Pro or Anti Gun-Control?

>>92996888
Depends on the writer. Ennis is a edgy pussy who would probably have Frank push the narrative for gun control because he's a limey who loves getting his fudge packed in by the Gov't despite how much he says he hates them.

Every other writer would have Frank give some gay little speech about gun control, have Frank get killed by the "far right" maybe a McVeigh analogy and then his Blasian Trans successor fight fire with fire in the name of gun conrtol, or just have Frank show how fascist anti-gun control people are. They'll also be hypocrites by saying trust the cops and how you don't need guns while wearing BLM pins.

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>>92996888
Pro-Nazi

>>92996888
Both Frank and the guys he's up against get their weapons through illegal channels. I doubt he really cares about the debate.

>>92997158
yeah I heard Punisher was with Hydra now
Can someone elaborate? The fuck is up with that? Brain washing shenanigans?

>>92997194
Nick Spencer is a hack

you are now up to speed

>>92996888
the second amendment is a form of gun control, so pro

>>92996888
probably not full take-all-the-guns mode, but somewhere in the make-it-a-lot-harder-for-criminals-to-get-guns camp

Ranch or cool ranch?

>>92997194
From what I understand a few heroes are voluntarily joining Hydra with Cap for this Secret Empire thing.

>>92996888
pro
I mean, anti
I mean uh
wat

>>92997433
And given how much Frank respects Cap, it almost makes sense.

>>92997035
Someone's triggered

>>92997188
>get their weapons through illegal channels

but thats impossible! everyone knows once you ban guns they just disappear from the land

>>92997603
More frustrated about the current crop of western writers and how the future seems even worse.

>>92997433
>>92997574
it almost does if you're only thinking about it on a surface level. As soon as you consider that other than Cap, Hydra is run by literal supervillain terrorists, and that they just razed a city full of innocents for the crime of "the Champions were there for a few minutes," it starts to fall apart. Frank voluntarily joining Hydra, even with Cap at the head, is easily one of the most egregious instances of out-of-character writing in recent memory.

>>92997685
>Frank voluntarily joining Hydra, even with Cap at the head, is easily one of the most egregious instances of out-of-character writing in recent memory.

That's because it is written by a literal nutjob.

>>92997915
Well duh, Punisher is a Marvel character after all. It's kinda unavoidable these days.

>>92997915
see "Nick Spencer is a hack"

>>92997685
>Frank voluntarily joining Hydra, even with Cap at the head, is easily one of the most egregious instances of out-of-character writing in recent memory.
>one of the most
That sentence has the other one right there.

Of course its gonna be fucking idiotic, Captain America is running Hydra for some fucking reason, and has been too poorly rewritten for this to make much sense at all.

>>92997194
Frank is gay for Cap, so he joined Hydra.

>>92996888

He's the fucking embodiment of "random fuck doing the government's job", he literally couldn't think any other way.

He's not Dredd who wields absolute power through and in the name of the state, whose judgement is granted by the imperium of law and the political order, he's a bona fide vigilante renegade.

That should be permanently embed in his bio, "not Dredd"

>>92998200
at least Cap is deliberately out of character, and has a reasoning for being out of character, even if it's just Cosmic Cube lol. Frank is out of character but I wouldn't be surprised if Nick Spencer thinks this is in-character.

>>92996888
The only gun control Frank cares about is killing the people he thinks shouldn't have guns.

he's defiantly for gun control
his

>>92998305
>Cosmic Cube
Is that why Cap has been acting like that? Red Skull got smart with a cosmic cube? It's not the worst way they could make that story happen if they really had to make it.

I doubt he'd have much worthwhile opinion on the matter since he's pretty much mentally insane.

>>92998336

That's perp control, not gun control.

I think Frank prefers the bad guys to have guns for easier identification.

>>92998378
Yeah, it even had the classic, "using the Cosmic Cube to change reality usually backfires on you," by having Steve kill Red Skull due to a disagreement over how HYDRA should be run.

>>92998386
but then wouldn't he be for stronger gun control since only bad guys would have guns then?

>>92998465
>kill Red Skull
Red Skull is harder to kill than Deadpool. He'll be back.

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>>92998514
kind of hard to walk away from this

>>92998590
He's returned from worse

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>>92998590
He's had worse.

