this is the only comic that feels worth reading

>graphic """'"""""""novels"""""""""""

>>92967944
V for Vendetta was better. So was All Star Super Man

I feel really sorry for you if this is the only comic that you can enjoy.

>>92968128
>V for Vendetta was better
It really wasn't.

>>92967944
maus, essex county, from hell, jimmy corrigan, the smartest kid on earth, sandman, a contract with god, asterios polyp, the incal, airtight garage, miracleman, swamp-thing, promethea, astro city, fourth world saga, all-star superman, final crisis

File: sandman.jpg (54KB, 737x547px) Image search: [Google]

54KB, 737x547px

>>92967944
Best comic of all time coming through

>>92968188
>essex county
This doesn't belong on there otherwise serviceable list.

>>92967944
>implying watchmen did it for me in the first place

>>92967944
OP don't use the term graphic novel. It makes you sound desperate for validation. pretentious cunt

>>92968214
its great though

>>92968233
not OP, but it's an accurate way to describe a long-form comic that is sold as one, complete "book"

>>92968248
>muh feels
Shit taste.

>>92968213
Seconded

>>92968214
what would you consider GOAT comics cool guy?

>>92968260
No, it's a stupid term that's trying to validate a medium considered inferior by leeching off another one.

Imagine if books were called "Written movies", or movies "Filmed novels".

>>92968260
fully aware of what it means. Still people misuse it all the time. Just say comic book. Graphic novel sounds so insecure

File: cerebus-high-society.jpg (1MB, 1773x1250px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 1773x1250px

Everyone else in this thread is a lowly pleb except for me.

>>92968264
brilliant break down of the comic there buddy

>>92968188
>final crisis

This is nowhere near as good as the others on your list. Don't get me wrong, it's better than most event comics, but that's an insanely low bar to cross.

>>92968313
you're right... for the first 200 issues. Becomes cancer after that

>>92968277
Throw some Donald Duck, some Chris Ware, Charles Burns, some entry level Euroshit like Jodo or Giraud's stuff and some entry level mangashit for variety like Eden: It's an endless world, Akira and Punpun and we've got crash course for "how to be a pretentious hipster 101 for your graphic literature."

>>92968382
Maybe if you're a pleb.

>>92968318
Are you implying it isn't feelsfaggotry: the comic?

>>92968363
Not even best Morrison event desu.

File: cerebus-guys.jpg (91KB, 850x1169px) Image search: [Google]

91KB, 850x1169px

>>92968382
Issue 201 would like a word with you

>>92968390
you're a really cool guy.

>>92967944
It's good but i don't like it. So i don't care.

>>92968404
I really enjoyed the pacing, atmosphere, panel transitions and character interactions. I clearly have shit taste. What comics do you consider great?

>>92968434
Thanks, once you've done this crash course we'll discuss in lengths about the cultural and symbolic merits of Superheros, rise and fall of EC comics and underground movement and other prolific auteur cartoonists.

>>92968445
>everyone is stupid except for me: the comic

>>92968445
kek good one anon

>>92968506
pretty good but not great

>>92968497
Is he wrong?

>>92968481
>pacing, atmosphere, panel transitions and character interactions
If you want that, go for After Death, it has all that without being cheap or artificial. I realize it's pretty different but I'd say give it a try.
If you want to replace Canada with America and read something equally hopeful and cynical, go for Acme Novelty Library.

File: voldemorrison-and-dumblemoore2-copy2.jpg (184KB, 820x600px) Image search: [Google]

184KB, 820x600px

>Watchmen makes you hate capeshit.
>All-Star makes you love capeshit.
Ying and fucking Yang

>>92968546
okay thanks anon. I'll check those out

That's a trade paperback, not a graphic novel.

>>92968587
>Watchmen makes you hate capeshit.
Did it?
Figured that'd be the The Boys.

>>92968590
Also if you want maximum comfy and atmospheric, check out Mushishi, it's a pretty good Mango.

>>92968587
Objective reading order Miracleman -> Watchmen -> Animal Man -> Flex Mentallo - > Supreme - All Star Superman

>>92968622
I've enjoyed the few episodes of the anime I've checked out. The manga's on my to read list. any other mango recs? I've only got into Lone wolf & cub and berserk

File: kamandi.jpg (503KB, 1000x1479px) Image search: [Google]

503KB, 1000x1479px

>>92968622
This thread is about comics, not mango, you stupid shitter.

