Haha

>>92992159
aren't most jap and western animation done by koreans anyway

>>92992171
That's always been an exaggerated claim to the point it's almost a meme.

A lot of key animators for anime are still Japanese.

>>92992159
Before this becomes a shit stirring contest let me just say you're comparing a movie to a tv show. It's bull shit either way.

>>92992159
Haha its true. Cartoons suck.

>>92992252
The only western 2d movies are French and they're such weebs they're basically japs themselves.

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why are these comparisons always so disingenuous

like when people compare 80s ovas to early 00s tv shows

and cinematic animation vs tv animation

are they just dumb, or they sarcastic in the first place?

And the real fun part is that an American animator earns like three times as much money as a Japanese animator.

Also, Rick & Morty is animated in South-Korea. It's literally an AH-KNEE-MAAY.

>>92992171

Where were you when Korean animation surpassed Japan? I like how Japan is basically regurgitating shit from the 80s and 90s and kids think this stuff is brand new. Meanwhile Korean studios are being directed by Western writers and creating something actually different.

>>92992159
One is a high-budget anime movie.

The other is TV show.

>>92992236
Nah.

>THE WEST
>shows a cartoon made in fucking KOREA

Holy shit, you retards are retarded.

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>>92992329

This is a bait thread and that has already been pointed out multiple times.

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>>92992171
gookman here, we still don't have many good ORIGINAL creative contents (video games or cartoon) anyway.

We seem to be good on animating other people's work, though

It shows that korean education tries to nurture everything BUT creativity, it is a shame really

>>92992329
so they rather should just show a blank image for the west?

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>>92992264
>Movie about polar expeditions in tsarist Russia.
Such a staple of weeb culture.

>>92992392
You're dissing on Squirrel and Hedgehog?

>>92992255
No they don't. Japan makes plenty of good ones.

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Can we turn this into a Kumatetsu thread?

>>92992564
Make it a Mamoru Hosoda thread (or even a foreign animation thread) and you got youself a deal.

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>>92992159
But West write better husbandos and waifus than japs who just copy paste same archetype animu personalities and faces.

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>>92992392
>Nip-Nong
>on 4chan
>/co/
Somehow this seems less than likely.

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>>92992582

>>92992669
The human like women in that cartoon do have romances with monster characters, tho

>>92992267
No one cares about being accurate, just about being "right"

>>92992268
This is somewhat misleading because these comparisons tend to compare entry level positions, and entry-level inbetweening work is not done in the US.

The Japanese system rewards animators who can do their work quickly, and there is always a steady need for animators because of the number of shows being produced. An animator here can go for long stretches of time without any work.

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>>92992431
Nah, some animation still happens here.

Just not much.

>>92992159
>everytime "the west" is represented by the trashiest American thing they could find
I'd call it weak bait but we know it works everytime.

Compare rick and morty with knights of sidonia, noy a high budget movie that uses actual animation

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>b-but Korean animators!

>Japanese animators still make keyframes animations and only send stuff in for inbetween and occasional cleanup work

>meanwhile, be an American animator who spent a fortune to get educated and make connections to animate
>you literally don't animate in anything except 3d movies, if you're doing 2d it will always be for a tv studio because 2d movies in america are fucking dead, but even then you don't fucking animate on tv anymore unless it's a tween show
>worked on a couple of shows for cn and nick and there isn't a single position in their animation studios where people make keyframes, american animation is in such a state where the only work "animators" do is storyboards, and basic ones at that, while the koreans do most of the work. If they do get americans to do anything it's only ever freelance work for commercials and almost never the show itself.
>literally won't allow you to work any other way, the thing you spent four fucking years at school for, to animate motion to motion, key to key, you don't fucking do that traditionally anymore, only if you work on puppet animation

I had to quit after five years because I just couldn't take it, I eventually just moved to the videogame industry because at least you can fucking animate there.

Fuck everyone who says things are fine, they're not, western animation is a fucking disgrace

>>92992657
Gook = korean
Nip = japanese

>>92992828
>literally has only worked in the US
>THE ENTIRE WEST IS A DISGRACE

>>92992582
>has to use shitty fanfiction and an idealized AU image of his husbando to get his point
Star vs. cucks are starting to become worst than SUfags.

>>92992264
bullshit you just don't look well enough

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>>92992159

>>92992828
>I eventually just moved to the videogame industry because at least you can fucking animate there.
Are you working on something like 2D point and click adventures with a shitton of animations?

>>92992898
3d ruined anime. The amount of trainwrecks using those retarded generic 3d models painted over to look 2d is ridiculous

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>>92992159
gr8 b8 m8 i r8 8/8

>>92992854
Is just a better show than your animu same faces cardboard cut outs. Deal with it.

gasp Wait a minute! This Bait has:
8 Beautiful Sides
8 Awesome Angles
8 Interesting Sides
8 Terrific Angles

This Bait’s an Octagon!

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>>92992159
go back to >>>y/a/y OP, you're lost.

>>92992159
What anime is that?

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>>92992431
Yes

>>92993298
see >>92992564

>>92993242
They did berserk dirty

>>92992159
have you seen the original 1940 Pinocchio, completely hand drawn still holds up to this day

>And now that we have placed the bait, we watch the retards walk into it!

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>>92993090
Eight is also the number of Chaos, which is exactly what bait sets out to create.

>>92992159
>implying that the onne in the top is indusrty standar

>>92992268
american animators dont fucking animate

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>when /a/ says your "waifu" is not a real waifu for being western cartoon.

>when /a/ says she is ugly as fuck and dumb as hell like all cartoons.


I... I didn't even wanted a waifu anyways.

>>92992159
>Japan has a flourishing animation industry and (currently) a bustling economy
>Americans have to beg the industry for money and/or suffer 3-8 years between seasons because cartoons are considered "for children"
>Americans can't sell shit to audiences unless there are famous celebrities XD and pop culture references in their works

>>92992159
The state of the animation industry in japan is shit right now.
>Lower and lower budgets
>Less time between seasons
>Less episodes a season
But of course come to /co/ and make another generic shitposting thread.

