What the fuck

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What did they mean by this?

No, really. I'm completely baffled.

>>92797296
HAHAHA
America btfo

>>92797354
Americans are so fat they fall asleep from diabetic comas on the line to the bathroom in walmart (where they obviously shart themselves).

You'd think that after a decade of twitter companies would learn not to make jokes when people literally have died

>>92797296
>it's real
https://mobile.twitter.com/SpongeBob/status/869197902853419008

>>92797439
>let's pay homage to soldiers, not to the people they kill, torture, rape
Ah, fuck off.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgU3AYMcfhU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgU3AYMcfhU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgU3AYMcfhU

>>92797485
It would be wrong to joke about those people too though. Only fictional death is funny.

>>92797485
>not to the people they kill, torture, rape

other people who kill, torture and rape?

>>92797354

Veterans getting benefits?

>>92797354
I guess it's a reference to the Rock Bottom scene where hes standing in line to speak to the customer service at the bus station and falls asleep?

What that has to do with Memorial Day I don't know.

So who's getting fired for this?

>>92797485
>lets blame the puppets and not the puppeteers
Wew lad

>>92797620
>let's blame the puppets
Yes, for wanting to be puppets.

>all these people triggered
>Even on here

It was a joke, a shitty one, but still a joke

>>92797296
Is someone sleeping with the fishes?

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>>92797756
>Is someone sleeping with the fishes?

>>92797699
What, should America just not have a military at all? Should it just roll over and let every other country do whatever the fuck they want? The military may be misguided, but it's still an essential part of the country you jackoff.

>>92797756
It would work more towards that if it said "on" long lines.

>>92797469
>mobile

>>92797824
Having a military is one thing and all well and good. Creating a military industrial complex is something else which the USA promotes with its activities.

>>92797824
>USA must be the world police
What a tool.

>>92797750
it's more that it's completely unexpected that it would be in bad taste

like i doubt anyone here cares about it being in bad taste that much, just the fact that the official spongebob account put it out

>>92797699
I agree in the age of an all volunteer army yeah, anyone who signs up for it knows what they're getting into and doesn't really deserve any preferential treatment for their choice of career. But Memorial Day honors all fallen soldiers, like those who were conscripted and sent off to fight in WWII and Vietnam without any choice in the matter.

>>92797296
This can't be a real twitter ac-
>goes to check

It's real, but it's so bland.

>>92797699
Good god you are deluded. Military personnel who willingly serve statistically don't commit war crimes, and the ones who did were the ones conscripted, and in most cases, they who suffered from war crimes very much deserved it - what with it being war and all. But you wouldn't understand that at all would you from behind a computer screen?

>>92797485
The 70s called. They want their anti-war propaganda back.

>>92797859
That is how we call carphones here, old chap. GiffGaff forever

>>92797893
>they who suffered from war crimes very much deserved it
Good god, you are deluded.

>>92797880
>only troops who were conscripted deserve to be honored on Memorial Day
>troops who chose their fate are less of heroes

wew fucking lad

>>92797469
surprised it's not getting ratio'd

>>92797862
>Creating a military industrial complex is something else which the USA promotes with its activities.

this hegemon came to be due to the nature of intertwined economic and political forces of the whole western civilization, the MIC is neither controlled nor designed by America for America, but by every country that benefits from it, and the abstract keys of power that handle them. America cannot pull out, stand aside or disarm even if it wanted to, because not a single thing about the globalized world can exist in a world without such a stabilizing force, and it's sudden vanishing will quite literally bring upon apocalypse.

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>>92797485
>The "People"

>>92797296
...I don't fucking get it.

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>>92797354
Spongebob is clearly referencing the countless dead on both sides that were lost at sea, their restless souls damned into the watery abyss, where they will forever remain nameless and forgotten.

>>92797952
The only soldiers who are heroes are ones who've actually done something heroic. The vast majority of soldiers are just doing a job.

>>92798058
>done something heroic
?

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OHHHHHHHH SPONGEBOOOOOOOOOB

WHYYYYYYY

>>92798058
>the vast majority of soldiers are just doing a job

And they're still doing more for their country then you ever will, and have amounted to more of a hero than you'll ever be. But this is /co/, I forget, where the only thing you consider a hero has a ridiculous name and a comic adaption.

Also the holiday you'd want to be ragging on with that mentality is Veterans Day, Memorial Day is literally just for those who "have actually done something heroic" anyway, so your point is moot

>>92798141
>they're still doing more for their country then you ever will
Shame on me for not invading countries for oil.

>>92798079
Well anyone who's earned a medal for heroism probably does deserve to be called a hero. Anyone else, probably not so much.

Also be aware there are more than two people in this discussion now.