>>92968737
don't be retarded. Manga are comics

>>92968737
do you honestly believe manga and comics are different things and not part of the same medium?

>>92968737
But Mango are Japanese funnybooks.

>>92968778
poor mans fourth world

File: The Eternal #1 - Cover [HG].jpg (430KB, 983x1522px) Image search: [Google]

430KB, 983x1522px

>>92968778
Also good. Very different take on the "traditional" Marvel's Eternals

>>92968737
>Implying anime and Manga are at all different from cartoons and comics
They're the exact same thing, they're just differentiated due to region of origin

>>92968737
dumbfuck

>>92968711
Blame!, Vinland Saga, Nausicaa, Akira.

File: RaceMoon_02_28_story4.jpg (505KB, 1200x1760px) Image search: [Google]

505KB, 1200x1760px

>>92968778
>>92968806
>>92968737
Anything Kirby did is God-tier.
Here's a page from 1958's Race for the Moon, with an illustration of the "face on Mars" which was not discovered until NASA's Viking probe photographed it 1976.

>>92968737
what do you think manga are you faggot?

File: Venus in Scorpio??.webm (267KB, 412x302px) Image search: [Google]

267KB, 412x302px

>>92968737
>>92968815
>>92968797
>>92968786
>>92968767
Imagine getting this worked.

>>92968128
>>92968163
>so was All Star Superman
It really wasn't either.

>>92968910
imagine being so stupid that you cant tell that manga are comic books.

File: spidey-ass-nation.jpg (122KB, 600x917px) Image search: [Google]

122KB, 600x917px

Might story-time this bad boy today.

>>92967944
providence is pretty fantastic

>>92968108
Someone actually had the balls to call me autistic on THIS board of all places, over that distinction.

Watchmen is a comic that has been collected. There is no "novel" about it.

>>92968960
why? this is a thread about good comics. I don't think spider-man's ever been in a good comic ever

>>92969002
what about the original stan lee & steve ditko series?

>>92969002
I find spidey fags usually end up going to Blue or Kraven for their "best" and those are just super proficient. Hell, Blue, as much as I love it, isn't necessarily great as much as emotional.

KLH is damn fun to read but I don't know if I'd call it great either.

>>92969002
kraven's last hunt?

>>92968213
This definitely.

File: 2335426-fury_2.jpg (557KB, 1120x832px) Image search: [Google]

557KB, 1120x832px

Ennis and Parlov's Fury - My War Gone By

The Watchmen of war comics, in that it's the ultimate deconstruction of the genre.

>>92967944
this was a 30 min story, stretched over a couple of months
the dead bloated people raft was the best part

>>92969029
exactly spider-man's a fun character but he's never had any truly great stories like supes, batman, animal man, daredevil and swamp-thing

>>92969002
Ditko's work.

>>92968972
I just read it this week and while it was really good I don't get the hype. It was interesting to see the shared Lovecraftian universe and the whole narrative forcing itself on reality was cool, but all that has been done before. And the entire twelfth issue was pointless, it only served to point out the underlying plot and themes of the previous issues and to tie it together with Moore's previous Lovecraftian work which was trash because of Moore's complete misunderstanding of what makes Lovecraft's work terrifying.

>>92969105
>stretched over a couple of months
It sort of makes in-universe sense though since Rorschach is the only one who wants to look into things while everyone else is caught up in their mid life crisis. Then Rorschach and Manhattan were impeded to slow things down and distract people even more.

Had Dan and Jon humored him they'd have solved the matter and been back in time for dinner.

>>92969025
>>92969146
Ditko's run is fun, and holds up a lot better than most stuff from they era, but only Spider-fags think that it's some masterpiece of the medium.

>>92969179
Incorruptible is objectively the better book.

>>92969184
On storytelling level it's very good, on artistic level it has a lot of technical merits, more so than most of modern comics.

>>92969179
>>92969197
And they are both still shit.

>>92969227
That's okay.

