Did she know

Do I care

>>92724087
Yes.

she didnt even know what a fucking dear was, I doubt she had any awareness of time travel or how that shit works

>>92724166
>she didnt even know what a fucking dear was
Looks like you don't either, "dear".

>>92724087
Yes.

If you paid attention youd notice her whole attitude changed as soon as she opened the time portal

All we needed was a few more scenes of Ashi and Jack spending a few weeks/months enjoying time with each other in the beatiful landscape of Japan, while Ashi hides her growing weakness as it gradually gets worse

>>92724087
R-r-r-r-repost.

>>92724197
That would make it worse.

>>92724270
Worse emotionally?

Maybe

But the quality of the episode would have been better if just a few more scenes to flesh it out.

Ashi hides her growing weakness as her and Jack spend intimate time together, with no dialouge scenes as they travel the landscape and show the general cliche signs of being in love. One of the last scenes in the sequence would be Jack proposing, and Ashi and Jack laying down in a bed (seen through veil around the bed or something) as its implied they sleep together.

Ashi's last words are : "I love you, Jack. I always will"

After that sequence would be a scene where a depressed Jack has a one on one talk with his Dad. I dont know what the dialouge would be exactly but they would embrace each other as his dad shares wise words of comfort and the whole scene would mirror the very first one in the show where the Emperor talks to kid Jack .

The credits play on screen as we see the fixed future. Seeing alien races living happily on their own planet with familiar faces, and the familiar human faces living in a much brighter futuristic civilization.

After the final credits, the Ladybug/Valley of Trees scene plays

I don't think she knew for sure, but had an idea that it could happen at any moment. As soon as it became clear to her that she'd vanish she wasn't surprised, but very saddened.

>>92724087
The question is, does /co/ still not realize that there was absolutley no way they were ever going to be able to live out their lives together from the start?

Ashi would not have aged while Jack would if she stayed in the past

Jack would not have aged in the future if he stayed while Ashi would have

With Aku being her literal Dad, Ashi was completley fucked from the beginning.

We as the audience were supposed to pick up on this theme but the plot was rushed and crammed into 10 episodes so it went above most of our heads.

That was the whole point of the scene where Ashi begs Jack not to kill himself. Because she realized her life was doomed from the start and Jack gave her a chance at knowing something greater

Its whats supposed to make the last scene more beatiful, He stands underneath the Tree and realizes this is truly a world Ashi would have wanted to live in. Something she never had growing up in a life of pain and abuse and misery. A life dedicated to killing him. And sure enough, she ended up saving him instead. Because he saved hers. She was doomed from birth and yet he broke through to her and showed her a whole new reality. One of love and freedom. See it as living on borrowed time if you will. But she would have given her life for his because of this. For this reality Jack sought all those years.

And that gives him peace

WHY THE FUCK DID JACK WANT TO GO TO THE PAST? WHAT WAS THERE FOR HIM?

>>92724964
Literally everything

Before Ashi, and before he literally gave up because there literally was no more portals, it was his sole mission and purpose

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>>92724087
that she was a useless monkey?
yes

>>92725070
But he lost his looooove, he was too obsessed with going back to the past he didn't focus on the future

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>>92725072
Ashi is cute, though!

>>92725197
Shes too pure

>>92724468
why are you doing this?

>>92724894

There's also the fact that a lot of old Japanese works are topped off with bittersweet endings.

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>>92724087
>Even after the euphemisms, spaghetti, and Jack's confession
>Ashi never said, "I love you" to Jack

>>92724964
>WHY THE FUCK DID JACK WANT TO GO TO THE PAST?

>Gotta get back
>Back to the past
>Samurai Jack

>>92728790
Same. Thats why I put it here in my ending version

Like seriously why did she not say it once

>>92728116
Because it needs to be done

>>92728673
Interesting point I forgot to think about

>>92728790
>Ashi, what's wrong?
>Jack, I never loved you
>fades away

>>92724087
yeah, but she was ready to die if it meant that jack was in a safer place and happy

>>92731217
Anon...

>>92729025
And it was the same in season 5, too!

It's like these posters are parodying themselves now.

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>Aku live streamed to the world that Jack wants to go back to the past to rewrite history so he can kill Aku
>Whole world now knows if Jack gets his way they'll all be wiped
>They still go out of their way to save jack cause being under Akus law sucks shit anways and want a better future
>Anons constantly bitch bout jack leaving his friends behind
damn, son, even Ashi knew this for the longest time and even she was okay with dying for Jacks cause

>>92724964
gee it's like his family and old friends are there getting screwed by aku

>>92724166
yooooo what an idiot. How can you not know how to spell deer.

>>92732967
Seriously

>>92725072
I would willingly get aids from fucking this chimp. She was hot. Would've breeded her chimp sisters too if Jack didn't MURDER them

>>92725197
if her profile didn't look like a chimp

>>92728790
she kissed him though, ussually that means something

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>>92732967
>You understand that if we do change the past, you- this version of you will never have existed.
>Nothing would make me happier.

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I think she knew on a subconscious level. Seeing jack happy made her push it to the back of her mind until it was too late

>>92728790
Give her a break. It's self explanatory and Jack's confession served a purpose in the end. Poor Ashi probably waited for that wedding ceremony to happen first.

>>92725072
It seems like her mouth gets bigger as the episodes go on

>>92724964
His birthright was becoming the next emperor after his father.
He's not just fighting for himself, he was fighting for the people he was to rule on his return.

>>92735194
If she did know and purposely didn't tell jack I'd love to hear that explanation.
"Sorry babe no aku no me, hasta la vista babe"

>>92724166
She seems to know immediately why she's disappearing, though. Maybe she just thought about the mechanics more than Jack, or maybe she knows instinctively, since Aku's powers seem to come from instinct.

