Why are artists and creators so sensitive to online bitching

>>93112955
People live in the internet now and that is a good part of who they interact with. It doesn't help that people act like assholes most of the time when they give criticism.

>>93112955
Most artists, like most creative types, are very sensitive and have a very thin skin. That's the reason /co/ chased off literally every artist to ever come here with the exception of a few smut drawers like @$$.

>>93113131

Gonna agree with this post. Everyone's a dickhead and can't even fathom giving constructive criticism.

Also OPs image does make a point about sexualizing characters. I don't care if you're not hurting anyone with your "fetish". Think about what you're doing with yourself

>>93112955
When you create something, it's a bit like your baby, it's your creation, and when people criticize it it can really hurt.
It's different if you just do a job according to someone else's instructions and the end result is a bit shit because you were sloppy with it, but when it involves actual creating, like imagining up something new, it feels like when people say it's shit they say you're shit.

It's why so many artists become alcoholics. It's all more personal and stressful.

And of course some creatives never thickened their skin so that they could learn how to deal with criticism, sadly.

>>93115056
Most people that actually give a shit about their craft have a thick skin, since taking criticism is so important to getting better.

>>93115056
If you're talking about the Drawthreads, artists didn't leave purely because of criticism but because of a mountain of other reasons.
>Boring requests
>People who got deliveries asking for the same request from other drawfags
>A lot of requests were bordering on /aco/ and people wanting free smut

On top of those who yeah, were going, "This sucks, stop drawing for this thread".

They do it because they want other people in their business to praise them for making something they agree with, most creators really don't care about their fans and just want approval from the people they work with.

>>93115153
Humans have sexualized everything since we figured out it gave us pleasure. There's a ton of fetish-y statues in museums that are thousands of years old. What is really the difference between sexualizing a drawing of a horse in a kids cartoon and sexualizing a real horse in a sculpture?

>>93115265

There isn't. You shouldn't want to fuck a horse in the first place. Pretty seen lHorses don't want to be fucked by people

>>93115216
>erotic requests don't belong on /co/
Maybe not on this shitty Barney the Dinosaur happy-times kiddy web-forum this place turned into they don't. /aco/ was a mistake, blue boards were a mistake.

>>93115156
If you become an artist with the intent of showing people your work, I imagine audience reaction is a big part of your work and that you accept that. And yeah, people en masse saying it sucks would hurt, but isn't that the point? Isn't that like a comedian who gets no laughs becomes depressed for awhile but strives to do better? And if they don't, they just quit being a comedian because they can't hack that feeling of failure.

There are people who get criticism, disagree, get angry, and then say shit like, "I'm the creator, I don't owe you anything!" even though there's SUPPOSE to be a mutual relationship between the artist and the consumer. Without the artist the consumer would have nothing and without the consumer the artist would be nothing.

Otherwise, why bother showing people, just horde all your art, drawings, stories, and writing to yourself.

This is of course different from like, when a small minority bitches about the finale of a show even though the majority loved it, but then I have to wonder why is the creator so insecure the zone in on that small minority when they have a shit ton of fans that outnumber them?

It could be worse, you could criticize a critic since they are the most thin-skinned people alive.

>>93112955
This is the best representation of /co/ I've ever seen.

>>93115056
That probably has more to do with mods banning them.

>>93115563
I'm sure people know that you can't please everyone and you should learn from criticism, but that doesn't change that publishing your own creation is still making yourself vulnerable in a way that's very different to just following orders shittily.

Of course creators overreacting childishly are a bit juvenile and stupid, but nevertheless, the emotional vulnerability regarding your creation baby never really goes away. I know some successful career artists and all of them continue to be nervous over what people will think with every new piece they make. There are loads of hugely successful show artists who say they used to throw up before every performance for years. It's a part of doing creative stuff. When you create something, it's a part of you, and when it's criticized you're also being criticized. Not saying "don't criticize", but it makes it easier to understand why creatives overreact.

I'm sure a lot of people do indeed quit trying to make in creative fields because they find they can't deal with the nerve-wracking vulnerability and can't cope with the critique. It's a hard field. I couldn't do it. I have the skill, but I couldn't deal with that never-ending stress and putting myself out there like that.

OP, are you suggesting it's wrong to shame people who sexualize cartoon horses?

I should've known you guys were applefags

>>93115056
Coming from /ic/ the shit /co/ says in downright refreshing so I don't think that's the reason.

