Sonic thread

>>92865441
When was the last time Archie mad any sort of official statement in regards to the Sonic books?

>>92865441
You haven't given up already?

>>92865441
Just go about your business until they actually announce something one way or the other. It doesn't do any good to wait around wondering what if.

>>92865799
>Just go about your business until they actually announce something one way or the other.

If the book is canned Archie will never announce anything. They'll just keep up the "on hiatus" routine for years and years, ala Mega Man. "It's not cancelled, just on hiatus! For 3 years!"

>>92865634
Actually they've started replying to people on twitter in the past week or so saying they're still in talks with SEGA and they'll say more when they can.

Which is a big deal after months of total silence.

>>92865831
In which case, assume it's done and move on with your life instead of worrying for three years.

We ought to have another Ride. Comic's most likely cancelled, so why the fuck not.

>B-but the shitposting!
Fuck em. If people want to shitpost against people actually reading comics on a comics board, then that's their problem.

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Why pull this shit on Sonic's 25th?

Where do I start with this series? I assume I can disregard the first few years?

>>92866770
Issue number #001

>>92866483
Because of the multiple lawsuits.

>>92866770
Okay so.
If you want goofy adventures, go ahead and start at #1, then skip ahead to these next suggestions whenever you get bored of the book because it goes down the drain for a long while.
If you want the start of the modern run, start at 160.
If you want the start of the modern run after it cleans up the continuity to an easy to digest state, start at 171.
If you want to start at the 'beginning' without any comic continuity to deal with at all, start with Sonic/Mega Man Worlds Collide (an event that only uses game material from both series), then Issue 252 (a reboot caused by Worlds Collide).

It's dead, Jim.

>>92866483
That was last year.

>>92865441
RIP
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>>92866949
Nice, thanks! Regarding Worlds Collide, does that require reading the Megaman comics too or is it contained within the Sonic series?

>>92867116
It crosses over between the Sonic and Mega Man comics, but any place or site that has one or the other will have the full event.

>>92867116
Nothing exclusive to the comics (from either series) is ever mentioned in Worlds Collide.

As long as you know the basics of the games you'll be fine.

>>92865441
Sonic, I'm already a demon.

So, let's gather facts:
>Sonic has been a consistent money maker for Archie
>It has decent enough following and can sustain two monthly books

>Constant danger of lawsuits
>Sales have dropped a little
>"Not really Archie"

And something that is rumored is that Sega wanted more license.

And personally, I think closing series before it hits #300 number on 25th anniversary is literally the worst of sucker punches.

>>92868088
>Constant danger of lawsuits
what's up with that?

>>92868641
People think they can sue over their OCs. Don't you think a SEGA catch all would prevent that? If I made a Sonic looking OC, my own Rockman robot master or a Looney Tune or Mickey Mouse derivative/Oswald knockoff and tried to make money shouldn't I expect to get sued instead?

>>92869315
Normally companies make you sign a work for hire contract when you make licensed work that explains that they own all the things you're adding to their license. Archie didn't get those signatures, so those new things added are owned by the person who made them.

>>92869363
It was blatant incompetence that they couldn't keep track of Penders's original contract, but at the exact same time, NO ONE back in the early 90s could have predicted that the Sonic series would still be this huge, that OCs would become such a huge part of the fandom, and that Penders would try to do something so unhinged.

>>92868641
>>92869315
If Archie had done their job and kept up with their writer contracts like any respectable company would, Penders wouldn't have made it far enough it court for there to be a problem. But he did, SEGA had to pay him off, and Penders started convincing other former Archie writers to do the same thing.

>>92869519
Even if it didn't stay big, you sign the goddamn work for hire contracts. It's standard procedure.

>>92869624
They did, they all did, remember?

The issue here was losing Penders's original contract and only having a copy of it (which didn't hold up in a court of law).

>>92866483
this

please archie if nothing else make sure the public can read this

>>92869702
>and only having a copy of it
Because of a fire, if I'm not mistaken.

>>92870016
Precisely, I'm willing to write a lot of that who situation off as really shitty luck for Archie

Was there nothing they could have done to better appease Penders and the other guy who may have wanted to sue?

>>92870273
>Was there nothing they could have done to better appease Penders
The only way you can appease literal and unrelenting autism is to give it everything it wants.
Which they did.
I really can't fault them for the case, but everything afterwards is a different story.

So just because of a destroyed contract they were unable to avoid lawsuits from Penders? The fuck?

Was there even a way to avoid this?

>>92870361
>Was there even a way to avoid this?
Yes, if America had fixed the shitty parts of its legal system years ago.
Most lawyering in these situations is just being a pedantic fuck until you get your way.

>>92870273
>appease Penders

I'm probably never going to be able to stop laughing

>>92865441
Owner of my LCS told me last week that Archie just cancelled all of his Sonic orders through the end of the year. I'm thinking the comic's dead. Archie's not going to bother with the license if it ends up being too much trouble.

