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>>92732783
We have a full video of the Meet & Greet with Nefcy in Mexico

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bme4NT7FleE

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>>92732783
A visual guide to wondering what the fuck that purple entity is in the teaser

>>92732783
>joke about an entire Moon flashback episode
>Nefcy actually fucking does it

I'm scared, guys, what if Nefcy actually gets ideas and uses one of the "magic goes away and Star and Marco are separated forever because the entire show is actually a metaphor for growing up" greentext stories?

>>92733649
If we're going to have an ending where Starco is separated forever, I want it to be like Samurai Jack with Marco's existence being undone.

>>92733669
>show finale writings credits
>co-directed by: Genndy Tartakovsky

>>92732783
>>92733564
Moon deserved a better kid than Star.

>>92733692
Sta turnedr out the way she is because her deal with the "devil" to stop Toffee was to sacrifice her "firstborn" to him. Star is fated to go evil.

>>92733649
I mean, the show's more about how "being responsible, mature, self-sufficient, and confident" is the key to growing up. Magic usage isn't what's impeding Star's journey to adulthood, it's her hedonism, laziness, and egotism.

>>92733717
Lucitor Sr: In exchange for the power to smite our shared foe, you must promise your firstborn daughter's hand in marriage to my son, Tom.

(A decade later, Tom spergs. Hard)

Lucitor Sr: yeah, let's uh, let's call that off.

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>>92733564
>wand gem corrupted by black goo

hmmm

>>92733717
Star is part of Moon's darkest spell, and makes Star half evil/darkness. Original title of show was Star and the Forces of Evil. Also explains how Rhombulus sensed evil on Star.

>>92733864
https://wwe.youtube.com/watch?v=5_ylSxGVyng

Star: Marco, am I a bad person?
Marco: Star, what the heck just happened?
Star: Am I, Diaz?!
Marco: (wags palm at her) Eh.

>>92733717
Then why wasn't she affected by eclipsa's chapter?

>>92733921
She was already as evil as she needs to be.

>>92733921
Because she's already half evil/darkness.

>>92733921
The dark magic takes over the "weaker"/more innocent person who reads it. Can't taint what's already tainted.

Or more accurately, it just gets the first person to see it. Marco saw it first so Star was unaffected. Ludo saw it without anyone else there and was left open to possession.

>>92732783
Moon selling her soul to Magic Satan was the best promo this show's ever done

if they focused on the lore/darker shit for more of the ads etc. the show might actually have a better reputation among the "well I don't watch it but let me tell you all about it" crowd

>>92733921
Presumably she was already tainted but didnt see the appeal at the time?

>>92733964
>Presumably she was already tainted

That didn't save Ludo.

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>>92732783
>I call the darkness unto me
>From deepest depths of earth and sea
>To blackest night I pledge my soul and crush my heart
>To summon forth a deathly power
>To see my hated foe devoured
Fucking metal

But I'm still going to laugh if it turns out Moon literally sold her soul to a demon for a spell to kill an immortal, and she fucking whiffed it.

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>>92732783
Nefcy has compared Toffee to Magneto, as a villain who has a point but goes about things the wrong way.
Other crew members have alluded to or directly stated that Moon and Toffee have a sort of tragic history.

What sort of relationship do you think they had before they became sworn enemies? Or did they know each other at all, beyond the battlefield?

I don't buy into the romantic angle, it's too weird with too many problems even beyond the weirdness.
I'm predicting that Toffee was representing his clan (or even monsterkind in general) in some sort of diplomatic mission to the Butterfly Kingdom, trying to negotiate a lasting peace with Mewmans and/or earn monsters better treatment or a recognized sanctuary outside of the Kingdom. Princess Moon would attend these meetings, and they went on long enough that she came to respect and sympathize with him and monsters in general. Maybe Toffee even had his own children around Moon's age.
Of course, this would end with the Queen and King double-crossing Toffee somehow. Things get ugly quick, most of the monsters are slaughtered, but Toffee obviously survives and strikes back with a vengeance, leading to the death of the Queen.
Young Queen Moon is bound by duty and honor to defend her kingdom and family, in a conflict they started against people who just wanted a chance at a better life, from a once good man driven mad with grief for his own loss and the rage of betrayal.

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>>92733717
Like it says in the book, we are blessed and cursed.

>>92734196
What fuckig book, Smoke?

>>92734130
The spell gave her Star

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MURDER ME SENPAI

>>92734265
>yfw the spell is actually a way for Queen Eclipsa to escape her prison.

>yfw the movie shows the merpeople and they happen to have neon streaks in their hair and wear seashell accessories

>>92733669
That's not tragic enough, though.

I want each of them thinking the other have disappeared out of existence, where in truth they're just irreparably separated.

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>>92734366
Nefcy: oh but Jackie totally isn't a mermaid

>>92734366
That wouldn't happen because it would require Jackie to be important and interesting, and she's neither

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>/co/ I'm really really excited! You guys are the best!

>>92734366
>the merpeople is oddly incredible at skateboarding

>>92734366
She's not a mermaid senpai. Better start giving up now

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>>92734168
My impression of Moon and Toffee and whatever their potential relationship was keeps changing every time we get more information. Still not quite sure where they're going with it.

I do think they definitely knew each other outside of the context of battle; Moon apparently almost crying at the end of the spell during the promo (and in the "Demon Buster" poster) confirms it for me. But I've always hoped it wasn't romantic and I'd like to think the teaser we just got implies it wasn't-- Moon seems really young there.

