How would you make the MCU better?

Stop recycling the same plots over and over again. Quit focus testing everything to hell. Not being afraid to throw some edge in every once in a while.

I like the MCU but the last couple entries have been pretty damn underwhelming.

>>92769561
Reboot it with stand alone movies. I just want a decent thor flick with decent actors. And no stupid fucking "they're aliens with alien tech", horseshit.

>>92769561
You can't improve on perfection


This is like asking how you can make DC worse it's just impossible

>>92769670
Fuck off, Feige.

>>92769561
How can a dinosaur stop a falling meteorite?

>>92769561
More tits violence r rated movies and no more origin histories, also crossovers with all the fox shit

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Increase quips

Force in more RDJ

Focus test it harder to kiddies

1 billion guaranteed at box office, kiddies and /co/cksuckers will defend it.

>>92769561
More women and minorities defeating white male villains

But the Russo Brothers were directors of Community and they made Winter Soldier which was super popular and good?

>>92769755
A fluke, anon. Besides, ripping off Solid Snake also helped.

>>92769755
"TWS was good" was just an inside meme.

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>>92769670
This is untrue, you could let Goyer direct AND screen-write the movies.

>DCfriends fw Whedon saves the DCEU.

>>92769561
there really is something big to be said about squashing the special snowflake directors' visions when you're making basically one movie stretched over 20 movies

not to mention most of the stifling was due to perlemutter

>>92769738
This

DC is close with their diverse teams fighting white villains and the sparing of female villains while killing male ones but they're stupid and their movies are terrible

>>92769755
>the one decent scene is a direct 1:1 rip-off from Die Hard
>MCU kiddies end up praising it as innovative as they were too young to experience the Die Hard movies

>>92769825
How is Winter Solider anything like Die Hard? Die Hard?

>>92769858
This it's a political thriller more like 3 days in the condo

>>92769561
Mmm... maintain the current directorial / writing standards, avoid caving to internet demands, instead, diversify the types of stories we tell, and increase the delve into our catalogues for more small heroes who we can make great through their unique tales. We've gone cosmic, we're solid for domestic, now maybe a little grit would be fine... Moon Knight is just begging to be the next film, and i'd wager we could do the whole thing and keep people unsure if it even was a Marvel movie the whole time.

Oh, and continue to embrace the Kirby, color and light are doing us right. Let's see if we can make some of our other signature artist's classic styles come to the big screen. I wouldn't mind seeing some McFarlane-esque spider-man as soon as we're done with Homecoming.

Anyway, keep a solid hand on the rudder and we'll steer this ship gently into the future.

And I'm getting sucked into a fan war thread. Great.

>>92769670
This desu

>>92769610
>>92769561
>tfw the "MCU movies are all the same" meme is everywhere but no one has produced proof

>>92769878
Congo*

>>92769903
You can just ignore this thread, Disney shill.

>>92769799
>Why didn't he open his eyes?
>He just didn't...

>>92769908
No, you meant condor.

>>92769858
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_v2zUJu2qo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqIBGEcKhGs

The TV-show cinematography might have you fooled but it's basically the same scene on repeat.

>>92769858
Don't Ever Bite Shitty Bait Like That Again

>>92769898
Nice ideas

>>92769914
>anyone I don't agree with is a shill!

Wew

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>>92769898
Holy shit Disney really does astroturf on /co/.

>>92769914
And lose a day's pay? Namely a cent

>>92769920
Right

3 days in the condor

>>92769940
You show up in every thread that criticizes the MCU to blindly defend it. If you're not a shill, you're doing it for free which is even more sad. At least shills get paid.

>>92769923
>slight similarities
>"the exact same scene"

>all to cover for a DC movie where someone gets pissed to death

>>92769923
They share one similar scene? I could understand when people say Dredd was like Die Hard because they share very similar settings but Die Hard only takes place in one place and is a basic terrorist plot while Winter Solider is a political thrilleresque. Its more in the vain of one of the Borne movies than Die Hard.

>>92769975
It''s not about being paid it's about loving great movies which based marvel has nothing but

>>92769975
>you show up on every thread
>everyone who likes something is one person
>/co/ is one person

You need to relax, mate.

Bring Coulson back to the big screen

It would be more hype than Thanos

>>92769997
>WS copies from everywhere
That's sad.

>>92769991
>slight similarities
You know nothing of film if you can't notice the blatant rip-off.

>>92770020
How new? There's an actual unabashed Marvel shill on this board that has the same exact posting style in every thread. One of his trademarks is calling Marvel "based" like
>>92770004

Why are anons incapable of comprehending the concept of someone liking something they dislike?

>>92770028
Well they don't copy from everywhere, it's just they are similar genres.

>>92770051
I wonder if he has enough self-awareness to realize how tryhard shill he comes off as.

>>92770043
>expecting a Disney shill to watch anything older than him

>>92770051
Note that the shill also writes without using caps or punctuation.