>>93112955
It's easier just to call critics trolls and haters than it is to improve or simply accept the fact that your work is flawed. Just ask /ic/

>>93112955
>Squalize me! I'm a cartoon horse!
i can't be the only one who sees that

>>93113131
/Thread

>>93115502
>Wanting every board to be porn dumps

/aco/ was a mistake and people need to stop being pussies still though

>>93120506
Early /co/ was fun and smutty without turning into a porn dump. I just want to go back to the way it was. Cartoon discussion and fresh 34 on the same board.

>>93112955
There's a lot of normies out there with tablet pens these days

>>93113131
>the internet
>people act like assholes
Why do so many people feed the trolls instead of just ignoring their posts and/or using a site's block/ignore/report/etc. functions?

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Faggots with thin skin would rather demonize everyone who doesn't suck their dick than be convinced they aren't amazing 100% of the time

>>93119746
>Sexualise

>>93121133
this

>>93121219
You're in samefag central and you ask that?
It doesn't matter if you don't feed the trolls; they'll feed themselves.

>>93112955
aval0nx is too busy trolling online finishing his damn comic like we promise

And also mentioning Pacifica to Alex Hirsch in a positive light would triggered him

>>93115177
Such as who?

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>>93122407
Hirsch gets angry at really simple things like fan questions. The guy comes across as a twat who doesn't know most of his audience is children.

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They're venting in the same way you're venting by making this thread.

>>93115474
>Pretty sure horses don't want to be fucked by people

That's not true, horses make moves on their owners all the time. Especially mares in heat.

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>>93112955
>artists being faggots

wowzers, who could have seen this one coming?

>>93121133
>ugh technology

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>>93113131
>It doesn't help that people act like assholes most of the time when they give criticism

This really can't be overstated enough. A lot of the time the line between constructive criticism and troll bait gets blurred and it's hard to figure out what you should actually take as advice. I can imagine constantly wading through insults for the sake of improving will take a toll on you no matter how thick-skinned you think you are.

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>>93112955
If my time on 4chan has taught me anything...

Is that fanbases are mostly full of idiots that have no idea on what they are talking about, how you create a story and its structures, and that most of the "fandon" are PATETHIC autistic neets that are way inferior to me.

4chan and tumblr showed me how patethic and stupid fanbases can be. They deserve to be shitted on.

>>93112955
>Why are artists and creators so sensitive to online bitching about their work to the point where they need to draw stuff like this?
Because it's getting worse and there's nothing worse than having your inbox be filled with nothing but bitching about the most stupidest of shit because a fandom is angry about how their fanfic wasn't reality or some other bullshit about how their drawing isn't "right" because of god knows why.

Thanks to social media fans and creators can talk to each other, often in real time, and most people are dumb.

On the converse side: why do you feel like your criticism should be taken seriously?

>>93115056
its hard to get under the skin of smut drawers because they've already lost all respect for themselves. See shadman

>>93112955
Story behind this pic pls

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>>93112955
>that image
>"I can't handle critique BAWWWW"
what a faggot

>"sexualize me! I'm a cartoon horse!"
well he's not wrong there. also my captcha was virgen blvd.

>>93126357
>boo hoo hoo the fanbase i'm apart of is giving CRITICISM! the humanity!

Is that you, Phil? Samurai Jack season 5 was terrible.

>>93127172
Nah, criticism can be good.

When given by 5%of the fanbase (and it can be pretty harsh criticism that say that everything is wrong). BUT the rest are usually just idiots.

You are probably among them.

But the issue about this speciphic type of person is that they NEVER take in consideration that they might not be part of these 5%.

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>>93127172
>Samurai Jack season 5 was terrible

Did I land in Bizarro world or something?

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>>93115153
>Think about what you're doing with yourself

I know pretty damn well what I'm doing to myself, thank you very much.

>>93115502
I remember this period of time around 2010 and 2012 where nobody gave a shit whether you posted porn on a blue board or not, so long as it didn't devolve into off-topic porn dumping. Boy, do I miss those days. It was still against the rules, but the mods weren't overly zealous about it.

>>93115216
>>People who got deliveries asking for the same request from other drawfags
This should be justifiable homicide right here and I don't even draw

No one is built to handle the attention of thousands or even millions of people. No one. And having a bunch of them gang up on you, even if you expect it to happen, is hard to go through. Yes, people need critique to get better, but there's a difference between giving constructive criticism and using someone's art as a punching bag. Doing nothing but bashing Dare I say, it's like when people justify fat-shaming by saying it encourages them to lose weight. This is why I don't go on /ic/.

And don't say "just don't go online". Fuck, you know as well as I do that 99% of communication between artists and their audience is done online, especially if you're not in art school. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

>>93112955
Few jobs require you to expose so much of yourself as the arts do. Having your art publicly eviscerated is a very personal attack. It's not something accountants or burger flippers face. Sure, it comes with the territory and professionals ought to learn to take it better or ignore it, but that's easy for us to say.

