is giving the storyboarders too much power a bad thing?

>>93031764
>Can't draw
>Become storyboarder
What did they mean by this?

>>93031764
It seems to have pros and cons.

If you're going to run a show like that, though, you should at least establish a height chart as the one ironclad rule.

>>93032092
Time Warner doesn't like spending money on cartoons. Teen Titans Go proved that you can cut plenty of corners and still get a sizable audience.

Everything that airs on CN is one of following...
>Animated traditionally but suffers from very poor quality control and outsourcing (Steven Universe)
>Lazy noodle-puppet shit (Adventure Time, Rick & Morty)
>Animated well, but doesn't air on a regular schedule due to how tight they have to stretch the budget (Gumball, Venture Brothers)
>Horrendous garbage shot forth from Satan's loins (Nu-PPG)

>>93031764
Don't ever talk to me or my xon again.

>>93031764
idgaf about the proportions of characters as long as I can tell who they are.

Why does it matter so much to you?

What does it change about the plot?

>>93032433

>why do visuals matter in a visual medium

you're right anon, everything should be stick figures and tails gets trolled art

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>>93031764
>That perfect petite loli body on the left
>that midget dorito abortion on the right
Why must the gods punish me like this?

>>93032465
>everything should be tails gets trolled art

This wouldn't be a bad thing.

>>93032433
>LOL ANIMATION DOESN'T MATTER XDDDD GRAPHICS DON'T MATTER BRO
How did 4chan get so popular with children? Was it tumblr?

>>93032502
I blame homostuck or at least the overly simplistic parts of if

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>>93031764
YES.

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>>93031764
I honestly think lamars story boarding is the worst on the show.also Raven and paul are crap at it too! how is this aloud ?

>>93031764
Sugar really needs to take some control back here. I think she has some genuine talent, but she hires hacks and lets them run roughshod all over her creation. She should have taken one look at Peri-tot and said "Enough".

Has anyone on the show made a comment on these criticisms? There's been a lot of talk about the show's artsyle degrading and lots of the staff on the show have social media presences so I figure someone would have said something by now.

>>93032367
Adventure Time isn't flash/ puppet animation you dumbass
Don't try and sound like you know shit when you don't

>>93032956
when you're drawing stick figures, it's not hard to keep them uniform lol

>>93033080
I'd say what really needs to be done is have a clear reference sheet for height ratios. That way you can still have a variety of designs but everyone has to be uniform in proportion to each other.

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>>93033131
Pearl and Lapis are stick figures and the crew fucks them up as well.

>>93033219
they're a lot more complicated than the average AT character though, just in terms of anatomy.
I'm not defending SU's artists though because they're still simple enough where these fuckups shouldn't be happening so often.

>>93031764
Yes. Ruined Adventure Time singlehandedly. It did generate artsy-fartsy stuff that never would've existed otherwise...but the show as a whole sucked because the episodes didn't hang together.

>>93033213
They might still fuck up the proportions, but any little bit helps, I guess. Anything that needs to be consistent should keep these lazy fucks a little more in line.

>>93032502
blame the msm
whenever they mention 4chan on the news this place gets flooded with normies

>>93033116
Pretty sure he's talking about the way that marionette limbs are all floppy and limbless, not the fact that the show is (or isn't) made with Flash puppets.

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>>93033517
The animation of Adventure Time wasn't always lazy. I mean noodle arms were the norm in the 20's/30's, you can do silly cartoony stuff with them.

However AT got all dramatic and shit, so silly cartoony animation no longer looks right and instead the characters hardly move at all. It might as well be made with Flash puppets these days, even though it falls under that first category of "traditional animation with poor quality control".

>>93032465
Then we should ban any cartoons with shit artstyles except ones that look like voltron

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This is type of stuff where you take the storyboarders into a room and just spank the hell out of them. Literally spank them. Grab a paddle, take them behind closed doors and paddle their asses until they get the message.

>>93034125
How do we get Sugar Mama to punish her unruly kids? Twitter spam?

>>93031764

This is what happens when you pretend amateurs are professionals.

>>93033131

Let's not sit here and pretend to like Steven Universe has complex character designs

>>93034235
Fire them and hire new ones.

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>>93031764
Depends. Most artist suck at writing. Just look at Korra.

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>>93032433
>Why do people care about the quality of the art and animation in this animated tv show

>>93033219
Holy fuck how hard is it to have a height chart? Let storyboarders have their freedom or whatever but at least make them stick to that.

