>Wanda commits genocide and kill half of the Avengers in the

The more Marvel shits on Cyclops, the more I sympathize with him.

>>92743112
Don't forget that it's Iron Man's fault the Phoenix was even in Cyclops.

On a related note, it's really annoying how from AvX on the Phoenix is treated like a villain.

>>92743112
First of all calling it "genocide" is a huge stretch. She didn't kill anyone, they were just depowered.
Second of all, only 4 Avengers died, and all 4 of them have already come back, 2 of them thanks to her.
Third of all, she was possessed and driven crazy.
Fourth of all, she wasn't actually forgiven by everyone.
Fifth of all, she helped bring the mutants back.
Lastly, people bring it up all the damn time, it's actually pretty annoying.

That aside, I agree that the criticism of Cyclops was way overblown.

>>92743293
If Iron Man hadn't done that, either Wolverine would have killed Hope or Hope would have gone Dark Phoenix.

>>92743112
It was Doom's fault. Didn't you read comics?

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>>92743372
The most annoying retcon and it came out of Not-Teen Titans.

>>92743368
>First of all calling it "genocide" is a huge stretch. She didn't kill anyone, they were just depowered.
The way she depowered them was shitty.
Like there were people with physical mutations she didn't fully remove, just the parts keeping them alive.
The girl with the really long neck had it snap
Anyone flying or swimming who depended on those powers suddenly plummeted to their death or drowned
Chamber lost his psionic furnace powers so he was just a hollow chest cavity and no mouth. He didn't die but only because he made it to a hospital in time

>>92743368
>First of all calling it "genocide" is a huge stretch. She didn't kill anyone, they were just depowered.
Mutants died because of that. And she committed genocide going by the meaning of the word.

>Second of all, only 4 Avengers died
So she killed 4 times the people Cyke did.

>Third of all, she was possessed and driven crazy.
So was Cyke.

Also, she was the one who went to Doom to begin with. She is to blame for her own naivety.

>Fourth of all, she wasn't actually forgiven by everyone.
She was. Was she ever punished for what she did? Isn't she part of the Avengers again?

>Fifth of all, she helped bring the mutants back.
Cyke did the hard job. She did the minimum.

>Lastly, people bring it up all the damn time, it's actually pretty annoying.
Which "people"? Rogue? And she is a bitch to Rogue because of that.

Scarlet Bitch needs to pay.

>>92743488
The X-Men still hate her. In the X-Men: No More Humans OGN they wouldn't even let her set foot at the JGS, so she had to sit outside with her brother while Magneto, Cyclops and Emma were allowed inside even though at the time they were still on the outs with the rest of the X-Men.

>Cyke did the hard job. She did the minimum.
Literally nothing Cyclops did helped bring the mutants back.

>So she killed 4 times the people Cyke did.
Since you count the people that died because of Wanda depowering mutants, you should also count the people that Cyclops killed when he started fucking with the weather and causing earthquakes.

>>92743482
>Like there were people with physical mutations she didn't fully remove, just the parts keeping them alive.
>The girl with the really long neck had it snap
Notice how all those deaths come from the same fucking one-shot.
All other writers had mutants completely lose all traces of their mutation and becoming normal, but one writer arbitrarily decided that some mutants would still look like mutants even though they lost their powers, which made no sense.

>>92743564
>The X-Men still hate her
Wow! Bitter motherfuckers, aren't they?

>they wouldn't even let her set foot at the JGS, so she had to sit outside with her brother
Life is hard, huh?

>Literally nothing Cyclops did helped bring the mutants back.
No phoenix = no mutants
No cyke = no phoenix

>you should also count the people that Cyclops killed when he started fucking with the weather and causing earthquakes.
No one was harmed.

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>>92743642
>No cyke = no phoenix
Wrong. The Phoenix was coming anyway. If it had been up to Cyclops, Hope would have become the host and she would have either gone Dark Phoenix or gotten killed by Snikt Bub.
When Cyke got the Phoenix, he didn't bring back the mutants at all. It wasn't until Hope got the Phoenix after the Avengers trained her and she REJECTED it with Wanda's help that mutants came back.
Mutants came back in spite of Cyclops' actions, not because of them.