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>>92865441
If SEGA actually pulled the license after all, what do you think they'll do next?

Do you think they'll find another publisher right away, or do you think they'll keep Sonic out of comics for a while?

>>92870016
>Because of a fire, if I'm not mistaken.

Some accounts say it was a fire. Others say that a careless intern threw it away.

>>92871028
If Sega pulls the Sonic license from Archie, they're probably not giving it to anyone else ever.

I'm hoping I'm wrong about that, and that they'll hand the reins over to IDW, let the post-reboot continuity continue where Archie left off, and bring Senpai and the rest of the crew along for the ride.

Archie's Jughead is also seemingly in a delay hell too now. Seems more likely the company as a whole is fucked.

Either that or they decided to delay it right after stating Ian was going to write for it, for shits and giggles.

Is there a petition or something we can sign? I know they're a snowball's chance in hell but it'd show there is support behind them.

>>92871595
I think subscriptions/sales of the book are what they'd listen to

In a way, those of us who have been keeping up with the comic through online scans are all partially guilty for why they may not be holding on to it

>>92871245
Or they're putting all their money into their precious Riverdale show.

I hope it crashes and burns.

You guys know 2017 is Sonic's twenty-SIXTH anniversary, right?

>>92867258
Worlds Collide is sort of treated as a semi-sequel to Sonic Genesis (Issues 226-229). But I think those issues are good for new readers to get acquainted with how the comic is even though it's technically non-canon.

>>92869519
Sonic as a brand was hot shit during the early 90s. Even if they didn't think the comic would last this long, there should still have been the idea that they might get rereleased in the future, especially since they had many special issues and spinoffs back then.

>>92871162
The spoiler tag is what I want to happen. Just let everything continue as it was without Archie's shitty editorial and business practices getting in the way.

To not give the license to a new publisher would be stupid considering how successful the comic was all this time all the way up to Sonic Mega Drive last year. Every comic store I've ever been to seems to sell more Sonic issues than regular Archie issues.

Hopefully soon. SEGA's already bad with business, having someone even less competent then they are is just rubbing salt in the wound. More Mania, less comicfaggotry.

>>92874160
> spaz

wait, spazkid, as in the porn artist?

>>92874899
Uh, no. Patrick Spaziante, an artist thats been on the book since day one.

>>92871792
It's been renewed for a second season. Also keep in mind that the CW almost never cancels a WB-produced show in its second or third season (only one-season flops or after it hits the magic syndication number). Combined with its lucrative Netflix deal internationally, Riverdale is looking to be at least four seasons.

>>92866369
I wouldn't be against it at this point with the current state the comic is in. It's been long enough since the last one, and I think it would be fun for all time's sake.

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>>92865941
>Someone has masturbated to this image

>>92865441
How long until somewhere storytimes everything?

>>92874160
>Spaz

Oh hey. What has he been doing all these years?

>>92865889
Months? Try years. I've been asking them for years about the constant delays and cancellations on the graphic novel front.

>>92865831
people like you who assume this forget the fact that mega man was announced to have the FINAL ISSUE before the hiatus and subscribers were given a letter with the last issue indicating the series had ended. it was explicitly said it would be the FINAL issue (before the hiatus). sonic has not gotten this.and the fact that archie is saying they're in talks means they're trying to sort behind the scenes shit and get the issues out already

and before someone goes "b-but that guy from ssmb! his source!" his source is his ASS. if they had lost the license it would literally be illegal for archie to still have sonic comics up for sale on their online store and digital platforms. especially on their app. until they disappear from there, we can't say it's dead or that the license is lost

in addition to that, anons who think it will be better off at IDW, hell no. they're having issues on their own now. they've cut back a shit ton of disney comics, outright cancelling 3 of them (duck avenger, mickey, donald) and relaunching new comics every few months as they usually do for their licensed comics (ppg comes in mind). AND they are pulling the 10000 variants shit archie was doing a while back in a desperate attempt for money. instead of their usual regular and "subscription" variants, each comic has like 4 fucking variants now. i'd say they're not any better off than archie, and as a company that loves to relaunch comics for the sake of a new #1 to boost sales, i don't think it would do the comic any good.

>>92866770

I would recommend the first 20 to 30 issues if you like puns and silly antics. I think anyone who liked the old Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog cartoon would like it, Scratch and Grounder do get to make an appearance or two.

As for where to start it depends on how much of a Sonic fan-tard you are because there is some fan service pretty far back.

>>92865441
Wasn't there an interview where the boss of archie himself said they wanted to get away from Sonic?

The man is obsessed with pushing Archie and only Archie, and now that Riverdale is hot I'm not surprised he is pushing Sonic under the bridge.

>>92868088
>Sonic has been a consistent money maker for Archie

In the past, yes. ever since the reboot apparently Archie books have been kicking their ass.

>>92871162
Why do people think IDW will be the best place for Sonic? I'm not a follower of their books, but besides TMNT I only heard of books being cancelled. Wasn't a popular Transformers IDW series just been cancelled without resolving its plotpoints?