Otherwise why even draw the characters. Why not hire new boarders every episode, give them descriptions of what the characters look like and have them make it up for every scene they do.

It's a fuckin cartoon, who cares about being on model. If /co/ had existed in the 40s you'd probably complain about Bugs Bunny's design being inconsistent.

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>>93031764

No, the problems comes when the storyboarder doesn't have the talent and experience to pull it off.

>>93031764

anyone with too much power will get corrupted in time. The only difference is when.

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>>93034958
stop height shaming plz

>>93032956
damn bubblegum look thicc

>>93034885
fuck off with your shitty b8 image

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>>93035072
Does it bother you how accurate it is?

Ok. I never watched this but always hear people crying about the story boarders. What did they do?

really getting tired of these threads because every time the OP's clearly doing it to troll

>>93035091
No, it bothers me that you keep posting it because it's completely inaccurate with it's implication of anything bad on either side.

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>>93034990

>s-s-shut up!: The post

>>93035125
Keep posting it? I haven't posted this image in...8 months maybe? I guess you're the only one that doesn't get it.

>>93035167
>Keep posting it? I haven't posted this image in...8 months maybe?
I didn't say "keep posting recently". It doesn;'t matter how often you post it. Posting it at all is dumb.

> I guess you're the only one that doesn't get it.
No, I get what it's trying to imply, but it's wrong for both Star Wars and TLOK

>>93035264
How is wrong?

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>>93031764
Yes, because it becomes disjointed and inconsistent.
There has to be some guidelines to achieve a minimum threshold of consistency, then from there allow for some wiggle room so the individual storyboarder can express some personal flair but still hold true to the creators vision.
Sugar needs to shepherd her flock that has gone astray.

>>93033219

How is there no standard? What is the excuse here, that they allow the animators to be more 'creative' or something?

>>93035093
they don't draw the cartoon characters to rigid scale

>>93034235
She browses various boards, she's probably aware that her boarders suck, but she's got Genndy backing her up at CN so hopefully she'll just learn from her mistakes and reign her boarders in on her next project.

>>93031764
>>93032956
>>93033219
what happened to peridot
I thought she was as tall as lapis

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>>93032956
Princess Bubblegum towards the later seasons was constantly flipping from THICC to her usual noodles.

But I will agree that AT is better at letting Storyboarders have their distinct style while keeping steady with model sheets. Except Xayaphone. Fuck that guy and his big tooth Finn followed by shit stories.

So is any one gonna point out that all the tiny peridots are from Raven Molisee and she left the show at the end of last season?

>>93035299
Lightningbending becoming a little more common over the course of 70 years after the war is not a bad thing at all, it only makes sense that the technique, like metalbending, would enter the hands of more people.

And there's nothing wrong with the Star Wars image, not sure what exactly your complaining about there.

Having another combustion bender is not a bad thing, and I think TLOK did good by making P'li at least somewhat of a character compared to SSBM.

Jango is better than Boba(despite Lucas mostly including him for fanservice) so no issue there.

Both TLOK and the prequels have a cast of characters that are at least somewhat enjoyable(inb4 some shitty plinkett meme)

The Wan story was great, and people's complaints about midi-chlorians are dumb(I'm guessing your one of those types that think they're powerlevels or are The Force or something)

Meelo was funny most of the time, and Jar Jar is enjoyed by plenty of kids(and honestly while he is annoying I think the hatred is exaggerated)

And TLOK had Good Villains outside of Unalaq, who was basically Ozai 2.0 in terms of depth.

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>>93035500

Not OP, but I disagree with almost every one of your points and you are therefore a faggot. However, I don't feel like typing up a rebuttal, so I'm also a faggot.

>>93035024
Is this some new loss shit?

>>93035567

That's what I assumed, but I quit trying to figure that shit out a long time ago

>>93031764
Why is this show so hideous?

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>/co/mblr wil defend this.

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>>93035672

Jesus, I like the show but that's pretty indefensible.

>>93035500
Not that anon but you are wrong.

>Lightningbending becoming a little more common over the course of 70 years

A little? It's clearly implied to be a major power source for the city. How did it go from a secret of the royal family of the Fire Nation to a thing literal who's can do?

>The Wan story was great

You clearly have no fucking idea what you're talking about.

>And TLOK had Good Villains

No it didn't at best the villains have a decent set up with a terrible payoff.

>>93035672
This can't be real.

>>93035784
It is, they didn't give the animators any model sheets or height comparisons, and instead told them to refer to the storyboard when in doubt.

