Batman #24 Storytime

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>>93040072

>>93040129
>No
way to shit on your dads final wish

>>93040176

I hate this characterization for Bruce. I get that King is pushing it because the character eventually will have to learn "to be just Bruce", but i still dislike it. For example i hated how he wrote Bruce and Selina as two furries that killed their previous lives.

>some crazy mary sue thot telling batman its ok to be scared

what the fuck why are they letting king ruin batman more than snyders did

>>93040251
>Cat
>Bat
stop for the love of god stop this

>>93040272
will you stop bitching and either read it or don't

>>93040274
So fuck Talia I guess. They really going the route that Bruce never cared about her.

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While the final page getting CWII Hulk'd sucks, I appreciate that they credited Finch for the art on the header for the USAToday article.

I'm starting to like King's Batman it wasn't what I want it from him. I wanted more stand alone stories like Swamp Thing one, while he is more interested in doing a character study of Batman. 24 issues it's just too long for some progress.

>>93040283
>using actual names
fucking finally
>>93040285
no.

>>93040288
why would he care about his rapist

>>93040293
this was "muh shocking page"

fucking off yourself king, everybody saw this coming and your dialogue is bendis tier

>>93040058
Thanks for the storytime!

>>93040293
Helena Wayne in the way.

>>93040308
You seem upset.

>>93040293
Come on I like that pairing. Let them have that. Honestly they are good for each other.

>>93040319
Batman doesnt even care about Damian. Why would he get another kid?

>>93040288

Catwoman is being pushed in the story as the first and only true love. The only one that understand and accept Batman for what he is. Fuck the rest of his love interests and the Bat-Family. Nobody else gets Batman. Only Catwoman. She's the alpha and the omega.

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Green Lanterns: >>93040036
Superman: >>93040003

Huh, usually I storytime them all.

>>93040293
Helena Rute Confirmed.

>>93040129
This is some good Finch.
Nice to see some morning Bats

>>93040288

DC hates Talia now.

>>93040332
>Catwoman is being pushed in the story as the first and only true love. The only one that understand and accept Batman for what he is. Fuck the rest of his love interests and the Bat-Family. Nobody else gets Batman. Only Catwoman. She's the alpha and the omega.
this has always been true. always

How does Helena Wayne work in a world where we already have a Huntress?

>>93040332
This.

>>93040331
Nobody gives a shit about Damian. Not evev Morrison his only purpose was to die. Even Damifag hates him.

>>93040340
Gotham Girl pages are drawn by Clay Mann.

>>93040337

Batman's mixed kid being replaced by a white kid would drive people mad.

>>93040354
as a babby

>>93040306
then next time at least save it til the end of the dump, some of us just want to read it. it's bad enough it was spoiled beforehand. bitching isn't going to make snyder go back in time and rewrite it better.

>>93040367
It would be interesting if she just grows up as a normal girl and doesn't get into family business.

>>93040288
Talia's always been shit.

>>93040229
what? that never happened you are reaching big time

>>93040288
>So fuck Talia I guess. They really going the route that Bruce never cared about her.
>caring about a rapist
>ever

>>93040386

I agree with this. It would be the best route honestly.

>>93040288
>So fuck Talia I guess.
Pretty much, yeah. No one cares about her.

>>93040194
>I do this to be happy, not to help others or to fix this place
>turning Batman work into just a selfish quest

yeah, fuck King

>>93040367

I think Cass fans will fell the butthurt first. She was the first Daughter Bruce had and now she isnt jackshit.

>>93040323
king's run on batman is terrible
snyder's run is terrible
tynion's run is mediocre and only saved by clayface, but has too much batwoman father bullshit

bruce is only good in non-bat books like when based priest writes him or even in jla interacting with lobo

>>93040288
Morrison destroyed Talia with no hope for redemption, no way she can be anything more than a villain now

>>93040263
i like that pre crisis/post crisis running gag.

>>93040293
Isn't she a mass murderer now?

>>93040093
>>93040113
this is a great example why every step of the art are important, every page was drawn by Finch and coloured by Bellaire, the only difference are the inkers

I prefer Manns' inks in this issue

>>93040251
This calling eachother Bat and Cat thing will never not sound awkward to me.

>>93040288

Does Talia even love Bruce still?

>>93040434
no the dyke catwoman is.

Wonder if they'll bring in Bruce/Selina to the DCEU. Seems to push the human relationships more which I'm glad. Trinity shipping isn't the best.

>>93040434
No, that wasn't even that long ago, just go read it.

>>93040416
Talia has always been a bitchy daddy's girl. Even before Morrison got a hold of her.

>>93040435
>every page was drawn by Finch
No, read the credits section again.

>>93040348

Nah. Catwoman only started being pushed as a love interest with the 60s. Before she was the villainess Batman would catch and put away. Even then Batman would have other love interests like Vicky Valley, Talia al Ghul, Nocturna and so on.

And Catwoman being the only one who understand and accept Batman is a load of bullshit. Catwoman's an amoral and selfish thief that steal and fight for the thrill of the danger and to suit herself. Sure, sometimes she's shown as a compassionate soul that care for poor people and only steal from black market art dealers, like a modern day Robin Hood, but that's not her usual character and only became a recent thing with Brubaker because he was trying to make her work as a heroine. Even then King's very run showed that Catwoman didn't even knew what Batman did on his day-to-day basis and wondered what he did for fun. So how the fuck she understand him? Other than the whole furry thing.

