Best Transformers Show

>>93026057
Why was blackarachnia so hot

it's because you were a kid at the time

>>93026173
big robot titties

>>93026057
Good writing.

>>93026057
That's not how you write Beas- OHWAITYOUREACTUALLYRIGHTNVMTHEN.

>>93026057

The consistent story-line and actual consequences in the show.

Characters died, and unlike most kid shows where they came back when bots died in beast wars they stayed dead. (except for dinobot, but he was cloned, and Optimus, but he did it so many times that the show itself called him on it.)

It also helped that the characters were awesome and entertaining, the voice work was good and still holds up even now, and everyone chewed the scenery like a pig in a trough, lookin' at you Megatron.

>>93026057

Because it was so isolated it made following the series bible incredibly easy. No need to introduce new characters each episode, or new plot elements just to drive one episode. It could have back and forth victories because of the perpetual stuckness of it.

I wish the show had a bigger budget, losing Airrazor, tigatron, terrorsaur and not getting many new characters was a bit of a loss. Rotating around a slightly fuller cast could have been interesting, but seeing characters have to go and getting stuck with one-dimensional villains was unfortunate.

Also it stems from a time in the 90's where everyone was making hit action/drama shows for kids. Batman, X-men, they treated young adults, like... well adults, and din't just try to fart in their face. The competition meant each show had to try. We got such gems as beast wars, Gargoyles, reboot and such. Nowadays, spastic bullshit reigns supreme.

>>93029251
>such gems as beast wars, Gargoyles, reboot and such. Nowadays, spastic bullshit reigns supreme.

For every Beast Wars or Batman there was a Cowboys of Moo Mesa or Extreme Dinosaurs

Always good and bad regardless of what the current trend is, same goes for now

>>93026173
She's based on a Asian stripper.

>>93026057
rattrap and dinobot were fun, always squabbling but actually be bros that respected each other.

too bad beast machines was shit.
who thought it was a good idea to have them run away for the entire first season and then have rhynox go bad?

>>93030960

Even then, those were of a different genre. Those were more a take on ninja turtles. Moo Mesa was before batman TAS success and it spawned the more serious young adult shows. Anything in the 90-94 is hitcing off of TMNT success. Cartoons took a while to produce greenlit. So it took a while for copy cats to come out. Some did manage to fly out the next year, some did not. We certainly saw different kinds of shows spill out in the 94-98 era of cartoons.

What young adult shows are there today? Rebels? Young Justice? Everything is very much tied to the biggest franchises.

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>>93026057
Animated was as good as BW. Maybe even better

animals are cool
robots are cool
make them fight and its hella cool

>>93033550
Especially when some of them are animal FUSIONS

>>93033186
I don't know that I'd consider any show with action figures to be a young adult show

I see what you're saying, but they're all just kids action shows to me, some just happen to be better than others. I don't think think "young adult" was even a demographic anybody considered until like Toonami Midnight Run and Adult Swim started to come out, stuff like Gargoyles, Beast Wars, and Batman all aired at the same time slots as all the other kids shows and sold toys to that same demographic, young boys

>>93033496
No.

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>>93034363
Yes

>>93028122
Rewatched as adult

Can confirm still the best

>>93034303
>I don't know that I'd consider any show with action figures to be a young adult show

Even game of thrones and walking dead have action figures. Its too easy these days to cash in.

Young adult existed in the 90's. The 13-25 crowd was pretty big on shows like Reboot, spider-man x-men. Its why they got to air at different hours. you're wrong about that. Airing weekly at 3:30 vs saturday morning is very different. Many got treated differenly once their success was proven. Got to advertise in gaming magazines, it was a different market share. The goal was always younger boys, but it was realized as an untapped market in 90's and still carries today.

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>>93034522

no.. it wasn't

>>93028286
>>Yeeeessssssss
>>No!
>>But yeeesssss

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Best series with the best versions of certain characters coming through.

>>93033496
It was good but one must consider that that was due to taken a few inspirations from BW such as the war being over and an Optimus that was just a captain rather than supreme commander.

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>>93034919
Best Starscream

>>93034601
>Even game of thrones and walking dead have action figures. Its too easy these days to cash in.
That's these days though, literally everything has an action figure since "nerd chic" has blown up, these are days where comic con is not a convention for sweaty nerds but a multi media destination

And yes, I was wrong about the young adult demo not existing now that I think about it, but I still don't consider any of those shows to be part of it....they were put out as kids shows but some just happened to have more merit than others. To me the "young adult" shows of the day would have been things like Daria, Beavis and Butthead, Aeon Flux, etc etc, certainly not any of the toyetic shows of the day or capeshit aside from maybe HBO's Spawn

Then again maybe we have different ideas on what constitutes as "young adult", to me it would be 16 at the earliest to 25 at the latest, certainly not 13

I remember a series where the gimmick was these Cybertron keys that would activate some special thing when it was inserted. Man that was fucking cool, especially when one of the transformers became a lion, and his key made claws shoot out.

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>>93033496
This. Animated is pure Transformers Kino

>>93028151

"When we get outta here, I'll take you to a place where the fembots walk around without their chestplates on."

God that show was amazing.

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>>93035596
>that hub logo
I miss it

>>93032493
Was there EVER any Mainframe female characters not based on a Canadian stripper?

>>93035919
kid AndrAIa?

>>93035254

Even still 16-25 is an age commonly seen to have a bit of a disposable income. It's why we got more and more video game tie-ins which weren't yet marketed to kids under 8 at that time. You're not wrong on those MTV shows being young adult, but they're mostly comedy shows.

You have to remember Im saying it changed DURING this time. There is a difference between ReBoots first season and last. Or Justice League coming in the wake of Batman and Superman shows.

They're "young" adult, still not "adult" shows though. Beavis & Butthead delved away from that with "mature" notices.

