DC comics continuity

>>93097506
Honestly it was stupid of them to get rid of the Multiverse in the 80's since they ended up doing Elseworlds anyway.

But the good thing that came about was the idea of the Justice Society being around in the 40's and the Justice League being around in the modern day. It felt like there was an extended history and I think it improved Flash especially since Barry died and Wally became the then-current Flash.

And yet, this is all easier to understand than Marvel.

>>93097695
Well that's just not true, Marvel has had the same main universe since its inception along with other constant important other universes.
It's definitely not more complex, but whether or not it's better is up for debate considering they keeping needing to retcon everyone's origin story every few decades what with time just sliding past everyone.

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>>93097506

>>93097745
nope xmen

>>93097745
I think this was true until 2000. Then after Quesada took over there was like increasing inconsistency and the feeling like none of it mattered.

>>93097506
>New 52 gives all the characters new origins
>It also chose to pick out specefic stories and said they all happened within five years somehow
>Rebirth reintroduces even more old continuity while still continuing the new 52
>And somehow Doctor Manhattan, a character who was never part of the DC canon before and was created because DC didn't want Alan Moore fucking up Captain Atom before they introduced him to the canon, played a part in all of this
Sorta, basically its still the same post-CoIE continuity we have had up through Final Crisis, just Manhattan or someone fucked with everyone's memories and tried to erase the old timeline stuff, but its all coming back.


Think of New 52 like it WAS going to be a multiverse reboot, but now its slowly undoing itself and re-establishing the post-CoIE continuity again.

>>93097612
That's great, has it been updated for Rebirth or are you waiting ten years when there's three more events to add?

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>>93097865
... Alright... I'm not sure how that explains the new origins though. Did Harley's skin get bleached after she used make up for years and she just thinks it was always bleached during her time as a villain?

>>93097506
>"avoid the multiverse from now on"
See, the problem with that is that's super fucking boring. Parallel worlds and timelines make for fun stories.

Also, you fail to note that Green Lantern is currently the biggest continuity snafu, somehow having pre-Crisis, post-Crisis, post-Zero Hour, post-Infinite Crisis, post-Final Crisis, nu52, and Rebirth as part of continuity.

>>93097506
>That just opened up even more problems, like what fucking planet Hawkman came from

No, Hawkman was fine until they did Hawkworld and decided the story took place in the then present.

>>93097779
The X-Men story has a clear start and present. It doesn't have any continuity resets like DC, where characters have multiple origins and you don't even know what's canon anymore. All the stories happened in the order they were published. Same with all Marvel. The only notable exception may be Spider-Man and his marriage.

So when's the next "crisis"?

>>93098298
these are lies

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>>93098298
do you kiss your mother with that lying mouth of yours?

>>93098298
wew lad
>>93098302
Never.
>FINAL Crisis

>>93098359
>Never.

Previous Crisis
Past Crisis
Secret Crisis

>>93098400
Bubblegum Crisis

>>93097814
This.
DC's history may seem pretty convoluted with all their crises rebooting things but they at least space those out a few years.
Marvel has an event that will "change everything forever" ever couple of months.

>>93098302
>>93098359
>>93098400
Thanks to the magic of Convergence there were never any Crises. Now the next one will be the first.

>>93098946
Convergence never happened in the new merged Superman history.

>>93098115
that shit is unclear, but im pretty sure by the end of rebirth all the new 52 origins will be retconned out.


They already started it with Superman Reborn and The Button.

>Flashpoint wasn't called a Crisis
>convergence wasn't called a crisis
>rebirth isn't called a crisis

REEEEEEEE, why did morrison have to name his story FINAL CRISIS instead of HYPERCRISIS

>>93099080
It seems more likely that it'll be post-CoIE history with several small additions of new 52. A cluster fuck of history, but one I like a lot.

>>93098190
Can you give a quick rundown of Green Lanterns continuity?

>>93099360
Rebirth is a relaunching initiative not an "event". How would that make any sense?

Anon, having a multiverse is too tempting because it gives writers the commodity of writing out of continuity stories without being labeled non canon.

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>>93098302
>Hypercrisis
Its kind of a joke between readers but there have been several issues of "Multiversity" that hinted at it, and Geoff Johns & Grant morrison love meta stories.
>boils down to Optimistic comics (Golden/Silver Age style) vs Cynical grim comics (90s/2000s style).
Optimist stories and escapism let you leave behind bad thoughts n emotions, but Cynicism and grimdark stories propogate them making those feelings worse.
>People say Watchmen & DKR selling well ushered in Grim Dark stories.
Now they LITERALLY will have made the heroes lives darker (tearing away years for New52).

The big question is WHY Manhattan did it, tying back to Multiversity "Ultra Comics" & "Pax Americana"
>assuming Manhattan is aware of the reader, like in those issues, he also knows about "The Gentry", some...thing that infects readers with harmful thoughts & depression THROUGH comics, which would stop readers buying books, and books being cancelled is a multiverse (publisher) dying.

>Manhattan made comics darker and darker to lure "The Gentry" so it could be defeated by the heroes, restoring optimism to comics and their readers.

>>93099836
>>assuming Manhattan is aware of the reader, like in those issues
That wasn't Manhattan.

>>93099486
>billions of years ago Volthoom arrived from another dimension
>met Guardians and worked with them
>Volthoom becomes the first lantern
>goes nuts and sealed away
>Guardians invent green lantern rings but don't make a corp (ongoing story details to come)
>Guardians try policing universe with robots, Manhunters
>Manhunters decide to kill all life
>destroy an entire sector
>Guardians scrap them
>decide to do willpower lantern corp
That's about it for Green Lanterns. There's stories and adventures in between but that's basically it until you get to other lantern corps.

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>>93099859
Manhattan is a version of them, same powers and perspective. Literally the same appearance.

REALLY dude.

>>93099863
Thanks dude, this actually helps.

So the Guardians made their first rings out of Volthooms ride into our universe?

>>93098810
That's not what he means. He means marvel can tend to ignore small tibits as they never existed. Or overwrite stuff. Bendis is guilty of that, his Nova in cancerverse is different than what happended in the comic.

Bruce jones was told to ignorge old hulks old runs and called doc samson as sampson instead.

Modern Marvel is loose canon mostly for certain characters. They also retroactively insert in characters, who Galactus is aware of.

>>93100014
Yeah, they're jerks like that.

Rebirth is slowly reverting more and more elements to the pre-New 52
Superman, Hawkman, Doctor Fate, Jay Garrick, and Batman all being established as having their Pre-Flashpoint outfits at some point in history, for example.

>>93100339
Carter Hall and Nu52 Katar Hol are now two seperate characters.

I haven't seen BatMan in any old costume so eh

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>>93100453
We see the trunks suit in the background here.

>>93100049
Fair enough but my point still stands.

Look at these events >>93097506 and think about how years in between them there are (admittedly the time does decrease between them).

Marvel for just over the past decade have had big game changing events yearly.

>>93099959
Adam Allen is not Manhattan.
He's what Manhattan would be if he had kept ahold of his humanity.

That's like saying that Superman and Ultraman are the same person.
True on one level, wrong on so many others.

>>93101917
Literally the same people- Different CHARACTER(ization)

>>93102190
That means same powers. I love that THIS is the hill ya cant get over, so I appreciate your agreeing with everything else.