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>As far as wagers go, it's among the more lenient that Himself has made

“Kassardis, for his part, could do little but flee to the canyon, carrying the old swordmaster’s weapon and clad in near-rags. Once there, he hid himself among the reeds in a low pool in the bottom of the canyon. It was cool, and shady there, and the coming evening began to wash over the land, and Kassardis felt, for the first time in days, peace enter his heart.

It was with dread then, that he heard the footfalls of his three wives entering the canyon not an hour layer, and knew that his time hard run out.”

– Tales of the Silver Prince
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I have to wait like thirty fucking minutes and just as I finally decide to make the thread you gotta go and do this shit.
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>>92931166
WALKING!

EYE!
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>>92931246
>Himself
>Myself
>can be rendered as 'I'
>Sounds like 'Eye'
kek
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>>92931195
same here. was wondering what was taking so long to upload and then boom, duplicate file error.

anyway, Himself seems pretty chill
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Thread died before I could post this. In reply to someone saying Himself was a self insert character.
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>>92931166
Damn, this is a really good deal seeing as how they could very well just die anyway during the heist. It's practically a handout.
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>>92931294
I can't be super fast making the threads all the time. Sometimes I want somebody else to make the thread but also as fast as I would make it.
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>>92931302
Never hurts to break the 4th wall and self-insert a little, if there's a situation where it can work. Done it myself.
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>>92931449
>Never hurts to break the 4th wall and self-insert a little
I kind of disagree. It only works if you're doing a comedy series.
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>>92931525
Took me a good while to figure out what that second word could be
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>>92931525
this is significantly worse than having to beg before Himself
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>>92931166
>those deep gouge marks all over the inside of the cage.
>completely calm and collected voice
A spooky dude
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>>92931166
cocacola is fucked
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>>92931497
Works fine here. Pull the stick out your ass.
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>>92932160
Where are you people even getting the idea Himself is a self insert character?
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Oh man haven't kept up with this. Has Allison grown some testicles yet?
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>>92931344
The king of all devils knows better than to incur the wrath of the rising god-king.

It's actually a very good deal for both parties since Himself can afford to play the long game.
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>>92932225
She evoked the name of a god and headbutted an ebon demon into paste not long ago.
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>>92932311
Holy moly, I'll be back.
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Have you been enjoying the devil submissions anon?
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>>92931166
Is this comic written by a bot or something? I love the art but the dialogue sounds like gibberish to me.
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>>92932225
She's 100% + 50% more powerful and ballsier than she was at the start. The 50% is on loan from David Bowie
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>>92931166
Notice the way Himself's words wrap themselves around the bars of his cage.
Notice the pattern to the corrosion on the bars of his cage.
His words are literally corrosive
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>>92932419
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>>92932400
But is she killin' shit?
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>>92931166
Oh! It's pink again, she's a little bit anxious isn't she?
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>>92932386
cio porn when?
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>>92932356
tell us who won Abbadon
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>>92932356
I went through it a week ago, but there's a lot more now.

Last time I went through it the one I really liked the was the story of a gold devil who has been working for the dragon's "bank" for so long that he's degraded all the way down to pale and learned every aspect of every job at the bank and many many secrets.
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>>92932077
I get a feeling the imprisonment is as voluntary as we all assume.
People have pointed out in the past Himself is in a sort a quantum state between the black name and pure black flame.
I think it is something like Schrödinger cat. When he is observed and talked to Himself can keep the flame bound but when he is alone he slip towards being unbound again and tries to break out.
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>>92931166
Hahah, the only request anyone ever makes of a King to Be. When someone begs you to remember them, you know you're some big shit.
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The Liturgy reads a lot like Lewis Carroll's sorites.

It's bizarre.
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>>92932454
She killed a cannibal god whose wife was too much of a pussy to slay. Then Mega Man'd most of his power. Except the cannibalism.
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>>92932821
Oh. I think I fell off the wagon right before that. I was really excited too.

Gonna give it a reread.
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>>92932386

Nah, its actually pretty well written.

Its just people from otherworldly cultures, who have their own parlance, further complicating matters by talking around important subjects and being flowery and cryptic.

If you have read the comic up until now, none of this should be hard to follow because this conversation is actually pretty straightforward.
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>>92931166
God dammit I can't wait any longer! SHOW US THE DEMON CREW!! Show me I lost so I can get on with my life!
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>>92932480
Cio/Allison lewds are greatly needed.
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>>92931302

What is up with the discoloration?
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>>92932419
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My heart actually races thinking about whether or not i won the character contest
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>>92931166
I totally read all this in Tim Curry's Satan voice
The "my dear" really seals it
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>>92932386
Sounds like a reading comprehension problem to me.
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>>92934452
Anon let me tell you something. There were many many good entries, the odds of one of us here actually having won are probably horrible so do yourself a favor and don't get your hopes up, it's only going to suck all the more when we lose.
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>>92931166
>tfw you missed the contest because you binge read every few months
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(1)
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>>92934997
(2)
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>>92934997
>>92935090
its amazing how much abby's improved
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>>92932160
It was a joke. Himself is not a self insert character I just msdr that image based on another post.
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>>92932419
(Insert suitably astounded image here)
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>>92932480
There's already cio porn anon. She wrote it.
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>>92933813
It might be off color because it was probably saved in a different image format.
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>>92932419
[toxic love plays faintly in the distance]
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>>92935137
If you want to call it that. I for one miss ol bug limbed, giant eyed Cio
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>>92931302
>>92931449
How is this a self insert? I'm confused.
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>>92935757
I'm hoping that once the action starts at the bank she'll shift into a more bug-like form.
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>>92934997
>>92935090
Indeed, he's grown. I hope she'll sprout a bit more limbs though.
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>>92932419
Fuck, Abby's good
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>>92931344
>Damn, this is a really good deal seeing as how they could very well just die anyway during the heist. It's practically a handout.
Yeah. But I guess that's what it meant when He said this is just a formality. He isn't being asked to do much, so he isn't asking for much in return. They were polite to ask him, so he is being polite in not being difficult.
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>>92936226
Allison name is Kill Six Billion *Demons*.
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>>92936447
Your point?
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>>92936447
Demons \= devils
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>>92936513
Well, he and all his buddies are demons. He obviously should have some kind of agenda here.
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Considering how split some people are on Cio's development, I thought this may be of some relevance to you.
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>>92936743
No, they're devils. There is a slight difference.