>>92998505

Where would he get his without being a bad guy himself though

>>92998760
he already gets his guns illegally

>>92997035
Shut up /pol/

>>92998655
>>92998683
His brain is leaking out onto the pavement in Secret Empire. Brubaker explicitly had Skull use the Cosmic Cube to transfer his consciousness to its next user before he died.

Also the subtle swastika death pose in Secret Empire was an inspired move by the artist.

>>92996888
He's probably for Limited But Strict Gun Control:
you can have guns, but not military-grade weapons, and have to take yearly tests to make sure you aren't going columbine easily and courses to make sure you actually know how to manage your weapons.

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>>92998590
>>92998655
>>92998683
Then cap gave his dead to magneto

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>>92998884
>military-grade weapons

>>92998884

Having been in the military, i doubt Frank buys into the military-style/grade/type meme.

None of that "assault weapons" shit either.

>>92999169
I love how Frank is always able to get his hands on machine guns, full auto rifles, explosives, and rockets/missile launcers, plus ammo for it all, just by taking it from criminals. I want a version of Frank where his arsenal consists almost entirely of shitty handguns because that's what criminals mostly use.

>>92999169
>>92999276
You know what the fuck he means.
An M16 is not a hunting weapon.

>>92999348
In Punisher Armory it's shown he has a shit ton of .32 ACP/.25 ACP/.380/.22LR Ring of Fire pistols that he uses to train with and get familiar with what street criminals use

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>>92998884
>military-grade weapons

So ban assault clips and shoulder things that go up?

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>>92999380
>An M16 is not a hunting weapon.
>Thinking an average civillian can buy an actual select fire M16 variant without shovelling out $25,000+ as well as filling out assloads of ATF paperwork
Also for you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKeA_xmZzCE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5PFgHClf4o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jT7GLeLtkME

>>92997158
If Hydra was brutally cracking down on crime this would make sense.
>I'm not reading any big tow comics right now so i don't know.

>>92999380
M-16s also aren't available for civilian sale outside a very few pre-86 models that will cost you well over the plus side $10k.

If you're referring to AR-type rifles then they're perfectly fine for hunting based on what caliber they're chambered for. The standard 5.56 round is considered adequate for anything up to and including deer and they're fairly popular for hog hunting.

>>92999561
no it wouldn't because Hydra is still run by literal terrorists

there is no scenario where Punisher=Hydra makes sense without magic or reality warping

>>92999380
>An M16 is not a hunting weapon.

Yes it is, when you use it for hunting.

5.56x45mm is just rebranded .223, 7.62x51mm is .308 and so on, we shoot at deer and gophers with shit that would be a warcrime on humans.

Or is it the "automatic fire is more dangerous" shit?

Considering his family was gunned down by organized crime he's probably pro but with moderation

>>92999411
I know, but I want a universe where that's pretty much all he has.

>>92999380
Assuming you mean ar15

Someone here has never hunted hogs or coyote

>>92999380
Who said they wanted a weapon for hunting? Why can't they have an M16? What's wrong with it?

>>92999597
>>92999516
And those would all be examples of gun control preventing you from having a military weapon.

>>92999681
No, I meant a literal M-16 as in an example of a weapon produced for use by the military, which is why I said M-16 as an example of a military weapon.

>>92999641
Are you seriously implying that the rate of fire makes absolutely no difference? A minigun and a bolt action rifle are identical if they both chamber a 7.62×51mm?
And "muh warcrime" is a fucking meme.
https://www.mca-marines.org/gazette/killing-myth

/k/iddies, if you're gonna pretend to know your shit, at least take a second to use google. And don't get triggered so damn easily.

>being anti guns
>2017

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>>92999953
Maybe you should word your sentences better, because the anon you mentioned meant "military grade weapon" as in a semi automatic rifle and not an actual select fire weapon
>And don't get triggered so damn easily.
It's difficult not to when you come off as sounding like a smug nu-male

>>92999953
Thing is full auto can make you less likely to hit you target. Decreased accuracy over medium range, most people having idiotic firing stances, etc

>>93000099
rampage killing isn't typically about shooting-range style responsible gun use, it's about getting up close and pulling the trigger once

it's a form of masturbation, essentially

>>92999953
M-16 is simply the military designation, you could freely own a functionally equivalent select-fire rifle for a good 20 years before the ban and you can still own a functionally equivalent select-fire rifle right now as long as you fill out the proper paperwork and are willing to pay the seller's price.