>>92732967
This. Besides, Most of Jack's friends were already dead by the time ashi helped him escape. Aku probably vanquished Scotsman's ghost too before confronting jack :(

>>92728790
There was a good year or two in between Aku's defeat and the wedding, she probably said it at least once.
while they banged

>>92724166
>Dear
LOOK AT THIS DOOOD

>>92738316
While holding hands and looking each other in the eyes, even.

>>92738316
I was curious as to why Jack's parents looked 20 years younger. That and/or Ashi's Aku magic

>>92738857
Watching Jack fuck his fiance made them feel young again. And they watched. Every time. Samurai tradition.

How do you think Jack's parents reacted when they found out their son was dating a woman with zero pedigree and whom was technically the daughter of Aku?

>>92739169
They probably withheld that information, but seeing all those black scratchs on his back might too them off

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>>92739169
>technically
Aku impregnated her mother; there's no technically about it. It doesn't matter what orifice he used, he still impregnated her.

>>92739683
It's a bit confusing, though, since Aku 'left' her after she died.

>>92739595
I know a bunch of fangirls were overjoyed when she turned out to be half-demon, since they apparently really wanted her to bit and claw Jack to bits.

>>92739840
They're probably into some kinky shit tbqhwy probably want someone like jack but be submissive as hell

>>92738857

Because shitty writing.

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>>92740430
Jack gets flustered if you hold his hand. I can't see him being very kinky.

>>92740650
Nah, the fan girls bro, they want someone like jack who's built and stoic but at the same time who's submissive and they can do whatever they want with him

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>>92740691

I mean, I suppose I can see where they're coming from.

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>>92740650

>>92739169
I dunno Anon, if the daughter of a warlord who took over the entire world and several others besides isn't pedigree, what is?

>>92740868
Most girls want a fit stoic dude who would sacrifice the world for them but wouldn't ever do the same, hell they'd probably date your mortal enemy. Those fan girls were jelly of ashi because she found someone that completes her and looks good doing it

>>92740943
and dont forget the power of a god....tahts gonna come in handy durring steak and BJ morning.

>>92741122
I dunno, Ashi seems to have been generally well received by fans of both sexes from what I've been able to determine through the noise. If anything, dudes seemed slightly more hostile, but then there are more dude fans.

>>92740943
A warlord who had them all enslaved to make statues of himself and mine for crystals (for some reason, we never see the bastard USE them for anything).

Ashi was a mistake.

>>92741169
Eh, woman tend to self insert more though, when I watched the show I didn't want to become jack, I wasn't jealous that he got the perfect woman. I was happy that he was happy. It just killed me when ashi was poofed out of existence for no other reason beside bittersweet ending.

>>92741190
Ashi never was supposed to exist

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>>92741887
We can tell by that ending anon

>>92724964
>WHAT WAS THERE FOR US?
FTFY
It might had not have been so bad had they shown Jack's reunion with his parents for more than 5 seconds.

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>>92742228
Did you really think that was funny? I bet you were snickering posting that gif here thinking someone would laugh but no it's you who is being laughed at

>>92739169
They were probably too overjoyed with Jacks victory too care. And even if they did, Jack revealing that hes been gone for 5 fucking decades to save their ass would be more than enough to accept whomever he wants to marry.

It probably helped especially that Ashi seems to be Japanese

>>92741575
I'm with you there. It was nice seeing a childhood favorite happy, and seeing sides we'd never seen before. And for me, anyway, Ashi was an enjoyable new character. Watch Jack get what he want and still end up in pain was a real gut punch.

>>92742183
Honestly, it would've been. Jack's parents were always somewhat distant figures to the viewer, even after Birth of Evil. Hell, even in this season, with a really cool moment between Jack and his dad. The rest of the past was even more of an acquaintance.

>>92742228
Delet.

>>92728790
>Sent him to the past despite it resulting in her nonexistance
She loved him more than you do.

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>>92724087
Maybe, maybe not. At the very least, I'm willing to bet that she suspected it would happen.

Personally, I was kind of hoping it would be less Back to the Future-style time abortion, and more Marvel-style time-travel multiverse.

>>92744177
They both did incredibly profound things for the other.

Jack surrendered his quest outright when it meant he'd have to kill her, even with her sanction. She erased herself from reality to not only make sure his quest got done (which would have been as simple as just fighting Aku), but to give him what she thought was his heart's deepest desire: to see home again.

It's gotta cut insanely deep to know someone loved you like that and now they're gone.

>>92744309
Even as Jashi trash I'm gonna miss these weekly edits.

>>92741187
What part of PURE EVIL don't you get? If anything, it's way more evil to make them do it for no reason.

If she knew I doubt she would have agreed to get married.

>>92744365
I think the point of getting married is to have a future together so yeah, I don't think Ashi knew.

>>92744363
I like to think he HAD a reason, but he forgot it and didn't even care that much to begin with.

>>92744365
>>92744420
Maybe she thought she could tank it out indefinitely (she'd probably been doing it for a year at least by then), or didn't want to come clean with Jack. It'd be pretty hard to prevent him from blaming himself.

>>92744472

Mayyyyybe
It seems like such a cruel thing to do though, to agree to get married and know that you'll quickly widow your partner and make them feel the pain of your absence that much more.

To me it'd make a lot more sense if she decided to cut ties with Jack and leave him, so that when she finally disappeared he wouldn't be aware of what actually happened.

>>92744732
Girls dont really think about these things with logic unless theyre much older

They usually base these kinds of decisions heavily off of emotions

Take it from an anon who knows a thing or two about them

Ashi knowing she might fade away at any moment yet continues to spend time with the man she loves and accepts his proposal is actually pretty realistic

>>92744732
>>92744842
Given Ashi's nature and how she fell in love with Jack it would seem far more realistic to see it as really an unexpected side effect of time travel (which is still bullshit if you ask me)

>>92724087
Maybe she was banking on some time paradox shenanigans to keep her alive. I mean, if Jack kills Aku then she could never be born to help Jack get to the past to kill Aku. It's fucked and stupid but Ashi was hot so at least there's that.