Definitely my first reaction, around Into the Wand, was that Toffee had been killing Butterfly women for a while and Moon put a stop to it by threatening his immortality and seemingly stopping any threats for the next few decades.

Then comments from the crew and stuff made me think Moon was at fault in the situation as well, somehow, and even that possibly Toffee wasn't as much of a psychopath as depicted in the tapestry. They were friends or diplomatic allies once, Moon maybe couldn't live up to higher ideals she may have promised him in the past, and Toffee's possibly justified reaction ultimately led to Mewman-Monster Accord stuff making things worse and him plotting revenge ever since and abandoning his original cause.

The teaser is definitely more hardcore about the "darkest spell" than I was expecting (somehow I didn't see it as a specific thing but just almost like dipping down fueled by hate), with some sort of dark contract with likely deeper effects, and seems to project that Moon may have been wrong in this decision and that it was not a good move for anyone involved.

I think your prediction is convincing in that it probably will be a combination of neither one being totally the victim, maybe both of them even killed someone, etc. Also I guess Toffee would've been a diplomat from Septarsis and that the history of that is related too, but though they've set a lot up it's hard to tell how it all fits together.

>>92734488
Until the show says specifically otherwise you better get used to what Is a popular theory with lots of circumstantial evidence

>>92734527
But nefcy already said she isn't, she'd remain silent if it was a possibility, but she denied it.

Face it, Jackie has no interesting backstory and there are more interesting things already going on. She will be dropped.

>>92734629
Jackie is a water nymph instead.

>>92734629
>creators have never lied before
I'm betting that it was one of their original plans so that Jackie seemed more interesting, but got dropped along the way.

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>>92734501
WHY THE FUCK DOES A SHOW FOR LITTLE GIRLS HAVE DEEP LORE?!
I came here for fun random times and a show to relax to!
Not something that would keep me up all night!

>>92734629
>But nefcy already said she isn't
Wait, where did she say this?

Genuine question, I am behind on all new developments beyond "new OP for S3"

>>92734692
Nefcy showing how it's done.

>>92734629
probably mewni seafolks are not called "mermaids"

>>92734693
around 13:40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bme4NT7FleE

Since the potential for Moofee is going to be forever quashed, will that stop all the goddamn MonStar posts?

>>92734748
>well, I like the theory that she's a mermaid, but she's not a mermaid
>she's not magical
hmm

>mewni seafolks are not called "mermaids"
in the book, Star do warn not to call them "Seaples"

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>>92734748
Did she say "we'll get into her a little more" or am I mishearing?

>also tfw she's a "Venice beach girl" and you'll be staying in Venice beach next month

>>92734796
No, because autists gonna autist.

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>>92734798
I SENSE A LOOPHOLE

>>92734796
Honestly if anyone here is into Moon/Toffee the time between now and BATTLE FOR MEWNI is probably the best time to make as much art etc. about it as possible before the premiere changes everything.

Also I wonder if Toffee's supposed to be Moon's age. Like even giving him a different actor in the flashback like Moon has. That'd be weird as hell, I hope not

>>92734796
Don't you realize that once a meme gets going, it slowly gets detached from its origin and obtain its own personality, history and identity.

You know, like a certain...frog.

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>>92734130
It's mostly rhyming iambic tetrameter

>i CALL / the DARK / ness UN / to ME
>from DEEP / est DEPTHS / of EARTH / and SEA
>to BLACK / est NIGHT / i PLEDGE / my SOUL
>and CRUSH / my HEART / to SUM / mon FORTH
>a DEATH / ly POWER
>to SEE / my HA / ted FOES / de VOURED

me/sea is just a normal end rhyme, but soul/forth and power/devoured are slant rhymes.

>>92734748
At what point were the merpeople ever implied to be mermaids? You're taking what you're hearing too literally

>>92734958
the chinless face of moon the undaunted

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>>92734980
She gave all her chin to Janna

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>>92734980
that was the price of her darkest spell

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>>92732783
"You know, River? After all those years of war and turmoil, losing my parents, having to tap into dark, eldritch forces to achieve victory against a ruthless foe that nearly exterminated our entire race, and all the logistical problems we had to deal with in rebuilding the kingdom (not to mention the attempted coups), I genuinely believe that our little Star here is going to make everything better for us.

"And if I happen to be wrong, which seems to be happening NON-STOP as of late, well, that might just twist my locks into a bun so tight that it will wring out whatever fleeting remnants of joy I have left! But tut-tut, we must be optimistic."

>>92734841
why the fuck are you staying in Venice beach?

>>92734483
get out jackie this is moon time

you've had your character development rations

>>92734692
Most of us wanted this shit from Gravity Falls, and it kinda disappointed us.

This show's actually going through with it.

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>>92735055
>i got like 2 scraps of bread crust and Marco ate most of mine
>please, I'm so hungry...

>>92735055
You will all regret this when turns out S4 is Jackie's time to shine, as she became possessed by the Mermaid Matriarch, who notices the hollow space in her heart after the breakup with Marco.

>>92735063
Don't get too happy, still so many chances for this show to wreck itself

>>92733769
Good thing he's not as crazy as his kid.

