Hmmm..... really makes you think.

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Homer's salary was about 900 dollars a month, it really would be impossible to buy a house with only that today. It's difficult enough to rent an apartment

>Homer is in his mid 30's and has a decent house, 3 children, 2 cars, and a stable job

Some thinking may be required for this one, millenials.

>>92775331
I don't remember that playroom on the ground floor.

>>92775257
The Simpsons no longer own the house. Ned Flanders bought it and is now their landlord. He probably lets them rent it dirt-cheap.

>>92775406
Same, I can't recall a single time I've seen it.

>>92775406
It pops in and out of existence, sometimes it's on the second floor somehow.

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>>92775428
Three Men and a Comic Book.

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>>92775428
It shows up from time to time.

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>>92775406
The rumpus room is a mysterious place, my friend.

>>92775257
Don't several episodes establish that despite appearences the house is practically falling apart?
Homer doesn't actually have enough money to maintain such a house beyond his salary and its condition is probably how he could afford it in the first place.

>>92775257
Springfield is a shithole. Real estate is probably dirt cheap there.

>>92775476
>>92775485
>>92775502
I always thought that was Maggie's room. You learn something new everyday.

>>92775257
My parents lost the house I grew up in, even when taking inflation into account it's somehow more expensive. Probably has something to do with the white people coming back around those parts.

In the baby Lisa episode they explain that the only way the could afford it was Abe selling his house. He was put in the retirement home soon after.

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>>92775572
Maggie's room looks like this.

>>92775257
Stop loving in a city with 10million population and yeah, you can have a house like that.

>>92775257
But Frank Grimes calls it a mansion.
I don't think it was ever supposed to be an average family's house, it was supposed to be something you would see on an average sitcom.

>>92775797
Haha
Good one.

>>92775612
Good 'ole Chinkcouver.

>>92775797
Not even, my dude. 900 a month will get you a one room apartment, tops.

>>92775361
His father bought him a house.

>>92775406

"Sometimes its there sometimes it not. Our house is funny that way."

>>92775927
depends, if you are on a bi city then yeah. but if you are somewhere like ohio, you can get a 2 bedroom for 500

>>92775257
He got it at a really good price, selling his father's home, home that won in a tv show, show that was rigged on grandpa favor because he had a friend on the channel.

>>92775257
Not... really, no. The Frank Grimes episode specifically addresses how that home is beyond what Homer can afford. And a lot other episodes how he got it in the first place

>>92775331
this picture is so comfu

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>>92775797

You're right, I should move to a rural region where the only job within 100 miles of me is Walmart janitor.

>>92775257
Yeah, they're now peddling the same SJW bullcrap that encourages that self-entitled victim mentality which leads to not wanting to work and instead living off handouts and total financial and social dependence.

In other words, a loyal liberal drone for life.

>>92775257
You can blame it on two things - foreign manipulation of the housing market and rental investments.

In the cities you've got Chinese and Saudi investors buying up properties, converting them into more expensive homes, and flipping them. They make a fortune while simultaneously driving housing prices up. In suburbs and smaller towns you've got boomers who decided to become "property investors", bought up hundreds of thousands of affordable starter homes during the housing crash a decade ago, and then turned them all into shitty rental properties.

As a result, housing prices have now outpaced wage inflation by 400% and rent costs have skyrocketed. Young millenials - people who are entering the work force and should be settling down and starting families - can't afford new homes.

>>92775257
...no... not outside of TV. TV families get bigger houses so theyre easier to film in... cartoon scenes are even harder to draw in cramped quarters.

>>92775361
he was 28 at the start
i'm never going to get over that

>>92779999
i will never understand why resale is legal. it completely circumvents retail of any kind. you buy literally anything, you can immediately sell it for more, because now you're the only one that owns it.

>>92779566
Your lack of self awareness here is mind boggling.

Good thing I'm 23 and making 100k a year project managing right out of college and am almost debt free. My poli sci degree saved my ass and made me a valuable asset.

>>92779999
nice quads

>>92775361
He also walked into a job as a nuclear safety inspector with no formal education. Homer's realistic salary today would be $200-250K

Middle class my fucking ass.

>>92780235

His income is whatever it needs to be for a joke.

Marge once stated their food budget is five bucks a week.

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>>92780183
>My poli sci degree saved my ass and made me a valuable asset

>>92775612
>canadian luxury

>>92780235
i think the whole point of the frank grimes episode is to remind us that the simpsons don't really make sense

frank grimes has some college degree in some kind of nuclear science

>>92780316
He is also a whiny bitch who expected the world to fall onto his plate just because he had a hard life early on.
The real moral of that story is some people get by on dumb luck.

>>92780183
>>92780296
In theory if he lives near DC and has connections he could be telling the truth

>>92780366
well yeah that was the point of the character they took inspiration from too

>>92775331
He didn't buy the house though Grandpa did by selling his old house.

>>92779437
find a decent factory job. My cousin is a redneck doofus from tennessee and he's moving into a house kind of like the simpsons' one that's a hell of a lot cheaper than shit around me.

>>92775331
Has there ever been a scene set in that playroom/second living room in the back right corner? I can't remember ever seeing that.

>>92775257
A clear sign that the economy erode due to communists secretly ruling through their puppets Clinton, Bush and Obama.
Thankfully our generation is the most red pilled since ever. We have the power to fix the mistake our sorry predecessors did. Electing Trump into office was only the first step. Soon the Congress will be crawling with centipedes.

>>92775476
that scene is the coziest in the entire fucking series

>>92775331
also the basement sometimes is placed where the closet is
https://youtu.be/ifh8eoOdGbA?t=4s

>>92775331
shouldn't the basement stairs be next the the staircase to the second floor? many episodes show the basement stairs being there. Plus basements usually arent under the garage.

>>92780563
Its a cartoon house

>>92780183
You poor thing PMs are the punching bag of everyone involved in a project. I guess you have to brag about the money since its the only good thing. BTW you might try facial abuse if the PM thing doesn't work.

>>92779999
Yeah, no fucking kidding, my shitty house realtor keeps allowing a house I'm interested in to higher bidder. Bought by someone living in fucking China. All the houses are on pending. And when it's finally decided no one is buying certain houses I couldn't buy on the spot, the price got higher.

I thought these houses are for US citizens to live in? Holy shit

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>>92780457
>decent factory job
>2017
>America

>>92775331
>two bathrooms

but why?

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>>92775257

i actually thought a lot about this today....

>tfw you're too poor to even buy a lego Simpsons house

>>92781404
Because girls. A thirty-second piss for you guys is a five-minute squat session for us chicks.

>>92775331
Uh, is the basement underneath the garage? I always thought the basement door was in the entry way.

>>92775257
>>92775331
>>92775361
I don't know, don't ask me how the economy works.
I guess millenials will have to live in an apartment above a bowling alley and below another bowling alley

>>92779999

Tell me about it. 13 years ago I was paying 280 per month on a fairly nice one bedroom apartment. Granted, it wasn't in the most upscale neighborhood, but the living room was big, the kitchen was spacious, my bedroom was large enough that I could easily fit a sofa in there along with my bed, and my electric bill seldom went above 100 per month even at the height of a southern summer.

Now I'm in Texas and paying more than double for a two bedroom where the roaches can never be fully eradicated, the water always runs cold when you try to wash dishes or try to take a shower or runs hot when you want a drink, the electric is about 180 per month on average and the bathroom and kitchen are small and cramped. It's also not very handicap accessible, which wasn't really something I considered when choosing it, but makes a big damn impact when you get a plateau fracture and have to use a wheelchair or walker to get around.

>>92780692

Depends on the industry. At the market research company I work at, they are little tin gods that can do no wrong in their bubble world somehow. Having seen their work up close and personal for three years running, I am amazed that they can submit the garbage I have to sift through and not die of shame. Ignorance truly is bliss.

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>>92775406
This house is a creature of chaos, it may take many incarnations

>>92775331
Did they ever do anything in that back room behind the garage, I can't recall ever seeing it in the show before. Also whats that room with the fish on the wall right next to it suppose to be?

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>>92780269
>Marge once stated their food budget is five bucks a week.

BULL FUCKING SHIT

God damn the more we dive into this shit the more I can't help but sympathize with Grimes.

I live in a city with prosperous jobs and low taxes and I have to have a goddamned insane tech job that pays six figures to do it. I've worked my ass off to get my meager three bedroom home.

I can't imagine if I had to feed kids, or a dog, or provide for a wife.

The only people I'm blaming for this shit are my parents' age, who won't pay a fair wage to anyone anymore.

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>>92782548
>BULL FUCKING SHIT

They find a way, anon.