It was a competitive window in time that was all but destroyed by anime. Why make a new show when you could just dub gundam, or dragon bll z?

>>93035929
You're only half right.

>>93035919
Airrazor doesn't seem to be particularly sexualized.

>>93035596
this is the best starscream prove me wrong

>>93036099
He was, if you ask me, certainly the most successful one in cartoon form.

But I really like Prime's design more.

>>93036097

Only black arachnia on beast machines was too. Strikka and Bontanica seem more toned down.

God lord are all the Reboot ladies very hookerish looking season 3 on. Dot, Mouse, AndrAIa, hexadecimal. like....geezz.....

>>93035944
See I don't even consider Justice League a young adult show even if it appealed to some adults, to me it was a kids action show, and you bring up DBZ which I view the same way....kids action show in my personal opinion, it ended up seeming more mature to adolescents though in the West because Japan is more lenient towards whats acceptable in a show put out for kids, but still put out for kids nonetheless.

I'll put it this way, I don't think any show that was truly "young adult" in terms of it's primary demographic could ever have Happy Meal toys or have merch at TRU

That being said, action shows have sort of faded out in popularity since around the 09/2010 era but that's because they dominated during the 90s and 00s, trends just change, same reason hair metal died and grunge died and nu metal died and etc etc, cartoons are no different, whats popular will eventually become stale and a new thing will take over, but action shows certainly still exist that took themselves seriously on some level and would have fit right in with the 90s crop they just took a backseat to other shows, we've had Transformers Prime, G.I Joe Renegades, Beware The Batman, Tron Legacy, and hell even the recent TMNT was mature compared to the original show despite it's cutesy design, and Transformers Animated as well wasn't exactly purely aimed super young kids like say Rescue Bots....in short, action cartoons never went anywhere really, they're just not that popular now, maybe because other types of shows have proven to have merit which weren't previously expected to, much like in the 90s certain action shows were proven to have merit and be different than most of their 80s predecessors which were largely seen as little more than toy commercials by the more critical of viewers

>>93036317
What shows do you consider "young adult"? Not to say I call the shows that have been put into question as young adult. They were simply children's shows that treated their audience with the same respect afforded a mature person.

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>>93033496
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ql-4Mp_jPU
Who's death hurt more?

>>93036317

Beavis and Butthead DID have merch at Toys R Us, so Im not really sure I get your argument. I think you just want to ignore what other people did or how things were seen.

If you dont consider batman, beast wars, gargoyles ect. young adult what programming of the same time period do you consider to be? If none, then you're basically saying that companies folded on the idea of selling things to people from age 14-25.

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>>93036529
Good news.

You can relieve his death again and again soon.

>>93036317

Justice league was an hour long prime time show, the constantly dealt with themes above what a 7 year old should see, if that's not a tier up from kids show, idk wtf you're thinking.

>>93036584
>Beavis and Butthead DID have merch at Toys R Us
Yeah idk maybe not a great point, so ignore that part of my post and consider the rest of it.

My argument is that just because some kids shows have adult fanbases doesn't mean they aren't kids shows nonetheless. I don't consider somebody who is 14 years old to be "young adult", I consider them to be a kid. To me young adult would imply late teens and early 20s, and only the nerds of which age groups would still be watching super hero media and related things, aka people who still watch stuff perceived by their peers to be....you know, for kids, because it's put out for kids

>young adult what programming of the same time period do you consider to be?
Also answering >>93036460
I already said, stuff like Daria, Beavis and Butthead, Aeon Flux, stuff that was clearly put out to target older kids and young adults, not coincidentally having a following from specific pockets of them

>>93036712
>Justice league was an hour long prime time show, the constantly dealt with themes above what a 7 year old should see
Says who? Mind if I ask how old you are?

>>93036617
His raptor mode looks like a boat with limbs.

>>93036908

I keep having to ignore and correct you on a lot of things. I'll just have to agree to disagree? you're being pretty chill about it, but I just think youre drawing the lines in the sand in odd places. If anything ever had anything sexual in it, I can tell you that was for the young adult audience. Anyway, back to beast wars.

Fox generally made kids shows and WB was more open to the market of teenagers. Beast Wars was made for syndication, its a shame fox got it beast machines would have been way better on WB. Fox was so anal about every little punch. The heroes probably would have been allowed laser guns on WB. I wish hasbro would revisit beast wars. Marvel and DC house huge universes, why not branch out transformers more?

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>>93037137
>If anything ever had anything sexual in it, I can tell you that was for the young adult audience.
I don't remember any of the shows we're talking about being sexual....and if they were it was in a tongue in cheek nature that was common in 90s kids shows, it was a different time, innuendo was common. Animaniacs had tons of sexual jokes.

>Marvel and DC house huge universes, why not branch out transformers more?
The issue there is that the story has been completed, Beast Wars was eventually made canon to G1, a direct continuation, and BM was a direct continuation of it and served as an ending. That being said it has been explored with the IDW Beast Wars comics which took place during the later part of Beast Wars and ended right before the events of Beast Machines and even made use of most of the characters who never got to appear in the show in major or minor roles, I don't know how much more they could really milk that particular continuity considering it already ended, without retconning BM of course which honestly I really wouldn't have an issue with.

Then there's also the Japanese BW shows, but those are complete ass.

>>93037594

Man, you're really a buzzkill.

>>93028286

The writers actually knew very little of Transformers so they did their own thing and it worked. They were surprised when people started shouting out things from the original that they never intended that way at all. For example they just wanted to blow up a moon and because they couldn't they put in a second. Only after a while did they realize this and started doing some lose research after pointers from the original Transformers.

>>93038269
I'm simply answering your question. You claim to want more Beast Wars media, I told you it exists.

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>>93036099
The loyal, honorable warrior one exists.

>>93035258

That would be Transformers: Cybertron.

>>93039296
I will forever love the Unicron trilogy despite its faults for giving us (at least) two Unicron models and a Primus.

