DC Comics in the 80s

Don't forget Morrison's amazing stuff like Animal Man etc.

LoSH is your biggest omission

It was a great time though

COIE is pretty overrated and the last two issues are pointless as fuck.

>>92753099
The last two issues are necessary for establishing how the continuity will work going forward. I honestly think more events need to take the time to lay things out when it's something that important.

The pointless part was all the early scenes with the tuning poles. Like I get that you want a lot of buildup for the "multiverse is gone" result but it is really odd when you reread it. So much detail put on that and it's just a minor explanation for how the merge happens.

>>92753039
DC had so many great books in the 1980's.
>Arkham Asylum; A Serious House on Serious Earth
>For the Man Who Has Everything
>Whatever Happened To The Man of Tomorrow
>Batman: Year One
>The Justice League (with Guy Gardner, Booster Gold, Fire, Ice, Blue Beetle, Martian Manhunter, Scott Free, and occasionally Batman)
>Animal Man (Grant Morrison's of course)
>The start of Niel Gaiman's Sandman
>V For Vendetta,
>Legionnaires/LEGION/Legion of Superheroes

>>92753224
>The last two issues are necessary for establishing how the continuity will work going forward. I honestly think more events need to take the time to lay things out when it's something that important.
No, that's what History of the DC Universe was for. Those last two issues are pointless and raise more questions than they answer.

>>92753039
Marvel forced declining dc to change. Dc eventually borrowed relatable characters which increased sales.

Plus new easy universe for new fans.

>>92753099
It's a reboot that actually explained itself rather than just happening, and it tidied up over 50 years of mangled wreckage and baggage. Name another major comic reboot that even comes close, you chucklefuck.

>>92753367
Just because of its influence doesn't mean the comic itself is any good.

>>92753247
>Hellblazer
>Vigilante

>>92753039
Vigilante is a great series, and it actually takes the time to show the very real kind of psychogical strain being a solo killer would take on a person rather then just being 1970's/1980's "man with gun can solve all problems" fetishization like the Punisher became.

>>92753309
I honestly don't agree. Seems like it explained all the major concerns about how people who had doubles would feel, who remembers what, etc.

What questions did you have raised?

>>92753367
Actually lein wein says the reboot nothing to do with history. But to put up sales.

Marvel already had more earths and alternative stories that sold more. Dc characters wasn't peoples cup of tea in the 80s

Nu52 simipfiled things the most.

>>92753247
>>92753039
Now here is the thing, as great as DC Comics were, Marvel's were arguably better in the 1980's:
>Miller's Daredevil
>Claremont's X-Men
>Byrne's Fantastic Four
>Walt Simonson's Thor
>Simonson's Fantastic Four
>Wolverine Vol 1 & 2
>The Death of Captain Marvel
>God Loves Man Kills
>Secret Wars
>Roger Stern's Spider-man
>Peter David's Hulk
>Byrne's Alpha Flight
>Spider-Man: Kraven's Last Hunt
>Moon Knight
>Squadron Supreme

>>92753455
It never explains why no one remembers the Crisis, for example, everyone just up and forgets about the multiverse for some reason. They're also the most death-happy issues in the whole event, which would go on to badly influence future events.

>>92753075
Were they wearing slutty outfits in the 80s?

>>92753039
In the 1980's DC saw what Marvel had been doing in the last decade or so and then GENUINELY did their damnedest to revamp themselves and modernize their storytelling methods rather then rely on bad Silver Age crap with the occasional Bronze Age gem here and there.

I know some people say the 80's was the beginning of the Iron Age/Dark Age of comics, but really I don't see it; 80's comics were more violent but they were also willing to talk about serious and relevant matters in a TIMELY fashion rather then address them as fads or social stuff that the increasingly aging and out-of-touch modern writers do.
The 1980's was the only true "Modern Age" of comics because it was the only time social relevance and intelligent writing was happening literally at the time it mattered instead of belatedly, and while there were many pointlessly violent and exploitive comics they didn't become the norm until the 1990's when everything turned into a crappy 1980's action film almost ten years after they fell out of fashion.

Not to say this was bad; I like a lot of 1990's comics just due to how terribad they are, like an Arnold or Stallone movie.

>>92753490
Honestly, both companies were at the top of their game.
The 1980's is as good as the big two comics are ever going to get pending MASSIVE changes in the industry itself; everything else is just the lousy leftovers that come afterword most days.

Bronze Age Best Age

>>92753527
They forget because technically it never existed for them and their memories had to self-correct to the New Earth history. They do remember a version of it that lead to the deaths of everyone, but it's not what actually happened.

>They're also the most death-happy issues in the whole event, which would go on to badly influence future events.

