Why do people cling onto overly idealistic waifus? Jackie has

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I knew Jackie reminded me of someone

People are clinging onto the dead/dying dream that is the mermaid theory.

>>93021348
I know, but why? What is the prime motivator for keeping Jackie around?

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>>93021313
Why do you believe jackie is idealistic at all in the first place? like everyone in that show except for ludo she is bland and forgettable as hell

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>>93021359
You know it's looks and having a comfy reassuring presence. None of them actually want Jackie to grow, they just want to imagine being with a girl that's too perfect to exist.

All waifus are overly idealistic. They don't exist, anon.

>>93021389
Pic related?

>>93021413
of course

>>93021404
At least Star feels like a person. Jackie feels like the optimized list of attractive traits in a girlfriend.

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>>93021348
>>93021396
Yeah, because the male lead being paired with an idealized love interest with a secret agenda and who happen to not be human worked so well the last time

>Thanks Marco, my life was meaningful because of you

>>93021489
What do you think will happen

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>>93021432
>i have feelings too, anon

>>93021519
Jackie had a secret agenda and she come close to Marco as part of the overconvoluted plan but then she started having real feelings for him, you know the usual. Aren't the seapeople living on the disposal zone of Mewni? Maybe Nefcy could add a rivalry between the Mewnis and the mermaids. I don't think anyone will die on the show besides nameless monsters but Jackie can get badly hurt for protecting Marco because she always love him. Dying would be better for allowing Starco considering that's what allegedly Nefcy wants but neither she or Disney have the balls.

>>93021313
We already have a thread that's barely holding onto life, do we really need 3 star related threads on the board?

>>93022026
Yes

>>93022026
There's a difference between a star thread and a Jackie bashing thread

>>93021313
Kinda reminds me of Wendy from Gravity Falls and how people wish she had gotten actual character development and she never did.

I guess because dream girls who are just an idealized crush are boring characters ironically usually making their ship with the lead guy the least popular ship on the whole show since literally anything would be less dull.

>>93022193
Jackie still has time left, like a lot of time, but they still won't use her because the archetype is limited.

Makes me wonder why they even use the archetype

>>93022193
That's why people want the idealized crush to be deconstructed.

>>93021313
A lot of my waifus remind me of someone I knew.

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>>93022286
But people like Jackie don't exist, that's the whole point

>>93022331
People like Star don't exist either, or at best they're autistic mess that no one likes for justified reasons.

>>93022487
You're just making that up. Do you know how many people exist in this world? Girls like Star exist. You're just too busy going your own way to notice.

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>>93022487
Solution: find yourself a Janna

>>93022498
Girls like Jackie do too, anon is just bitter he hasn't met any

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>>93022507
>Less perky and happy, more annoying and creepy, and equally autistic as Star
Yeah, No thanks m8

>>93022507
Minus the over-the-top antics played for humor, there are girls like Janna.

>>93022331
Yes they do, you can find girls like Jackie in SoCal, especially San Diego.

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>Making a second thread to bitch about Jackie
>>93022331
They aren't even rare.

>>93022674
I Just want the love for her to stop, its unwarranted

>>93021313
It's almost like people are pretty receptive to a character that has all the ideal traits they would want in a gf.

>>93022498
>Do you know how many people exist in this world? Girls like Star exist. You're just too busy going your own way to notice.

Yea they probably do, but depending on where you live and what you do for a living, they might as well not exist to you.

Sure, I'd love to meet someone like the characters in these shows but I live in the middle of fuck-nowhere south. I might as well be looking for a unicorn

>>93022755
She's a kind and sweet girl who loves her boyfriend and doesn't create drama over stupid shit for him. That alone puts her light years above other female protagonists.

>>93022816
In terms of being a good person. But that doesn't mean Jack shit when it comes to making an interesting character. Generally speaking, the more negative traits and flaws a character has, the more interesting they are.

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>>93022755
>unwarranted

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>>93022950
What did we do to deserve this comic

>>93022994
Nothing, it's just a good timeline.

>>93022950
oh yyyeaaaah

Shippers need to be euthanized, especially Starcucks

>>93022755
>>93021313
>It's a whining starcuck thread.

More people would actually genuinely watch your shit show from the start if it had Jackie or Heka as the female lead, instead of the annoying autistic womanchild that sounds like a grandma.

>>93023133
You'd have to change their personalities drastically to make it work

>>93022628
How many of them will magically become interested in you as soon as you confess to having a crush on them, won't find it all creepy that you've been obsessed with them for a decade, will find it endearing when you to embarrassing shit, and will automatically be understanding of everything you do no matter what?

That's what makes Jackie more a teenage boy's idealized fantasy of what a girlfriend is like than an actual character.

>>93023133
>"More people would watch the show if a boring non-character was the female lead!"

Yeah, no.

>>93023170
Generally you have to smoke a bit of weed with them first.

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>>93021313
Because waifufaggotry is inherently autistic and this site is full of autists.

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>>93022755

>Wants people to stop liking a likable character

She's not complex at all but don't play dumb

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>People keep talking shit about Jackies "lack" of character when Kelly was made a main character for no other reasons than muh diversity.
Shippers, not even once.

clearly janna is the solution to all this

>>93022816
Good person = / = good character, there's a reason people don't read books and watch films about nice people with no flaws or problems.

There's a reason all of Shakespeare's plays weren't called The Friendly Calm Nice People Who Lived Nice Happy Uneventful Lives.

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>>93022815
Thats true, the area you're in plays a huge part. I also think a foreign quirky blonde is the closet thing you can get to Star. Foreign because Star is just that, a foreigner. There is a certain level of novelty that really attracts people to each other. That difference between them actually makes them more attractive to one another. Part of the appeal of Star is having to explain earth shit to her like she's not a human (cause she isn't one). The closest you could get to that would be to find some girl from another country and introduce her to American culture. Also, there's a high chance she'll believe in more traditional values like marriage and having a family.

I hate to say this but, American women really have it cut out for them. They've lost alot by forgoing the traditional route. And American society will suffer from it.

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Janna is for forgetting because she's never done anything important

>>93023413
yet

>>93023170
It depends on their situation. Jackie was merely confused at first. She only fell for him after his heartfelt pedestal speech.