>>93035759
>A little? It's clearly implied to be a major power source for the city.
And it was said to make "decent money" in the context of needing 30,000 yuans, and we only saw a few other people doing it in the plant(or in general really).

It's hardly something super common

> How did it go from a secret of the royal family of the Fire Nation to a thing literal who's can do?
Well first of all it wasn't just limited to the royal family, high ranking military officers knew it as well.

Secondly, it's pretty simple. Zuko had them/Iroh teach others to lightningbend. Then it assimilated throughout other firebenders.

>You clearly have no fucking idea what you're talking about.
I certainly do know what I'm talking about.

>No it didn't at best the villains have a decent set up with a terrible payoff.
No worse than Ozai.

>>93035672
>>93035784
see
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>>93035672
She wasnt the only one

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>>93035672
This image will never not make me angry god dammit sugar

>>93035672
Is this real? Are they just Benjamin buttoning?

>>93035878
>I can't think of any actual response to the points he makes.... I know! I'll post some dumb image insulting him. That'll work!

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>>93035953

Nah, I've just spent too much of my life debating the weaknesses of this show with people and I don't want to write another fucking novel worth of explanations just to disagree with a rando.

>>93036009
So then why did you even respond in the first place? Or why didn't you just say "I don't agree with what you're saying but let's just agree to disagree? Why did you even enter the argument if you were just gonna pull out like a wet noodle?

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>>93036076

Because I have very strong opinions about this show, both positive and negative, and you are clearly wrong.

>>93035849
>And it was said to make "decent money"

The fact that it only pays decent money proves my point if it was a rare thing it would pay great money unless supply and demand isn't a thing in the avatar universe

>Well first of all it wasn't just limited to the royal family, high ranking military officers knew it as well.

This is even worse because in this case lightningbending would be treated as a matter of national security for the fire nation

>it's pretty simple. Zuko had them/Iroh teach others to lightningbend


If this is the case it is never addressed in the show and i can't think of one reason why they would want this incredibly dangerous technique out in the in the public

>No worse than Ozai
I never said otherwise any fan of ATLA will tell you he the worst villain

>>93036083
the fuck is wrong with Paul Villeco

>>93034958
Sugar likes to give her boarders nearly unlimited freedom, it seems.

>>93036138
Laziness

>>93036096
No, I just don't share your opinion.>>93036117

>The fact that it only pays decent money proves my point if it was a rare thing it would pay great money unless supply and demand isn't a thing in the avatar universe
The way Mako said it was more "it's pretty good money" not "meh it's better than nothing"

>This is even worse because in this case lightningbending would be treated as a matter of national security for the fire nation
Not really.

>If this is the case it is never addressed in the show
Of course not, they have better things to do than spoonfeed you on why a technique became more popular. that's not even the official explanation, it's just one of many possibilities.

>and i can't think of one reason why they would want this incredibly dangerous technique out in the in the public
it's only dangerous in the wrong hands, Like TLOK shows it can be used for good(electricity)

>I never said otherwise any fan of ATLA will tell you he the worst villain
Well it's pretty silly to complain about TLOK's main villains when ATLA's main villain was no different.

>>93035024
But where is my pipe?

>>93031764
Not if they're good

>>93036083
Jesus christ. The only moderate one is Amethyst.

>>93036218
>The way Mako said it was more "it's pretty good money" not "meh it's better than nothing"

That doesn't invalidate my point that the skill is so common that the people employed him can afford not to pay him a fortune

>Not really.

How would this not be a matter of national security? It's a secret only the royal family and a few high-ranking generals know about.

>that's not even the official explanation, it's just one of many possibilities.

So it's never addressed in the show how one of the biggest secrets in the avatar universe stop being a secret how is that not terrible writing?

>it's only dangerous in the wrong hands
how would they know whether or not it was in the wrong hands if they released the technique to the general public? Did they not care?

>when ATLA's main villain was no different.

Ozai was only the main villain for the last half of the third season before that at best he could be considered one of the main villains

>>93031764
Did she got beaten by Koichi or something?

>>93036572
>How would this not be a matter of national security? It's a secret only the royal family and a few high-ranking generals know about.
Because it's not really that big of a deal.

>So it's never addressed in the show how one of the biggest secrets in the avatar universe stop being a secret how is that not terrible writing?
Becuase "technique gets learned over the course of 70 years and becomes more know" isn't bad writing, it's just the natural course of how things work.