>>92770058
That's not what this thread is about. No one asked you if you like the MCU. Re-read the OP. This isn't your fanboy war thread.

>>92770043
Wew lad, that's a big one

>>92770051
Not new, I just don't come here often. I'm from /tv/. I like Marvel AND DC. Let us be friends!

>>92770090
>I like Marvel AND DC
Suuure.
>I'm from /tv/
Yeah, we noticed.

>>92770074
Why are you so defensive, OP?

>>92770090
>I'm from /tv/.
>I like DC.
You'really a cancer and need to leave

>>92770111
Why are you so angry for no reason, guy? Relax, maybe take a break from the internet. I can feel you slipping

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>>92769561
NO
MORE
TACTICOOL!

Also no passive agressive insufferable female leads or cringey "this is funny scene laugh dammit

>>92770130
>muh sekrit club

Why are you so triggered?

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What has the point where you decided enough was enough?

For me, it was watching Dr Strange and witnessing the audience forcing itself to giggle at the terrible word puns that makes no sense and requires you to accept these characters as quipbots for it to work. I sat there realizing what a hollow fucking product the film and by extension MCU is.

>>92770116
>>92770140
>>92770162
>LOL U MAD
Nice argument, bro.

>>92770244
The Beyonce quip killed the MCU for me.

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>>92770244
>>92770272
And the fedora.

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>>92770244
>What has the point where you decided enough was enough?

>>92769561
Without Feige the MCU would be so much shittier, you contrarians would be crying for him to return if he ever stepped down.

>>92770376
Ben, Polanski is till making movies. Why don't you go back to him and stop disgracing yourself?

>>92770409
Feige's only real "contribution" is overriding director vision with intense focus tests and design-by-assembly bullshit. The sooner Marvel fans speak out against him, the sooner we return on a better track. But maybe Disney as whole is the problem.

>>92770409
I'd rather capeshit be killed altogether.

>>92769561
Better villians

>>92770440
>design-by-assembly
*committee.

>>92770466
-of jews

If you're going to embrace other genres, (i.e. Dr. Strange is a superhero "horror" film), really allow it to be 50/50 instead of 80/20. Homogenous films mean they're eventually going to get stale in the long run. Now that Perlmutter's long arm is no longer choking the company, allow directors to flex their visions a little bit. A talking raccoon next to a Norse god is already going to look weird any way you slice it, so embrace the differences. Smash Bros. was able to mash aesthetics together, and that's one of the reasons that game is such a big seller.

Strong characters are key, but we've seen so many origin stories that it's starting to get stale. Have a time skip after the Infinity movies, so we can plunge into a world with multiple established heroes so you can try new story hooks.

On that note, let's see more teams. Thunderbolts would be a perfect choice, Young Avengers could have Kang, sky's the limit.

>>92770440
Oh, they will speak against him.
http://www.vulture.com/2016/10/kevin-feige-doctor-strange-marvel-casting-diversity.html

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>At this very moment, Joss is filming an extra 30 solid minutes of character-building Quippage to salvage Just-us League.

>>92769561

More quips.

>>92769878
Holy shit, people don't actually think this is true right? Like this is a meme?

>>92770244
Me too honestly. I'm not seeing Guardians and any MCU movies until Infinity War

>>92769898
>continue to embrace the Kirby
While putting a Kirby page on a wall is nice, that's hardly "embracing" the Kirby. They need to do way more.

Are there even any big marvel properties left that haven't been movie'd yet? besides X-Men, which is in the hands of Sony.

>>92769561

David Lynch gets to direct the next Hulk film

>>92771468
>people

>>92771621
Why not David Cronenberg? Oh wait, he thinks capes are shit

>>92769561
sell the rights back to DC

>>92769561
Tell some weirder stories on smaller budgets by hiring some better directors, producers and writers. Focus on single writer led productions wherever possible. People care less about big animation and effects than they do good writing and character driven plots due to the oversaturation of effects in the market, and good writing is CHEAPER. Use it.

Sell merchandise that people want: games and apps. A kid might not buy an action figure and their parents wont okay hundreds in microtransactions but they can get five to ten dollar mobile or pc games so long as they are good. Remember, they care more about story than graphics these days, and the same holds true for solid gameplay.

I would say some more "single character target" and "solid gameplay" mobile games, something that lets you fly round like iron man in the game, or augmented reality like pokemon go, or simple enjoyable physics games (help rocket racoon destroy the spaceship to get the loot!).

Similarly try and get a big budget call of war combat fps, a hero based quickmatch fps, a moba and some sort of simple, flashy, high randomness card game. Fuck maybe rent your games licenses to blizzard.

>>92772222
Branch out into more "global" heroes over the next ten years. Follow up Black Panther with an Africa team, create at least one movie with a couple of prominent European heroes and start building towards a full Asian team (focusing on china and japan because that is where the audience and "popularity" is but elsewhere too).

Help Sony make GOOD Spider-Man peripheral and centric movies in exchange for equal marketing rights and crossovers. Better to grow the brand than let them crash what could be a big earner over time.