>>92969197
Fake News

File: DC-The-New-Frontier.jpg (229KB, 800x600px) Image search: [Google]

229KB, 800x600px

Better than Watchmen

>>92969209
>On storytelling level it's very good, on artistic level it has a lot of technical merits

I don't disagree with either of these things, but like I said it's just very good; not on the same level as some of the other comics posted in this thread

>>92969301
True.

>>92969294
Moore is a better writer, Gibbons is a better artist. Watchmen is also better. This is still one of the hallmarks of renaissance era even though it came pretty late.

File: 1458891283951.jpg (310KB, 584x874px) Image search: [Google]

310KB, 584x874px

>>92969029
>I find spidey fags usually end up going to Blue or Kraven for their "best"
Well shit you got me there. To me Spidey is more about being consistently fun to read than anything else really.

>>92968546
After death, the Snyder one?

>>92969118
>truly great stories like supes, batman, animal man, daredevil and swamp-thing

Superman
>All-Star Superman
>WHttMoT
>All Seasons
>For the Man who has Everything

Batman
>The Dark Knight Returns
>Killing Joke
>Year One
>Arkham Asylum
>TLH
>a bunch of Legends of the Dark Knight
>runs like O'Neil, Englehart, Grant, Dini, Morrison

Animal Man
>Morrison's run
>Lemire's run

Swamp Thing
>Moore's Saga

Am I missing anything crucial?

>>92969431
Yes.

>>92969453
Birthright, Action run by Morrison and 70s Superman stuff.

>>92969360
I disagree, especially using Watchmen as an example of Moore's writing. Watchmen is good for a lot of reasons, the story is not one.

>>92969453
yes miller's daredevil

>>92969496
I completely missed the word Daredevil when I read the original post. My bad

>>92969507
all good

>>92969494
Watchmen is character study like a lot of Moore's work, it has a good enough plot. Speaking of plot, TNF doesn't really have much. If that's your argument, I don't know.

>>92969565
Not exactly the same type of comic if peanuts is #2.

Even if I have the collections next to my Calvin & Hobbes and Garfield collections.

>>92969602
Plenty of "graphic novels" on that list.

>>92969631
Okay. Still doesn't change the fact that many, maybe most, aren't.

>>92969184
You're confused.
Ditko/Romita era ASM is imfintely superior to Watchmen, for instance.

>>92969571
I don't know man, there's a massive plot hole when it comes to Watchmen that makes it impossible to enjoy the story. As an example of incredible paneling, using the medium to tell the story and use of coloring Watchmen succeeds.

>>92969676
Personally, I can't take any story so dependant on universal assholery seriously.

>>92969676
>plot hole
Like?

>>92969708
Manhattan is supposed to be the only superpowered individual on the planet, this is central to the plot and is the basis for the entire political climate of the world. But in the end, nope that medium was really psychic and they cloned his brain to make the Squid.

>>92969494
Writing is more than creating a plot that'd be fun to read on Wikipedia.
Quoting Ellis:
>Chris Claremont once said of Alan Moore, "if he could plot, we'd all have to get together and kill him." Which utterly misses the most compelling part of Alan's writing, the way he develops and expresses ideas and character. Plot does not define story. Plot is the framework within which ideas are explored and personalities and relationships are unfolded.

>>92969453
Lemire's animal man, both of those Loeb books aren't really on a great tier.

File: eb9.jpg (32KB, 500x500px) Image search: [Google]

32KB, 500x500px

>>92969670

>>92969774
That's not a plot hole.

>>92969934
You must just hate Loeb.

The Long Halloween and Superman For All Seasons are great.

Even without Sale making them beautiful.

>>92969774
>Manhattan is supposed to be the only superpowered individual on the planet

There's a big difference from the near god-like powers of Manhattan, and some guys with some latent psychic powers that probably fly under the radar or written off as hacks.

>>92968233
That's pretty much the nature of these threads in general. Quality judgements are based on how smart 'understanding' a particular picture book aimed at 12 year olds made anon feel. The art side of the books is rarely discussed, and entertainment value never.
Its like a bunch of hobos sitting around arguing over the bouquet of cheap wine whilst laughing into their hands at the honest bum that admits he drinks to get drunk.
Now, of you'll excuse me I'm going to go read X-Force. Enjoy your trash fire.

>>92969966
It's clear anon saw this point presented somewhere else and has used it to dislike Watchmen ever since. if he's ever read it.