>>92744732
Ultimately I don't think we'll ever know if she knew, or why she didn't tell Jack if she did. But Ashi was human, too, maybe she couldn't bring herself to also cut Jack off in the bargain.

Maybe she just didn't want to go back to being alone.

>>92744842

I wouldn't say this is a trend of women as a whole but would a lot of girls think like this? Sadly enough, probably.

But I think it'd be out of character for Ashi. She's not that shallow or selfish, she has too much awareness of her partner to pull off that sort of thing. It's important to keep in mind that Jack had 50 years to actually settle with someone, so if he's going to go with a girl she's probably going to be well above average in a lot of things and reflective of his own values.

>>92744984
I personally think it would be more in character for her to want to spend as much time with each other as they can and her telling Jack prior to that would just destroy his mood the entire time. Better for him to be able to keep those memories as happy and sweet, even though Genndy didnt bother showing us any

It's also possible she thought she'd be immediately erased, it didn't happen, and she assumed she was safe. Or that she realized it as it was happening in a 'd'oh' moment. I'd guess the first is more likely of the two with the look she gave Jack.

What a raw deal that is.

>>92744376
Go away

>>92746297
>It's also possible she thought she'd be immediately erased, it didn't happen, and she assumed she was safe
I don't know why Genndy wrote it out like this. Either she should have faded then and there or not at all. To have a weird fake-out and then just having it happen for real at the worst possible time just leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. It's both horrid writing and awful to the character.

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>>92742228
DELET THIS

>>92746352
It wouldnt be bad writing if it was shown that she had gradually growing weakness from the time they arrived up until the wedding as the time ripples got closer to her

Also if parts of her slowly dissapeared a day or two before wedding and she hides it. Makes the reveal at the wedding more dramatic as her partly invisible hand comes out of her dress and touches Jacks cheek much to his surprise and everyone elses

>>92746352
Not getting to say goodbye either was a real gut kick, too.

Honestly, I'm not sure it wasn't intentional. We've seen Genndy plot out stories before, even tragic ones like X-9, that didn't end so oddly. Maybe he was DELIBERATELY going for the shock-followed-by-grief effect a bunch of people reported.

>>92746456
You've posted that idea of yours in a few threads now. It's not bad, just cut the sex scene. Seems gratuitous.

>>92724964
His duty, his people, a world untainted by Aku's wickedness, his parents. Jack just didn't realize that there would be a dear price to pay.

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>>92733533
They chose the path.

THEY.

CHOSE.

>>92746549
>X-9
*X-49

>>92738074
Aku can't kill souls.

>>92747131
Demongo can take them right?

>>92746549
Eh it was mild enough as i put it

>>92747611
Yeah, which is curious, since Aku seems incapable of that. At least, he didn't want the viking king to escape into death.

>>92747725
Jack Vs. The Lava Monster is one of my top 3 episodes.

I actually think hes a Nord, could be a Dane though

Anyway, I wanted to see him lead a small band of Valkryies into battle down from Valhalla in the final episode

Or a scene of Ashi reading his stone monument and brushing her fingers over Jacks' chiseled 'FREE' on it.

We really needed more scenes/episodes for this seasons plot to be fully realized

>>92724087
Probably not because none of it makes any sense. From what I've seen, everything is going to revert back to the way it was because Aku surviving into the future played a direct role in him dying in the past, which makes no fucking sense. If Ashi disappears, it ALL disappears, which is bleak and tragic and not at all bittersweet.

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Amazing

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>>92746325
>Go away
Like Ashi?

>>92748111
who?

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>>92724087

>>92748111
STOP

>>92748039
>The High Priestess fucking jobbed and never returned

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>all this whinin' about Jashi
>have a sad solemn solitary vigil for the true losses

no Scaramouche rematch
no final Jack vs Aku

that's what makes me cry, bros. yeah the finale army fight was sweet but quite frankly Aku Is Invincible so without the sword there's no skin in the game. how hard would it be to bullshit it? come on, it's Samurai Jack. nobody gives a fuck about shit if a sweet fight happens.

Aku goes back in time to save himself, sees his past self, makes a meta comment about causing a paradox. Jumps into himself anyway because desperation, but he's an eldritch abomination so fuck physics. ten minute fight.

>>92747829
Yeah, though if Genndy had had more time and STILL killed Ashi? Wew.

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>>92748039

>>92748443
Scaramouche was never going to get a rematch. He couldn't even beat Jack when Jack was having violent psychotic breaks mid-fight. If Jack has the sword he's just going to get his shit pushed completely in.

>>92749144
He should have stayed dead after ep.1 his impact as a character would have been more fulfilling

>>92742228
As cruel as this is, this is also cool.

>>92734480
Yeah that is pretty much the same situation, and we all can agree that being erased from the timeline is better that living under nazi rule.

>>92749624
I thought it was fine to have him live, and wasn't surprised he played the role he did. He's literally named after a clown.

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Extremely lewd Jashi content, just a warning.

Final episode felt weak but not sure what i expected, funny enough first thing i thought of during the wedding scene was that she would disappear like Nia in TTGL and that's exactly what happened.

>>92750471
The first three episodes were clearly the strongest ones. Don't get me wrong, the middle of the season wasn't weak by any means, its just that the season peaked right at the beginning. Second half of the finale was kind of lame though. Honestly, I can't tell if Genndy didn't have enough room to tell a satisfying finale or if he genuinely thought ending it that way was well written.

>>92750608
I can't help but feel like $$ had some thing to do with it. It felt like the actual art quality and general visual level dropped after ep.3. And dropped even more after Ep.4 then had up and down momentums throughout the rest of the season

>>92750608
They needed to end the series with episode 9 and do the finale as a 90 or 120 min movie Birth of Evil style.