>>92735103
They already made one right choice by refraining from promoting Jackie to the new main cast with the others

>>92735103
rebellions are built on hope

>>92735103
Nefcy actually likes her job though, unlike most show creators

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>>92732783
"Star, you're the worst decision I ever made."

>>92735117
That was a mistake actually. Taking a known character to replace them with someone who's barely been in three episodes was stupid

>>92735117
>said the starcuck

>>92735145
>Well, mom, then I'm going to be the best worst decision you've ever made

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>>92735150
why would Jackie go to Mewni and how would she be useful?

she is barely friends with Star, and probably not friends with her at all now that she literally attempted to steal Jackie's boyfriend. She had no powers or knowledge that could prove useful on Mewni. So why is leaving her behind a mistake again?

>>92734692
>Show for little girls.

>featuring light and darkness drama, romantic disasters, ancient monsters, and someone sayin 'YOUR MOTHER IS A HORSE!'

Are you sure you know what 'little girls show' means?

>>92735226
arguable that the season 1 target demographic was little girls

>>92735198
Because Marco should want to bring her, or she should at least want to try and help, because she's been shown to like the interdimensional stuff before, particularly in Bon Bon. The fight against Ludo and saving star was "the best dance she's ever been to".

>>92734961
In S2E02a
>Did you know that if you cut off a mermaids tail, you can never be queen?
And Star specifically had Tiffany there to cut off her tail, a merperson/mermaid. The reason mermaids as a kingdom are referred to as merpeople is because the later is a gender-non-specific term. Whereas Tiffany (actual mermaid) or Jackie (if the theory is true) are female so they would be both mermaids and merpeople.

All mermaids are merpeople, not all merpeople are mermaids.

>>92735261
So /co/

>>92735293
I mean, /co/'s average mindset is Veruca Salt..

>>92735103
I'm not one to praise things before they air but I think it's fine to commend them for stuff like starting S3 right out of the gate with Toffee backstory/motivation stuff and Star apparently actually fighting some goddamn forces of evil for once, not to mention not pussying out of the Mewni setting

This show in particular seems to have a weird fan attitude about it being praised. Got shit on before it aired, got shit early in the first season because everyone thought it'd never have lore, when people praised it in the first season they'd simultaneously have to temper that with pointing out its flaws, now when it's actually legitimately good everyone seems to expect it to totally fail

I mean if it does turn out to be shit then I'd also start bitching about it. Just feels like it's okay to praise shows sometimes, you don't have to keep predicting its doom every time it doesn't fuck up. Or something

>>92735083
Yeah, but then she'll be a villain and we can hate her for a reason.

>>92735265
anon they are like freshmen in high school, you saw what the average dance was like, its not very hard to be better than that while still being a lame night

>>92735072
>please, I'm so hungry...

Bitch you're borderline fat for a reason, stop stuffing your face

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>I call the darkness unto me
>From deepest depths of earth and sea
>depths of earth and sea
>earth and sea
>earth
>not mewni

>>92735343
I understand that mindset, I really do, but I do not have an optimistic mindset.

I suppose I'm just wary of people saying "oh man this show does lore so good" when it doesn't feel deep lore enough yet.

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>>92735132
HIRSSSCHH

>>92735348
The point wasn't that she thought other dances were fun, the point is that she found the fighting fun

>>92735369
Nefcy has said it's all on the same planet, see the Meet & Greet video here >>92733293

It happened when someone asked whether they could travel to Mewni by spaceship.

>>92735369
implying that dirt cant be called earth

>>92735399
same universe* not planet

>>92735371
I don't think I'm particularly optimistic either really (try to go into new episodes as neutral as possible), but right now I like what I've seen and heard about the S3 premiere.

Maybe a better way to put it is that sometimes it feels cyclical when threads get into arguments about how the show could fuck up, long before it actually does. Not that it's a bad thing to speculate; just things like the endless talk about Jackie being removed gets old when we haven't even seen a minute of the new season

>>92735398
no my point is there is a lot of room between being better than any dance she has been to and being fun

>>92732783
So what color lantern is that character becoming?

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STARCO IS CUTE AND PERFECT!

CUTE AND PERFECT!

>>92735421
No, she EXPLICITLY says they're on the same planet, skip to 18:50.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bme4NT7FleE

It's just different dimensions.

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Did we talk about Tyler's post already?

http://imtylerchen.tumblr.com/post/161107429699/ive-been-directing-on-star-vs-for-season-3-the

>>92735575
I watched that video recently and I think she just fucked up there.

Not checking it right now so this isn't totally accurate, but she says "planet" than a bit later reacts like she fucked up and really meant something more like "universe." Or at least I got that sense the way she later said "the same place" like she couldn't think of the word.

Either way it sort of fits that, just like the characters in the show don't seem to know how their own setting works, neither does the creator apparently.

>>92735575
Sure but I seriously doubt that's what she meant.
It wouldn't fucking make sense for everything to be in the same fucking planet

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>tfw River is a good husband and loving father and really just a great guy all around but you can't help but want the possible tragedy of a failed Moonfee backstory

>>92735616
>>92735575
Okay, watched it again and I can kind of hear both interpretations. Like she thinks they're literally separate dimensions, but even though she says "planet" at first I think the way she keeps saying "the same space" is closer to what she meant.

Like they all exist in the same timeline, as opposed to something like the alternate realities. I'm not sure she meant they're literally all different Earths though; more like they're in the same general level of existence but dimensionally separated.

