Who would win?

Not the fat faggot.

>>92950521
Finn would punch the shit out of Steven, while Steven would just cry probably

They wouldn't fight to the death, but they may train together. Finn would probably get the biggest workout trying to overcome Steven's nearly impenetrable defensive powers and his super strength. Maybe 1/5 spars Finn would get luck and lay a fake killing blow.

>>92950521
Fern

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>>92950521
The fat faggot stomps.

>>92950521
What does Finn have?
Last I checked all he has is a robotic arm and a regular cutlass.
Steven's a fat wuss but he has gem physiology (durability and shapeshifting) and can forge a shield
I don't think Finn's current sword could shatter Steven's gem and Finn probably wouldn't even notice it as Steven's weak point

the guy who never got his girlfriend stolen by a pastry

>>92950521
Steven is strong even by gem standards, the offcolors all went "woah" when he pushed that giant rock.

>>92950690
Steven lacks the capacity to fight
he wasn't able to kill a bug
he only defended himself against bismuth
he would never attack anyone not even when they are attacking him
Finn, while having no super human power whatsoever, has defeated the Lich a couple of times, and probably done some other stuff

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Finn "The Cuck" Mertens gets destroyed

>>92950782
Death Battle rules removes killing restraint but keeps everything else (stupidity, foolishness, intelligence, arrogance, etc)

>not a murdering psychopath
>haha, what a wuss

>>92950690
The first time he sees the gem he would immediately realize it's the weak point, the dude fights magical creatures for a living, he might not beat Steven's strength but he would try to rip the gem out first chance he gets.

>>92950843
>doing anything but crying and making condescending moral appeals to your enemies makes you the same as a murdering psychopath
This why One of the worst parts about Steven Universe is Steven Universe

>>92950858
But could he?
Bismuth had to make a stupidly impractical weapon designed to shatter gems and Finn's current sword is perhaps his weakest.
Has his robotic arm display any notable force?

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>>92950896
Steven beat Jasper, bubbled the Cluster, beat Bismuth, saved Greg, etc. He does do shit.

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Finn

Because he is a pure human, and not tainted by xenos corruption.

>>92950858
You have no reason whatsoever to believe that such a thing is possible.
In fact, the existence of the Breaking Point implies that interfering with a gem before it is poofed is nearly impossible.

But Steven has no offemsive power whatsoever, so Finn just pounds on Steven's shields/bubbles while Steven tries to befriend him. Eventually, Finn gives up on fighting and they bond over their love of bacon and video games and other bro stuff. Then some gay stuff. Not a lot, just a little gay stuff. Some ball fondling, but no eye contact, that sort of thing.

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>people unironically think Steven would win
I love both shows, but Finn is much more skilled in combat. Steven is strong as hell, sure, but Finn has a lot more experience and skill in death battles.

Steven can't keep himself bubbled forever, and even if Steven had Rose's sword, Finn would out duel him.

Steven and Finn are best boys though.

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>>92951003

>>92951003
Steven cut through solid stone with a shield throw so he obviously has offensive capability

>>92951020
Yeah
Finn would kick his ass until steven bubbles
After that the only way to beat steven is to maybe insult him until he has mental breakdown

>>92950521
Finn with all of his arsenal (not sure if counting Jake, since in some games he uses him as a weapon/assist) vs a Steven that's willing to kill (plus maybe Connie to make Stevonnie).
People might complain about Steven, but he's still a pretty decent powerhouse with an investment in Strength and he is pretty well trained at the point where we are, even if he doesn't get to show it off much. As skilled as Finn is, I have doubt that he could take him.

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>>92951040
Refusing to follow such rules is one of Finn and Steven's primary attributes.

>>92951129
What would you say to break his bubble?

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>>92951003
Considering how characters are forced to kill in this scenario, wouldn't it be Finn trying to break Steven's gem unsuccessfully with his normal rapier until Steven closes his eyes and just punches Finn really hard?

>>92950521
Steven.
Gem is too OP.

>>92951154
So has plenty of characters in Death Battle
Batman wouldn't kill, Leonardo wouldn't decapitate Mikey, Superman wouldn't blow up the Earth in his clash with Goku (it was supposed to come out on the Mayan Apocalypse but got delayed), etc

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>>92951147
>*with an investment in Defense
At the least it wouldn't be easy for either side.
>>92951154
Were this to be one of the "deathbattle videos" how many people actually go against the rules besides people who break the 4th wall?

>>92951116
So Steven has the better
>weapon
>physiology (durability, strength, shapeshifting, and has a single weakspot)
While Finn has the superior
>experience
>intelligence (in battle)

>>92950896
>he hates win-win protags
Shit tastes, desu.

>>92950521
Wouldn't Steven just bubble Finn and leave him there? Or couldn't he just bubble himself and then wait it out?

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>>92950521
The power of friendship

>>92951382
>Steven's more comfortable in his bubble
>Finn can't break the bubble right now
>Someone has to starve to death first for the match to end

>>92951210
I mean that Steven and Finn have both been placed in situations exactly like this (mostly Finn, for example, the episode where he and Jake go into the coliseum run by the Murder King) and refused to fight.

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>>92951425
How excit...

>>92951425
so it would be steven because he's a fat fuck unless it's hotter in the bubble than outside so he just dehydrates.

>>92951457
That's because that was them with that part of their head that refuses to kill
Death Battle removes that and focuses on what if (key words are what if) they didn't have that restraint to begin with
>>92951458
The fat one would probably drop dead first

>>92951425
Does Steven need to eat?
He believes he does, of course, but gems can eat, and I doubt Greg was ever like "Hey, let's try an experiment to see if my kid can starve to death."

>>92951512
>implying the fat one would starve to death first
but that's not how it works

>>92951536
He'd be driven insane at the very least because he believes he needs to eat.
Finn would probably also go aggressive (despite not being able to burst the bubble at all) and call him out for being a crying coward while making stupid insults at him and saying that the next stab would burst the the bubble because he would actually believe that was the case.
Steven remains in his bubble because he would overestimate how much of a threat Finn actually is

Finn has his faggy hero code so he wouldn't fight Steven
Steven's just a fag so he wouldn't fight Finn

Result: they go out for donuts together

This one goes to Steven, easy, even moreso if he gets his mother's sword.
>>92951170
Steven's bubble is soundproof

>>92951642
>Steven wins because he's fatter and has a durable protective bubble Finn can't break
Poetry

>>92951926
also he can spiky hamster ball of death with it

>>92951020
Depends on a lot of things.

Finn is pretty weak in his own universe. Any time the thread level goes above Ice King, he struggles. Both times he beat the Lich, it was due to "magic Lich Kyrptonite" situations. His sword fighting is sloppy and basically just flailing unless he has the grass sword.