It's partly why learning more about her is interesting and wanted. It would provide the opportunity to take this unrealistic scenario and frame it in a more realistic way.

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She's got a bit of weird in her

>>93023706
Doesn't make up for how boring she is

>>93021313
What are you some kind of a uh uh faggot?

>>93023170

>Won't find it at all creepy that you've been obsessed with them for a decade
Didn't she kind of reveal in the clown episode that she kind of knew he was interested in her the entire time, and that what she admired was the fact that he never gave up? There was no real information gain for her. What changed is that Marco grew a pair, albeit under compulsion by supernatural forces...

>>93025027
I think she said in the book she always knew. But she did say that she admires his persistence in bon bon, yes

>>93025158

I know she at least hinted in the episode to always knowing. She dropped a list of his screw ups on him, including those from his younger years. It shows at the very least that she's been paying attention to them.

>>93023170
It's foreshadowing for the mermaid twist and >>93021718

>>93021313
>people complain that not pursuing it would ruin the show
Literally never seen this argument, except in posts precisely like this one, complaining about jackiefags supposedly claiming that Jackie not developing would "ruin the show"

The wording makes me think it's again the same person. Why are you this upset because people like Jackie, dude? Making the same posts with the same argument over and over again?

>>93022755
>reeeeeeeeee stop liking a character I don't like
unironically kys faggot

>>93026252
>character
Lol

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>>93022674
>>93026206
It's a special kind of anti-jackie fag
And he just won't stop, much to the board's regret

>>93026840
>he
I feel like there's at least 2 of them

>>93021313
Jackie is obese

>>93021313
Because normal, pleasant people who take care of themselves are super admirable and are very easy to be happy around.

>>93021313
Jackie was designed solely to be a waifu for Marco, her design can be perceived as attractive and this means people will like her despite her lack of personality, because waifus don't need personalities, as everyone wants their waifu to have more screentime despite how little they actually contribute to the series.

I like Jackie because cucked Star is a cute meme.

>>93023287
Kelly isn't a main character she's a side character, not even a common one.

>>93027182
There's at least one antijackiefag who tries to shitpost and bait jackiefags just to see them get upset, and then there's OP of this thread who keeps being upset because people genuinely seem to like Jackie and hope she gets development, which he feels is wrong because if he doesn't care about a character, no-one else should be allowed to like them either. This is the guy who keeps making bullshit claims like "jackiefags insist that not developing Jackie would completely ruin the show"

I'm fairly sure there's probably a couple of more starfags who are baiting jackiefags to ease the pain in their hearts from the cuckposting post Bon Bon. But OP and his earnest claims of how wanting Jackie to get more development is essentially being disrespectful towards the creators (what) and "complaining that if she doesn't get development the entire show is ruined" is just one guy imo.

>>93023287
>Kelly was made a main character
I think you're reading way too much into the OP

>>93028073
I just don't understand where the "Jackie has no personality" thing comes from. Being conventional and chill, and maybe a bit boring, doesn't equate to having no personality.

>>93028677
>Being conventional and chill, and maybe a bit boring, doesn't equate to having no personality.
People often don't count nice qualities.
Being perfect is boring, and so being kind and cheerful and understanding sort of vanishes and becomes "no personality", while being sarcastic, cowardly and selfish is considered as being a personality - even though paradoxically being kind and selfless takes a hell of a lot more effort than being cynical and selfish, and is a lot rarer irl

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Jackie laughs at the haters

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She's a plot device and a sex object, who cares?

>>93021396
Bingo.

IMO there's two kinds of Jackie fans. One kind are the ones who are fans of her because they believe she has potential and want her to be developed, and have enough faith in the show that they hope she's more than just an idealized girlfriend character / love interest. The other kind see no problem with that because they want a perfect idealized waifu and *don't* want her to be more than that.

>>93031457
At the same time there are people in the former group who still waifu her, myself included

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>>93029216
While I don't disagree with what you're saying. That's not applicable in this instant.

She literally has one character trait and that is skater girl.

She isn't clever, excitable, snarky, brave, etc.

She's just... a skater chick.

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She is entirely and solely defined as, "the skater girl who Marco likes." Spending time on such a character is pointless, and should just be a stepping stone for Marco to learn a lesson about people and responsibility, like making the decision to save the world instead of going after the girl of his dreams.

>>93031852
That's not a trait in and of itself. I can list a few for her.

Thrill seeking, relatively. She had fun fending off Ludo and the rats in bon bon.

Passionate. She doesn't just skateboard because of inertia, she is actively excited about sharing her passion with people, as with Marco in bon bon.

Flirty. We've seen this.

Passive and a bit socially oblivious. Regarding both Marcos crush on her and stars crush on Marco.

>>93031956
That's not fair at all then if the show has no problem developing all of stars Mewni friends. Plus regardless of what you say, Jackie isn't a complete cardboard cutout. Why continue to give glimpses of her as a person over not 1, but at least 4 episodes if she would be completely inconsequential in the end?

>>93031852
She's chill, brushes off the wierd shit that happens around Marco and Star, is down for anything new, and has excellent taste in boys.

Star on the other hand is quirky and randumb to a fault, pretty fucking petty and selfish at times, and only realized she wanted Marco once she couldn't have him meaning she probably wouldn't appreciate him if Jackie wasn't in the picture.

tl;dr Jackie has plenty of desirebale personality traits while Star is a stinker you'd only want if you're options are running low.

>>93031967
>Thrill seeking
Besides the fact I wouldn't say that's a character trait, it's entirely part of the skater girl cliche
>Passionate
She just showed Marco how to skateboard, and that scene only existed to play up Star's jealousy
>Flirty
Barely
>Passive and a bit socially oblivious
Standing in the background not know what's going on is not a character trait Anon.
>>93032012
They haven't developed Star's mewni friends, we've seen them party and have fun and go on a few adventures where they ultimately learn nothing, and while these episodes were fun, they aren't character development. It'd be ridiculous to claim Ponyhead is a fleshed out character just because she escaped from the princess prison and danced a bit.

And a character being a part of another character's progression isn't inconsequential. Characters are tools for telling a story or a joke, Star's mewni friends have helped to tell jokes, and Jackie has helped to tell Marco's progression story, this is why she exist.

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>>93032320
> have helped to tell jokes
Doesn't have anything to do with development, which Nefcy has said they're getting.