>>92968587
Alan Moore made Supreme before all star was a thing. So your point is moot.

>>92969774
That's not really a plot hole, also wrong use of the term. Plot hole is when inconsistency(s) occur with the rules and logic of the universe/narrative that can not be explained. Manhattan being the only super powered being is an in universe assumption, not a set rule. So it can not be a plot hole.
On the criticism of Watchmen, I'd advise you to read Morrison's essay about the dark age of comics in Supergods and his comic Zenith. His argument is that he refuses to believe world's smartest man would make world's dumbest mistake. I personally disagree with Morrison but it's fascinating criticism nonetheless.

>>92969938
>>92969983
>Smugger anime face.

>>92969983
>Quality judgements are based on how smart 'understanding' a particular picture book aimed at 12 year olds made anon feel

Most of the comics in this thread aren't aimed at 12 year olds at all, but go ahead and keep that false equivalency to make yourself feel better for only reading generic capeshit

File: 1495085466657.jpg (43KB, 651x720px) Image search: [Google]

43KB, 651x720px

>>92969983
Anon it's just a recommendation thread that has a bit of discussion. But you do you and feel good about reading actual trash fires.

>>92970015
>>92970049
Gotten to.

>>92969966
>>92970002
It's very clearly a plot hole. The rule of the universe of Watchmen is Manhattan is the only superpowered individual. From a technical standpoint Watchmen is really good but the story is subpar

>>92969995
I noticed it while reading it, even though Moore tries to pretend it's no big deal

>>92970086
Who ever said that was a rule? Besides the bloggers you follow? Quote it from the comic for me.

>>92970086
It's an implications, an assumption that's taken for a fact. Whoever said you the universe didn't allow for there to be another Super.

>>9297008

People didn't fear Manhattan just because he was superhuman: they feared him because he was godlike.

All the other supers in the book (with the exception of maybe Oz) are presented as being really weak, relying on gadgets or gimmicks to function. There's no comparison.

>>92970199
>>92970138
It's a key fact of the entire book. It's central to the entire story that Manhattan is the only person on Earth with powers. It's okay to like the book in spite of this, but pretending it isn't there is just retarded.

>>92970332
>It's a key fact of the entire book
Then you should have no difficulty finding a single panel that backs this up

>>92970394
Anon, it's okay if you've never read the comic book.

>>92970443
>he still can't back up a single thing he says

File: 1495280667077.jpg (36KB, 600x645px) Image search: [Google]

36KB, 600x645px

>>92970332
>anon watches Fight Club
>dude key factor is that these two guys are on some anarchist type shit together creating fight clubs
>but the twist happens
>it's well foreshadowed and explained
>but you see it's a PLOT HOLE
>thanks, I got my literary and media criticism degree just yesterday
>tfw I'm the next Roger Ebert

>>92969971
Both aren't bad, but aren't good either. Except for Sale's art, a lot of Batman books would massively shit on TLH.

>>92969999
Except Supreme doesn't feel sincere at all.

>>92970475
It's not presented as a twist.

>>92967944
The entire run of Transmetropolitan.

>>92970463
It's totally fine you never read it anon. You should though before you try to talk about it again.

>>92970523
It's a revelation yes. You see people can tell when you are a try hard retarded faggot when you don't have an original opinion, trying hard to be contrarion without actually presenting a good argument and DON'T KNOW THE BASICS OF LITERARY THEORY AND CRITICISM AND CAN'T DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN HARD SET RULES AND IN UNIVERSE ASSUMPTIONS.

>>92967944
>"To my mind, this embracing of what were unambiguously children's characters at their mid-20th century inception seems to indicate a retreat from the admittedly overwhelming complexities of modern existence"
I don't read children's stories with silly men in tights anon. Lol.

There have been many great graphic novels/comics/whateverthefucks but pretty much none of them (except maybe From Hell) seemed to have took up the gauntlet that Watchmen threw down as far as bringing a self-contained complexity to the work. (The non-Moore/Gibbons Watchmen spin-offs being the most egregious/pathetic example).

It's not about specifically recreating the 3X3 grid, or recurring motifs, or having the verbal track and the visual tracks for multiple scenes flipped for ironic effect -- it's the level of thinking that leads to that sort of work.