>>92775331
>the couch and TV from the opening are by the back door
I never thought about it, but what a weird place to put them. Normally you want the furniture you use the most to be close to the front door, so when you come in, you can just turn the corner and sit down, not walk across the house to get to it.

>>92775257

But Grandpa won that house in a crooked game show

>>92780235
>He also walked into a job as a nuclear safety inspector

No he started as a grunt and had a whole episode where he tackled safety issue around town where he eventually went after the plant. Burns gives him the job of safety inspector to get the people of his back

It's one of the few instances of continuity in the show

>>92782848
There was one episode when Lenny or Carl said that Homer got his job by showing up the day the plant opened.

>>92782895

Yeah and they could have been talking about the job he started at

>>92781404
>but why?
The Master bedroom tend to have its own toilet and one other for the rest of the house. You only need that for a house that had three bedrooms.

>>92775331

Was there a bigger version if the windows in front of the house that was near the living/tv room?

>>92775331
>900 dollars a month

That was 25 years ago.

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>>92781851
>don't ask me how the economy works.

It's rigged to make wealthy/middle class people poor over decades by using monetary power to hoard all the resources while making prices too high for anyone to buy anything.

The idea is to repackage feudalism so there is a giant underclass of destitute people who can't afford anything with a tiny elite that own all the resources and technology sitting on top of them.

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>>92775862
I live here. It is not a joke.

I'm just waiting for it to get worse and worse until rich foreigners run out of buyers and think "yknow....this place isn't really worth living in..." and then fuck off to some new speculator market.

>>92781312
>menial labor is beneath me or "tooo haaaard"
one of the biggest flaws of my generation. hard work is satisfying in a way that most limpwrists will never understand

or were you talking about pay? because all factory jobs arent sweatshops and many pay quite well with the benefit of not having to pay back a quarter million dollar degree required of a similar paying job

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>>92783110
more like decent factory jobs are basically non-existent, because they are almost ALWAYS filled by nepotism or cut out altogether

>>92783050
scary. What's most wierd is how often the dumbshits of this continent sympathize with the rich. Like 'oooh, don't be mean to him, he was smart with his money, he made millions off of hard work!' Like no dude, these people fuck you over on a daily basis in ways you're not even privy to.

Its this wierd thing where every American thinks they're a millionaire just currently down on their luck.

>>92783110
You're an idiot, the joke is that there are no decent factory jobs to get, not that they're beneath him.

>>92783143
>decent

i keep forgeting that most people other than myself have an inflated standard on what constitutes decent.

people need to stop living beyond their means and expecting a lavish life. i dont make a lot of money. i dont spend less than that and am still happy. Its as simple as that.

>>92783147
Yeah but class envy is fucking retarded as well, while fractional reserve bankers literally make their money by doing nothing, most wealthy people actually do produce for society. *I* want to be wealthy. Don't you? Doesn't everyone want to have a good standard of living? Vilifying the idea of wealth makes it sound like being poor is hip and trendy.

The guy who owns a grocery store down the street and drives around in a porsche isn't fucking anyone over and isn't being greedy, he earned that porsche by providing food.

The reality is that the actual criminal class doing this to us number in the thousands out of 7 billion people.

>>92783212
I too like to eat marmalade out of jars while wearing nothing but my underwear.

>>92783102
its not about living in it
chinese investors are buying up property in the west so they have something safe and reliable to liquidate when the chinese economy inevitably collapses

>>92781851
why are there so many fucking bowling alleys in this universe of yours?

>>92783147
you're incredibly self-entitled. and if you think youre not rich, i'd suggest studying history or traveling a little if you can

shit, donate a little time or money, build a little perspective instead of this victim-complex you have going on. because my life is not based upon the success of others, because ive found happiness and its not in a smaller gape in between the earnings of the super-wealthy and me

>>92783212
My version of decent, at the very least, would mean I could move out of this shitty apartment just on the fringe of the wrong side of town and move into at least a proper apartment where me and everybody else aren't constantly stuck up inside each other's asshole and the water doesn't come out all disgusting and oily

>>92783278
there are north koreans happier than the socialist dregs festering this thread

talk about spoiled

>>92783316
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxJeO5QzAQk

>>92779437
>>92780457

>live in orlando
>finding a job is easy because of theme parks

I'm so glad I don't live in bumfuck nowhere.

>>92780563
Obviously a troll but still, communism has been extremely watered down if Bill, and Obama are anywhere close to it.

>>92782439
I believe that is another bathroom

>>92780563

nice b8

>>92783354
cities are shitty. news at 11.

move somewhere better or build a plan to work out of your situation; no one will ever care more about the quality of your life than you or your loved ones, those are the first and last things that will ever work to improve society, it's so proven.

>>92783147
It's just part of their moral values not to punish success. That doesn't mean they're under the delusion that they'll be millionaires some day.
Besides, thinking there's some big cabal trying to keep the poor man down is idiotic. Sometimes you're not dealt the best hand and it's nobodies fault.

>>92780183
>My poli sci degree saved my ass and made me a valuable asset.

Lying is a sin.

Wasting money on a bullshit field of study should be too.

>>92780563
poor bait for the blue anons here but to spring board i wouldnt call gen z "the most red-pilled", at least not half of them who are just as far the other way or more

>>92779999
>bought hundreds of thousands of affordable starter homes during the housing crash a decade ago, and then turned them all into shitty rental properties.
literally what half my family does

>>92783435

>It's just part of their moral values not to punish success.

helping the rich more than the poor is also part of american moral values. this is why americans vote for politicans who promise to cut taxes for the rich so they can cut funding for public services.

>>92781404
Anon they have three restrooms. Ones behind the kitchen

>>92783110
He's not complaining about doing factory work, he's complaining that decent factory jobs don't exist.
Good paying blue collar jobs aren't even that easy to get anymore, since most police jobs require a college degree of some sort, or fire jobs are limited by guys choosing not to go into retirement or by governments choosing to keep all volunteer departments as a cost saving measure.

>>92775406
The writers did to, considering all the times they fought over the livingroom TV.

>>92783147
>down on their luck.
the difference between the mindset these nu-socialists today and people who value the right to own property

thats not what we think at all, poor people are not down on their luck if they dont have money, they either didnt work for it or--small caveat--their preceding generations didnt work for it (inherited wealthy is a verifiable minority of wealthy people) in which case you have my empathy but not the right to demand other people share their already heavily-taxed wealth

>>92783278
>Implying I don't actually do this
Come on anon

>>92783425
I agree, and we are trying to make the most of what we can, but no matter how optimistic you try to be, you can't change reality to suit you, only put up with it until you finally (hopefully) get your lucky break
also I live in the rural South, moving somewhere better isn't much of an option

>>92775331

That upstairs is way, way off. I know they shift it around a lot but they're fairly consistent about Homer and Marge being able to look out the window towards the Flanders' house while lying in bed.

The kids' bedrooms also move around a lot; Lisa's is probably the worst about that.

Actually, come to think of it, this doesn't work with Homer the Heretic either since that'd require Ned going through the living room and then hauling Homer up the stairs instead of pulling him out the backdoor or the front.

>>92783236
I don't think people who are pissed at wealthy people are thinking about the guy who owns a bunch of grocery stores.

>>92783544
ive not really noticed or looked at the hiring standards of industrial businesses before but ive heard that people who have gone into trades have made themselves more successful than college graduates because they never had to put themselves into debt from the "startup cost" grads did and were able to save

>>92783354
>the water doesn't come out all disgusting and oily
What city is this? I lived in the shittier part of town in NYC and the water was at least clean (when the building had water running).

>>92783587
>i live in the rural South

oh, well in that case its easy: Move anywhere and it'll be better.

>>92783435
>It's just part of their moral values not to punish success.

What a lot of people consider "punishing success" is NOT giving massive tax cuts to the most wealthy people and corporations.

The whole "temporarily embarrassed millionaires" thing is because there's a lot of middle class and poor people who support policies counter to their own interests because of warped ideas about the economy people at different income levels.

Look at all the working class people who would benefit from unions but are strongly against them.

Or the "small government" average joes who somehow think that regulations about smokestacks and dumping industrial waste are holding them back from becoming successful entrepreneurs.

Or all the poor people who are on welfare but vote for candidates who want to cut it.

>Besides, thinking there's some big cabal trying to keep the poor man down is idiotic.

It might not be an easily personifiable mustache-twirling evil shadow cabinet, but it's undeniable that there's a tiny percentage of the population that owns an enormous amount of wealth and wants more. And that more is coming from people below them. 40 people own as much health as the poorest half of the Earth's population. That's the size of a slightly overcrowded high school classroom vs 3.5 BILLION people. Wealth has been concentrating in fewer and fewer hands for a long time now.