>>92878712
>and before someone goes "b-but that guy from ssmb! his source!" his source is his ASS.
I agree but...

>if they had lost the license it would literally be illegal for archie to still have sonic comics up for sale on their online store and digital platforms. especially on their app. until they disappear from there, we can't say it's dead or that the license is lost
That is not a reliable way to judge. Plenty of companies have lost licenses and continue to sell the comics they published while they had the license. IDW haven't held the Angel license since 2011 but the After the Fall comics and others they did while they held the license can still be bought from IDW on ComiXology rather than Dark Horse who are the current license holder and IDW have put out physical TPBs of the their Angel stuff in years since the license went to DH too.

>>92872447
>To not give the license to a new publisher would be stupid considering how successful the comic was all this time all the way up to Sonic Mega Drive last year

The problem is while you're right, SEGA Japan literally gives zero shits about presenting Sonic in comicbooks. ever since sonic Universe came out, the japanese side have seen the comic's progress . And considering to this day SEGA of America and SEGA of japan always try to screw eachother because of different ideologies, I could totally bet on them not giving the license to anyone for comicbooks.

Sonic Boom only continues on because its a heavy push by SEGA of America, Japan doesn't even air it over there.

>>92878940
Writer for TAAO wants to end the series on her own term. Not by a higher authority. It will most likely continue with a new writer and title.

>>92878990
Actually, I think it's gonna start (or already has started) airing in Japan as Sonic Toon.

>>92878940
IDW are pretty solid at licensed books is why and their thing is kinda being "the company who does good licensed books".

That Transformers example is 1 of 3 current Transformers books by a writer who IDW keep trying to give a 3rd TF book for various reasons and each time she bleeds sales. Generally sales wise TF is going strong.

IDW do have some books that get cancelled but it usually is just because there's not a market for them. Of their licensed stuff they've done good by Transformers, G.I. Joe, Jem and the Holograms, TMNT, Godzilla, X-Files, Ghostbusters, Back to the Future, My Little Pony and others.

>>92879016
They have been saying that since Sonic Boom has announced. I really doubt they will even try at this point, specially when they actually cancelled the localization of Sonic Boom fire & Ice; Despite showing it as Sonic Toon Fire & Ice in video, it was never release din japan.

I'm not saying that is not possible. But I just think it wouldn't surprise me if SEGA of Japan thinks "Nah, Sonic shouldn't be in a comicbook" since america and Japan have always had different visions of how the hedgehog should be marketed.

>>92879018
>That Transformers example is 1 of 3 current Transformers books by a writer who IDW keep trying to give a 3rd TF book for various reasons and each time she bleeds sales. Generally sales wise TF is going strong.

That doesn't give me much hope either, since it means their writers are not very reliable.

Also I always hear in thread on how particular TF series have been executive meddled to ruin (like All hail Megatron)

I'm 100% open to be wrong, tho. I'm just asking out of curiosity from what I have heard. either way IDW would be better than current-Archie, I just wonder if there's another place where it could also flourish.

>>92879077
All Hail Megatron was years ago at this point (coming up for 10 actually) and a totally different IDW really. IDW had some issues in that they didn't know how to handle TF for a time years ago, but since 2012 they've had a solid handle on it and any mandate issues have been from Hasbro and not IDW editorial.

Also with that 1 specific writer, she was brought in from a recent TF cartoon so they could have an experienced female writer doing their female TF book. But she proved to not be very popular.

Also I mean come on 1 book gets cancelled because of 1 writer? That's gonna happen at any company, especially for a brand that is arguably overreaching slightly at 3 ongoings. They still have 2 TF ongoings going strong and regular one shots and minis.

>>92879077
> Also I always hear in thread on how particular TF series have been executive meddled to ruin

Hasbro likes to stop everything to shove a tie-in events for toys or movies. Not sure how far Sega would want to stick their foot in the door every time a new game comes out.

>>92879153
Okay, then I stand corrected. I'd love to hear other suggestions of companies, but it really seems like IDW'd be the perfect place for Sonic to go.
I now wonder how possibly is really for Ian to be rescued to work on it, tho. I know there are people who don't like it, but I feel he did a good job specially against all the external crap out of his control that caused him problems.

>>92879192
IDW's usual practice for any license that has a comic history behind it is usually to first seek out fan favourite writers and offer them a part.

Before they hit their bad middle patch to TF they first had Simon Furman doing their TF stuff because of his work with Marvel and Dreamwave on the brand.

G.I. Joe they got Larry Hama on from the start and he still does an ongoing for them now.

Plus TMNT they got Kevin Eastman on board as a consultant (but he's not the writer and real credit does belong to Tom Waltz who's been amazing for the book).

So there's a pretty decent chance.

>>92879244
Fuck, then it'd be perfect.