>>93000198
>M-16 is simply the military designation

if you believe that, I've got a bridge you can buy

M-16 and AR-15 are the same thing manufactured to wildly variant standards of quality

>>92999953
>Are you seriously implying that the rate of fire makes absolutely no difference?

In handheld weapons fed by a magazine like that, no, it doesnt, any beginner shooter can magdump a semi auto at comparable speeds if he wants to but depressing the trigger with a full auto gun will always be less accurate and deplete the magazine faster.

Full auto is useful in a very specific context of a hectic firefight in which you have an extremely narrow window to hit a target before it shoots you, and even then it's hardly an advantage to controlled single shots. Only belt fed weapons make any use of auto, and as combat footage shows, only in short bursts of 5-6 shots.

>>93000025
It's current year guys!

>>93000168
Then you just going to waste a large number of rounds on one target. The most dangerous spree shooters are the ones who don't mag dump on auto like an idiot

>>93000233
Your right, some are are better made than s

anyone who knows anything about guns understands how retarded gun control is

that's why it's impossible to take any kind of gun legislation seriously, because the people who write it don't know anything about the thing they are trying to stop

>>92996888
Am I, or is the Punisher?
I feel like the answer to both would be anit.

>>93000606
Some are are better made than m-16s

>>93000233
The full designation of the gun is Rifle, Caliber 5.56 mm, M16. Production of the AR-15 predates adoption of the rifle as the M16 by five years. And yes, the military requested several changes to the gun which were in turn applied to the entire production line. If you're referring to mil-spec in regards to things like rate of twist and tolerance standards then you're just quibbling, especially since mil-spec is designed to simplify maintenance and training and is usually outclassed performance-wise by civilian specifications.

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>>92998336
>>92998386
You shoot the perps AND you take their guns.

>>92997188
I've seen him say "the law doesn't matter. I'm still getting mine" before.

>>92997302
Why do you say this?

>>92998884
So, given that he lives in NYC, anti gun control, as their laws are a lot stricter than that already.

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>>92997574
no it doesnt
no matter how much respect Frank has for Cap, the mission is always first
if he has to, he would put a bullet in cap

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I'll just leave this here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX4qUsgHa4Y

Pro. of course. Gun nut minus gun = baby minus pacifier.

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>>93000776
>Vox

>>93000738
He only killed Cap there because Cap was bitten by a zombie and wanted to die before he turned.

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>>92996888
is there STORY about Frank out of guns/ammo and is forced to kill with knives,arrows or just his fists? I always assumed the guns are just tools to him what matter the most is his mission not the how

>>92998790
>>92997603
Spot the Tumblrinas

>>93000731
because despite being a lunatic with a death wish, he is probably all in favor of whatever solution means he gets shot at less

>>93000869
and now he's been bitten by a Nazi and already turned

>>93000738
That specific panel had Cap feeling that he is about to turn into a cannibal zombie, and ASKED Frank to do what he does.

>>93000885
there are several instances where as the story progresses he loses access to guns and ammo and has to go after the bad guys without, but I don't know if there's a whole story like that. Probably, though.

>>93000808
No that's true, the majority of US homicides are carried out using firearms.

>>93000776

>UK
>Massively higher density and minority population %

Yeah bullshit, thats numbers not rate

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>>93000776
>vox

>>93000980
I understand that, but you are aware that most of those crimes are inner city shootings, too. In fact, if subtract gang related crime, then the US would have a substantially lower gun crime rate.
Also it's unfair to compare gun crime in the US with gun crime in other countries due to the population size differences and diversity(For instance, the US is going to be A LOT larger in terms of population and more racially diverse than, say, Australia or the U.K.)

>>92996888
Whoever goes pro-gun control is nothing more than a willing prey.

>>93000904
In NYC, nobody who's shooting at him has gotten their guns legally.

>>93000885
There's the story in the rape porn building, that has sci fi gun scanners, and there's the time he showed up in England and hadn't had a chance to get his shit yet,.