Watching episode 2 tomb scene and comparing to later episodes and it feels like a complete different show. Maybe they ran out of budget after all. It might be a comforting lie to tell myself.

>>92750802
I dunno about that, there was some really cool background work in 7, and 8 actually had a nice fight with the cat men, if brief.

>>92751081
That's what I meant by up and down

>>92750806
My dick would have been diamonds if ep.9 was finale and ended with Jack mercy killing Ashi and he drops the sword in despair as Aku takes it

Only for the Samurai Jack movie to be announced

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>>92748443
>no final Jack vs Aku

Why would you even want this? It's been established since day 1 that Jack can beat him handily, and he's going back to the past to finish what he started. Your ridiculous desire for "let epic final battle XD" is the reason we have terrible shit like the Gravity Fall's finale.

>>92751399
Not that anon and I agree with you.

I think we all just wanted a top tier ending, but to be fair those are incredibly hard to pull off

The most recent example I can think of is Space Dandy

>>92751399
This is what gets me. he bodied the fuck out of Aku in the first episode, so why would there be anything other than a straightforward shit slapping?

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Man ever since R&M stole a slot on april fools these crossover skits that are coming in are giving me a laugh

>>92752124
>implying either of these two know how to use a condom

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>>92752461
I think thats the joke, not sure. Honestly Jack would use a condom as a water storage

>>92739683
I know everyone's upset about "not muh ending" right now, but I need to point out that the "drinking Aku's essence" thing was sort of bullshit.

You're on ADULT SWIM now, just acknowledge that Aku got bored, fucked some cult-follower bitch because he could and forgot about it.

> OH HO HO, NOW I REMEMBER! THE "DAUGHTERS OF AKU!" Those were some good times! How's your mother?
> Dead.

>>92752651
Because they didn't want to give Aku a sexual angle.

>>92752461
He's had fifty years in the future

>>92753765
Doesn't meant anyone taught him. He's clearly still a virgin and it's evident that the Scotsman didn't know what the fuck they were.

>>92753765
The dude has never been with a woman and explicitly states he's never been in love before.

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>>92725072

>>92754557
This is all from one episode, right? I remember thinking she was shifting from human to baboon in every other shot.

>>92754790
No, the left image is from 7, the right 2 are from 8, and the top right she isn't in exact profile.

>>92754913
She looked really, really good in 7, did they have someone else on the storyboarding for that episode?

I don't buy that she and everyone in the Aku future are gone. If that was the case and she never existed, then who sent Jack back to the past? If the Aku future is gone, then where did past Jack end up? A normal future with no time portals? Everything is a paradox.

That's why the multiverse theory is the only one that holds water.

Ashi may have just gotten spat back into her own timeline. Where Aku is alive with no special sword to kill him with. Sad.

Hopefully Jack finds the Guardian's portal as prophesized. But uses it to go to the Aku future instead of the past.

pardon my ranting

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>>92724087
I love the fact she and Jack genocided an entire time line.

Ashi pulled a Jean Grey-Summers form New X-Men: Here Comes Tomorrow.

>>92755091
Rewritten timeline

Almost everyone would be alive, most on their home planet

>>92751399
>>92751672
There should've been two battles.

One more all out battle with Aku not caring anymore as long as he can kill him.

Then the curbstomp in the past in the episode.

>>92757891
That is not how that works. Ever heard of the Butterfly Effect? Not the shitty movies, mind you.

I'm guessing Genndy wanted to avoid entering into hard Sci-Fi territory with alternate realities. In which case, Ashi could have stayed in the past with Jack as you cannot undo something that has been done.

You can create a splinter in spacetime, and that would prevent the future from rewritten because it is its own timeline now, and exists independent of the new reality created when Jack killed Aku.

Now, the only problem then is that hypothetically, an alternate universe will reject a person from another reality without some kind of anchor. The Anchor prevents the alternate reality from "boomeranging" them back to their own reality/timeline.

Again, all of this is conjecture and hypothesis in current quantum physics.

>>92758327
>Again, all of this is conjecture and hypothesis in current quantum physics

Exactly, which is why it's pointless to try to apply it to a show that doesn't care for it. At the end of the day, it's a work of fiction that was left purposefully open-ended. People can theorize that the future has everyone Jack saved reborn in a better world, and it's just as valid.

>>92724087
She, who? The person in your picture? She never existed. She was never born. Therefore she could not know anything.

>>92731217
Of course she never loved him. People who never existed could never love anyone. Duh.

So since it took what we can assume was at the very least a few days(probably weeks or even months considering how not Aku'd everything is) for her to disappear, how long do you think the future existed for?
Do you think ghost Scotsmen had enough time to starting shitting on Aku for losing?

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>>92724087
everyone knew everything, it just skipped their mind.
>>92728790
yes why can't they feed us like idiots

>>92739169
He saved their ass so they would keep their mouth shut
>>92740943
This, even if the line is from an ex enemy. It would be basically like fucking Nobunaga's daughter

>>92759595
No, it's been posted enough.

>>92732967
people are not used to thinking about stories
>>92738074
this

>>92759670
well fuck you then

>aku had no friends so he lost

The story was too condensed, could have used 25 more eps

>>92752651
Aku is not a sexual creature.

>>92759692
he killed his friends

>>92752651
They got a gokkun impregnation scene to air on a cartoon, that has to be a first.

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>mother deliberately gets pregnant from the ultimate evil
>purposely trains resulting daughters to be assassins due to their supernatural heritage, hoping that it will give them the much needed edge to kill the samurai
>dumb bitches can't even use their aku powers to begin with
>the one the goes rogue does though
GENNDY IS A HACK

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XayNKY944lY

A solution to Ashi not existing - its a fairly fair and straightforward explanation.