Debatable considering the obvious -illions of lives killed in the early issues, but fair.

>>92753075
I heard it was great. I've never actually read it though, I'll add it to the list

>>92753247
Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow is vastly superior to All-Star Superman IMO

>>92753367
>chucklefuck
Why did I laugh at this?

>>92753586
at the beginning yes

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Long as we're gushing about 80s DC:
>Tim Truman's Hawkworld
>Denny O'Neil's Question
>Early Vertigo

I liked COIE because it is likely the only example of a big cross over without bat wank in it.

>>92754219
The problem you'll find is that there's not a terribly great starting point. I guess where the name changes from just Superboy to Superboy starring the LoSH is good enough.

>>92754330
pffft

>>92753490
It was truly the Golden Age of Comic Books
Also it's the last decade that has that classic feeling artstyle that I love. Sort of Perez style. I wish comics would do that occasionally

Question fr you guys:
Do you prefer the Bronze Age 80s (1980-1985 or the Modern Age (1986-1990)?

>>92753484
regardless of why they did it, it still tidied up the history.

>>92754330
I agree with you anon

>>92753490
Nah, most of that doesnt come close to the DC stuff.

>>92753669
We went from silly nonsense to grimdark garbage, and the 80s fell right in the middle, striking a perfect balance.

>>92754552
I'm not sure if there's that big of a difference, might just be too small of a time period to really judge.

>>92753490
>Claremont
>Byrne
>good

>>92754590
I actually think that Marvel was at their peak in the 70s.

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>>92754693
(You)

DC turned around completely in the 80s considering how terrible it was in the 70s. Then it became terrible again in the 90s.

>>92754719
dumb frogposter

>>92754698
Marvel was at their most experimental during the 1970's.

>>92753750
Not only were both companies at the top of their game, but the underground comic book movement started to mature, and offer more than shock value, and promoting the drug culture.

Also, web comics were created, Will Eisner brought an academic integrity to the medium, the Kirby Awards started to recognize outstanding work in the field, and comics were started to be collected in a 'book' format.

The 1980's was arguable the best and most important decade for comics. Not just American comics, but European and Japanese comics too!

>>92754825
90's DC >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 90's Marvel

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>>92754693

>>92755349
>>92754825
90s DC
>Starman
>Hourman
>Morrison JLA
>Chronos
>Young Justice
>One Million
>Hitman
>LOSH

90s Marlel
>Spider-man
>X-men
>Punisher

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>>92755349

>>92754825
90s DC was the best.

>>92755566

>>92755496
Try again, shitposter

>>92754825
The 90's is the best decade of DC comics. It's not too much of a debate.

>>92756710
Better than the 80s? I have to disagree

Final list:
>Crisis on Infinite Earths
>Watchmen
>The New Teen Titans
>Ronin
>Perez Wonder Woman
>The Man of Steel
>The Dark Knight Returns
>Batman Year One
>Arkham Asylum
>For the Man Who Has Everything
>Whatever Happened To The Man of Tomorrow
>Ostrander Suicide Squad
>Swamp Thing
>All-Star Squadron
>The Killing Joke
>The Question
>Green Arrow
>Justice League International
>The Flash
>Hawkworld
>Wonder Woman
>Animal Man
>Doom Patrol
>Batman by Jim Starlin
>Detective Comics by Grant/Breyfogle
>Dr. Fate
>Superman/Action by John Byrne and Roger Stern
>Legion of Super-Heroes
>Sandman
>V for Vendetta
>Hellblazer
>Vigilante

>>92756970
All these great 80s runs were the baseline for the entire line in the 90s.

>>92757099
A lot of these are 90s comics as well.

>>92757099
Holy FUCK that was a great decade. How was Marvel doing at the time? Not instigating, I just don't know because I read 95% DC

>>92753039
>Levitz/Giffen Legion of Super-Heroes
>Giffen/DeMatteis/Maguire JLI
>Ostrander Manhunter
>Ostrander Firestorm
>The Heckler
>Slash Maraud
>Tailgunner Jo
>Ironwolf
>Sonic Disruptors

>>92755496
90s Marvel
>The Punisher
>Hulk
>2099
>Captain America
>Busiek Avengers
>Groo
>SMALL handful of Epic Comics minis
>G.I. Joe
>Transformers
>Conan
>Nocenti Daredevil
>Texiera Ghost Rider
>MAYBE X-Men until like 1992
>Fantastic Four at the VERY beginning of the decade ONLY when Simonson was still writing it

That's the only even remotely non-shit Marvel stuff from the 90s that I can think of, and a few of those are even debatable.

>>92756710
nah

>>92758374
She-Hulk

>>92757715
>How was Marvel doing at the time?

Marvel was even better. The indies were equal or better than THAT.