Nah, the Bat-Family: Alfred, Dick, Tim, Barbara, Cass, and so on. Even Jason and Damian. These people understand and accept Batman for who he is. Not Catwoman.

But i understand what King is trying to do. He has to sell this romance as the most important and big aspect of Batman's live, because everything rest on Bruce giving up the other most important aspect of his life for it. So he has to sell their connection as if it was almost life a life support for Bruce.

> Be a Talia/Bruce shipper

The past 10 yrs have been hard anons.

>>93040455
Morrison upped it to the limit tho

>>93040395

Yes, it happened. I Am Suicide and Rooftops.

>>93040466
those other love interests only loved the empty bruce mask not the actual person. exceot talia but she is an evil rapist.

>>93040288

>date-raped Bruce
>fucked his adopted son
>ordered the death of their child

Yeah that ship is past dead and good riddance.

FFS, you people just cannot be appeased. Didn't like Snyder's run. Don't like King's. Hate Tynion's 'Tec. You won't be satisfied unless Grant Morrison returns to writing all the Batman.

At least you liked Tomasi.

>>93040478

Damian ruined it

don't tell me DC is really planning to retire Bruce

>>93040497
Supes didn't retire when he got married.

>>93040489

You know that's not true. There has been many love interests that love one or the other aspects, or even both. Even in the Nu52 continuity.

>>93040230
>I don't want to be insane.
SPOILER ALERT BRUCE
YOU'RE NUTS
YOU'RE CRAZY IN THE COCONUT

>>93040492
> Tynion

That one deserves hate. What good things have been written by him. Tec is meh and RHaTO was trash. He wrote the worst parts of the Eternals too.

>>93040504
according to the new timeline he did for a bit after jon thats how superlex came about

>>93040492

>You won't be satisfied unless Grant Morrison returns to writing all the Batman.

That's me.

>>93040511
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

>>93040504
Superman doesn't have a Dick Grayson hanging around ready to steal his mantle at the first opportunity

>>93040507
no one that mattered it's talia and selina for those that love the true him and talia only cared for his d

>>93040527
>I know nothing about Dick Grayson

>>93040492

> Bothering to defend Tynion

Bro no

>>93040336
You can do Cyborg.

>>93040497
>>93040504

If you guys think this isn't a bait-and-switch to make a epic sad ending and make Batman more miserable, you guys are crazy.

>>93040527
Didn't Lex do exactly that?

>>93040293
I really hope they go through with it.

>>93040526
That Bat needs therapy

>>93040343
I think there's actually a children's book about divorce and how kids cope with it and uses Bat and Talia's relationship with Damien as an example. It's slightly amended so that the two aren't as brutal with each other too so Talia comes off as very nice in it. Someone should storytime it as it is illustrated

>>93040546
>“Everyone’s done vengeance, everyone’s done ‘The night is so dark,’ ” King says. “Giving Batman more pain doesn’t reveal anything about his character because he’s taken as much pain as he can. But giving him love and joy, that combines with the tragedy of his past into something new and never done before.”

https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/2017/06/06/exclusive-batman-catwoman-marriage-proposal/102539296/

>>93040527

Pls stop hating on best Batman

>>93040240
>>93040251
lol he shaved in the meantime

>>93040274
>that cringe on Selina

>>93040466
Cat/Bat is only logical ship but you're right this feels like it's 100% coming down from the Warner Bros Water Tower, we've got Batman 800 next year and Tec 1000 coming up in 2 years and outside of killing the Joker this is the biggest Batman story you can tell

>>93040546
nah it will probably work even if by manhattans will. he was the one who kept flashpoint around and did so so thomas would put doubts in bruces mind about still being batman

>>93040546
Idk, King seems to like them together.

>>93040533

Talia cared about all his sides and went against her father many times for him. Catwoman is the one who usually only know Batman. Hell, before King's run Catwoman didn't even knew Batman's secret identity, nor cared about learning it. King ignored that, though.

>>93040486
>>93040229
you a crazy bitch

>>93040458
DUH hooray to me for selective reading

>>93040395
dont listen to the crazy people

>>93040159
He's probably lying to her and himself. The man obviously has doubts after "Tye Button". Especially considering the ending of this issue. He just has a hard time coping with it.

Batman should be shipped with a normal person.
Someone that reminds him why is he fighting for Gotham not some supervillain.
Bring Silver back.

>>93040580
she knew pre-fp

So what are the chances of this

1) Going through
2) Having actual consequences

>>93040593
>bringing a normal easily killable person into batmans life
wrong

I really liked this issue. it lines up with a lot of my personal interpretations about Batman.
I don't really have a preferred love interest for Batman but I like the way King is depicting this relationship.

It's also the first time in the whole run I've enjoyed Gotham Girl's presence, but then again she's been insane for most of her appearances until now

>>93040293
I really, really love this and I can't wait to see Helena Wayne in the main universe, I mean probably Selina is already pregnant right?

>>93040601
0%
10%

>>93040601
1) None
2) Catwoman will finally fuck off for a while. i'm legit tired of her right now.

>>93040402
god, idiots like you really make me mad. It can be both things. By your logic people that are happy to do humanitarian work are selfish.

>>93040402
>superheroes shouldnt be happy to be heroes

kek kys

>>93040601
Like 70% for both

>>93040614
they are, learn2morality

>>93040583

I'm still right, though. I'm not going to post the pages, because this is a story-time and i don't want to mess it, but you can go back and reread it. King's characterization of them both is of two individuals that in order to escape their pain gave up on their human lives to become the Bat and the Cat, and that's where their connection and mutual understanding comes from.