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>>93026057
>We will never get a TF show with Beast Wars tier writing and TFP tier animation
Why live?

>>93039292
A shame he was stuck in a shitty show

>>93039357
You never know, Transformers shows have a short lifespan. I've been alive since G1 was still lingering on the airwaves and I've seen every one of the 10 shows since, you got that many years left in you?

>>93039112
>I don't think outside the box and don't know what sex is

Yea.... sounds fun autist, do you also explain to people why posting on /co/ is pointless?

Im saying hasbro can make more, and you're like "nope, done" cause, ya know, a new series is impossible with all the damn movies and shows they make all the time.

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>>93039357
>we will never get a big crossover between all TF shows
Feels bad, man. I just want to see a multiversal team of Starscreams

>>93039471
>They lose to the universal team of Megatrons as destiny would have it

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>>93039489
>multiversal team of Megatrons
>BW Megatron gets bullied for being technorganic

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Is Beast Wars: Uprising any good? The comics have been meh to god awful lately (except for TAAO but that is unfortunately ending) and the current cartoon doesn't do much for me so I was thinking of checking out the prose side of things.

>>93039447
>Im saying hasbro can make more, and you're like "nope, done" cause, ya know, a new series is impossible with all the damn movies and shows they make all the time

A new Transformers series has existed ever since the franchise started, you casual faggot. The Beast Era is done, deal with it. It would make absolutely no sense to go back to it if you actually knew jack shit about what you were talking about.

>>93026057
Is that dude in the back left a shark? I don't remember there being a shark.

>>93039568
>The comics have been meh to god awful lately (except for TAAO but that is unfortunately ending)
I just want Power of the Primes to start already. Or hell it doesn't even have to be that. Just let Onyx Prime fuck shit up already.

>>93026057
It avoided the biggest problem with every other transformers series, the human characters.

>>93039574
>go back

See, this is the "can't think outside the box" attitude I was talking about. I know what Im talking about, but look at you. You're like...

>A new Transformers series has existed ever since the franchise started,

Like...this is your big point. You're seriously, a fucking retard

>hurr durr beast era is done, hasbro couldn't possibly do rebooted beast wars along side another show. One franchise, one show

DC has multiple shows and movies going, marvel. Star Trek, Star Wars, other sprawling franchises that have had overlap in their medium.

>It would make absolutely no sense to go back

Let me guess, you're one of those people that's happy when a movie adapts something from a comic, even if its dumb or doesn't fit the narrative cause "the comic did it" so the movie "did the comic justice" Right? Deviation and change is bad, right?

I always forget transformers fans attracts the most autistic people ever.

>>93039568
Alone Together was fun and Transmutate is hot

>>93037594
>Then there's also the Japanese BW shows, but those are complete ass.
Lies, BWII was a good time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jz2ae8uzhiQ

>>93039623
He was a manta ray desu

>>93026057
That's not Rescue Bots

>>93039568
It's great. Broken Windshields is a weak start and Intersectionality is too long for its own good, but everything else is fantastic.

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>>93040791

>>93033496
>Animated was as good as BW. Maybe even better
This is objectively correct.
considering both were rather bad cartoon shows.

However
No show was better at being bad than the original.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFUDJzHaBOU

Soooo is the new Lost Light out? Is it any good?

>>93040550
>DC has multiple shows and movies going, marvel. Star Trek, Star Wars, other sprawling franchises that have had overlap in their medium.

So does Transformers? Multiple shows out on the air, 3 to be exact at the very moment at least in the US, and multiple comic universes

Beast Wars was a specific storyline that is part of the G1 timeline. Sure, COULD you recreate it? Yes, but why would you? Would you do it the same way? Then you would just be copying what has already been done, are you talking about just using more beast formers? They've been a thing since G1 and continue to exist in nearly every series

I'd really like to hear your brilliant synopsis for "going back to Beast Wars" because I really bet you've put absolutely zero thought into this

>>93039568
BW:U is pretty inconsistent with its quality but it's worth reading just for all of the insane, weird ideas they come up with.

Be warned though, you'll come out of it wanting several toys that do not and will never exist.

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>>93041118

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>>93036140
The Transformers: Prime version is definetly one of my favorites.
Watching him bitch and/or suffer is such a treat, even his clipshow episode is good.

>>93041332
Not to seem like CIS SCUM or whatever here, but I feel like TFP Screamer did a great job at visually capturing what the character always kinda was....

A bitchy gay guy

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>>93034951
>It was good but one must consider that that was due to taken a few inspirations from BW

nigga that is the fucking definition of how to make a good sequel. You take what worked from the previous instalments, add a few new ideas and buff out the mangled shit that didn't work.

>>93026057
>try to stream beast wars after it was taken off netflix
>every site is 360p garbage
The show's visual quality isn't the best, so anything less than HD makes it look like I put blocky vaseline on my screen.

Anyone got an HD stream or do I need to go full torrent?

>>93041332
>Watching him bitch and/or suffer is such a treat

MMM, YOU BET

>>93039542
That makes sense. I mean, it's the only possible way the other megatrons could stand a chance.

>>93041692
>it's the only possible way the other megatrons could stand a chance
What is Barnie capable of?

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>>93041526
> the way he moved
> those slutty stilettos
I think I get you. It's no wonder this Starscream has tons of gay fanart on Pixiv.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMQXbN1578M

>>93041031
Depends. Do you like Megatron-wank?

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>>93042036
It's my least favorite kind of wank.

>>93041733
Rule Cybertron, for one.

>>93041625
You literally can't watch Beast Wars in HD, it was rendered for standard definition.