>>92724087
I've finally come to terms with her death, as shitty of a cop out as it was. Maybe she'll be reincarnated in Jack's era with her memories of Jack intact.

>>92761321
The show is over. The story is over. Grieving over a cartoon character is retarded.

>>92761346
>clearly forgetting its now in the rerun slot
You poor dumb bastard

>>92759670
Bollocks

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>>92759595

>>92759692
Aku lost because of his cruelty. No, seriously, he enjoyed being needlessly cruel so much that he end up creating a weapon that could be used against him (two, if you count both the sword and Ashi), and he put off slaying his enemy to revel in his suffering.

Evil is self-destroying.

>>92724087
The decisions you make and the actions that follow are a reflection of who you are.

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>On the wiki of episode CI, its says: “The female vocal at the end of the episode, “renchaku ha na hanasa na” is Japanese for “your love has been set free.

>>92737652
>Maybe she just thought about the mechanics more than Jack
It doesn't make sense anyway. If she wouldn't exist without Aku then Jack returned to the past shouldn't exist without her.

>>92762697
Grandfather paradoxes are bugshit, yeah.

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>>92759716
I͈͔̼̥ ͈̘͖̺̼T͎͔̟͉ͅH̡͇̘̠̘̟̜̦I̧̙͈̯͎N͙̟̙̬K̭̪͖͔̙͡ ̼̖̣͍I'M̝͖͉̻͜ͅ ̘̘̭I̧̪̠̫͍̙̬N̯͍͙͉͇̙ ͓̕T̛̰̼̘̱̥̜H̟̥͖͉̤E͓͓̫͇͈͞ ͉͍C͘O̯̥͔̻͞M̭P̩͍͟U͇T̝̥̠͚ER̗̟̟̫̤̘ͅ

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>>92762546

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>>92762883
Any time one of you /a/ expats whines about spoonfeeding, I make it my mission to spoonfeed since I know it pisses you the fuck off.

>>92762986
PLOT TWIST: Not whining, I thought the banner is cute so I posted it.

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>>92763014

>>92762652
That's really beautiful actually. Plot-wise, I don't really have issues with the ending; that last scene never fails to make me emotional. I just wish it was more fleshed out, the execution was rushed as hell.

>>92763240
I stick by them needing some sort of fuckin' farewell (literally would have taken SECONDS) and some sort of acknowledgement of the futurebros.

I dunno if fans are reading too far into things with the Japanese and the cultural contexts of ladybugs, but if not, it's cool. Still, comparing the end of Birth of Evil to CI is rather sobering.

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>>92731217
>aku's laughter slowly fades away
fucking comedium platinum

>>92728790
Most awkward wedding ever. Imagine sailing halfway around the world for this, super happy for your former student who has killed a horrible demon and saved his kingdom, only for him to end up holding an empty dress and just sitting there.

...I bet all the Emperor's retainers were happy, though. Means Jack's eligible again.

>>92763425
>Ashi...why?

>The...the aristocrats.

>>92763360
No definitely, that's what I mean by fleshed out more. There was literally no reason for her not to say it immediately after she broke from Aku's control.
>Aku essence peels back
>Ashi looks at Jack
>smiles
>"I love you too"
>Aku comes over to see if Jack is dead
Instead we just got dead air in between Jack saying it and Aku butting in. It would've been so easy to throw in.

>>92764206
I mean, considering episodes like X-49 and such, it just seems a very conspicuous, almost deliberate omission. I just wonder as to the why.

>>92763966
>AAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAhaha.....fooool
>disappears

>>92764522
For the bittersweet ending, all these questions make samurai Jack one of the shows that will never truly end because of the ending

>>92765528
I dunno if Samurai Jack needed to be a story with uncertainties and no true ending. Definitely makes me feel sorry for Jack.

>>92764522
My theory is that genndy went in *needing* a bittersweet ending, and thus wrote the first three episodes accordingly. Once he started needing to develop ashi however, I think he got caught up in making episodes that really felt like the old show which had the end result of completely changing the tone/theme of the season.

I think by the time he got to episode 9, he realized what had been done,(and that he was hitting the episode limit) but refused to either change the ending to fit the new time, or change the previous 5 episodes to fit the ending, which led to both of those aspects (bittersweet ending and cheesy cliche season) ruining eachother, when either of them independently could have been done much better.

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>>92733644

>>92762546
this image is more exciting than the show was

>>92765650
It just needed a concrete conclusion. Like KND. Or Ed Ed Eddy . This show is immortalized as unforgettable for all the wrong reasons

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>>92766926
>mfw conversation about the show can now never again occur without someone saying "none of those people exist anymore"

>>92765650
>Definitely makes me feel sorry for Jack.
I don't give a shit about anything but the fact that Jack gets fucking shafted in the end and the whole show becomes tantamount to torture porn. He just eternally deals with the shit on his plate.

>>92724087
Nia knew.
Ashi is a ripoff of Nia.
So Ashi probably knew.

>>92767027
That's not what I meant, but I admit it is with a good chuckle

>>92751399
>Why would you even want this?
Because I actually want to be entertained by the long-awaited conclusion of one of my favorite childhood shows? Are you human?

>>92750806
I would have waited another 13 years for that

>>92767641
That fight is impossible, plain and simple. Jack and Aku's confrontations have always been completely one sided; just one of them beating the other without any trouble. If Jack has the sword, Aku won't last 5 minutes. If Jack doesn't have it, he wouldn't have lasted more than 1. Accept that Jack and Aku's enmity comes from the frustration each of them cause the other rather than any kind of fighting rivalry.

>>92767660
Imagine being 56 and having to wait another 13 years for an ending. That'll kill them

Do you think if Mako hadn't died that Genndy would have put more effort into s.5?

How did defeating Aku in the past magically make his parents not old again?

>>92768826
I want to say that the mom dyed her hair and the Emperor had a while to recover.