Abbadon confirmed that 'demons' refers to evil people people in general. That's why Motty Mays' husband counted as one.
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>>92931166
>only- remember me when the throne is offered to you, Allison

I love vague shit like this. Hopefully it's brought back up in the future.
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>>92937585
Maybe he's just insinuating that the throne is a prison.
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>>92936776
I'd say abby's doing a good job, honestly because I catch myself forgetting that Cio has a ebon black hardon for the future godking, but is a nuanced character in her right where that is in the forefront 100% of the time while not erasing her as a queer actor.
But by the same defenition you dont think of alexander the great, hercules Vivic or loki and immedtily go to "lol fags"
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>>92937659
That's even cooler.
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>>92937680
>But by the same defenition you dont think of alexander the great, hercules Vivic or loki and immedtily go to "lol fags"

uh
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>>92936734
EXACTLY!
My Pappy didn't fight in the Blood War to be mistaken for Demon filth!
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>>92937680
>alexander the great, hercules or loki

Not one of those are gay.
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>>92937784
Hercules fucked whatever he wanted, though.
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>>92937836
That's not gay.
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>>92937850
>fucking men
>not gay
???
Loki turned into a horse and got rammed by a stud giving birth its kids
Hercules had a fucboi companion
Alexander literally and figuratively impaled his favorite slutboy with his javlein

They're all bi/gay they're all relative queer at the very least but you think about what they did and who they were personally first usually.
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>>92937958
First off Loki as raped by that horse. He also had other kids by impregnating females and had a wife he loved.

Some goes for Alexander and Hercules they both had loving relationships with omen and had children.

They're bi at most as fucking little boys was a pastime in ancient Greece.
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>>92935090
Her smile and optimism: Gone
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>>92937680
Anon, Vivec is a hermaphrodite who's into bestiality.
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Cio's gonna fucking die isnt she?
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>>92937680
Is she gay? She have (had?) a husband.
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>>92938360
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>>92938390
I don't think devils are attracted the same way humans do. Like, they probably lust after whatever they fancy
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>>92938505
No, I mean is "Cio is gay\bi" WOG or something? She had a husband, all here slaves in flashback seems to be a man. Where does it even came from? Here funfiction book?
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>>92938838 => >>92938745
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>>92938838
The fact that she's currently in love with Allison.
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>>92938745
It would be funny if being attracted exclusively to one gender or race was considered weird for devils. On the other hand I can imagine that a lot of them don't feel attraction at all.
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>>92938909
They feel attracted to power.
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>>92935090
>she has a little teapot bolo for her cape
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>>92938966
But that doesn't mean it has to be the same type of attraction. I can't imagine mister "I just got my eyes punched out" to be attracted in a human sense, on the other hand wanting to posses or consume something powerful like a crow who saw something shiny fits perfectly.
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>>92936776
The issue is that everyone's a waifu, not Cio specifically

People only had a problem with the random "I'm a fanfiction writer" bit, and the sudden change in manners when she met Allison the second time but I don't see that much hatred towards her otherwise.
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>>92932480
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>>92933472
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>>92935676
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>>92941774
is that In-Case art?!
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>>92942160
Doesn't look like sameface for the most part.
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>>92941749
More.
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>>92942160
I don't think so. Even unclolored, I feel like InCase's lines are thinner or sharper or something.
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>>92942275
incase has gotten really good at making faces distinct
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>>92942403
mmmmmmmmmmmno
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>>92932660
I am not too deep in k6bd lore.
Can you explain for non ordained clerics?
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>>92936776
>>92940147
Mm. Her reappearance was when many of the complaints about her came up, but I also recall people having misgivings about her when she scoffed at Allison saying she had to save her boyfriend (emphasis on boy).
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>>92932821
Eh she didn't megaman the Tree demiurges power, because the power was in her head all along.
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>>92941730
>>92941749
>>92941774
>cio will never write erotic friend-fiction about you
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>>92942488
This being the page I'm referring to.

I think the initial reaction was that Cio was a misandrist? Or that she's at least wary against them. Because she was abused by men (Preem Nand and, possibly, Oscar?). And it didn't help that when she was trying to guide Allison along, one of her suggestions was to "definitely" get her a "new love interest", and "maybe a girl".

At any rate, this touchiness against men hasn't been brought up again since then.
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>>92942475
Devils are born from the hot black flame of chaos, formless, mindless and destructive. hen Zoss came along and created the masks used to bind them they gained personalities and minds all bound into the chain of names they are bound to.

Ebon devils, the most powerful devils have one name, a unique name that allows them to be as close to unrelenting chaos as possible and retain their mind.

Himself is the exception. He has no mask and his name is one he chose Himself. He is a singular will amid infinite broiling madness with no bounds but the ones he chooses and this has made him the most powerful devil by an immense margin.
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>>92942475
>>92942658
Adding on, the reason Devils are like this is stated in myths to be because the gods never shaped them, not like Koss did to the Angels. There are 777 Angels in existence and there will always be 777. If Koss had never tempered them and hammered in the Law into their very beings, Angels would supposedly be rather terrible.
>Q: What shape do you think the cold white flame would have taken, had the law not been beaten into it? Would what came from it be significantly different from devils?
>A: Almost assuredly a terrible shape, that we should not wish to see.
By the by, Himself was also stated to be as powerful as a Prime Angel, I believe.
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>>92941730
>that moment when you realize the comment in this pic is yours
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>>92942780
Where was it said that there are only 777 angels?

That feels like an exceedingly small number to enforce law on such a massive stage that is the wheel.
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>>92931525
>Throne Anthro__n
>please be some weird play on anthropophagus
>realize it's not
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>>92936776

>>92941749

It's interesting how both tumblr and 4chan go for Allison/Cio fanfic/fanart for titillation, but for different arcs.