>>92992159
>>92992252
This. You could have a fucking field day with finding mediocre TV animation in Japan.

>>92992264
Better be weebs with good 2d output than this disgrace >>92992159

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Thanks for giving me an excuse to post this garbage.

>>92994615
I don't remember this in soul eater

>>92994633
its the spin off

>>92993985
So is this thread heresy against the imperium

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>>92992159
Instead of OP's shitty bait thread can we have east referencing west and vice versa thread

>>92992159
>the west
Studio Trigger need to quit relying on Flash Animation. Wait. It's a Nip studio.

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>>92992582
>than japs who just copy paste same archetype animu personalities and faces
FALSE.
>Frankie from Foster's
>Wendy from Gravity Falls
>that one girl from Infinity Train
Lauren Faust is the cartoon archetype.

A Goddess amongst the cartoon industry virgin nerd lords.

Can we be actually honest and admit he has a point, cherrypicking aside?
Your average anime TV show is way better animated than a modern TV cartoon.

>>92992159
I'll take the west. More entertaining, less pretentious, still ends up looking better. Less furfaggotry.

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>>92993242
I wouldn't have mind a berserk anime in the style of Inferno Cop or Ninja Slayer tbqh fampai

>>92994776
Are we talking of all time or modern stuff?

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>>92992329
>THE WEST. shows a cartoon made in fucking KOREA

Because it´s cheap.

Everybody use Korea because because it's enough cheap for air to cable Tv. But the low birthrate is one of Korea’s most urgent socio-economic challenges and people need find another place for animate cartoons.

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>>92992159
Ok.

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>>92994444
Fuck off Laika fags!

>>92994741
But redheads are cute. CUTE

>>92992854
5 months too late to come to that conclusion.

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>>92992705
I think it was John K (yeah I know, but he's still a business insider) who said that this is one of the reasons why animation, specially 2D animation is dead in the US of A. According to him, and other animators, NO animation is done here. Much like the American car industry the Animator's Union pushed for larger wages, even for entry level positions like inbetweener, over time his extended to animators, and yes the wages are higher, too high, lets be honest, no CEO is going to put a ton of money on a show he doesn't even know will succeed, so he will just get some Koreans to do it. The only job Americans do is storyboard and layout. In the past we had Japanese doing outsourcing, now we have Worst Koreans. According to John K the problem with the Worst Koreans is this:
>Before you can animate you have to do two other things: storyboard and layout.
>After that comes the key pose which ARE NOT supposed to be exact copies of the layouts.
>Koreans don't know his for some reason, and in fact they actually end up toning down the layout poses. If you want to know why American toons never look as good the storyboard, well this is the reason
>Worst Koreans also don't understand that good animation doesn't have equal movements, which explains why Murrican cartoons look robotic as all hell.
All this because of unions, fuck these liberal cunts. At least we have YouTube animations, oh wait...
>>92992828
Chris O'Neil you potato eating primate. Is this you?

>>92992159
It's a shame that the top still looks awful for all the effort. The movements are slow and meandering for what's supposed to be a fight scene and don't convey any of the weight that they should.

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>>92994919
I nominate Mexico for this.

>>92992268
Anime isn't defines by a nationality you, in the same way cartoons are not, you mong. Plus, Koreans do the background animations and other shit the Americans don't want to do

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>>92995188
>Animator's Union pushed for larger wages
>pic related
Well damn, I was planning to have a studio of my own one day that did animate things. Guess I'll have to stick to hiring and teaching minors how to draw the same picture over and over again.

>>92995247
We'll see how Trump' s presidency goes, he has already blocked Ford from moving it's production to Beanland

>>92993302
I've been watching too many chinese cartoons. Forgot how good animation could be.

Despite the understandable gloom and doom that people are talking about in regards to the current state of the Murrican animation industry I do have this prediction: 2D will come back. There was time when you couldn't find it anywhere in American films. Now more movies have 2D scenes:
>The backstory animation in Sausage Party
>The fact that a majority of the Spongebob movie was done in 2D
>The 2D opening of minions
So yeah I think it'll come back. There just needs to be that one studio that keeps it alive, that's kind of what Laika is to stop-motion

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>>92995188
So what you're telling me is we have to bring back jobs to this country and make animation great again?

>>92995335
All we need is a viral video about how we're losing our animators due to unreasonable regulations and Trump will do something about it.

>>92994946
>the only response to american animation is to post a series of shorts that were explicitly made to be as ugly as possible
impressive, very nice

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>>92995330
>45 dollars hourly
You know, I would of been perfectly fine with 17 dollars an hour. I guess I should just move into doing animation for video games like Spazkid.

>furry bait fighting anime
Really impressing me here, weebs.

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>>92994085
Tell me the whole story Anon

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>>92992159

Seems unfair to compare a movie to a television series.

>>92995330
>78,000 dollars a year to make noodlearm shit

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Clearly what we need is to shift to 3D animation, but use whatever voodoo space magic Guilty Gear uses to make it's 3D models look like 2D animation.

>>92995543
Honestly I think the best chance 2D has is if a group of guys pull a "Daicon Film" and bunk together for a year to animate something special on their own.

>>92995921
Disney did some good work there, but Japan is experimenting with it a lot more

>>92995921
Fuck off, 3D has the same issues flash does.

>>92995969
You realize that's a product of low effort and not medium choice, right?

>>92992171
most of the puppet tweening animation isn't

>>92996003
To do what you would want to do in 2D with 3D would take more effort.

Creating a new model for every frame would take longer.

>>92996083
What makes you think a new model needs to be made for every frame?

>>92996136
It doesn't need to happen, but to meet the quality of traditional animation it does.

The nature of traditional animation forces the animator to make the proper unique keyframe for each unique movement (inbetweening is important but slightly less thoughtful)

With 3D it's the same issue as flash, it's all puppet animation with model limitations and reused assets.