>>92798187
2003 called they want they're clickbait headline back

>>92797296
>>92797354
>>92798042

It's just a really bad pun.

>"Fallen" in the "line" of duty
>"Fallen" asleep in a long "line"

A really bad really weird pun

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>>92798187
>Not wanting to pillage and conquer filthy foreigners for your own benefit.
I mean, I knew you were some kind of faggot son but holy shit.

>>92797296
>tfw the twitter meme wars have gone too far
Wonder if they made an official Shadow account that was this edgy.

>>92798215
So only people who've won medals are heroes in the military? Do you have any historical knowledge of the armed forces, like, at all?

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>>92797296
kek

>>92798215
>people

>>92798187

oh please anon, it's not about oil, it's about gas.

also the erosion and disbanding of secular arab and persian nationalism that could unite and threaten western power.

>>92797863
No one said they have to be the world police, but his comment is implying that anybody in the military at all is a sheep. And that's fucking retarded.

Why is soldier worship so prevalent in America? Genuinely asking.

Unless you get conscripted, you chose to do it. Protecting the country is them doing their job. Do you guys clap for your mailmen, too?

>>92798432
>anybody in the military at all is a sheep
Well, they are.

>>92798288
>Drumpf dancing with Saudi Arabian royalty.gif

>>92798441
>mailmen
I heard they get PTSD too. Go figure.

>>92798441
It's been pretty hard drilled into them that if they aren't into soldier worship then they're ungrateful commie hippie traitors who hate freedom.

>>92797485

weak bait

>>92798490
This entire thread is bait

>>92798441
Mostly because mailmen aren't actively risking their lives to do their job. I understand that a lot of soldiers aren't on active duty, but fighting is kind of their job description.
I'm more surprised other countries don't have more respect for their militaries.

>>92798479
Case in point: >>92798490

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>>92798473
I think "going postal" is one of my favorite unfortunately hilarious American phrases.

>>92798441
>Why is soldier worship so prevalent in America? Genuinely asking.

martial history and culture of action.

glorification, gamification and dramatization of violence.

deep connection between military service and life and rural/central communities as a means of social progression and cultural osmosis.

deep connection between military industry and international affairs with local economy, and immigrant populations.

>>92798500
>I'm more surprised other countries aren't morons
FTFY

>>92797439
BOO HOO HOO MUH VETRANS THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE

>>92798641
NOW STOP NAGGING WE THE GOVT ABOUT MUH PENSIONS

>>92798599
These are the people dying so that you can shitpost on the internet. Sure not all wars are justified, but if it wasn't for people giving their lives in some pivotal battles everything you have would be fucking gone.
Are you an edgy anarchist or some shit to not appreciate the sacrifices that went into your life?

>>92798500

non-western ones that haven't been washed over by radical neoliberalism still do, like China, Korea, Japan(famous for painting their military in fruitless but noble struggles)and India in Asia, south american ones like Chile, Brazil and Colombia, African ones like South Africa, Rwanda, Ethiopia and Zimbawe. And of course Russia.

really, the west's distate for it's own military is rather uncommon world-wide.

>>92798599

you go tell Ukraine they're morons for trying to regain their eastern border.

>/co/ is a collection of liberal contrarians
>other stories developing now: water is wet

>>92798682
>war is good
t. someone who never was in a war

>>92797296
Lol, I bet people seeing this can't take a joke

>>92798500
It's partly because there's less propaganda in most western countries about how soldiers fight for the people. Probably because it's often not as necessary as the military expanditures and recruitement needs are lower.

>>92798682
>>92798693
>falling for bait this obvious
Let it go

>>92798719

Of course war isn't good, that's why it's good when you WIN them. Because they end.

>>92798450
Using the completely nonsensical 'Drumpf'
insult is far more of a sheepish thing to do, desu.

>>92798719
You realize that not everyone in the military wants war right?

>>92798693
>only shit countries love the military
Interesting.

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There really should be a memorial day for those who died on the axis side

>>92798766

didn't know Germany was at it again

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>>92798748
>>92798753
>>92798756
>backpedaling

>>92798767
https://twitter.com/Marvel/status/869221834696384513

>>92798548
Cheers

>>92798693
>African ones like South Africa
Haha you haven't got a clue. We don't bash our military, but there's nothing close to the martial glorification like America.

>>92798682
Well there's that too, the idea that America and everything about your way of life is under constant threat of complete annihilation if you don't support the military-industrial complex.

I'm sure that has some influence on people.

>why don't people feel respect for non-democratic institutions?

>>92798795
>backpedaling
That was my first post in this thread, so I don't know what you're talking about. Also, it was just a general observation. There's no need to get so upset that you were called out for being wrong.