Any time an "old world" threat (Lich, Vampires, Goo Zombies, modified humans etc.) shows up, Finn gets stomped. He's able to be a big hero in the world of Ooo though, where things have largely died down in thread level (I mean, the Candy Kingdom is the largest kingdom, and their population literally explodes when frightened)

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Could Fern beat Steven?
Remember, all the feats the Grass Sword has applies to him and he has Finn's memories as well
He also has shapeshifting

>>92952032
*threat level, not thread level

Steven on the other hand, is shown to be (at the very least) super human in strength. He started out with normal human strength, but he's gone to the point where he can hurl boulders and punch Greg several meters into a tree. He'd also be pretty mobile with his ability to float.

>>92952032
Another thing to add, if Ice King was serious he'd probably stomp Finn as well.
He only loses because he's a senile idiot who doesn't realize his potential

>>92950521
Steven
For the all the shit he gets he has some pretty OP strength and durability. Not to mention he can heal himself and fly

>>92952141
Yeah true.

Finn really only has his determination and "blood knight" status going for him. He'll keep going in a fight, but he's definitely low tier.

A goddamn deer took him out for weeks/months.

>>92950593
>and his super strength.
Finn ain't no slouch when it comes to physical capabilities either

>>92952264
Remember that entire episode where Finn goes solo into a dungeon?
He pretty much got destroyed.
Meanwhile, Jake was clueless and had no direction
They're pairs for a good damn reason

Finn vs. Steven? Steven smashes him.
Finn and Jake vs. Stevonnie? Jake obliterates them.

>>92951390
>he's too fat for Finn's shirt

Finn with Grass Sword probably wins as it would probably get through bubble shield

without grass sword Steven probably wins

>>92950521
finn every time he has much greater feats of strength than steven but everyone in this thread is going to ignore that for when he is depicted at his weakest for narrative reasons

>>92950690
>What does Finn have?
>capable of lifting heavy things, running long distances without too much trouble, and can jump rather good.
>years of experience fighting other beings
>training in using swords
>is capable of hand-to-hand combat
>high pain resistance
>immunity to electricity
>great balance
>can create fire by rubbing his hands together
>can fight against psychic abilities and can manipulate his own thoughts

>>92952516
Because he's weak right now.
He doesn't have the Finn Sword, Demon Blood Sword, or Grass Sword.
He has the "Small Sword" right
He's pretty much Season 1 levels of destructibility only with more maturity and experience on his side.
Other than that, he has no ways of shattering or poofing Steven's gem or getting passed the bubble.
Give me some Finn feats of him breaking stuff without his strongest swords.

>>92952366
There's like a 90% chance that Jake gets distracted, and he's proven that he can feel pain (and is a bitch about it).

Most of the recent "Jake get's serious" events still end with Jake getting one shot

>>92952579
What about Jake suit?

>>92952555
And yet none of that could break through Steven's durability and bubble

>>92950521
finn. Steven's powers have the consistenty of my love life, sparatic and stupid.

>>92950923
peridot beat jasper

Hopefully they'd double kill each other so both of their shitty cartoons can end.

>>92952906
Adventure Time's ending next year actually

>>92950521
assuming baseline abilities only, no one-shot super abilities
and assuming a straight fight until one of them is incapacitated

then my money is on steven, finn has no standard ability capable of penetrating his bubble or his shield

finn is also lacking in super strength, durability, and sheer versatility of power

one of the categories where finn would have the upper hand is in martial prowess, but even steven has since started training so the gap wont be as wide

finn might get the upper hand if he can leverage his superior fighting skill to take advantage of stevens reluctance to fight, but this would be lessened by finns chivalry, and a fight of attrition would definitely favor steven as he will not get tired, can take far more punishment, and has both an indestructible shield and bubble

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Would anyone else watch this?
Blossom destroys Krupp of course but it'd be fun

>>92952665
Jake suit is honestly Finn's best bet. However, if you wanted to be "realistic" or whatever, it's also a pretty shit strategy against Steven.

Jake Suit is still very vulnerable to injury (he even got hurt smashing a table) and Finn can't feel the pain, so he'd keep wailing on Steven's shield/bubble and keep hurting Jake.

You'd need some sort of Grass Sword, Jake Suit, Finn -rage combo to beat Steven, and against Stevonnie/lion it would probably still lose.

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>>92952976
What about bodyjacking?

>>92953001
Yeah, if Steven could get Jake to do that he'd win easily.

>jake-shitting-in-finns-mouth.png

>>92952963
I have no idea about Captain Underpant's capabilities, but most characters would be hard pressed to match up to tiny, adorable versions of Superman.

>>92951003
>>92950910

Finns always able to stab through crystals and stuff attached to monsters, or even through crystal monsters. So it's safe to assume he can break through quartz, and you can't really say they're stronger in the SU universe because they're not consistent about it

>>92954030
Was it with the grass sword or demon sword ?
Cause he doesn't have either of them now
He has a small, thin rapier now

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>>92954068
Yeah that's true, but we'd still be assuming that he can't break through with that sword, crystals usually split like butter in Adventure Time. And its also assuming he wouldn't just attack the rest of steven

>>92952366
I don't think you understand what Stevonnie is

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I feel like people are giving Steven too much credit. His only weapons are his shield and his bubble, and both are pretty unreliable. His bubble is hard to control, and at best causes a stalemate. Meanwhile, his shield's only offensive capabilities are as a projectile (which Finn is adept at dodging), and it still requires skill to use in close combat. Steven is TERRIBLE at hand-to-hand combat. Some notable examples:

-Steven vs Bismuth: Steven floats around the whole time and only wins through sheer luck.
-Steven vs Forced-Fusions: Steven literally does nothing besides blocking the fusions (often unsuccessfully) while Connie easily defeats the gems. Keep in mind that this shows how weak the fusions are (a 12 year old girl with minimal training beat them handily) yet Steven struggled.
-Steven vs Eyeball: In perhaps Steven's worst showing, Steven was almost killed by a Ruby (which are the weakest soldier gems by far) and would have been killed had it not been for his bubble.

Meanwhile, even though Finn may not be the best fighter out there, he is still FAR more skilled. As long as Finn isn't totally cucked in this fight, he should win.

>>92954406
But can he shatter Steven's gem right now?

>>92954406
I dunno if I'd say Connie is unskilled.

Pearl seems pretty set on running her through the ringer. She's already got enough muscle memory/fight sense where she flipped a kid on instinct

>>92954432
Irrelevant when Finn can harm his organic body easily.

>>92954497
I'm not saying she's unskilled, I'm saying that she's nowhere near the Gems or Finn. Yet she always outclasses Steven.

>>92955245
Connie has gotten a LOT more combat training from Pearl than Steven has.
She's been trained by a master of multiple forms of bladed combat, while Steven presumably hasn't had anywhere near as extensive training with his shield.
It also helps to think of Steven as the party White Mage, with more combat capability than your standard WHM.

>>92955245
Doesn't Steven need to have his gem shattered to die?

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>>92954406
>>92955245
We also can't assume she's had "minimal" training. It's all shown in song, but she's gone through a multitude of intense and serious training sessions by one of the bests, and Connie's a good learner.

finn fuck off fattyfags

>>92957094
>Implying a skinny human could beat his way through the lard that is Steven

>>92957609
replace that with tank and you'd be correct.
Finn has skill, sure, but I doubt he'd be able to punch through that much defense, even at his best.