I'm fairly sure bug eyed cio was her glasses stylised as her expression.

I'm glad Abbadon seems to be breaking out the overused tropes as a lesbian friend doing double duty as titillation, and for diversity points, and actually giving her redemption points. Much better character.

Here's hoping we don't see Alison's roommates ever again though, or at least only during the invasion of Earth.
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>>92943001
It's only really Throne and the Void I think - they don't enforce in the universes.

I think the Void might be much smaller in size then the Wheel, because empty spaces don't exist, or places without sentient beings don't have a void counterpart - like the Cognitive Realm in Brandon Sanderson's Cosmere.
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>>92932419
Holy shit
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>>92931525
I don't get it.
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>>92943001
It was stated in one of the stories below the comic and they originally only fought the shapeless devils emerging from the void to consume Throne.

That there are too few to enforce Old Law on a cosmic scale is why things have gone to shit.
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>>92932386
It is definitely difficult to read at times.
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Will the Cio bullying ever stop ?
I hope it doesn't
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>>92936776
>queer ladies
It was about as subtle as an A-10 Thunderbolt, but I guess this is about as good as a confirmation that Cio has feelings for Allison

Personally don't mind the style change for Cio, everything was a bit rougher in the first book, and she still has the occasional fang flaring and demonic eyes to make her stand out among the sea of same faced "waifus"

Also still speaks with the vernacular of someone from three centuries ago, so I still like her as a character, definitely the best of Allison's companions
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>>92943001
Do keep in mind that the "massive stage" was only Throne itself. All the 777,777 universes that currently exist right now were made when the gods decided to fuck off and die.
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>>92942658
>>92942780
Thanks, the chronology is a bit sketchy but I think I got it, more or less.
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>>92932255
Actually, I imagine Himself wouldn't give a shit if she was Zoss himself, he could crush her in an instant if he wanted to, he just isn't some mindless savage.
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>>92943578
I, too, think there should not be a single comic on Earth spared from powerlevel faggotry.
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>>92943578
No, Himself is roughly the equivalent of a Prime angel, and Zoss murdered all of the Primes

>>92943623
Abbadon also regrets answering any power level questions ever
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>>92935757
I think he means as in terms of technical skill. I too prefer insectoid Cio
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>>92943664
Himself is stronger than a Prime angel and would beat it in a fight simply because he doesn't play by the same rules. Zoss would still beat him though
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>>92932386
I woulnd't say gibberish, but a bit hammy regarding dramatic moments sometimes.
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>>92943664
>Abbadon also regrets answering any power level questions ever

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRaGcdIOARo

It's never a good idea to start ranking your characters in aptitude, you can let the audience get a feeling for who could beat who, but if you start ranking your characters where would the excitement for potential upsets lie?

Also when making a story you never know who will need to beat who

Also if you start ranking some characters soon people will start to ask for the rank of every character
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>>92943664
>>92943623
It's not power level faggotry, and I'm not saying Himself would beat Zoss, I mean, even if Zoss himself walked up and made demands, Himself wouldn't turn into some simpering baby begging to kiss Zoss' feet, Himself seems above most things in this world, not just because he doesn't follow the rules of reality, but because he's, spiritually, beyond most concerns, even when against a being as mighty as the Conquering King or the Rising King. Where as Prime Angels would rage and hate, Himself would just shrug and speak calmly.
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>>92943782
Ham is better than marvel styled quipping, makes more sense for individuals that live for thousands and thousands of years to get a bit theatrical with the years to spice things up
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>>92943848
I'm thinking more about Allison whenever she tries to be a hardass. Which fine, she's a newbie, etc, but sometimes I think the drama doesn't quite land.
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>>92943801
It seems like Himself is smart enough not to directly go against Zoss. Devils can be useful to have around so Zoss probably didn't have much of a reason to start shit. We don't know what either of their long term goals are but so far there's no evidence they conflicted. Himself probably tried to leave Zoss alone so Zoss would stay out of his shit.
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>>92943884
See the sweat-drops, her flame constantly spluttering in an attempt to manifest only to be constantly put down.

She's trying hard to be a total bad ass but Himself won't let her.
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Oh fuck, I just thought of something awful: Himself is Dagoth Ur.

Since he is Himself, it's literally impossible for Himself to see the himself as a lesser part of the Godhead/YISUN, which is what happens when you gaze at the universe's edge and see I and achieve CHIM/Royalty.

Since his egoism is so fundamental, the process of CHIM/Royalty is reversed for him. Instead of seeing himself as fundamentally part of the universe, he sees the universe as fundamentally part of him. He gazes at the wheel's edge, but sees ∞ instead of I.

This is why Himself can so easily grasp the wheel and prevent its turning, stopping time: to his perception, there is literally no difference between himself and the universe.
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>>92944503
Well, as I understand it his powers comes not so much from any understanding how royalty specifically, but from the fact that he gave himself his own name, making him per definition the apex devil.

Maybe that has some implications of his royalty, and I have no idea how he first came to be, but he seems more like a loophole in the devil rules than anything else.
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>>92944609
Yeah, and that's the power that the name gives him. Himself isn't powerful because he doesn't have to wear a mask, or doesn't need to fuel his hot black flame. Himself is powerful because, in over 20 Kalpa, he is the only being to ever see the universe in a truly unique way.

He's basically achieved negative Royalty.
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>>92944013
I honestly don't think anyone, not even Zoss, could truly beat Himself. I don't mean in a power level sense, I mean, think about it. To kill a Devil, you must destroy their mask, as that destroys their identity, and returns them to the chaotic black flame from whence they came. But Himself is his own identity. I imagine you can kill the flesh, bleed the body, destroy his form, but can Himself truly ever be killed? His ego is strong enough to give himself a name, thus, if he is ever killed and returned to the black flame, whats stopping him from just coming back, naming himself again, and being reborn? As powerful as Royalty is, could a Royalist destroy someone's identity and their ego?
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>>92944676
I think thats why Abby said he doesn't play by the same rules of reality as everyone else.