But neither is really that satisfactory without closure

>>92768906
>>92766926

>>92761247
I'm dumb so forgive me if I'm wrong, but does this mean they will just alternate between Ashi existing and Ashi not existing forever? That doesn't sound any better.

>>92766643
From what I can tell:

-Eps 1 through 3 were probably almost completely from the movie.
-Ashi was always going to be the deuteragonist and always romantic.
-E4 was half-movie, half-series.
-Most of the rest of the series used some movie ideas, but spread around.

>>92769380
Ep 1-3 were entirely more developed than the rest of the season so that tells me they had those ideas around for much longer than anything else

>>92732967
Then why the scotsman offered jack one of her daughters if he knew that would never happen anyways?

>>92769707
Because at the time the Scotsman didn't know Jack was gonna go back at all, no one did, not even Ashi yet.

>>92769380
What about the ending? Would Jack have still gone back?

>>92770417
I'm not sure, but I tend that Genndy originally was not going to have it happen, and changed his mind in the wake of the comics since they'd already done "Jack becomes the King Conan of the future."

Would have been cooler if Jack had to kill her to get rid of the last of Aku

>>92724468
fuck man, you're gonna make me cry here
not because, as beautiful and how as much as we needed an ending like that, the truth is that we will never have a proper ending to samurai jack.

>>92724468
>Ashi's last words are : "I love you, Jack. I always will"

I feel like that kind of confirmation, while cliche, is kinda NEEDED when one member of a pair of lovers is being fundamentally undone.

>>92752602
I was actually worried about that Ashi being separated of another Jack. Nice comic. Gave me hope

>Didn't want Ashi to come with him because he doesn't want her to just be a memory
>Becomes a memory anyway

Kinda sad that no matter what, he doesn't get what he wants.

>>92771023
It's weird that she ceased to exist but his memory of her didn't. Seems like everything was calculated to make Jack suffer. But, like, poorly calculated.

>>92770594
Don't make me even sadder anon

It still hurts

>>92770705
I'm pissed she never got to say it despite clearly feeling that way. She accepted a marriage proposal for Christ's sake

>>92771180
>She accepted a marriage proposal for Christ's sake

Maybe she just did it for the green card.

>>92771250
>the faces on all the jealous anally devastated eligible princesses from families of Nobility who wanted Jack and suffered nearly 20 years of Akus rule to do so just to see him choose some severly socially stunted, killer assassin who comes from a fucking cult with absolutely no noble background and is filthy as duck or naked half the time
>oh and she's Akus fucking daughter

>>92771497
Better keep it to themselves. I can't imagine Jack's reaction if he gets a whiff of the nobs being GLAD that shit happened. Displeasure, to say the least.

>>92771928
I wonder what happened immediately after she disappeared.

>>92724087
Absolutely. I think that she probably had hope, that maybe she could exist as a distinct shard of potential reality, but she probably knew deep down she could never give Jack what he wanted, especially since if they had children there would be a non-zero chance that he would just be Aku.

>>92773594
Probably a long awkward silence where no one knew exactly what to do until one of his parents stepped in and everyone kinda shuffled off to process the fact that the bride didn't just die, she stopped existing.

>>92767797
>That fight is impossible, plain and simple
Says you, you lazy unimaginative fuck.

>>92770359
This. Nobody knew. They heard what Aku said, but couldn't understand what it meant. So they helped Jack get back, and he rewarded their efforts with oblivion.

>>92774663
This is great

>>92773763
What I would give for more content

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>>92775439
Well, it's in the hands of the fangirls now. And us shitposters.

>>92776035
Don't worry, at the end of the day we can assume she said I loved you and everything in-between

>>92776778
That's not good enough. She deserves on screen closure

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>So there's this girl, right?
>Raised in a cave and such.
>And y'know she has to kill this fella, name's Jack.
>He's a samurai - but y'know, like, time traveller.
>Anyway she meets him and he's not such a bad bloke
>So she's like 'that's a bit weird innit, he's not such a bad bloke'
>anyway turns out she kills her mum and ends up snoggin this Jack fella
>and she wants to help him save the world y'know
>she she's all helpin him fight a demon, right
>but the demon is her dad
>bit much, innit?
>anyway she sends Jack back and he kills the demon, but that erases her
>but then who sent him back?

>>92776975
We all deserve everything but we all don't get everything. We have to fight for what we want no matter the sacrifice because but cones easy

>>92777221
I realize that we don't get everything. But ashi not only got nothing, the things she had previously gotten were undone.

>>92777290
I was passed over for a promotion, even though I work harder then most people I didn't get it. Does that mean I leave the company? No I keep going for the next chance

I can't do this guys

I'm still empty over her death

All I can picture is Jack having both realistic and surreal hallucinations of Ashi talk to him as he stares out aimlessly on the horizon or in a cloudy landscape

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>>92777221
THAT'S FORTUNE COOKIE NONSENSE

>>92777358
Ashi didn't get passed over for a promotion. She got the promotion, was acknowledged and congratulated on her hard work, and then got wiped from existence as she got walked to her new office. She also has been given absolutely no way to move on from what happened to her

>>92777437
Go get some fresh air, dude. Walk around, distract yourself with a game or something. Or get catharsis through writing, or read some post-fiction. Just don't stick and chase your metaphorical tail.

>>92777513
It sucks to get the Short end of the stick. But the last moments of her life were spent happy, contrast to the beginning where it was all bad

>>92777763
Her entire life was undeserved pain and misery, and her efforts to make things better ended up giving her the worst fate a living being can suffer

>>92777848
Again, after everything the short time she had was spent in pure Bliss not having to kill but to love the one person who understands her

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Okay, NO.

I could have handled her dying. Yeah. Then we can say he meets her in the afterlife.

But FUCKING ERASING HER FROM TIME?

Yes. Yes I am fucking salty.

>>92777978
To be fair, I don't think her soul is intended to be erased.