Because there's pretty much no way how, if you can cut to anywhere from anywhere, the other place just happens to be in the same spot on the same planet at the same time as you. There's more travel going on there than that (also places like the Bounce Lounge/underwater kingdoms are obviously physically removed)

The show itself seems to more consistently treat it like a universe, or else 99% of characters are using "universe" incorrectly.

>>92734692
It's on XD so it was never exclusively for little girls to begin with

>>92735369
Mewni is the kingdom, not the planet

>>92735103
There's a big difference between the production of Star vs. and say, GF or Korra in that the creator actually likes her job and the network isn't fucking them over

>>92734001
Ludo isn't really evil hes just a bad guy

>>92735732
this.
Ludo is just a man who has had unfortunate choices and events in his life

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>>92734748
>vid at 9:50
Apparently Nick produced a 1-minute OG Star short that we'll never see.

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>>92735828
I'm hoping we will some day. Nefcy at least probably has a copy.

I'm really more interested in the 10-minute (I guess) Disney pilot that got the network to give her the green light for the show we have now. Features Star, still voiced by Eden Sher, Marco, Ludo and the monsters, and I think Star and Marco's parents and some Mewni stuff.

I can't imagine what the one-minute Star short would even have as a plot.

What I want to know is where the heck was River during Toffee's original attack?

>>92735226
Those are all things that female viewers tend to like. I know you want to pretend you have elevated taste but the reality is different

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What did he mean by this?

>>92735894
He was the ground force.

>>92735905
MARCO IS TOFFEE IS MARCO

>>92735905
that fans still get way over hyped by small promos and we are probably gonna get let down because of it

>>92735905
its gonna be the exact words Marco says to Star after he comforts her that she will always have friends in her life like him, janna, jackie, Starfan13, Ponyhead, and more

>>92735731
Network is actually the reason we have Star Vs as it is instead of Clarence with a girl

>>92735905
STOP TOYING WITH ME

>>92735905
does he do anything besides marco?

>>92735905
Ripped straight from Kingdom Hearts

>>92735226
Disney treats it as a little girls' show, I think that's what he meant

>>92733293
The biggest thing I got out of this is when Nefcy says "everyone expects Star and Marco to get together in the end and live happily ever after. And that's not a story."

>never shipped anyone in 28 years
>first pairing that I enjoy seeing on screen
>really want them to get together
>they don't

I'm still watching this show but this bums me out.

>>92735226
>>92735899
My little sister hated it. I think the main demographic is for teens and teenagers, what do little girls know about puberty and John Kents.

I'mean a different person BTW.

>>92735948
I think she meant having them get together right away and then just 4 straight seasons of them being the perfect couple, instead of the relationship drama and communication problems etc, going on now.

>>92735947
>Disney treats it as a little girls' show
Do they?

>>92732783
Can I get a quick rundown on Tyler Chen

>>92735937
Yes, which is why we admire the time he dedicates to his fans despite his other responsibilities.

>>92735948
I think she was talking about them getting together immediately and thus removing any drama like a Disney movie or something because that's not interesting

>>92735043
Can't a brother have a holiday and not get judged for it?

Don't listen to him OP, you do you

>>92736001
He's been around since the first season and wrote/boarded Marco Grows a Beard and Starstruck solo
And was involved with other boarders on Collateral Damage and Starcrushed as well

And of course some S3 episodes we haven't seen yet.

>>92736000
I'd say its marketed in a gender neutral way but its primary audience is female. Doesn't mean older people and males can't enjoy it. Honestly, people shouldn't worry if something is marketed towards them or not unless it involves biology they don't have

>>92736004
The guy is really only a bit actor and has don't almost nothing but commercials. This is the first role that's actually given him some measure of fame and he likes to milk the attention since he's never had it before

>>92735198
>why would Jackie go to Mewni
She did say that she wanted to spend the summer with Marco and if that translates to traveling to an interdimensional medieval society to save a princess, then she's coming along too.

>And how would she be useful?
Might as well be asking would characters like Janna and Kelly be useful on the battlefield too.

>>92736201
well we saw Kelly fighting a giant dog demon or something earlier

and while I don't think Janna would be useful in a fight she probably has way more useful occult knowledge

>>92732783
The last scene is kind of lewd

>>92736245
And Jackie saved Janna from magic rats and surfed on a flying manta ray in the first season. Trying to say she couldn't fill a combat role is weak

This show really blew up since last year, huh? A 22 episode season AND a movie? I guess Disney's really pumping money into this one.

>>92736353
Technically the movie is part of the season, just 4 episodes aired together.

Though the fact it's said to be all one story arc might mean Disney has more faith in the show becoming more serialized than it may have in earlier seasons.

>>92736136
>Milk the attention
?

I don't really keep up with everything that goes on as much as some people here, but would you really say he's milking it?

From my "average" perspective he just seems really into everything, the show, the fans...
Though I'm totally down to be proven wrong here

>>92736560
He's an actor trying to promote his brand. I don't fault him for it but I know when someone is milking attention from fans just so they can grow their profile and he fits the bill. As I said, I don't blame him, guy did nothing but sporadic commercial work before landing this gig and he's trying to get everything ha can from it

>>92736693
Ah, well hey, if it makes the fans happy at the same time, it can't be all bad

Young Moon is going to be the new waifu

>>92737237
>not waifuing moon before we see her young form
Take a look a this niggah

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>>92737237
>Young Lady Avarius will be new waifu
FTFY

>>92737296
Prime Lady Avarius lewds where?