>>93040601
It's probably happening unless King is baiting hard as fuck.

>>93040580
he told her during IIRC Hush

>>93040601

I think both will happen. There will be a marriage and a quick divorce. Just like Injustice.

>>93040466

>only became a recent thing with Brubaker

It's what you call a "character-defining run".

The real question is how they are going to retcon it after it happens

>>93040602

Catwoman's easily killable, though. She's usually a damsel in distress in Batman's stories.

>>93040058
The greatest solace is that you storytimed this instead of the edgelord who did Superman this week.

>>93040630
Storytime is over show the receipts you fag.

>>93040558
Li'L Gotham???

>>93040646
>damsel in distress
>In [CURRENT YEAR]

>>93040632

I know, which was also a retcon at the time because she already knew in previous story-lines.

>>93040646
slightly less killable than silver or vikki

>>93040639

I know, but her caring for the poor and robbing only those that deserve is a trait that doesn't come up in a lot of her appearances, despite of it.

>>93040662
didnt she forget when zatanna undid the be not evil spell on her to make up for erasing bruce's mind?

>>93040679
Who knows, everyone ignores that that happened.

>>93040601
1) 100%
2) 100%

the stars are aligning, Batman's 80th in 2019, Catwoman's in 2020, Batman #800 in 9 issues. Tec 1000 in 2020, Tec 1027 in 2021

>>93040630
>gave up on their human lives

thats why King has so many pages of Bruce just in the study drinking tea with Swamp Thing or having dinner with his kids? Thats why Catwoman adopted/covered for that other girl?


Nigga please,

Yes they connect via the way they channel their pain. Big whoop.

>>93040593
Rachel was that mistake.

>>93040661
>>93040661

Fair. Just was trying to be factual.

>>93040679

No. You're confusing yourself. Let's rewind this.

Catwoman consistent portrayal whenever editors turn the clock-back is that she only knows and interacts with Batman. That's who she's into. She doesn't really care about knowing more about Batman's life outside of the costume.

So before Loeb's run on Batman, more precisely Hush, where Batman telling Catwoman that he was Bruce Wayne was treated as a major thing and a sign of the nest step in their relationship, since he was trusting his secrets and life to her, Catwoman had already known that Batman was Bruce Wayne from other stories. But like i said Loeb ignored it because he wanted to do a major Bat/Cat story.

The whole Zatanna business happened much later in stories dealing with the fallout of Identity Crisis. Johns wrote that waaay back during the bronze age, which was the set-up for the whole IC mess, Catwoman was one of the villains that were in the Society of Villains when they possessed the JLA heroes' bodies and learned their secret identities. So Catwoman learned who Batman was, but of course the JLA later came down upon them and Zatanna mind-wiped their minds, Catwoman included. Only that with Catwoman Zatanna also messed with her mind so Catwoman would be more heroic. Thus explaining that whole period during the 60's when Catwoman began to be more an uneasy sidekick/girlfriend to Batman. Zatanna did this out of love for Batman. This came as to a major head during present time when Batman learned about the mind-wipes, because now Batman wasn't sure if Catwoman, who he had become more involved after Hush, had slowly started to do more good way back then because deep down she wanted to do good or if it was because of Zatanna's meddling. Eventually Zatanna reveals to a distressed Catwoman that she only gave a nudge. Catwoman deep down always wanted to be a good girl.

>>93040657

I'm download the comics. Just give me a minute.

>>93040716

What you want me to say? That King hasn't been consistent in his characterizations? That's what he wrote about them. He even gave an interview about it. They have a mutual understanding because they metaphorically killed their previous lives to become animals or whatever, in an attempt to distance themselves from the pain they felt. That's why Batman could believe the story that Catwoman had killed those terrorists, because he knew that Catwoman knew that death is a choice you make, not something you impose, because that's a view important to them.

okay, /co/, I've been reading a bit more comics as of late and I was really impressed with King's Vision so I read the entire Batman run. And while I kinda digged the first arc now that I've read I am Suicide and I am Bane I can't see where did all the King's talent go.

This isn't good writing. It's repetetive and simplistic in the very way that /co/ likes to mock Bendis for... and the plot isn't strong either. In "I am Bane" Batman wins in 1 panel while Bane was suddenly elevated to some kind of god tier power. That's just stupid. In I am Suicide we have Batman regurgigate his mantra while fighting off an army of armed mercs like no tomorrow, just as Bane fights off waves of villains while regurgigating lines about what he is.

Yeah, I get it. Parallels. I got it even before the so-subtle side-by-side childhood stories. It doesn't make it good, those are storytelling gimmicks.

The whole approach to Bruce as to someone who just wants to off himself while just clenching his teeth and doing his "duty" is just weak. It's pseudo-intelectualism.

There are good bits here and there, but for the most part this run isn't good.

>>93040466
>Nah. Catwoman only started being pushed as a love interest with the 60s.

This is completely untrue. Her first appearance in Batman #1 (the story with her stealing a diamond that's referenced in this issue) ends with Bruce letting her get away for no reason other than he found her attractive. Her second appearance she and Batman actually teamed up to stop a group of criminals that were trying to kill her, during that story she actually fantasizes about giving up her life of crime and running away with Batman. She's always been a love interest for batman, and they've always had a flirtatious relationship, and she's been around longer than any other potential love interest you listed. The only love interest that predates Selina Kyle is Julie Madison who literally got forgotten after a few appearances.