>>92783667
NYC water is fucking god teir

>>92780563
>our generation
Your generation is the least white in american history, I doubt hispanics, and blacks are going to make a major shift to the republicans after Trump. The boomer influence is also going to become less, and less as they start to die off, and as a result the more liberal millennials will continue to gain influence. Trump very well might get 8 years if he survives the Russia scandal but the current republican iron grip is more fleeting than it appears.

>>92783587
godspeed then, friend

dont belittle the human spirit anon, your ancestors sailed across the sea to unknown lands, battled hostile natives, climbed over mountains, and lived out a wagon. I believe that you have the capability to overcome the modern equivalents to these if you try.

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This is how poor people used to live

>>92783667
NYC, for all its problems, has amazing water, so that makes sense

>>92780563
I know this is bait, but I'll ask anyway.
Why?
What exactly is the benefit people get or are expecting from "the redpill" and "redpilled politicians"

At no point do they turn around and toss you a bone or two. They say thanks, and then they go on to line their own pockets, and throw out whatever is in their way to get it. They don't help out with housing, they don't help out with veterans, they don't help out with your schools, nothing. You like the internet the way it is? Well, they don't. Enjoy paying more for less, much less.

The only thing you're getting out of this deal is that they'll do their best to punish brown people and women.
Is that really worth it?

>>92783744
Fun fact: the reason houses and apartments are so big relative to the characters' income (you know, before it became a fantasy wish fulfillment thing where a 20-something waitress can afford an enormous apartment in the hottest neighborhood in New York City) is because that way there's more room to film.

>>92783744
No, that's a TV show

>>92783744
that's what credit cards are for.

>>92783768
>The only thing you're getting out of this deal is that they'll do their best to punish brown people and women.
>Is that really worth it?

Propagandists are surprisingly good at using brown people as scapegoats for all the country's problems. Between that and blaming problems on middle class/poor people (the "temporarily embarrassed millionaires" thing we're talking about above is very important here), vague "government regulation" and fearmongering about war/terrorism, they've got a huge chunk of the voting population on lock.

>>92783737
>I doubt hispanics, and blacks are going to make a major shift to the republicans after Trump.
we'll see if 2020 marks a pattern in this because more blacks voted republican this election than in nearly 80 years, and the ratio of latino dem:rep is around 67:33 correct? those are signs that its possible republicanism is reaching them instead of just relying on the majority white voting block

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>>92783147
You know what's funny. All these degree jobs that aren't really that hard to do, but you need a degree to get?

That was put there specifically for the sake of fucking over black Americans coming back on the GI Bill. Instead of college, they chased them off to trade schools. They came looking for work, and companies would go "err, you need a degree! Sorry, there's no work for you here!" And now everyone's getting fucked.

What I don't get about America is it's eagerness to see Subclass A and B people get fucked, say to themselves that Subclasses A/B just aren't trying hard enough and aren't up to snuff, and somehow not manage to see themselves as the next mark.

>>92783744
>No roof
>Half the walls are missing
>Backyard basically consists of a few feet of leg space with a painted wall opposite the window to make it look nicer than it is
Seems about right

>>92783846
I think it goes like this: a lot of middle class/poor Americans buy into the myth that financial success is wholly thanks to hard work and intelligence. Therefore, if you aren't financially successful, it's your own fault. But the people who think this are poor/middle class but at the same time DON'T think of themselves as stupid and lazy. So they're the exception to the rule. While everyone else is struggling because they're lazy and stupid, my situation is completely unique in that I'm struggling because of leeches/immigrants/blacks/taxes/government regulation/whatever.

>>92783857
>No roof
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS5jqXWECbI

>>92775257
>asking why cartoon character can afford houses
Next, you're going to complain why the Griffins can buy a house when Peter works at a job for literal retards. Or how Bob can sustain a family of five when his burger place only has two regular customers.

In middle town America it is.

>>92783944
Bob's Burgers is a bit more realistic than the Simpsons in the sense that Bob actually struggles with rent and this is acknowledged in the show. If I remember correctly, there was an episode where Bob had to talk his landlord into pushing his rent payment back.

>>92783977
>an episode
There's got to be at least half a dozen episodes

>>92783768
i dont ideologically or practically expect the right to comfortable living from the government.
>dont help out with veterans
i think thats a point against you in regards to how capable the government is in providing even minimally sufficient things to a large group of people, i am a veteran and i fully believe in conscription if only to show just how uncaringly inefficient and unaccountable the bucket-full-of holes any governmental process is.

as mean as a capitalist system is, you realize the problems of today: poverty, underhanded business, racism, etc. have always been around. The difference is that the help people got was from their family, and now that the government has destroyed that with drug laws, mandatory sentences, welfare, etc, it's actually trying to take the families place as the helping hand of the downtrodden

>>92783814
propaganda works both ways, you'd probably find that billy-bob shitkicker will admit Fox is biased, but so many people pretend that ... well every other media outlet on TV doesnt have any sort of bias is tunnel vision and detrimental and its why no one bought Hillary and instead bought the Pro-Gay New York Liberal from a tv show

that is the red-pill people talk about

>using brown people as scapegoats for all the country's problems.

this is blue-pill: "everything is somebody trying to keep me down, you dont have any legitimate points, people are incapable of being wrong if they are a certain color, i dont want to actually help solve the countries problems, i just want to absolve my feelings of spiritual emptiness by taking an easy shallow view based on misguided altruism, give me rights"

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>>92783814
Yeah, I know the score. I know that the brown men (And the yellow, then they get too uppity) are the scapegoats for what's wrong with the country whenever it's convenient. I know that flying has become more difficult after worrying and worrying about the sand darkies (you like having a laptop while flying? They're considering banning them on flight altogether right now)

I mean, I guess if you were a police officer during the War on Drugs, you benefited from it directly, but outside of that, not much really. Now there's an Opium craze sweeping the nation, and nobody knows what to do about it, and people are talking about how to get those people the proper help they need. When it was about brown folk, the solution is SHOOT'EM, KILL'EM, JAIL'EM

What I don't get is WHY. I want to know what makes people tick that way. What's more important? Making sure that your government is looking out for you and giving your benefits when you need them, or making sure that the brown people are punished and put away because they're scary, and we don't mind digging in our pockets to make sure they get theirs.

It's the year 2017, and to this very day, the cries of "GET THE PEOPLE WHO ARE DIFFERENT FROM US! FUCK'EM" will still win elections, and these same people may or may not deliver on those promises, but continue to cut funding to programs/functions you need to save some money, and conveniently vote in favor of corporations that wouldn't mind getting more money by fucking you over by rewriting a few laws here or there. And of course, tax breaks that benefit themselves and only themselves! Less healthcare for everyone (but not after we write in a clause exempting ourselves)

At what point do we reach where it's less important to say "Get fucked, Tyrone!" and more important to say "I would like some healthcare, please"

Is America just fucked in this regard?

>>92784033

>"I would like some healthcare, please"

i don't understand. if we're providing health care to people then where will we get the money to give to rich people?

>>92784030
There's a difference from asking the government to provide everything for you, and then asking the government to provide aid when you need it.

I brought up veterans because it's often used as a talking point in to why they should be supported, and then they generally don't get that help that's been promised to them.

Also, that doesn't really even answer my question. More often than not, these "redpilled politicians" don't provide much help to their constituents, and people who vote based on the "redpill" beliefs seem more focused on making sure that the undesirables are more easily punished.

>this is blue-pill: "everything is somebody trying to keep me down, you dont have any legitimate points
There are literally been history books written on this concept.
Do you know why gun laws became so strict? Black people were arming themselves in the 70s/80s, and folks were not happy about that.

>>92784033
It's just easier to blame a scapegoat. Doing anything else requires more thought and at a certain level rethinking our own conceptions of how our society functions on even the most fundamental level.

>>92783050
>mfw bush jr start all this crap

>>92784033
most of america doesnt deserve health care and it would do less good overrall than welfare anyway, moreover, it would be more expensive than welfare and less profitable to work in the medical field (less qualified, less advancement, less incentive)

its why America is the world leader in medicine and people from countries on both sides come here for it--one of which HAS universal healthcare

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>>92784181
>America is the world leader in medicine and people from countries on both sides come here for it

World leader in medicine for rich people. If you're not rich then you're in a pretty sorry state as an American as far as health care is concerned.

Reminds me of my house. Dad's an engineer, mom's writing a book and might make 10k a year, but because they bought early (actually right around the time The Simpsons came out), they've now got a house worth a million dollars.

>>92784181
>most of america doesnt deserve health care
And that's where you got the idea wrong.