That said, maybe fans need to learn to take it as much they give. If you think this is offensive, you may be a bit thin-skinned too.

>>93115056
Nah. It's because those trolls are also most likely to apply to be janitors/mods, and ban artists. For some reason /co/ is a lot more puritanical than /a/ about this kind of stuff.

>>93123824
He does not sound angry, and he even said that people can draw whatever

>>93124581
all artists must be killed

>>93123485
they don't exist

>>93112955
>Me Dumb hat
Clever.

>>93112955
>Why are artists and creators so sensitive to online bitching about their work
Because negative word of mouth can ruin their careers
Even worse when it is over trivial shit like not supporting the right agenda or not making someone's fanfiction canon

Something tells me Andrew Dobson is a warning. Not just himself, but the people who attack him. (and I don't mean talking shit about him in 4chan, I mean like the water bottle guy.)

>>93135881
should have been acid

>>93135890

With the way Dobson's been handling it these days, yeah. It should have been acid in hindsight.

I actually felt sorry for him when he was attacked by the spray bottle, but then you read his twitter recently and all empathy goes out the fucking window. How does he do it?!

>>93112955
>me dumb
BUUUUUUUUUUUUUURN.


Who made this anyway?

>>93135928
being a liberal robs you of any positive human qualities

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>spend hours wading through garbage in the hopes that you'll find a useful comment
vs
>asking for comments and criticism from people you know and trust

there is literally no reason to read internet comments if you're an artist, complaining about them means you're willfully looking at them and it is therefore your fault

>>93135976

Dunno about that. He seems hated by practically everyone except a few trannies. And Moviebob.

>>93136007
>asking for comments and criticism from people you know and trust

but that's how you get a hugbox
and nothing kills any chance for improvement quite like a hugbox

>>93136010
>Dunno about that. He seems hated by practically everyone except a few trannies. And Moviebob.

I em pretty sure he has his own SJW fanbase fawning over him
Otherwise he'd never get such huge ego or become so notorious

I remember there used to be a time people used to like him unironically
he even worked as an artist for Screwattack

>>93136047

That's Moviebob you're thinking of.

Dobson used to work for Brentalfloss.

>>93136047

>but that's how you get a hugbox

Not if it's people you trust enough to give you legit criticism.

>>93134269

At some point the hatred simply becomes masturbatory. See the /doag/ or QC threads on this very board.

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>>93135976
>muh liberal boogeyman

Fuck off already, /pol/.

>>93115056
Actually, most artists have very thick skin. You can't survive (a good) art academy with thin skin because your teachers will tear your soul apart.

You want to see grown men and women cry? Go visit an art academy during the exams week.

As long as you work and get paid, why you should be concerned about negative comments on the internet.
The important thing is that they like at the boss/editor.

>>93136227
because bad word of mouth can ruin any chance of ever getting work gain

>>93136304

>neckbeards on the internet bitching about how the show isn't like their fanficition will ruin your career

no

>>93136923

Depends on the neckbeards. If they are persistent enough, they might do some damage.

Chances are higher if they are legbeards and/or transexuals.

the fact that this is even a question is pathetic especially knowing that the majority of /co/ can't create anything worth shit.

>>93112955
>Why are artists and creators so sensitive
Are you retarded?

>>93137373
>>93136304
Name a time that has happened in the animation or comic industry.

>>93123824
That doesn't sound angry at all.

>>93138161
It. Was. A. Joke.

Sounds impatient to me.

>>93138008

Well we had the incident with fan giving an artist a cookie with a hidden needle.

https://mobile.twitter.com/dansgaming/status/862510447865380864?lang=en

We also nearly had a guy shoot up a con while pretending to be the Punisher wanting to kill Jason Frank.

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/arts/phoenix-comicon-gunman-matthew-sterling-punisher-jason-david-frank-9363877

We have some seriously deranged and obsessive people lurking in Fandoms more than ever now, more likely to blow up and take as many with them as they can.

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>>93115156

>tfw new write/smutfag
>barely any replies, all positive or constructive but your shit gets views.
>Haven't been called a retard yet so presumably they like it.

It's been pretty fun, I'm already 4.5 pages into a new one since friday, while writing a new chapter of another one in parallell. Hopefully people will like both

>>93138274
The "Misery" obsessed fan is nothing new, though. But that doesn't mean those people lost their jobs as a result of talking to fans. I was under the impression that there were instances where artists had gotten tons of negative feedback from fans and as a result, got fired from the studio, not actual attempts on their life.