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>>92994672
Studio Trigger are massive westaboos, I remember the chaos that one of its Staff has started after He went to /a/ and gave away spoilers for the new episodes ... also picture related

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>>92995188
>fuck these liberal cunts

>>92992298
Yep! :)

>>92996202
>It doesn't need to happen, but to meet the quality of traditional animation it does.
It really fucking doesn't. Stop exaggerating.

>>92995393
There were also several parts of the Captian Underpants movie in 2d.

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>>92995942
https://youtu.be/-840keiiFDE

>when the music kicks in
>that superman, batman, and spiderman
>that Darth Vader
>that fucking explosion of beautiful shit at the end


Holy shit
Holy SHIT

>>92996317
Nope, it's the truth, you can't morph and stretch and angle a model like you need to.

Genndy did good work on Hotel Transylvania, but you can only go so far.

>>92993012

Not him but star vs, is pretty animu inspired

>>92996386
Twelve guys in a basement

>>92992267

It's called cherry picking, and it's an inherently flawed argument.

Finding out of context, specific examples and presenting them in your argument to artificially "buff" one over the other.

You could just as well find an extremely shitty anime examples and compare them to western cartoons (such as the Pain/Naruto fight sequence).

Of course, how many anons realize this remains to be seen.

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>>92996386
TWELVE GUYS IN A BASEMENT

>>92995795
Average income in America is in the $50k range and the animation industry is clustered in areas with high costs of living. Managing a Wal-Mart in Bumfuck, Nowhere can net you a six figure salary.

>>92996409
"Every frame' is blatant bullshit, though. The few extra models needed are fine given how much can (and will) be constantly reused.

Besides that, the most important thing needed isn't squash and stretch. We're not trying to perfectly remake fucking Popeye or Micky Mouse. What's needed is to retain the overall feel of the old stuff while moving forward. As such, the much more vital part of things are factors like

>Snappy body movement
>Exaggerated body language
>Exaggerated expressions

Which don't need "a new model every frame'.

>>92996309
/co/ really is tumblr isn't it.

>>92996386
>I have a message from another time

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>>92996510
I think there is a porno with that title

>>92996581
>/co/ really is tumblr isn't it.
no, I just thought it was funny that you think that politics had anything to do with it
>inb4 higher wages is a political issue

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>>92996558
>squash and stretch
>not joint break push and pull

>>92996610
It really is a message from another time.

Sometimes I feel so alone in my love for hand drawn, hand inked, hand painted cels.

I want it back...

>>92996627
Not him, but unions are intensely political, and have been from their founding.

>>92994672

Eh, most of that P&S episode doesn't make any sense unless you're familiar with the Japanese dub of Transformers, like the Optimus and Megatron parodies being voiced by their Japanese dub actors, or the constant narration stating obvious shit which was exclusive to the Japanese dub.

>>92996409
Yes, you can. It's more labor intensive than doing it 2d, but it is entirely feasible. It'd be like saying that you can't change the camera angle in 2d animation without a cut. It's doable, but takes a bunch of work.

>>92996439
>>92996510
What was the turnaround time on that? It's only a few minutes of animation.

>>92996733
Daicon iv took three years to make

>>92994776
>less pretentious
>rick and morty
looks like someone didn't watch the actual show

>>92996801
That seems a little slow for a twelve guy crew, even if they are working part time.

>>92996733
>Daicon iv is "only" a few minutes of "animation"

>>92996801
Source? I thought it was less than two

>>92996837
Keep in mind this was when you had to physically use cells, and they had to do some ghetto printing bullshit to afford it. They also worked inside a literal sweatshop in a locked down textile workshop during the night. The paint would also stick and peel off physical stacked cels.

>>92996205
This still is one of the greatest joys of this year's anime lineup, even though LWA is incredibly frustrating.

>>92992852
Oh yes, can't forget Canadian flash toons.

That fucking webm every time.

The bottom part was just screwing around on stream as a joke, there was no thought to put into the movement, just shitty straight tween.

If we're going for comparisons sake, you'd have to use an older cartoon or any of the 3d movies being developed/out which have some fantastic movement.

R&M is animated primarily by Bardel which is in Canada, as far as I know they aren't outsourcing it into Korea.

Also despite being rig based they do shit tons of redraw, as the more complex you build the skeleton systems of rigs in toonboom the slower animating gets with several characters on screen.

>>92992392
2 of the best movies I've seen in 2016 were South Korean, so you still got that.

>>92995188
Can I get a source for that image?

>>92995188
You make it out like it's a salary problem when it's an audience problem. Pixar's success killed the 2d animation for movies.

Pixar movies were so successful, everybody started to do 3d animated movies. When Disney assimilated Pixar and the boss of Pixar became the head of the animation department, Disney released a 2d animated movie (The princess and the frog) which limited success was the nail in the coffin for this kind of animation for movies. Kids were used to 3d and it was too late.

>>92998244
I suspect it has more to do with the finances of digital rendering. It's actually terrible to work in CG right now, as it gets shuffled from state to state, and country to country to take advantage of whichever stupid government thinks they won't lose money with massive subsidies this time. There's a good freakonomics podcast detailing the history of it

>>92996386
>https://youtu.be/-840keiiFDE

THESE FUCKS STARTED GAINAX?

>>92996386
I'm always amused seeing Thunderbirds show up in that video.

>>92998604
What does that mean?

Yes, one of the best animated short films ever made was created by the heads of one of the best anime studios.

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>Studio gag drawing from UPA depicting an animator being laid off, replaced by children cutting out paper dolls.

That feel when Grim Natwick foresaw this

>>92992836
I've heard people call Nip-Nongs Gooks before, although granted, they might have just done that to be extra insulting.

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>>92994669
Incredibly so.

>>92999350
Too real, computers were a mistake.

We were just starting to get back on track in terms of animation.

>>92996386
I mean, I guess its good. Really looking at it though and it seems kinda choppy and at like, 10 frames per-second. The second one is better I suppose, but the only real impressive thing about all this is it was done by 12 guys. But something like Double King was done by one guy and personally I find that much more impressive then this.