Now it'd all fall on SEGA deciding if its worth it to continue the Sonic comic brand, and honestly given how nuts American or Japan Sega can be sometimes. That's basically a coin toss of luck.

>>92879244
I thought the reason why they hired old fans because they learn from mistakes such as letting Costa write for TF.

>>92879302
Costa was a reasonable mistake I feel. It's hard to know at a pitching stage how a writer is going to work out for you. His G.I. Joe stuff had been met with both acclaim and hugely positive fan reception and they ask who has proven to be a successful and popular writer for them on another Hasbro property to pitch an idea for TF.

It did admittedly work out badly but I can understand how it seemed a good idea until it later became clear Costa just doesn't like and doesn't understand the brand.

>>92871162
>let the post-reboot continuity continue where Archie left off
NEVER going to happen in history. Archie continuity is D-E-A-D.

Even if som other comic company gets the rights to the Sonic license from SEGA, they aren't going to want to deal with autists like Penders or Fullop constantly trying to sue them. It's a Hard Reboot for any new comic series. Heck, SEGA won't stand with more lawsuits and would probably DEMAND whomever they give Sonic to to start over with no connections to the past comic (they are tired of Penders and the others).

And that's IF they give the Sonic comic to someone. After the shit with Penders, they may never want to do an American Comic again. They may see it as a waste of resources and too costly/dangerous.

>>92879905

They can't really sue for post reboot continuty since they only ever use SatAM and AoSTH characters, as those are all Sega owned.

Between Ian's penmanship and Mania it is now clear to me that only America understands what makes Sonic great, and that Japan either hates Sonic or just doesn't "get it".

Once Sonic team finishes Archie off and puts Taxman back on port duty, that'll be it. Sonic will truly die.

>>92865889
I thought someone gave a statement that they're some talks here and there but it's likely over.

>>92880248
They will still try (especially Penders). SEGA doesn't want to deal with that headache. And neither would any one else. They probably don't even have an interest in the Archie comic history.

The Archie continuity is dead.

>>92866483
Look, Archie and Sega. Cancel the comic if you want, but PLEASE let Mega Drive finish first.

Please?

>>92871028
I believe they'll sit out from comics for a while. But not long, especially if someone big puts out a bid.

And considering Sonic's long history of (profitable) comics, I think someone will bid for it.

>>92881796
Sonic wasn't making that much money.

>>92881817
Bullshit.

>>92881823
8000 copies of a $3.99 comic in the direct market is about $16,000 from retailers (they get 50% off cover). Subtract what Diamond gets, then printing, then creative costs, etc. And whatever the Sega license costs.

I don't know how well it sells in digests (they had a few right?), or if it sold well outside Diamond (newsstand) or international licensing, trades, etc.

It's not like Archie was rolling in cash from it, more that it was still profitable. Maybe Sega wanted more for the license, or court costs are too high, or whatever.

>>92881865
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong here, but I think Ian Flynn said the comic was still selling fine digitally.

>>92881895
Without numbers, it's hard to say what "fine" is. Like I said, Archie was likely making a little profit from it. I'm also not a Sonic reader, I just see what Sonic sells, etc.

How long has it been since the last issue?

Archie has been having cashflow problems for awhile now. Digests sales have dropped, which is where they were getting most of their money.

http://comicsworthreading.com/2013/03/08/archie-sales-figures-for-2012/

I think this is the latest article, as Archie stopped publishing the sales in the book once a year as they legally don't have to anymore.

This is before the "relaunch", which Archie wanted to fund via kickstarter, but due to public reaction, they retracted that and did a slower roll-out. They can't even get their comics out on a regular basis, like Sabrina or Afterlife with Archie or their superhero books.

Anyway, I hope you guys get your Sonic comic, I'm not trying to be mean, just realistic.

>>92878712
>if they had lost the license it would literally be illegal for archie to still have sonic comics up for sale on their online store

Archie can continue to sell back stock of their licensed comics after the license has lapsed. They just cannot recollect the issues in new editions or printings.

The finite number of comics they printed while they still held the license are fair game to sell until they're all gone.

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>>92881865
>8000 copies
Don't post if you don't know what you're talking about.

You're quoting the fucking Diamond direct market sales numbers, i.e. a source that only tallies books sold through Diamond Distribution, not subscription or supermarket store shelf, the biggest source of revenue for all (family friendly) Archie comics.

Archie is required by law to publish a blurb in a book once a year detailing the average total amount sold, and consistently it's about 45,000 issues. A small drop from it's previous average of 55,000 issues, but considering the sticker-price rise would still be more profitable than before.

For context, Sonic is consistently in the top 30 - 40 selling comic books if you use real numbers on Diamond lists, and that ignores digital sales and the almost free money Archie earns from reprints. How else do you think a company could survive if it's top selling comic only made 8000 issues a month? How do you think it got to almost 300 issues and countless spinoffs if it sold badly?