And about your response to "passionate", I direct you to pic related.

I don't understand the need to shoot down perfectly valid traits to delegitimize Jackie's character. Is it subconsciously caused by some ship-related grudge?

>>93022950
Source?

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>>93032114
>Chill and brushes stuff off
This isn't a character trait. Doing nothing is not a character trait.
>Star is quirky and randumb
It's funny and her excitability creates situations that are fast-paced, entertaining, and unique to this show
>Star is petty and selfish
Yes, she has character flaws, that have lead to negative events like Ludo obtaining the book and the destruction of her wand. This is how you write a story Anon, people are flawed, they aren't supposed to behave perfectly and have no conflict whatsoever
>Whatever stupid ship bullshit you just said
I don't care about the relationship of two fictional character's who will probably be written to have a perfect happy ever after in the end of the series. If their romance helps to motivate them to either have fun adventures or tell a good story I'm all for it.

This does not make Jackie a character who is in anyway interesting in her own regard. She's just a part of Marco's character arc.

>>93032412
>>93032320
On top of this I can give you more:
Understanding/open-minded, this is obvious. Again, reluctance to count positive traits as traits is what keeps people from acknowledging this.

Dorky, her mannerisms in Starcrushed highlight this, and her off-handed comment about history books, no matter how insignificant, at least highlights she has other interests (and she would have said an anecdote she was happy to share with Marco if he let her have a word in edgewise).

Brutally honest
Even when she's reassuring Marco, she doesn't really sugar-coat it. She reminds him of all his previous awkward incidents, acknowledging that they are awkward (instead of being oblivious to it) but liking him in spite of that.

Anything else is purely speculation, but based on the above and her reaction to the speech in Sleepover we can see where her values lay in actually picking someone, and it could feed into why she may ultimately take a breakup poorly if Marco hasn't even made an attempt to live up to his promise. We also haven't seen how she handles jealousy yet.

So yeah. Just because she's not completely entangled in conflict that affects her doesn't mean she's a completely unrealistic cardboard cutout.

>>93022950
>>93032463
http://raicosama.deviantart.com/

>>93032475
Solution? Give her a small arc of her own (like between 1 and 3 episodes). The catalyst being the breakup, Marco not living up to his promise, being separated by dimensions from not just him, but Star and presumably Janna too, etc.

It would be asinine to suggest she should be catapulted to main status, but with 2 seasons left for the show and pretty much everyone else of value getting love, this isn't a tall order. And I think it could have a lot more potential than an episode about Ponyhead's sisters or whatever, which we're already getting.

>>93021334
best.

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>>93032607
I'd be down for that

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>>93032546
>Understanding/open-minded
You're referring to her not reacting and not caring about events going on around her as being open-minded. Which is false.
>Dorky
She had a few funny lines to break the tension in a dramatic episode

Having a line that suggest a completed unexplored and probably unrelated interest once, does not a character make

>Brutally honest
She had a line bringing up things we've seen previously in the show to highlight to the viewers the dynamic that exists around Marco's failures and his perseverance. The episode was Marco dealing with his insecurities. And again, Jackie only exist as a tool to grow Marco's character.
>>93032607
You don't need to build every character that comes across their path, and there are characters who would seem to have a lot more interesting backgrounds, like Hekapoo, and wasting episodes in what would probably an unfunny episode about someone getting over a breakup considering if they broke up Marco would have one too and that'd be redundant.

I know it's 'cool' to hate Ponyhead, but she is an annoying cunt with an outrageous and boisterous personality, which makes situations involving her exciting, and unpredictable, all of these things make for good comedy. She is more of a character than Jackie is.

>>93032927
I still don't get this incessant need to kick Jackie when she's down. What's the harm in saying she's decent and it'd be cool to see a bit more out of her?

You're making it seem like keeping her ON the show is a sin or something, and every scene with her could be spent with literally any other character.

>>93023374
You want a female character that gets fucked over by her own bad decisions? You got Star for that.

You can't have characters be ALL fuck ups or else you reach Evangelion-levels of edgy wankery.

>>93032927
Seriously man? None of those criticisms discount who Jackie is being portrayed as. They can be applied to future situations if the plot so dictates.

The writers have already said she's going to be in season 3. She is not the most boring character on the show, stop acting like her presence inherently brings the show down.

>>93032958
No, the exact opposite, her role as a side character is filled perfectly because she doesn't take up too much attention because of her muted personality.

I'm just saying that she isn't a fully fleshed-out character and she doesn't need to be to serve her purpose to the show.

>>93032958
they want to bait Jackiefags into getting upset

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>>93023170
>How many of them will magically become interested in you as soon as you confess to having a crush on them, won't find it all creepy that you've been obsessed with them for a decade, will find it endearing when you to embarrassing shit, and will automatically be understanding of everything you do no matter what?

If I were Marco, I'd guess one or two.

I don't even see a visual appeal to be honest.

It seems like character designs in the show are really hit or miss and she seems like a real miss for me, man.

The art style isn't flattering to what they have going on with her, and she's just beyond bland. I get that she's the foil to Star's boner but shit, at least try.

She doesn't do anything but accommodate others and try to suck Marco's dick.

"Sure, senpai" is the extent of her dialogue.

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>>93033016
But yet, you claim she served her purpose, then STILL out her as being a bad character.

Will she just be remembered as being boring, and an obstacle? Why bother giving her anything if that was the intended effect? Just give her the bare minimum to be a threat then kill her off (metaphorically).

As it stands, I'm not the only one who wants to see more of her, particularly because I care about her as a person at this point, and because not every single episode has to be full of out-of-this-world Mewnian novelty.

>>93032958
She's a cartoon character. Mad chill.

>>93032999
>Implying having a character not be perfect makes them a fuck-up
>Implying most of the other characters in the show aren't flawed in their own way
>Implying a character being relatable in that they are flawed human beings doesn't help the audience sympathize with their plight

>>93033025
While I do enjoy upsetting people who like things I don't like, I haven't said anything I don't believe.

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>>93033025
And it's working

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>>93033091
It's just unnecessary. She's the only character to be under this much scrutiny. Even if she did have more I bet unconscious shipping bias would have everyone indirectly comparing her to Star.