Get ownership rights to the X-Men back so you can stop pushing the Inhumans and risking running the whole project into the ground out of vanity forcing you to foreground your own hyper sterile meaningless shakesperian game of thrones.
Make good X-Men movies, flesh out your existing heroes backgrouns with all the mutants you had to cut out.

Get "usage" rights for the Fantastic 4, Dr Doom, Namor the Sub-Mariner and the origional Human Torch.

Use them as background characters to build the MCU while allowing whoeverthefuck actually owns the rights to keep their own merchandising and even make their own shit movies if they want.
Maybe make a "flashback" Invaders movie with Cap, Namor and the og Human Torch.

Reboot your TV/streaming wing and bring it in fully with MCU canon. Stop focusing so heavily on New York, its not bad but does get played out faster as a program than as a comic.
Personally I would try and wrap Runaways, New Warriors and Cloak and Dagger into your new cannon if possible, give them enough budget to be worth it too.

>>92772222
>>92772256
Take full control over the comics wing before it crashes and burns.

Who cares what they do but get all your writers together to flesh out a comics storyline gameplan long term with what is happening in the next month, year, three years etc etc hammered out.

Have writing teams led by a single big name but subservient to an actual skilled editor with power to make alterations and corrections.

Let people take time to make and tell stories.

No more big yearly events forcing everything to drop what its doing and have tie ins. Smaller events of a few books, sure, maybe even everyone for a big once in a decade thing, but it CANNOT be forced to be reguar or people will get tired of it and your creators quality will be shit.

Have them also create on going MCU comics that are cannon to the movies instead of just wierd one of tie ins- let your comics and mcu writers fraternize and work together. Get that talent moving to where it works best.

Get a handle on ecomics and online content NOW. Get a Disney in house online streaming service that includes comics, cartoons, movies, ebooks even across all properties OR give it all to netflix, even the comics and have them handle the actual architecture.

Either way people need to be able to buy ecomics at the same time as if not before physical comics, trades too. And I am talking like kids weekly microtransaction allounce cheap, a couple of dollars a pop or ten, fifteen bucks a month for all you can eat. Get the full back catalog on there too.

Do it right and you could WIN the company war.

>>92772491
And those MCU comics, online e versions especially, should be FREE with a ticket to a movie containing the same characters.

>>92772491
We're already winning

>>92769561
>make the MCU better?
Financially? I'm not sure there's much room for improvement.

Quality? No more infinity stone like crossover elements. Stop making the characters the most generic likeable versions of themselves they could possibly be. Wider range of "non-committed" villains in lead henchman roles or as cameos. Some of the heroes actually fighting crime occasionally would be nice.

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>>92769561
>Gunn
>Waititi
>Shane Black
>Coogler
>C-rate television directors
>Everyone memed Favreau must've hated working on the MCU yet he's still around as actor and producer
>Still shitting on the Russos despite them proving themselves to be perfectly able to juggle with these AAA productions twice
>Still memeing about the MCU's lack of creativity when movies like CW still break conventions and expectations while for example the DCEU still struggles with coming up with an ending that isn't "and then they fight a CG monster"
>There's no tryhard attempt at grimdark so it must mean all MCU movies are the same

(You)

>>92772222
>>92772256
>>92772491
tl;dr

>>92772588
>Gunn
>Waititi
>Shane Black
Who?

>>92772588
>CW
>broke conventions

You're not serious, right? Literally avengers 3 except the last 10 minutes

>>92772823
So you admit those 10 minutes weren't expected? Glad we agree!

Although i guess "break conventions" makes it sound like a bigger deal than i intended

>>92769799
If Snipes hadn't been stopped from strangling Goyer on set, we would have been spared the DCEU

>>92772876
No, it just hasn't happened in the MCU yet. The ending was still predictable as hell from a movie perspective. It's just a big budget action flick. They don't even have the balls to kill off a main hero.

>inb4 Quicksilver
>3 minutes total screen time
>main hero

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>>92772972
Yes but you'd also lose Baneposting!

>>92772876
It was definitely unexpected


Most movies have an actual ending

>Anyone who doesn't hold a negative opinion on something is a shill for that company

Y-yoi guys actually aren't that autistic are you

>>92773021
>They don't even have th
Iron Man was dead in Avengers roughly the same amount of time from "Superman is Kill" to "look Superman's grave is shaking, he alive!".

>>92773021
...why did anybody have to die? You say it was predictable, maybe it became more obvious while watching the movie but pre-release most idiots were swearing it was going to end in a dumb fight against nameless gooks (like the other Winter soldiers that were set up as bait and switch) or that the airport fight was the focus and big finale

>>92773094
Why do you keep bringing up DC movies? This thread is about the MCU

>bring Evan Peters Quicksilver to MCU

>>92773120
Honestly the only thing in the MCU that has been unpredictable so far was the dance off in GotG(not in a good way either). Everything else has been pretty safe.