How many times does this have to be said

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>>92883870
They are selling things digitally, there is no back stock to that

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>>92865441
I don't want to give up hope since we had two classic storylines ending that we never got, but at the same time I am leaning towards the death of the comic. So I'm hoping for the news that it will continue but I'm not holding my breathe.

>>92888764
>Let me go
Why wouldn't Amy want this?

>>92889081
Amy is saving herself for Sonic, not some hairy monster she doesn't recognize.

How old-school Genesis Sonic did the comic feel like in the end? I'm surprised they managed to nail Genesis-esque redesigns for the Freedom Fighters.

>>92889508

Oh right. I sometimes forget that she's blind as a Rouge.

Anyone have a torrent for all the comics now?

>>92888666
unrelated but something about the way that image is colored and shaded makes it look like a screenshot from Sonic Underground.

>>92889560
Are you proud of what you just did

>>92880599
Mania's developer is Australian.

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>>92877777
>Amy and Sonic shipping

>>92877777
Nice quints. And nice pic.

>>92891431
A better pic is Bunnie Rabbot and Rouge rubbing each others titties.

>>92891328

Not sure what statement you're trying to make there, but it sure isn't in Sonic and Sally's favor.

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>>92891650
Sally > Amy

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>>92891650
This better?

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>>92891328
>>92891773
>>92891840
How do you like your Sally /co/?

Can somebody tell me why only sonic's arm is skin colored when it makes no fucking sense? Just stop this already. At least the cartoon designers had a brain to stop this nonsense

>>92891773
But anon, only Amy is still alive.

>>92892440
Brown is what I'm used to, I like i well enough, but pink is really good too and I almost feel like it makes more sense as a Sonic character since they're clearly not going for a "Disney woodland critter" vibe in the games.

Orange and yellow is garbage tier, I'm glad it was so short lived... and it certainly didn't need explaining.

>>92892544

I don't know, but I think it breaks up the blue design nicely.

It's the same reason why Mario's overalls are blue now, too much of one solid color is bad, and needs something to break it up.

>>92892440
80's hair, blue vest and boots. Was always best look.

>>92866483
Couldn't Hesse just post this online under the guise of fan art or something?

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>>92893037
And get sued? I don't think so.

>>92890342
Extremely late replying to this, but i think /vg/'s Sonic thread has all the issues in their OP pastebins.

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>>92865441

Game.
Set.
Match.

>>92892544
>Can somebody tell me why only sonic's arm is skin colored when it makes no fucking sense?
He's a cartoon Hedgehog anon.

>>92877777
Sonic and Blaze > Sonic and Amy

>>92894838

What kills me is that this man truly and legitimately cannot see how much of a faggot he is and actually believes he's the hero that Sonic fans need, but not the one they deserves.

>>92895288
>What kills me is that this man truly and legitimately cannot see how much of a faggot he is and actually believes he's the hero that Sonic fans need

Ironic considering that Sega was thinking the same of themselves for a good 15 years, and the only thing that changed their mind was that their fans ended up making a better Sonic game than they could.

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>>92895037
I hate to be the bearer of bad news

>>92894838
>>92895288
Let's be real. All of us who read this comic in the 90s and 00s, who would've expected all of this regarding Penders and his OCs to happen in the slightest?

>>92895483
Like the UK comic counts for anything.

If you played Rush and couldn't blatantly see how obvious it was, you're beyond help.

>>92895352

I know you were just looking for an opportunity to make a snide remark about Sega, but I doubt Sega was thinking anything other than "How can we make our next game profitable."

>>92895584
>Rush ending, it's so obvious guys!!
Anon, don't be one of those shippers.

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>>92895483

I still can't believe people legitimately like this hot garbage. I'd place it even lower on the totem pole than Sonic Underground.

>>92879905
>>92880876
As far as I know, Penders has never had any history with IDW. So in that case, what could he possibly do that would put them in trouble? If they started it with an issue #1 and retcon away the Genesis Wave happening, then there's nothing else tying it back to the old continuity. If he decides to go full retard and claim he owns the comic versions of Knuckles and Eggman, he'll just get laughed out of court.

>>92893037
Now? Definitely not. If it ends up never being released and still held onto years into the future where the companies involved have long stopped giving a shit? Maybe.

>>92896220
>As far as I know, Penders has never had any history with IDW. So in that case, what could he possibly do that would put them in trouble?

I've never had any history with DC comics, but they'd still sue my ass off if I started making Batman comics and selling them. Penders thinks most of the Archie comic characters and concepts are his copyrights, and apparently the courts agree with him, so he has every right to sue if someone starts using them.

>>92896317
>I've never had any history with DC comics, but they'd still sue my ass off if I started making Batman comics and selling them
If you're saying IDW would sue Penders over Lara Su Chronicles, they wouldn't. That would be Sega's problem to deal with.

Penders went to court with Archie because they continued using his characters and concepts after he left and were reprinting issues he had written without compensating him. IDW wouldn't be doing that so he would have no case against them. Absolutely none of his craft has shown up in the comic again after they had rebooted.