>>93033132
She's not real

but I hope they kill her off now.

>>93033049
Let's just say, for arguments sake, she did get an arc, an arc that was well done and further integrated her into the story.

Would people complain because, ultimately, it "wasn't necessary" as of this point?

Buff Frog didn't necessarily need as much development as he got, just enough to establish him as an ally, which was basically done by the end of Starsitting/On the Job.

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JACKIE IS CUTE AND PERFECT

CUTE AND PERFECT

>>93033078
No, I'm saying the attention she gets by the audience is completely undeserved and only exist because of shippers and waifufags

>Will she just be remembered as being boring, and an obstacle?
No, she will be forgotten.

>Why bother giving her anything if that was the intended effect? Just give her the bare minimum to be a threat then kill her off
Again she has helped to tell the story, and once the focus shifts towards the angst between Marco and Star she probably be just another Janna, or Kelly

>particularly because I care about her as a person at this point
Good luck with that crush on a fictional character, I hope it works out for you

>>93033132
She only receives this much scrutiny because she receives more undeserved praise.
I would do the same for Janna or Kelly, but people don't talk about them as much.

>>93021313
>What is so alluring about her right now as it stands besides her looks?
she is chill

>>93021313
Jackie is cute and emotionally mature. She is the much better romantic interest for the Marco. Marco is designed to be easy to relate to, so it is only natural people would waifu Jackie on his behalf. Get off the computer, Star.

>>93033276
>No, she will be forgotten
Literally impossible if she's as entwined in the plot of crucial season 2 episodes as people have said. Plus there is still a fuckton of fan art of her.

>she probably be just another Janna, or Kelly
That's ok too. At least they aren't in danger of being cut entirely because "oh, looks like Marco has to shed all his ties to Earth; Janna's only coming because she's Star's friend, and we all know Marco doesn't REALLY matter".

>Good luck with that crush on a fictional character, I hope it works out for you
Jackie isn't the only one I like as a person, you know

>>93033319
It's a classic chicken and egg effect. Jackie got ship related criticism, which was then countered by defensiveness by fans, which was then countered by more concrete criticisms regarding her character, criticisms which to many on here seem to be irredeemable or at the very least not worth redeeming.

Would you take another Sensei episode over a Jackie one?

>>93031852
>She literally has one character trait and that is skater girl.
Nah that's bullshit.
Like others have pointed out, she has many qualities - they're just all (so far) nice, so people kinda don't count them.

She's a skater girl, yes.
She's also interested in the ocean, history books, Love Sentence.
She's kinda grungey, skates, all those piercings, so chill - and yet has a strong romantic streak, dresses to the glorious, glittering nines for her date, gets starry-eyed at Marco, wants to pursue a good date. She's eager for romance.

She's a go-getter, willing to take initiative. She's the one who asked Marco to the school dance, and later asked him to go on a "real date" with her when the dance didn't meet her expectations. When she wants something, she's open about it and goes for it.
She's also open about her emotions and good about talking; when Marco spills out all of his awkwardness or spergs out, she's understanding and knows how to comfort him. She's not frightened or unsettled by awkwardness, she can listen. She's also not very judgmental and gives second chances.
She values perseverance and tenacity, however. The reason she gave for liking Marco is that he doesn't give up, even in the face of humiliation and defeat. It's interesting that she doesn't value coolness or such, but stamina.

She wants to be understood and appreciated. She got properly interested in Marco after he said she deserves someone who wants to get to know her and appreciates her. Maybe she feels that people only see her hot, chill surface and not the personality within.

She also is very brave. She fought against Ludo's rats with great spirit.
She also has gotten very excited about teaching Marco to skate, and about surfing on magical creatures.

She has a lot of personality. You just ignore it, because she's not as hyper as Star or as snarky as Janna. But she's exceptionally chill and cheerful, not easily shaken. It's valuable and rare, but gets ignored because it's "boring".

>>93021359
so that star and marco won't become a thing and people can continue to make cuck memes

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>>93033410
Based anon

>>93033211
You know damn well they would

For real, I honestly feel like it'd be pretty split. Maybe even into thirds.

Obviously jackiefags would be pleased, obviously other camp would be annoyed because, as you said, wasn't necessary.

BUT AS FOR ME, I don't think too highly of her, but I don't really want her out of the show or dismissed entirely. I feel like there's potential with her as a character and they could do a lot with her AND I'd really like to see that. But the writers need to get past the tropey bullshit of "oh she just exists to create some betty and veronica shit BUT she has to be the 'better' option so it's even more trooo luvvvv when he ultimately picks the other girl"

>>93031967
You literally just described "skater chick"

im losing my fuckin mind dude

>>93033452
>But the writers need to get past the tropey bullshit of "oh she just exists to create some betty and veronica shit BUT she has to be the 'better' option so it's even more trooo luvvvv when he ultimately picks the other girl"
A key reason why even those who don't love Jackie should still want to see them try a bit more with her.

>>93033132
>She's the only character to be under this much scrutiny.
lolno
Ponyhead gets 9999x more blind hatred and criticism for no good reason.

>>93033523
Let me point you to a more eloquent example:
>>93033410

>>93033444
Why is her lower half so heart-shaped?

>>93033096
>Implying having a character not be perfect makes them a fuck-up
And just because somebody isn't a drama queen like your sorry bitch ass doesn't mean they have to be.

>Implying most of the other characters in the show aren't flawed in their own way
They really aren't. Even Marco has overcome his shortcomings and Skullnick doesn't seem to mind being a troll. The only one on Earth whose life was turning into a trainwreck by her own fault, is Star. And she's left the planet already.

>Implying a character being relatable in that they are flawed human beings doesn't help the audience sympathize with their plight
First of all,
>MUH RELATABEL
Your redditfaggotry aside, what fucking "plight"? They're in SoCal, not Afghanistan.

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>she's just skater chick
>list of qualities
>all skater girl tropes

>>93032475
>This isn't a character trait.
Yes it is. How you react to stuff, obstacles, adversity, is a character trait. Are you active or passive? Character trait. Do you react to stuff by getting angry, or are you understanding, supportive, cool, disdainful, distant? Passionate or blase? Character trait.