Watchmen brought a truly novelistic, maybe even musical tightness, to comics. That level of thought hasn't been brought to a comic since, though there have been many worthy and innovative books in that time.
Not everyone -- creator or reader -- has that same interest, but it definitely makes for a reading experience that I think is what OP might be referring to.
Other works like Sandman or Cerebus have a scope, but are more eclectic (or disjointed, depending on your point of view) -- they weren't as carefully conceived as a single work (due to the tension between monthly serials and single volume books).

Watchmen evolved into its most famous devices, too -- some of the visual play that continued through the rest of the book didn't occur to Moore/Gibbons until around the third issue, and they never were able to go back to revise the previous chapters -- but the book is still more cohesive than most that have come out since, even those that didn't have to deal with issues of being serial, um, issues.

There is still a sense that comics haven't caught up with Watchmen, as far as its level of construction goes.

>>92970639
From a technical standpoint Watchmen is great. It's paneling is some of the best and so is its use of color, but I don't think the plot holds up. I'm sorry I don't like the book as much as you do.

>>92970645
It really is technically impressive work of the medium. It's like watching a Stanely Kubrick masterpiece when you know not a frame is more or a dialogue less. I think what leaves someone thinking is a very subjective characteristic but on a technical level, I've yet to see something as proficient as Watchmen.

>>92970731
No your retarded use of the term and unwillingness to back your opinion that you are trying to present as universal truth is what's infuriating. You can like or dislike whatever the hell you want, personally I'm not the biggest fan of Watchmen, but I'm not going to find a flaw where there isn't any to discredit a work. If you like TNF better, present it as your impression formed by your subjectivity.

>>92970645
Tom King's comics seem to put a lot of thought into the structure

>>92970910
How is it a twist anon, the characters that accept it as fact in universe don't find it shocking or revealing? You can like it just fine despite this but to keep saying "nuh uh, it's not a plot hole because it's just presented that he's the only one with super powers throughout the whole book but they never show everyone in the whole world so maybe someone else possibly has them" is a fucking poor excuse.

File: 1456513363384.jpg (195KB, 1000x750px) Image search: [Google]

195KB, 1000x750px

>>92970645
>Other works like Sandman or Cerebus have a scope, but are more eclectic (or disjointed, depending on your point of view) -- they weren't as carefully conceived as a single work (due to the tension between monthly serials and single volume books).
Hear hear. Due respect to Gaiman and Sim especially Dave for (mostly) double teaming the writing and art so it fits perfectly instead of just accompanying the matter, for their achievement in character and narrative, and character and narrative development but the thing about Watchmen is its skill coupled with its succinctness.

It's like seeing a team play a season of back to back perfect games like it was just backyard practice to them.

Footage of the whole thing is played years after interesting and inspiring others since, some who have stepped up to imitate or attempt to exceed the performance but fall short in some area or another or just the brazen brevity of it.
I think to replicate and exceed Watchmen the whole squad has to be at a point where being on point is effortless.

The combined method of Moore, Gibbons and Higgins is a triple threat that others seek to knockdown or knockoff because everyone saw them knock it out of the park, and you can't knock that.
Knock knock

>>92967944
List for me, if you will, OP, your intellectual acievements as a reader of comics.

>>92971115
Characters being oblivious to something is not a plot hole, it's like a religious group saying they don't believe in theory of relativity or other physics that explains the working of universe because God created everything, does that mean that theory of relativity is not possible? Supers not existing in Watchmen's universe is an assumption that's taken for granted, there are no evidence that support that human beings can not be Supers. They didn't genetically test 5 billion people, they just thought none of them was a super. Again I'll explain, a plot hole is something that breaks the inner hard logics of the universe or narrative and can not be explained. There are instances where the logics are intentionally set up to be subverted later on in the narrative. When the subversion happens with justifiable amount of logic and explanation, that is acceptable. That's not what we are talking about here.
Also please tell me, is this your own analysis or did you read it up somewhere? That would help sum up what level of retardation you have.

>>92971469
If the characters in universe are shown to accept something as fact then we as the reader have to accept it as fact as well unless presented otherwise. When the characters are met with something that negates that fact one should assume they would react with shock, this does not happen in Watchmen at all.

>>92971654
Yes but how is it a plot hole?