>>92798795
>not everyone in the military loves war
>backpedaling

If it wasn't obvious you were a troll before it is now

>>92798828
Too late to surrender, son. Your war was lost before it even started.

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>When you wanna respect the fallen but end up accidentally making it a joke.

>>92798767
Well, we have lots of war memorials all around the country, in honor of those who died in the wars.
At my great-aunts place they have one of these where all the men from the village who died in the first and second world war are written.

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Memorial Day has become totally meaningless as everyone who fought for a righteous war in America is long since dead, Vietnam veterans are the closest thing left because they were forcibly drafted, but their entire war was a sham, like every war that has come since.

The only veterans still around now are literal retards, or people who signed up only for economic advantages, neither of who deserve respect.

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>>92798846
>peaceniks in the military

If I were a cartoon I'd gloat about how my people are incapable of dying too desu

>>92798879
At least they're literal retards who are doing something besides shitposting on a board dedicated to childrens' media.

>>92798879
Didn't pic related end up joining a gang of drug trafficking bikers?

>>92798879
>but their entire war was a sham, like every war that has come since.

the Grenada, Panama, Somalia and Kosovo deployments were pretty justified AND humanitarian.

>>92798912
>dying for some asshole to get richer is preferable to a cozy life of NEETing

>>92798892
I think you may actually be retarded.

>>92798912
>doing something
Yeah, getting gas for Murrikan corporations.

>>92798936
Sure, sure.

>>92798912
People in the military shitpost on 4chan anon.
I remember that guy who was regularly posting from Iraq on /int/.

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>>92798944
Works every time.

>>92798952
Really? Then I should join the armed forces!

>>92798479
>who hate freedom.
you faggots can't even elect a president by yourselves
you got no freedom

>>92798987
Nah, you'd have to pass basic training which is more involved than complaining about how much you hate that Samurai Jack got a girlfriend before you.

>>92798993
I'm confused, where are you assuming I'm from?

>>92798912
Inspector Redwood was in the military and all he really did was spend all day circlejerking in Homestuck General.

>>92799010
>Samurai Jack fan
Man, they let anyone in the military nowadays!

>>92798936
I don't know about Grenada and Panama, but Somalia is a fucking african shithole where not white man should go. Niggers should be left to themselves, that's more humanitarian than everything else.
And Kosovo was actually provoked. Milosevic might be an asshole, but the war wasn't really all his own doing. It was another needless war.
Fun fact: The greens in my country - the same kind of people who do everything they can to import sandniggers, push gender bullshit and other liberal/sjw stuff - voted for the bombings because they didn't want another Auschwitz. Fuck everyone.

>>92799044
When did they start letting darkies in the military?

>>92799025
USA I think. Since they don't actually elect their President.

>>92799058
>Cletus' history lesson

>>92799071
They ran out of honkies.

>>92799057
I refuse to believe that anyone's reading comprehension could be this poor, so I'm going to assume you're just fucking with me now.

>>92798970
>People in the military shitpost on 4chan
That's pretty obvious from the soldiers itt getting triggered they're not being hero worshipped for signing up to die for multinational corporations' profits.

>>92799134
I'm pretty sure no one here is getting triggered. It's just retards trying to troll other retards, like every other thread.

>>92799098
>you're just fucking with me now
Hey, don't ask don't tell!

>>92799078
But I was referring to Americans as "them" in the post he was replying to.
Also my country doesn't directly elect a president either but it's top 10 on the democracy index.

>>92798500
I don't give a fuck if some douchebag flunky buys the farm protecting American business interests in Iraq because he was too stoned in high school to make into college. I knew the biggest meathead you could possibly imagine join the military, get off with a dishonorable discharge for being a fuckhead, and still parades around in military uniform and is treated like a hero every memorial day. A real big hero, that guy. I am not saying some soldiers aren't heroic, just that most aren't. And most of them aren't risking their lives any more than a construction worker, and we don't celebrate them.
Military worship/ Memorial day only serves to perpetuate the quasi-spiritualization of the nation in a process of nationalism, and is only readily accepted by those with no gag reflex who just swallow the rhetoric.

>>92799058
>Fun fact: The greens in my country - the same kind of people who do everything they can to import sandniggers, push gender bullshit and other liberal/sjw stuff - voted for the bombings because they didn't want another Auschwitz.
I'm not seeing the contradiction here.

>>92799239
Are American veterans are allowed to go around if full uniform all year? Pretty sure it's illegal in many countries if you're not currently serving or attending a military celebration.

>>92799243
The party evolved from the peace movement in the 80s. Them sanctioning bombings is like the pope endorsing sex in different positions without the goal of procreation.
Also, comparing kebab removal to jew removal is pretty... questionable.