>how would they know whether or not it was in the wrong hands if they released the technique to the general public?
they wouldn't, they're not omniscent and bending already can be in the wrong hands anyways so I doubt much was done besides avoiding teaching it to shady people.

>Ozai was only the main villain for the last half of the third season before that at best he could be considered one of the main villains

he was the overarching villain of the show, we only got to see him more often in Season 3. That doesn't negate that he was the big bad main villain.

>>93034990
Damn right we would

>>93036700
>Because it's not really that big of a deal.

Are you a troll are you seriously this delusional they've kept it a secret for generations but now for no apparent reason decide to teach the public

>it's just the natural course of how things work.

No it's not military secrets don't get released to the public for no reason and you have yet to give me a reason why this should be an exception

>He was the overarching villain of the show

being the overarching villain in the main villain are two different things each season had a different main villain

>>93036834
>Are you a troll are you seriously this delusional they've kept it a secret for generations but now for no apparent reason decide to teach the public
It was only kept a secret because of corrupt regimes.

>No it's not military secrets don't get released to the public for no reason
haha it's not a military secret it's just a technique that's been kept a secret among the royal family and military by corrupt regimes.

> and you have yet to give me a reason why this should be an exception
noncorrupt regime decided to give knowledge.

>being the overarching villain in the main villain are two different things each season had a different main villain
nope.

>It has to be like this or it's wrong!!!
It seems to be doing just fine despite being wrong.
Pragmatically speaking, how is it wrong if the intended results are achieved?

>>93037066

you don't find it strange that characters constantly change height and proportions for no reason whatsoever?

>>93036138
He is a Latino.

>>93031764
I never would have realized that there was that much of a difference unless you just pointed it out now.

That's really bad.

>>93037155
>you don't find it strange that characters constantly change height and proportions for no reason whatsoever?
I can believe the gems can change height and proportions as they are a conscious manifestation of light. But the humans should stay consistent unless not-magic is involved or enough time passes that younger characters go through puberty.

>>93035672

On season 4 she´s a minor character that barely exist. Remember when she was a skilled sword-woman?

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Storyboarding is certainly more of an influence on the final product than the animation studio but when comparing eps from the same teams...

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>>93031764
It's not the storyboarders having too much power it's allowing poor standards as a whole pass through quality control. Forgive the poor comparison, but this would be like a high end video game company allowing its graphics team to do whatever they want with the textures and models to suit their individual needs. The only difference is that if that game company goes through with that then the players would never stand for it, and if it's a PC game they will just pirate the game and mod it to look better. With SU the fandom will glance over it because in reality they only care about their gem waifus.

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>>93037358

>>93032433
If art was a meme you could bullshit without anyone noticing, I would've already mastered it.

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>>93037384

>>93034958
Rebecca Sugar has little to no leadership/management skills but she gets to keep her show running because CN sees that it fills out the LGBTQRSTUVWXYZ quota

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>>93037405

>>93033107
They ignore it completely and allow themselves to stagnate and degrade. The fact that they still keep doing this shit, even with the latest bomb, is more than enough of a confirmation.

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>>93037447

>>93036083
>They can't even keep the hair consistent
I keep Steven Universe as background noise because then I will be able to focus on work, but for those of you who watch this show keenly how do you deal with this?

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>>93035672
Holy fucking damnit

>>93037439

They know their audience don't care or at least don't care enough to drop the show

>>93036921
man korra haters are some stupid fuckers

>>93037439
>They ignore it completely and allow themselves to stagnate and degrade
to be fair the latest episodes were storyboarded back last summer, which was at the genesis of the "su critical" trend
plus one of the storyboarders who's art everyone complains about (Raven Molisee) left, they shuffled the board teams, and there's a new overseas animation director on lamar eps

>>93037491
Accept the show has flaws and move on mostly
though I'm not a huge fan of it so I have less investment than others I think

>>93037497
As someone who casually enjoys the show, this.

If I find the story engaging enough the animation won't phase me whatsoever.

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>>93035811
>they didn't give the animators any model sheets
actually they DO have model sheets
model sheets that specifically say to adjust for the storyboards
though you're right about the lack of height comparisons

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>>93037463
What exactly are we supposed to be seeing here? Because I'm looking at all of these for a while now and I don't understand what these collages are supposed to be proving in regards to your first post and the thread topic.