Like I said earlier, it's just that some people seem to have decided that positive, calm traits "don't count", like what you're doing - being calm and not being bothered by small things supposedly isn't a character trait, only loud and visible reactions like getting shouty either from anger or happiness, or possibly making mean comments, would count.

But doing nothing is also a character trait. Some people are more passive. It can even be a fault, see Star avoiding all her problems. It's a character trait. Being mute can be one, even.

And again, I think that being positive and brushing stuff and off and being chill is a remarkable character trait, because it's so damn rare in real life. It doesn't build conflicts, so it can be boring in fiction, but irl it's really rare to find someone who's a positive force in the lives of the people around them, who doesn't sweat the small stuff, who's understanding and kind. There's a lot of petty selfish people who think that being a sarcastic asshole makes you automatically cool, though.

>>93033560
just because it's more verbose doesn't mean its any different and any more valid an opinion

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>>93033562
She's full of love.

>>93033573
Have you met more than 1 skater girl and saw that they were exactly alike? Quirks and interests don't exactly correspond with personality.

Come on, anon. That's not even a valid criticism. If she followed the archetype down to the letter, we'd see her and Marco dating without all the needed buildup between Sleepover and Bon Bon to show that her love of Marco was earned and that she actually had values and ambitions beyond "lol skateboardz".

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>>93033410

>>93032606
>http://raicosama.deviantart.com/
I also checked this dude's tumblr page and it looked like it doesn't exists.. fucker probably deleted it or somehow got banned ...

>>93033673
Try and make a list as long with someone like Janna.

>>93033652
So, first you imply that there is no trope or archetype and she's not some bargain bin cookie cutter character.

Then say "She's not ENTIRELY cookie cutter."

>>93033701
do i look like a fucking queer
did i ever say janna was any good

>>93033264
>waves on her cellphone
ok this ocean theme thing is going too damn far
If they don't do anything with it I'll be mad, legit mad

Also CUTE, SO CUTE
AND PERFECT

>>93033726
If being cookie cutter is a criticism in itself, pretty much 80 percent of the characters in this show fit an archetype in some way.

>>93033696
Shit, that guy did a few of my favorite sv comics.
Especially the Marco ones.

>>93033770
so now it's just "well its not JUST jackie"

come on buddy
you can save this
i believe in you

>>93033319
>she receives more undeserved praise.
>undeserved
>reeee people like a character I don't like, she doesn't deserve the attention because I don't like her, it's unfair and I must try to convince people to stop liking what I don't like, you should all think like meeeeee
why are you this salty over people having different tastes and liking different characters

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>>93033804
remember this relic

>>93033211
If it was well written and interesting people would love it
Everyone whines about filler, but everyone also fucking loves Collateral Damage because it was so well written and funny

>>93033784
Yeah i recently looked up on The cover of his nfsw comic showing Marco and Janna together called "End of Year Party".. clicked the link below which showed his tumblr page and NOTHING is there..

>>93033926
>Marco and Janna
Come on, anon

>>93033611
Anon it's clear at this point you've decided that Jackie has no personality because you don't like her and you've decided that her personality traits (calmness, kindness, straightforwardness, chill, sports and outdoors, perseverance, joie de vivre) don't count as real personality traits, because apparently only flamboyant stuff or "relatable" negative stuff counts in your eyes, so it's pointless.

It's kinda telling you're insisting that opinions you don't agree with aren't "valid", lel.

>>93033926
i dont even like jackie but even i know that's more basic bitch tier

>>93034045
I'm saying her particular mixture of very general and very weak personality traits is boring rehashed shit.

- and yes, generally, if a character has no negative qualities they're regarded as poorly written and boring. Which is literally what I am saying.

She is a boring trope.


I don't get what's so hard to grasp when you been at them straws all day.

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>>93034060
>>93033999
Looks like I'd typed the wrong name. Marco and JACKIE not Janna

>>93034267
i was fucking stressed out

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Alright you fags have debated enough
It's degeneracy time, this is now a Jaccie thread

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>>93034045
>dat ad hominem over a fucking waifu tho

>>93033410
>>93032546

This brutal honesty and dorkiness aspect is actually interesting, I hadn't thought of it before.
She does seem to be very open about what she feels.

She can accept people's emotions and listens to Marco's sperging and whining about Star being weird with understanding, but is also open about her own feelings, desires and wants.
She asks Marco out when she gets interested. In Naysaya, she clearly states that she's feeling confused, yet still listens to Marco. When she feels like being dorky in Starcrushed, she goes for it. In Friendenemies or Bon Bon, when she gets excited about her fave song or fave sport, she jumps up to enjoy it.
DANCE WITH ME DUDES
When she talks to Marco about why she likes him, she tells it like it is, without sugarcoating. When Marco feels bad in Friendenemies, she immediately goes to solve it and addresses things directly and honestly.

She doesn't shy away from confrontation or emotions, essentially, her own or others'. She seems to appreciate honesty and not giving up, too.

I don't know how to put it to words, but i feel Jackie really is like the ocean. She's kinda constant, calm, reliable and chill, clear about what's going on, doesn't sweat the small stuff or get nervous easily.

I wonder what she's like when she eventually does get mad.

>>93034312
are you gay

>>93034305
it's obviously true tho

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>>93034298
>TFW no heroin addict Star

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>>93034398

>>93034425
At least she is properly tying her arm before injecting. Shame she isn't in the presence of Marco or a friend to watch over her.
Well, she has us watching her fall into despair.

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>>93034298
I want Chelsea to give me a pitjob

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>Go to work
>"oh boy, I hope no one actually replied to that shit bait while I was gone."
I miss the old Jarcofags so much. You fuckers are embarrassing me. Was it really this bad the last 2 months?

>>93034734
They're worse than fuckin asuka fags

>>93034734
Seriously, are we Tumblr now? Ship wars are completely fucking pointless. I can see some value in the "Jackie is a character/she's a plot device" debate, but not much.

>>93034734
But it's a legitimate question

>>93034859
> I can see some value in the "Jackie is a character/she's a plot device" debate
Isn't that what this thread is?

>>93034298
Can somebody get me a thicc edit of kindergarten Jackie/Janna?