>>92777068
Thanks for the rundown, Karl.

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>>92778253
It was pretty good.

>>92777733
I know. Revisting these threads just keeps reopening the wound

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>>92778426
Well, for what it's worth, your fellow Jashi trash know that feeling.

>>92778499
They were both so damaged that the fact that they could find love in that is beautiful

>>92777978
>meet in the afterlife

It's never revealed if his ageing went back to normal lad. Chances are even if she in the afterlife he might never get to see her.

>>92778604
If the gods left Jack immortal they're literally as evil as Aku.

>>92778604
I assume after a point Jack can count his duty fulfilled and, if he so decides, commit seppuku.

But I doubt if he's still immortal.

>>92778655
This is what happens in a world that has forsaken God for lesser pagan gods

>>92770594
>you're gonna make me cry here
Pussy.

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i bet jack is ashi ancestor.
Do you guys think jack would become aku trying to find a way to make ashi real again.
also i find interesting that
jack and aku both share that split personality disorder.
Also king jack never ever.

>>92779289
>Do you guys think jack would become aku trying to find a way to make ashi real again.

What

>>92779289
If that were the case then ashi would not have disappeared.

Would it had been better if the show went full Logan and had Jack die from a mortal wound but he kills both Akus and we get a split timelines and Ashi lives

yes she knew and she held off long enough for the right time to make jack feel like shit

I love that /co/ is so incapable of letting go of anything that you dont even want a horribly fucked up dark future undone via time travel, when that's the fucking premise of the show.. the prologue, the theme song..
NEW PEOPLE WILL BE BORN
THEY WILL BE AS GOOD OR BETTER THAN THE ONES THAT EXISTED BEFORE

>>92779902
Just because something is the premise/prologue does not mean it should be exactly how it ends.

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This ended up being really wrong.

>>92779902
I can't remember an ending that hit me this hard

It's been a long time

>>92779519
Jack dying might unironically have been better-received, particularly if he had put a kid in Ashi. Rage and tears, I bet.

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>>92742228
WHAT WAS HER NAME?

>>92779902
i thought jack would learn let bygones be bygones and move on.

>>92780068
see
>>92776035

>>92746352
>To have a weird fake-out and then just having it happen for real at the worst possible time

it was a bad idea in gurren lagann and it was a bad idea in this show

>>92780476
Except gurren lagann at least executed the bad idea in a fulfilling manner.

>>92780542
not really
plus the ending kinda shit all over the main theme of the show by having the protagonist reverting back to his beta ways and becoming an old lonely hermit and never ever fucking the redhead with the big tits

>>92779954
Wow, this is SO much better than what we got...

>>92780654
Not really

>>92780802
Agree to disagree.

>>92780606
I didn't watch GL, I just assumed from others comments.

>>92781652
She did have big tits though

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>>92780654
it really would have been nice if they addressed the guardian though
like just say aku or his daughters killed him

at least do what dbz did and have jack kill aku in both timelines
as it stands, how was jack sent back to his time by someone who never existed

>>92783438
>it really would have been nice if they addressed the guardian though
....they did. They showed his area in ruins, his portal destroyed, and his glasses broken on the ground. He's dead aku killed him. It's not rocket surgery.

>as it stands, how was jack sent back to his time by someone who never existed
All that matters to Time itself is that Jack is back where he should be. He didn't age in the future because he existed out of time. He was somewhere he never should have been.

>>92783508
Probably vaporized and the glasses fell on the ground

How did the girls ever find a way to take a shit when they had the black thing covering their body?

>>92783508
Rocket surgery?

>>92784093
>(n.) a play on words which mixes two common metaphors: "rocket science" and "brain surgery"

>>92783508
must have missed that the first time
still sucks that >>92783438 pic related never truly happens
i mean they prophecized a king jack using specifically that portal

>>92784201
>I was only pretending to be retarded!

>>92752651
If Aku wanted to have sex with humans, that would raise awkward questions about why this immortal asshole and galactic dictator doesn't have a harem the size of a city.

>>92784378
In your case, you don't need to pretend.

what was the final shot about the tree?
i forgot jack's monologue to ashi about "the only tree aku didn't destroy" or w/e

how did they fuck up the art for clean-shaven original-gi jack?
it's like they forgot his skin tone and face shape

and if i'm being picky, it was weird how whenever part of his part of his body crossed in front of the other, they blended together
like they rarely drew lines to show where one started and the other ended
in the original they were kinda obsessed with separating them

>>92774117
What, giving Aku a major powerup out of nowhere? Please, to propose some way you can even out Jack and Auu's conflict without resorting to anything else the previous seasons did while keeping it in a 22 minute time contratint.

>>92784958
>>92724894

>>92784633
Why have a city when you can have the universe?

>>92784958
Back when Jack was first showing Ashi Aku's evil, he brought her to a forest that had been destroyed except for one tree, because Aku wanted to make sure people knew what they had lost and would never see again.

You go from a mist-shrouded forest to a big reveal to show that, for Ashi's and Jack's struggles and sacrifices, real beauty and potential has been restored. Ashi wouldn't have had to imagine how mighty this forest was.

Really, the forest and tree stand in for the entire planet, and are supposed to help narratively convince the viewer that despite the tremendous hurt Jack and Ashi experienced, what they did is ultimately the right thing and will give countless billions a chance at a life in peace.

>>92784326
Maybe the prophecy was true, just not for the future. Now that jack is back in his time, and knows where the guardian is, what's to stop him from visiting in his own time and defeating the guardian then?
Could use it to look at how his friends/ashi would exist in a better future or something, I dunno.

>>92789443
It would be cool to see a mini season based on Jack trying desperately to get over Ashi as he meets a well written new love interest, it would start with him having crazy hallucinations of Ashi talking to him much like Mad Jack and the Guilt Visions of his family

>>92789443
Friends only, Ashi doesn't exist.
>>92789997
Isn't he gonna get with that girl from that one ep?