>>93001241
but it's a lot harder to get ANYTHING illegally if you can't get it legally, not just guns. Like why does that never get through /k/omrades' heads. They think there's this bustling black market for guns, when really it's just people stealing or buying legal guns second-hand.

>>93001319
We're talking about a comic book character, no? Has ANY criminal in marvel ever had a problem getting guns in NYC?

>>93001319
Straw purchasing is a thing, you know. That's how people buy legal guns second hand. It's also a crime

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>>92996888
>gun control

I'm all for guns being legal for hunting but you aren't buying that AR-15 for hunting Jimbo you just want to yell about the blacks and the muslims.

>>93001437
See >>92999516

>>93001437
>just want to yell about the blacks and the muslims

Why yell when you can shoot

Around blacks never relax

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>>93001437
>everyone who buys an AR-15 is a racist
>firearms should only be used for hunting

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>>93001013
Sorry friend, it's rate

The UK, even with a massively higher density and minority population percent, does in fact have a much, much lower RATE of homicide than the united states

So something else is a factor besides density and minorities there

guns maybe? i dunno

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>>92996888
Pro, like guns but dont want deranged fucks that further damage the image of users that properly use them

>>92997254
Second Amendment is not gun control really. It states a free mans right to weaponry with no restrictions put in which is literally the opposite.
Personally id feel Frank would be pro-gun.
Pretty sure he wouldnt mind a little help.

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>>93001565

>>93001437
>but you aren't buying that AR-15 for hunting
Says who?
Never hunted boar? No? Of course not.

>>93001319
Look hon if someone really wanted to shoot somebody all you need is some pipe and nails from your local home depot.
We at /k/ are of the mind that violence shall always be present and restricting the god-given rights of man over emotional bullshit that has no reflection in reality is garbage.
Fucking redcoats

>>93001570
Frank would have no problems with people using a firearm to defend themselves or their home

>>93001319
> people stealing or buying legal guns second-hand
Gun crafting is still a thing my friend i imagine getting the machinery to craft below average guns in burgerkistan is not that farfetched, and spics and niggers will still buy them even if they are trash.

>>93001557
>So something else is a factor besides density and minorities there

Niggers

Switzerland: everyone has guns, almost no crime

Japan: nobody has guns, almost no crime

Its ethnic diversity that ruins countries

I actually don't understand what the point of hunting with an automatic rifle would be. Doesn't that kind of take the whole "sports" aspect out of it?

Hey I found an animal, oh now it's dead, that was sure fun.

>>93001373
exactly. If there are less legal guns, that means there are less guns to buy illegally second-hand.

>>93001652
Okay but how many people are going to make pipe-and-nail guns? Maybe people in /k/ would, but most people wouldn't have the knowhow or drive for that.

Actually /k/ should be all in favor of gun control come to think of it. If everyone loses guns, the pipe-and-nail /k/ommandos would be kings

>>93001718

Doesnt hunting with anything but a spear take the sport out of it?

Hint: the hunting part is tracking and sneaking

>>93001693
>Japan
there's almost no crime because the police are either a) massively corrupt or b) just don't bother pursuing cases because of the general culture.

>>93001752
>but most people wouldn't have the knowhow or drive for that.

Those interested would. Like gangbangers and inmates.

>>93001319
Most illegally acquired firearms are through straw purchases, part of the black market. Even if you're using a restrictive definition of black market there is still a bustling black market for guns; Australia, for example, has a rather large problem with gun smuggling and illegal manufacture based around motorcycle gangs.

>>92996888
Pro gun control, this was addressed in the comics several times.

>>93001808
Well I'd like to see someone shoot up a school with pipes and nails then

>>93001847

I wouldn't like to see anyone shoot up a school at all, my psychopathic liberal friend.

>>93001437
Once again, you've never hunted hogs or coyote have you?

>>93001808
So by your logic, countries with strict gun control (Canada, UK, Australia) should be teeming with people that have makeshift jury-rigged firearms.

Are they?

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>>93001718
>automatic rifle
Wew lad

>>92997603
Subtle Carlos

>>93001652
God gave you rights to own a gun?

>>93001880
>Are they?

Yes.

>>93001874
>I wouldn't like to see anyone shoot up a school at all
your stance on gun control speaks to the contrary

>>92998683
What happened to his face?!