>>92971684
When they aren't shocked it implies they knew that psychics existed and then the entire narrative of the political world falls apart.

>>92971765
you're the most articulate retard I've ever encountered.

File: GAS.jpg (59KB, 536x800px) Image search: [Google]

59KB, 536x800px

>>92971765
Yes they should be shocked that another Super could exist while standing beside a limp dick blue super freak God.

>>92971846
Yes they should. In a world where it is accepted fact that only one super powered individual exists the prospect of more should be astonishing. Even a low level psychic would be a game changer in that world.

>>92972040
where in the book is it stated to be an accepted fact? Would a low-level psychic be more of a game-changer than a literal God?

File: 1494820686209.jpg (37KB, 550x680px) Image search: [Google]

37KB, 550x680px

>>92972040
>dude Manhattan is standing right beside them while Adrian is explaining how he has just killed millions of people
>instead of being horrified by the greater revelation, they should be protesting or at least be more concerned about a mere technicality
(You) have earned it.

File: this is you.gif (4MB, 630x354px) Image search: [Google]

4MB, 630x354px

>>92967944
>enjoying Watchmen
>using the phrase "graphic novels"

>>92967944
Worm. It's not a comic, but read it anyway

>>92967944
Read non-superhero stuff. Moore would agree.

>>92968128
>All Star Super Man
it's comfy. it's not fantastic or even memorable though.

>>92968587
>Watchmen makes you hate capeshit.
No it doesn't. It made me love it for what it is, and hate what many people tried to turn it into.

File: Alan Moore recommends.png (3MB, 674x7635px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 674x7635px

>>92973077
Yeah, read what Alan Moore recommends.

>>92969602
Comics is comics.

>>92969105
Even the Alan Moore admitted the plot is not the interesting thing about Watchmen. It's just a murder mystery. The good part is everything else.

File: 1387298027378.png (430KB, 738x562px) Image search: [Google]

430KB, 738x562px

>>92967944
I feel bad for responding to the bait but I'll never ignore a chance to talk about My Friend Dahmer.

>>92971073
I don't know his work, but I'll check him out: Thanks for the tip!

>>92967944
Empowered by Adam Warren. It might seem goofy, but there's a ton of really deep things and emotional character connections, not to mention a being who lives outside of time in a much more interesting way than Dr. Manhattan (that happens in volume 7).

>>92975572
Empowered is just suffering porn wrapped in actual softcore porn

fun for what it is but not some crowning achievement of the medium

File: Miller6.jpg (317KB, 1119x1600px) Image search: [Google]

317KB, 1119x1600px

Sin City is one of the most visually impressive comic that I've ever read, the stories can be entertaining, especially if you're into pulp stories, but after my first and second read I started to only go through the book so I could take a closer look at each art.

>>92976653
Frank Miller is wildly underappreciated in this day and age

>>92976653
That Yellow Bastard remains one of my favorite comics of all time, after working in a comic store and reading them for over two decades. Frank Miller does not get enough credit.

>>92968974
People who get mad about the term graphic novel are literally autistic, though.

>>92976653
>at each art
*panel

>>92976680
Yeah, so far I've read Sin City, Ronin, and his Martha Washington series with Gibbons, and I'm honestly surprised that people only see him as the "WHORES WHORES WHORES" guy.

>>92976798
he does do a lot of whores

like Alan Moore does a lot of rape

>>92974363
What's the site for this again?

>>92967944
I've enjoyed Sandman, Lucifer, All-Star Superman and Morrison's run of Animal Man more.

>>92967944
Recently, Omega Men has been a great read for me.

>>92967944
Kabuki is one of the deepest reads I've found in comics. You have to really analyze each page, look at it multiple times as you read it cause there are so many layers to the storytelling. Fantastic read

>>92968233
graphic novels are comics that don't do the monthly releases, they just write a full book and publish it. usually tend to just be a single solo story.

>>92967944
Maus
Scott Pilgrim vs. The World
Seconds
LXG

>>92977837
Don't read a lot of capeshit. What's interesting about it?

>>92979577
it's structurally one of the best comics in recent years even if half of that is ripping off/homaging Watchmen, and the story isn't typical cape fare.

It would be easy to mistake for an higher-tier Image book if Kyle Rayner wasn't there.

>>92979664
Interesting, might order it since it's pretty cheap.