You see, for some reason the United States came up with the idea that you can have a strong nation without a healthy population. When in fact, a sick population is literally damaging to the economy.

This insane concept that you "can't afford" to have heathcare for the population is insane. Because it is the othe way around. You can't afford to not have healthcare. Your population coming to harm, of any sort, is bad for the nation. So to stop people dying from threats you have the army, the police, the fire fighting service, and healthcare.

What is the difference between a citizen dying from a curable illness, compared to dying from a terrorist attack?

They both kill a citizen.

And yet USA thinks they will spend billions to stop terror attacks that rarely happens, but let the sick citizens die.

I mean, bringing the same statement you made right back to you, "most of America doesn't deserve protection from terrorism and it would do less good overall than welfare anyway". Does that sound right? It is the same thing.

>>92784213
that's something i can't understand, i mean US people are ok when almost all their taxes is throw into the army, but they almost gone crazy if a small ammount of that money is invested in public healthcare.
wtf america

>>92784033
>What I don't get is WHY. I want to know what makes people tick that way.

Tribalistic mindsets were preferentially selected for through evolution because it helped with survival back in the day.

Do people look like you, act like you, speak your language and share your culture? Then you're probably genetically related, and should look out for each other because that helps your genes survive.

Are they different from you? Then fear them, because they're competing with you for space and resources, and might be trying to kill you.

You'll often notice instances of /pol/ leaking into /co/ come with tribalistic signals. People demonizing tumblr or reddit and citing lists of things "true 4channers" are not allowed to do or think, showing they have a very clear US vs THEM mentality.

That mentality never goes away though, even if you get rid of all the non-whites on earth, the whites will just find ways to divide themselves into new USs and THEMs and it starts all over again.

Tribalism never ends, unless we make an effort to end it.

>>92784033
>"I would like some healthcare, please"
What are you? A commie?

>>92784243
Compared to treating people who can't even earn their own healthcare, army is much more useful.

>>92784181
>its why America is the world leader in medicine and people from countries on both sides come here for it
Far more Americans LEAVE the US because cheaper to by an international plane ticket than have a routine procedure at home.

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>>92784245
>That mentality never goes away though, even if you get rid of all the non-whites on earth, the whites will just find ways to divide themselves into new USs and THEMs and it starts all over again

lol you don't even need a hypothetical situation. Different ethnicities of white people have a long history of hating each other.

>>92784107
>don't provide much help to their constituents
why we elected Agent Orange (although the memes probably helped)
>Black people were arming themselves in the 70s/80s, and folks were not happy about that.
now THAT is a terrific point and its a wonder why ive only, for the first time ever, not been the one to bring that up.

Why hasnt that point ever been the subject of MSM's usually left-wing agenda? Because they care more about appeasing their funders who seek to create a sterile, dis-armed society where power is easily controlled. Not because they want to uplift the poor negroes. It would solidify the rule that laws that disarm a society are the most oppressive in existence and no good has ever come out of a single society that does it.

Actually helping minorities is not the goal of the left. if they actually help them, who would then vote for them? its why republicans havent won a a presidency since 1988. The basis of their platform was to defeat communism, they did, but then had no agenda afterward on which to built voter confidence

>>92784241
I think the other guy is saying most of America just straight up doesn't deserve to live. This is the kind of genocidal crap that the American Right has degenerated in to.

>>92780069
>Tfw I'm gonna be as old as Homer in 2 years
>No job
>No house
>No car
>No wife

>>92784341
Do you at least have 3 money?

>>92784288
>Because they care more about appeasing their funders who seek to create a sterile, dis-armed society where power is easily controlled.
Their "funders"---aka investors---care about making money by appealing the the broadest demographic.
> its why republicans havent won a a presidency since 1988
Wut? Oh, you're just insane.

This discussion reminds me of

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DQhSLSA7bE

Also I desperately need a gif of peridot doing the leg holdy dance, whatever that's called

>>92779999
>>92780795
I'm usually against government regulation when it comes to owning things but how in the fuck is no one doing anything about people who aren't even in this country buying up all the homes screwing over the people who live here trying to get one?

>>92783609
Maggie's Room and the bathroom are usually swapped. Depends on the episode. I remember Bart looking through his window to Flanders house before, which would be impossible if it's on the right side of the house.

>>92784213
>medicine for rich people.
medicine is fucking expensive, and theres a reason for it, fast cars are expensive too, for the same reasons: it take many rare people (quite an oxymoron), it takes a lot of investment, it takes a lot of time

state healthcare is not a right, just like schools and roads, they are public services for the betterment of the general welfare of the people

i do not enjoy watching people suffer, my father almost died and was in the hospital for a year, it literally almost cost an arm and a leg because he was careless with his health and let himself become grossly overweight. The first two-years of my income as an aspiring member of society solely went to paying that bill.

the rich have no obligation to pay for me or my family, it is my obligation and responsibility as a man, and i do not trust the government to provide it nor do we now need. A result of this was my mother securing a job that provided healthcare to her and us which is why my sister didnt die when a few years later contracted type 1 diabetes

>>92784241
i think the biggest lie that is perpetrated by Media is that left and right want seperate things. the two, in america, just want to go about it differently. for instance:
>spend billions to stop terror attacks
the government is inefficient with money and spends too much
>most of America doesn't deserve protection from terrorism (instead of healthcare)
Ultimately those are both true; in the end no one will ever be more willing to make right by you... than you. I do things to provide and protect my family that government will never do. i own a weapon, i'll teach my son and daughter how to use it
> sick population is literally damaging to the economy.
very much. corn subsidies need to stop. welfare then pays for that corn product. and universal healthcare would be an ineffective to bandage the symptoms (no pun intended) instead of putting money into fat-chairs in secondary schools after letting them skip gym

>>92784532
>medicine is fucking expensive
that's not an excuse for America having a healthcare system that only takes care of the rich and leaves everybody else shit outta luck. Other countries have much better health among their general population than America does so don't pretend like it's impossible to get healthcare to the masses.

>>92784532

> i own a weapon, i'll teach my son and daughter how to use it

Owning a gun isn't going to stop Muhammad from allah snackbaring you. The only thing a gun can protect you from is home invaders or muggers.

>the rich have no obligation to pay for me or my family

And the middle+lower class have no obligation to pay for their tax breaks, but we have to do it anyway.

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>>92784579
>that only takes care of the rich
thats just exaggeration, plenty of people have a doctor. and i cant say it doesnt work for other countries because those countries are different from America.

Japanese live the longest because they eat fish, exercise into middle-age, and a value of personal accountability and independence; socialized medicine has little to do with it, in fact they have a fat tax.

America has lazy people who want others to pay for their well-being

>>92784619
>Owning a gun isn't going to stop Muhammad from allah snackbaring you.
not owning one didnt help the people cowering in the bathroom stalls at that nightclub.

>>92784682

It certainly wouldn't helped anyone at that ariana grande concert. Owning a gun is not a substitute for anti-terrorism.

>>92784664

Most first world countries have universal healthcare. I don't understand why america is the special snowflake country.

>>92784725
America is a little bit larger than those other countries.

>>92784742

So is America the biggest country in the world then, and that's why everyone but us can get healthcare?

>>92784742

Wouldn't more people also mean you can produce more and make more money?

>>92784765
America has the largest population of any first world country by a wide margin, yes.

>>92784780
Not necessarily. Look at Brazil and Mexico for example

>>92784725
Most first world countries also use the metric system and aren't denying the existence of climate change. America is just backward and reluctant to change.

>>92784821
>Biggest first world country
>Ass backwards in countless ways
How does this happen?

>>92784700
but its better than nothing right? may i ask what might be a better substitute for antiterrorism?

>>92784725
different costs, different economies, different peoples, different values

i'll talk out my ass a little more and say its just the overall different history of the relationship between the people and the government in these countries.

The rest of the first world (we can just say europe) come from monarchies and are used to being subjects rather than citizens and have different ideals about self-determination, individuality, and personal accountability

>>92784867
being only one on this side of this hemisphere?

>>92779999
And suddenly it's 2006.

>>92784946
the economy generally plays the long game. which is why blaming or praising presidents for the economy of a free market is retarded. And recovering from a bubble doesnt mean the bubble is necessarily gone

Also i wish

>>92784742
Why not do it by state rather than all of the US? Your stats are basically countries anyway.

>>92779437
>cityfags LITERALLY believe this is the only job outside of the big city
>LITERALLY no tradesmen
>LITERALLY no farmers
>LITERALLY no retail jobs

>the only options in life are office worker in the city or bus boy in a local diner in a sub 1000 person town

Why are cityfags so retarded?

>>92775331
I'm so jealous of the Simpsons because of this house.