>>93036097
I heard Airrazor was dubbed as a male character in some countries

>>93042488
>Airazor's gender in the Hasbro line is due to Beast Wars story editors Bob Forward and Larry DiTillio's insistence. The original Airazor toy wasn't developed with a specific gender in mind, and Bob & Larry wanted a larger female presence in the show, and the Airazor toy seemed as good a choice as any. They requested the change early enough that the toy's packaging bio could have its pronouns changed to female.
>In the Japanese dub of Beast Wars, Airazor was made male.

>When the pair are attacked, they both express their love for one another in dialogue primarily unchanged from the English version. Their romantic attraction was a very spontaneous change in the Japanese version of the series and Japanese magazine editors, responding to letters from confused young fans, gently explained the situation. From the letters page of the Beast Wars Club magazine
>Question: "If Tigatron and Airazor are both boys, how come they were flirting when the Aliens abducted them?"
>Answer: "Even among humans there are boys who both love (like) each other. In the case of Tigatron and Airazor, they had been fighting together for a long time and as their emotions increased, their friendship turned to feelings of love. 'Transform', indeed!"

>>93026057

The animation was on a tight budget preventing the writers from adding too many characters, so they had to write the few that they had very well.

The writers also had a lot of creative freedom as well or something. There's a video on youtube that goes into some good detail on how the whole series was made, but I don't remember the name of it.

>>93026057
Because it's just prime

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>>93041837
God, Prime Starscreams was a fucking pussy. Animated was a real robot:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUzcSBVm3xk

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>>93042806
Even Animated's Starscream poked fun at his inherently effeminate nature

>>93043326
you can be a yaoiboy wearing heels and not be a pussy, surprisingly

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>>93043474
>Starscream
>Not a pussy

>>93039471
>Universal Trilogy Starscream confuses all of the other Starscreams.

>>93039568
What exactly is Beast Wars: Uprising? Google just mentions its a comic series but it doesnt really mention how many there are or much detail at all. Where can one purchase said comics?

>>93045433
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Beast_Wars:_Uprising

>>93026057
No, animated was the best show.

>>93044020
>hasn't seen armada

>>93047507
Armada Starscream is THE LEAST pussy starscream there is, wtf are you talking about

>>93047689
wait i'm dumb, nevermind

>>93047689
bitch that was MY FUCKING POINT

>>93047739
bitch you had a full 62 seconds to read my admission of error

>>93047789
yeah I was thinking should I use one of my Perceptor reaction images

>>93033496
>Give Animated a chance
>Dat fuckin' Lugnut
>I want him in everything forever
>He's been in exactly nothing ever since

>Meanwhile, Bulkhead got to be in Animated's follow up show, and kinda sorta in the live acton movies (Hound is just a Bulkhead/Kup mashup)

WHY

>>93047936
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Lugnut_(TF_2010)

>>93048017
>http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Lugnut_(TF_2010)
Yes, I have that toy, but I was speaking more from a story perspective.

The closest we've had is IDW constantly teasing Lugnut with random ass cameos, but they never fucking delivered.

>>93048085
you said
>exactly nothing

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>>93047936
>>93048085
WE. WANT. OUR. BOY
WE. WANT. OUR. BOY

>>93048156
I also only cited movies/cartoons, and not toylines, otherwise, I would have brought Kre-Os (which did have both Lugnut and Bulkhead) and whatnot into the conversation, but at this point, we're just quibbling over semantics.

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>>93036617

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>>93047936
Because in Animated Decepticons were OP as fuck. They were bigger and stronger than the Autobots and you needed several Autobots to fight a single Decepticon. So, instead of being "the enemies of the week" they were the powerful, endgame enemies. That is why Animated has so much human villains.

>>93041087
>going back to Beast Wars

I wouldn't. I told you multiple times, I would not "literally" go back. That's you though. Autistic transformers fans who argue over semantics, word usage and can't think outside the box.

>Then you would just be copying what has already been done

That's you. That's how you think.

>because I really bet you've put absolutely zero thought into this

It doesn't take much to come up with a new idea, I could toss out half a dozen approaches, but the fact that YOU can't comprehend ONE is more telling. Me spewing pitches/fan fiction won't make you a better thinker. You'll still be stuck in you're little box.

>>93026057

>>93050455
>Autistic transformers fans who argue over semantics, word usage and can't think outside the box.
I think the word you mean to use is "canon", and yes us "autistic" Transformers fans do argue about that, just as any fandom does because -gasp- we're invested in the franchise we're a fan of!

>It doesn't take much to come up with a new idea, I could toss out half a dozen approaches, but the fact that YOU can't comprehend ONE is more telling. Me spewing pitches/fan fiction won't make you a better thinker. You'll still be stuck in you're little box.

I already said I'd like to hear your ideas, I don't see how it's possible. Beast Wars only made sense because of the very specific events that made it happen, both in universe and out of universe, Jap BW sucked because it only existed to be "more BW" to sell more toys, which is what I feel like your ideas would be but you're free to actually be productive to the conversation and explain yourself, even though you won't

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>>93036167
>very hookerish looking season 3 on

will we ever have another show with Maximals and Predacons?

>>93051577
Animated and Prime both had predacons.
Maximals and Predacons don't really get along so getting both into the same show is always tricky.

>>93051577
>>93051670
Sari was a Maximal

>>93042274
Okay fine, but the streams I can find still look much worse than the Netflix version.

>>93028122
Can you fucking blame them for not liking the Gen2 cartoon and Beast Machines? Or Robots in Disguise? You wanna know what Megatron fucking turned into in Robots in Disguise? A FUCKING HAND.

>>93041733
Take over Cybertron.
Not being a retreating bitch.

>Gen1ers like machines turning into machines
>Complained when Beast Wars came out

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>BEAST WARS SUCKED
Then how come it spawned three fucking sequel series?

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Fucking revive Beast Wars. Here, here's the toy line.

>>93053909
>Dry Spell
>Mudflap
kek
Can't think of a name for that orangutan. But his function must be librarian.

>>93042806
That's doing more to sell me on Animated Megatron than on Starscream.