Hmmm...
>Finn
>Grew up in a post-apocalypse as the only pure human (on land at least) with a few friendly people/beings caring for him
>Fought with monsters bigger and stronger than him all his life
>Aggressive as fuck and only restrains himself in battle if fighting someone he cares about (and even then)
vs.
>Steven
>Grew up in a comfy house on a beach with 3 (4 if you count his dad) role models near a small town full of friendly people
>Spent most of his life watching his role models fight monsters and not really fighting anything himself until recently (and even then it's mostly Connie who does the fighting)
>Pacifistic as fuck, even in situations where it'd be infinitely easier to use force rather than hopping around or hiding in his bubble
Finn has dealt with magic stuff similar to Steven's magic before, but Steven never really dealt with another human like Finn trying to kill him with a sword and unbridled stamina. The closest he's gotten is Holo-Pearl (which he spent the majority of the fight running away from), maybe Eyeball Ruby, and that was easily taken care of by Steven dropping the bubble for a second and letting the vacuum of space do the rest, and Bismuth (which is probably Steven's best fight), he spent most of it hopping around avoiding her, STILL wanting to settle things passively until he was cornered into using his mom's sword.

It would end in either a stalemate (due to Steven eventually just sitting in his bubble, unharmed, once he realizes Finn is actually pretty dangerous) or Finn would completely outplay Steven and effortlessly kill him.

We do.

>>92955464
No, but if Steven dies then Rose Quartz comes out of the gem and she'll be pissed and could possibly revive Steven. SHE won't die unless you stick her in an object or a bubble or shatter her.

>>92950521

>Steven: *breaks down crying asking desperately why they can't be friends, whilst wearing drag and makeup*
>Finn: *beats the living shit out of Steven making lesbian related puns*

>>92950521
Logically speaking, Steven is more consistently displayed as having super human attributes, while Finn is typically portrayed as just being a somewhat tougher than average human.
That said, Death Battle would probably go full retard and take that one instance of Finn lifting a giant demon with his demon blood sword as proof that Finn can lift a gagillion tons, and would give him the win.
The real answer is that it depends entirely on what era Fin we're talking about. Fin with Grass Arm powers wrecks Steven, but Steven could probably wreck modern Finn.

>(a 12 year old girl with minimal training beat them handily)
To be fair, Rose's sword is explicitly designed to cut through a gem's physical form like butter, while being unable to harm the gem part of them. Using something like that against what are basically zombies, it would makes sense that Connie did so well.

>Steven vs Eyeball
Now that's not even fair, Steven was clearly not trying to fight there.

But seriously, Steven has had some decent showings. Like Steven vs. Amethyst.

>>92950521
Finn fights better and doesn't hold back as much. I hate both shows but I can acknowledge this.

>>92961153
>Finn: *Breaks down because his current girlfriend dumped him and he got raped by LSP again.
>Steven: *Knocks him out with a single punch to put him out of his misery for a brief moment.

>>92950521
There's no contest on this. Steven literally never made an opponent submit on his own, he always stall until somebody else steps in to finish the job. There was even times when people asked him to punch them and he couldn't put any of his super strength into it.

Meanwhile, Finn went head on against monsters that can crush planets and lived despite having no special powers.

If you take they're psychology into account, Steven would cry uncle and submit because he just can't harm a powerless human while Finn has did get carried away into overkill before.

On the other hand, if we tone down the wussiness of Steven, it would only be natural to even things out by making him face one of the many powered up versions of Finn. Be it by giving Finn his grass sword back or literally any other magical weapon he used to have, in which case Steven's invulnerability isn't gonna be enough to keep him alive.

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>>92962453
He lost that sword and his current one is thin as fuck

>>92962530
It's all a matter of context at this point. If there is a sword available that can shatter gems, Finn is faster, smarter and more experienced so there is no reason he couldn't grab it and one-hit Steven

Bit lets be honest, the whole shattering thing is a bit irrelevant since it was never really clear if Steven actually needed to get shattered in order to die. For all we know, just stabbing his meat body might be enough.

>>92962705
Death Battle doesn't do prep time so he's stuck with the Small Sword for now

>>92962734
Death Battle also likes to show off unnecessary props so guess what happens if Steven has the bright idea of bringing his mom's sword while it has been established he has no idea how to use it

>>92958239
Finn grew up in a nice house raised by loving parents and then after a short period of being alone... maybe a year tops... was adopted by another nice family.

He also gets his shit rocked by anything that's an actual threat. The wizards in Ooo are push overs who can be defeated by yelling at times. It's almost getting to the point where he is losing more fights than he wins now, given that the threat level increased for a while there.

It's as if you guys don't know what a rapier is for. It's for thrusting & piercing objects - the same as a pickaxe - which breaks rocks, minerals, and gems. Same mechanics apply.

>>92950690
Nigger Finn has lifted thousands of pounds before

>>92963337
Not much use against a bubble that can easily shield against conventional weapons, and a shield that can fully block spacecraft mounted energy weapons.

A rapier is not designed for piercing hard objects, so don't compare it to a pickax. You aim for the gaps in the armor, not for the armor itself.

>>92963505
He hasn't been able to do that for ages. Even when he was showing feats of strength, it was really sporadic and there really wasn't a reference.

That monster he lifted could have been really light... I mean, he got his ass handed to him by a deer after all.

>>92962000

Trips don't lie, witnessed.

Finn has actually proven himself battle hardened and resourceful, whilst Steven just falters back to his baby sitters to do all the heaving lifting.

My money would be on Finn, since he's been through 7 layers of shit stained hell and came out stronger, whilst Steven just kind of wanders around and lets his guardian lesbian baby sitters take care of him.

>>92963607
The trips lied here, because the "psychological" bits he discussed are irrelevant in Death Battles. The assumption is both are willing to kill, always has been (because even Finn would be unwilling to harm Steven normally).

As time passes, Steven keeps getting stronger. He was able to out perform two gems (one of which was a ruby/pearl fusion) single handed, and his abilities are still maturing. He can jump nearly a quarter of a mile into the air now, and can easily lift a full grown man above his head and outrun a mob of normal humans.

Finn on the other hand has been getting weaker with each passing season.

>>92950521
Steven, that kid keeps getting new powers.

>>92963704
You seems to forget that when it comes to characters with fluctuating strength, death battle favors using them in their prime and most powerful version.

In that case, we'd end up having Current Steven facing edgy Finn right after he got his grass harm and dimensional self sword.

>>92962000
>Steven literally never made an opponent submit on his own, he always stall until somebody else steps in to finish the job.
Bismuth would say hi but that bitch got shanked.

>>92964314
>Bismuth would say hi but that bitch got shanked.
Bismuth literally let him beat her. Can you really say that it proves him as a skilled fighter when his opponent literally just stands still and asks to be stabbed?

>>92952579
Pretty sure it's canon that were Jake not prone to distraction/a lazy bitch he's OP as fuck.
In a death battle he'd obliterate.