>>93127100
>everyone that disagrees with me is a brony that looks at mlp porn
he is wrong by virtue of strawman

>>93112955
They have pride in the work, it's really that simple. I don't get why this is a hard concept.

>>93138834
The pic doesnt say everyone, its aimed at an speciphic kind.

>>93127100

>Not getting the bullshit select every vehicle/streetsign captchas that never fucking work.

Tell me your secrets anon

>>93134269
>people justify fat-shaming
there is literally nothing wrong with fat-shaming

>>93129818
Those were the good times. I still remember them fondly. I would literally prefer an non-moderated /co/ to the castrated board we have now.

>>93139911
it's so brave to make fun of people while anonymous, isn't it?
go ahead, let us see what you look like

>>93139965
It's so brave to call someone out anonymously, isn't it?
Go ahead, try to white knight in person, let's see how fast you back down.

>>93139965
t. insecure fattie

>>93139911
Dude, take it from a fat guy like myself. Some fat is ok but if it's to the point where it starts to hinder your mobility, it's time for a change in food choices.

Because artists need to realize that the difference between them and a dancing monkey at a street fair is that the monkey is guaranteed a piece of bread and shelter.

Seriously, they're here for our entertainment. Like, yeah, maybe .00000001% of them are capable of True Art, which acts as a mirror for our society. But the overwhelming majority of artists are just craftsmen who craft entertainment. And the sooner they understand that, the sooner they'll grow to either kill themselves, or do their jobs of being entertaining.

Now dance, monkey, dance!

>>93127100

What's wrong with masturbating to cartoon horses? It's not like your dick can tell the difference.

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>>93139911

>>93135928

Wait, what did the "man" say recently?

>>93140461
>fat guy at the gym
at least he is trying/ attempting to lose weight
next time try to catch him at mcdonalds

>>93112955
Because you fucks show up, shit on people who like things, ruin communities, make everything needlessly hostile, and generally chase off the people with jobs and money.

>>93140547
Yeah, that's when it's literally that person is just being an asshole, not trying to humiliate someone into changing themselves for the better. Which you know, is what living in a society or a group environment is suppose to do to keep people from being disgusting and weird.

>>93140461
What is Milo doing at a gym?

>>93138205
>completely change the sentence by replacing fucking claps with full stops
>b-but that's what he said! basically..
bloody retard

People who make cartoons always seem bitter and resentful for some reason.

>>93140825
On the hunt for red-pilled cock to dom his faggot ass.

>>93140635
>trying to humiliate someone into changing themselves for the better

You know damn well that's NEVER the case. No one buys the "I only called him a disgusting lard whale because I'm concerned about his health" excuse.

>>93140635
>trying to humiliate someone into changing themselves for the better.
You're a real moron if you think that anyone actually does this.

>>93112955
A lot of them draw stuff and put it online seeking validation and circle-jerking, so anything that doesn't acknowledge them as a god among men hurts their precious feelings.

That's only American artists and creators, the Japanese on the other hand quite literally give zero fucks about what anyone has to say

>>93140988
How the fuck does that change the sentence? If anything, it makes it sound worse. Try saying that sentence out loud while clapping after every word. It's even more condescending.

>>93141152
>>93141125
It's true, in middle school I was a fatass and got shit for it daily. I got tired of it and I finally focused on self improvement and now I look/feel a lot better. This is why I bully fat people, I know they can improve to if they would just have a reason to.

>>93141125
>>93141152
>Being this literal
No, that isn't the thought process when someone is doing it, but that is what happens. Humiliation isn't done out of people's motivation to make you want to be better, humiliation leads to the result of wanting to be what your peers deem as regular.

And yeah, group interaction is a pretty fucking big deal among humans. It's entirely how we shape our behavior.

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>Expecting actual constructive criticism online
If you want real tips on how to make a better cartoon, you get someone who's drawn them before, not random people on the internet. Anyone can post "This fucking sucks" without watching it, or having any experience with making cartoons, and the artist believes that said person is an expert on the matter.

Going to the internet for constructive criticism is like going to a 2 year old for life advice.

>>93141422
I think all you did was rephrase OP's post.

>>93141459
Oh.
Disregard what I said then, I suck cocks.

>>93141367
>condescending means you're angry
No, retard.

>>93141480
It's still a negative attitude to have towards a person. Hirsch is still being an asshole to his actual children or teenage fans who are posting to him on Twitter. Just because he isn't seething with rage doesn't negate that.

>>93141479
It's okay anon, sometimes it's nice to re-establish the thread to avoid going into the morals of fat-shaming derails.

>>93141391
Do you have any sources to support that humiliation leads to self improvment? I've seen and heard the opposite, mostly. If being made fun of makes people normal 4chan wouldn't exist.