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>>92737339
not yet

>>92736353
It was low-key even after the shift towards it being more story-oriented, and even with a strong showing of season 2 building up the story. It is not until the Cuckening happened that people begun noticing the show and it blew from there.

>>92737237
Young Moon has been my waifu ever since we saw her tapestry. Something about her color scheme makes her a superior version of Star

I'm not sure about her voice though

Why has nobody drawn Beefcake Young lord Avarius

>>92737431
her voice is extremely attractive

>>92737441
Because we have no idea what he looks like.

>>92737431
Her voice is great.
Her cheeks are great.
Her wand is great.

>>92737431
>a superior version of Star
That's because she isn't a little shit that fucks things up. I assume if she was the MC she would be a tsundere ojousama hybrid that would need some defrosting because her duties as princess and queen prevent her from enjoying herself, which is of course a great part of her character as an adult.

Silver hair and bangs covering her ears is cute too.

>>92737237
fuckin DUH! Can't wait.

>>92737486
Her chin is great while it lasts.

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>Hey Anon! Wake up! Its me, your bestie, the one and only Star Butterfly. Hurry up and get out of bed, Mr and Mrs Diaz are doing an interpretive dance routine and they're absolutely killing it! Oh yea, and there's pancakes. C'mon sleepy head, rise and shine! Time to get up and attack the day. Oh... you're not wearing any underwear. Huh? Oh, you wanted me to leave? Hahaahaaa sorry Anon, my bad. Oh...umm... My sister might swing by tonight. Around midnight or something. She seemed really excited to see you again. hehehe. See ya later, big guy.

>>92737552
Fuck off with your rolepaying you autistic fucking faggot. You are not Star, you are not Marco, you are nobody. Kill yourself.

>>92734994
Gee Janna! How Come Moon Lets You Have Two Chins?

>>92734130
>whiffed it
"Have you learned nothing?"
sounds like she does

>>92737521
>tfw we probably won't see her softside in the "movie" because she'd be too busy fighting Toffee
Why do monsters ruing everything?

>>92737614
Toffee's words are probably in the present day after Moon goddamn has Star do the same spell again on Toffee but fucking fails.

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>>92737441
>>92737451
We have this

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>>92737667
And this!

>>92737635
it's a hard life being the only character in the show who consistently does things right

>>92737614
>>92737635
>it's directed at Moon but is a reference to Star
>yfw Toffee mocks Star to Moon's fucking face for being a complete pathetic failure of a daughter and heir to the throne of Mewni, indirectly saying Moon is a failure of a mother as well

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>>92737592
Hey dude, why don't you contribute something instead of forcing dicks into your face everyday on an internet message board. I'm glad sub human scum like you don't bother me anymore. Would you like some more?

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>>92737692
And this!

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Drawfriends, r8 this
how fucked this pose is?
is it safe to continue?

>>92737713
How about you eat a dick and stop attacking other people on the internet with you grotesque roleplaying you fug.

>>92737726
looks a little bit stiff but nice tho

>>92737756
damn, gotta redraw that shit

>>92737667
>>92737692
>Avarius' then
>Avarius' now

What the fuck happened?

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I can't believe this is fucking real

Starsitting is too good

>>92738085
Her failure of a son. Same reason why Moon lost her chin: her catastrophe of a daughter.

>>92737392
This. The Cuckening put the show on the map because it created porn opportunities and created shipping wars, lifeblood of any cartoon

>one month for two hour movie

>Then another two months before S3

The agony is real

>>92738088
It's the cutest episode

What do fans have against the first season of the series?

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All right, I've finished the stuff to fill the bingo board up with. For now, anyways.

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>>92738374
And here is the board itself.

I might need to come back and change a few things, but I've wasted enough time for now.

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>>92737843
>>92738088
cute stars makes my heart go giddy

also starsitting is so wholesome

>>92738353
There was no deeeeep lore, and sometimes the humour didn't feel great.

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>>92737552
>Oh yea, and there's pancakes.
im on the way

>>92738353
>What do fans have against the first season of the series?
It wasn't as good, and turns away a lot of potential viewers.

>Low-quality animation
>Spotty writing
>Confusing pacing
>Less story/lore
Pretty much the only thing S1 did better than S2 was having an active antagonist for Star.

>>92738353
It's not so much the first season as a whole but that first half was not that good. It felt like it was just gonna be a lolsorandom cartoon about some dumb bitch getting into trouble.