>>93034928
*high schooler

>>93035261
>thicc Janna
Lol

>>93034859
>We've literally been talking about Jackie as a character vs a plot device
>"Why aren't you talking about jackie as a plot device"
Lurk more anon

>>93035399
Not lol, thicc loli Janna

>>93034879
The answer is "Yes, Jackie is a plot device, but she also has a character, even if it's fairly bland." No one is willing to cede the other half though, anti-Jackiefags will argue her character is so bland and nice and archetypical it might as well not exist, and Jackiefags will argue that pretty much anyone other than Star, Marco, Toffee and like, Tom, is also a plot device by that definition, if they even influence that plot in anyway at all and aren't just a static gag.

>>93035602
Seems to be the cycle, yeah

And since both sides are too stubborn, expect this until the show does something about it

>>93026812
Are you really under the impression that shallow two dimensional people don't exist

>>93035913
Shallow person =/= shallow character so idk what you're saying

Jackie's far from being a shallow person regardless of how boring or undeveloped you think her character is

>>93033556
>Ponyhead gets 9999x more blind hatred and criticism for no good reason

Show me the Ponyhead threads

>>93034154
>I'm saying her particular mixture of very general and very weak personality traits is boring rehashed shit.

Not anon but you could say the say thing about Star or Marco everything about their characters has been done before and better but that in no way means that they have no character

>>93036430
And I know anon is going to reply with "but they still did something with them" despite the fact that of course they did, they're the fucking main characters. To honestly compare Star and Jackie is asinine, but they can both still be good.

>it's another thread to whine about Jackie
Starcucks are desperate for attention again I see.

>>93035871
I honestly don't give a shit exactly what they do with Jackie, as long as they actually write a thing with Jackie.

>>93036301
Ponyhead hatred is just assumed as the default, no one makes ponyhead hate threads because no one would disagree with them.

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>>93036569
Tell tale signs of having a crush on a character and just wanting her to stick around for no reason

>>93036627
Sure.

>>93021334
How does Lisa remind you of Jackie?

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>>93036627
>replace Jackie with anyone else's name
Congratulations, you just discovered the radical concept of liking a character

ITS TIME WE ALL REFER TO THE MBTI

STAR = HISTRIONIC/ ENFP

JACKIE = ESFP

Wow this thread sucks

To think this Venice beach skater girl is now one of the most divisive characters on /co/

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>>93037197
>any attention is good attention
>Jackie Lynn Thomas, 2017 probably

>>93037197
The weird part is it wasn't this bad when S2 actually ended. Like over time, they just began to hate her even more, despite nothing having really changed.

Jackie is a fatty

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You niggers need a real goddess in this thread

>>93038823
I like how wide her hair is

>>93038967
>wide hair
uhhh....annon.....

>>93038980
Well what word would you use to describe it

>>93039000
Wide hips to be honest

>>93039012
Hips and hair are different things.

>>93038823
I love her almost as much as I love Plague

What if Jackie isn't a mermaid...but a whalemaid?

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>TFW you will never get Sabrina addicted to drugs and addicted to you

>>93037197
It's because people pretend to hate Jackie just to bait Jackiefags, so there's no real discussion to be had and trying will inevitably devolve into wild shitposting

Don't be so hard on her anon, life on the streets is hard for a young, attractive girl like her.

>>93021313
I like her simply because she's Marco's crush and not his best friend. Hate that cliche, ruined the last season of KP for me.

>>93021396
>>93031457
I would like it if they showed that Jackie gets just as nervous if not more than Marco when it comes to certain things. Things that other people also get nervous about (spiders, heights, etc).
Make her more human, in a way that makes her less perfect and more endearing.
Half the reason why star is so endearing is that she has a heart of gold and still fucks up.

what if Jackie was addicted to heroin

>>93041383
I feel a certain degree of insecurity coming for her character

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What are the odds we see her break down and cry next season

Whats with all the headcanon in here about Jackie being homeless? Give me a quick rundown

>>93042431
Mainly

>presumably lived by the river
>shops exclusively at salvation thrift stores
>She's seen skateboarding in the middle of the night when everyone else is sleeping

It's not a lot but people make wild assumptions with that material

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>>93042412
I want to see her break while trying to put on a brave face for Marco when they break up.

>>93042909
why is she covered in cum

>>93042580
>>93042431
Just Starcucks.

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>>93037197
It's just banter, lad. Cuckposting is an obsolete meme and we've got to get our jollies somehow.
Most of us know she got handed a shit sandwich.

>>93043298
But actually some Jackiefags want it too

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I don't watch this show but I want to dick her down.

>>93043947
Those are starcuck false flags

>>93032607
>with 2 seasons left for the show

Is this confirmed?

>>93044730
show has confirmed to have been greenlit for 4 seasons already at the beginning of season 2

>>93044730
Season 4 was announced right after Season 2 finished, and has been greenlit since at least last November.

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>>93044584
Dunno man, there's something cute/sweet about the innocents suffering, y'know?
Looking forward to see just how bad she'll lose her chill.

>>93044957
Same

Because realistic women are awful.

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>>93039403
Have some more then.

>>93033556
>Ponyhead gets 9999x more blind hatred and criticism for no good reason.
That's probably more due to the fact that most people would very likely drop the show after that first episode with her and that never really changes. Though I'd say she actually became sort of funny in season 2 when they used her cunt personality for gags

>>93037640
>Like over time, they just began to hate her even more, despite nothing having really changed.
What changed was the S3 OP spoiler/leak of Jackie not being in it. That's what opened up some new salt

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>>93045372
>my life sucks and no one believes me

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Jackies not giving up that ass THAT easily

>>93045200
More please?

>>93046601
She has no choice, Marco is gonna dump her and not give a shit what happens

>>93042580
Honestly I just want some delicious suffering/feels, but I'll add that her hair looks kind of dirty

>>93021313
You're conflating a few things here.

Jackie doesn't have any real character flaws as of yet. She has a chill/relaxed personality, she comforts/consoles Marco whenever he spergs out due to his insecurities/social anxieties instead of just reacting with disgust/hostility, she was perfectly fine with Star tagging along on her date with Marco when you'd expect most GFs to be jealous/pissed. She's a great girlfriend.

This makes her a boring character. The lack of character flaws means there's no room for character development, so she looks flat. Reacting sensibly/maturely means there's less chances for drama. It also makes her hard to relate to, since most IRL people have flaws of some sort, and generally don't like looking at people who don't have those flaws. This is exacerbated by the fact she's the heroine's love rival.