>>93053909
>a tick
FUCK YOU ANON!

>>93054041
At least he didn't choose a bedbug. I can't even fathom why the big G even created those fuckers.

I've been working on a Bayformers universe Beast Wats fan script.

>>93053995
https://youtu.be/N95VcdL2z6k

>>93053875
>human hands
EITHER GO FULL HOG OR GO HOME
BRING ON THOSE SEXY CLAWS

>>93053909
>Optimus is an orangutan
This triggers my autism

>>93051413
>but you're free to actually be productive to the conversation and explain yourself, even though you won't

says the guy that's just being a sourpuss and doesn't want more beast wars and is shitting on BWII and BW Neo. Im not that anon, by why the hell would they post ideas when you're just shitting on stuff that already exists? There's a big damn difference in quality from BWII and BW Neo, but I bet you don't which is shit and which is good, cause you're freely shitting on both.

>>93054595
Nah. Optimus Primal would be seen a few times, but Ursa Major is Ultra Magnus.

>>93053626
Also a dragon, also a two headed dragon, also a jet, also a car, also a boat as well as some other stuff.

>>93036617
> still no BW Megatron.

ONE JOB TAKARA! ONE JOB!!! YEEEEESSSSSSS!!

>>93051577

They've tiptoed around the idea that some form of "beast wars' exists in the movieverse. I pray michael bay doesn't get his hands on this concept. I assume the end battle would simply be rhinox farting.

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>>93039542
> then becomes endgame Megatron with endgame out of nowhere.

It is kind of crazy how Beast Wars had even the good guys with some horrific details to them like using internal organs as weapons or exposed bones in their limbs.

>>93054834
>Rattrap's toy had an exposed brain
>Mainframe wanted to make him retarded
>And have gimpy limbs, like one arm shorter then the other.
>Couldn't partake in battles due to being hooked up to an external heart machine

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>>93054741
> that remold into BW Megatron.
> I will never own this glorious grail.


DAMN YOU FUNPUB!!!

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>>93054856
>Was originally going to be the first protoform instead of Tigertron.

>>93054890
if it makes you feel any better, they fucked it up (as usual for funpub):
- dragon eyes had no paint
- used a BM dinobots spark crystal instead of a predacon one

>>93054985


Oh, I heard. They had a "sticker" sheet to fix the flaws.

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>>93054782
>gets fucked by Prime Megatron asspulls

>G1 megatron
>I TURN INTO A GUN
>I NEED THE PERSON WHO BETRAYS ME THE FUCKING MOST TO AIM AND POINT ME AND PULL MY COCK TRIGGER

>Beast Era
>I'm a fucking T-rex. I don't take betrayal well. I scrapped my version of StarScream several times before he learned his lesson. I then get a dragon form. And almost erase Autobots from History. Oh, and I took over Cybertron in a matter of years.

Gee, which one's better.

>>93033496
Everything in your post is a damned lie.

The only thing to come out of that disaster that was any good was the Decepticon catch phrase.

>>93041837
man Prime Starscream was so goddamn fabulous.
He's irresistible

>>93055283
>and I took over Cybertron in a matter of years.
This never happened.
BM is considered a fever dream by Cheetor after he chugged too much of Rattraps energon moonshine.

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>>93055246
> BW Megatron wields the darksaber.

>>93055322
>It was still canon to Beast Wars II and Beast Wars Neo

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>>93055322

> Let's start with the Beast Wars. It's over. You lost.

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>>93055356
>Ywn watch a 3d render version of beast wars big convoy decimating puny predacons

How come Beast Wars hasnt came back?

>>93055468
Gen1 fans legit sent death threats to Mainframe, and Fox. Not all of them, mind you. Mainly the psycho bitch one who though Gen1 was surpassed by Gen2. She has her own page on the tfwiki.

>>93055468

It come "back" since maximals/predacons are featured in comics

I think the most recent one was they all live on some planet thats not cybertron

>>93055438
Here's all the beast wars characters that have 3D renderings outside the show:
>Snapper
>Armordillo
>Dead End
>Break
>Insecticon
>Transquito
>B'Boom
>Cybershark

>>93055468
The entire idea and AU was fucked harder then a big bootied blonde dyke in an all black frat by Beast Machines.

Beast Wars, the transformers in that AU? It's done.

>>93055438
Big and Lio are some of the sexiest fucking TF designs out there.

>>93055468

Maximals/Predacons are regulated to subfactions now

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>>93053909
>An antlion larva Predacon

If his robot mode resembles an adult antlion, it just might be the best thing ever

>>93055568
what about Scuba?

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>>93055534

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>>93055290
The man with no taste. Animated was a masterpiece. It got the best Megatron.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3yglXX_I6k

>>93036529
You've been judged accordingly.

Too good for this sinful world.

The rest is silence.

>>93055707
>has his mortal enemy at its mercy but lets it escape by attacking one of its own
I mean starscream is always scheming something but he could deal with him anytime he wanted after destroying optimus

>People wanting a remake of Beast Wars

Let's face facts though, a remake would not even be remotely as good.

In the first place, part of what made Beast Wars good was it's tie-in to G1 which gave Megatron a HUGE endgame.

If a remake had that same hook, it would be a cheap remake, and if it DIDN'T it would be an unending Season 1 BW

The second knock against it is the small cast + devoted fans.
If you remake it, people will DEMAND the exact same guys, and with the exact same characterization. And since the last few shows have dealt with very small teams, you have very little wiggle room for the core team. It'd be different if they decided to just give us two armies at war, but if they don't?

What makes G1 ripe for being remade over and over is that it had a cast of a couple hundred that you can cherry pick from.
Beast Wars (as far as the toon is concerned) had like 10 Maximals and about the same amount of Predacons.

So, basically, your options are 1) do something new and get met with the same "NOT MUH" bitching that G1ers get accused of or 2) a 1:1 recreation of the original show with better animation, at which point you might as well just watch reruns.