Also the Ponyhead Episode was garbage and a bad first impression

>>92738353
I actually really like the first season, but:

-feels a little too episodic outside of the Toffee stuff-- maybe some more past events/moments could have been acknowledged in the actual dialogue or plots instead of just in the background animation details
-it maybe wasn't the greatest move putting all the plot episode 2/3s of the way through the season. maybe starting off with a smaller plot (Star getting a bit better with her wand and trying to live up to the Butterfly history? iunno) would make it more obvious it actually does have continuity and greater plots beyond one episode
-Alfonzo and Ferguson
-Brittney
-way too many Ludo appearances early on that follow the same formula
-Ludo was kinda shit too then, and though that was the point by the time Toffee showed up, at first it was literally all they thought to do on the villain side of things
-shoehorned action scenes in every episode for the first half of the season
-Pony Head appearing in the second segment/first episode gave a lot of people the wrong impression she's a major character, which isn't a great move for a character who's written as a bitch
-The Other Exchange Student is such a generic cartoon episode premise and barely has anything to do with Star being magic; other early S1 episodes were similarly a little too mundane
-animation studio switch can't be blamed on the crew but is kind of disappointing
-humor seemed to miss more frequently, episodes could also be a bit more meandering
-not too many attempts at emotion or deeper character moments in the first half-- I'm not saying go full drama, but they sorta played Star like a wacky joke machine for a while
-maybe they could have tried for more lore too, rather than having to establish a lot of it retroactively based on some of the dumber stuff from 1

That said, I could write as many reasons for why I really like Season 1. It was just kind of a rough start that looks worse after S2

>>92733717
RIP Sky

>>92738633
RIP your deviantart-tier meme.

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>>92738662
Hi, alcy

Are we gonna get a "In the name of Mewni I will strike you down!"?

>>92738617
The Other Exchange Student was great tho.
I agree on Ludo fights, they could have avoided one or two.

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>>92734366
>and wear seashell accessories

>>92738687
I actually do like the episode (not as much as others that season but it's not bad). Actually it looks better now too because it sets up Star's tendency to get jealous.

It's just weird that it has so little to do with Star being magic when that was the entire premise early on.

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>>92738617
>-Brittney
>-The Other Exchange Student is such a generic cartoon episode premise and barely has anything to do with Star being magic; other early S1 episodes were similarly a little too mundane
>this taste

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>>92732783
>Purple and blue ribbon magic... sounds familiar

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>>92738680
Still hope Alcy dies of aids for throwing stones in glass houses while acting smug about it.
>>92738633
Hey, Riverposter said he'd continue to update, so all is not lost just yet Anon.

Guys I've had a distressing thought.

What if they solve the whole thing with Toffee during the movie?

That could leave season 3 without a main antagonist.

Or they could pull a He-Man and we learn that there's a Hordak to Toffee's Skeletor.

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>>92738853
>>92733564
>>92732783
>Purple
>Hand
>Evil
...Maybe?

>>92734867
Shadilay man, shadilay.

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they see me trollin'
they 'mirin'

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>>92734446
she never said anything about her being a half-mermaid

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>>92738776
Brittney would've been an okay character for original Star to deal with but I'm not sure the magical princess needs that kind of Earth antagonist

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>>92738953
>that toffee

>>92738617
>-feels a little too episodic
I had the exact same feeling.
I watched the very first episdoe when it came out and thought it was going to be another episodic cartoon with little or no continuity. Having just experienced Gravity Falls, I felt this was a let down.

Couple of months later I am bored and decide to take another look at the cartoon and I marathon the whole of season 1.

How could I be so wrong?!

Well the first episode made it easy to think that way.

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>>92738894
Considering Ludo-Toffee is part of the new intro that's pretty fucking unlikely.
It's far more likely that Toffee wins big-time, again, and the justification for Star & friends going on adventures while Toffee is threatening her home is that she won't have a home anymore.

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>>92738989
That picture reminds me that Star and me would be best buds who like to swap saliva on a daily basis. Cause that's how good of friends we are. I think its a testament to our friendship that she can sneak into my room at night and cuddle me until she has to scissor jump back home before anyone else wakes up.

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>>92739074
Starfan13 get off the laptop

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>>92734206
Same things make us laugh

makes us cry.

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>>92739063
>"-feels a little too episodic"
> /co/mblr loves /co/wboy bebop

>>92739065
I didn't see Ludo-Toffee in the intro.
All I remember was Marco wearing a cape, Tom was there and I think Janna too?
Meh.

>>92738894
I kinda dig the idea of there being an even bigger bad behind Toffee. Maybe someone who's a reverse-evil Glossaryck?

>>92738853
That's green and pink though

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Jashi trash here, hope you guys don't get swooced like we did.

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>>92737296
she already is

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>>92739180
Loffee was near the end riding the spider and being flown by the bird
the bigger bad is Eclipsa but she is not a bad woman

>>92739223
It was the greater good my friend, the greater good

>>92739279
>Moster loving
>She is not a bad woman
I want all these monster cock lovers to leave

>>92734168
I get the feeling they're going to pull a Skeletor/He-man scenario where the villain is the bastard child of the royal family and makes a bid for the throne he thinks he's entitled to.

We got Eclipsa who ran off with a monster and there is no guarantee the monster in her portrait was her lover and not just some servant of hers so she very well could have hooked up with a lizardman.

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>>92739584
t. tiny cocked mewlet

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>>92739584
Monsters deserve love too

>>92734867
S H A D I L A Y
A
D
I
L
A
Y

>>92739609
The rough kind or the rougher kind?

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>>92739609
Sure! Would you mimd lining up any monster you can find?
I have a love surprise for them~

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Janna is an undead mermaid

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>>92739654
Monster love is tough and tender

>>92738776
For the show that Star vs. became, Brittney is not really that great. There is literally nothing to her mean girl character that we haven't seen in that archetype, hell, GF was still airing when Star vs. started so we literally had Pacifica on another show to prove this

He's right about Other Exchange Student being super odd about not having anything to do with magic or really anything to do with S1 at all

>>92738894
You know the movie is the first 4 episodes of season 3 right? It's not like season 3 is being put on hold

>What if they solve the whole thing with Toffee during the movie?
Nah

>>92739786
You could say the same for the banagic incident and several other non magic episodes

>>92739173
Not all episodic shows are equal. Especially ones that don't look like they won't have any substance initially.