From what I see, Royalty is to achieve truth and to become one with the universe, allowing you to do anything. But Himself, he doesn't become reality, reality becomes what he demands it to be.
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>>92944733
It's frighteningly easy to destroy Himself, actually. All you have to do is convince him that he doesn't exist, or put him in a situation where he realizes this himself, and all that egoism disappears; Himself vanishes into nothing.

The problem is, there very few beings who would know how to do this, and even fewer who would be able to do it without themselves dying. Off the top of my head, the only beings who could conceivably do this are Zoss, 1 Metatron, and Meti. Ys Voya also, assuming she actually exists.

Zoss has continued to exist even after his death, which makes it seem that he's royalty to such a degree that he could unmake Himself and still keep enough of his own identity to survive.
Meti, because I have a sneaking suspicion that the art of Cutting is similar to the pankratosword, and can therefore be used to destroy immaterial conceps (such as Himself's self-image).
1 Metatron and Voya for the same reason: since they have the knowledge of the gods, they have the knowledge that they're all just fragments of YISUN.
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>>92932419
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>>92937778
>that fucking comic
THIS IS WHY YOU NEVER TRUST A FUCKING BAERNALOTH!!
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>>92931525
probably a reference to this
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>>92944987
Thats the problem though. Himself came from nothing, there was no conscious before Himself named himself. So, how do you convince something like that, that it doesn't exist? Cogito ergo sum in full force here, his very thoughts made him exist, and he is likely at a degree of sentience that he understands the workings of the universe. It's like trying to tell someone in a play that they are an actor, not their character, they already know what goes on behind the curtains, so you aren't telling them something they already don't know.
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>>92944987
Easy on paper, nigh impossible in practice.

To convince Himself that he doesn't exist you would have to convince him chaos doesn't exist, that the black flame doesn't exist.

I believe that he is the ego of the black flame itself, risen through the nonstop combination of possibility and the thoughts of Yisun Himself.

I doubt any but Aesma would be able to convince Himself that he Isn't.
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>>92943182
Throne Anthrocon

The throne furry convention. Note the reflection in the glasses, you mongs.
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>>92942646
That looks like a huge stretch to me, I always read it as "I'm caught in all this mess because of this kiddie crap?"
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>>92945650
I think the major issue comes down to perspective. The only ones who could reasonably convince Himself he doesn't exist are those who have seen the truth of the universe, and by that point, those people would know that nothing exists, and everything exists, so it becomes a moot point, since convincing Himself he doesn't exist would mean convincing yourself you don't exist, because everything is YISUN, and YISUN is everything, and nothing at the same time, so it becomes an loop of contradicting meta logic, and would likely result in Himself just asking you to sit down, have a cup of tea and calm down.
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>>92945768
I've just had an idea that is an extrapolation of that.

Himself has power because he exists within rules he sets for Himself.

Yisun divides into Law and Chaos, Law being that which binds Chaos and defines what Chaos can do.

There are parallels here that I'm finding hard to communicate because I'm incredibly drunk right now. Basically Himself is Yisun thinking about himself(which then turns into Himself) in a bunch of incredibly meta ways.
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>>92945903
Well, when you think about it, every being in KSBD is YISUN thinking about him/her/itself in different ways, and being those thoughts, which inevitably think of themselves and thus YISUN. So YISUN is in a constant state of thinking about itself thinking about itself in infinite infinite ways. So Himself might just be a thought that did away with the formalities of individualism and presented itself plainly as Himself.
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>>92945538
>cogito ergo sum in full force here
http://killsixbilliondemons.tumblr.com/post/156109189275/i-think-therefore-i-am-but-yisun-teaches-that-i

>>92945650
>you would have to convince him chaos doesn't exist, that the black flame doesn't exist
Which isn't acually that hard, considering it doesn't.
But the thing is, you don't even need to convince him. All you have to do is give him just a single shred of self doubt; a single thought to wonder if Himself really does exist. That's all it takes for the facade to be broken.
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>>92946014
Or, it might just make his grip on self even stronger. After all, self doubt is a major step in many forms of enlightenment and spiritual growth. If you somehow present Himself with a shred of self doubt, he may end up falling apart, or he may reaffirm his self, and come back all the stronger for it. A being as egotiscally mighty as Himself isn't some big balloon that will deflate with a single puncture, after all.
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>>92945998
Everyone else is Yisun thinking about possible others. Only Himself is the thought process about himself.

All these possible others are based on Yisuns own thoughts about what is not Himself.

>>92946014
Well it sounds like the thing that would end Himself is the thing that allowed Yisun to commit suicide.
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Well this got me pretty hype

>>92932386
It's called prose. Something Abbaddon is quite good at. Nice to see some of his text idioms in comic dialogue

>>92932419
sheeit
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>>92932419
oh FUG
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>>92946118
>A being as egotiscally mighty as Himself isn't some big balloon that will deflate with a single puncture, after all.
I think that's exactly what Himself is, actually. So big and so powerful, yet so delicate he has to lock himself in a box or risk deflating at the slightest errant thought.
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>>92946274
Thats not why he locked Himself away though, he put Himself in self imprisonment because he is too powerful to be free.
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>>92946326
It could be both. Abbadon's mentioned before that something he wanted to explore in the comic is that ultimate power isn't all its hyped up to be, since exercising that ultimate power often elads to your own destruction (see: Meti's sword manual).
Himself is probably ludicrously powerful, but can't actually use that power without losing concentration and failing to constantly affirm that he is himself and that he really exists.
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>>92946435
Or it could be that Himself realizes the truth of power, and even though he is so unquestionably strong, he realizes he endangers the world around him if he's free to go about, and thus sealed himself away to protect the world
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>>92946435
I like your theory.
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>>92939008
>inb4 6 Juggernaut breaks her.
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>>92942780
There are more than that, dawg.
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>>92943749
Abby said that Himself and Metatron are on the same level of power.
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>>92946435
I like that a lot, that makes sense considering Abbadon also said that H/M1 are on the same level of power, but they're somewhat worse off because they have so much power.
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>>92946847
Which makes me think, how is M1 worse off? There's the obvious answer - that he's in the pitiful state he's in now because he knew what Zoss wanted to know - but I feel that the truth is much deeper than that.
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>>92947157
I think it's exactly what it means. Having so much power endangers the world around them. I think, perhaps, because Himself is unbound black flame without a mask, just existing causes some serious damage around him, I mean look at this page, it shows his very words are corrosive and can damage things. As for M1, well his very voice "shattered thought" according to another angel, so it likely means his every action is backed by such power he can't hope to do anything normally without causing pain and destruction
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>>92946783
True, but Metatron isn't an average Prime
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>>92945119
It's a real thing? Are there any links to Planescape Hellbound?
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>>92947724
I saw it posted on /tg/ once. Or was it 8/tg/?
Either way, I was stupid and didn't save it. I'll do a bit of digging, though.
Do you want to know the plot of the comic?
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>>92947842
Sure, planescape always interests me, especially since the rereleased Torment
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>>92947890
I have good news and bad news.
Good news: I found the comic
Bad news: it's in russian
http://lord-sagoth.livejournal.com/781648.html