>>93055828
Or just have Galvatron or Soundwave become the new BW antagonist, and start Beast Wars 4, and have all the characters who didn't get in the show and new ones.

>>93055815
>his mortal enemy
In Animated Optimus was a literally who. For Megatron, he was just a random kid.

>>93055828

and 2 die before anything big happened for them

>>93055815
See >>93055817

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>>93055861
> Galvatron.
> Soundwave.


I have these choices lacking any logic. Now pic related that is logical antagonist.

I always liked how Rampage and Silverhawk bonded over a freak that one episode

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>>93055875
>2

More like 4
(assuming you meant these guys, Scorponok and Terrorsaur didn't get to do much either)

>>93055871
>>93055925
Well shit, my bad newbie optimus?!
...why?

>>93055933
Galvatron was always the 3rd big bad behind Megatron and Unicron, I thought? Hell, have him be the bad guy, then have Starscream's immortal spark come back or someshit.

>>93055965

Dinobot and Depth charge right?

They left the water one to fuck around in the ocean most of the time

>>93055986
Same kind of deal as BW, Rookie Captain get thrown in over his head and has to take on the greater mantle of leader.

Animated goes a bit farther contextualizing it and having Optimus go through some character development.

>>93055965
>>93055951

Beast Wars had alot of romance for a transformers show that still kinda pops up to this day

>Razorhawk and Tigertron
>Silverbolt and Black Aracnhia
>Rampage and Transmutate

>>93056051
You forgot
>Megatron and Dinobot

>>93056051
>Razorhawk

Air Razor

Unless Razorhawk is some kinda regional name

>>93056051
Now, rampage was a lovable idiot most of the time but shipping him with transmutate just seems wrong

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>>93056072
Bullshit

Everyone knows it was Dinobot x Rattrap and Megatron x Duckie

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>>93055817

>>93056117

They kinda do with the Transmutate who doesnt look like a microwaved mistake

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>>93056139

>>93055828
1.No one wants a remake exactly. Only a continuation.
2.That cast of a hundred? They never went above a dozen in the original. At best they'd give a single dimension to a random character and that's it. They also had a shit ton of people in orbit they could pull down at any time.
3.Name 3 major animated entries in TF where A Megatron wasn't the badguy

>>93056135

> friend knew I was a HUGE BW Megatron fan.
> she was an artist.
> she drew me that damn duckie.
> bought me numerous rubber duckies.
> lost contact with her.
> still a bit sad to this day..

>>93056072
>>93056135
Not DinobotxHonor

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>>93056392

>>93056248
>1.No one wants a remake exactly. Only a continuation.

A continuation of what? The series ended with a pretty definitive victory for the Maximals. What was left for the series to do? Sounds to me what they want is a retcon of Beast Machines, not a continuation of Beast Wars

>That cast of a hundred? They never went above a dozen in the original. At best they'd give a single dimension to a random character and that's it.

Virtually EVERYONE in G1 had a single dimension, so I'd say calling it a cast of a hundred still counts, whether they got a lot of appearances or not

>Name 3 major animated entries in TF where A Megatron wasn't the badguy

I...don't see how that's relevant? Did I say anything that could be construed as "the badguy shouldn't be Megatron?"

(that said, I COULD, but you'd prpbably just tell me Japanese shows don't count, so I won't bother.)

>>93056522
You never saw II or Neo? Destrons, Vehicons, and Predacons come back constantly.

>>93056557
For the sake of maintaining whatever semblance of continuity we had with beast machines it's best to treat those shows as a successful marketing ploy by thee japanese in order to sell more toys.

>>93056617
And it showed they worked, we can bring back Magmatron. We can have a new beast Galvatron. We can have Unicron come as a giant pill bug named Retrax.

>>93056648
>Retrax

He and Powerpinch were the two toys that I was most upset never got to be characters in the show.

I just loved those two for some reason

>>93055815
>>93055817
>>93055986
Megatron literally didn't bother to learn Optimus' name until the last episode.

>>93056713
I wanted the entiredy of the original toy line in the show before Fuzors and Transmetals showed up.

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HONOR!

>>93056839
You just had to go and post this

>>93056772
>Iguanus had a Transmetal form.

>>93045574
>http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Beast_Wars:_Uprising
I saw this and read it before I asked my question. It talks about the story but doesnt say where its all collected/where it was published, etc. I think its in that TF Club comic that comes out quarterly, but does it come out anywhere else?

>>93056522
>>93056248
I don't want a remake or a continuation. I want a reimagining. I mean how many have we gotten of G1? Why can't we just take the concept of "post original war there are new transforming factions at war" and do up new characters or new takes on older characters?

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>>93056970

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Reminder that the animal Tigatron is based on doesn't exist. Neither does Dinobot's.

>>93057028
Reminder that Tigertron scanned a female animal.
Reminder that Waspinator also scanned a female animal.
Reminder that Inferno scanned a female animal.

>>93057028
Dinobot was supposed to be a velociraptor? What would be the closest to whatever he's supposed to be?

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>>93056839

>>93057125
Nothing because he isn't just an underevolved bird.

>>93038350
That's really interesting. Got any sources or pages where I can read up on this more?

>>93056970

Air Razor is so underrated

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>Was going to be in the show
>dropped in favor of Waspinator

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>>93057028
Tigers don't exist?

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>>93057501

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Terrorsaur deserved better.

>>93057411
it's because they didnt give her huge obvious tits.

no one appreciates that she had perfect dick suckin' lips

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>>93057516

>>93057520
agreed

>>93037594
Fuck, what Beast Wars comic is this? I bought a single issue of a Transformers magazine when I was young and I remember it had an installment of this in it.

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>>93051577
>>93053909
>>93055468
Animated was about to do it but it go cancelled

>>93057125
Velociraptor is a genus, so that grants some flexibility. However, all Velociraptor are basically chicken to dog sized and they all had some kind of feathers.