>>92797439
>thinking this isn't a cheap way to get publicity

>>92799058
>Slav
How does it feel to be subhuman?

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It seems everyone nowadays has a chip on their shoulder that they don't even try to conceal, all over an issue that hey do not understand. it seems to be all governed by feeling, rather than by thought. Mantras and mindsets are born without a pedigree: everyone has such a strong opinion based on little but the vague "isms" and what depictions they've been shown. Everyone's wearing some sort of tinted glasses, and no one cars what the world looks like without them because it feels so much more fulfilling to look at things with far more vitriol than they ever warranted.

I have many friends in the armed forces, and we all agree that they don't deserve either the shit or the praise they get from pink-haired college liberals and drunken rednecks respectively. Yes, there are many more in-betweens, but it seems that, at least in this thread, there are only the major two, and you know who you are.

Skipping straight to the bottom line, the very purpose of a soldier or a military is to provide the populace with a force that can repel force from other peoples: they are those who can and will fight so that the population as whole will not be involved in conflict. A soldier is a wall between his people and the other guy, and it's as simple as that.

Now, you have two shades of glasses most people tend to look at it with: rose tint, and shit tint. You've likely seen both. Rose sees everyone in the uniform as a great hero. They salute them and greet them like royalty. They've romanticized what has just been defined: a man who is basically a shield. It can certainly be noble, but remember that 11b is not the only MOS. In other words, the man you're saluting may have just been a cook or a pencil pusher. He's not the hero you paint him to be, and he doesn't want you seeing it that way. One of the friends I mentioned is s CBRN, basically the guy who takes inventory of the gas masks and what have you. he never fought, yet rednecks who see him in his dress blues salute him.

1/2

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>>92799393

>>92799239
>Being so triggered about someone you don't like being respected that you hate the entire military for it.
Holy shit, it's like the high school nerd jealous of the Jock's popularity thing but as an adult. The fact that people like you actually exist make me feel better about how pathetic my life is.

>>92798052
SQUIDWARD IS BORN, MADE TO WAVE THE FLAG

>>92799440
>how pathetic my life is
It shows, yeah.

>>92799351
Plenty of pseudo-pacifists have advocated for what they consider just wars, notably for the purpose of stopping a war, like in this case. You can argue whether that's hypocritical or just short-sighted but it wasn't exactly an invasion war by any means.

Political beliefs aren't necessarily dogmas either.

>Also, comparing kebab removal to jew removal is pretty... questionable.
Not from a human right's perspective.

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>>92797893
>they who suffered from war crimes definitely deserved it
Innocent civilians don't deserve to be raped, mutilated and humiliated.
Americans aren't the only ones guilty of this at all, but it shouldn't be okay for anyone to do those sorts of things, ever.

>>92799350
Yes, but no one wanted to call out the 'war hero', who never actually saw combat. I think he eventually got a slap on the wrist from some administrative authority, but he finds new ways of touting his flawless military service and still is honored in Memorial Day services. I know it's anecdotal, but it is demonstrative of the wider American circle jerk of veterans, regardless of what they do in the military.
You see homeless people pretending to have served, and old fucks just sitting on a bench collecting handouts because they served during some war, regardless of whether they actually need the money. No one questions it because it is associated with the holy military.

>>92798879
>or people who signed up only for economic advantages, neither of who deserve respect.
wew lad better hide ur edge from your parents

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>>92798879

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>>92797485
>Paying homage to mass-murdering savages.
The 70's called, they want their Social Justice peacenik fuckwads back!

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>>92799435
nah son, it's fresh. were it pasta, I would've corrected the typos.

>>92799393
And even if you did fight, it's nothing to be proud of. is it noble that you went out to shield your people? Yes. Is that something to celebrate about? No. I don;t think I need to convince anyone here that war is indeed hell, and those who actually have fought don't see their victory or defeat as something worthy of barbecues, apple pie, and John Denver. it deserves nothing more than silence. it does not need to be talked about let alone sung about and danced about. Those who talk do not know, and those who know do not talk.

Now, as for the other shade, I don't believe we need much more than a look at the average college campus to see. Counteracting those who romanticize the human shield are those who do not see why soldiers were made, but what soldiers have at times done, and as a result, see them as nothing more as a creation of avarice.

It's well known that on the battlefield, atrocities happen. men without a sense of integrity or honor will do horrible things: rape, loot, burn, etc. There has not been a single military who has not had a soldier do these things. For every honorable man, there is one who is not honorable, and it becomes apparent when he finds himself in an environment that masks misdeeds behind chaos.

but then, when these things come to light, you get those who are quite eager to be exaggeratedly indignant about something. These are they who say all soldiers are rapists and that was what they were made for. militarizes were not made to protect, but to destroy, and in many historical cases, this is correct. However, when you blanket modern commonwealth infantry, or the 75th ranger regiment with the same quilt you're using to cover Genghis Khan, we have a problem. There's also the corporate element: those evil corporations who make my clothes and my Ipod are only around because these pawns willing walk to their beck and call! Everyone needs an ax to grind

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>>92797354
America has a weird way of showing it's respect for it's history

>>92798879
>WHY DID SHE LOSE?