>>93032367
>animated well but doesn't air regularly
>Gumball
Dude, Gumball is one of the most aired shows on the channel (alongside Teen Titans Go) get out of here with your asspulling

>>93037544
they're episodes grouped by overseas animation director

>>93037528
>I find the story engaging
>At least 2/3rds are boring filler or townie bullshit
>I find the story engaging

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>>93035500
>Lightningbending becoming a little more common.

It wasn't just that the technique was uncommon. It required extreme skill and a very specific mindset. What made it interesting is that in AtLA we only see evil people used it, because their mind is so focused and in a perverse way, clear. To reduce such an interesting and complex idea to just some dude's powering a city is a fucking joke. (And no it was not a clever statement they were making about how modern technology was making bending less important.)

The point of the comparison, is that you have 2 things that are interesting and unique, then are suddenly relegated to being neither for no story reason.

>combustion bender is not a bad thing
It's not that it's bad. It's just interesting that they both took a secondary villain with a small role that people thought were cool, and created another version with a larger role.

>cast of characters
Just comparing how they both went to annoying teens with angsty drama.

>The Wan story was great, and people's complaints about midi-chlorians are dumb
It's at this point that I realize I'm wasting time responding to you. You are literally a lost cause. Mostly developed some emotional attachment to the stories that you are defending outside of the basis of logic.

>Meelo was funny
See above.

>And TLOK had Good Villains
The comparison is that they both had interesting (in theory) villains trapped in shitty storytelling.

The picture is bizarre in it's accuracy, and bizarre in how Lucas and Bryke simultaneous ruined their own franchises by thinking they could do it themselves, revealing to the world they are shit writers.

And I didn't even make the picture. I only make the top part and later found another anon compiled it.

>>93032433
I agree that art consistency is the LEAST of Steven Universe's problems, but I think they should get a height chart or have a basic rules sheet or something.

>>93037561
Why does the director matter when we're all talking about storyboarders?

>>93033219
>Pearl and Lapis
That's Pearl and Bob on the left.

>>93037544
It's not supposed to prove anything, it's just another /sug/ bottom feeder come crawling out of the garbage to hasten the thread's pruning by dumping a huge distraction that also serves as subliminal advertisement. And you are foolishly being played by such an obvious trap.

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>>93037439
Ian was the only person to acknowledge the criticism of the inconsistent heights. His excuse? "We're not robots".

What fucking jokes these people are. Lauren Faust probably laughed her ass off when she heard about this.

>>93037575
because there is a quality difference in the final episodes when it comes to overseas animation director: Raven and Paul's Gem Drill and Earthlings, and The New Crystal Gems (animated at SMIP) look better than most of their Rough Draft Korea episodes, while Hilary and Zuke's Barn Mates, Beta, and Rocknaldo (animated at RDK) look worse than their SMIP episodes

>>93037633
if you read those tweets you can see the context (which was started when he was talking about the studios that are working on OK KO) has nothing to do with height inconsistencies

>>93037670
Are you sure? It seems he was referring to it. Even the people replying were bringing it up.

>>93037565
>It required extreme skill and a very specific mindset.
*according to Iroh, later disproven by deranged crazy Azula

>What made it interesting is that in AtLA we only see evil people used it, because their mind is so focused and in a perverse way, clear.
And what made it cool in Korra is seeing that the technique was being used for more than just evil purposes.

> To reduce such an interesting and complex idea to just some dude's powering a city is a fucking joke
Only if you're autistic.

>The point of the comparison, is that you have 2 things that are interesting and unique, then are suddenly relegated to being neither for no story reason.
Well that's a dumb point.

TLOK had more lightningbending to show the growth the world had gone through where people knew the technique and were using it for non-nefarious purposes.

The prequels had more lightsabers because we were seeing the Jedi before they went extinct.

>It's at this point that I realize I'm wasting time responding to you. You are literally a lost cause. Mostly developed some emotional attachment to the stories that you are defending outside of the basis of logic.
How about actually responding to me instead of making baseless assumptions?

>See above.
See above.

>The comparison is that they both had interesting (in theory) villains trapped in shitty storytelling.
Except neither had shitty storytelling. Maybe it was subpar at times but never just shitty.

>The picture is bizarre in it's accuracy,
*inaccuracy

> and bizarre in how Lucas and Bryke simultaneous ruined their own franchises
Except they didn't.

> by thinking they could do it themselves,
First of all, Bryke didn't do it themselves.

Second of all, Lucas asked people for help, they refused.

>revealing to the world they are shit writers.
Except they're not. They may not be the best, but they're far from the worst and nowhere near shitty.