Another genus, Utahraptor (only has one species) is about the right size for Dinobot. Utahraptor is in the same clade with Velociraptor, Eudromaeosauria which is a sub family of Dromaeosauridae (all of which have feathers). Ignoring the feathers, which seems fair to me, you still have an issue of Utahraptor only being found in Utah which is pretty far from where the Predacons landed.

Fun fact: Utahraptor was named after Jurassic Park designed their Velociraptors which at the time had no fossil equivalent. While Jurassic Park's dino's shouldn't be called Velociraptors, it is still pretty neat the design was legitimated after the fact.

So because Beast Wars was using the Jurassic Park design anyway, I'm gonna call Dinobot a Utahraptor and ignore the issues of feathers and geography.

>>93049307
I thought the number of human enemies was a really interesting aspect of Animated and wish it was included in more Transformers continuities.

>>93057677

and Blackarachnia was sent back in time meeting a Rhino,Rat,Cheeta, and Gorilla

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>>93055500
can i get a link to this page?

>>93057473
White tigers aren't a species and they don't live in snowy climates.

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>>93057501
>>93057550
>>93057604
>>93057669

>>93057761
I can't find it.

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>>93057732
Shit like this is why Animated is the best TF show.

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>>93033496
>>93034951

One must also consider that half of TFA's fanbase has a fucking hard-on for little brown girls.

>>93058052
That isn't true at all

>>93058052

Ruined TFA to be honest

>>93051577
>>93051670
That one Transformers cartoon from the early 2000s had the main conflict as being Autobots vs Predacons at the start, with Decepticons only being introduced later as the second half villains.

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>>93058052
>can upgrade her body with Cybertronian tech
>never gave herself huge tits
WHY

>>93053909
Fuck, those are some really good beast form ideas. I fucking need a Walrus Maximal with a great big moustache.

>>93054595
I could roll with it but I think of the forms from that picture Prime should be the bear or moose.

I once fan fictioned a Beast Wars thing where the Prime was a Tortoise to reflect his protective, wise but sort of slow to act personality.

>>93054711
That's genius.

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>>93058052
>>93058098
>>93058216
>>93058299
>brown, slick, metal-enhanced robo booty

>>93058335
Without decent cyber tits and/or hips, that body is worthless.

>>93057677
>>93057732
Animated Waspinator and Blackarachnia were awful

We dodged a bullet by not getting deeper into it

>>93058536
Animated Waspinator was meh but Animated Blackarachnia is the best Blackarachnia.

>>93057047
They identify by their robot mode gender. Even Inferno.

>>93058614
>Doesn't have machinegun legs
>Self-hating instead of proud soldier for evil
>Self-sabotaging dumb stuff is less fun than BW's self-sabotaging dumb stuff

>>93058756
She did touch Grimlock's cock though.

>>93058876
Him Grimlock am too good for spider-lady.

>>93058935
He rampaged on her thorax.

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>>93058756
>Doesn't have machinegun legs
She can steal the powers of other bots. That is way cooler.

>>93058977
thorax?
Her oviduct would be on the abdomen. That is where the sperm web should go.

>>93056617
>whatever semblance of continuity we had with beast machines i

Beast Machines is shit and no one wants it. People ignore shit entries into the transformers lexicon all of the time.
BM being completely ignored gives them everything they need to make a damned good continuaiton.

>>93059061
Grimlock doesn't follow anatomy.

>>93057810
Go shill your obese unfunny racist sandnigger somewhere else marketer.
We don't want it here.

>>93059113
No wonder dinosaurs went extinct.

>>93026057

Be careful OP. 80sfags would go apeshit seeing that you prefer an actually quality show over their shitty old toy commercial.

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>>93059117

>>93059065
The only thing i disliked about BM were the transformation animations and black arachnia's new form i don't really seem to get all the hate this series gets

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>>93059117

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>>93059117

>>93057367
They did some behind the scenes videos for the Beast Wars dvds, so those videos might be on youtube or something

>>93059229
The story is nonsensical at best, the characters have all been butchered and made edgy stupid faggots, everyone looks fucking retarded, eveyrone is always fucking running to or from somewhere, the "CYBERTRON WAS ONCE ORGANIC" thing and retarded ending basically sank the entire goddamned world.

Nothing good came out of that fuck up. Nothing.
There's a reason people don't bring it up unless they are trying to see why people hate it or defend it.

>>93038350
Yeah I remember watching that. Citing vague things like "the Great War" in early episodes was just them blowing smoke.

>>93059500
Toyline Blackarachnia is a succubus?

>>93059354
>>93059414
>>93059500
>>93059530
>>93059551

Id love to see of the other bots in Beast Wars

>>93055828
>In the first place, part of what made Beast Wars good was it's tie-in to G1 which gave Megatron a HUGE endgame.

Gen oners keep saying this, but season 1 is really solid on its own and the writers left it ambigious if it was earth, they almost decided it to not be. With the alien visits and other episodes Beast Wars would have been great on its own. I think the writers could have found a solid ending either way. we'd probably have gotten more of the Vok.

>>93056972
This. The elements and concepts introduced in beast wars have gotten carried over into other shows. A lot of what made beast wars work was the world building. The ships, the transwarp drive, the energon build up, protoforms, sparks, merging with life forms. G1 has been redone so many times, armada, the movies, prime, it's been done to death.

One of my favorite ideas about beast wars is, how much time passes. Is it a year? Is it 10 years? Is it 100 years? From start to finish it seems to suggest years pass. They're stuck on this planet a while and the concept of having animal forms that can ingest food to save energy makes a lot of sense.

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>>93059500
>Dat description tho

>>93059196
>>93059281
>>93059316

Go back to whoring that talentless soon to be on the streets camelfucker on /v/. Oh yeah, I forgot. They don't want that fag there either.