>>92896317
This. He will find any reason whatsoever to sue whoever gets the Sonic license. (Pretty sure he claims to own the concept of multiple worlds in Sonic) And the fact that he won the first case means the court will side with him.

Penders has done HUGE damage to the Sonic comic brand and made it untouchable. And he will continue to make it stay that way.

The only way things can get better is if someone kills him.

>>92896853
So, who wants to take one for the team, /co/?

>>92896827
He sued Bioware and won.
If someone did a story with Knuckle's family/people, even if they did it anew and created new characters, Penders would still sue them because he would say they are ripping off his ideas because he pretty much owns the concept of Knuckles's people and Echidnas.

And the courts agree with him. And he would win.

Hell, SEGA couldn't even use Echidnas in Sonic Forces.

>>92896883
I'm picturing the page where Tails is about to snipe Robotnik. Only with Penders and Anon.

>>92895529
I never would have seen it coming, maybe a small fight but nothing like this.

>>92897008
But Tails doesn't go through with it, would Anon take the shot?

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>>92896978
So I can't make Red Sonic?

>>92897626
No. Penders owns all Red Sonic OCs. You try and make one and he will sue you on grounds that it is similar to his OC. And the courts will side with him because he has one in the past.

>>92897159
Yes

>>92896978
>Hell, SEGA couldn't even use Echidnas in Sonic Forces.
Are you sure that isn't because they didn't want to mess with having to animate dreadlocks on the characters?

>>92894838
Who'd think a man who couldn't draw for shit but did nothing but Kncukles recolors could do so much damage?

>>92898125
I'm still pissed about this.

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>>92898139

>>92896317
>and apparently the courts agree with him, so he has every right to sue if someone starts using them.
>>92896853
>And the fact that he won the first case means the court will side with him.
They settled it out of court, there was no court ruling made. Basically Archie and Penders came to a private agreement they both felt was better for each of them than gambling the court not ruling in their favour.

>>92896978
>He sued Bioware and won.
He did not. He took to long to properly bring that one forward for various reasons and it was dismissed because it was too long after the fact.

>>92898209
Doesn't the fat autistic fuck know he's never getting published? No one would publish him, he'll never get kickstarted and if he self publishes issue one or it won't sell enough for an issue two. Fucker's delusional.

>>92898139
Technically, they can make another new echidna different enough from any of his OC and Penders wouldn't win it in court, regardless of precedence (doesn't help that they settled out of court, either). As in that instance, Archie's legal team was just pure shit at handling things.

Not that anyone would bother making any new echidna, mind you.

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>>92898537
Doesn't Tikal and the history of the floating isle set presidence in SEGA's favor?

>>92898753
It's kind of hard to say where the Echidna tribe from Sonic Adventure stands. The stuff Penders created predates that but he was also still at Archie when Sonic Adventure was released and to do anything then would've costed his job. I don't know if he would throw a shitfit about them now or not?

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Apparently Archie proposed Metroid comic.

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2017-06-01/archie-comic-metroid-comic-that-never-was/.116898

>>92899012
They could try again, Nintendo is more lenient with their properties nowadays.

>>92899044
Even so, I doubt Archie would want to do that now, what with Mega Man's sales dropping like a rock when not crossed over with Sonic, and the current CEO's obsession with getting rid of anything that is "not Archie".

>>92899044
But do we really want to invoke the monkey's paw for a metroid comic, i mean metroid is a great series and deserves more attention but with the way Archie is handling thing right now ehhhh....

>>92865441

So what's the final page of the comic going to be like?

>>92899012
Old news, they approached Ninty about Mario, Zelda and Star Fox as well at the same time. Ninty shot them all down.

>>92899044
I remember being annoyed about Ninty's big "we've changed our policy about being super intent on in house" because it came like a year after Archie's pitches and I knew with how business usually works Archie wouldn't try again.

>>92895427

I liked Sonic Chronicles. I liked being able to be nice to Amy and have her fall in love with Sonic again, that final convo on the ship near the end was nice.

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>>92899368
>they approached Ninty about Mario, Zelda and Star Fox as well at the same time
And Kirby.

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>>92899362
If it really is dead, then this is the final page.

>>92899714

I can dig it, thanks anon.

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>>92899760
Given how the previous continuity ended, I'll take it.

>>92899714
Sallyfags BTFO

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>>92897626

>>92899368
>Old news, they approached Ninty about Mario, Zelda and Star Fox as well at the same time. Ninty shot them all down.

Are they seriously still gunshy about the fucking Mario movie? I want some god damn Nintendo comics that's not a fucking manga.

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Amy is best girl

>>92899714
>>92899760
>>92899885
>Amy's literally 12, using a magic ring to become Sonic age.

>>92900051
But the Manga is great

>>92900122
Only in the pre-reboot Archie continuity. In the post-reboot continuity, she's 8 in Sonic CD and 12 starting with SA1, just like the games.