>>92773135
Why does it trigger you so predictably?

>>92773175
If by "safe" you mean "actually organize your movies instead of throwing shit in the form of Christian imagery at a wall hoping something sticks" then yeah, sure

>>92772588
My only major complaint with CW is that the whole airport fight sticks out like a sore thumb. Every other action scene in the film is straight forward serious and chock full of 9/11 imagery, and the constant snark from every character as they're fighting to the death breaks the tone a bit. Not to mention it's in the same movie as a guy getting drowned upside down in a sink and Iron Man's parents being mercilessly gunned down.

>>92773135
I know right, why don't they use something like the Bridget Jones cinematic universe as a comparison, that's much more fitting

>>92773197
Triggered? I was just wondering why you were going off topic. Do you have dementia?

>>92773220
It gets boring after a while. I thought they were taking a risk with GotG but as we saw with GotG2 it's pretty much just a new formulaic product.

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>>92773175
>Honestly the only thing in the MCU that has been unpredictable so far
Comic Superhero movies are not about unpredictable turns of events.
What was unpredictable in the Nolan Trilogy? The Raimi Trilogy? The Singer-verse?

I mean, I guess no one expected Superman to go all "GIVE ME YOUR FACE", but that was just awful.

These aren't suspense-thrillers.

>>92773363
Those series are over. This thread is about the MCU which is still going. Please stay on topic, fatass.

>>92773363
With the MCU I feel like I've already seen the movie before going in. You already know the villain is going to be a let down. You already know the heroes are going to argue. You already know Loki is going to decisive someone. Etc. Etc.

Give me something new already.

>>92773430
You're complaining about the MCU lacking things that have never been part of the genre.

It's like complaining that there's no GoT-style rape scenes in the Harry Potter or Narnia films.

>>92773430
>The DCEU is over
I wish

You're trying too hard to pretend wasn't made with pure shitposting purposes, there's no fucking topic, especially if you can't establish why the MCU needs fixing in the first place

>>92773481
>With the MCU I feel like I've already seen the movie before going in.
No you don't, or you wouldn't.
You would not sheepishly slink into a movie theater alone if you felt you'd already seen the movie.
Stop being a hyperbolic little pussy for a second.
It's not even Mad-inducing, it's just pathetic.

>>92773536
Calm down, pussy.

Yes, I do feel like I've already seen it. The thing is though, as medicore as MCU flicks are, they're surrounded by tons of even worse shit movies so it's not like there's anything better to watch on weekends they come out.

>>92772603
Make cheap "weird" risky movies with characters no one cares about lead by directors people do care about.

Since Avatar and the Star Wars prequels massive effects blockbusters are overexposed, people care more about good writing, stories and especially characters. Captalize on that, hire good writers and focus on single writer led projects like GotG.

Make GOOD videogames and phone apps people want instead of bad toys and tshirts/mugs/whatever no one actually wants. Marvel is excellent for something like a true MOBA like a marvel LoL/DOTA or Hero Shooter like a marvel Overwatch, or Hulkbuster FPS, or WW2 military game with marvel super stuff added.

Help the people who have licenses to marvel properties make good movies under the caveat that they are part of the MCU and you get crossovers

Bring streaming/televised content into the true MCU for certain. Build towards the expectancy of tv/movie crossovers.

Have Disney ASSUME DIRECT CONTROL over the comics if they can. Make them better, less author favoritism, better editing, more consistent art, no forced events.

START A COMICS STREAMING SERVICE. Maybe have netflix do it. But have it include the full marvel backlog AND new content as it is released, at the same time as physical release, available for a monthly fee like netflix, like 15$ a month for access to the full backlog with new comics for like a dollar each.

Please practice your concentration and reading endurance mr president, you are an embarrassment to us all.

>>92773563
Holy crap, he digs the Pathetic Hole deeper.
You should just go cut yourself.

>>92769561
More quips
More RDJ
More Scarjo
More Loki
More China pandering
Make Trump the final villain

>>92773491
>>92773517
>>92773536
Wow. You guys really don't like when people criticize your precious MCU huh.

>>92772547
Not really.

DC movies are shit but have enough draw to compete for your audience and you comic sales are getting eclipsed to DC, even comparing big crossover event sales to standard weekly comic sales, DC wins.

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>>92773590
You sound mad, Marlelbaby. Don't you have a new episode of Agents of Shit to watch?

>>92772547
>we
Disney is winning. Marvel is being sucked dry and left on the road to die.

>>92773601
I'll start caring about your so-called criticism when it'll stop consisting of regurgitated, tired memes

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>>92773566
>people care more about good writing, stories and especially characters.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

>>92773682
Maybe if you're seeing the same criticisms over and over, it's because it's a valid flaw observed by many people and not just a meme.

Faggot.

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>>92773639
1/10

>>92773714
You can go kill yourself now, sweetie.

>>92773698
>4chan contrarians
>Many people

>>92773751
Even my normie friends agree the MCU is getting stale.