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>>92799728
>tfw you can have meaningful conversations with people who are different from you because you aren't an asshole who treats people with disdain if they don't have the same values and life experience as you
Feels pretty good.

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>>92799919
>DEW-S-A! DEW-S-A! DEW-S-A!

>>92799981
I had some sincerely say "we lost Vietnam because we had a weak president who made our people week. Of course you have to kill civilians en masse in an asymmetric war. We would have won if the hippies hadn't stopped them", without realizing that no common man wanted a war in Vietnam, the US was bombing villages on behalf of the south before the war broke out, and that the US State achieved its primary imperialist objectives in the Vietnam war before pulling out.

>>92799393
I travelled to the US a few years ago when the "war on terror" was in full swing and had a layover at a US airport. This soldier who was clearly on his way to or from deployment (he had his fatigues on) came into the waiting room I was in and this random woman just went up to him and started saying loudly so the whole room could hear how she wanted to "thank him for everything he did for the country blah, blah" and other people in the waiting room started clapping. It was fucking surreal, even moreso for the soldier who just looked like he wanted to be left the fuck alone.

>>92799393
>Skipping straight to the bottom line, the very purpose of a soldier or a military is to provide the populace with a force that can repel force from other peoples:
See that's your premise and already there's something wrong with it. The pink-haired pacifists often disagree that this is the main, currrent role of the military. The intent of the first military ever is sort of irrelevant to the variety of roles they can be used in these days.

>>92799728
This guy does realize you can get loans to go to college and you don't have to be rich, right?

>>92800119
Our old friend pedobear was ruined for this garbage.

>>92800119
The thing is, it's litterally just three different Mt. Dews poured into the same bottle.

>>92800174
>its primary imperialist objectives
Please, for someone who's not very familiar with Cold War or American history, could you expand on that?

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>>92797485

My dad served and he has broken his body on the line of duty saving soldiers from the front lines in Iraq from 2003-2004, then 2005-2006. He has never once shot a gun in his line of duty, nor has he tortured or "raped". He saved people's lives. Now due to the strain it put on his body he had to have hip replacement, medically retire, and his back hurts still to this day.

Let people like my dad have this one fucking day. Jesus fucking christ.

>>92798441
>you choose to do it

Well yeah, that's the whole point

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>>92799906
Basically, while the other side refuses to acknowledge solemniy, the other refuses to acknowledge humanity. The guy in ACU's is not some kid working towards an engineering degree driving Trucks in a reserve yard, but an inhuman dreg manufactured in a shop made to murder, rape, kill, and hurt precious feelings. People aren't people anymore. They're insects, they're the subhuman representation of an ideology that does not align with your own, and for that they must be spat upon and ousted, They see the world from a bizarre, John Lennon point of view where the bad guys are monocle wearing villains with curly mustaches who know they're bad and are just bad for the sake of bad. Imperialists! Capitalists! Raah rahh raaah!

>tl:dr; people should stop looking at things through some contrived pre-conceived mentality and just see things the way they are. No barbecues, no picket signs. Just, "he's there to fight so I don't." and that it. period.

>>92800174
>the soldier who just looked like he wanted to be left the fuck alone.

fucking, THIS

>>92800326
You do have a point, and I indeed misstepped. if anything, all I want to say is that people need to adopt "It is what it is", and that's it.

>>92800282
I guess virtue signaling didn't wait for SJWs and Twitter to exist.

>>92799239
>know one guys who's a shithead
>"I'm not saying they're all unheroic, just most"

Seems a bit... presumptuous.

>>92797485
>Every soldier is a rapist murder!
How do you like that puberty?

>>92800531
Indeed it didn't.

Trying to make yourself look good and pious is an attitude that respects no ideology, race, country, religion, etc. There will always be those who pray in the street corners to get the praise of men.

>>92800490
That sucks man. I work in a doctors office, has the government try to weasel out on paying for any of it?

>>92797485
Hi, Jane Fonda!

>>92800501
>People aren't people anymore. They're insects, they're the subhuman representation of an ideology that does not align with your own, and for that they must be spat upon and ousted, They see the world from a bizarre, John Lennon point of view where the bad guys are monocle wearing villains with curly mustaches who know they're bad and are just bad for the sake of bad.
Isn't it how some soldiers see their ennemies too? Isn't that the whole argument? That war dehumanizes and alienates good people?