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>>92950521
Unless Finn has had a major power boost since I stopped watching I don't see how he could win. Steven's powerset might be defensive and he might be a shitty fighter but he has enough raw strength to beat a normal human to death in seconds.

>>92965184
he isnt a terrible fighter
when pushed he was able to match amethyst, another gem with explicit super powers like strength and toughness, and amethyst is known to have superior fighting skill matching pearl, also a person with known fighting skill

the problem is...uh. If Steven uses his bubble, how is he supposed to BEAT Finn. The only offensive use is the bubble spikes, but I don't see it knocking finn out of the fight, and after its used once as a surprise...its easier to avoid just by staying out of range of the spikes, and its a stalemate.

If Steven fights to win, he'll have to use his shield.along with his less than impressive fighting skills. Finn has shown to be a better fighter in general and has strength AND durability feats on par with Steven.

>>92950521
Steven will use his 100 speech stat and become friend of Finn.

>>92950521
Finn would call Steven a little bitch and that sissy would cry

>>92950843
>>92951338
>>>/undertale/

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Steven would probably stall the match until Finn starves because he's scared, but be so traumatized he feels obligated to cry him back to life.

Then he'd get shanked by Finn when Finn realizes Steven took the one thing that still connected him to his parents, his humanity, away from him.

>>92950858
Finn is as strong or stronger than steven. Watch the fucking show some time. He's also easily more durable

>>92951332
>physiology (durability, strength, shapeshifting, and has a single weakspot)
Finn is physically superior in speed, strength and endurance. Steven just has a bunch of shields, couldn't land a single hit and there's NOTHING to say he can't be traditionally killed and a lot to say he can be. Rose might come back after he dies though, but I don't count Rose fighting as Steven.

>>92961618
DELET THIS

>>92965184
Finn is physically stronger than Steven by feats alone. People talk a lot of shit about steven but he's just pushed some boulders. Finn has his share of that sort of thing too

>>92966298
The fuck are you even talking about?

>>92966580
Dude Finn would likely thank Steven for resurrecting him

It'd be a HUGE OOC thing for Finn to do to someone RESTORED HIS LIFE!

Stalemate

Steven's shield and Bubble are far above what Finn can usually dish out. But Steven is not very offensive

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Powerman smashes them both in a nanosecond.

>>92967413
Finn has honor, he'd owe Steven a life debt and vow to serve him until it was repaid

How would Steven do if he had NO qualms about fighting or killing Finn?

>>92954406
>His only weapons are his shield and his bubble,
And his mind control, and his anti-gravity, and his ability to spawn minions, and his ability to heal gems and possibly himself with any of his body fluids, and his cult of personality, and his ability to create familiars.

In my scenario Steven would overpower Fin. Fin would get a clutch/lucky crit and crack Steven's gem. Fin would regret the win. Steven would cry, lamenting his own death, surprisingly healing himself. Finally BFFs.

Put someone else's mind in Steven's power set and they would stomp Fin.


A more interesting question is what girl/gem in Steven's setting would Fin fail to woo, and how badly would it go for him?

>>92967562
Worse, because he fails harder when he actually tries.

>>92967600
anon, careful your bias is showing.

>>92967532
>finn being okay with being a raised thrall of somebody
Yeah fucking no.

>>92967562
Probably still pretty good, he could literally just lie in wait in his bubble until Finn is too exhausted to fight back then crush him with a boulder or even using his own bare hands of he's feeling savage. Steven wins purely because he can hold out longer.

>>92967562
Steven is actually very competent at raising his shield at the right time. The only issue is that he lacks much of offensive ability beyond throwing his shield. I mean, it works as well as it does for Captain America, however Mertens is a pretty agile fellow.

It would be a fun fight to watch but I think since Finn would have to put the most effort into attacking and dodging he would tire out first.

>>92967635
He'd do it, he has a serious honor code. Why do you think he serves as PBs champion?

Remember he served as Marceline's minion because he was bound to as per an agreement.

>>92967562
Evil Steven? Take control of his body at night, and quickly drive him to a battle field of Evil Steven's advantage. Have an army of plant creatures and familiars. Pummel him with super strength and flying shields while he's still reeling. Kill him and bring him back and Pink Fin so he can torment him for the rest of eternity. Fuck all his past girlfriends as Evil Stevanie every Wensday night.

Evil Steven would be terrifying.

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>>92967681
Stevanie?

>>92967666
admittedly despite me being on Steven's side...Finn is fucking tenacious as all fuck. it would take a LONG time. that could give him a definite chance. Steven still has trouble using his powers consecutively, and against someone with thr willpower and tenacity of Finn, its hard to say who could last longer, given Steven's gem side giving him enhanced durability and stamina.

Steven would cuck Finn with Huntress Wizard and FP, Finn would cry and Steven would take the opportunity to kill him, revive him and turn him into a pink zombie

On the plus side, Fubblegum would finally be possible

>>92967723
Finn is still a human at the end of the day - he needs to eat, sleep and drink water. Steven can go for a longer time without all that stuff thanks to his gem.

And if Finn goes to sleep, Steven can possess him and make him kill himself...

We've had this thread before, but Steven would win. It isn't really a fair fight considering that Steven is half gem and Finn is entirely human. Steven has durability and brute strength along with magical powers such as his shield and bubble. Finn has taken monsters and magical creatures but there really aren't many ways for Finn to take Steven down. Ofcourse assuming Steven is actually willing to kill someone because in reality Steven is a pussy and would cry if it meant hurting someone. He'd probably try to talk Finn out of it. It really is ridiculous how timid the writers made Steven, I'm about to drop this show seeing Steven cry over an insect being hurt. There's a fine line between being a sensitive kid and actually having something wrong with you.

>>92950521
Finn, that thorn arm of his defeated a planet buster.

>>92950782
>Steven lacks the capacity to fight
Sure, but he can summon his shield when he gets attacked, making his Finn's effort useless.

>>92968052
said planet buster didnt do anything to stop Finn and the core was hit.

>>92967754
Steven doesn't even know how to possess someone, he just did it without knowing. He'd have to know how to reliably use his possession power for him to use it in combat. Steven's gem doesn't allow him to survive without food and water or sleep any longer than another human. Where in the show was that even verified? He still needs to breathe air to survive just like any other human. We see Steven be affected by fatigue

>>92968067
Then that's a stalemate not a victory

>>92968073
Orgalorg is massively faster than light since he made contact with another solar system in seconds.

>>92968052
>he hasn't watch AT in the past months
Finn doesn't have the grass sword anymore

>>92951040
>No Morals
>Bloodlusted

Why do some of these battles last minutes? They have literal gods and god beaters.

>>92951170
MISTER PAJAMA WEARIN'

>>92968098
that wasnt him physically you idiot.

>>92967723
That's true. No matter how skilled someone in combat there is always that chance the scales will tip in the underdog's favor.

I'd say Steven would win between 60%-80% of the time.

>>92968130
In that case Steven wins since his shield has yet to be broken and resisted an alien energy blaster.