>>92743692
God knows what the Avengers would have done with the Phoenix Force if Cyke and the X-Men didn't have fight them. Even with the resistance, they broke the thing. Without the resistance, they could have repelled it, and then the mutants wouldn't come back.

Scarlet Bitch still didn't pay for genocide.

>>92743788
>Scarlet Bitch still didn't pay for genocide.
She was possessed, it wasn't her fault. Deal with it.

>>92743788
Or the Phoenix Force would still have gotten broken and ended up in Avengers instead

>>92743293
>the Phoenix is treated like a villain.
you mean like it was in the 80s.

I think people are forgetting that Scott was right for the wrong reasons and the Avengers were right for the wrong reasons. If they wanted the x-men to now look bad they shouldnt have had them mind rape the avengers and throw them in a hell

>>92743817
Cyke was possessed.

Bitch simply reaped what she sow.

>>92743150
I've never liked Cyclops, so the more marvel shits on him the more I smile.

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AvX just highlights how retarded Bendis is.

On House of M, when Wanda is having a crisis, they invite the X-Men on a fucking sit down meeting to talk about what to do. Coz you know Wanda was still a mutant back then and what better way to address the issue then talking with fucking MUTANTS about a MUTANT problem.

But Bendis decides in AvX that the best one to ask about the Phoenix is the murdering manlet psychopath who's had a long grudge against the person who was once the husband of the girl he cannot have. I guess those nights in the mansion where his enhanced senses lets him hear and smell Jean getting pounded to delirium was too much.

"My name is Steve Rogers and instead of asking the leader of the mutants who has an ex wife as a host, a daughter in the future whos a host, who's son from the future told him that Hope is going to bring back mutants as a host, who's current squeeze has some experience as a host, imma ask the stinky manlet instead coz reasons"

Bendis should be thrown off a helicopter

>>92743962
Cyclops didn't know anything about the Phoenix that Wolverine and Beast didn't already know.
Cyclops was gambling the Earth's survival. Don't forget all those planets that the Phoenix Force was genociding on its way.

>>92744136
yes but cyclops had a gut feeling that the phoenix a cosmic force was coming to earth solely to make more mutants

>>92744319
Cyclops also welded the San andreas fault, he's kind of an idiot.

>>92744136
>>>92743962 (You)
>Cyclops didn't know anything about the Phoenix that Wolverine and Beast didn't already know.

Bullshit. Cyclops and Jean literally has a mind link with each other.


I know plenty about Carl King but it wouldn't be the same knowledge his wife has.

>Cyclops was gambling the Earth's survival. Don't forget all those planets that the Phoenix Force was genociding on its way.
Those planets are not the Earth and doesn't have Earth muties. Never has the PF ever harmed Earth. It has a symbiotic relationship with it

>>92743112

Wait for a new Wanda Thread, get this baby retard garbage yet again.

Why aren't the X-Men, and X-Men fans, holding a grudge against Doom? It's canon it was his fault, so start accepting that.

>>92744915
>Dumb person asks obvious villain for help
>it is surprised when the bad guy is the bad guy

Wanda is either a bitch that committed genocide or someone too fucking dumb to be a hero at all.

You're part of the problem, retarded waifufag. It is because of you that Marvel makes shit retcons and let Wanda got away with genocide, while Scott is Hitler.

>>92745002
Are you forgetting all those times that members of the X-Men have asked Magneto, Mystique, Sabretooth, Mr. Sinister or fucking Apocalypse for help? Like that time Angel became a Horseman on his own free will?

>>92745002

Marvel shouldn't ever be inflicting that kind of damage on heroes that leaves them broken, hated, and impossible to use, be it Scott, Wanda, or anyone else. Start holding the writers and editors to account.

When someone offers a retcon that absolves them, grab onto it and never look back.