The nuclear explosion looked good but I can't help but feel a 'nature is good humanity is bad' message from it.

>>92992298
>>92992171
The companies are Korean for tax dodging purposes mainly. Key animators and lead artists are mainly Japanese. Whoever's doing the remaining work below them can be anything from Korean to fucking Arabian.

>>92995188
>>92995188
>no animation is done in America
Well 2d for movies isn't, but I'm pretty sure that some cartoons are like valt the wonder deer that is entirely animated in the States.

>>92999869
>he only real impressive thing about all this is it was done by 12 guys
This is pretty much my opinion as well. I get the historical importance of Daikon IV for gainaxfags, but I've never thought it was all that awe-inspiring.

>>93000120
>>92999869

I think it's pretty good example for the technical side of animation, if you watch closely they do a lot neat things to hide the limited animation.

>>93000288
Certainly, it's on par with the best that 90's TV anime had to offer, but when stuff like this is offered up as an example as to why computers ruined anime, I'm just baffled.

>>93000120
Just about all of them became big figures in the anime industry, not just anno.
And they pulled it of in like half a year in some rich dudes house.
Fan animation was also something previously unheard of and thought unfeasible back then.
They also improvised a lot of shit that made up for the lack of proper time, resources and equipment, some that became standard later on.
The fact it was done by a little team is just the more popular cherry on top fact.

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>>92992159
hilariously bad cherry-picking will always be my favorite terrible internet argument tactic

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>>92996205
>>92997331
>>92999887
>>93000330
https://youtu.be/kfEkv7ea4aY?t=3m48s

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>>93000572

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>>92999869
>>93000120

If you don't see why it's so good, it's because you're not the people this was made for. The song and celebration in the video are basically just an art piece about how stuff that was made to be ephemeral, forgetable, cheaply sold for entertainment, was transformed into stuff that stuck with these peoples' lives to the point of obsession, all because of the artists behind the scenes who really gave it their best to make these things labours of love. They were only meant to be there for a while, bUT the combination of so many people really giving a shit turned that into something magical, especially for the socially outcast otakus at the time who saw this sort of media as a heartfelt escapism devoid of ego. It becomes a transformative piece where these things collectively form a new inspiration for artists who want to make stuff as good as what they adore. It's the most honest and sincere form of post modernism where it doesn't ridicule the media and it's tropes, but celebrates the effort put behind them and wants nothing more than to make it into something greater than the sum of its parts. That something that might have just been a dumb show to some, may have honestly made people feel closer to something transcendent, and to see it expressed in its full, simple earnesty, is beautiful. To see escapism itself embodied into the musical piece and animation, is beautiful. To see the insinuation of atomic war torn japan being reborn into something so bizarre yet real, simple entertainment born from dudes on bikes and paper theatres who just wanted to make kids happy again, and the end result of that, is beautiful. To see the tradition reach this peak beyond commercialism into an almost religious fervor, is beautiful.

And it's fine if you don't get it, if you find the animation antiquated and the subject material uninteresting. Because this wasn't made for you. This was made for every lonely ass motherfucker that found real comfort in escapism.

>>92994741
>using a character from a cancelled pilot as an example
kek, 99% of people never saw infinity train
besides, that's 3 examples, i could probably show you 10 of the exact same face, tell you they're all different and you'd believe me

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>>93000620
Anon...

>>92992159
>it's a "/co/ is insecure about /a/ and animu" episode
Every fucking week.

>>92992564
Sure why not

I enjoyed this movie but the last act was kind of dog shit. Also I thought I would end up husbandoing Kuma but I really didn't. Nothing wrong with him but eh idk

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>>93000823
please, we know both sides have a good chunk of crossboaders ..... /a/ just happen to be way more aggressive at deleting similar threads though that is why there is at least some convo here

>>92992159
Hollywood is so far up its ass in dictating what it says people should want because it says it's "cool" or "popular," it will never have any clue what people would actually want.

>>92994358
Don't pretend like the Jap industry isn't full of celebrity endorsement.

>>92993302

The mix of rotoscoping and normally drawn stuff has that same vibe as the giant robot in Korra.

>>92994358
Anime can't sell shit to audiences unless there are famous seiyuus and cute girls in their works

>>92992582
>waifus
The majority of western females tend to either fall into cookie cutter overcompetent badass or funny quirky dumb girl. Japs may have their archetypes, but at least they have more of them.

>>93001156
mostly this .... Studio Trigger and Polygon Pictures are targeting mostly the western audience especially when both have Netflix putting money into making new seasons like the Sidonia Anime instead of be stuck in their national market

>>92992159
>Japan
>dat timing
>dat slow, robotic movement

>Japanese animation has a special nature. It can attract many fans if it's of poor quality, even overseas. They say "Japanimation overcame the world."

>>93001312
Very few people in Japan are just targetting their own market at this point. China is a massive influx of cash

>>92993302
>that fucking horse

>>93001316
If you want something with more impact, go watch something Matsumoto or Imaishi directed. There's plenty of variety when you have a real industry, instead of just a handful of studios.

>>93000979
Right


Well known seiyuus/idols are like the main draws for anime/games than an actual story there

>>93000979
They do especially on idol side. I am just waiting for Sunrise to make boyfriends to Love live girls so idolfags can finally be BTFO

>>92992159
Who the fuck taught that guy how to kickbox?

>>93000620
I get what you're trying to say, But I call bullshit. Just because its not meant for me doesn't mean I can't judge it. Just because I don't 'get the message' doesn't mean I can't judge the animation.

Something can look like dogshit and have a meaningful heartfelt message, but its still going to look like dogshit.

Just to be clear I'm not saying the video is bad. But I don't think it should be praised as it is, especially when better looking products have come out in the years after it

>>93000929
LMFAO, there are no unironic crossboarders on /a/. Cartoons are kiddy trash, it's that simple.

>>93001312
Trigger aint doing that. They are just big westaboos

>>93001751
No, they're also making a concerted effort to appeal to their western fans with LWA. The Kickstarter for the second OVA was mostly westerners, and they know that. That's part of the reason Takkun had an easy time getting the producer to do AMAs with /a/.