>>92968146
finn would have an advantage if he could beat steven before is superior toughness or shields come in to play, by using is his one major advantage of martial skill to overwhelm his defenses and get him on the ropes

but steven has about 10 options to every one of finns, so any long fight is gonna tip in stevens favor

>>92968166
Steven isn't more tough than Finn. He isn't faster and he isn't stronger either. All he has as an advantage is magic. Magic that is purely defensive. Finn wins all day every day.

>>92950521
If Finn still had his grass sword arm he'd shatter that fat crybaby

>>92968232
If the fight were serious enough Finn would lose his arm. That means he gets his TK arm and Steven loses by proxy

>>92968191
Finn can't do anything if Steven jumps a mile into the air.
Meanwhile, Steven could just keep tossing shields at Finn, till one connects.
And Steven is most certainly tougher than Finn; he's been shown to have both superhuman strength AND durability.

>>92968191
steven is explicitly super strong and tough, well past normal human limits and veering into spider-man tier
finn is tough for a human, but not exceeding peak human capabilities, and has no supernatural abilities other than immunity to electricity

>>92968241
How powerful is the TK arm again?

Its range seems to be state sized since it was drawing in matter from hundreds of kms away from Finn.

>>92968263
>throwing shields a mile away
>implying that would take any effort at all to dodge

>>92958239
>Steven
>Grew up in a comfy house on a beach with 3 (4 if you count his dad) role models near a small town full of friendly people
>Spent most of his life watching his role models fight monsters and not really fighting anything himself until recently
>Pacifistic as fuck
>Has an overpowered shield

>>92968281
that was literally used once, and has never been shown or referenced again.

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Here's whats going to happen: Steven spits on the ground, bubbles himself all the while Finn gets into his usual ultra rage and hits the bubble with everything he's got for a time. After a few hours Stevens plant minoin will spawn which he can even remote control by now. If for some reson the bubble should break he jumbs a few hundret meters in the air and taks another day to sink down all the while his minnions fight on.
If Finn by then still havent got a heart attack Steven could just grab and squeez him.
Or if Finn ever falls to sleep Steven body snatches him.

That were probably half of Stevens powers he got at this moment

>>92968263
So has Finn. Moreso than Steven, even. Also who would sit there to be barraged. Finn would walk out of range and let the fatboy come down.
>>92968275
No, he isn't. He still only helps move large boulders. Spidey can sort buildings out. Finn is as strong as Steven or stronger. Watch Adventure Time before posting. Humans in AT (or rather just Finn) are insanely durable. as durable as Steven has been shown to be.

>>92962878
>while it has been established he has no idea how to use it
Pearl has been training him

>>92968287
I didn't say that it wouldn't. The main point is that Steven could just attack Finn at his leisure while up there, and Finn would be stuck on defense.

Steven literally jumped into the clouds when he was chasing Blue Diamond's ship also the exhaust from his ship propelling away did kill him either hes really fucking durable and has some powerful legs as well.

I remember every crystal gem can jump into the clouds casually back in the Steven floats episode, and Pearl also shrugged off being thrown into the atmosphere by Aquamarine and landing down perfectly fine.

>>92950578
I would say Finn but all he seems to do these days is job to make the female characters look better.

>>92968336
>defense
Except no, that would be of no threat to either of them. All Stevenfags can say with certainty is that Steven can stall.
>muh water melons
Finn cuts through shit like that for breakfast. Steven would be gibbed, he cannot hurt Finn at all.

>>92968378
Obviously we're talking about the character at peak

>>92968084
He went to Homeworld and didn't eat or drink for days, while Lars was completely starving Steven wasnt affected at all.

When he got home he had a sandwich and a grass of water purely because he likes them, it didn't have any sort of effect on him. If it did I think he'd be eating a little more than a pb&j after several days without food.

>>92968436
If we're talking about both characters at their best, then you have to look at Steven vs Amethyst.
He can most certainly dish it out it melee combat.
While likely not as skilled at Finn (though likely trained better due to Pearl) Steven is a capable fighter with super strength, durability and other abilities to back that up.

>>92968084
He's deliberately possessed a watermelon Steven in the past, he can control it.

>>92968508
I keep forgetting that Wanted stuff took place over several days.

>>92968528
>though likely trained better due to Pearl
No. Finn has trained with loads of people and most better than pearl
And again, stop mentioning the strength and duro- finn matches or exceeds steven, they are moot points. All steven has is stalling magic. In every other facet Finn wins by miles.

Have people forgotten Steven vs Amethyst? Sure Amethyst is not the smartest, but she does have several hundred years of experience and superhuman abilities, yet it was a stalemate because Steven is very strong, has Rose's bullshit powers (seriously, why does she get all those powers? Gems usually get one or two) and has trained very hard lately (another thing stated in that episode.)

Finn has more experience, too; but Steven can punch harder, run faster and jump higher.

I don't think Finn can actually beat Steven or any of the Crystal Gems besides Ruby, Sapphire and Peridot.

>>92968508
Eating a lot after going several days without food is actually pretty hard and if you do it you'll get sick. Steven does get hungry and thirsty.

>>92968552
>Finn has trained with loads of people and most better than pearl
Name 2 who could legitimately take Pearl in a swordfight, literally all I can think of is Rattleballs and Finn trained with him like once

>>92968436
yeah Finn does that, and then has to deal 5 or even 20 more jumping into him from a full on jump.

You ever gotten a fucking watermelon thrown at you? they're fucking heavy, no imagine one that can basically throw itself at you.

Finn could cut through a bunch but its not like he can slice around in an omnidirectional area around him constantly. He's gonna get jumped by sheer numbers.

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>>92968560
Peridot could make him kill himself with his metal arm

>>92968560
Ruby would kill Finn by igniting him on fire, unless you resist having your skin melted off fighting Ruby is suicide.

Sapphire can freeze you alive.

Peridot is so durable than a fucking multi ton objected dropped on her and still didnt poof her.

>>92968580
Rattleballs, Billy done.
>>92968594
>gets crushed under mechanical devices and monster firsts regularly
>fucking watermellons bro
Kill yourself /sug/

At this point in canon fin but steven will probably end up stronger and naturally has super strength and other great powers that will only get stronger

>>92968580
>inb4 she got poofed by stabbing

that was clearly just for plot so Steven could learn about the concept of poofing. none of the gems pearl included have poofed from something so easy since that episode.

and its heavily implied corrupted gems are less durable then normal gems. Jasper takes a shit ton of damage from Smokey Quartz and only gets poofed once she gets corrupted and easily at that

>>92968605
Finn has resisted fire and magma even. He is high tier duro and embraces pain in order to fight harder.
Finn gets frozen regularly without any issues either. Ruby and saphire are also little shitters who can't fight. Are you high or shit posting, serious question.

>>92968614
>Billy
Yeah no, he's not a swordfighter he's just a brute. Also how often did Finn train with him? Didn't they basically just hang out together?

>>92968614
there's a lot of watermelons anon.