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>>92784213
>NHS is in crisis and is a fucking shambles

>still better than literally every other developed country

>>92785103
probably mostly disruptive schools

>>92775331
>900 dollars a month

That would mean Homer only made $17,000 a year by today's standards when adjusted for inflation. We're houses really that cheap in the 90's?

>>92785103
it's what we've been told since day one.
the jobs are in the cities, don't learn a trade get a degree in something, anything. etc

>>92785172
people still spend like its the 90's

>>92784341
get a girl knocked up in 1 1/2. How hard is it?

>>92785174
I can't shit talk cities too much since i did move to the city a while ago from a rural town. I can understand why i guess, if you live in the city all your life and have never gone to a rural town (and lets face it, unless you get a job in the country there's literally no reason to go to a rural town unless you're visiting family), but what do they all think we're doing out there? Working minimum wage at local grocery chains and selling snake oil while telling old folk tales to pass the time?

>>92785228
it's more that it's suggested that all the jobs are already taken.

>>92785174
Well that kind of sucks because when you're living in a total free market scenario you are competing with literal geniuses across the world for anything you want to get into. Don't even bother with computer science unless you want to be the guy who programs elementary school computers or is just a random IT guy. You're not going to work for google or be a software engineer. You basically will only live to work your job 24/7. Welcome to the modern world, amigos. Fuck simple living, we star trek now.

>>92775257
It still is, but people think burger flipping income is "middle class" these days.

>>92780550
Three men and a comic book

>>92785172
they live in a small town in the middle of nowhere. You can find affordable houses for about that price in that sort of places. People shouldn't check big cities with actual work and industries as a reference.

>>92785263
>Burger flipping is the only job available
>Reeee stop making excuses , just increase your income bro lol

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>>92783050
What happened in 2003 that made it all go so wrong

>>92785282
>Instead of getting rid of the reason everything is over priced, let's just move to other places that are cheaper so they too become over priced after time

We can't lose with this strategy

>>92783846
>That was put there specifically for the sake of fucking over black Americans coming back on the GI Bill. Instead of college, they chased them off to trade schools. They came looking for work, and companies would go "err, you need a degree! Sorry, there's no work for you here!" And now everyone's getting fucked.
While I don't doubt that you're claim is false I would still like a source to confirm it.

>>92784532
This post is everything wrong with America.
How can a nation be so cucked, Jesus.

>>92775257
>3 bedrooms, 3 bathrooms, den, rumpus room, attached garage
Maybe in a rural midwestern town. If you inherited it from your parents. Or bought it and stayed there for the rest of your natural life. And all before the 70s.

>>92780631
Underrated

>>92785323
Like ugh just disagree with him okay? Isn't he just so stupid? No I'm not going to elaborate as to why *giggle*

>>92785340
Great argument, lad.

>>92785352
>This post is everything wrong with America.
How can a nation be so cucked, Jesus.
Great argument

>>92785364
Still better than your post, funny enough

>>92785370
Yeah you called me a cuck. I'm sure your Reddit bros will give you lots of upvotes for that one.

>>92780069
>>92784341
I'm already 28 and have just as little to show for it. I'm sort of numb to it at this point.

>>92785375
Not even that anon, stupid. And I love how you bring up Reddit when no one itt even mentioned it.

>2 story 5 bedroom house with 2 bathrooms in my old town is probably worth 200k at most
>know friends in Sydney who are paying $300 a week for a poorly kept 4 person share house with a bunch of chinks
>pay $250 a week for a medium sized well kept unit in Newcastle i share with one other guy who's pretty chill

Small cities are where it's at laddes

>>92785382
Why do I have to make an argument when the other guy you gave no argument to begin with?

>>92783713
And people still filter it. Fucking animals.

>>92785299
03-09 Bush's War
09-16 Obamas social programs

you can see which one costs more, although neither is good

>>92783818
>we'll see if 2020 marks a pattern in this because more blacks voted republican this election than in nearly 80 years
Are you sure about that? Trump got 8% of the black vote. His percentage is bigger than Romney (6%) and McCain (4%) but those two were running against a black candidate so naturally they were going to have a low percentage of black voters

>>92785323
im sorry are you agreeing with my points or not?

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>>92785420
> but those two were running against a black candidate so naturally they were going to have a low percentage of black voters

>the black voting block meme

>>92785340
Americans have this "people must do everything on their own, government owes me nothing and I don't own anything to it" mentality that has some value in itself, but they are terrible at applying it, they use it about situations or problems that people clearly can't take care individually or to escape their responsibilities towards their community.
Meanwhile they actually allow corporations and the government to shit all over their actually important rights, like food, housing and education, while squabbling over inconsequential panem-et-circenses shit.

Also selfishness is a fundamental aspect of the American way of dealing with problems, for example they think they can deal with violence with more guns instead of better education and sensibilizations because they don't want to put effort in improving society, they only care about defending their individual right with a flawed short term solution that actually worsens the problem.

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Hi guys, what's going on in this thread?

>>92785439
>Also selfishness is a fundamental aspect of the American way of dealing with problems, for example they think they can deal with violence with more guns instead of better education and sensibilizations because they don't want to put effort in improving society, they only care about defending their individual right with a flawed short term solution that actually worsens the problem.

At some point you're going to need to leave your basement and understand that there are people in this world who don't care much about being say down and told to trust the police to protect them 24/7. Thanks solution is being armed when you have mobs of angry low IQ hood rats who couldn't give two shots about their or anyone else lives. Go back to your sheltered suburb

>>92780235
But would Mr Burns pay his sector 7G organ bags a realistic salary?

>>92785463
See?

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>>92785453
fuck off leaf

>>92785420
its been more my personal experiences but ive seen a surprising number of videos of black men denouncing the DNC as the plantation owners they still are (red-pilled as one might call it).

And while the percentage of the black democratic vote was higher in 2012 because their constituent was physically similar to them, the black voter turnout in general for Obama's elections was higher as well, and im having a time finding the comparisons for the two years. Maybe trump did even better with the black vote proportionally compared to 08 and 12

like i said we'll see next election

>>92785439
If the government owes them nothing why do they have one let alone fight for it? The government should work for you, not the other way around.

>>92785469
>>92785439
Wait. Before you jerk yourself off, do you honestly believe that places with tighter gun regulations in America are better off than places with looser gun regulations in America?

>>92785439
>people must do everything on their own, government owes me nothing and I don't own anything to it
Soooo anarchy?

>>92785449
i suppose the people who want their vote
>>92785453
hi, friend, do have any enlightening posts about the topic at hand which is comics and cartoons
?

>>92785484
Let me guess: you visited one of those places with tighter gun regulations and felt emasculated.

Btw I'm not American, but man do I love to see rednecks melting down.

>>92785494
Wait, this is the board for comics and cartoons???

>>92785496
>Dodging the question
Let's try this again without ad hom. Do you believe
that places with tighter gun regulations in America are better off than places with looser gun regulations in America? I don't own a gun by the way.

C-can we talk about The Simpsons please?

>>92785504
>I don't own a gun
Sissy.

>>92785507
No! America is in danger again! We must shitpost to win!

>>92785507
Aright

is there any way that this series can end other then Abe's funeral?

>>92785513
>Dodging the question
Hmmm. I thought you were supposed to be well informed? Or at least you seem to fancy yourself as such.

>>92784873
>but its better than nothing right? may i ask what might be a better substitute for antiterrorism?

I am not anti 2nd amendment, though I have a more narrow reading on what a "trained militia" is than some far-right thinkers, but...

Everyone packing heat all the time is not better than nothing. It's worse. It's the Wild Wild West. It's lawlessness.

If people in nightclubs were all allowed to carry, no nightclub patron would be left alive. The death toll from drunk people with no impulse control all over America popping off and spraying the crowd with bullets would be orders of magnitude greater than anything any group of terrorists could do.

>>92785515
Hopefully the bean counters just find a way for fox to make more money and the plug is pulled.

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>>92785521
>someone from a country with no gun culture should be well informed about gun culture, especially if the anon from a country with a gun culture DOESN'T OWN A GUN

>>92785123
Oh God. My home town's hospital was in the news because it had forged 1000s of patient records to pretend they "met targets" and hid it from everyone. Christ I worked there for 3 years and didn't know it was going on.

They were caught because a standard inspection found they were failing in unrelated areas so much they had to go into special measures. Which prompted the people brought in to look at the records and put 2 and 2 together.

>>92785515
I remember someone making a two part post talking about how they would end The Simpsons. I remember the plot being pretty good, but sadly, I didn't screencap it.