Hell one of the general public's gripes with Spiderman Homecoming is that it's coming off as another Avengers movie in disguise.

Just some thoughts, not really any fixes
>Characters and their relationships
Whether its the Avengers, Guardians, or individual pictures. The characters have family dynamics with each other should have a level of nuance and stability.
RDJ as Stark was fine as a quipy ass that you can love but unfortunately the writers feel the need to try and keep everyone on the same level of humor as him.
Even in ensemble comedies like Arrested Development, the characters sense of humor and their usual jokes are different save for the inside jokes shared by the family unit.

>Tone
We talk about quips and comedy, which I think is great in GotG and would be perfect for Spidey, but there is a greater problem in the studio system where you have to apply to the largest audience possible as well as a lack of confidence that a superhero movie can carry more subtle themes.
However this system makes them money, and for something as expensive as the MCU films it is better to go with as close to a guarantee as you can get in film.

>Consistency
Perhaps keeping a consistent writers stable to work on these films, maybe pair up a screen writer and a comic book writer to maintain tone and consistency in the character portrayal.

>The Villains
Also relating to relationships, villains have always been such a vital part of the heroes relationships and with the exception of Loki I can't say that any of the villains introduced in the MCU have had any staying power nor have they left the impression to me that they'll definitely return (except for the obvious big bads)

All this said, I am in no way 100% correct in my theories and I am behind on some of the MCU films but I really don't have much intention on catching up.

>>92773794
I have yet to see anybody making such complaints outside of here

Also "my friends are totally representative of the general audience and totally exist and agree with my views" is another meme, try again

>>92773689
Dude that shows my point.

the F&F series has three things going for it: a hot family of characters going on adventures, action stunts and cars.

No massive cgi space battles or alien vistas. Tons of cool action that costed money for sure, but its no Avatar.

Its popular because the movies and the characters in it are well liked and cool. What makes a character well liked and cool? WRITING.

No amount of special effects or cgi can make shit characters and shit story and shit plot well liked and popular.

BUT good writing can make the cheapest movie good and popular if it gets groundswell and marketing, and cinimatic universes (such as marvel or f&f have the marketing and groundswell by default).

That said yeah, marvel could definitely use more stunt action sequences to go along with the hero vs hero and hero vs identical copy paste army/blue sky beam fights.

>>92773859
>Also "my friends are totally representative of the general audience and totally exist and agree with my views" is another meme, try again
And a sad meme at that.

>>92770244
>audience forcing itself to giggle

the had a hive mind?

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>>92773877
Wait.
Let me get confirmation here.
Are you saying that the characters in F&F are well-written?
Because I think you are saying that.

Am I the only one that really liked Strange? It's my favourite non-team up movie, so far, it's like Dr House with magic.

>>92773859
You actually think everyone outside if 4chan thinks the MCU if flawless? You're fucking stupid as hell.

>>92773859
Not him but my dad stopped watching Marvel movies after Iron Man 3 because "they're all the same"

>>92773859
>>92773896
Do you even have friends? Or do you only see MCU movies with your Marvel shill coworkers?

People are dumb but smart enough to criticize the MCU.

>>92773952
It was good for the first 30 minutes and then BAM shitty villain and ending with little payoff. Basically how every MCU movie has been since the Avengers.

>>92773978
The argument was never "The MCU: Flawless or not?", it was "The MCU is played-out, repetitive and in dire need of fixing".

Whereas apparently it's so compelling that people like >>92773563 feel obligated to pay to attend even though they know it will be suffering.

That's the opposite of broken.

Stop undercutting every emotional moment with a joke would a good step forward. It would also be nice to have some interesting villains (you can actually blame Feige on this point).

>>92773877
It's popular because Paul Walker died. Every fast and furious movies were shit on until he died.

>>92774054
Re-read my post. I didn't say MCU movies are suffering. They're pretty medicore and sometimes bad, but they have some good moments sprinkled between the quips and Beyonce songs.

>>92773952
I really liked it. Just hoped Mads' character would be more fleshed out, but Tilda and the general art direction were great

>>92773978
I don't. I just have an hard time believing it just so happens that every other movie is supposed to be the one normies get tired of, and constantly everyone has little stories to bring in as proof of that

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>>92774015
Oh wait.
Hold up.
I see the problem here.
The problem is, you think you are smart.
This clears up everything.

>>92774085
No one ever said ALL normies will get tired of the MCU. There will always be a legion of manchildren ready to fork over 10 bucks to see Captain Avengers: Iron Man 9: Infinity Shart.

The magic is starting to die off though, which is the point of this thread. I think Fiege should look into a rated R MCU movie, because Fox has proven it can work. Disney probably doesn't want to make $800m instead of $900m though.

>>92774083
>Beyonce songs

Again, you people try too hard. How do you expect to be taken seriously? You hear of a stupid complaint or trolling from whoever and then blow it up to enormous proportions. The perfect example is how during the release of GotG 2 everyone was crying about Pacman killed Ego on it's own because... he was Peter's spirit animal, someone put it like this word to word. You're drama queens

>>92774092
Why haven't you killed yourself yet, hun?