>>93001809
>straw purchases
>buying legal guns illegally secondhand
you really don't think that would go down if legal guns were harder to acquire?

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>>93001918
>If you're against gun control, you want children to die
Holy projection, Batman

>>93001880
Yeah, they are.

>>93001918

Would-be shooters should be shot before the act, where's the contradiction?

>>93001653
Frank would also know that in reality a gun is far more likely to be used to commit a crime than to prevent one.

Frank is no bullshit. He doesn't buy gun nut propaganda like most of the wet behind the ears /k/faggots.

>>93001752
Gangs in Ausfailia are already making home made submachine guns. Where there's cash and a market, there's a way

>>93001897
Any weapon that isn't a manual loader (like a revolver) is an automatic, a glock is an automatic.

I thought you gun fags knew your shit?

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>>93001918

>>93001959
how do you know a would-be shooter before they start shooting people?
>because he has guns
but so would everyone else

Also if you walk in on one person with a gun shooting another person with a drawn gun, how do you know who's the agressor and who's the defender? Was the threat just stopped, or is it still imminent and in need of an immediate response on your part?

Also, does anyone actually think giving school-age teenagers guns is a good idea? serious question

>>93001963
>Frank is no bullshit. He doesn't buy gun nut propaganda like most of the wet behind the ears /k/faggots.

You don't know many vietnam vets do you

>>93002023
>gets told
>lel librul tears

Back to your safe space kiddo.

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>>93001996
I stoop myself down to the intelligence of anti-gunners because I don't like to confuse them with the technicals
I clearly underestimated you. But anyways, have an original ad for the Colt SP1 AR-15 that advertises it as a hunting weapon

>>93002034
>how do you know a would-be shooter before they start shooting people?

He's pointing at people

Doesn't matter Frank Hail Hydra now

>>93001996
A block is semi-automatic, not automatic. Please fail less

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More ads that show the AR-15 for hunting

>>93001942
Yes, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the amount of illegal firearms will go down. Most countries that enact strict gun control don't see large-scale changes in crime rates, just in methods. That doesn't even hold true in areas with powerful criminal elements. Mexico has had strict gun control for a very long time, damn near all of Central and South America likewise.

>>93002058

Told what, that you like to sacrifice children for political goals?

>>93001693
>Niggers
Wouldn't the rate still be higher even if you removed it?

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Actually I may dump my entire gun ad folder that advertises semi-automatic rifles for hunting

>>93002089
Glock, fuck autocorrect

>>93002106
yes but we're talking about the first world, not third-world shitholes

>>93001996
>I thought you gun fags knew your shit?

now why would you think a silly thing like that?

>>93002089
>literally has the word "automatic" in it
>DURR NO ITS NOT AN AUTOMATIC

You are so fucking stupid. You are confusing the concept of automatic fire with the concept of an automatic firearm. These words have definitions you toothless retard. A glock is an automatic, capable of semi-automatic fire. Read a fucking book you dumbshit.

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Not just rifles either!

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>If everyone in the room has a gun, it's the safest room ever!
>Guns are banned from Trump rallies

I'm confused. Shouldn't people be encouraged to take guns to Trump rallies? If someone tries to shoot Trump he'd just be taken down by all the other gun-wielders there.

That's how the logic works right?

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. Frank is a goddamn American patriot.

Thank Obama for crying on tv because of Sandy Vagina. Sold more guns than any NRA ad that way.

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>>93002238
>Projecting this hard

>>93001942
It's more complicated than that. Switzerland and the Czecks are swimming in legal guns, but not in illegal guns or mass homicides.

>>93002275
Why are we putting slave-owners on a pedestal as the ultimate authorities on human rights?

>>93002275
he's more of a libertarian who doesn't give a fuck about national pride because all that matters is the mission

>>93002302
Projecting what? Guns were banned from Trump Rallies. That's a fact.

How does this mesh with the whole "more guns make a place safer" rhetoric? I'm genuinely curious

>>93002172
Australia has had strict gun control for 20 years yet not only didn't see a significant decline in crime rates - only a continuation of prior trends, it now has a large and profitable black market for firearms.

>>93002238
Secret Service are a bunch of killjoys.