Luckily, I remember the story (a bit) and I'll write a summary on the next page.
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>>92931166
>>As far as wagers go, it's among the more lenient that Himself has made

Heh.

I could see Allison taking this wager, while Cio freaks out about how her Godking was treating her like a cheap token in a game.

Then as Allison leaves, she BURNS EVERYTHING. Up to and including the beast at the door.

Just to drive home that Allison doesn't like flesh-eating monsters.

If they fail, let Himself send whatever he can recruit in the meantime.
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>>92948308
Cheers, tried using this ocr translate on it, but i would have had to feed it in page by page.

>>92948482
But Alison isn't that powerful yet I don't think, plus then Himself doesn't have a formality to prevent him from escaping.
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>>92944987
Other methods perhaps
>Sway the balance of Order and Chaos in the universe to Order's side
>Somehow insult his ego / give him a name
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>>92948308
*next post

>So, the MC of the comic is a half-fiend dark elf with a stupid fucking goatee. I don't remember what his name is. His dad is a Balor who owns a fortress in The Abyss, and the MC has the hots for one of his dad's underlings: a Marilith called Alamanda. MC wants to be a hero, so Alamanda will love him
>Unfortunately for the MC, it's a very bad idea to fall in love with a creature that is literally Chaos And Evil Made Flesh. MC walks in on Alamanda cucking him for his dad.
>MC runs away like a bitch, and his luck turns from bad to worse as he's approached by a Baernaloth offering a deal. Now, any berk worth his salt would know that accepting a deal with a Baernaloth is a terrible thing that you should never do, but our MC is pretty fucking dumb so he doesn't run away screaming.
>Baernaloth offers a deal: he'll take the MC to a force of Chaotic Good, who will make the MC a hero.
>MC agrees because he's a fucking idiot. Force of Chaotic Good makes him a hero, sorta.
>MC returns home to see that his dad's fortress is under attack. Alamanda's been killed but says she loves him as she dies.
>Turns out, they made the MC a tragic hero.

And this, kids, is why you never ever ever cut a deal with those dog-faced faggots, or anything else with '-loth' in its name.
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>>92948603
>give him a name
I think you may have hit the nail right on the head there, anon.
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>>92948482
Allison is strong, and can clearly hit an Ebon's clock off, but she is no where strong enough to kill the entire Court and every devil in White Eyed Woman, many of these creatures are Ebon Devils, one of which would be more than enough to match Allison at her current, Incubus infused level, but the entire court would tear her to pieces. Not to mention it would risk pissing Himself off
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>>92948611
Doesn't seem that bad of a deal.
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>>92948603
>>92948713
The point of names is to bind the black flame, give it shape, give it form, give it a mask and an identity. You cant give Himself a name, cause he already has one.
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>>92948611
Cheers for the recap.

Was this comic book part of a series looking at each plane in turn then?

Fall-from-Grace from Torment is the one example I can think of a demon becoming non-chaotic or non-lawful.

>>92948799
Maybe if you try to mask and bind Himself, you get a completely new demon, and Himself will respawn in some unknown location in reality, as long as at least one devil is masked and bound.
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>>92947157
The Thorns

Think about which angel of YISUN might have appeared to Jagganoth and what the Thorns are all about
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>>92948771
Nobody trust this poster. he's probably a Yugoloth in disguise.

>>92948841
I know nothing else about a comic for each plane. I highly doubt it, though, since some planes are just more interesting that others. You could probably write more about the 9 hells of Baator than you could about the rest of planescape combined.
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>>92948308
If you really want it translated I might take a crack at it. Not this week though and my russian isn't perfect.
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>>92949009
I'm good thank you, I enjoyed reading the summary was enough.

I wonder what makes angels more boring then demons to read about?

Need more Aziraphale Crowley teamups
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>>92932419
I hope to be this kino one day

one day
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>>92948841
I think just trying to put a mask on Himself won't result in anything. It's like putting a mask on an already masked devil, which, as far as I imagine, results in an agitated devil, because you just shoved a mask into his face and spilled his beer.
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>>92949051
>I wonder what makes angels more boring then demons to read about?
People being fine to make demons as weird and pseudo-lovecraftian as they want, but not willing to do the same with angels.
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>>92936776
>there's also this thing I really hate when a character's sexuality or gender defines them for some reason

Lol White Chains entire fucking character is being butthurt all angels see each other as male, to the point where it's the driving force behind making them help Metatron\Thorns.
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>>92949143
It's more of a White Chain is too human which manifests as them being sort of female and that seems to be only because the first human in Throne was a woman which apparently makes WC fanboy over her. So it's not the reason for WCs character just a symptom.
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>>92949210
The most character they've shown besides being stick up the ass kung-fu cop is gender related frustration.
Juggernaut is endlessly more entertaining and all they did was yell.
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>>92949210
this seems a lot more like an excuse than an honest answer.
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>>92931166
when are they going to fuck
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>>92949300
Soon, hopefully
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>>92949143
The driving force for WC to work with Metatron was the angels inaction and indifference to human suffering, not their male gender identity.
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>>92949289
I mean hes wrote WC like that up until that statement so maybe he'll put more effort into WC's character.
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>>92949399
I thought they just didnt have a gender identity at all.