And yeah we're in the "fuck nuance, I can only express myself in hyperbolic comparisons" era but that's really not unique to this specific topic.

>>92798251
>Went in for the oil and sweet, sweet defence contracts
>Ended up creating an Iranian puppet state
>Thousands of servicemen dead and maimed
>Decade of hardwork and spending stolen by screaming niggers on Toyotas

USA is a cuck.

>>92800604

He medically retired a few years after the surgery, and believe me, him and my mom milked that disability payment upon retirement for all it was worth.

>>92800174
>I had some sincerely say "we lost Vietnam because we had a weak president who made our people week. Of course you have to kill civilians en masse in an asymmetric war. We would have won if the hippies hadn't stopped them"

there's no way to say this kindly but it's actually true.

you know the US dropped more tons of bombs on Vietnam than it did over Japan and Germany both back in WW2, to no effect, because the strategy the US was using was completely fucking retarded and assumed the vietnamese were building their own rifles and ammo, that they had supply depots and command centers, that they were an actual organized, centralized enemy.

the US fought tooth and nail, lost lots of kids trying to take over hills in bum-fuck nowhere just to leave them the next day, the US was holding back on actually taking on the NVA because it didn't want to provoke the Soviets and China(despite China itself invading Vietnam 5 years later), the US was not doing a fucking thing to make the South Vietnam government worthy of confidence for the population, and they dumped them when they actually had a legit casus belli they could let loose on by 75, the US was focused on testing retarded ideas and doing make believe realpolitik instead of actually taking strategical objectives, cutting the flow of fighters and weapons and hole down, contain and secure the communist uprising.

you know who lost the war? Kissinger, McNamara and all those idiotic Pentagon fucks who thought the enemy would eventually run out of Asians to throw at them.

>>92797836
Do these people actually say these things? I always assume it's shooped, but who the fuck knows.

>>92800875
Good, I've seen them try to fuck over so many people it's not even funny. With VA benefits and all that it's a completely different thing than any other coverage and it fucking blows.

>>92800752
>Isn't it how some soldiers see their ennemies too? Isn't that the whole argument? That war dehumanizes and alienates good people?

Soldiers tend to think of their enemies far more humanely than the people behind them do, because they experience a contest to outsmart and outfight eachother constantly and that breeds at least a little respect. Only ideology can dehumanize to the point of savagery like that.

let's remember the frontline soviet units reached Berlin and honorably let the population alone... then they were pulled out and the reservists came to occupy the city, and horror ensued.

>>92800449
The solidification of American companies with the US military, the development and field testing of military herbicide, and the establishment of westernized economic and military infrastructure in southern Vietnam, which ultimately led to the United States' positive relationship with Vietnam today.

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>>92800752
>And yeah we're in the "fuck nuance, I can only express myself in hyperbolic comparisons" era but that's really not unique to this specific topic.


You're 100 percent correct on that and more. it's just that topic that we're talking about today

>Isn't it how some soldiers see their enemies too? Isn't that the whole argument? That war dehumanizes and alienates good people?

Indeed it is unfortunately. There's a reason the motto at Ranger school is "BEAT 'EM, BLEED 'EM, KILL 'EM" and not "Hug 'em! Kiss 'em! Love 'em!." I forgot who said it, but you can't let yourself understand your enemy lest you grow to love him. You can't repel a hostile force while trying to sympathize with them, nor can you be the hostile force if you see your victims as defending their homeland and not just roadblocks under you Panzerkanmpwagen IV.

As for pink-haired SJW's doing it, the situation is a bit more concerning: they haven't had some DI yelling it at them. They instill it into themselves. Not trying to say either is good, but at least BEAT 'EM, BLEED 'EM, KILL 'EM was made to keep someone else from knocking down our door with the same mentality

>>92801170
But plenty of soldiers are in it for ideological reasons, especially in more "primitive" nations, and while I agree that familiarity with the enemy here breeds at least some amount of respect, it's certainly not always the case as shown by how inhumanely soldiers can treat war prisonners in contexts where there's little oversight.

>let's remember the frontline soviet units reached Berlin and honorably let the population alone... then they were pulled out and the reservists came to occupy the city, and horror ensued.
And there are also examples of frontline soldiers performing horrors.

>>92801178
Thanks.

>>92800490
Memorial day is for the dead. He's not dead so he gets veterans day.

>>92797469

Archive

http://archive.is/AZXIU

>>92797836
I never would have thought he would have acquired his house through Jihad.

>>92801180
It's relative how concerning it is. When soldiers get de-humanized they kill. That's their job and you make a good point why that part of their job requires them to take that stance.
When SJWs do it all they do is bitch on twitter and offend people's feelings. Sure their self-righteousness and verbal violence shows they're probably fucked in the head, but they'll probably never have any power to do anything of note with that.