>>92785548
>Dodging the question
You don't need to own a gun to compare violent crime rates between areas with different gun regulations. Could it be that you're not as smart as you think you are? Also if you aren't well informed on guns shouldn't you prevent yourself from mouthing off?

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Sure is comics and cartoons in here. Why don't you get a job, lazy punks?

>>92785469
>Wow you don't believe what I believe where a top down finger waving will just magically clear the streets
>How selfish

Come over here and live in the ghettos if you want you spoiled brat. Criminals don't target well armed communities and making guns illegal does nothing but create a black market for where only the law abiding lose out.

Frig off britbong, go get blown up by your muzzie friends

>>92785439
>better education and sensibilizations
explain these please, the US can spend even more than it does on education (more than any other country) and do sensible things like California where everything but shotguns are illegal now (already a very peaceful state) what can be done in specific examples

because my dad taught me this: "if he comes in the back door, shoot him; if you play with it, you will be severely punished"

its the way america worked from before its creation till... around the eighties and on? started in 1934 and 1964

>>92785569
>>92785572
>being this mad
Did Cletus run out of Walmart beer again?

>>92782895

He didn't even know what a nuclear panner plant was!

>>92785496
>Emasculated

More like felt more safe because you knew muggers don't try their shit where they know they can't get away with it without getting shot.

Why does everything have to be some masculine image struggle with liberals?

>>92785583
Believe it or not criminals are able to buy things from other criminals who steal them or buy them under the table from less-than-lawful merchants. Vast majority of criminals use stolen or otherwise illegally obtained firearms because contrary to what the media tells you there are actually already background checks for buying guns that exclude convicted felons.
Also
>Dodging the question and resorting to ad hom
I thought liberals were supposed to be the smart ones? How come I'm kicking your ass then?

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>>92785123
If that's how you want to see it

>>92785228

We think you have a shrinking set of decent jobs and a lot of decaying storefronts and shitloads of great food but diner owners who'll look at you funny.

I mean, that was Iowa, anyway.

>>92785585
>>Why does everything have to be some masculine image struggle with liberals?
Because conservatives love phallic objects.

>>92785590
>I'm kicking your ass online
Mom is very proud of you, anon.

>>92785591
>World Bank
>WHO

Discarded

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>>92785601
>Loses the debate and then tries to pretend he was trolling the whole time
Why is admitting you were wrong on an anonymous website such a terrible thing.

>>92785620
Where did he said he was pretending that he was trolling? Maybe you should calm your autism.

>>92785620
>redneck crying online
>debate

>>92785504
>Do you believe
that places with tighter gun regulations in America are better off than places with looser gun regulations in America?
America's not a healthy, correctly functioning country, so no. As I said previously (by the way only a fraction of the replies you get are mine, I only wrote the wall of text that got you booty-blasted) there's tons of people that act selfishly so if guns were abolished altogether they would abuse the law and crime would rise.
The way you fix the problem is by preventing social drifting instead of piling more guns on guns, educating the population with a better school system, giving a safety net in the form of healthcare and scolarships, taxing the rich instead of allowing the crippling richness gap to grow, putting a stop to the mindless consumerism that pushes low/middle classes to waste money.

>>92785601
No you love phallic objects and project your insecurities onto others but are far too egocentric to understand this.

>Lol people want to feel safe when they think the police aren't trustworthy or there is a crime wave
>Get it grip, you only want to feel safe because you suppress homosexual urges

How does this make sense in your mind?

>>92785432
I'm just speaking percentage-wise. Could you clarify what you mean?
>>92785449
The guy said that Trump got the biggest percentage of the black vote in 80 years, which wasn't correct. That's all.
>>92785475
Ok, that makes more sense. I think those videos might have been isolated cases here and there tbqh

>>92784873
>The rest of the first world (we can just say europe) come from monarchies and are used to being subjects rather than citizens and have different ideals about self-determination, individuality, and personal accountability
This is coming from someone basically living in a police state.

>>92785630
It's clear from his sudden shift to ad hom. It's called context clues autist.

>>92785636
>How does this make sense in your mind?
I don't own guns, but you do because you love phallic objects.

>>92783290
Does that mean countries like Australia and Canada will have a major financial crisis when the Chinese-fueled housing bubble pops?

>>92785634
Oh that sounds easy. Could you give us your outline please? It's so simple after all. Also who are these people throwing guns at things? I'm not sure they actually exist. People buying guns for personal use isn't federal mismanagement btw.

>>92785652
You don't own guns because you live in a safe enough area. If your definition of feeling safe is proximity to phallic objects , then you feeling safe without a gun must mean you receive phallic objects pretty regularly pham

>>92784532
Medicine is artificially inflated in the US to a massive degree and it's the only developed country that has privatized healthcare. Yes they're the world leader in producing new medicine but that's because the pharmaceutical companies can exploit the American people for obscene profit, no country in europe runs ads for drugs because they all realize that it's unethical, American doctors are paid to shill drugs for these companies, many of which are rushed out with improper testing. America is the land of misinformation and when you spend almost all of your tax money on a dick waving contest that is the military in the name of protecting your people, while letting more of your own citizens die from poverty related issues than ever died in any war you can't ignore the hypocrisy.

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>>92785540
>Wild Wild West.
our comfort and civilization is not inherently timeless. you must respond with the requirements forced by your surroundings. being on a frontier with the bare minimum to be considered a police force necessitated owning a personal weapon on your person. being a suburbanite 50 years ago didnt necessitate that. today i'd say it does.

>The death toll from drunk people with no impulse control all over America popping off and spraying the crowd with bullets would be orders of magnitude greater than anything any group of terrorists could do.
that is something i'd accuse you of not being able to back up, drunkenness was far more common around the turn of the last century and there are very little historical data that this was a problem necessitating disarmament. Whereas i could point to any city, state, country that has banned firearms and been the worse for it, save for Japan who have exactly the reason crime and the media's favorite "Mass Shootings" occur infinitely more frequently than when >pic was sold mail-in-cash

>>92785709
What about Australia?

>>92785684
Fuck off and stop being poor.

>>92784532
>medicine is fucking expensive, and theres a reason for it, fast cars are expensive too, for the same reasons
Medicine is a Veblen good?

>>92785734
>Instead of being shot you get stabbed
>Hey at least there are no more mass shooting though

You literally solved nothing except gave up some legally owned guns. Criminals still have guns and they are still going to use them.

>>92784867
You see m8; for centuries America was the go-to dumping ground for all kind of barely human trash that used to populate Europe.

>>92784664
Anon, arn't girls with peepees just men?

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>>92785601
very homophobic desu

guns and penises should both be treasured

>>92785640
>living in a police state.
im sorry but police putting down riots caused by a cop killing a black man under very media-manipulated is not comparable to some of the frightening things ive seen coming from europe
>>92785341
>>92785374

>>92785709
wow, how not to save a pic

>>92785598
Man. The only time I've been to Iowa was to bury my grandmother. That would have been a bittersweet experience even if conditions were different. All those small towns along the interstate filled with polite, helpful people might just vanish over the next decade. Just a few years ago there was a rural community in my own state which officially ceased to exist because it simply wasn't large enough to be considered independent of another town nearby.

>>92785323
I honestly don't believe that poster is American. The end of their post reads like something that went through google translator.

>>92785769

>costs less than a cent to manufacture a singe dose
>sold for 25+ dollars
>retard actually defends those who take advantage of him

>>92785802
And it shows:
>>92785799
>>92785812

Ah the United Kingdom. I love my great Empir- er country.

>>92785769
You know you'ld be richer if you weren't paying a 2000% mark up for your cancer meds.

>>92785822
I love when people on /co/ can't come up with a counterargument so they just get all huffy. Please keep giving me those butthurt replies

>>92785802
Actually thats Australia , a literal former penal colony of thieves and rapists sent to the desert to die, who somehow thrived like cockroaches.

>>92785799
Overall crime and homicide rates are down in Australia since the gun restrictions passed in 96 and have been steadily dropping since then

It may not be a perfect counterpoint, but the country definitely isn't "worse for it" as claimed above

>>92785734
very similar situation actually
>85% ethnically homogeneous
>minority of brown welfare slaves with no incentive for individual success using government checks to buy drugs but lefties feel bad because its the white mans fault

they turned away from gun ownership after a single insane individual killed many people during a period of great peace that is inevitably fleeting and are making the same "we are the world" immigration mistakes as europe

>>92785834
>Country

You're not even a country , you're an island full of stuck up drunks who faint at the sight of a butter knife.

>>92785804
ugh. you sound like my mother (male)

>>92780183
The thing about a poli sci degree is that when you actully do find a job they do make bank. I have a friend who landed a job that was paying him 90k straight out of college with his poli sci degree

I find it amazing that you faggots are still shitposting about this nonsense in a cartoons & comics board.