>>93001570
>It states a free mans right to weaponry with no restrictions put in
actually, doesn't it talks about having arms in a well-regulated militia?

>>93002391
You assume that gun owners made the decision and not the Secret Service.
Fun fact, not all gun owners like Trumpster

>>93002054
most Vietnam war vets don't go on a one man, 30-year crusade/murder spree

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>>93002058
>being this much of a cuck
>"if you disagree with my political opinion, it means you want children to die"

I wonder how far your head had to be up your own ass to come to that conclusion. I knew /co/mblr was ripe with this weak nu-male shit, but god damn you are bottom of the barrel shit.

>>93002172
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Nice_attack
87 dead by a truck. At least if you allow law abiding citizens to carry guns they have a change to defend themselves.

>>93002391

Because political rallies already have armed security, normal people's houses don't. Additionally, assassination attemps have been made.

>>93002511
from Truck-kun there is no defence.

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>>93002503
keep the insults coming, it just validates the other side

>>93002034
Take a CCW class, and they'll explain your scenario in great detail. It really doesn't happen.

We used to have shooting classes in high school back in the 60s. And we drafted school age teenagers and sent them to fight in vietnam and on the beaches of normandy.

If you can trust someone to drive a car, they're OK for guns. Of course there's a lot of fuckers on the road who probably shouldn't be but that's a separate problem.

>>93002180
>automatic
Where? Show me on the glock 43 where automatic is. Oh wait, you can't, because its not and never will be.

>>92996888
He doesn't care one way or the other. All that matters to him is how many criminals are still alive.

>>93002351
The right to bear arms trumps your "rights" to feel safe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_and_legal_rights

>>93002387
It's the most American thing to say "fuck off and leave my alone or I'll shoot you with my guns"

>>93002540
So you don't need guns if the authorities have guns? Is that your position?

>>93002502

Most just keep their own guns and distrust the police and federal government.

>>93002549
>point out flaw in argument
>damage control

lol k

>>93002511
>At least if you allow law abiding citizens to carry guns they have a change to defend themselves.
From a truck?

>>93002590
>The right to bear arms trumps your "rights" to feel safe.

On the contrary, my right to live in a society that's not overflowing with gun crime, and my right to not have a high chance of getting shot in the head, trumps your "right" to a false sense of security

>>92997302
This, something reasonable to keep guns out of the hand of low level idiots to keep them from doing something rash and stupid leading to Frank having to Frank fucks below him

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>>93002646

>>93002591
Are the authorities omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent? Can your authorities be trusted to do what they're supposed to and not oppress you 100% of the time? In a perfect world nobody needs any firearms. In our world, everybody should have firearms to defend themselves from crime and tyranny.

>>93002656
Me having a gun doesn't put your life in danger. Me shooting at you does.

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>>92999348
Pic related.

Come on fuckers. Don't let this shit get TOO far from the comics.

>>93002656
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phBEhZK5pvY

No such thing. It's a natural right guaranteed by the Bill of Rights.

>>93002656
Right because banning guns will definitely prevent other people from doing crimes and/or completely stop them from obatanining firearms in other ways.

Hey, anyone else thankful on how the War on Drugs completely stopped all drug trafficking in America? Easily the greatest decision made since we banned the selling of alcohol in the 1920's I'd say.

>>92997685
I'm hoping Frank just joined because he's working with Black Widow and is waiting for his chance to Frank the Frank out of Hydra high command but who am I kidding that would be good and Marvel dosent do good

>>93000080
>>93000808
>Bunnicula waifufag
>Having a valid opinion ever
You don't even own guns you autist

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>>93002708
Shit, that made me laugh a bit.

>>93002590
but he's not saying fuck off and leave me alone, he's saying "if you have committed a crime, I'm going to shoot you with my guns"

Castle Doctrine is named after him, so I'd say he's for gun rights.

>>93002646
that why they should legalise open carry of fully-automatic bazookas

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>>93002731
>NRA
>got a black guy to do a news segment
Is this pandering or not?

>>93002860
Violating the NAP is a crime. Frank hunts criminals.

>>93002886
Not a refutation.

>>93002880
>http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Media/Slideshow/2013/03/28/10-Weapons-You-Wont-Believe-Are-Legal?page=2

God bless America.