Naturally, people don't like the character. Not because she's done anything wrong, but because (1) she's not interesting from a work-of-fiction standpoint, and (2) she stands in the way of the heroine's romantic sub-plot.

But IRL, character flaws aren't a good thing. Real-life isn't fiction, dealing with real drama is a hassle, dealing with shitty people is much harder than watching shitty people be shitty. IRL Jackie would be a great person to be around. People as understanding/mature/relaxed as her are uncommon for a 14-year-old, but certainly not non-existent (e.g. I knew 2-3 back in high school).

That's part of what causes the divide here. Jackie story-wise is boring/hindering the plot, Jackie person-wise is great.

>>93048805
Agreed, except there isn't "no room" for it yet because we have yet to see how she handles stress. How she does determines how she can move forward if at all, and what flaws if any are present. This will have to happen at least minimally now that she actually has her own conflict and an actual reason for her to be less than collected.

>>93048385
I'm still working on the Jabrina fic but I'm doing my research

>>93049444
Link when you're done, I'm dying to read some good suffering fics

How many episodes is this show at currently? I wanna write some fics but I need to get the canon down

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Bogpill me on the Starfag who keeps making anti-Jackie threads

>>93050246
Should be 34 episodes (either two 10 minute segments or 1 of 20 minutes)

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>>93050212
>>93048805
>>93048385
>>93047312
>>93046601
>>93045868
>Bumping this thread just when it's finally about to die.

>>93050297
Poor Brittney, I just want to hold her and tell her she's beautiful no matter what

>>93050297
You gotta understand him anon, nobody ever loved him in his whole life.

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>>93050337

>>93050297
Autism, stop liking what I don't like, etc. Pretty standard fare for the internet.

>>93050297
Star is the most popular character, and Starco is by far the most popular ship. Jackie stands in the way of that ship.

Naturally many people are anti-Jackie. Some of them are fanatical, and make threads about it.

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>>93050357
Why is there not more stuff with popular/mean girls becoming outcasts? Slob!Brittney is pushing buttons I didn't know I had.

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>>93046601
she will have both the head and the ass

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>>93050636
My boi Marco stupid thick

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>>93050733
duh, nobody can resist that diazz

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>>93050733
Are thick guys real? I considered myself a straight man before joining this fandom but now I want to bust a nut in Marco and/or Ferguson.

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>>93050801
I wish all the gay/female chubby chasers didn't leave after gravity falls ended.

>>93050801
is there porn of ferguson with the pixie queen?

>>93042412
Very high
She's too perfect - she's been such so far because she's been the distant perfect dream girl for Marco. But now they're together, and Star just confessed, so it's time for her to descend from the pedestal Marco's placed her on and develop her character further. Most likely she'll show some flaws and insecurities.
She's so chill and calm that if she cries it's gonna feel like a shock. I don't think she'll cry right away but at some point she will

>>93043118
what show is this pic from

>>93051503
nope, but theres on with marco and the pixie queen

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>>93050297
I want to fuck this chubby slut.

how did this show develop such a pedophilic fanbase? which starcuck did this?sometimes i feel like starco fans arent people but giant hiveminds

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>>93051628
>pedophilic

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>>93051518
Bakemonogatari

>>93051628
>pedophilic

>>93051628
If this is a Jackie defense, you do know she's 14 too

>>93051503
Yeah I think there's some

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>>93051628
Star Butterfly is an adult woman.
She has her Mewberty wings and is ready and willing to produce an heir.

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>>93051581
Nothing Wong with that.

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Can we just have this ship be canon please

>>93021313
Personally I was just hoping that for once they'd do something with the MC initial crush character.
With how the show was already subverting things with Toffee actually winning and Ludo's development I felt is was a reasonable hope
It's just always the same with these MC initial crush types

>>93052234
She. Still. Has. Two. More. Seasons.

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>>93052171
no, for some reason MUST be waifu wars.

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>>93051581
>you will never take advantage of an intoxicated Brittney

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>>93053210
>you will never promise Brittney you'll pull out, only to forcibly plunge your cock balls deep inside at the last second and pour all your warm seed into her fertile womb

>>93053831
>Brittney will never leglock you to steal your superior aryan genes and ensure you'll start a family with her so she won't die alone

>>93054193
That's probably the only way she knows she'll have to ensure she won't die alone.

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Y'all just wish you were Marco

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>>93055088
I mean, who wouldn't?

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Bye Jackie

>>93055088
>No sour cream in his taco
He has good taste.

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>>93022864
>Generally speaking, the more negative traits and flaws a character has, the more interesting they are

Any writer worth his salt will tell you that's complete horseshit. Korra had flaws up the wazoo, that didn't make her any more interesting.

>>93055845
What about in Jackies

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>>93055088

>>93051365
>suddenly have the urge to see Ferguson swallow Star

Guess I'll have to settle for that pic by ChromosomeFarm

>>93055877
Marco will not eat tacos filled with sour cream, period.

>>93055845
Marco has good taste in everything. Nothing patrician-tier, but he certainly has great taste.

>>93056115
Post link

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>>93055845
whats wrong with sour cream?

>>93056356
http://chromosomefarm.tumblr.com/post/160344561717/

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>tfw you lost all your teeth

>>93022331
>A&F share a balloon
Can they make it any more obvious that they are gay?

>>93056494
On the topic of Star vore, one of my friends is trying to convince me to write a fic where Chelsea kills, dismembers, cooks and eats Star, but I don't know if you're into hard vore. He and I are both gurofags so we don't mind I guess

>>93056869
I too like hard vore, but I don't really get this obsession among the fetish crowd with the school side characters that haven't been relevant since season 1 among the fetish crowd

>>93056936
Why do we have so many fetishist freaks to begin with?

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>>93021313
Because Waifus are perfect and do not require anything from you, but Jack is not a waifu she is a macguffin / plot device

She exists as a goal in Marco's life, she's the coolest people he knows, he admires it and wants to be cool to be with her, even though he does not even know her, she also exists as a drama Star and make her have bad feelings, ... JARCO was designed to sink

I still prefer Hekapoo, it's unexpected and a lot more interesting, the Star I already know since episode 1, outside that both have a ridiculous chemistry, just look at this image and tell me that the two do not match?