>>92968630
>that was clearly just for plot so Steven could learn about the concept of poofing
hahahahahahahahahahhahahaha, you people are something else

>>92968662
It's called false flagging anon

>>92968641
ice kings freezing is hardly normal ice, as being enter suspended animation within and are not harmed

finn has been shown being burned and harmed by mundane fire, so it may simply be a case of writers deliberately underestimating the deadliness of lava

>>92950521
Steven wins by accident because he has healing powers and can undo the damage of the misunderstanding. It just makes narrative sense.

>>92968662
even then she was poofed by holo pearl who is capable of outputting similar levels of strength to the actual Pearl.

>>92968686
less undestimating, and more likely ignoring is deadliness for sake of a joke.

>>92968716
holopearl chopped a mighty tree with a balloon sword

so being beaten by holo pearl is hardly a sign of weakness

>>92968641
Ice King fucks around with Finn, he could have killed him already if he wanted to since hes one of the most powerful beings on the planet.

Ruby doesnt need to fight she just needs to heat up the air around her so Finn burst into flames.

Sapphire can do the opposite causing Finn to freeze to death.

>>92968751
oh no anon, you misunderstand I was saying that to show that Pearl being poofed WASNT a sign of being weak. we are on the same side.

>>92968312
>>92968275
Shut your goddam autism up. You know damn well this is where the styles of the show differentiate. Finn has toon force. You can't beat toon force.

>>92968545
I thought it was like 3 or 4 days

Finn is still just a human. Steven goes up against gem threats. Remember what happened to Lars when he went up against gem threats? He dieded. Steven can beat these things effectively, humans cannot.

>>92968776
he doesnt really have toon force.

>>92968814
Im on the side of Steven, and even then you REALLY shouldn't use false equivalency to say Finn isnt good compared to Steven. Finn is very much beyond what any human from SU could do.

>>92968605
Ruby and Sapphire only controlled fire and ice, respectively, in the motel episode during an emotional breakdown.

I don't think they can use those powers all the time, otherwise rubies would use them instead of relying on their strength. Hell, Eyeball could have easily killed Steven with fire inside that bubble and Sapphires wouldn't need that many bodyguards.

>they don't use it because fire doesn't harm gems
Not true. Alexandrite used fire against Malachite.

Garnet seems to have electrical powers, but barely uses them. I don't think gems can use elements freely, they might be bound to their emotions or require too much energy.

>>92968820
Yes he does. He is a biologically normal human teenager that can jump meters in the air.

>>92968863
It's also been stated that Garnet is the only Crystal Gem that can withstand high amounts of heat and the pressure of the bottom of the ocean thanks to Ruby and Sapphire, so gems can be hurt by fire.

>>92968885
oooh meters in the air...yeah thats some real impressive toon force there. So...I guess Robin from Teen titans is toonforce too since he can do shit people in real life cant do either. (Not TTG Robin, I mean like comic or 2003 cartoon version)

>>92954406
>>92955885

It doesn't matter how much training she's had, it's just the sword. It poofs gems instantly.

>>92968925
uhh said heat that was mentioned is the core of the fucking planet. So mere fire is kinda colder than that.

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>>92968979
>moving the goalposts this hard and being condescending about it

Going by the Death Battle rules in which killing restraint is thrown out, Steven's sheer multitude of powers would eventually win, even though there's no contest that Finn is a better physical fighter.

Mind control/possession and the ability to make plant soldiers (a few mouthfuls of watermelon seeds yielded him a fucking army that went toe to toe with the Crystal Gyms and was going to overpower them. Finn is *not* stronger than Garnet/Amethyst/Pearl as a single force) and the ability to generate a force shield that Finn can't break gives Steven too much of a defensible position. Finn keeps losing/breaking his *good* magical swords so nothing he has can break through Steven's bubble and even if he (somehow) got his hands on Gem weapons, the Breaking Point is unreliable and Rose's sword... well it's non-lethal for one, and we have no idea if it would work as intended on a gem-hybrid.

Also, While Steven is not the best fighter, Finn is also really reckless. Even if he somehow poofed Steven back into his gem--and that worked-- would he comprehend that he has to break that as well?

What confirmed powers does Finn have? Taking off the wizard powers he has,
>Telepathic communion with spirit beasts
>Psychic grass arm/psychic arm that let him grow a giant sword
>A low-level extent of shown mind-control resistance
I think grass arm should be taken out, and in turn Rose discounted because that's a crazy wildcard. Finn's arm can job eldritch abominations out in the void, only matched by Steven's friendship-no-jutsus which can befriend eldritch abominations into submission.

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A new challenger approaches.

Let's see Finn and Steven wrestle with a princess.

>>92968814
>Finn is still just a human. Steven goes up against gem threats. Remember what happened to Lars when he went up against gem threats? He dieded. Steven can beat these things effectively, humans cannot.

What kind of twisted logic is this? Finn defeated dragons in the earliest season. He's fought in dungeons and Colosseum and defeated countless monsters. Steven hasn't really ever even beat any of his Gem monsters in a straight up fight.

>>92968863
Ruby boiled a pool to vapor by just bitching about Sapphire, that means Ruby can heat up stuff without even consiously realizing it, and Sapphire was also freezing the room subconsiously as well.

Rubies can easily kill humans, they are the fodder because the normal soldiers like Jasper are even bigger monsters than them. Jasper shaked a fucking rock formation from the impact of her spindash.

>>92968863
>Garnet seems to have electrical powers, but barely uses them
Its useless on gems, their rocks dont conduct electricity.

>>92968925
>so gems can be hurt by fire.
No they cant, gems are inflammable since they are not matter fire cant do shit to them, heat on the otherhand can.

>>92969884
Just wait until we meet Graphite.

Why is Steven Universe the only show that /co/tards show this much autistic rage for?

>>92970079
becuase the anti SUfags are worse and guide them in like moths to a flame.

>>92969699
Star is impulsive as shit and generally uses spells haphazardly. Just because has the greatest potential due to her wand doesnt mean she 100% capable of using it to that extent all the time.

Plus I'd argue Steven could block most of shit with bubble and shield. Finn is dexterous enough to evade her stuff, but she in battle either three way 1v1v1 or her versus either of them, itd be close.

>>92969351
I'd argue no , he would see the gem as some weird thing that was a part o Steven and nothing more.

Hell most PEOPLE outside of the SU verse would not get the idea to shatter if they poofed Steven. There'd be no reason to think it would be worth doing.

>>92969072
dude toonforce is fucking jumping entire buildings and taking explosions as mere annoyances. Finn is just very physically adept. Him simply being in a cartoon does not equate "toonforce" Peter Griffin has toonforce, Bugs Bunny has toonforce, Spongebob has toonforce.

Finn does not have toonforce.

>>92969699
If Steven, Star and Finn ever met I think the universe would collapse under their combined enthusiasm Well probably not, but if you also added Mabel and Wander it just might.

>>92969884
Nigga, wut? Quartzes are amazing conductors, and electricity seems to fuck up their physical form.

>>92962000
See >>92951040

>>92962000
because gettng rid of Steven's morality means its fair to make Finn have his best shit. Totally fair.

So like if you had Batman lose his dont kill mentality, and he was fighting Joker...then you have be fair and make him Emperor Joker.