>>93141554
No, there's no scientific evidence outside of psychological studies of the effects of being in a group to prove the effects of humiliation. You just have to leave your house once in awhile to actually see that sometimes, some people might respond to being embarrassed while others may not. Just like criticism.

Have you never been embarrassed enough by something to never want to do it again or something? It's those feelings that often drive people to wear nice clothes during a formal event rather than walk around in sweatpants because they don't want to be the odd man out that people roll their eyes at.

>>93141554
>humiliation will humiliate people
>SOOUUUURCE

christ, not everything has a fucking wiki tagnote.

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You would know why if you ever made anything...

Basically it's because artists care about what the audience thinks about their work. If they didn't they wouldn't put it out there at all; in most cases they would just keep all their art to themselves.

When you care about someone and what they have to say, if they talk shit about you or what you've made it can really effect you. This happens because you take what they say seriously and use it as a reflection of who you are as a person.

So when it comes to artists and vitriol they might handle from certain fans, they will generally do one of two things; they will either take these types of fans seriously and develop psychological issues as a result, or see them for the fools they are and relentlessly mock or ignore them.

However sometimes this can cause issues when it comes to legitimate criticism; Tom Preston is a good case of this. But there will also come a time where you may receive hate comments from people who really have no idea what they're doing, and in that situation the only healthy thing to do is laugh.

>>93141637
>>93141653
If I called you retards for not being able to provide
basic support for your beliefs, would you stop being retards?

>>93115177
There's a difference between "You really need to work on your dynamism and sense of perspective" and "Your work is garbage". The former is helpful, the latter is just discouraging.

>>93112955
Animators should be directing their anger at Disney for giving them no budget to work with.

>>93141792
you're asking for a source on how sometimes a person might want to get skinny after being called fat enough times

it's fucking stupid

it's like asking for a source on how a person who burns their hand might never touch the hot thing again, you really need a source for that shit? are you a fucking robot?

>>93115216
drawfag here, I left mostly because of the requests. 99% of them are just cheesecake, not that cheesecake its bad, its just that you get bored of every single post being "X character dresses in X skimpy clothing"

>>93135740
>>93138161
>>93140988
If he wasn't trying to be an absolute asshole, then he wouldn't have added claps in between each word like a dipshit.

>>93141776
I think it really just boils down to first poster: >>93113131

Internet is still a new thing for humanity and it's an overwhelming thing that I don't think we are even capable of handling. Like, I don't think we're physically meant to endure the opinions of hundreds to thousands of people at once on a daily or weekly basis and it gets to people. Especially to people who grew up with the internet, have become dependent on it, and now spend more time on it rather than socializing. They don't have a proper social life so they depend on this, so people will amplify the criticisms they hear and get into a constant fight or flight mode emotionally.

People really should just learn to either be on the internet sparingly or otherwise don't engage in these people on a regular basis. And for some people, that just isn't possible unless they flat out delete their Twitter or Tumblr accounts. And if that's what it takes, then do it.

Personally, that's why I highly prefer 4chan. I can leave whenever because I never "joined" to begin with. I never feel personally attacked if someone calls me a faggot. No one knows who anyone is, threads get archived rather fast depending on the board, and there's no, "People message you one year later about a comment you made" shit because it's all anonymous account-less posting.

>>93112955
>sexualize me, I'm a cartoon horse!
Sounds like great advice to me.

>>93141866
It's hard to believe that you're this stupid.

Here, I googled "fat shaming effects" and this was the first result.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/29/fat-shaming-actually-makes-peoples-health-worse-study-pennsylvania/

>unironically using the phrase fat shaming
Thread's gone. tumblr has arrived. Everyone go home.

>>93142098
don't worry, I'm sure now that you've picked a study that. confirms your view, you'll completely ignore every other factor like how most of these studies are controlled, are specifically phrased and made to be marketable because the people doing these need grants and a way to make money off their findings, and you'll also ignore how every couple of years, studies, ESPECIALLY psychological studies, are labelled as now incorrect and they have to backpedal previous findings with new findings.

hey fattie, i heard chocolate helps you lose weight. better fucking chow down.

faggots like you who scream SOOOUUURCE over the most basic of shit that you can examine with your eyes if you interacted with more than your mother once in awhile are the fucking worse. especially when you actually think studies on the psyche are in any way definitive information.

>>93142202

So basically you feel like you're right therefore you are right. Great argument.

>>93112955
I want to sexualise that cartoon horse.

>>93142249
and you feel like cuz science said so, you're definitely right. no need to leave the house or learn from social experiences when articles on SCIENCE can just tell me how the outside world works!

hey did you know there's also science reports that proves god exists and that global warming is a myth? better follow that shit cause science said so. don't consider the factors into making that report, just know some article said so.