>>92785881
crime rates are down in America too

if you eliminate some demographics skewing the stats slightly

>>92785569
>You don't need to own a gun to compare violent crime rates between areas with different gun regulations.
Here's a crazy though: what if those tighter gun laws are a result of higher crime in those areas and not the other way around. Nah, a conspiracy of Marxist tycoons who are taking away our guns so we can't defend ourselves from the communist dictatorship they want to create for some reason makes a lot more sense.

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Just admit the US is dying and may already be dead. Start making long term plans for you and your families to get out of this ultramodern aristocratic fantasy land that we live in today. At this point we belong to various corporate masters who among themselves vote on what this country does to bloat their profit margins. They arent even arguing over things that can make huge percent difference on their companies, they are arguing over tax loopholes and privileges that offer them barely 5% per year. Think about how much money that it takes for even 5% extra per year to be worth your time and effort to move government doctrine and even armies to get.

I dont even feel safe living here. I love this country but we have been changed by corporate media stranglehold on US politics. No politician will ever be elected to help change the situation because less than 5 corporations own the entire US media, and they have every reason to support 'fiscally conservative' twits who offer another tax cut and fewer regulations over someone who thinks an effective tax rate of less than 10% is unacceptable for corporations with billions moving in the economy.

I predict the US will fall into squabbling minor nations, maybe 3 or 4, within the century. Your grandchildren will be the next North American revolutionaries. And they will be fighting over the last few clean water sources and arable land because the scant few thousand rich 1%ers who own the corporations that own the US will have already gone into their vaults and bunkers and underground towns where they will proceed to backstab each other into oblivion. perhaps even as a regular established aristocracy and using your grandkids in their ignorant peasant armies

>>92785881
>Crime fluctuates

Yup. In a country that is already 90% homogenous that lives on a ginat and isolated island where cigarettes cost $20 a pack , disarmament will probably reduce successful suicides (if those are counted as homicides in Boganland)

In other places, not so much.

>>92785933
And those regulations end up not helping at all and just make things more dangerous for law abiding citizens. I'm just going to disregard your strawman.

>>92785903
hey, theres a lot of political nuance behind the genius American satire known as Matt Groenings "The Simpsons"

we're just digging a little deeper than normal

>>92785819
As American as an immigrant floating in to detriment of the natives.

>>92784213
>swedish health care
>good

It's in shambles with people dying before getting their operations and we have to send babies to Finland after being born due to how overfilled our hospitals are due to sandniggers and horrid managment by politicians.

>>92785933
>what if those tighter gun laws are a result of higher crime in those areas and not the other way around

can you back this up by any correlation? i didnt know that Australia actually had less violence after automatic weapons bans as >>92785881
pointed out, can you provide me with any others? its certainly not like the UK, France, California, Detroit? any disarming policy there directly worsened the situations--at the very it least didnt help

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>>92775331
>There are people who still probably don't see what the fuck was his problem.

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>>92786023
Liar.
back this up with evidence. Sweden is not so populous a country that "people dying before getting their operations and we have to send babies to Finland after being born due to how overfilled our hospitals are"
would ever happen without dozens of people reporting it to media or posting about it online. evidence for this kind of bullshit should be easy for you to find, if it were true

>>92785953
>And those regulations end up not helping at all and just make things more dangerous for law abiding citizens.
The data from before and after suggests otherwise. Can you show me some examples where decreasing gun control lead to a drop in violent crime? Because otherwise you have no argument.

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>>92780183
>My poli sci degree saved my ass and made me a valuable asset.

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>>92775257
>>92775331

Homer is a technician at a nuclear power plant. Median pay is about $80k/year. Considering that his position as a safety inspector, he probably makes even more than that and his salary could be around the six-figure number.

Source:
https://www.bls.gov/ooh/life-physical-and-social-science/nuclear-technicians.htm#tab-5

>>92786023
a graph probably rated them--if theres any measurement criteria at all-- by "on-paper" characteristics and not actual application

>>92785943
>because less than 5 corporations own the entire US media
its still 6 isnt it? and chill down companies getting tax breaks by a government that still spends more than if they taxed 100% of their income should be how you look at it. if you want to hate people with money do it to those who have the internationally recognized authority to do it, not businesses who want as little to be taken from them by said money-grabbing-people-killing machine

>>92783636
That's a huge meme, it's impossible to get apprenticeships nowadays.

>>92786055
http://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/nyfodda-svenskar-kan-skickas-till-finland/
http://www.dn.se/sthlm/ett-svenskt-barn-ar-fott-i-finland/
http://omni.se/platsbrist-pa-bb-foraldrar-skickas-till-finland/a/qao5g
http://www.expressen.se/nyheter/de-tvingades-att-flyga-till-finland-for-att-foda/

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/jamtland/dog-i-vantan-pa-operation
http://www.aftonbladet.se/debatt/article22132580.ab

Media reporting on our problems. Now eat shit, I bet you're one of the wealthy with private healthcare that votes for one of the leftist parties to feel good.

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>>92786132
god just listen to you suck that aristocrat cock. yeah companies that exist purely as a convenient legal fiction to avoid direct liability look out for people more than elected government officials. You are what is wrong with the entire world.

>>92784033
Most people would rather be slowly fucked over the course of the next thirty years by tobacco, alcohol, and prescription drugs than be blown up at a concert by Mohammed Al Mohammed Bin Mohammedhammed and his homemade nail and goat teeth bomb.

I mean, I get it... you're dead either way. But at least you don't have to identify chunks of your daughter in the street after she gets killed by Newports.

>>92786023
>we have to send babies to Finland after being born due to how overfilled our hospitals are due to sandniggers
I wonder: were the Swedish people aligned with the government's decision to take in as many immigrants as possible and shower them with money?

>>92775331
>pilars on windows and doors

What?

>>92786032
>any disarming policy there directly worsened the situations--at the very it least didnt help
California specifically has seen violent crime reduced by half since taking a strict gun control stance.

>>92786055
swedish media is censored, especially when dealing with asylum-seekers

they blew up crime stats so much in 5 years that the government RESPONSIBLE for stopping said crime stopped publishing crime stats identifying the suspects race, religion, and even name. News corporations (maybe with some state perversion) alter -- or at least publish alter photos-- the very appearance of the victim (blurring of face and lightening skin tones)

you have a very naive, underappreciated view of the first amendment to the constitution. europes government has less transparency than the US for all its faults. its why the militaries are such well-working mutual benefactors: US money funds militaries whose governments have no legal obligation to fess up to and can restrict the press from digging

>>92784725
It also completely fails to work (i.e. people are FORCED to get private insurance and always go with private healthcare, unless they like being crippled/killed) in virtually all of them.

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>>92785601

>>92775612
So as a student I'd be lucky to get a dry man-sized cardboard box to live in?

>>92786051
I was just saying "He lives here? This is a mansion!"

>>92786195
You're far more likely to be killed by cigarettes than Muslims by several orders of magnitude.

>>92786162
>tfw we're still so cucked by swedes that we've to take care of their coalburner mutts after theyve born

>>92785802
>America was the go-to dumping ground for all kind of barely human trash that used to populate Europe.
Actually that would be Australia.

America is the place where Europeans sick of serving under monarchies went to make a living in unknown territory.

>>92784245
>hating muslims is /pol/
Yeah sure. I'm liberal and I hate them. They're everything actual liberals should be fighting against and you forgot to mention that they blow up masses of innocent people at concerts because their shitty book says so. It doesn't have to do with "tribal mentality" just because /pol/ throws the word jew around. Most people couldn't care less, they don't want inferior cultures to destroy their own.

That said as a European I think Americans are paranoid and they should worry more about their own social issues rather than immigrants. You get more shootings from crazy people who are allowed to buy assault rifles at walmart than actual terrorists

>>92786246
really? its been less than half a year. good for them.

i'll stick with mine

>>92786189
theres nothing wrong with sucking cock anon, especially if you get to do it in his Mercedes

>>92786296
You can stop smoking. You can't stop being ~socially enriched~

>>92779437
Move to a small town like Stratford and work a factory job for a few years. If you're not a complete moron you could make lead hand in a couple of years.

>>92786251
>especially when dealing with asylum-seekers
uhhuh, how convenient that in the 21st century in the internet age that they can't take their complaints online into a more public forum somehow.

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>>92786246
when did they take a strict stance on guns and does it fall more sharply than the normal violent crime rate in the rest of the US, or at least other large states?

>>92786286
http://www.sfgate.com/realestate/article/Box-man-living-San-Francisco-400-rent-Berkowitz-7215269.php

Just tighten up your belt a little.