When WC is getting taunted and punished they accuse (((her))) of holding on to "insipid gender"

that says to me they all see the concept of gender as something human and not worthy of consideration of angels
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>>92949581
A better struggle would be revealing that WC actually does give too much of a shit about gender and identity in general, and they're not being as altruistic as they thought they were.

The other angels were basically heckling WC for acting human AND female, that appears to have upset them considering she tells them to fuck off and they're going to help Michael end the everything and whatnot.
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>>92949626
>A better struggle would be revealing that WC actually does give too much of a shit about gender and identity in general, and they're not being as altruistic as they thought they were.
It's a personal struggle. Altruism doesn't feature into it in any way.
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>>92949581
>they all see the concept of gender as something human
but they call each other brother
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>>92949581
Yeah that's more like it. They're looking down on WC for passing to much time with humans and becoming like them, while WC is pissed at other angels for not upholding the Law. To them (and also to devils), gender doesn't mean shit, but mingling with humans leads you astray from your true nature.
Past that I guess Abbadon loves his females characters and the story can always be related to issues we see in real life, especially with so many things left blurry/open enough to interpret them in different ways.
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>>92949753
>Gender doesn't mean shit
Yes it does, pretty sure this is implying they see themselves as male or at least as acceptable.
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>>92949788
IIRC, They don't see themselves as male, but they do see themselves as brothers.

That being said, I think that this is all a nice excuse for Abbadon to write about trans characters without actually writing about trans characters.
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>>92949788
A couple of them do insist on the female part, but they don't mention angels being males, or that it would be acceptable to be male.
Also this >>92949883
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>>92949883
>without actually writing about trans characters.
Why would you? That's basically like smearing yourself in meat fat and then releasing the raptors
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>>92949883
>>92949935
That panel presents female as a negative, you're doing mental gymnastics on Abaddons behalf.

All I'm saying is he wrote a hamfisted MAN GOOD GIRL BAD scene then proceeds to preach about how he doesn't like those things.
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>>92949289
Excuse for what? That's how I see the character, (s)he has emphasized that the first human or first human in throne I forget which was a woman even though that wasn't important at all at the time and was stated multiple times to be too human. I might be overthinking it but since the femaleness is a result of that human fondness the choice of female rather than male has to come from something, so it either means it's because of that first human or because black flame is feminine the same way white flame is masculine.
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>>92949955
Exactly. Which is why he's instead writing about non-euclidian sentient nuclear explosions who have trouble not-being human.

>>92949979
because the english language has no singular gender-neutral pronouns.
You're completely ignoring the context to look at it in the worst possible light to prove a point. Stop that.
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>>92950012
see >>92949883
Yes, White chain's main conflict is that she wants to be human, not (necesarily) that she wants to be female.
But, I have the sneaking suspicion that Abbadon wrote her in because he wanted a character to want to be female, and used the angel-human dynamic as a way to frame that instead of the other way around.
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>>92948482
possibly important here as well.
The court doesnt want the imp, they want the ebon.
Ciocie Cioelle dieing would mean, bringing back Yabalchoath.


>>92942646
Initial reaction was 100%, Cio is in lesbians with Alison. Boyfriend is just competition, not Cio hates men.
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>>92947444
Metatron is also a little bit pinned down
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>>92950319
And Himself isn't?
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>>92950333
The cage can move, right ?
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>>92949715
Might just be a translation convention for fellow loved angel

Or because Angels are of the White flame of UN, they are literally built of the universe concept of maleness, which is unrelated to the human form of maleness.

Angels don't reproduce and don't have genitalia so they only refer themselves as "male" due to UN
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>>92950012
Yeah Micheal's more "I'm explaining why humanity is shit and we need to wipe the slate and start over, and you're caring about the first human gender. You might as well care about the first wasp's antenna length"

Not male good, female bad, but "this is a human thing, we're sick of human bullshit, just stop it already"
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>>92950333
Himself is bound pretty much because he likes it last time I checked.
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>>92950381
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>>92950901
Noice.
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>>92931166
I just noticed that the flame in the 2nd panel is partially pink.
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>>92948611
Wait, why does a half demon, half extra-asshole elf want to be a good guy in the first place, let alone as a way to impress a being that's basically evil incarnate?
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>>92950901


This is kinda awesome....
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>>92953034
He doesn't want to be a good guy, he wants to be a hero. In DnD, evil assholes can be heroes too, it's just that the bad guys call them heroes and the good guys call them villains, instead of the other way around.

As for why he wants to impress the marilith, idk. They're kinda hot if you're into that, I guess?
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>>92953263
But didn't he become a hero through chaotic good like you said? Isn't chaotic good a more traditionally heroic alignment?
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>>92939008
>>>92935090
>>she has a little teapot bolo for her cape

THE PORCELAIN CONSPIRACY WIDENS.

Goddamn, that 'Battle of the Teapots' spread was awesome.
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>>92953338
It is, which is why he should have known that the deal was too good to be true and that it was gonna come back to bite him.
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>>92948759
>Allison is strong, and can clearly hit an Ebon's clock off, but she is no where strong enough to kill the entire Court and every devil in White Eyed Woman, many of these creatures are Ebon Devils, one of which would be more than enough to match Allison at her current, Incubus infused level, but the entire court would tear her to pieces. Not to mention it would risk pissing Himself off


Uh huh. Uh huh.

Yeah, no.

In your autistic, uninformed opinion, maybe.

But Allison used some half-ass summoning thing to clock an Ebon...AFTER he'd landed some weird flesh-warping 'turn off any mischief' spell on her.

Without speaking, or using her hands, she smashed one of the most powerful Ebons in the Court with ONE MOVE.