>>92998161
Go to John K's blog and search "Korea"

>>93001734
For real. It can have as much personal meaning as you want, but that's not the way its diehard fans talk about it.

>>93001739
>Cartoons are kiddy trash
Better than being manchild and pseudopsychologist trash like animu tends to be.

>>93001858
Not at all, manchildren are still men primarily, just with a kid at heart. And pseudopsychology in media is generally awesome all around.

>>93001739
And anime is just juvenile

>>93001941
Fuck off, even an anime like sword art online is better than anything the West has or ever will create in terms of animation.

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>>93002307
Anime has not been able to reach, let alone surpass, the quality of the animesque series in pic related.

>>93002448
>animesque
See even Western animators know anime is just objectively better since they try and fail to be anime.
So thanks for proving me correct anon.

>>93001785
>AMAs with /a/
I still remember when reddit was mad about that

>>93002561
My point is that combining anime and cartoon tropes can make something better than either on its own.

>>92992764
That always disturbed me how it looks so smooth and out of place with the rest of the cheap animation

>>93002739
Just because you combine two things it doesn't make the end product good, like if you combined chocolate with shit you just lose the chocolate in all the shit.

>>92992898
>>92993242
>first is shitty CGI Berserk
>then is shitty CGI Blame!

Who the fuck is in charge of the monkey paws

>>93002307
>even an anime like sword art online is better than anything the West has or ever will create in terms of animation.
pfft

>>93002992
Yeah, you lose all of that chocolaty catooniness in all that anal animu crap.

>>93002992
>Just because you combine two things it doesn't make the end product good
That's not what I said. Learn to read.

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If you aren't animating in ones, you're shit either way.

>>93003169
>wasting effort on drawings hardly anyone will notice

>>93003367
You didn't notice it
[Spoiler]but your brain did[/spoiler]

>>93003856
Nice pseudoscience

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>>92994741

>>93002448
AtLA is a fairly standard shonen series. It is definitely on good side, but I wouldn't call it the best.

The Batman, while an interesting twist on Batman, was ultimately a mess whose quality wavered greatly.

Teen Titans was for the most part trash with a few really good arcs and episodes.

I can't which Turtles series that is supposed to be.


>>92994741
Where are you getting the girl from Infinity Train is based on Faust? Owen Dennis doesn't have any connection to Faust or Mckracken as far as I can tell and personality wise she isn't really like either of them.

>>93003169
Because it isn't financially viable like at all. I mean sure it is impressive, but animation is an art and business. Arguably it is the art of cutting corners in order to make the business part succeed.

>>93003169
Actually, rigged animation looks far smoother and better on twos.

If you do rigged animation on ones it will feel puttery and shitty. Ones only work on handrawn or smears.

>>93004304
>I can't which Turtles series that is supposed to be.
There's only one animesque TMNT you dumbfuck

>>93004403
There's 2003, that shitty sequel to 2003 and the 3d one.

>>93003014
Blame! wasn't that bad, but it definitely could've been better
Berserk is beyond shitty, it is it's own tier of awful

>>92995671

Went to an /a/ waifu thread like in 2015, got btfo and banned gobally for a week for posting Iris, same year round march I posted her on an imageboard for waifus, didnt get banned instantaneously but posts with her pics get deleted, confrnt them about this, get BTFO because waifus are only from Anime, after a life of being indiferent to non dragon ball/pokemon Anime, finally I started to hate it, still I post on IBs that are all innerently weeaboo despite this ( I enjoy anonymity) Sometimes I wonder why I even comeback.

>>93004436
Only the first is animesque. (Though I'm not sure what "shitty sequel" you're referring to, but it doesn't matter.)

>>92992159
Is this supposed to be bait? Huge difference between asian work ethic and American work ethic. Japanese animators get paid significantly less than we do

did you see that amount of money Miyazaki was offering in order to get help for his next film? It was like $400 a month with health benefits. Kinda pathetic

>>92997774
There are several episodes of R&M animated in Korea, they know how to use Flash too. I think it's the studio called Cyber Chicken

>>93004497
The latest 3d series is ridiculously animesque. Also I thought Fast Forward was an entirely different show , like Gargoyles becoming Gargoyles Chronicles.

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>>92994444
>>92995000

>>93004536
Wasn't sure but that does make sense.

I mean people shit on rigged animation and whatnot, but the amount of work it takes to do that many characters with so much going on is fuckloads of work. Sure handrawn would take 5x as long, but rigged animation itself also takes shit tons of time.

The JM animation was rigged and 3 shots, and it took me between 450-550 hours of working on it to finish (daily streams of 6-12 hours for near 2 months).

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>>92998244
Dude it's got nothing to do with that. Disney made a cookie cuter princess movie with shit songs, and a boring setting, seriously the villain was the best part of that movie. On the same year Pixar released an adventure epic about a heartbroken old man and his young friend going on an adventure with a giant bird. An obsessed explorer with talking dogs as shoulders. Now tell me which movie is going to be more successful. 2D died for two reasons:
>The 3D studios where making better and more financially successful films. Pixar was macking tearjearker adventures that won them oscars. And while Dreamwork's 2D films were better story-wise, they later made CGI films with enough fart jokes and pop-culture references to make the retarded audience laugh. Disney films, just weren't making that much money and some of them where shit, like that Home on the Range bullshit. Also, movie studio ceos are brain dead and in their asshole logic. If a movie was successful, surely it had something to do with brandspanking new technology not creative writing, and besides creativity is dead in Hollywood
>3D can be cheaper. You don't have to redraw every new frame and models can be saved.

>>93004568
>the amount of work it takes to do that many characters with so much going on is fuckloads of work
sure, but all the assets are mostly already made

>The JM animation was rigged and 3 shots, and it took me between 450-550 hours of working on it to finish (daily streams of 6-12 hours for near 2 months).
what are you talking about, post what you made

>>93004556
First of all, 3D can't be animesque by definition. And the writing is subpar as well, not up to real anime standards.