>>93057411
>>93057538
I thought she was cool.

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>>93059742

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>>93057520

Why wouldn't we get more waspinator-terrorsaur moments? They were great wingme. Terrorsaur is in almost every episode of season 1, up till they seemed to give the scheming to tarantulas, like they knew terrorsaur had to go next season.
Season 2 terrorsaur could have worked well, been more complacent to a transmetal megatron who did bring them to the right planet. I'd also have loved to have seen season 3 terrorsaur steal rampages spark from megatron and have rampage at his side. Quickstrike as the ally to Tarantulas was so boring. What a shit exchange, terrorsaur for cowboy snake hand.

Scorponok though, fuck that guy, what a dud of a character.

Do you think I could have an Asian stripper waifu if I knot her hard enough?

>>93059819
>Starscream possessed Waspinator
>Not Terrorsaur.

>>93059742
haven't really hear from jon since the stream with that other dude, whatever happened to him?

>>93059378

If you've ever read about Paul Dini's experience at Fox working on Batman Vs when the show was at WB it opens your eyes. Fox wanted shows to be as mass appealing as possible. They were shooting for a style never seen before and story that was safe and wholesome and easy. Plants save the world horse shit.

I to this day don't get how beast machines really happened. Beast Wars revitalized the brand and beast machines all but killed it again.

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>Transformers: Beast Wars Telemocha Series (ビーストウォーズ テレもちゃシリーズ) is the Japanese counterpart to the Transformers: Beast Wars 10th Anniversary line. The Telemocha Series features old Beast Wars molds redecoed to be show-accurate, along with a few random inclusions.
>At some point during the planning for the Telemocha Series, the idea was tossed around to create some brand new toys for the line. Internal TakaraTomy documents include designs for a jellyfish, a manticore and a triffid.

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>>93060709

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>>93060731

TRUKK NOT MUNKY

>>93060731
The legs of this one seem a little odd

>>93061968
Munky not dead

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>Beast Wars fans and TFA fans fighting it out over which is the best show
>either one being right

I mean, I'm just gonna leave this scene here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFYKAQdarNI

>>93062351
This, Animated, and Spectacular Spider-Man all have the same problem, a terrible art style. Specifically in the limb proportions and faces.

Is that fucking Jeffrey Combs though? Neat.

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>>93055828
>unending Season 1 BW

Not bad actually.

>>93062526
Yeah, it's Jeffrey Combs. Honestly even with Cullen and Welker there, he steals the show.

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>>93062351
It's good, but it got real old the second and third time through, sadly.

This clip is exactly why Ratchet was best character from TFP. (He says something to Aligned Optimus that should have been said more)

>>93062351
That was a weird episode

>>93063804
You mean great episode?

>>93042544
That is adorable, in the best way.

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TFA beats BW since TFA had a more consistent tone, each battle actually meant something by not having characters fall apart just to be repaired a scene later, and it stood on it's own with out basing its plot around a former series.

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>>93058052
Can you really blame them?

>>93059378
I liked Botanica and Strika

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>>93062351

Jeffrey Combs is the best Ratchet period.

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>>93066214
>that time when Megatron got a human friend

>>93059819
>Season 2 terrorsaur could have worked well, been more complacent to a transmetal megatron who did bring them to the right planet.

See, this is something that gets to me, as a Terrorsaur fan

He actually had character progression, in a way. He started off as a Starscream, but part way through, he kind of realized the pointlessness of it and just did as he was told

(a particular scene that comes to mind is when Inferno asked Terrorsaur if HE would explain the failure of a mission to Megatron, at which point Terrorsaur was like "yeah, he HAS been grumpy lately...alright boys, let's do it!")

The problem was...he learned his lesson, BUT they didn't bother to replace it with something else.

In retrospect to later shows, he could have been what Prime Starscream eventually was. Once he started putting his conniving into Megatron's service rather than his own, he was actually something of an asset

Or if not that...just play up his repeated partnership with Wapsinator, make them a total broTP, like Rocksteady and Bebop

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>>93062526
>not liking animated art
Pleb

>>93067016
So you wanted him to turn into a loyalslut like later Primescream? Ick. Nothing is worse than mindbreak.

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>>93068170
> loyal slut like later Primescream
> mindbreak
You make it sound pretty lewd.
Please don't give me these gay thoughts anon.

>>93068170
>>93068593
>nothing worse than mindbreak
>primescream
I-it's getting a lil sexual in here...

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>>93068170
>>93068593
Starscream is the leader of the decepticons now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Z2oJCQ7h-A

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>>93062526
>terrible art style

Its all about how the style works. The exaggerated proportion shitfest means a bigger range of expressions and motions and dynamics or whatever the fuck that's called, something a lot harder to pull off when you're constantly having to draw straight lines n rectangles frame by fucking frame.

Comic shit looks hilarious and fight scenes can make your dick rock hard, hell even the episodes with a low budget flow pretty well.

>>93069803
Wow that's an awful makeover Screamer should ask for his money back

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>>93069869
The japanese OP makes my dick hard https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ODtsNMNJXk

>>93069803
>be Starscream carrying out your nature of boss backstabbing as all Starscreams do
>get continuously shit on no matter what your successes
>eventually giveup and swear genuine loyalty to your boss
>still get shat upon
>Boss dies, comes back and decides "Welp, I was wrong." And abandons everyone.
Y'know for once Starscream was pretty justified in his wanting to take down Megatron.
I'd be pissed too.

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>Two Transformers threads with +300 replies at same time.

I'm so proud /co/

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>it's another BW v. Animated circlejerk
>no mentions of best show/best prime
you just hate Cybertron because it was made by nips and so it was an anime admit it

>>93066743
He truly is. I can't read the comics without hearing him voicing Ratchet in my head.

>>93071548
>They spent half the episodes on Velocitron
>Called it speed planet