>>93115056
Most artists have better things to do than hang around with cunts all day. I don't get why you people like to think your shit don't stink. Drawthreads are filled with people like Speedy who keep requesting the same shit every day and have no problem shitting all over the people doing them favors. It's not thin skin, it's not being retarded.

>>93142098
http://www.breitbart.com/milo/2016/07/05/fat-shaming-is-good-science/

>>93142202
So you're saying that we should ignore research and just model our society based on your feelings?

>>93142275
Do it you fucking faggot. Burn this thread to the ground with flaming horse porn faggotry. It's unsalvageable.

>>93142328
Not a credible source.

>>93142335
Not to throw my hat into your internet fight here, but, there's "research" saying that circumcision prevents STDs in Africa.

Then again, their method was to take two very small groups of people, give one of them circumcisions, sexual education on how STDs are spread, condoms, and counseling and give the other group absolutely nothing. And then on top of that there were VERY few people who actually followed up afterwards.

But hey. PROOF POSITIVE.

>>93142335
if you're retarded enough to use that as the takeaway no wonder you blindly follow articles

it's to realize that a "study" is not concrete info and to realize the trends of people who do these studies, to take into consideration how these studies are formed, who the people behind it are after, what are their motivations, whether or not they skew info to purposely be marketable, and realize most of these studies change in answer every years to even months according to what the public wants to hear

all of which probably flies right over your fucking head because it's not the first search result on google. actually do some research beyond a single link and actually listen to the people who do these studies talk and understand how much of a controlled environment and how much they try to make their studies sound sellable when most info that comes out of it is useless is.

>>93142380
or just be a cunt and say "my source is right, your source is wrong" like the faggot you are. continue to be a SOUUUUURCE cunt who just only listens to his own feefees instead cause it confirms what you think is right. keep acting like your fucking media "telegraph" source is somehow more credible than any other generic media outlet.

>>93142380
Is this credible then?
http://online.liebertpub.com/doi/abs/10.1089/chi.2014.0062

>>93142328
This article linked to two papers as "proof"

All that the first paper says is that people lose weight out of a desire to improve self worth. This says absolutely nothing about the medical effects of bullying.

The second paper is just someone recommending the possibility of using social pressure to cause weight loss. It is 't an actual study, just a suggestion. Even then, the examples of "social pressure" given are nothing like bullying or humiliation.

It's amazing that you think this is somehow a better source than an actual medical study.

>>93142356
I don't have horseporn with me any more.

>tfw you fell for the degenerate meme

>>93142576
Why aren't you responding to any of these other posts?
>>93142532
>>93142465

>>93142578

Everyone is a degenerate anon, even your mum.

Especially your mum

>>93142626
Because I can't reply to everything at once? I'm trying, and you should be thankful for that considering how poor your arguments are.

>>93142656
Well when you're arguing that you want people to stop fat-shaming on 4chan of all places, we gotta assume you're pretty pathetic to begin with and have nothing better to do already. I don't know what level of high caliber arguments you expected from here.

>>93142465
How is this relevant at all?

I don't know how many I'm replying to, but all you're doing is trying to dismiss the idea of studies in general, rather than arguing against the one I actually posted.
>>93142532
Just from the abstract, doesn't this support my argument? I can't even read the full text.

>>93142532
That's credible, butthe results of that paper don't support your claim that fat shaming is good.

>OP asking why are artists sensitive
>Thread turns into fatties sensitive about fat shaming

Who am I kidding? Everyone in this thread is probably fatter than the fatass in OP's pic.

>>93142683
Are you insulting me for expecting you to show normal intelligence?

>>93142656
Those two posts were made by someone else (me) and as I said, I'm not particularly vested in getting in your argument, but just wanted to point out that you sometimes have to look into certain studies and how they're carried out.

Mostly I just hate that particular study I mentioned. It was really really poorly conducted and had a poor sample size overall. I could go on and on but I had a bone to pick.

>>93142784
I'm insulting you for thinking this is actually a proper place to debate and the more you go on about having high expectations on 4chan, the more of a patronizing douche you look.

I don't even disagree with you and I find myself wanting to because of how annoying you're sounding.

>>93142817
I'm sorry that my mean sourced arguments hurt your feeling

>>93141942
Isn't that just some twitter meme though?

>>93142920
Lol you've already won whatever anon fight you're having dude, just quit while you're ahead. I'm not even the one who said shit about sources.

Who is this dedicated to an e-fight that they piss on everyone standing in their path?