But for whatever it's worth, people team up with, or work alongside Doom all the time, because he can normally be relied on to keep his word and play fair. I don't see how turning to Doom for help as a last resort is dumb, but taking on faith that a cosmic entity that's destroying entire planets, is coming to help you, is sane and reasonable logic.

>>92745002
You do know what a genicide is, right?

>>92745426
>I don't see how turning to Doom for help as a last resort is dumb, but taking on faith that a cosmic entity that's destroying entire planets, is coming to help you, is sane and reasonable logic.
Since Scott made the right decision with the Phoenix while Wanda genocide people for believing in Doom, it is very clear why one is reasonable while the other is dumb.

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Muties eternally BTFO by based Wanda

>>92745002
Is Spider-Man too dumb to be a hero after that pact he made with Mephisto?

>>92745639
Spider-man's action led to the death of an entire race? Did he act like a bitch for that? >>92745581

>>92745563

Cyclops had no way of knowing for certain what would happen when the Phoenix reached Earth. No way at all. It was a leap of faith that eventually worked out for him. At best, he was right for the wrong reasons. He gambled the fate of the entire world on hope and faith that the Phoenix would save his people. That's hardly reasonable for everyone else living on the planet.

And for the people who suddenly had their entire lives ruined by being turned into mutants, especially the ones who gained disfiguring, uncontrollable, or useless powers, it's hard to argue that this was a good decision.

Equally, it's hard to imagine how anyone going to Doom for help would reasonably expect to get caught up in a plot to reduce the mutant population. A plot to attack the Fantastic Four, now that would make some level of sense.

>>92745773
His son from the future gave him hints that the return of mutantkind was close, and it was related to Hope. When he heard that the Phoenix was coming, he just added 2 and 2. And he. Was. Right.

Children's Crusade is terrible through and through, and even then, " I couldn't imagine that the bad guy would do bad things" is a terrible excuse that makes Wanda a dumb bitch.

>>92745773
Scott knew from Cable that the Avengers (well, Wolverine) was going to kill Hope. He HAD to take the chance on Hope controlling the Phoenix to prevent that apocalyptic timeline.

>>92745291
So you're gonna ignore all those times the X-Men relied on bad guys >>92745291

How many second chances have they given Mystique?

>>92746175
Meant for >>92745907

>>92746203
Of course it is dumb. It is bound to go wrong.

And it went. Shame on her.

Next time you want help, try asking a friend instead of a crazy dictator who is always up to something.

>>92745291

Or that time Wolverine became a Horseman of his own free will, to stop Sabretooth becoming a Horseman because he was afraid that would somehow have been an existential threat to all life on Earth?

Or that time Gambit and Sunfire became Horsemen of their own free will?

Or when Colossus became an Acolyte of Magneto?

Or that time when Beast turned to every evil genius on the planet to beg for help saving mutants?

Or how they keep giving Sabretooth and Mystique chances to join them, and the keep inevitably betraying them and killing people, and they never, ever learn to stop trusting them?

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>>92743112
Hey, why talk about those lame mutants when you could be talking about the coolest, most fetch heroes on the block, the Injumans!

>>92746309

Children's Crusade certainly has it's problems, but this wasn't as bad as you make it sound. Turning to Doom for aid was clearly a last resort, Wanda's friends had already proved to be of no use in helping with her lost children, nor with what had happened to her husband, for that matter.

The other Avengers all seem to have just accepted it all and moved on like nothing had happened. The real reason for their behaviour being "blame John Byrne".

>>92746348

Attilan Strong, remove mutie.

>>92746416
>Turning to Doom for aid was clearly a last resort
She has to assume the responsibility for that. You got burned when you tried to make a pact with the Devil? Who would have thought?

Anyway, she still did way worse than Scott, she has way more responsibility for what she did than Scott, and School receives much more shit than her.

>>92743482
>He didn't die but only because he made it to a hospital in time
Which really was still all kinds of bullshit, really. Even with a hospital, he should have died.