>>92900347
Still underaged.

>>92900395
Sonic is also 15 and underage himself.

>>92900434
Nothing kinkier and more embarrassing than two adolescents exploring each other's bodies.

>>92900545
Like Sonic and Sally did multiple times?

>>92882550
>Knuckles is black
This comic knows what's up.

>>92900655
Unlike Sonic he don't chuckle

>>92866369
Not until confirmation that it is cancelled.

>>92900395
>Still underaged.

Actually moreso. She was older in the pre-reboot continuity (around 12 when Sonic CD kinda-sorta happened, and then artificially aged up to around 15 when the SA1 tie-in happened).

>>92900595
Citation needed
Sally saved herself for marriage

>>92892440
As she appeared in SatAM of course. Paired with that voice, she best girl.

>>92901110
I thought she was 8 and aged up to 12.

Gonna miss it really.

For all its ups and downs, it didn't deserve to die like this.

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>>92901126
>Sally saved herself for marriage

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>>92901250
>Sally saved herself for marriage

>>92900175

Unless you're talking about the Mangas that were publsihed in Nintendo Power then I don't want to hear it. .

>>92901353

Why does the post reboot art style look so "almost" angular? Like they were trying to draw gamecube models, polygons and all?

I really do like some of the post reboot designs but something about the lines and the coloring fucks it all up... not to mention the stupid way they draw mouths.

>>92901464
You realize there's been a dozen different artists before AND after the reboot, right?

>>92900042
>Best girl gets the last panel with Sonic
Based Amy

>>92901527
>best girl
>pink sonic
I can't believe someone could actually think this.

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Am I the only one unironically excited for this? I loved Mobius 25 Years Later, and was pissed at the jarring change of tone it took once Flynn took over.

>>92901813

I really, really hope you are.

>>92901609
People have good taste. Shocking, I know.

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>>92901813

>>92901813

I've never understood the appeal to Flynn's run. It's filled with non-stop cringey dialogue, and really anticlimactic story arcs.

Bollers and Gallagher wrote the best stories imo.

>>92901502

Yes I knew that, but I haven't seen much of the post reboot since I have only seen what's been printed in trades, because I fucking hate floppy singles.

The four volumes of post reboot all looks the same to me.

>>92901949
Flynn had the most fun with it and was the most fun while balancing darker elements. The wasn't at all great, but he kept with the spirit of the comic which wasn't great to begin with. The comic deserved him.

>>92901949
The comic was never more faithful to Sonic than when it was written by Flynn. Everyone else did weird, irrelevant, stupid shit.

>>92902502

Merely being "faithful" doesn't necessarily mean it makes the writing any good. Just look at Worlds Unite. That was a mess.

>>92902618
What exactly was "Worlds Unite" faithful to? It just had a bunch of recognizable characters show up, it's not like it captured the spirit of any of them.

>>92897626
>Red Sonic
HA!

>>92902043
It's specifically the inker they usually have on the main book Terry Austin. You'll notice Sonic Universe doesn't have that look to it even when it's artists who also do the main book.

>>92902502

I actually kind of liked that the comics went off the rails. I feel like the comic would be kind of boring if it was super faithful to the games with no creative liberties.

That said, kudos for keeping alive the memory of characters Sega discarded years ago. Also doing fun things with lesser loved characters like Big while all Sega does is memepost about him on Twitter

>>92902774

You just summed up the majority of Flynn's run, dude.

>>92902891
Flynn's run isn't typically as bad as Worlds Unite, "dude."

>>92901464
I blame the inker

>>92901126
Her and Sonic made out a lot.

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>>92892440
Always kinda liked the black and pinkish from olden days.

>>92905086
Damn. I could get behind this design with the more modern art styles.

>>92905654
Nice

>>92905654
Maybe Amy should go into the police force and keep that uniform but then again maybe not.

>>92866483
>Never ever
Why? I just wanted this to finish

>>92902774
>choosing the event that none of the crew really wanted to do and stupid restrictions like only being allowed to use most of the crossover characters for the last half of it

nigga...

>>92896978
>Knuckles
He won the case against Archie.

the Bioware case went nowhere and then he was left without cash to pay a lawyer after the Archie case so he decided not to continue.

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are we still getting a Wolrds Untire omnibus?

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>>92901813
ill never understand why people like Penders. original characters, ill tolerate, but his art style is just ugly

>>92900042
better than >>92897626

>>92892440
Dead. But then I've always been a Robotnik man so eh...

>>92899044
After all the legal bullshit and problems both the Sonic and Mega Man comic went through to get screwed over. Nintendo dodged a bullet there.

>>92908623
That comic could have been so cool, but Xander Payne had to go ruin it due to be the editors' pet character. Still had a cool moments for a Sega/Capcom crossover.