>>93115216
man, i want to try drawing things for drawthreads, and while i know i could handle a "eh, it needs work." or a "kinda shit, keep at it." i have a feeling a "this sucks. stop drawing" would break me.
i know because it did once before.

I think its time to retire gr15 and replace it with anyone who uses the term Fat Shaming unironically to get a one day ban.

>>93142810

>moving goalposts: the post

Why don't you lose some weight instead, fatty.

>>93142920
>sourced arguments
>breitbart

lol

>>93143024
Are you sure you quoted the right post?

>>93143025
I think anyone trying to find "credible sources" about fat shaming is an oxymoron.

All this new terminology is just giving more labels to, "People who get depressed easily".

>>93143043

Yes. The claim of "lol i dont even care about teh argument" generally means the person is butthurt.

Then again, I'm here to insult artists and start shit, so I win no matter what.

>>93143008
Pfft, I did that once in a /tg/ thread. Posted a fantasy D&D character that was also cheesecake.

People got triggered because I was looking for feedback, not posting somebody's OC that they requested. When I pointed out it was a drawthread not a request thread they all had a total autistic blowout and started attacking my art in nonsensical petty ways, even though it was better than the chicken scratch OCs they were all delivering.

>>93143024
>>93143025
Okay we're getting to the point where nobody even knows what posts are on which side.

>>93143063
Well aren't you saying you aren't here to argue or care either?

>>93112955
Artists are almost as insecure and needy as comedians.

>>93143083

I guess I got under your skin, fatty.

>>93143117
Hey stupid I'm not the one arguing against fat-shaming.

>>93143068
im really unsure on it, since, you know, i feel im decent but im also really unhappy with it.
it doesnt help that my options are the mouse in mspaint, or pencil and no scanner

>>93143068
I've gotten a day ban before for delivering requests in draw threads to posts that were deleted by mods. But because I did not update the thread while drawing the picture, I had replied to it not knowing it was a deleted post.

There's something about the draw threads that attracts the worst of everyone, both posters and mods. It didn't used to be so scrutinized on /co/, too. I was pretty laid back then at some point, everything became flavor of the month and heavily moderated to those threads specifically. Hell, I've gotten warnings for making Drawthreads when the last one hit a bump and was on page 9 and literally just a couple of bumps away from being on page 10.

>>93143146

If somebody who knows what they're doing gives you critique, you'll know it because it will be both valid and it will be information that you can actually work with to get better.

If somebody just says "it's shit" then they can be ignored. Very few people on 4chan have the capability to judge art, let alone give advice.

>>93143146

So, what you're doing is blaming the tools, rather than your lack of skill?

>>93143189
>attracts the worst of everyone
it sort of makes sense. someone with an idea and no execution skills can be insufferable, and a whole bunch of them in one place is a guaranteed mess.

>>93143189
Yeah things used to be better on 4chan. Now drawthreads are safe spaces for special snowflakes. It all started about the time they banned ponies.

>>93143234
no, im saying that my skill level is not high enough to gleam quality work from those tools.

>>93143267
glean.

>>93115563
Basically if you're a creator and you make one thing good enough that's generally praised. You can just pump out dog shit and no one will ever call you out on it if you can keep up a stream of mediocrity.

People still praise John K despite him being a hack.

>>93143285
oops.

>>93143328
Well I'm not sure if glean is the word you want to use either but it's ok you got the point across.

>>93115216
I agree. I gave up on draw threads because of muh-waifu-a-lewd requests and I drew some /tg/ fucks special snowflake D&D character and they came back immediately the next day to request it again. It doesn't help that responses are either "Nice, thanks!" or worthless "that's bad and you should feel bad" type "criticism." Its nearly impossible to get actionable feedback.

>>93141835
>The former is helpful, the latter is just discouraging.

More like: "The former is helpful. The latter is just 4chan."

>>93143383
>that responses are either "Nice, thanks!" or worthless "that's bad and you should feel bad" type "criticism." Its nearly impossible to get actionable feedback.
In fairness, if you're getting a request from someone who can't draw, they can't really help you with feedback very much.

>>93143267

All right, so git gud, scrublord faggot.

>>93139054
>Settings
>legacy captcha

you're welcome

I make pretty mediocre and harmless stuff so i don't get much criticism or hate mail, and usually i don't take it very personally. I get tons of snarky comments, but i realized it's just that people on the internet likes to be a smart-asses, and i think they are not intent to be malicious. It's kinda good thought that it's the art that gets shit on, artist can still hide behind creation. Must be hell for Youtubers though.

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>>93143727

Of Course!

>>93129818

I miss those days. Cheesecake threads were great without faggot mods stopping everyone's fun.