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>>93040293
This issue was honestly the cringiest thing I read in awhile. Is King trying to make all of this shitty so when Bruce "retires" for the 100th time and Dick takes up being Batman, people will prefer his husbando Dick?

>>93040293
dawww.

>>93040319
>>93040606
>Helena Wayne
You idiots realize that will never happen and if it did she would be a fucking baby because they aren't going to time skip the DC universe so she can be relevant, right? Damian will be the only Bat kid.

>>93040293
SHE IS A FUCKING CRIMINAL SHE SHOULD BE IN PRISON! FUCK YOU

also you could afford a bigger fucking diamond

>>93040912
isn't it implied that it's just the same diamond?

>>93040861

Those stories were few back then. There were more stories with him having to put her away than of them flirting. This, of course, before the 60s. That's why the Earth-2 setting ignored pretty much 80% of her golden age stories.

>>93040865
Wait. Back up. Back up.

You mean ... you DON'T husbando Dick?

>>93040861

Catwoman second appearance is actually her rattling the Joker to Batman so that she can steal some jewels, but Batman and Robin capture both.

Not really, the Joker dies and Catwoman evades capture.

>>93040912
It's a sentimental thing you autist.

>>93040288
After Batman Inc., I'm sure Batman prefers Talia away from him. And from his son. And from his planet.

>>93040921
>>93040971
>reusing old stuff
even more of a cheapstake

>>93040430
I too like it. It's a good continuity nod, since if you read CoIE the story explains how Batman can keep his pre crisis memories while Catwoman would be fully part of the post crisis since Batman was one of the select to travel to the beginning of time and remain unaffected by the universe change.

>>93040406
All-Star and Red Hood are the only good Bat books

>>93041000
>Red Hood
>good

Fuck, I knew that /co/ doesn't read comics but come on.

>>93041000
What about Super Sons?

>>93040908
After they defeat Manhattan they recover the time lost and the universe reboots with her as a teen in the new universe. BOOM.

>>93040986

I doubt King thought of that. Specially when Batman after CoIE lost most of his pre-CoIE memories, before Morrison made them canon again as drug-filled experiences. Even then if we followed that logic Catwoman should remember her pre-CoIE memories, since her first appearances after CoIE had her still wearing her bronze age costume and being brainwashed by the Joker to be a bitch again, this a way to retcon the previous pre-CoIE bronze age characterization where she was sorta of a reformed good girl who had just finished a fling with Batman because of Jason's jealousy and anger.

>>93041018
lol no

>>93041021

So we will have another Batman related character bloating even more the cast? One that will make Damian and Huntress superfluous?

Nah, m8.

>>93041030
Anon, you are assuming King went and read all that random stuff for autistic accuracy and not just went and read CoIE for a nice reference.

>>93040908
BatBaby anon.We dont need another robin or a timeskip.

>>93041039
I don't care about the actual Huntress at all and I want to read Demian as a older bother.
Besides maybe Helena could use the Misfit identity (she has been rebirthed???)

>>93041097
Could always just make her a character in batman beyond.

>>93040293
BASED KING
We needed new charcterizations for both Batman and Catwoman. If this gets handled well, its gonna be perfect for the whole BatFam.

WE seriosly need more families in comics.

>based Snyder will never deliver us from this terrible mediocre run

>>93041125
So, preggers Catwoman and bomb-rigging Joker when?

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>>93041097
Why? Why would we need another Batkid? Do we really need Bruce punching riddlers teeth in and then running home just so Alfred can school him on being a shit dad. Something that is already brought up with Damian's existence. Or Bruce stop being Batman just so he will come back before the JL movie comes out. The whole
"retire" thing they do with Batman every year is so boring and pointless.

>>93041218
we need a batkid he actually shows interests in and actually does nice things for, something like Jason back in the days before all the retcons

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>>93041238
Batman is nice and loving to his Robins all the time. Batman not caring or uninterested is a meme.

>>93041258
Maybe he used to be, he's obviously not like this after nu52

>>93041046

You're also assuming that he read CoIE for that reference.

>>93041266
sadly this, especially since rebirth and teen titans they have been hammering that he doesn't pay attention to Damian and stuff like that

>>93041271
Crisis on Infinite Earths is a pretty well known and widely read comic. I wouldn't be surprised if he read it before even becoming a comic writer.

>>93041258

Ah, the days when DC cared about Tim Drake. When he was the shoe-in to be the next Batman someday.

>>93041125

King actually regressed both Batman and Catwoman for his run, though. More so Catwoman who had stopped being dependent on the costume.

>>93041258
>he's forgotten the lone wolf faggot years of the late 90s

>>93041266
That's just because Snyder wrote him autistic.

>>93041291
Snyder's not writing his main anymore and he's still not paying attention or being loving to his Robins

>>93041286
Batman is inconsistent. But there are plenty of moments of Bruce being a good dad with the Robins.

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>>93041266

>>93041273
>sadly this, especially since rebirth and teen titans they have been hammering that he doesn't pay attention to Damian and stuff like that
Priest calls Batman Child Abuser:

>>93041280

True, true. The thing is you thinking what he does in this run is a reference to that small bit in CoIE.