If Allison stands up from that desk and starts walking out, hurling those pure-light reality-ripping 'blades of want' at everything she see's that offends her, with her full un-fettered might, what exactly are the 'ultra-badass' Ebon's gonna do?

I will point out that after her little headbutt, she asked to see somebody in charge and was promptly and without issue taken straight to Himself and left right the fuck alone.

If she wants to turn this hole into a crater, I suspect there is exactly nothing the Devils can do to stop her, except try and mind-fuck and weasel.

You will notice that Himself is being quite completely helpful here.

That's Him trying to get the cosmic death machine out of his face with some shreds of his empire intact.
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>>92947444
Zoss stilled whupped his ass the same
You underestimate how baller Zoss was
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>>92954503
I want to learn more about just how Zoss became such a badass.
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>>92954977
"The story of zoss is the story of kill six billion demons"
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>>92954316
You really overestimate Allison at the moment. Incubus is giving her confidence, but she aint accessing the full power of the key. If she goes out and tries to start shit, she may injure, possibly kill one Ebon, but there are many more waiting in the wing. And you notice that the only reason she used the headbutt is because she couldn't break the spell on her hands and mouth, until she knocked eyeguy over the head with a goddess. As for what happened afterwards, we don't know the aftermath, so theres no point in bringing that question up.

If she wanted to turn the hole into a crater, she would get torn to pieces, because she may have a lot of power, but she has no real control over it, is still quick to panic and freak out, and is still very much human, and not some almighty god warrior. She would die.

Himself is being helpful because he sees an opportunity here, not cause he's afraid of her, or intimidated, he simply knows what Allison is, and by lending her a hand he can make out on top. Notice that despite knowing what Allison is and what she is capable of, he outright declared if they fail their break in he will let the court kill Cio, no hesitation, no challenging her, he says with clear intention that she WILL die if they fail.

Right now Alliosn isn't a cosmic death machine, she's a sorority girl hopped up on a night of drinking with the power of a god on her head, she talks a big game but her actual ability aint that close.
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>>92955170
Yeah, we don't know how much Incubus had a hand in Allison's sudden aptitude, and for now Allison has been shown to have a sort of off and on ability to use her powers depending upon the situation and mood

When she gets pissed she apparently can now blow the shit out of people, but there's a big leap between occasionally summoning the power of gods in moments of distress, and wielding it properly

Picture a small child with the ability to drop a nuke on people if it gets upset enough
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>>92954977
Dark science
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>>92955579
Mn, and we see in this page that she can still get freaked out, and even with Incubus' help she can't concentrate her power when she's emotionally freaked
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If the demiurges are 1 goku
and juggernaut is 0.75 gokus

how many gokus is Himself?
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>>92955966
Ω*[√(-1)] gokus
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>>92956131
thanks abbadon
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Could Zoss mask Himself?
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>>92956278
Probably, I mean, it would hide that sick ass beard of his, but I think he could find a nice mask to wear.
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>>92956463
Oh you.
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>>92949979
Anon, you know the gods take male and female forms, but are not male or female themselves, right? They only take on those aspects.

Same dealio.
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>>92955170
>You really overestimate Allison at the moment.


Yeah, and since your name isn't abaddon, you're talking out your ass.

Your opinion is just that: your opinion. It's also pretty stupid. Allison has already bitch-slapped a demiurge, well before she ever took whats his names help.

If himself was such a badass, he'd have the big red guy fucking with him. Himself is a clownshow in a hole compared to those guys, which is why Allison is coming to him for some cannon fodder, off the record.

Just because he has some style (and he is super-cool) doesn't mean he rates against the real heavy hitters.
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>>92957357
Sorta. They are male or female, but that has nothing to do with their current physical form or their gender identity or their ability to reproduce.
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>>92957629
>Q: Since the gods (or their corpses at least) have clear humanoid forms and fairly often also clear genders, why do many angels think that taking gender identity is an ungodly thing? As a side question, why did the gods pick humanoid form?
>A: It’s usually taught the other way around actually - servants and humans take humanoid forms because the gods took them. However, many (or even most) gods did not often take humanoid form, so there are many esoteric theories as to why the gods chose to die in their particular state.

>Q: Are you still following through with that rule of Un gods being male and Ys gods being female? As Ogam was mentioned as having a White aspect, which implies he has a Black aspect as well. Then there were also the stories of Yisun and Hansa transforming into women to have some "fun". Would it be presumptuous to assume that transforming into a woman would transform White gods like Hansa or Ogam into Black gods?
>A: The Gods were not particularly concerned with gender, being formed of the supreme ego of YISUN, who is neither male nor female but is also male or female. In truth no God is really male or female at all, but there were male and female gods, if you get what I’m saying. Ogam is a white god and male, certainly, and would certainly start a ruckus if he had to walk about in woman’s shape, but Ogam does not exist.
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>>92957788
>>92957629
I'm quoting this to emphasize what I say. They have no gender identity; it is merely their physical form. They are neither really male or female, but they take on masculine and feminine aspects. Think Yin and Yang, anon. Women are Yin, men are Yang.
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>>92957863
I actually WAS thinking yin and yang, which is why the thought that the gods didn't have genders is stupid. Yin is female and Yang is male, even though neither of them have aspects that define them as male or female; except that's what they are.

All the black daughters of YIS are female, even if there is nothing female about them. All the white sons of Un are male, even if there is nothing male about them. But, these are not genders in a traditional sense, nor are they genders isn a human sense.
It's just like YISUN isn't really smiling when he 'smiles in the 4th way.' Or hands being a god with 3 arms, even if he is in a form with a different arrangement of limbs.
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>>92958227
>which is why the thought that the gods didn't have genders is stupid
>But, these are not genders in a traditional sense, nor are they genders isn a human sense.
In the first place, you've got it wrong. You go on about them not being genders in the traditional human sense, and treat them as some sort of "special" gender, but Abaddon says it directly. They're NOT of any gender at all.