>>92801587

the difference between an angry protester and a soldier is someone giving them guns and convicing them there is no other way.

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>>92801587
>When SJWs do it all they do is bitch on twitter and offend people's feelings. Sure their self-righteousness and verbal violence shows they're probably fucked in the head, but they'll probably never have any power to do anything of note with that.

I sure as hell hope.
Trust me, I'm not too worried about a bunch of low test morons threatening to kill me when they literally piss themselves at the sight of a gun, but i do wonder what i would have thought about a bun of idiots who can't overthrow a depressed government with 2,000 guys, and whose leader writes a whiny manifesto while being spitroasted in jail.

>>92799906
>Evil corporations

Gosh, I didn't know that the Pepsi CEO was the commander in chief of the country.

>>92801680
That's more like the difference between an angry protester and a hastily thrown together militia. If you give guns to a bunch of Antifas they're not suddenly going to be proficient at guerilla warfare.

>>92797296
>I hope this was in a thread, and the next tweet was just, "*SpongeBob laughing at his own joke for 32 hours*"

>>92801800
Exactly the point I was making.

Top hats, twirly mustaches, and evil laughs.

>>92797296
Now we need a reply like "I killed 20 men so my grand kids could watch your show"

>>92801769
>i do wonder what i would have thought about a bun of idiots who can't overthrow a depressed government with 2,000 guys, and whose leader writes a whiny manifesto while being spitroasted in jail.
Fair enough, Mr. Goodwin.

>>92797485
Guaranteed replies

>>92801873
Isn't it Godwin?

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>>92801800
I mean, it's not that far off these days.

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>>92797485
Name one American war crime since My Lai that wasn't just the media overblowing hostile insurgents as "victims".
protip you literally fucking cannot.

>>92801899
Probably.

>>92799239
Kill yourself you Marxist scum

>>92802015
Does Abu Ghraib count? Not entirely clear what exactly consitutes a war crime desu.

>>92802015
>Name one American war crime since My Lai that wasn't just the media overblowing hostile insurgents as "victims".

bombing a Syrian air base after lying about the authorship of a chemical weapons attack a couple months ago.

>>92798936
Somalia was more of a Cold War-type "let's get involved because the USSR is involved" thing. The US supported Somalia, which lost to USSR-supported Ethiopia.

>>92802137
Lying about your motives isn't a war crime and neither is bombing a military objective.
You can definitely argue it was a diplomatic faux pas though.

>>92798892
It's just a glorified job. There are people of every political persuasion in the military.

>>92802245
>The US supported Somalia, which lost to USSR-supported Ethiopia.

what the fuck

Gothic Serpent happened because the country was imploding and a huge amount of people started starving off leaving to a humanitarian crisis, the soviet union had collapsed 3 years before

Ethiopia was at war with Eritrea, not Somalia

>>92802102
Soldiers going out of their way to be exceptionally cruel to the enemy.
Abu Ghraib was an example, yes. But far less major than something like My Lai. Very vague and weak in event to actually condemn memorial day.

>>92797485
>people still say /co/mblr isn't real

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>>92802102
>Abu Ghraib
We need MORE of those, not less. The only thing that Islam fears, legitimately, is shame. Pump a few of those "holy warriors" full of pig's blood lubricated bullets, and the fear of not going to Allah's magical whorehouse, will be enough to deter at least SOME jihadist filth. Hell, you give me the authority, I'll carpet bomb Mecca into a fucking glass crater. Not the ENTIRE city, just the "Great Mosque" and the ugly black cube it surrounds.

>>92802689
>people say bait never works

>>92802711

it largely depends on what kind of islamist you're dealing with.

you know what the Taqiyya is? Muslims can lie about being muslims, do any kind of un-islamic thing so long as they are using it to destroy the infidels from within. They can eat pork and have gay sex and whatever so long as it is "for the cause".

most suicide bombers are usually the most decadent fuck ups who drink and have impure lives they indulge in really hard because everything they do will be absolved once they commit martyrdom.

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>>92802137

>Bombing a military base after warning everyone there that the bombing was going to happen well in advance is a war crime.

>>92803031
>you know what the Taqiyya is?
Yes, I do. It's largely done to "protect" Islam, but that "protection" extends to lying and deceiving non-Muslims in order to convert and manipulate them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6F4wBeshTsw

>>92803291
Huh, reminds me of what the anon in >>92803031 said

>>92802415
Are we talking about the Ogaden War? Because I thought you were referring to the Ogaden War of 1977

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>>92803355
It largely comes from this:

Qur'an 3:28—Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference to believers. Whoso doeth that hath no connection with Allah unless (it be) that ye but guard yourselves against them, taking (as it were) security. Allah biddeth you beware (only) of Himself. Unto Allah is the journeying.