>>92969699
Would Star vs PPG (or at least Blossom) be a fair match?

>>92962453
false equivalency

one gem does not equal same in another show entirely. unless you somehow think Garnet is lesss durable than Ruby and Sapphire due to her gem being lower on the moh scale.

>>92971672
uhhh just one of the original PPG are easily able to fly at lightspeed and regularly beat the shit out of giant fucking monsters.

>>92968863
>Garnet seems to have electrical powers, but barely uses them. I don't think gems can use elements freely, they might be bound to their emotions or require too much energy.
maybe the diamonds? or are you assuming yellow did it only because of how angry she was?

Finn
>Went from good to shit
Steven
>Went from shit to shittier

>>92972127
finn went from decent to good
steven went from good to amazing

>>92972093
I think that wasn't electricity and more the literal hardlight sapper we have in form of the destabiliser.
YD seems to have power over the form of gems. BD over the emotions

>>92969351
the mind control happens so randomly though, it seems highly unlikely that he'd be able to use it as a battle technique unless he gets way better at it

Who would be fair matches (that makes sense thematically as well) for both of them?

>>92950521
The kid who is surprisingly resilient and good with a sword.
Vs
The kid with legit superpowers and defenses that can block out blasts strong enough to destroy buildings.

Steven would never fight to the death, though. Beyond that he is the more powerful of the two.

>>92968112
see >>92964271

>>92967590
Probably Amethyst, she seems the most sociable and adventurous and Finn's into that. She'd probably even humor his weird dates and then not know how to deal with his amorous advances.

>>92964271
Gaara didn't have that Tanuki spirit with him during his awfully shitty match with Toph

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>Both reached peak popularity around the same time
>Sword wielding adventurers

could this work?

>>92968605
Gems are weak to piercing and cutting weapons. Peridot was poofed the first time by Garnet's vice-like grip, and every other time it's a situation that plays to the gem's strengths instead of their weaknesses. Bashing and squeezing take a lot to poof a gem.

>>92970257
Finn can do things no human can do despite canonically being a plain human. The ONLY explanation for how he can do the physical feats he's seen doing is "lol, it's just a fucking cartoon, calm down". That's toonforce. Cartoonists aren't fucking physicists.

>>92970257
Finn has definitely been in situations that would've killed a normal human and the only reason he didn't die was because it's a cartoon.

Remember when his legs got crushed by that dear?

>>92971672
>>92971715
Yeah, PPG are Superman tier.
>>92972243
He's been able to do it spontaneously in Super Watermelon Island.

>>92974137
Only if Steve has a Batman skin on
>>92974328
Just being reminded of that gives me a sympathetic pain response.

>>92972093
That wasnt electricity, its an unknown form of energy that disrupts the photon bodies of gems. basically something that can scatter light particles apart meaning if you pointed it at the sun it would make the sun go pitch black thats fucking crazy dude.

>>92974413
The gem hologram bodies aren't literally light, they're made out of (functionally) magic. The disruptor disturbs that, it doesn't do anything to actual light.

>>92974574
holograms with mass

HOLOGRAMS are photons anon.

Also the energy looks like electricity because electricity just looks cool.

>>92974673
Yeah, holograms with mass isn't light, it's not photons, it's fucking magic. Holograms are just the word that's used because it's the closest to what we understand. I like to think of the gems as big balloon animals.

>>92974710
>magic
Nope its all advanced alien science.

>>92974766
Yeah that's what I said.

>>92950521

never seen Steven Universe but I've seen like 80 different screenshots of him crying and I know Finn has wrestled ogres and there was a Finn vs Jake episode where he did surprisingly well so I'd say it has to be Finn

>>92974777
Steven's got some pretty crazy feats. He's bent plate metal in half with his hands.

>>92950521
Finn is multiuniversal so him.

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>>92974777
Steven is far more powerful than fin, and he has a stupid amount of stacked powers such as super strength, mind control, healing spit, resurrection tears, almost unbreakable shield, and a protective bubble, extremely durable, levitation powers.

>>92974904
>>92974956

k but did you consider that I got trips? I think that means finn wins

>>92974924
>multiversal
prove it

Well, if we're counting best versions depicted, then Finn would absolutely fucking destroy Steven with the Grass Sword/Arm. Even if he bubbled, he could probably just pick that shit up and toss it into space. Steven doesn't take well to space, as we've seen in Bubbled.

If we're counting now, Steven has fifty different ways of beating Finn. All he's gotta do is put up the bubble and wait; he doesn't need to do anything else. He could also bubble, wait until Finn's asleep, possess him, and shank himself. He could put the bubble up, wait until Finn does that shitty running jump and then put up the spikes. He could even, alternatively, just bash him in the face. The only way Finn could win would be to shank him immediately, multiple times before he can bubble. Even then, he could probably heal HIMSELF with his tears. He cries a bunch anyway, so it'd be pretty easy.

So in conclusion, Steven absolutely fucking wrecks non-grass Finn.

>>92975081
the bubble does just fine in space

Got to appreciate how strong Steven has gotten in 2 years, at the start of the series he was a literal fat child that could occasionally summon a shield when thinking about food.

Now he's pretty much surpassed Amethyst, that has had 6,000 years combat experience and he's still only 14. His strength and combat experience is growing at a rapid speed and it'll be scary to think how strong he'll be as an adult.

>>92975223
Do you think he'll be the most powerful CN protagonist in the end?

>>92975223
Steven even in season one was already superhuman based on the casual shit he did against the corrupted gems.

>>92950858
>Steven's strength
Fat =/= strength

All Finn have to do is waft in the scent of pizza around Steven's nostrils and he'll win by default.

>>92971606
>So like if you had Batman lose his dont kill mentality, and he was fighting Joker...then you have be fair and make him Emperor Joker.

That analogy is retarded since both are characters without superpowers.

Replace the joker with superman. If you make Batman go against Supes and then remove the "no kill" policy, making a grecko-roman naked pugilism fight would be retarded. You should at least give batman his best gear in order to make the fight even.

Now it's the same thing. Steven is kind of a Superman with just as much retarded powers whose "no kill" mentality has been jacked up times 100 but is essentially his only weakness. Now if you want to remove his one and only weakness and at the same time take a character like Finn whose specialty is to be good at handling weapons but restrict him to use only the worst weapon he ever had, how is that supposed to be a fair fight?

>>92975581
He didn't make the rules
Death Battle did.

>>92968116
To make the fight look entertaining

>>92975223
Steven is still a fat lazy fucktard.

>>92975223
>Now he's pretty much surpassed Amethyst
Didn't both come to a mutal agreement that who cares a fuck if one is better then the other becaue they're equal?

Besides once Jasperedemption happens Japser is going to shape up Amethyst and she'll BTFO Steven and the Crystal Gems. To the point she'll dethrone Garnet as Leader.

>>92975581
yeah but Steven's arsenal isnt all that offensive.

and yeah....after looking at it the analogy WAS shit.

>>92975643
He's getting shit done, he decided to turn himself in and has attempted to fix the mistakes his mother made, and what the CGs should of done within the last 6,000 years instead of sitting on their ass in earth.