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>>92770023
With Daisy too, right?

>>92774168
Because they're shitty moments that take you out of the movie just to try to be funny. Especially during serious moments. Keep the tone semi-consistent for fucks sake.

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>>92774137
>The magic is starting to die off though, which is the point of this thread.
Where are the disaffected fans going then?
GotG2 is outgrossing GotG1, so what are the signs of this occuring, besides your steady autistic whining.

>>92774169
You've clearly bought into the Big Bang Theory meme.
Just because you are severely autistic doesn't mean you are hyper-intelligent.
Bazinga is a character played by an actor, and Super-Smart isn't a side effect of his character's autism. They don't naturally go together.

You are just plain old regular autistic. And RPing like a fat girl? is that what the Hun/Sweetie stuff means?

The continuity is amazing. He is avoiding the comic book wreckage going on with marvel currently. Keep him going.

>>92769561
every cape movie thread in a nutshell...

>DC makes a movie
>"WHY IS EVERYTHING SO EDGY WHY CAN"T THEY BE FUN LIKE MARVEL!"

>marvel makes a movie
>"WHY IS EVERYTHING SO QUIPPY WHY CAN'T THEY BE SERIOUS LIKE DC!"

>>92773945
Yes.

They are not smart. They are not complicated. It will never win awards for its writing.

But you know who the characters are. You know what they are doing. You know why the characters are doing what they are doing. It communicates to you what it needs to in a way that is entertaining. You can imagine a situation one of the characters has to interact with and how they might act in that situation. They relate to each other socially, who likes or dislikes who and how or why, who trusts or distrusts who, what they think each other capable of.

Compare and contrast a truly bad movie like Birdemic or The Room where you have NO IDEA what the fuck is going on at any one moment or really why it is happening or how that will effect later events because you dont know how ANYONE WOULD REACT TO ANY SITUATION. Movies where things just happen to service the plot, that may complicated, that may try to carry meaning or metaphor but collapses because at a basic level NOTHING ANYONE DOES HAS ANY UNDERSTANDABLE REASON OTHER THAN TO KEEP THE STORY GOING.

>>92776360
And it is that character interaction that is good writing that makes "team" modern movies really popular.

Pare that with a cool idea with a hook, some action, some stunts, a little flash at least and you have a movie that can at least make its budget back for certain, and THEREFORE can take more risks outside the characters and necessity of a three or four stunt action sequences and at least one cool set piece for the trailers.


F&F. GotG. Deadpool. Zootopia. Rogue One. Civil War. Fantastic Beasts. Sausage Party.

People are willing to watch a movie about a group of understandable but interesting characters doing cool things for a reason while they interact with each other.

>>92776494
But thats not the main point of how to "improve marve"l. Thats just how to make the improvements stick.

My ideas for improvements:

More creative risks while maintaining a core formula based around character interaction.

More movies designed to appeal to global audiences (predominantly asia, movies set in china or japan do great in china or japan, europeans will watch anything, americans will watch anything about an american) allowing more "new ideas" (risks) while building a safe core audience who WILL watch the movie. Look at hidden figures, or fuck, how well the kung fu panda series does in china.

More GOOD larger budget videogames focused on single purchase+cosmetic mircotransactions rather than pay to play and gacha/random draw. A Marvel Overwatch. A Marvel League of Legends. A Marvel Call of Duty. A Marvel Hearthstone.

Tie in comics that matter and are free online with a movie ticket, with a good easy to use phone app to access them, and to accses the full backlog of marvel comics to prepare the ground for movie based on those comics later on. If people have easy access to lesser known stories for cheap, they become wider known, and fodder for movies.

Cross polinate movie and comic writing talent but have both policed by skilled editors to maintain artistic quality and consistancy.

>>92769975
Are you upset wondy is going to bomb next week DCuk? All of the warning signs are in place so sad for you.

>>92769561
Kevin Feige is one of the good guys in the movie industry.

Also, it's been about a year since Feige booted out the Creative Committee and Ike.

Friendly reminder that it was Ike who ruined Iron Man 3, that it was the Creative Committee that was against having magic in the MCU

>>92772588
>>Gunn
known for B-movie level schlock and PG Porn.

>>Waititi
The man from Green Lantern with one film under his belt?
>>Shane Black
The only person who could make an amazing Marvel movie if not given notes from the studio that mangled it.
>>Coogler
Two entire movies before Black Panther.
>>Russos
TV episodes about a community college paintball contest.

>>92773021
Civil War was about the death of the Avengers as a team/family.

Making a character die would have made that character's team "right" by default and defused the conflict.

Death is easier to deal with than life.

> Marvel Studios is criticized for being conservative.

> Marvel comics is criticized for changing everything.

The MCU, with it's colorful fun, is much more faithful to classic Marvel (which was aimed at kids and teens) than the comics division which is aimed at manchilds and SJWs, and thus is joyless and dour.