Ibn Kathir on 3:28—Allah said next, (unless you indeed fear a danger from them) meaning, except those believers who in some areas or times fear for their safety from the disbelievers. In this case, such believers are allowed to show friendship to the disbelievers outwardly, but never inwardly. For instance, Al-Bukhari recorded that Abu Ad-Darda' said, "We smile in the face of some people although our hearts curse them.'' Al-Bukhari said that Al-Hasan said, "The Tuqyah is allowed until the Day of Resurrection.''

>>92802015
>My Lai
As somewhet unfamiliar with burger history, that was a very interesting wiki read. Whoever wrote it made it feel like a movie.

>>92802711
>pig's blood lubricated bullets
You're out of your element, Blade.

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>>92799239
>Lol this guy who risked his life was a jerk so all of these people who risk their lives are jerks
I'm not surprised I found this post on /co/

>>92801864
Should I?

>>92803632
That Ibn Khatir guy seems really into liberal interpretation.

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>>92804042
Please do

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>>92797575
>it's a spongebob gets too real episode?
Why are they doing these now?
Did Mark Russell start writing spongebob.

Can't we go one fucking day without a think veiled /pol/ thread?

>>92802015
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmudiyah_rape_and_killings
What do I win?

>>92804275

no

people want to talk about relevant topics instead of masturbating to cartoon little girls or whatever, insane i know

OPs with a social media screenshot pic should be instaband for 3 days

>>92804085
Not really. It's based on the Hadith. Which, is basically collected oral traditions of "someone said something that someone else told them that he heard from his sister in law that Muhammad did something". To Muslims, anything Muhammad is believed to have said or done, whether it was true or not, is considered "sacred". The more "truthful" the sources of these stories are considered, the more "authentic" the Hadith, which Sahih Bukhari is considered the most "authentic" in Sunni Islam.

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>>92804275
How was this a /pol/ thread? It only got political when someone started screaming about how much soldiers don't deserve to be respected.

>>92800384
>Our friend pedobear was fixed for this masterpiece
Fixed

>>92797485
1 American soldier is worth 100 sand rats.

>>92797296
Is this a jab at veterans' healthcare?

>>92804545
Are you new?
And I don't mean to /co/, I mean to 4chan.

>>92802711
That won't stop them, that would cause a goddamn holy war

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>>92805119
I don't care. Evil shit needs to have it's ass sodomized.

>>92805379
I'm just saying that they are other ways that can be done, one that don't fuck us in the process

>>92805431
True. My preferred method would be propaganda and disinformation, as well as promoting and protecting apostates.

We defeated the USSR in the culture war. There's no reason to believe we can't defeat Islam the same way. I'm sure half the anger they have directed at the west is a direct result of them realizing that young people prefer western style degenerate stuff to own cultural/islamic heritage.

>>92805599
>There's no reason to believe we can't defeat Islam the same way. I'm sure half the anger they have directed at the west is a direct result of them realizing that young people prefer western style degenerate stuff to own cultural/islamic heritage.

not even modern westerners prefer degenerate post modernism. It leads to depression, hopelessness and self-hatred.

>>92805083
No, not at all.

>>92797296
>Who lives on a soapbox under the sea
>SPONGEBOB SQUAREPANTS

>>92805599
Cold war error westernism was more appealing. We're all sad fucks now.

>>92798441
that's what makes it admirable, they willingly sign up to do a shitty but imperative job that might result in their brutal death. There is a levity about a humans choice to put their own life on the line you must respect.

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>>92798441
You see, all great civilizations have a concept of civic pride, and being a soldier is part of that. You are giving part of yourself so your country can be stronger. The Romans of the Republic era, which the American founding fathers deliberately emulated, saw being a good soldier the same thing as being a good leader or administrator. They were the greatest civilization of any time or any people. It was when people began to be concerned with only their own interests, when they began abandoning their responsibilities to others that they went into decline. By relying on non-romans to form the bulk of their armeis. By allowing large populations of foreign people to settle in their lands. By turning their attentions to the afterlife instead of the present life. By defining themselves as Christians instead of Romans, losing sight of who they were.

Asking why we "worship soldiers" is like asking why we take pride in having any identity as Americans at all.

>>92800995
Memri is an israelite center of studies on the bullshit muslims say

Many are shoops.
Most arent, they are actually retarded
just go to the page. However biased and cherrypickybthe site is, the translations are true, they are usednfor study

>>92801558
spongebob lore is sea-deep

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>>92807825

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf4Bg-gEc5E