>>93037718
it was him segueing into how CG and flash/toonboom animation (forms of animation people take for granted and call low effort) take a lot of work and man hours

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>>93037857
HER FEET ARE FUCKING TOOTHPICKS

>>93037633
>over 10k hand-drawn and inked drawings per episode
Who fucking cares if it's 10k? It could be 100k or a fucking million but they can't keep something so basic as consistent heights.

What a hack.

>>93037857
>>93035672
it's only a single storyboard team (Lamar and Katie, who did Buddy's Book and Doug Out) that draws connie like on the right

if you look you'll see that the other episodes with Connie in season 4 (Colin and Jeff with Takafumi Hori's Mindful Education, Colin's Gem Karaoke, Raven and Paul's The New Crystal Gems, Raven and Zuke's Are You My Dad?, and Hilary and Paul's I Am My Mom) draw connie with far more normal proportions

>>93037933
Why is Lamar so shit? I've never looked into the SU team but it seems like every time his name comes up it's because something is drawn like garbage, be it Peri and Lapis' giant hair or Amethyst looking fucking disgusting, and now midget Connie.

>>93033274
At least one artist is making light of the lack of consistency in drawing characters. By acknowledging their error they can now be more aware of it & correct it early.

>>93037987
his style took a turn for the worse when he was partnered with Katie (Steven's Birthday was the turning point)
he was also once partnered with hellen jo who actually ended up making him look good

thankfully Katie's now with Paul and Lamar was with Jeff for Off Colors (though I'm not sure if he'll stay with jeff or be partnered with Zuke; Lars' Head was Jeff with a new boarder Madeline Queripel)

>>93032367
>Animated well, but doesn't air on a regular schedule due to how tight they have to stretch the budget
>Gumball
That show airs as much as TTGO

>>93038021
Don't count on it.

>>93038021
that tweet was from a year ago, pretty sure if he actually improved the episode he's done recently wouldn't look as bad.

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>>93037719
>according to Iroh, later disproven by deranged crazy Azula

Because Byrke wrote the last 4 episodes, and are hacks unlike Aaron.

>And what made it cool in Korra is seeing that the technique was being used for more than just evil purposes.

You must be like those guys Mike and Jay always talk about that liked the prequels because it had flashy lightsaber battles.

>Well that's a dumb point.
I'm not surprised coming from korra apologist.

>TLOK had more lightningbending to show the growth the world had gone through where people knew the technique and were using it for non-nefarious purposes.

No it did not. There was no thought put into from Bryke.

>The prequels had more lightsabers because we were seeing the Jedi before they went extinct.

It wasn't that they had more lightsabers. It's that Obi just devised some makeshift training for Luke in the original. But then it turns out, oh no it's a standard issue jedi ball training. Also that yoda supposedly the top jedi is teaching a bunch kids is dumb.

>How about actually responding to me instead of making baseless assumptions?
You don't understand why Korra is flawed from story perspective. Bryke doesn't understand how to have their characters accomplish goals. They don't go on a journey, work for it, change, and then achieve something. They are just handed the answer. In AtLA the humans had to WORK they had to learn bending from the animals. But now we see like Bryke's shitty writing style, nope they are just giving the elements. And Wan is just giving the power as well. Plus E;R did a whole series explaining the rest of the dumbness behind it all.

If you think Milo's fart jokes are funny you're not old enough to be on this site.

>Except neither had shitty storytelling.
I will not spend the time required to answer this question.

>Bryke didn't do it themselves.
They took control of the writing.

> Lucas asked people for help
He should have tried harder. Especially after the disastrous first one.

>>93038083
given the timing we know, the eps lamar did after making that tweet were at least Doug Out (looked like crap) and Off Colors (looked decent when lamar was boarding)

>>93035672
>S1 Connie even has a face of "just what went so wrong?"

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>>93031764
The inconsistency is more a problem with the tv animation industry today.

Outsourcing has always been a thing, but the American studios used to do a lot of the work in-house. Model sheets existed so the overseas animators could keep characters consistent, because storyboards are rough drafts that have to be done quickly and might not be perfectly on-model in every panel.

Nowadays, the American studios (CN especially) only do storyboards and the bare minimum of design work, send everything overseas, and hope shit comes back looking acceptable. There's fuck all in the way of quality control, as we have seen in Steven Universe and (more notoriously) NuPPG. Some animators take the boards literally and wing it.