Mangas are not comics, quit being so autistic.

>>92979664
9 panel grid wasn't invented by Watchmen. But yeah the paneling is so well done in that. The countdown and countup are really well done. Tom King is one of those few writing for the big two that really cares about good paneling.

But to add to the description of Omega Men. It takes a lot from classical literature and places it in a science fiction story. I recommend it but still like The Vision better

>>92967944
>Not reading Saga of the Swamp thing

Fucking illiterate peasant.

>>92980105
the point where it turns from "9-panel grids are neat" to "Watchmen homage/ripoff" is the black box with a related quote and the logo at the end of each issue

>>92968397
practically unreadable ultra-cringe starting with Guys.

>>92968260
Which doesn't apply to Watchmen

>>92980671
I liked Guys but I agree it becomes shit after he gets back with Jaka

>>92979887
Yes they are
We don't call Akira Kurasowa films "flasanteiese" because they're made in Japan.

>>92979664
Why would Kyle's removal make it a strictly scifi book? You're not so casual you think the Omega Men are OCs are you?

>>92980851
no, but Kyle is the only immediately recognizable DC character with immediately recognizable DC labeling

>>92976680
Yea Frank the tank kinda trashed his rep with the Dark Knight sequels and Holy Terror

File: loveandrockets01var.jpg (189KB, 1168x1500px) Image search: [Google]

189KB, 1168x1500px

>>92967944
#1 for 30+ years.

>>92980886
Omega men screams DC to anyone who would know Kyle in the first place

>>92980814
>flasanteise
only because Kino sounds so much better

Stray Bullets

>>92969571
>>92969890
Alan Moore is a great storyteller that is all

Watchmen is a mediocre story told really well just like a lot of Moore's stuff

>Watchmen is character study

This is Watchmans greatest flaw Moore more than any other talented writer i can think of off the top of my head really struggles with making interesting and compelling characters

>>92983460
>Moore more than any other talented writer i can think of off the top of my head really struggles with making interesting and compelling characters
nigga what

>>92983524
Capeshit ruins your brain. That's the only explanation I can come up with after all the Johns, MCU and rebirth love on this board.

>>92981001
What's so great about this? I tried to read the first issue but it was so much dialogue on each page that i dropped it.

Should i give it a second chance? If so can you explain why.

>>92981001
>For 30 years
Eh, it has its weak points, so consistency is not its thing.

>>92981989
This. It's a shame it gets so little attention by blandmage fans and comic fans in general.

>>92968313
>>92968425

gonna thank you anons for this rec. I was curious what this was and I did some digging. I'm definitely gonna pick this up.

>>92983524
I wouldn't humor that anon, I might give him the idea Dan and Laurie start that way but that's only because of how inert they appear initially, afterwards they keep pace with the rest. But everyone else from start to finish?
Jon and his second life as Manhattan? Edward Blake? Hollis Mason? Sally? Moloch? Kovacs? Adrian? The fucking detectives, newspaper salesman, psychiatrist and Agent Forbes? With minimum space and maximum pace every last one of them has their own fleshed out character and story and they're all extremely interesting and compelling to follow.

>>92983858
The first issue doesn't count. Xaime ends up radically restructuring the style of his stories, and Beto ends up throwing everything in it out and starting over. The only thing Beto keeps is the shape of Luba's body, with her personality and her stories and everything else being completely different going forward.

File: Cerebus the Aardvark.jpg (166KB, 1345x864px) Image search: [Google]

166KB, 1345x864px

>>92983957
YOU
HAVE
BEEN
WARNED

>>92983524
>>92983854

I don't like Moore so I don't go out of my way to read him but from the 4 or 5 books I read by him I don't find his characters compelling at all

>Capeshit ruins your brain
I don't read capeshit and never really have they're constantly retelling the same stories nobody cares about continuity and if by some miracle you actually get a good thing going it never has the time to properly grow into something truly amazing

>>92984001
Loin Status: Girded

>>92984050
his Swamp Thing is very compelling
hell, he created John Constantine too in that run

>>92968213

Still one of my favorite things I've ever read.