>>93129818
But everything changed when the horsefuckers attacked.

>>93143068
Post your work pls.

>>93115056
Actually my problem is that anons aren't mean enough. They're such giant ass kissers I might as well post my art on deviantart.
God forbid you give another artist a critique. The mystylefags come out in droves when you point out broken anatomy.

>>93145646
What if people genuinely like it?

>>93145670
Then just say what you like about the picture and maybe thanks if it was for you. Going on long winded dick sucking tangents is worthless.

>>93145926
Ok.
Don't usually go to drawthreads though.

>>93143383
>Its nearly impossible to get actionable feedback.

I fucking hate this as an artist, I showed a friend a picture I was working on and got "Lookin good!" so I finished it up and posted it. Days later I realize there were some serious problems with the image that I wasn't seeing and could have been fixed if people could just tell me when I've done something wrong.

>>93146387

Also I should mention I specifically asked him to look at it and tell me if he thought anything needed fixing, not just "hey I'm working on this."

>>93112955
It's weird that the thing bugging me the most is how far up his legs are dangling from the floor.

>>93118859
That's /ic/'s entire purpose. Why post your work for critique if you aren't ready to handle criticism? If it's not constructive, then rule of thumb is to ignore it. /co/ is for discussing/bitching about cartoons and capes.

>>93140413
Just because your dick has shitty taste doesn't mean you have to bring everyone else down.

Because artists need to realize that the difference between them and a dancing monkey at a street fair is that the monkey is guaranteed a piece of bread and shelter.

Seriously, they're here for our entertainment. Like, yeah, maybe .00000001% of them are capable of True Art, which acts as a mirror for our society. But the overwhelming majority of artists are just craftsmen who craft entertainment. And the sooner they understand that, the sooner they'll grow to either kill themselves, or do their jobs of being entertaining.

Now dance, monkey, dance!

>>93140825
Gyms are where gay men scout the talent and hookup. This is like faggotry 101.

>>93147248
Yeah but at most commercial gyms, people under 18 need to be accompanied by an adult, so Milo would more likely go to playgrounds or skateparks for that.

>>93145470
nah

I dunno OP why are you so thin skinned that this image offends you? Can't you just brush it off?

>>93141516
Hirsch doesn't deserve to live, honestly.

>>93147198
Where's my bread and shelter?

>>93141653
Anon didn't say that at all, you dumb faggot.

>>93112955
Why were you so butthurt over this that you created an anonymous thread on a message board?

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>>93136190
>going to an art academy.
Well, that's the first mistake right there.

>>93142578
You motherfucker. You could've saved/killed this thread!

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>>93115216
>>93133856

>>93112955
i have no fucking idea

but, some people aren't being fucking constructive at all, they are just being assholes.

there is a line between criticism and asshole

>>93147342
You really think making a thread which takes two seconds is comparable to actually drawing a picture and uploading it online?

>>93147812
>some guys with hands growing out of his anus "fulfills" your request with a delivery that would have been laughed out of deviantart
>fuck off anon, your request got fulfilled
I got half a mind to open up MSP and "fulfill" the request of every faggot ITT.

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>>93112955
>Need to sexualize the cartoon horse intensifies

I am an artist and , to date, I have yet to know one of these "thin skin artists" you're talking about. All of my colleages and me have been through teachers, editors, critics and angry fans alike...we don't need a thick skin because WE DON'T HAVE A SKIN, the negative pass through and we take notes on what we made wrong, fix it and get better at our craft as much as our technical level allows.

I don't know what these negative events you may have experienced, but be sure that you can overcome it with effort and a steady pulse, the rest of us are waiting for you!

GAMBARE!

>>93148266
The requesters are getting free fucking art to begin with and it's usually just smut or lewds. Anus doodles should be the level of quality they expect for free. The fact that some people even put effort into their deliveries is a godsend.

>>93148449
>5 HOURS LATER...

>>93148453
It's a bit better over on /trash/, the only thing I see requesters get a bit miffed is when they get a paper and pencil delivery.

>>93113131
would you rather
>A shit load of wanna be critics
>A ton of shitposters whose opinions can be overlooked
if your in any entertainment business than you ignore a good deal of critics and not bitch about how people are talking about your media, positive or negative. Its not hard and anyone who says otherwise needs to change fields.

>>93147291
>I just made up the story about my awesome art being torn apart by petty fa/tg/uys
Nice to know.

>>93129818
i remember when we didn't have blue boards at all

>>93147198
Is this some fresh new copypasta?

people like in the OP image are very real and very easy to spot.
they deserve to be made fun of
no one's going to draw an image of someone giving raw brutal criticism