If we're going to be autistic, Batman remembering golden age adventures and Catwoman remembering Year One doesn't make any sense when those stories shouldn't be canon anymore. King is just throwing references to well-known first meetings between the two to show that Batman is more heroic and Catwoman more gritty. Or that Batman prefer to think of their first meeting in costume, because of the whole furry thing going on, while Catwoman prefer to be technical and think of their first meeting that happened outside the costumes. Either way.

>>93041285
That Catwoman wasn't selling well so they put her back in the costume.

>>93041328
After this, Bruce proceeded to ignore Damian and instead focus on a random black kid

While i've been disliking King's run somewhat, specially his characterizations, i'm all up for this. Batman domesticating Catwoman gives me a boner. I want to see her pregnant and barefoot walking around the manor.

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>>93041344
>. I want to see her pregnant and barefoot walking around the manor.

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>>93041344
Too bad it won't be Bruce's kid.

would Damian have to be the kid who hands them the rings? Who would be the best man?

>>93041344
>>93041365
Catwoman ends up infecting her unborn with toxoplsmosis

>>93041382
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>>93041390
Best man is Dick and the Groomsmen would be the Robins and the bridesmaids would be the Birds of Prey and I don't know who'd be the maid of honor.

I love BatCat but I hate when King makes them call each other Bat and Cat.
At least they used their real names here.

Wait, so Batman didn't propose to her before, because he was scared, and he was scared, because otherwise he'd be insane, and he doesn't want to be insane?
But it's okay to be scared, because it allows you to fight fear, even though it apparently makes you insane?
And also being a superhero is not about what YOU want, but about what you WANT?
Am I stupid for not getting this mess of disjointed "deep" ideas, or was this issue just written sloppily?

I actually think that Bruce is only truly happy when he is being Batman.

>>93041410
>the maid of honor
Harley

>Bruce never banged Gotham Girl

Explain this bullshit

>>93041341

No, after that his mind was rewritten and the black kid helped him get back on his feet while Damian was off gallivanting with Nobody's daughter and telling his mom to behave herself.

>>93041390
>>93041410

None of them would accept Catwoman, though. And the Sirens wouldn't accept Batman.

>>93041469

Right? Batman sacrificed more in this run for her than he did for Catwoman. He deserves that pusy.

>>93041508
"Also, I'm a mob boss in this dimension."

>>93041530
I think Dick likes Selina, and Jason would probably be okay with it considering he's a criminal himself

>>93041438
Its simple - Bruce never could put down the cape because he was afraid of doing anything else and what would happen, and he kept telling himself that this fear kept him sane because it kept him aware of consequences.
GG told him that fighting it and doing what your heart wanted was not insane, but normal and that Batman had a false notion of what doing in life really mattered - Bruce martyred himself because he never quite gotten over his traumas and that is what gave him hangups about having normal life, which he thought himself incapable of having.

>>93040230
Oh man that part about telling yourself your scared and not being insane, cuts a wee bit too close to home.

>>93041509
this, Duke acted more like a son toward Batman than Damian ever did.
Damian never helped Bruce in any way.
Bruce tried everything to bring him back to life, when Bruce lost his memory the only thing Damian did was complain about being alone and then leave him to have his own adventures.

>>93040288
>So fuck Talia I guess
Could you imagine saying that if the genders were reversed? She literally fucking drugged and raped him.

>>93041550

Dick is the one that distrust Selina, actually. He always did.

>>93041561
>Damian never helped Bruce in any way
Are you really implying that a child should be beneficial to the parent in order to deserve love?

>>93041561
>this, Duke acted more like a son toward Batman than Damian ever did.
> Damian never helped Bruce in any way.
> Bruce tried everything to bring him back to life, when Bruce lost his memory the only thing Damian did was complain about being alone and then leave him to have his own adventures.
Scott Synder pls.

>>93041569
I think they became friendly with each other while Dick was Batman though?

>>93041572
love, like everything in life, is earned

>>93041585
Depends, parents usually love their kids without the kids proving themselves or some shit

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>>93041440
What if Bruce is doing all this, like giving up being Batman and stuff and having a normal like and it's what pushes him over the edge and he become fully and self aware insane. He starts being Batman behind his family's back, starts distancing himself and then goes full Bat of Murder mode.

>>9304158
Duke's unnecessary, isn't interesting, and comes off as a creator's pet that Snyder made so he could claim his character became Robin.

>>93041561
Because he is a discount Tim Drake with extra PC points for diversity.

He's also being shoved seemingly everywhere, even where it makes zero sense.

Snyder and company need to be kicked off the Bat-Books and soon. They're wrecking the entire line.

>>93041584

Sorta. Dick trusted Catwoman to follow Bruce's wishes, that is for her to keep the Sirens on the straight and narrow, but Dick still kept an eye on her and the Sirens

>>93041561
Duke is such a creators pet I can't even fathom it. Example: Bruce got his memory back. Not by the help of Dick, Tim, Jason, or even Alfred. Hell not even DAMIAN! His own SON! But he gets it back from Duke. A kid he does not know well. Example B: Duke knowing both Bruce and Dick's identities.

I want to see Catwoman with a cat-collar and a leash, so that Batman can walk her around like a pet.

>>93041663
I want to see Catwoman broken and dead so Batman can stop playing make believe.

>>93040319
Damian would be adorable as a big brother.

>>93041677

After lots and lots of kinky sex, ye?