File: autistic screeching.jpg (6KB, 188x168px) Image search: [Google]

6KB, 188x168px

>>92968264

Spotted

File: elmo fall.gif (961KB, 310x212px) Image search: [Google]

961KB, 310x212px

>>92969670

>>92969565
>#58
Until a couple months ago I never knew that the Addams Family was originally a series of New Yorker cartoons. I always thought the old TV sitcom was where it all started.

>>92983858
>I don't like to read
try /tv/

>>92984050
His Swamp Thing alone sees Swamp Thing go through at least 3 to 4 different and visible character arcs. All of the characters in Watchmen are fleshed out. I don't know what your reasoning is for not finding Moore's character work interesting, but do know that his characters are fleshed out and interesting.

>>92986716
maybe he's somehow only read Supreme and Neonomicon

File: 1479658130551.jpg (342KB, 1334x694px) Image search: [Google]

342KB, 1334x694px

>>92968622
>female creator
Instant garbage. Fuck off.

>>92986996
but Shade the Changing Girl is great

>>92987042
If you can enjoy something made by a literal brainlet, chances are you are the brainlet yourself.

File: hubba bubba dubba.jpg (100KB, 477x640px) Image search: [Google]

100KB, 477x640px

>>92987077
ok champ

>>92969002
That's wrong, though. There's plenty of good stuff.
>>92969029
Or maybe it's good specifically because it's emotional.

>>92967944
Watchmen isn't a Graphic Novel, but yes, there have been many Graphic Novels that I've read after Watchmen that had "done it for me."

>>92969096
Boring garbage by a hack writer and a hack artist.
Ennis should just kill himself already.

>>92968163
Yeah, everyone knows that Moore's best comics are Tom Strong and Miracleman.

>>92987347
I would say this is the wrongest post on /co/ right now but there are two threads full of Rogue One and BvS defense

>>92986847
I don't know how that's even possible, I'll say Moore's work doesn't have the greatest of plots and because Moore is such a great storyteller, he makes it work flawlessly. I mean just recently I read V For Vendetta and it is very light as far as the big plot goes. But then there are all these different sub plots and they come together in the service of metanarrative really well. His character work and how he tells his story on a technical basis are his greatest strength.

>>92987367
Tom Strong is terrible.
>hurr loving your race is bad, white race is dead
If it came out today, you'd be all bashing it for being SJW shit.

>>92968260
You're right. Watchmen is a 12-issue limited series that is often collected in a trade paperback though, so it isn't a graphic novel. There's nothing wrong with using the term graphic novel to refer to actual graphic novels, but in this case, OP is clearly just talking about comics in general and not actually just graphic novels.

>>92968928
>>92973123
Yeah if it wasn't for the art I wouldn't give a shit.

File: 1496328058329.jpg (71KB, 384x313px) Image search: [Google]

71KB, 384x313px

>>92986996

>>92987367
>Miracleman
You meant From Hell.

>>92987389
Fury is the same writing quality as Rogue One. Or any of the other Star Wars trash, it's all equally terrible anyway.

>>92987483
ok anon

>>92987469
you mean Providence

>>92987452
Dumb people create dumb and bad works.
All women are dumb and useless.
It's not rocket science.

>>92987367
you mean Supreme and Top 10

>>92976653
>visually impressive comic
Too bad that's all it has going for it.
Stray Bullets and Criminal are superior crime comics.

>>92987638
That doesn't make Sin City a bad comic. The art is next-level, literally some of the best in the medium. Frank Miller is was a tremendous artist, who gets far too little credit as an artist. While the story and characters don't quite measure up to the art in most cases, they're still very good.

this isn't to say Stray Bullets and Criminal aren't good, but rather that as a work, Sin City is easily one of the best in the medium, without needing a genre qualifier.

>>92969096
>Watchmen of War comics
I love Fury and think that it's the best thing published by Marvel this decade, but it's not even the best war comic written by Ennis. He writes a lot of war comics and has written ones a lot better than Fury.

>>92968213
What a pile of gothic shit. Waahhhh no one understands me. It was decent until Gaiman signed the new contract giving a percentage of the sale and limited rights to his creations in the series. That is when he started padding it out to keep it going.

Around issue 12 Gaiman did an interview in a UK zine about "How Sandman is plotted out and ending perfectly around issue 50. Any more would be whoring the concept out."

>>92988780
>namefag with a shit opinion
way to break the stereotype, dude