>>92753039
Marvel was better. First was best. Eclipse was OK.

What are the best stuff from 2000 onwards from both marvel and dc?

>>92754825

90's DC was great though

>>92757099
>>Whatever Happened To The Man of Tomorrow

I never liked this one and I think it's one of Moores weakest stories. Everything else in the list is great though

>>92758427
>Marvel was even better.

Why lie to the guy?

>>92758586
DC
>JLA (through the Kelly run)
>Superman (until New Krypton)
>Superman/Batman
>Morrison Batman
>Johns Flash
>Johns Green Lantern
>Johns JSA
>Hitman (technically was still running in 2000)
>The Authority
>Red
>Reload

Marvel
>Ennis Punisher
>Ennis Nick Fury
>Ultimate Marvel until it turned to shit
>Ostrander western minis
>Pak Hulk
>Morrison X-Men
>Whedon X-Men
>Brubaker Captain America (which I fucking HATED, but I'm including it because /co/ liked it and people would ask where it was if I didn't)
>Nextwave
>Secret Avengers
>Fantastic Four
>Marvel Adventures
>Ellis Moon Knight

>>92758743
Shooter era Marvel was basically the peak of the medium.

>>92758586
I liked most of JMS's Spider-Man run up until sins past
Astonishing x-men
Ultimate avengers and Spider-Man
Brubakers cap run
Iron man extremis
I liked the illuminati mini

>>92758809
I honestly have no idea how I forgot about planet hulk

>>92755496
Garth Ennis was on a roll in the 90s. Hitman, Preacher, The Demon, Hellblazer...

>>92753490
>>The Death of Captain Marvel
>cancer is sad!! so deep
fuck off

>>92754693
the hipest of hipsters

>>92758847
How is Ennis' Demon? People rarely talk about it.

>>92759205
Damn good.
It's actually the first appearance of Hitman, too.

>>92753490
No.

>>92758586
DC has been better since the 80s onward.

>>92758374
Thunderbolts

>>92754330

Ten years later, it felt really and looked dated, so that has gotten even worse. Some of that will naturally occur to ASS but it will be far less damaging.

You also really can't compare two plus sized issues with a 12 issue run.

>>92758427
Good bait

Speaking of the 80s, is The New Adventures of Superboy any good? Young Superman interests me, and I like the Silver Age click bait covers

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>>92758443
>I try to start company wars instead of contributing to the conversation

>>92757099
>another great anon recognises dematteis' dr. fate

Good. Good.

>>92762278
Another anon here. I'm about to start it.

>>92762328
Did you read the separate 4-chapter intro that's technically a different volume? (dc wikia categorises it as volume 1, both vol 1 & 2 are by dematteis). It's necessary.

Dematteis fate is easily my favourite cape story by far.

>>92762385
But of course.
>dat Giffen art
I wonder if Messner-Loebs' run is also worth reading?

>>92762519
Yes, very much so. Whole of vol.2 is spectacular. Dematteis part is better, okay, but all of vol.2 is great and worth reading.

80s was great at both DC and Marvel.

I'm more of a street level DC person so I've been getting O'Neil's The Question and Grell's Green Arrow. those are some fantastic books in the 80s

>>92762519
It's okay but nowhere near as good. Check out DeMatteis Spectre and Phantom Stranger runs too, highly underrated but very very good.

>>92762843
In fact, DeMatteis is usually highly underrated but very very good.

>>92762918
This is true.

>>92762843
I'd say it's more than okay, it offers a conclusion to the story, it has Shat-ru, some very great answers to
>how about superheroes using their powers to help people's daily issues instead of just fighting monsters

and very important developments for Fate in general.

>>92758292
If you're adding Slash Maraud then I'm adding Electric Warrior

>>92754421
This .

It is perfectly balanced.

>>92756710
>>92756970

Let's keep it going then
>>92755496
>90s DC
>>Starman
>>Hourman
>>Morrison JLA
>>Chronos
>>Young Justice
>>One Million
>>Hitman
>>LOSH
>Ostrander Spectre
>Ostrander Martian Manhunter
>Waid Flash
>David Aquaman
>Aztek
>Chase
>LEGION
>Waid Legionnaires/LOSH
>Puckett Batgirl
>Impulse
>Superboy
>Robin
>Reign of the Supermen
>No Man's Land
That's off the top of my head, and keeping most of the ones labeled as 80's comics that went well into the 90's off the list.

>>92763125
There isn't really any character wank in it, pretty much everyone gets their shit pushed in, right?

>>92753490
Most of them are just alright and don't come close to the British invasion.

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>>92763334
>he liked Robin

>>92754330
Not even the strongest Moore story. It was just an average imaginary story if you've already read silver age Superman.
Alan Moore's Supreme is vastly superior to his Superman work.