>>92975581
Some matches in Death Battle rules are not fair and Steven vs Finn is one of them
Letting Finn have the Grass Sword, Demon Blood Sword, or Finn Sword is like giving Shukaku to Gaara.
He simply lost them

>>92975763
And how many seasons it took? Five? Shit should've been done ages ago, Steven is as worse as the Crystal Gems, in that regard.

>>92975829
that's because the gems don't tell him anything, he only heard about the pink diamond shattering at the end of season 3.

Probably Finn, but that's just if we assume that the only gem part of Stevens physical body is literally the gem.
As far as I remember, we've never seen just how much human Stevens body is outside of the fact that it can bruise and he requires air to survive, if we assume that Steven has full human biology outside of his gem, Finn would win due to his greater combat experience, agility, and actual willingness to fight. If Steven uses his bubble, Finn would probably try and roll it off a cliff or into the ocean (it sinks) and wait for Steven to suffocate or abandon the bubble and swim for air. And even though Steven has retard strength, Finn has fought plenty of things that are much stronger that Steven physically and (after a few tries) won.
If Stevens body is more gem that human and he can't bleed to death or suffer organ trauma he'll probably win, he would just overwhelm Finn through shear strength. Both scenarios of course imply that both parties have completely gone bat shit insane and thrown away any morals they live by.

>>92975862
That's the word "Don't" Steven should have been playing Detective Conan from the very beginning. And get into Scooby-Doo shenanigans. Nope. All he wanted to do was eat pizza, play vidya gaymes and other miscellany shit while remaining ignorant to it all.

>>92950690
>gem physiology (durability)
>implying gems are not weak as fuck
Is this a meme?

>>92976435
Have you been paying attention? Corrupted gems are weak garbage but normal gems can take quite a beating. They still get punked by stabbing and slashing weapons tho.

everyone in this thread completely ignores finn strength and durability because of its inconsistencies but when someone brings up how inconsistent the gems strength and durability is everyone just pretends that shit doesn't count

multiple times in the serious episodes of steven universe the gems are shown to be weaker than everyday monsters in adventure time

easily being poofed from steel pipes being casually slid into their backs or having their gems cracked from relatively short falls

>>92976896
That wasn't a short fall, a gem has only been cracked once total in the history of the show.
Corrupted gems are weaker than normal gems and all gems are weaker to stabbing.

>>92950521
Steven is legit OP now that he has shit like super strength, healing, unbreakable shield, possession/mind control, flight, shapeshifting, dream powers, creating life/plant soldiers, raising the fucking dead and the dead he raises are portals for him and so on next episode he'll probably get a new ability to blow up planets with his mind or something.

>>92977017
it was a relatively short fall for someone who is supposed to have superhuman strength and durability

finn at his weakest with any sword he's ever had can generate enough force to poof any gem if we are going by the minimum required force to poof a gem as shown in steven universe

i'm not saying he could win at his weakest but that he could generate enough force to poof a gem

if we allow finn to keep his strength and durability which until recently he has had more often than not (and he still has it a good chunk of the time) there's no way steven would stand a chance

>>92977465
Yeah, the gems aren't invulnerable but the fighters among them are extremely skilled. Garnet's future sight, speed and strength would put her completely beyond the reach of Finn.

Why are people factoring mind control and the plant soldiers for steven? Is he gonna fucking plant some seeds or take a nap while fighting finn? Yeah they're feats but don't make any sense to apply in this fight

>>92977520
>beyond the reach of Finn.
How?i'm of the opinion that finn would destroy any gem we've seen so far who is not a diamond or a giant fusion

garnet might be a little faster than finn but she's definitely not stronger and her future vision never works in any meaningful way

but if her future vision actually worked then i have to give it to you she would probably rock finn's shit

>>92977864
I disagree. Garnet's future vision worked great in fights. See: Jasper vs Garnet on the hand ship. Also, her gauntlets are indestructible. Also: during Ocean Gem/Mirror Gem in the water clone mirror match, Garnet and mirror Garnet were punching hard enough for the shockwaves to fuck up the ocean floor. She doesn't have as much brute lifting strength as some other gems we've seen but her speed and power output in a fight are phenomenal.

>>92977958
>See: Jasper vs Garnet on the hand ship
what about Jasper vs Garnet on the beach

i'm not saying her future vision doesn't work at all just that it doesn't work in a meaningful way like the sharingan in the later parts of naruto

>>92974956
Also his shield can reflective a lot of shit.

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>>92950782
>Steven lacks the capacity to fight
so you idiots dont watch the show

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNSVFnxFBk0

>>92969699
they fuck desu

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>>92952313
What about the other time he soloed a dungeon?

>>92952264
>goddamn deer took him out for weeks/months.
You just reminded me of that horrific episode.

>>92975223
To be fair, Amethyst was being lazy most of the time. If she had actually applied herself in those 6000 years, Steven would have some catching up to do.

>>92976310
He's a kid, thats what they generally do, (and what Steven would have kept doing) had Lapis not been freed.

>>92976310
>Nope. All he wanted to do was eat pizza, play vidya gaymes and other miscellany shit while remaining ignorant to it all.
What the fuck? That sounds like a kid. The writers have to be fucking retarded.

>>92983165
He didn't stop, though.

>>92983356
True. What I meant was kept on doing those things without much in the way of finding out about Rose's past and whatnot.

>>92979011
It's basically Captain America tier. It can probably only be broken via plot device.

>>92967522
who wins between powerman and saitama?

>>92985665
There's a sale and Saitama can't make the fight so Powerman wins by default.

>>92950782
>He wasn't able to kill a bug
Was it an evil bug?

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Who would you hang out with?
Steven or Finn?

>>92986085
Steven acts like he's 6 half the time, while Finn's pretty chill. Finn, hands down.

>>92986085
A queer infant and a beta fuccboi

Neither.
I'll beat their ass and steal their shit.

>>92950521
Finn stops the beta cuck

mary sue fat kid would have some deus ex machina ability that would block and undo anything finn does, but thats because his show is written like shit. Lets give the trophy to finn for often losing and growing from it

>>92986085
I would love to hang out with Steven!

>you will never talk and sing and cry together
>you will never play videogames together
>you will never eat donuts together

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>>92986218
>>92986156
>>92986887
>>92987153

you are trying to hard

>>92952264
>>A goddamn deer took him out for weeks/months.

that was no ordinary deer

it fucked up jake for months too somehow despite jake actually having superhuman durability

plus it had those... freaky hands

>>92953001
this left me weirdly horrified the first time I saw it
I was cringing the entire episode

>>92974766
Is it though? Peridot mentioned that era 2 gems like herself don't have much for powers, and instead rely on technological enhancements.

Seems like a "magiteck" situation going on there. A technologically advanced civilization in their own right, but with inherent magic.

>>92981596
That dungeon was designed to basically be masturbation for people like Finn.

>>92987965
Jake has pretty normal durability. Jake suit showed how much even BMO could hurt him.

I'll give you the hands though.