>>93041554
No, what I specifically don't get is this phrase:
"I'm scared. I fail because I'm scared. What I've seen. Gotham. HIM. If you're not scared. If all that doesn't scare me. Then I'm insane. And I'm not... I don't want to be insane. So I'm scared."
What does Gotham and HIM have to do with anything. Are they the examples of being insane? How are they comparable? He thinks that Joker and all the psychopaths are the example of what happens, if you're not scared of normal life? What?

>>93041695

He fails at being happy because he's scared of all the things that can go wrong.

Either way, Lego Batman did it better.

>>93041715
>Lego Batman
>literally "if you are male stop being confident in your abilities": the movie
>did it better

>>93041770

What? No, that Batman is scared of forming a family and be happy again because of his past.

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>>93040072
>It's a Snyder/Tynion event
can't wait

>>93040159
He's not shitting on it. It's the truth. Thomas probably knew that better than anyone.

>>93040176
Because I am batman.

>>93040288
>>93040389
You are right...Even if this is something without future.. FUCK YOU Talia.

>>93040363
Oh that explain's it, because damn they are nice. Coloring off the morning is fantastic as well

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>>93040293
YESSSSSS

Do it King, do it! The resulting ass-hurt on /co/ will fuel me for decades to come.

>>93042092
/co/ doesn't give a shit about Batman. Batcat is the most casual shit ship of Batman so no one is going to give a shit except for a small percentage here.

>>93042092
King and Duke is too boring.
No one cares .

>>93040332
Wow. It's almost like she's been around since 1940 and has stood the test of time as Batman's love interest.
She's the most, and arguably only, recognizable Batman love interest.

When someone who knows fuck all about Batman sees a character like Vickie Vale or Talia for the first time, they need it explained to them that this is a Batman love interest.

When those same Normies see Catwoman, they don't need it explained. They just see Catwoman and know right off the Batman: Love interest.

It's the same level of popularity as Lois Lane and Superman, or Spider-Man and Mary Jane.

The next arc is a flashback and 8 issues. That means DC and King have 4 months to let this stew and seep into the consciousness. Then King comes back to this and does another couple of months with the follow up story arc which occurs around when DC will be busy with Doomsday Clock and wrapping up year 2 of Rebirth.
Basically unless King kills or ends this in the very first arc after the proposal this marriage has about half a year to a year safety net. And if it can last a year, it might stick.

>>93042150
>the next arc is a flashback and 8 issues.
awful.

>>93042139

>It's the same level of popularity as Lois Lane and Superman, or Spider-Man and Mary Jane.

No, it isn't. People see her as the slut that Batman sometimes bangs among various other chicks. She's doesn't hold a candle to Lois Lane or Mary Jane.

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>>93040466
>Jason.
>Mr. "YOU'RE OLD NEWS OLD MAN THIS IS MY SHOW NOW YOU'RE NOTHING TIME FOR A CHANGE WHY WON'T YOU KILL PEOPLE MUH JOKER REEEE"
>Understanding and accepting Batman for who he is.

Wew lad.

>>93042171

He has more knowledge of Batman's life than Catwoman, though.

>>93042168
You hate arcs that aren't specific issue lengths?

>>93042139
Speaking of Peter and MJ, this week is their thirtieth wedding anniversary

Read 24, what a waste of pages. Zero answers, just more questions and interactions with a character that I just cant be bothered to give a damn about aka Gotham Girl. I'm dropping Batman, already dropped Tec. I just cant torture my brain for another year.

The proposal will overshadow the contents of the actual issue and that's what people will talk about, nobody will be bothered to look at the story that King took a whopping 24 issues to write, it'll be about the final page and suckers will read the book just to find out Selina's answer. I honestly dont care, with how heavily Selina has been pushed as Batman's soulmate in the last decade and a half across all media they might as well be married so it makes zero difference to me.

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>>93042192

No...It's not.

>>93042139

To be honest, people see any chick Batman interact with as potential love interest. It can be a literal who created for a mere story arc. If she give Batman the bedroom eyes, they'll know she's a love interest.

Normies don't need that type of shit explained to them. Specially when part of the Batman appeal is him banging chicks left and right. You can thank the movies for that, since in every new movie he has a new love interest.

>>93042184

Knowledge doesn't always equate to understanding when it comes to the complexity of an individual human mind.

>>93042254

Not always. There was that one time he had a love interest for two movies...And then cried about it in a third because she blowed up.

>>93042264

Fuck Rachel Dawes. What an annoying character.

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Maybe this isn't a story about Batman and Catwoman finally getting together but really about why they shouldn't.

>>93042275

They already did that story.
Like, a dozen times at least.

>>93042275

That's the hook King's trying to sell. If this is a good thing or a mistake. The upcoming arc, the Joker and Riddler war that takes place in the past, will be framed as Batman describing to Catwoman the time he did the most shady thing in his career before she can give him an answer.

>>93042234
Still together in the newspapers and RYV Meph

>>93042275
stories about why two people shouldn't get together are always boring as hell and unsatisfying

>>93042291

That's pretty much every Bat/Cat story. They hook up, start to entertaining the idea of getting serious, then something happen and usually Selina dumps Bruce for whatever reason. He didn't trusted her, the Bat-Family got in the way, the Gotham rogues got in the way, he couldn't go above his morals for her, he couldn't commit, he died-but-not-really and then didn't called when he came back, and so on.

>>93042298

Her answer probably won't be changed negatively if he reveals something "Shady" he did. If anything she'd probably feel closer to him after revealing something like that given the shady shit she's done her entire life and that Bruce actually has flaws.