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>>93002798
>You don't even own guns you autist
Then what's this

>>93002878
>Castle Doctrine is named after him
that's bullshit but I believe it

>>93002886
Where is this "right" to feel safe in the U.S. Constitution? Still waiting.

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>>93002463
Yes, the well regulated (meaning in working order as consistent with the same phrase in other parts of the Constitution) militia being the People as a whole. Everyone is in the Militia in a constitutional sense, it basically evokes a state of total war in the case of an enemy attack on the homeland.

>>93002391
He just doesn't want a repeat of Ford Theater, or the Parade in Dallas, or whatever Roosevelt was doing when that one crank with a gun shot him.

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I'm going to leave this here. Feel free to draw your own conclusions.

>>93002463
Well regulated as in function not rules. Militia as in the entire adult population. Not the army

>>93002727
None of those guns are shitty. They're all name-brand mid-priced guns. Where are the Lorcins? I want to see Frank have to beat a criminal to death the remains of his gun after it blows up in his hand.

>>93003248
I don't know 1700 English well enough to object, so I'm going to take your word for it.

>>93003158
they ARE bad graphs.

If people having guns doesn't matter, then it also means people NOT having guns doesn't matter, so why not just ban them?

>because a robber might have a gun so you want one to

So... the robber having a gun DOES matter?

>>93003275
>None of those guns are shitty
That's the point, he wants to practice with worse guns but all the stuff he picks off criminals is good good enough at least because they also want something functional.

>>93003077
right next to the right to own automatic weapons

the right to "arms" just means you have a right to a pistol, really.

or taken to the other extreme, it means you have the right to own a nuke.

No arbitrary in-betweens.

>>93003137
>whatever Roosevelt was doing when that one crank with a gun shot him
doing a victory lap for winning the Presidency, I think. Or giving a campaign speech for the Bull Moose party if you're talking about Teddy

although it's unclear if the guy was actually targeting FDR

>>93003394
>lel automatic weapons are illegal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act
>hurr durr whataboutnukes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2tLVPVS0Bc

Also, still waiting for that nonexistent Feel Safe Act

>>93002463
It says
>A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
It clearly states that the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, the mention of militias at the beginning is just a prefatory clause to establish why the right is important. It's saying that people can't form well-regulated militias without access to guns.

>>93003275
Notice how he talks about wanting to try again with shittier guns?

Come to think of it. Estimates. How many Hi-points has the Punisher owned.

>>93003394
>>93003296
Consider the high court case on the matter, where it's OK to ban sawed off bootleger shotguns, because no police or millitary unit at the time used them, and were therefore unsuitable for the militia.


And NYC's laws forbid civillian possession and ownership of pistols anyways.

>>93003356
Who are you replying to?

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>Mina shitposter is an alt-right Trumpkin

Oh, I'm going to have fun with this every time I see them in a thread from now on

>>92996888
He believes in justice and punishing the guilty so of fucking course he'd be for gun control. Just not for him

>>93003394
>right to a pistol
Do tell me where in the right to bear arms that I am constrained in any way of what I am allowed to own and use? Yes, I do have the right to own a nuclear device by way of the 2nd amendment if not for the fact that it is indiscriminate between innocents and hostiles. Nearly any kind of gun, including cannons, is considered discriminate enough in the hands of its wielder that it can be owned. This is the reason why you can't trap your property with landmines.

>>93003567
How does gun control ensure justice and punishing the guilty?

>>93003567
Firearms ownership isn't a crime though, nice try.

>>92997603
Is it you?

>>93001880
We are.

>>93003538
As I said, I'm not versed in 1700 English.
I would have interpreted it reversed: the right to arms is subordinated to the "well regulated Militia" and, most important, FOR THE SECURITY OF THE STATE.

In short, people should have right to own weapons so they can join a militia to defend the state- it says nothing about self-defence.

But, as I said, I'm not versed in 1700 English.

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>>93003554
>alt-right Trumpkin
>Because I support gun ownership
Fucking wew lad, could you throw anymore buzzwords in there

>>93002936
I'm a different anon.