Also, you can't just separate that season without considering Back to the Sewer.

All of this notwithstanding, what's your criticism of THIS show? Is it also a "mess" or "trash"?

>>93004609
Also it was a black movie, and those just don't do as well.

>>93004639
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTWdP5DMdsM

the assets on RM, while are made for the core cast, you have to notice in the bg how many characters they make anew for all the different alien/human types.

In the commentary they go about talking how nearly every episode is a struggle since the amount of characters they do in one episode is often as much as a whole series.

The intergalactic tv episode with jen vincent michaels, that one sequence had as many backgrounds as one whole episode to boot too.

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>>93003014
not liking CGI Animu is ok, I do like the Blame one though but dont fucking compare it to the modern human atrocity that the Berserk thing is and using it as example where virtually almost everybody agrees on be atrocious makes you highly disingenuous

>>92996837
They had to do it the old way.

>>93004718
You made Judge Morty? interesting

yeah you did a really good job mimicking the show, but you don't need me to tell you that.

>>93004668
>All of this notwithstanding, what's your criticism of THIS show? Is it also a "mess" or "trash"?
No, I haven't gone back and watched 2003, but overall I remember it being pretty good.

>First of all, 3D can't be animesque by definition.
Yes it can. It has common features of anime, in particular the exaggerated reactions of characters and the use of chibi.

>And the writing is subpar as well, not up to real anime standards.

I didn't watch much of it, but I've seen anime with much shittier writing. It's not like the anime industry is some snobby club that only lets the best written series in.

>>93004463
Sounds horrifying but it should come as no surprise, anime is for autists.

>>93004722
I've hated most CGI anime thus far, but I appreciate its existence. The early digitally colored stuff basically all looks like trash these days, but it was necessary for the artform to keep moving forward. And some of the really genuine stuff, like Kemono Friends, will probably still be looked at fondly in 20 years.

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>>93004755
It was a first go at it and the mouths were really rough, i've refined it since and have been rebuilding the rig.

It just amuses me that the OP image shitpost exists with stream capture from my youtube stream. I made a point to not record streams and make them private to not spam videos on my channel, so no idea how that got capped unless someone else was screen recording the stream.

>>93004788

I think by 2016 /a/ added a rule that images should pertrain to anime and manga. So nowadays a ban for posting cartoons is as valid as posting /hc/ porn pics heh.

>>93004783
>pretty good
Ah, so you're shitting on it just like Avatar. Gotcha.
For the record, I consider Teen Titans and The Batman to be better shows than ATLA or TMNT 2003.
>It has common features of anime, in particular the exaggerated reactions of characters and the use of chibi.
That's not sufficient for a show to be animesque.
>It's not like the anime industry is some snobby club that only lets the best written series in.
It pretty much is though, because shitty anime is just ignored for the most part. Unlike shitty cartoons, which get promoted by the networks and sometimes viewers far too often.

>>93004705
Nah look at Tyler Perry's career. Movie Audiences are legit tards and they like Ogre fart jokes and grown black men pretending to be fat black women. I don't get it either.

>>93005283
Tyler Perry keeps his costs low because the majority of people who go to see his films are black. It's an undeniable fact that majority black films are not as profitable, and it's not really surprising since blacks are a minority of the US, and even the global market

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>>92992159
>strawmanning this hard

Japan has their own flavor of animation-decline too.

>>92992159

>comparing a movie to an [as] cartoon that receives a small budget with most going towards the voice acting

When will this board learn to not respond to bait?

>>93005507
I know it's a two hundred post thread, but honestly you could have browsed it just to see how little of it is in response to the opening post.

>>93000620
boy howdy that got real

>>93005462
Man, I'm really glad Mir is on the Castlevania series.

>>93005746
An American studio is animating Castlevania.

>>92996202
>but to meet the quality of traditional animation it does.
Are you retarded? Do you even know how models work?

>>93005782
I could've sworn it was Mir. What studio is doing it?

>>93005849
Powerhouse Animation.

>>93005902
Huh, seems like a weird choice since a lot of their stuff seems to be comedies. Their demo reel and the trailer makes it seem promising tho.

>>92995942
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ADm0BSHMeA

is one dude enough for you?

>>92992392
Well, at least you guys are better tourists than the Chinese. I've started telling those assholes anyone disobeying the signs gets their stupidity posted on Youku.
They're WILD animals, you fucking mainlander, of course they're going to stomp your ass.

>>92996621
The one you're looking for is "There Were 12 Men But They Weren't Angry"

>>93002698
Well what else do you expect from them? It literally took administrator intervention before they were able to post Shelter on the anime subreddit.

>>93004609
As much as that movie got panned, I really liked how Home on the Range flipped the formula with their villain song.

>>93004798
If I recall correctly, it's because pretty much almost every studio in Japan has kept their pipeline 2d for the longest time. The only ones I know of that updated their pipeline to include CGI are ones like IG or Ufotable.

>>92992159
why is it always "the west"?
why does japan have to go up against the entire rest of the world?

>>93007091
No, most anime these days use CG to an extent. Hell, old Gonzo was infamous for how much and how badly they used it.

>>93007124
Because that's what happens when you're on top

>>92992159
>Feature-length Film
>TV Show
Either way animation in the west primarily is gonna be 3D now film wise so I guess it's a hard comparison.

>>92996386
>swords split and begin zooming around Itano circus style as the piano kicks in

YES

>>92997774
R&M is animated primarily by Bardel which is in Canada, as far as I know they aren't outsourcing it into Korea.

See>>93004536. They also outsource to the Philippines.

>>93007134
CG was used specially in Mecha anime since beginning of 90s, only then each frame was relative redraw using the 3D scenes as references the use of full blown 3DCG anime is relative new but most people like to shit on it because Nips are just still relative figuring shit out (and imo the one that more or less nail it are the Blame! movie or Etotama or Arpeggio of Blue Steel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBFKj6_p-Q0) but in the aftermath of they experimenting we get atrocities like Berserk or the Hand Shakers anime, then there is Kemono Friends.... that stuff is entirely in the gray area mostly

>>93007463
The new Devilman movie is supposed to be all CG, but it's being directed by Yuasa, so I'm pretty hopeful that that's the point Japan really turns the corner on it.