They only REPRESENT aspects. The goddess of love is represented by a woman cleaved in twain, but that does not mean only women can feel love. There's a god of silence, I believe, but that doesn't mean women can't be silent. Traits have always been associated with masculinity or femininity; the gods embody this. This does not mean these traits are exclusive for men or women.
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>>92948603
Yes. Don't think it was a coincidence Himself capitulated after being called a Motherfucker by someone who has the power of God.
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>>92958573
a god's gender has nothing to do with masculinity or femininity. It's like a particle's spin, or a quark's colour.
A particle doesn't necessarily move in a rotational manner, but they all have spin. A quark does not refract light of a certain wavelength, yet all have a colour. A god can have all or any or no masculine or feminine traits, yet each has a gender.
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Do you think Himself emphasizes his pronouns when talking? He uses full capitals every time he refers to Himself.
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>>92958664
He didn't capitulate. He just stopped teasing them
Think of it as small-talk before a deal.

Himself knew what they had come here for. He was just jabbing them for funsies until they got down to the nitty gritty.

>>92959004
Yeah he does. When he says "I", "Myself", etc, it's in capital and bolded. So I'd assume he emphasises whenever he refers to himself.
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>>92932386
Ever played Oblivion?
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>>92959237
Kirkbride can suck my muatra
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>>92959664
>when you achieve CHIM but he's still suckin
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>>92959033
agree capitulate was a strong word but "oh plz remember me" is a BULLSHIT boon. "Cio will die if you fail" is also a bullshit request. The Raiding Party would of died ANYWAYS had they failed.

He would have asked for more if Ally didn't show she wasn't a thing to be fucked with.
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>>92959959
"Remember me" sounds like he was requesting to be let out to me. I assume he can break out at any time, but since rules are so important to him, he can't/doesn't.

I do recall Abby saying something about him trying to tempt people into letting him out during a patreon hangout
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>>92959959
>>92960091
Himself asking Ally to remember him is just him saying "remember who helped you when you're Master of Everything and next come knocking on my door."
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What if the real end boss isn't the Demiurges and instead Himself. He could trick Allison into freeing him ala "Remember who helped you" after her journey is over.
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>>92960478
That would imply he wants to be free
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>>92949788
The human form here is cute. CUTE.
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>>92950012
The first human in Throne was Zoss, don't know where it says that the first human made was a woman.
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Something relevant for the earlier discussion.


Q:I'm curious, so please humor me. Would it be actually possible for anyone to kill Himself in universe? If Himself is, at his core, ego personified, and only exists because his ego existed first and allowed him to name himself, would it ever be possible to truly kill him? If he was nothing but his own conscious before hand, then theres no way to reduce him to flame, as his ego will still exist regardless, and I doubt theres anything, even in KSBD, that can kill a beings ego and self.

A:Ego is a very important aspect of power in the KSBD universe, and Himself, being pure ego, isn’t really operating by the same rules as anyone else - He is sovereign from things like death, decay, or time.

There are theories that Himself is not particularly worried about escaping because He is simply waiting in his coffin until someone frees him, which on the cosmic scale of time, is an inevitability.
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One thing to remember about how fights work.

Just because you are stronger than someone doesn't mean you fight them.

Allison proved her point. If the gathered devils could overcome her becomes immaterial afer that. At some point you have to realize the winning side won't come out unscathed, and even Devils have a sense of self preservation. A fight isn't something you pick just because you're the stronger party. Violence is something that has to be considered carefully, as the strong can still be crippled by the weak. In many ways, lack of experience can make the weaker more dangerous. Unpredictable. The lack of experience also makes the weak foolish as they think they have nothing to lose, but anyone living has that one last thing they didn't realize they could still miss if it were gone.

Basically I'm saying at some point a fight's not worth picking. Let them see the head honcho if they want to THAT badly.
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>>92962030
It was the page showing Aesma and Koss creating the races, the first human was shown as a woman.
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>>92962030
And adding to this >>92963186 humans existed on Throne before Zoss, there had to be a gap between their creation and the gods' deaths so there was really nowhere else for them to live in the meantime. Zoss was just the first to break back into Throne after the gods had died and the races had spread out to the other universes because I remember Michael saying something about Throne being clean and pure before Zoss and the demiurges showed up.
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>>92961720
>>>92949788
>The human form here is cute. CUTE.


Yes, you can say that again!

Shame about that face....
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>>92959237
I started getting into deep TES lore recently and I was pretty surprised at just how much Abaddon straight up lifted from Kirkbride.

Though I do think K6BD is a better setting for these kinds of concepts than TES is.
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>>92939066
Demons are all rapists because rape is about power and not really sexual usually.
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>>92939008
Cute! Makes me sad that Cio had so much fun earlier in the day shopping and trying on outfits and now she got her ass kicked.
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>>92965013
You got that a little messed up. All rapists are demon, not all demons are rapists.
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>>92965309
There are human rapists.
>inb4 but you said demon not devil
Shut up
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>>92964753
>ITT TES invented hinduism
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>>92965406
I never said it all came from Kirkbride, but a lot of the central concepts, like Royalty and the Wheel, are lifted straight from his writings.
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>>92965613
Also their art styles are pretty similar, especially when you look at Abby's earlier work.
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>>92965406
>He doesn't know that Abby has directly admired to being inspired by TES.

Yes, we know that Kirkbride didn't invent it, but plenty of people were first exposed to it because of him.
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>>92965845
Have we ever actually SEEN a picture of Abbadon?
Do we even know he ISN'T Kirkbride?
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>>92966500
Yes, and no.
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>>92966656
I remain unconvinced they're not aspects of the whole.
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>>92966406
I will never get over Kirkbride himself giving Abby props.
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>>92967225
Wait, that happened?
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>>92967225
A year or so ago Kirkbride linked to K6BD on his tumblr and said it was some good shit.
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>>92967301
>>92967471 was meant for you.
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I think everyone's asleep, so I must
bump
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>>92968624
I need more angels in this comic. If this arc doesn't end with an all out brawl between the devil gang and an angelic SWAT team I'll be pretty disappointed.
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>>92970057
I'm willing to bet that Mammon has a couple Petal Knights on his pay roll.
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