>>93042254

>Specially when part of the Batman appeal is him banging chicks left and right.

Obviously doesn't apply to comics. Snyder's run is possibly the most successful Batman run ever and Bruce was completely sexless for like the first 40 issues.

>>93042350

Who knows, man. What if Batman reveals that he raped the Joker?

>>93042350
It'll be the classic do you still love me of course I do story.

>>93041382
God damn it Frank.

>>93042357

Snyder's run is an oddity. His Batman is a sexless monk that push any kind of social interaction away. Dude needed to crack his skull and lose his memories to finally bang a pussy.

>>93040288
You can love more than one person in your life you moron.

Case in point see the Spider-harem.

>>93042307
And this isn't? >>93042366

>>93042380
Snyder is one of the few that actually understood Batman

Monologuing, autistically driven, sarcastic and fueled by rage.

It was like if Miller's Batman was back.

>>93040293
Don't do it Bats. She a thief. She gonna steal half your shit in the divorce..

>>93042382

When it comes to Catwoman, writers usually push the idea that Catwoman was the only girl who ever managed to melt his icy heart and the sole source of happiness for him. Which is logical when you're trying to sell the romance as something super important that can change it all, but not really.

>>93042418

Frank's Batman bang chicks, though, even Catwoman herself.

>>93042455

Especially Catwoman. She was in all of his Batman stories. Except maybe for DKR3, which I haven't been keeping up with.

>>93040434
She was taking the fall for her friend, also the people who were killed were all involved in terrorism.

>>93042511

That was such a dumb twist.

This is actual cancer. Fuck this run.

>>93041818
>Liking the Eternals

>>93042572
You know I was being ironical, but I actually didn't hate the first one. BRE was fucking irredeemable trash though and I'm sure this is going to be awful too.

>>93040123
>Does any good come from flying up... And away?

2deep4me

>>93040058
>CatwomanxBatman
Simple times where there wasn't this much autistic shippings with Talia, Bat woman or Wonder Woman. Its used to be just two original autistic superheroes fighting crime as creatures of the night.

>>93042640
damn now I want Batman shipped with his cousin Batwoman

>>93042640

When Catwoman was ever a hero fighting crime? Her big turned happened when Batman had become a soap opera with him not knowing if he wanted Vicky, Julia, Nocturna, Talia, Selina.

>>93042677

He's probably talking about Kathy Kane, i think. The original Batwoman.

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>>93040293

>>93040285
>Wahh only people who agree with me are allowed in the storytime

>>93042705
Batman The Animation series was the only canon timeline of Batman for me. In one of the episodes, Mad Hatter created a perfect world for Bruce, in which he imagined a world where his parents were alive and he was married to Selina.

This perfectly show that Cat Woman was his destined partner and entire autism with Damien and Wonder Woman is just a side track of the main canon.

>>93040293
So how will this be torn apart?

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>>93042705
I was acutally talking about Bat girl as he slept with her in Killing Joke
>>93040293
this should be the only version of Batman like in the old times

>>93042748

Andrea Belmont was much more important in TAS, though.

>>93042751
Selina can't give up her life of crime because cats never change or something like that

>>93042817

Catwoman in TAS was a terrible character. She was a self-serving cunt that constantly betrayed Batman, not that she's any different in comics, but she was much more unlikable.

>>93042751

Batman reveals that he run over one of her cats with the batmobile once.

>>93042751
Alfred dies and Batman makes a deal with the devil to bring him back by sacrificing his marriage and unborn child

>>93042751
She just says "no" in the first page of the next issue

>>93040123
What is with up, up and away?

Its not up and its not away!

>>93042924
nah he's making a deal with dr. manhattan

>>93041330
No, Priest had Slade, who was obviously projecting, call Batman a child abuser and Damian call Slade out as being full of shit.

>>93040492
Just because Batman had been mediocre for the past 6 years doesn't mean that we should just accept that and decide to like it anyways

>>93040293
Time for Stepcatmother

>>93040288
She DC's Osama Bin Laden

>>93040293
Helena and big brother Damian incoming.

>>93040631
It wouldn't be the first time he's done that in this run with Selina

>>93040293

>Supes becomes Superdad

>Bats becomes Bathusbando

I'm honestly okay with both these things.

>>93040283
>Masks removed
>No more "BAT", "CAT"

Poetry

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>>93042751
>implying they will tore apart

>implying they won't become a superhero family that fight crime and enjoy pancakes

>>93043406

>Catwoman
>superhero

>>93040293
Could it be that Bruce looks at Superdad and understands that misery is not a requirement for being a her?

>>93040332
>Batman's first love, who was there since Batman #1 and withstood decades is pushed as Batman's first love.

You don't say

>>93043532

She was a femme fatale in Batman #1 and Batman first love was Julie Madison. When Kane decided to create a real love interest he came up with Batwoman. Catwoman was never a first love.

>>93043446
shes more like a villain with a heart of silver

>>93040466
Have you even read goddamn Batman #1? Where Dick outright points out that Bruce didn't put away Selina because he fancied her?

>>93040546
King said that it's not the case. He wants Batman to grow happier.

>>93043639

So? That doesn't she was his first love interest. Julie Madison still came first. The other Catwoman stories of the time had her more in a foe capacity. When Kane became bothered by the Seduction of the Innocent book he came up with Batwoman, instead of elevating Catwoman's role to love interest.