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Right now I see both South Korean and Chinese break into the Anime market. In the S.Korean part I know is Studio Animal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZYNNogw9jg

>>92992159
Well to be fair, one was a movie and the other is a lower budget adult slot on a children's network

>>93007626
I've watched the shit gooks and chinks make. I'm not concerned yet

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>>93007626
and China with Studio "G.CMay Animation & Film" with "The King's Avatar"

>>93007711
Neither do I mate, just pointing out, even Japan with their censorship laws they still produce stuff but I highly doubt about the chinks will be able to produce anything that is too controversial for the image of the gov. , have no Idea of the status of censorship with the gooks though

>>93007799
Censorship isn't too much of an issue, honestly. China won't let them make stuff with ghosts or critical of the government, but those are relatively small issues. Korea doesn't have censorship laws at all. The bigger issues, for both countries, is the prevalance of monopolies, and the way they kill creativity. There's just very little motivation for either country to work too hard at coming up with something brilliant when they lose no money by being lazy.

That said, Korea has turned out some acceptable films lately, so who knows, especially with their new anti-trust PM.

>>93007856
>China won't let them make stuff with ghosts
What? Why?

>>93008470
I don't understand the cultural reasons behind it, but it's taboo to make anything like that.

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>>93008470
>>93008509

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>>93008804
I remembet that one, dude got lucky, He was an old otaku that already accepted that He was going to end ronery but got married to a chinese girl near half his age, even remember seen the interview he got some time ago when his strips got way too famous, havent checked if there is any new translated stuff from them

>>93008977
>havent checked if there is any new translated stuff from them
There isn't

>>93008470
Probably because it could lead to an ugly image of the past.

Think Time Travel is shunned for similar reasons.

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>>93009001

>>92992159
But guess who has less sweatshops

>>92992236

Its South Korea not Japan

>>92992159
Both equally valid forms of animation used to tell a story and or entertain.

>one takes for fucking ever and requires a ton of skill to pull off
>the other requires half an hour on a computer, tops, and looks just as good if not better

So in other words the Japanese are retarded.

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That feel when you shit on /co/ only because you genuinely wish cartoons were better.

>>92992159
but most japanese animation is outsourced to korea now.

>hurr durr 2D is too expensive

This shitty meme needs to die. Those new Samurai Jack episodes cost between $800-900k each and they raked in millions. It's still very profitable.

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>>92992267
Japan is coming out with more and more TV shows that have animation that blows any cartoon out of the water, consistently even.

There is no TV cartoon that can even come close to Flip Flappers in animation.

>>93009150
that lack of details/shading in cartoons :/

>>93009150


There's nothing wrong with Star, Morty, and Bojack.

>>93009203
>animation that blows any cartoon out of the water, consistently even
>flip flopers
kill yourself, go back to /a/ weeaboo

>>93009150
You know, I notice one thing consistent between both groups:

fucking awful copy paste art styles.

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>>93009203
Still flopped commercially though

>>93009203
>anime #2093828903239802093 that features a schoolgirl with neon hair that has superpowers

Maybe if their country wasn't full of basement dwelling pedophiles things would be better.

>>92992159
I'd take Rick and Morty any day.

I honestly hate Disney tier/anime tier animation. It's too smooth and nothing in life is that fucking floaty and smooth. I'd rather have something that looks unique and weird (Adventure Time, Regular Show, Spongebob, Ren and Stimpy Rick and Morty, Gumball Uncle Grandpa,etc) than some of that shit any day. It might make me sound like a shitlord, but god damn does it get tiring to see this same shit every week. Who's going to remember that scene from Japan? Literally no one. But you sure as hell know they will remember Rick getting schwifty. Shit like 12 oz Mouse, Xavier, and Don Hertzfeldt BTFO this argument anyway. Your animation could be the greatest in the world but if you don't have memorable characters and situations it's pointless.

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>>93003367
>hardly anyone will notice
found the console player

>>93009259
>Awful copy paste art styles

You're either blind or retarded if you're implying Mob Psycho looks anything like Orange, or that they look anything like Dangan Ronpa, or that they look anything like Ushio and Tora.

>>93009150
anime: good art,repetitive, bad to non existent
cartoon: bad art, (some)good story

>>93009324
They all look exactly the fucking same. The ability for the Japanese to make actual original art styles died in the 80's.

>>93002987

I actually enjoyed it. James Baxter immediately catches your eye when he's the only thing on screen being competently animated.

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>>93009289
Sorry anon, anime actually has a lot of diversity in writing/themes/genres.

It's not like the west where 97% of modern shows are comedies.


Seriously, if you wanted to watch a serious mystery show you got...uh
If you wanted a serious romance you got...uh
If you wanted a serious sci-fi you got uh...
If you wanted a serious slice of life/drama you got..uh

But yeah try to act like anime is all the same when most genres do not even exist in modern cartoons.

>>93009405
You're objectively wrong, sorry about the retardation.

>>93009411
Holy shit blown the fuck out.

I think the fact that 99% of high quality animation posted in favor of the west are movies from the 1900s speaks volumes.

You're comparing a feature film to a TV show on adult swim. You realize that, right?

>Anime is repetitive!

I mean if you had literally HUNDREDS of shows coming out a year, things are going to overlap, there is still plenty of variety.

Meanwhile you get maybe a couple of cartoons a year and they still tend to overlap.

>>93009526
Yes, literally everyone realized that. Do you people think you've brought something new to the table when you point this out? Do you think you're the first to point it out, 278 posts in to the thread? Fucking kill yourself.