>>93038140
>Because Byrke wrote the last 4 episodes, and are hacks unlike Aaron.
Aaron wrote part 2 you dumfuck

>You must be like those guys Mike and Jay always talk about that liked the prequels because it had flashy lightsaber battles.
Oh, so you're an RLM drone, that explains a lot. And no, I didn't just like the prequels because of "flashy lightsaber battles".

>I'm not surprised coming from korra apologist.
I'm not surprised coming from a korrahater

>No it did not.
It literally did.

>There was no thought put into from Bryke.
Source?

>It's that Obi just devised some makeshift training for Luke in the original. But then it turns out, oh no it's a standard issue jedi ball training.
Oh, so you're mad that your assumption turned out to be wrong.

>Also that yoda supposedly the top jedi is teaching a bunch kids is dumb.
"A Jedi master teaching kids is dumb"

You can't be serious.

>You don't understand why Korra is flawed from story perspective.
It's not.

> Bryke doesn't understand how to have their characters accomplish goals. They don't go on a journey, work for it, change, and then achieve something. They are just handed the answer.
Untrue

> In AtLA the humans had to WORK they had to learn bending from the animals. But now we see like Bryke's shitty writing style, nope they are just giving the elements. And Wan is just giving the power as well.
They still learned from the animals you idiot. The LT only gave people the raw ability, the animals gave the martial art

>Plus E;R did a whole series
You can't seriously think his videos are good

>Milo's fart jokes
Meelo isn't just fart jokes.

>I will not spend the time required to answer this question.
Whatever, proves your claim is weak

>They took control of the writing.
along with several others

>He should have tried harder.
hard to "try harder" when Spielberg, Kasdan, Ron Howard, and Zemeckis all told him to go do it himself

>Especially after the disastrous first one.
TPM isn't that bad

>>93033274
>if I sarcastically point out my shortcomings, no one can judge me.

>>93036083
lamar a shit

>>93033916
I miss the first seasons of AT, they were fun.

>these two autists still arguing about Korra in a Steven Universe thread

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>>93032367
>TTG
>sizable audience

You lost me there.

>>93031764
God I fucking hate midget Peridot and midget Steven.

>>93031764
This is making me irrationally angry. How can anyone defend the right image?

>>93031764
>giving the story boarders too much power?
given that storyboarding is where the magic happens, i dont see how you can give them too much

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>>93035672
>quality animation
I'll wait while someone makes the retarded "it's not about animation, it's about the story" argument. There's categorically no way to defend this lack of competence, but I'll give you a chance.

>>93031764
6"0 vs 5"11

>>93035672
why do you retards keep falling for this

>>93035500
How can every point be so shitty and wrong?

>>93031764
Yes.
Not necessarily because they're bad but because it delegates waaaay too much responsibility to the storyboarder and I bet without giving them the extra time they'd sorely need for that . And their storyboards also have to work as layouts! So that means CN storyboarders have to do 3 jobs in one (writers, storyboarders, layout artists), and they don't have the time to do any of them properly.

Also a show like SU doesn't really lend itself to the board driven approach, unlike Adventure time which is more loose in terms of story amd visuals. SU has an ongoing story and needs to keep the characters' writing consistent, it would've been better if it had a proper script.

I've done a test for CN once, coming up with the text was the hardest part and was needlessly time consuming. I'm a decent storyboard artist but not much of a writer.

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>>93038791
The alternative would be say, CG, which by definition can't ever really be animated off-model, but also probably can't be as expressive as it was boarded.
Unless you're putting a really big budget into it, anyway.

>>93038931
shows with storyboard driven writing aren't exclusive to CN
Heck, not all of CN's shows are truly board driven (Calrence, nuPPG, and the ben 10 reboot all have very detailed and dialogue heavy outlines, giving boarders more control than script driven shows but less control than pure board driven shows)

>>93032433
For one thing because the storyborder themselfs also have some freedom over the episodes plot. See that whole barn shit

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>>93031764
holy fuck

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>>93033219
>>93035672
GOD DAMMIT SUCROOOOOOOSE!!

>>93033033
I like raven and Paul
Raven got more crappy at the end tho, like the peridot in OPs pic

But shes gone now

>>93037155
I never said it wasn't strange.
Only that it wasn't necessary for it to be one way or the other.

>>93038140
>>93038335
Make your own thread, autists.

>>93038337
>bitching about someone who's doing something with their life and living the dream
never change /co/

>>93039539
they do every day and bitch about the same shit

>>93037311
>>93037329
>>93037358
why has ian forsaken us

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What do expect when Sugtard hires of bunch of rank amateurs?