>>92762519
I actually liked WML Dr. Fate more than DeMatteis, I think he hit on similar themes but handled them better

i like 1980s DC. They were clearly trying anything to beat marvel.

some really creative stuff came out at that time.

Was Long Bow Hunters in the 80s? that was great too

>>92754825
90s DC>>>>>>>>>>>>>2000s and 2010s DC.

>>92762843
DeMatteis Spectre is one of my all time favorite books

>>92763955
Yep, 1987.

>>92763916
>He doesn't like Chuck Dixon's 90's Bat work

>>92763334
Add to it PAD's Supergirl and YJ, Batman adventures, Superman adventures, Waid's Impulse, Milligan's Batman, LotDK, Millar's Swamp Thing.

>>92764044
>Waid's Impulse
I can't stand the art.
>Millar's Swamp Thing.
WUT

>>92764055
Read Millar's Swamp Thing, m8. It's second only to Moore's. It was when Millar was good, even though I'm sure he borrowed a lot of ideas from Morrison.

>>92764088
>I'm sure he borrowed a lot of ideas from Morrison
This is what I think about Millar's good books.

>>92754698
sure they were at their peak, but it still doesnt touch the DC stuff of the time.

>>92758427
nah, most of Marvel's top stuff doesnt come close to DC

DC in the 80s even had a few non cape books. I remember a book about a boy living with a red alien, with Superman making a appearance.

>>92753367
What? It was an uneven reboot and a continuity cluster fuck at the time. They killed Supergirl for emotional impact back then and Byrne and Carlin basically said Fuck it to that and completely rebooted Superman from ground zero, while a lot of other books continued with gritty remakes.

>>92754698
List them, please.

>>92759178
Death of Cap Marvel was pretty mediocre IMO. The only salvageable book from their "Graphic Novels" line was probably God Loves, Man Kills

>>92763963
>2010s
Obviously, it was New 52 season
>2000s
Have you even read All-Star Batman and Robin?

>>92764925
all star batman has great art, but I'm not so sure about it otherwise.
It has some fun moments, like the yellow room one, but other than that, I'm very unsure on whether it's bad or good.

>>92764897
But also these:
Elric: the Dreaming City 1982 Michael Moorcock Roy Thomas P. Craig Russell
Dreadstar 1982 Jim Starlin
The New Mutants 1982 Chris Claremont
Star Slammers 1983 Walt Simonson
The Futurians 1983 Dave Cockrum
Heartburst 1983 Rick Veitch
Void Indigo 1983 Steve Gerber Val Mayerik
Starstruck: The Luckless, the Abandoned and Forsaked 1984 Elaine Lee Michael Kaluta
The Sensational She-Hulk 1985 John Byrne John Byrne Kim DeMulder
Greenberg the Vampire 1985 J. M. DeMatteis Mark Badger
Marada the She-Wolf 1985 Chris Claremont John Bolton
Doctor Strange: Into Shamballa 1986 J. M. DeMatteis
Daredevil: Love and War 1986 Frank Miller Bill Sienkiewicz
Alien Legion: A Grey Day to Die 1986 Carl Potts Alan Zelenetz
Dracula: A Symphony in Moonlight & Nightmares 1986 Jon J Muth
Emperor Doom 1987 David Michelinie Bob Hall
Death of Groo 1987 Mark Evanier Sergio Aragones
The Mighty Thor: I, Whom the Gods Would Destroy 1988 Jim Shooter Jim Owsley
The Shadow: Hitler's Astrologer 1988 Dennis O'Neil Kaluta Russ Heath

>>92764953
Decidedly meh

>>92753490
I'll give you X-Men,Daredevil,and Thor but the rest no.

>>92765782
She-Hullk Byrne is good tho

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what do you think /co/?

>>92765145
Some of those are mediocre genre fiction and Daredevil Love and War was a piece of shit, waste of Sienkiewicz art. Into Shamballa and Shadow are really good but Void Indigo is lame as fuck.

>>92753247
>LEGION
My man

I also really liked the Invasion! event itself

>>92767532
Terrible taste.

>>92767599
No.

>>92767492
This good kino

>>92767492
Saved. Good stuff hombre

>>92767559
LEGION, Legionnaires and Invasion are not from the 90´s?

>>92768048
LEGION started in 89, Invasion would have been there too. I guess they are more 90s than 80s.

I can't remember Legionnaires but the good part was definitely in the 90s.

>>92768048
Legionnaires started in 1994, but the Sw6 team popped up in the late '80s IIRC. LEGION started in '89 just after Invasion's conclusion. The event is more or less the team's origin story.

O'Neil Question Omni NEVER EVER