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>>93009526
Here ya go anon, this is from a TV show and not a movie.


https://sakugabooru.com/data/432e399c638d044e04245f78fc39eed1.mp4
https://sakugabooru.com/data/3c4158da369f9d5e7d8e457dd8c802f7.mp4
https://sakugabooru.com/data/838a9d1b68b7c34b39f5322f6c5b7df9.mp4
https://sakugabooru.com/data/7f9c5dacdbe1f6ca065359ef232b7be3.mp4


Feel free to post any TV show from the last ten years that comes close to this!

>>93009411
I don't give a shit about writing/themes/genres if it looks so fucking ugly I can't watch it without getting violently angry over how shit it looks.

>serious
>serious
>serious
>serious
Smells like manchild.

>>93009702
k

>>93009702
>Wow anon, you don't want to exclusively watch comedians? You want variety? Fucking manchild, just eat up Teen Titans GO like I do.

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>>92994615

>>93009551
>things are going to overlap, there is still plenty of variety
every season there at least one cute girls doing something that is basically the same as always, 4-5 cute middle/high schoolers that do some kind of hobby, and they have a club in which all the time just eat thing or do moething else not related, jokes are lame, conversations are cringe and they are allways lesbians becasue girls can't interact with boys

>>93009723
>anything that isn't serious is Teen Titans GO

k

Oh and before I forget:
>Japanese sounds like a dying cat being forced to deepthroat a retard having a seizure while it chokes on its own vomit

>English dubs always sound off

>>93009777
and...?

>>93009702
>if it looks so fucking ugly I can't watch it without getting violently angry over how shit it looks.
So, I'm assuming you aren't watching any cartoons airing at the moment

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>>93009789
>Thread about animation
>/co/ has tried to deflect to writing and now the sounds of people's voices

Desperation thy name is /co/

>>93009805
Not a single one since Jack ended.

>>93009777
Yep, and then there are the things I actually watch on top of that. Because Japan actually produces an entire season of shows to watch unlike America. Sorry you'll never get that kind of variety

>>92992276
>Where were you when Korean animation surpassed Japan?
That would haven been some years back in about 2006 when I moved out and got my own place

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRbBy7NnH0A

>>93009831
Nigger this faggot who may or may not be you made it about writing.

>>93009411

>>93009878
No, that would be this post
>>93009289

>>93009878
>Nigger this faggot who may or may not be you made it about writing.

Anon you pointed to someone who was replying to someone else.
Your bias isn't even subtle.

Reminder to report any and all shitposting weebs who refuse to stay on /a/.

>>93009946
You should stay in /mlp/, faggot.

>>92996386
Okay who was the fucking westaboo ELO fan?

>tfw train man uses this song as the intro as a reference to the daicon animation and I never skipped it once even while marathoning the show and then downloaded the album to listen to it more.

I mean I don't blame them, ELO have done some fucking great stuff, but how did that song become the daicon anthem?

>>93009914
>japan being full of basement dwelling pedophiles somehow makes it about writing

I cannot wait for the day Japan gets invaded and raped to death by the Chinese. The weeabitch tears will be delicious.

>>93009946
>put sage in the name field
Summer break already started, didn't it?

>>93009985
No the dismissal of the animation based on the content of the story in the very first line of the post is what makes it about writing. But keep deflecting, I already know how bad of a state American animation is in.

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>>93009985

>>93009985
You're embarrassing yourself

>>93009977
The whole world listens to American music, same as they all watch American movies.

>>92992159
>Actual movie
vs
>Cheap stoner cartoon

>>93010041
>>>/tumblr/

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>>92992392
Hey, at least you have Leafie. That was pretty good. Shame about the dub and censorship though.

>>92994657
>It's the spin off
>The animation is off and they spin
Pottery.

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>>93010057
>The whole world listens to American music, same as they all watch American movies.

>ELO
>American

>>93010197
And what labels do you think they worked under during their biggest years?

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>>93009985
heh.... i can't wait for that day too


....remembr pearl harbor bichs..........

>>93010371
>....remembr pearl harbor bichs..........
I don't think you're old enough to

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>>92992159
>low budget flash animation show
>state of the animation industry in the west
The height of the animation industry in the west is Pixar and Dreamworks. And even if you don't like their movies you have to admit the technical aspects of their movies are damn impressive.

>>92992159
Small price to play for western animators to work in humane conditions and actually enjoy their lives.

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>>93010231
>And what labels do you think they worked under during their biggest years?

You need a hand moving them goalposts son?


Also Time, the album that Twilight is from was released via Jet records, as were most of their albums. But thanks for playing.

>>93009662
>pretty basic SFX seen alreay in a thousand other animoos
>character animation that's nothing really special. also dem shoddy drawings and awkward timing
>for the last two:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cWk_bKcOm4

pay attention to the flying flies

>>93010623
>Can't post anything better

Butthurt

>>93010747
>another "let's see you do better!"-esque response
Who's the butthurt one now?

>>93010949
You.

>>93009848
In which they never get finished. And your forced to read the manga.

>>93011369
I genuinely only watch OC for this reason, and I'm still following four anime right now.

>>93004609
>Dude it's got nothing to do with that. Disney made a cookie cuter princess movie with shit songs, and a boring setting,

That could easily describe Frozen.

>>92992159
>it's another /a/ bullies /co/ episode
two nukes weren't enough

>>93011424
and another "/co/ desperately tries and fails to stand up for itself"

>>93011413
Like I said, it's because it's about blacks

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Reminder that modern japan animation has yet to reach the level of animation quality of disney snow white and that movie is more that 70 years old.

>>93012147
>/co/ - Ignorance and lies

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superior chinese republic is doing greater animation with the avatar's king right now and with a bigger budget than anything kyoanus or ufotable could dream.

>>93012185

>implying i'm wrong
>didn't refute anything

i accept your concession.

>>93012321
A claim made without evidence can be refuted, without evidence.

>>93012321
What do you want? The obvious examples of Akira and Redline for the thousandth time? It's obviously untrue

>>93012321
>He hasn't seen ghost in the shell

>>92992159
Thats some nice cherry picking you got there

>>93013259
Read the thread mouth breather.