>>93039620
It's Ian's fault we have this shit in the first place.

>>93037565
>What made it interesting is that in AtLA we only see evil people used it
Iroh used it.

> It required extreme skill and a very specific mindset. What made it interesting is that in AtLA
Which they immediately shit on and have Azula being able to do it despite clearly being in the wrong state of mind.

Two wrongs don't make a right, but you can't blame LoK for something without blaming ATLA for it too.

>>93036138
Paul? What about fucking Lamar and Katie? Their drawings are the worst of the bunch!

>>93032433
A little fucking consistency isn't THAT much to ask for, this isn't like demanding all games to look like fucking Crysis, this is about keeping your characters looking fucking consistent.

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>>93031764

This is like playing the Chinese whispers in a drawing form.

>>93039550
>fuck you for criticizing someone for not doing the job they're paid to do properly

Anybody's got that fan animation of Peridot reforming naked in front of Yellow Diamond with star hair?

>>93031764
Maybe maybe not. I think
Everyone from executives, writers, artists, and writers should have a balance.

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>>93031764
No, the fandom have too much power

>>93032172
>pros

>>93033131
>steven universe is really hard and complex art you guys!
Fuck off back to deviantart, retard.

>>93038337
reminds me of that furry guy with the tiny heads.
You know the ass hurt is real when they resort to that fake self laughing.

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>>93035878
>>93036009
>>93036096

>Get BTFO
>Too lazy to justify opinion, but still keeps replying

>>93038140
>Because Byrke wrote the last 4 episodes, and are hacks unlike Aaron.

I like how the longer you go on, the more you inadvertently end up shitting on TLA. Also, 99% of that post was just 'NUH UH'.

>>93032433
Holy fuck go back to tumblr

>>93037930
This. Gravity Falls was 30 mins, had a pretty similar artstyle, AND remained consistent.

>>93039550
>Haha I can't do my job properly aren't I so funny? xD

>>93035500
>Jango is better than Boba

???

>>93037267
Connie was always non-existent. I never understood why the show tries to play her up as a major character when she's gone for long stretches of time.

>>93034885
Most of these don't even fit.

>>93037719
>according to Iroh, later disproven by deranged crazy Azula

Azula was possibly the most skilled firebender we see in the show only surpassed by Iroh

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>>93031764
It's not that, it's that they got cheap and can't afford retakes anymore.
>>93032367
No, just Turner, Warner Bros still spend money on their DTV movies (mainly their Scooby Doo & Tom & Jerry DTV movies).
>>93034885
Ren & Stimpy will like to have a word with you.
>>93034990
That had a excuse, each director was nothing like the other, the last /co/ show to truly take advantage of that was Pinky, Elmyra and The Brain when Rough Draft's episodes looked nothing like Wang's episodes.

>>93035397
She was. Honestly, she was reduced to a horrible meme gremlin, when she was actually a fairly dangerous antagonist at the beginning, and extremely competent.

Just give her back her Limb Enhancers and let her be a competent technician-pilot again during the inevitable attack on Homeworld.

>>93035330
Yes, which when binge-watching (which is not recommended) is very noticeable.

Then you got errors like Pearl's two right hands in "Last One Out of Beach City" where were boarded and carried over to the final product. Someone at SIMP, or even Sugar herself should have noticed that anatomical error and either corrected it or sent it back for a retake.

Which is part of the reason why there should eb at least SOME standards when it comes to letting boarders handle a show- Give them some freedom, but also keep them on a leash when it comes to things like heights, proportions or easy to catch errors. If the artist has a distinct style, then by all means go ahead. But make sure they also use reference sheets to make sure the character's as correct as possible.

tl;dr: SU's boarders need to stop fucking up.

>>93033213
>height ratios
it's not even just that, facial structure and arm width have zero consistency

>>93038639
Kids, anon. You know, the real demographic for cartoons.

>>93044852
Are you saying you never had taste as a kid?

>>93032502
Partly it's places like imgur, reddit and tumblr stealing shit from 4chan and taking delight in a marginal attachment to something they consider edgy. Many of them took one step further and moved to the site.

>>93044945
Back then we were given a variety of things to form a taste. Now it's just TTG and widget series.

>>93032491
Why's there so little Peridot feet?

>>93032956
Why Is Lapis constantly clench fists?
Is she constantly angry? Thirsty for Steven? or green goblin?