I mean I used to hate Kids Next Door as a kid when it started because it just seemed like a really creative show that followed a tired premise of hurr durr, adults are evil, but boy was I wrong

>>92739939
Yeah, that's why I don't really like the Banagic episode and not many people do last I checked

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>>92739705
look in your heart anon, you know monsters deserve just as much love as mewmans do.

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>>92739607
Kill yourself

>>92739976
Monstar is gay

>>92739939
Banagic Incident at least has her thinking it's "Earth magic" and more important than it is.

But Star suspecting Gustav in the first place isn't that type of thing; it's her being suspicious because he's obviously lying and being a creepy fuck. It just feels like the kind of story that could've been done with any character in any cartoon.

Banagic Incident was the worse episode though, but its premise feels more in line with the series.

>>92739786
(possibly Star Comes to Earth), Party with a Pony, The Other Exchange Student, and likely Quest Buy appear to be the only (non Bisignano with Hammersley) episodes that did not have scenes redone by the directors and/or Storyboard Supervisors

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>>92739995
Maybe, maybe not.

Results of Daron's favorite non-Marco male character poll:

some loser demon guy 41%
Toffee gets fucking ROBBED at 30%
Fat Bag of Garbage 20%
Toffee's Puppet 9%

https://twitter.com/DaronNefcy/status/868155593978241024

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>>92739985

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>>92739995
doubt.jpg

>>92740043
>Ludo so low
Well this is very unfair, and I didn't even vote for him.

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>>92740111
>he sees your barbed wand

>>92740043
>no ferguson and alfonzo
trash man, trash

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>>92740043
>no River

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>>92740043
>Marco
>male

>>92740182
they sure are

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>>92739607
>>92739609
>>92739776
>>92739976
>>92740026
>>92740111

>>92740182
No one likes the fat fuck and the jew

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>>92740274
Uh oh...

>>92740274
>Have you learned nothing?
What do you think it means? Maybe they are meaningful words that Marco tells Star because she keeps on dodging her problems?

Why does everybody want to see River cuckolded so bad?

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>>92740366
nobody does you big autist
Monstar =/= river cucking

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>>92740226

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>>92740388
How about an AU where River IS the lizard monster and father of Monstar

>>92740359
How are you in the movie thread, but managed to fail to watch to movie promo? Toffee says it. To who is unknown, because you know all these trailers are full of manipulative editting and shit, but probably Moon.

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>>92740420
maybe someday, but not now

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I'll just post this in preparation for the movie.

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>>92740398
TOO FAR

>>92740388
I ironically ship River and Monstar.

>>92740517
And by ironically I mean unironically.

>>92740446
Yes, I know. I'm just wondering why Adam said them too.
Maybe in later episodes Marco repeats those words to Star since the crew loves to relapse on some things.

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>>92740502
Is it?

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>>92740388
>>92740517
This
Just means River has an extra concubine to take when he kills Toffee and makes Moon his woman.

>>92740562
You're a miracle worker, anon.

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>>92740517
Accept your fate.

>>92740559
That would be pretty fucking dank actually.

>>92733921
Marco and Ludo were affected, Star wasn't.

The only logical conclusion is that it has no effect if you aren't evil.

>>92740711
Marco and Ludo are weak minded and willed
Star arguably isnt.

>>92733771
In-ter-esting

>>92740853
Where is that from?

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>>92740711
Or if you were already a demon

>>92739609
>>92739976
>>92740026
>>92740111
>>92740300
>>92740569
So the shitposting has started early.

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This thread hurts

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>>92740919
Please don't bully

>>92740919
We were getting pretty far now that there was something new to discuss. 30 seconds just isn't enough

What's the worst?
Monstar?
Sky?
I still feel bad about suggesting Monsky

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>>92740919

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>>92741222
Table Star

>>92741222
Monstar has way more fanart, but Sky as a concept is funnier.

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>>92741181
>30 seconds
15, even

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>>92732783
>he TV movie follows Star as she returns to her home dimension of Mewni where she discovers that magic is disappearing throughout the kingdom. Star must dig deep and challenge arch-nemesis Ludo in an effort to save her family and kingdom.
Oh. So I see they will be takign the Reddit and Meme approach and wrapping up the S2 cliffhanger in one episode. How trite.

So, do you guys think that Marco's going to do anything important in the movie?

Hey not/sveg/, why do you ship Moon and Toffee?

>>92741261
Sky was recognized by one of the creators. Have they said anything about Monstar?

>>92741299
It's obviously not going to be resolved in those few episodes if Toffee/Ludo is in the new opening.

Honestly actually having a story arc at the very beginning of the season concerning this shit is a better option than somehow ignoring it for a bunch of episodes like 2 did with most major plot points.

>>92741299
you must be a complete moron to compare Reddit and Memey's cliffhanger resolution to this 8 episode TV movie

>>92741299
>and wrapping up the S2 cliffhanger in one episode.
Are you a complete idiot?

>>92741322
they what?