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>>93056936
Chelsea's been my waifu for a while
I think she's really cute
Also I dunno I figure her liking to cook and wanting to be pretty sets up the story better than if I just picked Janna or someone else random

>>93056869
Would prefer soft, but I can do hard.

>>93057108
Hekapoo is vastly overrated

>>93057108
>Because Waifus are perfect and do not require anything from you, but Jack is not a waifu
Isn't this contradictory?
What makes Jackie not a waifu?

I'm not going to throw a fit if Jackie doesn't get anything more/is explicitly a macguffin and nothing more.

But I will stop watching the show.

Do you think Jackie is a screamer?

>>93043157
Pretty sure those are supposed to be tears, dude. Is jizz blue on your planet, or something?

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>>93057492
>macguffin
If you're going to use shitty TVTropes meme terminology at least use it properly

>>93057462
Jackie is both a waifu and a plot device.

It's like >>93048805 says. Jackie is a great girlfriend and would make an excellent IRL waifu, but in the story she's just a love rival for Star.

>>93022331
>>93022487
>>93022498

>"people like Jackie don't exist, deal with it"

>" retort with a valid point."

>"don't say that , reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"

This is called "the regression of a shitposter", kids.

>>93057602
Nah dude, don't you remember the episode where Marco found Jackie in a chest deep within a dungeon and had to learn to wield her so he could defeat Toffee, as the prophecy foretold?

>>93057392
>saying autistic shit
Well op I hope you called the cops because I'm coming over to chop off your penis.
You have 20min

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>>93057078
Outside of the Jaccie threads I actually don't think we do
It's one thing to shitpost and spitball increasingly degenerate ideas in a thread, but there's suprisingly little actual art/fics that actually get made
I'm working on my art/writing in order to rectify this, I just hope the fandom still exists when I get my shit together

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>>93056115
I've actually barely seen any guy on girl vore. I dunno, I think Ferg could probably swallow her, he's pretty big.

Is it weird to like hard vore but despise soft vore?

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>>93059416
>Is it weird to like ____ vore?
Yes

>>93059416
Eh, people have different fetishes. It's probably normal.

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>>93059611
>vore
>normal

>>93057522
I would think she is a squirter

>>93059446
>not wanting to forcefeed cute girls to other cute girls
Fukken pleb

>>93060342
t. Hannibal the Cannibal's cousin

>>93059416
Nah, they're completely different things. Soft vore is basically just inflation where one person is inside another person, and hard vore is more brutal/realistic. I definitely prefer hard because it has more potential for delicious suffering.

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>>93060342
>not wanting a cute girl to swallow you whole
double pleb

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>Jackie is trying to figure out exactly what this thread is supposed to be about

>>93060667
Don't worry your pretty little head, the grown ups are talking about grown up things. Now run along and play with Marco or go eat some pizza rolls or something.

>>93060446
I've seen that ero. Doesn't the slime fill the boys balls with her slime using his cockhole and then make him give birth with his dick?

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>>93061272
what other way to give birth is there?

>>93061431
Out the rear hole

Or make him have a c-section

Try not to think too deeply about mpreg. You're not going to have a fun time.

Why is there one faggot that has to keep making Jackie hate threads every few days? Fucking let it go you autistic shit. People like what they like.

>>93061462
>the rear hole
Ah, the ol' eggs-up-the-butt route. It feels more like surrogacy/less like your kid without your sperm involved, but I guess you could pre-fertilize with your sperm and incubate in the butt.

>c-section
I guess this could be pleasurable if you like the idea of being dissected/cut open.

>>93061526
Because he feels as though the existence of Jarco/Jackie fans somehow influences the crew to the point where Starco is in danger of not being endgame, therefore he's trying to completely stamp out any trace of Jackie so that the fanbase will be unanimously Starco, thus hopefully influencing the crew to end with Starco, even though Nefcy said that she already has the ending in mind and that she refuses to let the fanbase sway the direction of the show or what she has planned, despite the fact that it may disappoint some people. I honestly think she was talking to shippers....

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>>93061616
How drastic, and pathetic

>>93061526
It's always been like this.

There's people who hate Star, people who hate Jackie, people who hate shipfags, people who hate AUfags, people who hate writefags, people who hate lorefags.

They flare up, but they eventually tire themselves out because it's usually just one or two people on an autistic rampage. You just gotta wait it out.

>>93061615
>Ah, the ol' eggs-up-the-butt route
Wouldn't anything else require 'eggs into your dick'?
>I guess this could be pleasurable if you like the idea of being dissected/cut open.
How many pics of vore are out there that don't cover digestion? How many diaper pics are out there without a mention of poo? How many public use pics have a follow-up of gonorrhea and syphilis?

The less you think about them, they more fun you'll have.

Sidenote: not-/sveg/ is among the most thought provoking fetish discussion I've had.

>>93061761
This isn't even not-/sveg/, it's a Jackie hate thread turned on its head

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>>93061761
>Sidenote: not-/sveg/ is among the most thought provoking fetish discussion I've had
Is Star into any freaky shit?
I mean, she can do pretty much anything with that wand.

>>93061761
>Wouldn't anything else require 'eggs into your dick'?
Yeah, but the eggs going up your butt would need to be pre-fertilized. They also are typically bigger because of the relative disparity in size between your butthole and dickhole, which makes them look more like eggs in the egg-laying animal sense.

The eggs going up your dick could be unfertilized ovums seeking out your sperm.

>The less you think about them, they more fun you'll have.

But thinking about these fetishes is how I discovered them. You never know whether you really dislike something until you immerse yourself in it.

>>93062071
*How I discovered they were my fetishes, I mean.

>>93061891
>Is Star into any freaky shit?
Probably. I mean imagine you were 14 on the cusp of puberty and you could make anything in your fantasy become reality. You'd experiment a bit.

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>>93062101
Definitely.

>>93034459
not anon but, laugh all you want, won't make you any less of a fag.

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>>93061704
>There's people who hate Star
There aren't. There was an anon who came to a thread once to mention he dislikes her though.

>>93062312
I hate Star. I only watch the show for Marco. Star haters do exist. Don't try to pretend like they don't.

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>>93062312
Clarification:
Star haters aren't people.

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>>93062194
what is that thing???