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>itt /co/ firmly burns a bridge between itself and /k/

>>93003784
Fun fact, there were working machine guns as early as the revolutionary war. The FF knew damn well that technology would advance, but that wasn't relevant for their line of thinking. The reasons why it explicitly states SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED

>>93003945
There's plenty of arguing both ways.
Not that /co/ as a whole ever got along with /k/ in the first place.

>>93003158
>Mexico

Holy shit what a pit.

>>93003945
not like /co/ and /k/ were ever that close to begin with

>>93003945
who did talk about the type of weapons?
I'm talking about the USE of weapons.

You have the right to OWN firearms, not to actually USE them outside the Militia\the security of the State

>>93003784
>it says nothing about self-defence.
It says nothing about defending the state either, probably because the people who wrote it just finished rebelling against the state and knew that the people might have to do it again. The second amendment is about "the people" being able to fight for their own interests if necessary.
Why would the government need to give its own people the right to enlist in the military? Why would it need to argue for the right of its own military to have guns?

>>93004000
It's almost like all the legislation in the world can't help you if your society has deeper issues.

>>93002646
Yes, because even a .22 can go through the glass or any of the sheet metal on said truck to fill Achmed with holes.

>>93003554
Everyone who browses Bunnicula threads are redpilled to some degree. Where do you think the Bosnian Genocide posts came from?

>>93003013
I can completely believe all of those are legal, what a shitty list.

>>93003158
You're arguing with antigun coastalfags and euroniggers. You can use EVERY SINGLE SOURCE in the world to prove them bullshitters, but they'll brush it off.

>>93003784
Some constitutional scholars have attempted to argue that case, that the right to arms is collective and not individual.

But the previous drafts and the federalist and antifederalist papers arguing about the various formulations make it unambiguous. The supreme court has been fairly consistent on this as well, allthough not full on definitive until very recently.

I mean at the time of the writing they didn't even want a permanent standing army, and there was no such thing as professional police forces. The idea was authority was from the people, so government use of force was of the people as well, as in posses.

No society has been able to legislate itself arms without intense conflict either just prior or directly afterwards.
Be very careful when giving away your rights, you cannot get them back without counting on things getting terrible.

>>93004044
You can make that argument. The supreme court disagrees with you on part of it, but the conditions on exactly when the government can restrict your right to USE a gun certainly isn't enumerated in the constitution.

Self defense is the only thing I think the high court has ruled on, though.

>>93004208
>Where do you think the Bosnian Genocide posts came from?
I can't tell if you're joking or not. I've never been to the threads because 12 year old waifus and vampire rabbits aren't that appealing to me, but I'm going to believe you anyways.

>>93004104
>It says nothing about defending the state
Addendum to this, because I think I wasn't clear enough.
"Defending the state" is not the same as "securing a free state", because the state may not be free. If it isn't, then defending the state would directly contradict any act to secure a free state through militias.

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>>92999953
any gun I can buy right now is just fine if not better to shoot a school filled with children.
little buggers run quite too fast for my liking so accuracy is a must.

>>93001570
yes it's a legal statute which forms the basis of how firearms are treated under all other statutes

no gun control would involve repealing the second amendment and simply ignoring the issue, leaving you free to own or not own and use or not use guns as you saw fit, but still liable for crimes arising from their use (assuming the law wasn't simply turned off in whole resulting in anarchy); in effect, treating guns as inescapable in the manner of daylight or water (specifically guns, since 2A is usually cited in response to guns, though in fact it simply refers to "arms", meaning weapons but not differentiating between say a knife used as a combat weapon or a knife used in hunting or food prep, which are essentially the same tool put to different uses despite what some people will argue)

>>93002463
it does

>A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed

but the people answering you (three as I start replying) are leaving out that 200+ years of legal opinion has not adequately defined 2A beyond itself, and US state and federal law on weapons ownership in fact only has to bear in mind the concept of weapon ownership, not automatically defer to 2A; it is legal, for example, to restrict the sale and ownership of firearms subject to other criteria, which themselves descend from other constitutional rights

a "militia" in particular isn't well defined as your respondents suggest; it may be nationwide, or it may refer to the state's individual rights to resist the federal government or other belligerent states within the union or states outside the union which the union has no intention of fighting federally (though this in turn is further restricted by the Neutrality Act (1794) and associated legislation; see also Aaron Burr)

there's more and it becomes complicated; start here

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/second_amendment