I AIN'T FROM AROUND HERE I'M FROM ________

>>92741379
Australia

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>>92741348
>>92741352
Yay its no problem at all that season 3 will be back to being Star acting retarded on Earth going on adventures with Hillary dog while Toffee appears only in the midseason and season finale.

>>92741406
>Yay its no problem at all that season 3 will be back to being Star acting retarded on Earth
How would you even know that?

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>>92741440
Because I've watched the past two seasons?

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>>92741406
Damn nigga, that a lot of assuming from 15 seconds and an opening.

>>92741406
Toffee's appearing in the very beginning of this season the time. Like at least one appearance in flashback, almost definitely more since Ludo's a major part of the plot.

Also by the use of "Hillary dog" aren't you that fag who only wants to see more Echo Creek background girls? If she goes back to Earth you should be fucking glad, considering you were the one who bitched about her leaving Earth in the first place

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>>92740464
My sides

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>>92741484
>Like at least one appearance in flashback,
W O W
O
W
>Also by the use of "Hillary dog"
I thought that was just the common name we came up with for that shitty character.

>who only wants to see more Echo Creek background girls? If she goes back to Earth you should be fucking glad, considering you were the one who bitched about her leaving Earth in the first place
Other than Sabrina, don't really care, but regardless, it's not like being on Earth guarantees those characters will appear. Nefcy seems to enjoy coming up with random one time characters more than minor background ones.

>>92741406
>>92741459
That's some pretty cool assumptions you've got there based on nothing pal

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Is table posting dead now?

>>92741573
It was dead upon arrival.

>>92741573
Yes. It's also bannable

>>92741406
So you think that 8 episodes is gonnaresolve the toffee plot while still having an entire season to go through?
3/10 you b8ed me

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>>92741591
really why that?

>>92741537
My point was that if Toffee gets one appearance in flashback and at least one in the present, that's already more than he got in S2 at all. Putting the main villain at the beginning, where the plot of those episodes will definitely influence the entire rest of the season, only means more plot/less Star being a retard.

>I thought that was just the common name we came up with for that shitty character
Nah man, it is definitely just you.

Also I remember you bitching that S3 being on Earth would mean a bunch of one-time characters and no background cheerleaders. Now that you find out that actually starting off with major plot stuff, for once, suddenly you're sure Star's just going back to Earth and nothing will change, even though that's the exact opposite of your complaints in the past and the opposite of what these episodes seem to imply about the rest of the season.

I think you just like to bitch about the show no matter what it does. If they did an entire episode about Sabrina you'd bitch too

>>92741639
S3 NOT being on Earth + being on Mewni instead, that should be

>Actually caring about the Earth characters at all

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>>92741618
>8 episodes
Or just four full length episodes! Really though, do we know the exact runtime of this? It could be like 1 hour and 45 minutes and they're like "Yes, it's two hours goyim" but isn't that technically just 7 half-episodes?

>>92741639
>Nah man, it is definitely just you.
Look at this loser. Thinks he's the /sveg/ census.

>>92741311
>Lolicon Toffee seducing princess Moon.

Who wouldn't ship them?

>>92741718
I know it's one person using "Hillary dog" because he types in the same way every time

>>92741753
I know it's one person acting like the thread census here because he forgets to punctuate every time

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>>92741753
Do you know who i am?

>>92741718
>Really though, do we know the exact runtime of this
It was confirmed as 2 hours and Daron said it's the first four episodes of S3 together so yes

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>>92735198
>she literally attempted to steal Jackie's boyfriend
I don't think so. She was going to try to hang out with Oskar for the summer, "chose to fix things with Marco", told Moon she's going to stay with her *friend* (no s) and said she "knows" he doesn't feel the same way. Star wanted to tell everyone about the book & wand in FtM (...and followed through) so she probably really did just want him to know the truth. She wouldn't help them get closer just to try to take him from her when it seems like she has absolutely no chance with him.

>>92741797
https://desuarchive.org/co/search/text/%22hillary%20dog%22/

It's not a common phrase at all.

>>92741788
FUCK YOU MAN THAT'S MY STYLE

>>92741686
This.
Except Marco, all other Earth characters can die, nobody cares about boring normal life characters.
I want to see magic and aliens.

>>92741846
>Actually liking Brittany
Ugh

What could replace table posting?

>>92741858
Marco's parents are okay. Actually the more I see them, the more I think they're funny

>>92741788
I never use punctuation because it makes shitposting way harder.

>>92741873
common sense
and lewds

>>92741858
I want to see the completely normal humans be better at pretty much everything than the magical aliens.
>>92741873
literally anything.

How do we resolve the Mewnish question?
Is Eclipsa the Johannes Pfefferkorn of our time?

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>>92741846
>literally digging up archives of people's shitposts
>on an anonymous produce vending bazaar
Now this is weapon's grade autism.

>>92741686
>caring about non Mewmans at all

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>>92741936
Mewmans are just better than smelly Earth fleshwads, anon.

>>92741958
Are you proposing a... final solution?

>>92741972
Man if we're going to really try to pretend that anyone but one guy regularly refers to that character/episode by that name, it's the least I can do to search for it in 5 seconds to prove my point

not like I personally saved every time it's been said or some shit

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>>92742007
>smelly
>compared to the people who dump their garbage on beaches and have no indoor plumbing.

>P...Pls let Jackie be a seafolk pls

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>>92741861
Whats Wong with Brittany?

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reminder that since Daron lurks here we're practically guaranteed to see one of these