>>92896978
>He sued Bioware and won.
Wrong

>Hell, SEGA couldn't even use Echidnas in Sonic Forces.
You think SEGA give a fuck what penders might do to the degree it would influence a mainline game?
There are no echidnas in sonic forces because it's a plot inconvenience. The only echidna shown in the sonic universe is knuckles, no one else. His entire backstory is that he's the last echidna in the entire world. The only time other echidnas are shown are through flashbacks/spooky wooky ghost stuff.
THAT is the reason you can't be an echidna. It conflicts too much with knuckles' backstory.

>>92879018
>Generally sales wise TF is going strong.
All three TF ongoings are on roughly the same sales level.

>>92908373
Wrong post nigga.

>>92908623
>remember first half that was going decently enough
>Can't recall a single thing after Shadow "dying"
What in the flying fuck went wrong, When World Collide was literally kicking Marvel's and DC's asses in this kind of game.

>>92912134
They got greedy and think Bigger=Better.

>>92912166
So, like Marvel and DC.

>>92911841
Me loving Amy means I'm a shitty cuck that needs to die, I get that, but she's still the best girl and she's great. come at me.

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>>92912204
Not really.

Sally is all about settling down meme, while she also entertains monkey cocks.

Amy just wants Sonic to look cool and see him do cool things.

>>92912243
Huh, well sonic almost always does cool shit. Maybe Sally should settled for the monkey cock.

>>92912204

Dunno about being a cuck, but your taste is irredeemably shit.

>>92913929
>This coming from Boco of all people
Shut up, Boco

>>92914107

Fine, but Amy is still shit.

>>92914223
Your taste is shit, Boco. Now go sit in the corner.

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What's /co/ think about Sonia?

>>92914822

Cute, not really botehred by the voice, the clothes reminds me of Boom Amy, and I like a kinda snobby girl.

...but god damn that whole show was a garbage fire, and nobody knows how to draw her right.

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How do I stop being invested in this? It's clearly over, but I just can't let go. I wanted to see what the future held in store for the egg bosses.

I don't want to read comics anymore. It's a short high and a long, lingering sense of disappointment.

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>>92892750

Damn straight

>>92899671
As nice as it would be to get any of those last thing we need is another penders claiming Nintendo stole their idea for oc toads or oc waddle dees.

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>>92915095
Eggman should only have fans, not some stupid councils of doom. Fight me.

>>92915906
Its hard to manage an empire by yourself

>>92915369
>Implying Nintendo wouldn't disintegrate Penders' ass if he tried to fuck with them

>>92915906
I do take a little issue with the fact that they introduced so many within a short period of time. I think non-robot henchmen should be limited to probably three or four.

>>92865441
It's over. If we ever see a Sonic comic again, it'll be under a new publisher. Pretty sad considering it was the longest running video game comic.

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>>92916240
It's hard to MICROmanage an empire by yourself, and nobody does that ever

The book is fucking deader than Mega Man.

>>92917043
I come from a warning from that very universe my man. Be glad for what you got.

In my universe Flynn was doing 8 ongoings at once because he was the only guy Archie had to put on these books and if you thing post-Reboot Sonic was less than amazing you'd hate what became of the books where I'm from.

>>92917169
I'll gladly take that over the bleak Sonic Comic-less world we have now.

>>92898537
>>92898921
I get the feeling he is only entitled to his OC's and nothing more. so while Sega would have to be careful in making any future echidnas, theres nothing stopping them, as they have precedent on their side, and if the autist sued theyd just have to prove it's not ripping off (lol) his characters.

I mean Sega introduce hedgehogs like its going out of style, so suddenly introducing echidnas isnt something that they could lose a court fight over.

>>92892544
probably something to do with his "cool" personality and general design philosophy.

in other words, he's basically sleeveless.

>>92917043
inb4 pic deleted.

>>92917043
>posting that image

DIDDLY DIDDLY HOWDLY HOWDLY

>>92916716
Sega wasn't in charge of the Penders lawsuit, Archie was.

>>92917204
Not to mention he wasn't the first to introduce a new echidna character. IIRC, the French comic beat him to it, so theoretically that could be cited if Sega needed.

>>92917232
No nips or dick, so it's perfectly fine on a christian image board!

>>92917447
>it's perfectly fine
It's really not.

>>92918030
You say that, but it's still there.

>>92917447

>only bare nips and genitals make something nsfw

oh thank god I can give the greenlight to that poster of the guy jacking off through his underwear to the kids library.

>>92866369
The Ride shall come when Sonic Mania comes around. We did all agree right?

>>92908748
His art back in the day was definitely passable for the occasional story or two, considering what Sonic was. As a kid, I even thought it was good-naturedly amusing a writer would pencil an occasional story.

Now it's genuinely shit, he's lost his ability to draw while stylizing them ever-more and making them uglier with modern coloring/inking/etc.

>>92920865
No, we agreed to do a Ride if the an official announcement of the comics ending comes out.

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Amy's a slut

>>92923355
Amy is pure, delet this

>>92923355
lewd

>>92923355
The land of lewds are in the other dicretion my friend.

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