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>>92784033
>It's the year 2017
And you didn't learn from 2016 that stating the current year doesn't actually mean anything substantial in a political debate?

Also, you've seen how 2016 turned out. How can you be so out of touch that you're still defending violent backwards cultures that have tormented their local regions for so long, and are now increasingly spreading their horrible influence on Western countries too?

>Making sure that your government is looking out for you and giving your benefits when you need them
Some people believe in independence and personal responsibility, and they don't believe it's fair to expect other people to owe favors to you if you make poor life decisions.

>>92786312
Problem there is that "Muslims" are fine, but "the Muslim brotherhood" is a cancer on the earth that should have been dealt with before it started rather than letting it fester.

It's as if the Westboro Baptist Church somehow replaced Catholicism as the most populous form of Christianity

>>92786222
They were rather positive for it but quickly soured when they realized their own standard of living dropped. Poor Swedes have always been rather hostile but the middle class gladly supported the immigration since they lived in their own enclaves of wealthy people. The economy is fucked however so the government is forcing the wealthy middle-class to help more

>>92786296
Well I'm far more likely to get mugged, beaten, and raped by a sandnigger coming out of one of the restricted zones too than by a cigarette too.

That and you can stop smoking if you really wanted to but you can't make Akmed stop being a violent criminal since the media censors everything and makes it seem as though it isn't his fault for doing so.

>>92786384
why are you talking to someone who in all likelihood went to sleep and will not see nor acknowledge whatever points you raise

>>92786296
people dont protest over banning cigarettes though

>>92786311
ehh, dont over glorify it, those early 20th century immigrants were riding on the backs of the founding Anglo-Saxons, those potato-peelers and goombas can suck it, brought crime and pizza to this country

>>92786312
>That said as a European I think Americans are paranoid and they should worry more about their own social issues rather than immigrants. You get more shootings from crazy people who are allowed to buy assault rifles at walmart than actual terrorists
we can see whats happening over there and i intend to kept it this way.

the spectacle of a mass shooting is rather novel to you guys seeing how most other first world countries dont know the seduction inducing machine known as a gun, but our crime comes from the same place as you guys: minorities (and thats not inherently a judgement, it makes sense) except we also have a huge drug problem no one on capitol hill wants to even address

>>92786393
The religion is shit and Muslims cannot separate faith from state. There are entire passages in the Quran about telling lies to kafirs and pretending you're friends with them until you achieve critical mass and enact Sharia law.

There's a fucking plan laid out before our eyes, a very clear plan, and we're ignoring it because "it's just religion". It's not just religion when it substitutes itself to every single aspect of life. We should not allow this shit to run parallel to Western culture in our homes.

>>92786312
First off, if a criminal was going to arm himself with a gun, he's not going to buy it from a place with background checks and cameras.

Second off, you have a demographic that supports a religion that condones wanton violence and rape of innocent people just because they aren't Muslims themselves, yet you complain when the odd shooter guns down a public place when crime rates are actually going down.

>>92786315
>really? its been less than half a year. good for them.
Cali has been steadily expanding gun restrictions since the early 90s.

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>>92785947
Holy fuck is it even physically possible to move goalposts harder than this

>>92775331
>They're couch isn't against the wall

Wait, what?

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>>92786246
>>92786353
btw, historical data on homicides in the US.

>Evidence of long-term trends in the United States is obscured by the occurrence of three great surges of violent crime which began ca. 1850, 1900, and 1960. The last two upsurges are largely attributable to sharply rising homicide rates among blacks. A number of other Western societies show evidence of nineteenth-century declines in violent crime. The long-term declining trend evidently is a manifestation of cultural change in Western society, especially the growing sensitization to violence and the development of increased internal and external controls on aggressive behavior
http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/449082

>>92786441
You have to remember that, in the past, every major religion was like that, it's simply a matter of being able to advance with time

Islam has not advanced with time because the Muslim Brotherhood actively rejects the concept. Their ideology is more archaic than that of Suleiman the 1st

>>92785709
It should surprise no one that there is very little historical data from over 100 years ago. Nevertheless:

>To appreciate how violent the West was, we need to consider not only the annual homicide rate, but the risk of being murdered over time. For instance, the adult residents of Dodge City faced a homicide rate of at least 165 per 100,000 adults per year, meaning that 0.165 percent of the population was murdered each year—between a fifth and a tenth of a percent. That may sound small, but it is large to a criminologist or epidemiologist, because it means that an adult who lived in Dodge City from 1876 to 1885 faced at least a 1 in 61 chance of being murdered—1.65 percent of the population was murdered in those 10 years. An adult who lived in San Francisco, 1850-1865, faced at least a 1 in 203 chance of being murdered, and in the eight other counties in California that have been studied to date, at least a 1 in 72 chance. Even in Oregon, 1850-1865, which had the lowest minimum rate yet discovered in the American West (30 per 100,000 adults per year), an adult faced at least a 1 in 208 chance of being murdered.

https://cjrc.osu.edu/research/interdisciplinary/hvd/homicide-rates-american-west

The control of alcohol and firearms together is not some stupidity dreamed up out of nowhere, everyone has general - and the US has very specific - experience that the two do not mix well.

Not gonna buy that people in nightclubs carrying makes them safer.

>>92786336
the delusion of Swedish people is really a case study in macrosociology. it is confounding.

any perception you have of a brainwashed American gender-studies communist or KKK Grand Wizard Fox contributer is nothing compared to Sweden's cultural reaction to mass immigration. it absolutely ethreal. i cant even gather an appropriate synonym for google.

theyve turned themselves into South Africa by 2040.

it doesnt help that the media is legally allowed to lie to them >>92786251

>thread about a cartoon turns into libcunt vs republicuck shitpost war
HOLY SHIT YOU PEOPLE ARE FUCKING AUTISTIC

ITS A FUCKING CARTOON

>>92786504
see >>92786478
Once you get civilization running, instead of shitty "lawless" cities and towns where you can run for the hills and to other shitty frontier cities/states after commiting your crimes, things become enormously safe.

>>92783888
I have met people of many, many social classes and most of them think the exact same way; basically, everyone who is poorer than one is because he's a lazy welfare loving fuck, and everyone who is richer than one is a lying, cheating bastard. It gets to the point where if you talk about the rich they basically start spouting broken commie propaganda but if you talk about the poor they turn into anarcho capitalist caricatures.
The only exceptions I've found are the richest of my relatives who sometimes do that but then change to either crazy conspirations that "fuck over big businesses" to simply put "everyone is fucked and there's nothing we can do" and then some "it's all about mentality"

>>92786525
This

>>92786504
>Not gonna buy that people in nightclubs carrying makes them safer.

then what enforceable regulation could you enact to warrant making the entire nation 100% reliant on an already strained police force?
>No gun zone
>Uniformed guard present
what else would make murder more illegal?

>>92786624
>“America is the wealthiest nation on Earth, but its people are mainly poor, and poor Americans are urged to hate themselves. To quote the American humorist Kin Hubbard, 'It ain’t no disgrace to be poor, but it might as well be.' It is in fact a crime for an American to be poor, even though America is a nation of poor. Every other nation has folk traditions of men who were poor but extremely wise and virtuous, and therefore more estimable than anyone with power and gold. No such tales are told by the American poor. They mock themselves and glorify their betters. The meanest eating or drinking establishment, owned by a man who is himself poor, is very likely to have a sign on its wall asking this cruel question: 'if you’re so smart, why ain’t you rich?' There will also be an American flag no larger than a child’s hand – glued to a lollipop stick and flying from the cash register.

>Americans, like human beings everywhere, believe many things that are obviously untrue. Their most destructive untruth is that it is very easy for any American to make money. They will not acknowledge how in fact hard money is to come by, and, therefore, those who have no money blame and blame and blame themselves. This inward blame has been a treasure for the rich and powerful, who have had to do less for their poor, publicly and privately, than any other ruling class since, say Napoleonic times. Many novelties have come from America. The most startling of these, a thing without precedent, is a mass of undignified poor. They do not love one another because they do not love themselves.”

>Kurt Vonnegut

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>Be an Aussie living in Western Australia
>Our state experiences a mining boom throughout the decade
>Literally making hundreds of BILLIONS by selling coal to China and getting foreign mining companies set up shop here
>People start moving here, house pricing goes up
>Typical foreign investing of properties, older folks buying and flipping or renting them out
>Prices get high as fuck
>Mining boom stops
>property value drops almost 40% this year alone

Feels good man. I feel bad for the Sydney bros that gotta put up with $1 million + houses that are 5 KILOMETERS OUTSIDE THE CITY. Hope those prices come down soon.