They're awful films engineered for kids but for some reason have become acceptable for adults.

>>92773689

The Fast and Furious franchise is successful because of the characters being likable, which is writing.

It why - IMO - Fate of the Furious isn't that great. No Paul Walker/Vin Diesal (Brian/Dom) dynamic hurts it a lot more than most people think.

>>92779903

Yeah, but thus far there has been no real backlash from Civil War, and I doubt there's going to be any until Infinity War and then it'll be either handwaved away or the reason they milk two movies out of Thanos rather than one.

>Snyder has a meltdown about his daughters suicide
>decides hes tired of bringing dark and dreary films into the world
>whedon seeks to prove himself after criticism and decides to make more serious films
>batgirl is now full of people stretching their arms JUST LIKE JESUS IN THE CROSS
>snyder makes antman 3: Ant Misbehaving

>>92779883
Troma's not shlock, it's its own genre entirely.

>>92781127
Why are you using a girl's suicide to shitpost? Marvel fanboys keep hitting new lows.

>>92769561
Stop trying to make everything a connected universe. Have the film series be the film series.

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>>92769561
>How would you make the MCU better?

MCU JUST kill the Marvel comics

Killed with bad editorial decision
Killed with awful writers
Killed with awful artists
Killed with ...
An image is better than a thousand words

Why would I care about MCU?

>>92776646

Sorry, but this and the other "app based" expansions aren't only not actually ideas to make the MCU better, they're the kinds of idea I thought were good when I was 18, before I ever had a real job.

The MCU is already making money hand over fist, you don't need more ways to add revenue to it ultimately. Synergy with their comics is also just going to expand their worsening creative void.

Anyways, I love the MCU, and for "improvements," I'd probably just cut down any confusion from the Netflix/TV shows and try to establish some real cohesion. I agree that some characters are needlessly quippy, but I honestly don't see any flaws outside of it.

I think if you don't like the MCU, you're being needlessly contrarian, or aren't a cape fan. Nothing wrong with the second, but the first is lame.

Marvel is as culturally relevant to the world as Star Wars was. It's not that big of a deal if the new Star Wars movies aren't that great, the Marvel movies make up for them. There is already a generation where the MCU is as culturally relevant to them as Star Wars is to previous generations.

Star Wars did it first but they took a lot away from the initial magic with the prequels and a copy of the first film. The MCU is unprecedented in movie history. A shared universe like this has never been done before the MCU and until now the other attempts are nowhere close to be on the same level. In fact you could state that with the stand alone spin off movies Star Wars is trying to set up an extended shared universe for themselves.

Star Wars has 8 movies in their franchise and out of those 8, 4 are pure crap, 2 are mediocre and two ones are great. The MCU has 15 movies in their franchise. Out of those 15 there are 4 mediocre ones, 6 more then good ones and 5 really really good films.

A long line of planned out, linked films of generally very good quality is ultimately better than a saga that was made up as it went along and is about 50% turd.

>>92772588
winter soldier is well in line with Marvel's ideas about Shield and Nick Fury. watch the tv movie they made with Hasselhoff, it's the same style of stuff. it didn't really break conventions much when you take this into account.

>>92769561

MOAR MANLET MAN!!!

>>92770502
KEK I hope he blacks more characters like Valkyrie and Heimdall.

>>92771468
Mouseketeers are retarded.

>>92769561
>ctrl f "DC"
>19 results
Never change oscarlets

>>92779883
>one film under his belt
Four.

>>92769670
Low quality bait

>>92785381
more like High quality truth

>>92770020
Only two people post on /co/. Pan Pizza and Shill

>>92781362
Sue Storm's newer costume is far better than the absurd boob window, as is Gamora's.

Laura's Wolvey costume is too similar to Logan's.

I am not a fan of Wada's Wanda costume but it's way better than the bikini which is not even her classic costume.

You have a valid point about She-Hulk, though.

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>>92770244

GotG 2 started with a group fight, all guardians fighting together as team and yet they wasted the whole sequence on baby Groot, same later when Rocket and and Baby Groot were in Egos heart while the actual fight was happening out there. The MCU had its chance to changed and be more balanced like TWS but with Dr. Strange and worse GotG 2, its obvious the MCU is gonna get more cartoney and self-aware with every movie that is yet to come, its becoming like a parody of its earlier movies and the Thor and spider-man trailer make their best efforts to not prove me wrong.

>>92774259
GotG2 has only outpaced GotG1 by about $10 million, countered by $30 million increase in budget, and just got its tail end earnings cut off by Pirates 5.

>>92781362
Sue's cutout costume looks like fucking shit though. That's not her classic costume either.

>>92785459
GotG gets a bit of a pass since it's been an action-comedy from the onset. GotG2 just needed someone to take a pass at the script and cut the weak jokes. You could probably get a far better movie by cutting a few minutes off the finished product.