I'm just being factual.

>>93040308
Everyone saw this page two days ago you buttfucking faggot

>>93040601
50%

It will either happen, or it won't.

>>93043688
Shut up dcbitch, King only wrote one good comic and that was Vision, Everything else is either ovehyped or crap. And the world agrees, how's them eisner nominations? only Vision got one? I am shocked!

>>93043734
You like being in the good company of Mockingbird?

>>93043734
>console warring
>bragging about joke awards
>being this much of a faggot

>>93043446
She antihero, its like Goku hooking up with Vegeta

>>93041382
Outrage!

This wasn't that bad DESU, but you know superhero marriages, they end two ways and it's never good.

>>93043827
Well this is Bruce we are talking about so maybe his ability to fuck his own shit will reverse fuck his marriage into becoming something stable and happy

>>93043778
Mockingbird is good, most people agree. And even the ones that don't only have a problem with the last issue

>>93043788
>it's a joke award when it doesn't line up with my shitty taste

>>93042264
...After which he fell in love with Catwoman.

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>>93042363

>>93043935

He fell first for... what it was? Miranda something? Either way, Talia's dumb secret identity. But thankfully Selina wearing his mother's pearls saved him from himself.

>>93040293
Bruce retires, Dick takes over again with Damian as his partner. Duke Thomas ends up wherever characters like him end up. I can dig it.

Now the question is how long it'll take for either to dump the other, Selina to go back to crime or a crisis to pop up Dick can't handle on his own. I give it half a year tops.

>>93040085
>The weak should fear the strong

>>93044284

Another option would probably being Bruce stepping back and letting the detective comics gang take over day to day protection with him only stepping up for big disasters and Justice league stuff. So he spends more time as Bruce Wayne but is still around at the same time

>>93040085
Beautiful variant

>>93040825
I agree. I can appreciate his artistic liberties involving the dialogues and the plot symmetry, but it doesn't make for a very interesting read desu. That Batman issue where Bane breaks his back was so poorly thought out, and Batman's repetition of the "hurr I'm gonna brake your BACK!" was just annoying

>>93040229
Fuck off. This issues fine. What do you want Bruce to say he loves being batman? He doesn't. Sorry.

>>93040628
Holy fuck you're awful

>>93040402
He literally JUST FUCKING SAID that he's not happy and that he does this work despite his misery. How the fuck are you even capable of reading

>>93043734
>Max Landis is a two time Eisner nominee.

>>93044322
In which case Tim would probably have a chance to finally be Batman and relevant

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>>93043304
with even older sister Helena?

>>93044284
That already happened. We aren't getting dickbat again. Especially with Nightwing getting a tv series and a movie soon

>>93040293
I like it, at least it kills all possibility of trinity shipping.

>>93044942
>dickbat
FUCK EVERYTHING

>>93044942
>a tv series
no way

>>93040293
>>93040319
>>93040337
>>93040354
>>93040606
>>93041682
>>93043304
Damibats and HelenaRobin when?

While Bruce/Selina is my OTP, this issue was a whole lot of nothing. Kind of want to see Bruce and Selina double date with Clark and Lois now

>>93044942
>dickbat
The one tool Batman's utility belt always holds

>>93043577
His point is that she's been there from the very beginning (which is blatantly referenced in this issue). Shes iconic and it makes sense in a legacy kind of way

>>93041566
It's hilarious to me that morrison retconned that because he forgot what actually happened in Son of the Demon/Bride of the Demon.

>>93040272
What's up boy, afraid to grow up?

>>93045167
and then he accuses Moore of being obsessed with rape
he truly is a hack

Great, so when can we get rid of Damian?

>>93043181
I forsee many hijinks

>>93040293
>this twist leads to another dinner table scene with the Kent family
yes PLEASE

>>93040288
Fuck Talia

Aside from Selina/alfred bantz or Selina/damian bantz, I can't see anything good coming out of this. The writing this issue, was cringe and I fear this heavy-handed self-reflective sappiness is how the pairing will be handled.

>>93040263
If Catwoman's talking post crisis, wouldn't she say "at Falcone's penthouse"? Or is she talking about when Bruce beat up her pimp.

>>93044485

He should. King's Batman is awful.

>>93045408
I would much rather King not use Damian in this. Selina can interact with Fan favourite Duke. That's exciting.

>>93045051

Lois hates Selina. Why people think that anyone other than Batman or the Sirens would like Selina? She's a selfish criminal. She always betrayed Batman's trust. The Bat-Family has been consistently against her. Lois as well. Lois in Hush would rather die than be protected by Selina.

>>93045607
>Lois hates Selina
Good.

>>93045443

She's talking about Bruce beating up Stan, her pimp.

>>93040288
Isnt she like dead, and before that had all those close of Damien trying to take over the world?

>>93045607
>Not wanting an awkward dinner where Lois and Selina subtly insult each other
>Not wanting Clark and Bruce trying to pretend things are going well
That makes it even funnier

>>93045650

She was brought back in the Robin: Son of Batman ongoing.They also tried to redeem her.

>>93045673

Thing is, i doubt Lois would be okay with receiving Selina in her house. Remember, by the law Selina's still a mass murderer fugitive.

>>93040293
What a great issue. I hope Selina doesn't die. Bruce deserves a little happiness.

>marrying a fucking ex-whore
come on Bruce, you are supposed to be smart

>>93045573
Nothing about Duke is ever exciting.