>>92785465
It'll add about 10% more to it's domestic gross over the next several weekends (this is pretty typical of major movies), and will do the same steady business overseas.
Unless they are pulled from theaters, movies like this make a steady income for about 13 more weeks from the opening.

>>92772588
>CW still break conventions

How shit one's taste must be to think of Civil Brawl as a "conventions-breaking film" I have no clue.

>>92785499

it had way more issues than that, like the whole Nebula plot only to shoehorn the already forced message of muh family, it worked well here and there but they overdone it as much as they could and shoved it on our faces, this movie was way more cheesy than the first one and most sad moments were destroyed by a quip or a forced joke. The only moment that really worked well was when Gamora wanted to go back to save Quill but Rocket stopped her, also when Drax was screaming "where is Quill?!", it worked because they went through with it, without forcing any joke whatsoever.

>>92785459
TWS was unintentionally cartoony at parts though. I mean it literally had that thing where the McGuffin countdown gets stopped at 00:01 that people have been parodying for decades, and the villain was wearing fucking black eye liner.

>>92785581
In the limits of the genre. Shitposters call BvS a misunderstood, brave masterpiece yet the movie didn't have the balls to have the titular characters actually fight each other, and not just because of a small misunderstanding

>>92785633
>the villain was wearing fucking black eye liner
Like the one in GotG. Is Disney saying that homos are evil?

>>92785662
Worse, it didn't have a CGI airport.

Hire some good writers who have nothing to do with the medium. Give them anonymity if they want. See what they can contribute.

>>92785831
Which medium, comics or movies?
Because they've sort of tried both.

>>92773566
>START A COMICS STREAMING SERVICE. Maybe have netflix do it. But have it include the full marvel backlog AND new content as it is released, at the same time as physical release, available for a monthly fee like netflix, like 15$ a month for access to the full backlog with new comics for like a dollar each.

Marvel Unlimited, an app they've had for years, costs 10 dollars a month,and has nearly their entire catalog going back from the 1960's to six months from the present.

>>92785831

Ta-Nahesi Coates was brought in an did okay stuff, except they expanded the Black Panther line too quickly.

Anyone talented comics up through Image comics and then gets poached by DC or Marvel. It's a tiny industry.

>>92785664
No, it's saying that Emos, or rather emotionally-driven are evil.

Which to be fair, it's true for Iron Manlet.

>>92769561
Have RDJ appear nowhere else until Inifinity War.

Crossover Spider-man with Daredevil, have Daredevil tell Spider-man that it isn't Stark's spider suit that makes the man.

>>92786119
>Crossover Spider-man with Daredevil, have Daredevil tell Spider-man
>and tell Spider-Man the same lesson he just learned in Homecoming

I understand you really want the MCU to acknowledge the Netflix shows but that's completely pointless.

>>92786202
Feige said that sooner or later there might be a crossover.

>>92769561
wasn't it because of man of steel and BvS proved that going your own direction proves it doesn't always work which is why people do all this focus testing?

>>92786436
Okay, that doesn't make your suggestion any good

>>92786451
I'm pretty sure Hollywood movies have been focus tested to death for a good couple of decades now.

>>92786451
You believe BvS wasn't focus tested?

>>92786594
Autheur-driven art films aren't focus tested :^)

>>92769623
>they're aliens with alien tech
But that's what they are in the marvel universe. This isn't an adaptation of the norse lore, it's an adaptation of the marvel comic.

>>92769726
Meh, still better than that DCEU embarrassment. What's funny is that, without Snyder, they're probably going to fuck it up even harder.

>>92769787
You operate on videogame references because that's all you know.

>>92786648
>>92786451
>fast food is the solution
Never change, shills.

>>92769561
I can't. I'm a med student, the MCU is shit and mediocre, but i'm not so arrogant to think i can do better. Only autist manchildren think they can do jobs they know anything about.

ITT: "big ideas guys"

>>92786757
>they're probably going to fuck it up even harder
The MCU? It already is.

>>92786791
>pretending your favorite brand of fast food is high cuisine

>>92786820
It doesn't taste worse than others though.
>MCUck loves fast food
Of course.

>>92786805
>The MCU?
You have the reading comprehension of a sea urchin, anon. Seek help.

>>92786791
this is what people like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ufj6CeqOTJo

>>92786834
What I'm saying, anon, is that the MCU is crumbling down, and it is not WB's fault.

>>92786854
>people

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>>92786830
>admits the DCEU is fast food and then goes "LOL MKEK FAN LOVES FAST FOOD XD"
Oh man, you are bad at this

>>92786854
I-is Dustin Hoffmann dying or something?

>>92786876
>What I'm saying, anon, is that the MCU is crumbling down
Disney made more money than any film studio in history last year, mostly thanks to their capeshit. I understand being a fanboy and all, but you're getting delusional.

>>92786878
>liking Marvel
>ever
That was your problem all along.

>>92786931
That's what they said in the early 90s...

>>92786955
Yeah the MCU relies too much on poster variants.