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>>92789997
>Jack is expected to attend a number of courtship meetings with a number of noblewomen
>Can't stand this shit, patience running thin
>Poorer noble's daughter straight-up tells him she knows he doesn't want her, but she came anyway, because he heard Jack knew what love was like and wanted to hear for her own
>Turns out she lost her fiancee, who she barely knew, during Aku's reign
>He was likeable, handsome, brave, but she didn't really know him and feels guilty about it
>Gradually the two bond as Jack slowly lowers his guard and describes his feelings
>New ones begin to develop for both of them

>>92790484
Cricket girl? He met her once, at random, at age 8 or younger and she gave him a kiss on the cheek. She might even have died during Aku's takeover, but even if she didn't, Jack didn't consider her "a girl."

>>92790611
>Talks to Ashi about it while contemplating on the place rooftop
>"You should talk to her Jack. You saved them... Let them save you"
>"Its just...I miss you so much Ashi. It still feels like you're here"
>She places her hand on his cheek again
>"Jack...Jack please wake up"

>Jack wakes up on the rooftop, eyes begin to tear up as the cold wind breezes against him, the only other noise being the trees swaying back and forth

>>92790995
Yeah, I can see Jack gradually growing sympathetic to her as he realizes she's not some sort of morbid tourist or a vapid child wanting to be entertained.

>>92791062
If she was written well and had a good design and VA it could work

>>92792698
Something like that would never get animated outside of fan stuff, it'd probably be a fan-fiction epilogue about Jack coming to terms with his grief and reintegrating in his time (ironically, by helping another person...again).

The writing'd have to be just right, though, yeah.

>>92792958
If it's fan stuff, then might as well just bring Ashi back

>>92792958
I know people think it's not possible but mark my words, given the popularity of SJ S.5 displayed, within 10 years or less we'll probably get a new show based on either the 50 year gap, or Jacks life after S.5. Most likely without Genndy since he said he's done but Phil would come back for sure

>>92793103
I can see them reviving Ashi considering how beloved she is and how little screentime she got as a whole.

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>>92793339
Jack's quest to recover Ashi, perhaps? A potential plot of managing between one's duties and well-being of the world, as opposed to fighting one's desires and emotions? Jack fought with despair, rage and apathy, but he never fought his own desires and lust - we know he strove to remain stoic, but Ashi stoke up emotions he never experienced, so it would be an interesting angle.

Even though the ending shows him at peace, if he were given a chance to get her, would he?

>>92793068
Sure, and a lot of people are doing that, but I think there's character and narrative juice in developing an ending where Jack has to come to terms with his grief.

>>92793548
>Jack is shown to unwaveringly protect the innocent
>find a way to not only save the innocent who directly caused him to be able to kill aku, but this innocent also happens to be the only woman he has ever loved
Yeah I think he might take that opportunity.

>>92793615
This

>>92793548
>>92793624
As much as my heart wants this, I feel like bringing her back would just minimize the impact of the finale

Maybe hinting that they meet in another life or something

>>92793712
>minimize the impact of the finale
are you saying these didn't
>her last words being exposition and not a declaration of love
>the nonsensical bait and switch just to gut punch the audience
>absolutely no acknowledgement of those Jack knew from the present once he goes back
>making the ultimate point of the series be "If somethings is awful, don't try and make it better, just undo it from ever happening in the first place!"

>>92793712
Sometimes the best option is the one you never knew

>>92724468
Too sappy, the real ending wasn't good but it was better than that.

>>92794647
Lol no it isn't

>>92795214
Your fanfic will never be real

>>92795311
Duh

But at least it's mostly compatible with the canon finale

They had to have spent time together before the wedding and before everyone arrived (which takes months of traveling) and Jack had to have proposed. And he had to have spent time with his family afterwards

>>92795580
How do you think he proposed? I think he took her to that tree and did it right there. Right when it was blossoming

>>92796135
>knows how he wants to ask
>knows where
>practices
>calms himself with a nice tea
>gets here there
>can't spit it out
>Ashi smiles and says "yes."

>>92796323
She probably was super happy and the thought of marrying him pushed any doubt of disappearing out of her mind.
She probably tackled him to the ground from being so happy and the sweet moment hits

>>92796483
>doesn't actually know what marriage is, just gets the vague notion from the way he's acting
>knows anyway that it's right

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>>92777068

>>92796483
I'd personally like too see Ashi not knowing what marriage is and Jack having to explain

>"its a ceremony two people perform together when...... they want to spend the rest of their lives together"
>"...lets get married right now then!"

>>92796135
There has to be a comic out there with Jack reluctantly asking Aku for permission to marry Ashi even though literally no one thinks he should

waifufags are the absolute worst
season 5 was great even though the ending was sad. If you only want happy endings go fucking watch hollywood rom-coms

>>92796720
Thats what I thought I was watching when XCIX aired

>>92796707
Nah, she's far too smart to be naive about it, although I can see her needing to be explained what things are.

>>92796707
Probably she says "yes, of course," then asks what it is.

>>92796772
Ye that was probably the weakest episode.
Also the excessive moaning and screaming while the bugs splurged all over them was pretty weird.

>>92796707
What would he offer aku as a drowery? I think he would give aku partial freedom to attend the wedding

>>92796950
>soaked in digestive acids

There's gonna be a lot of screaming. Don't be lewd.

>>92796950
I personally loved it and thought it was a strong episode, but I'm more saying that it does not fit with the ending, and in the ultimately ruins it. Just like the ending ruins the previous episodes with a completely light tone.

>>92797054
How does it ruin it for you? If we never cared for them it wouldn't mean anything that she disappears.
I also feel it would be kind of cheating if he got to keep Ashi seeing as how he technically destroyed everyone in Aku's world (including the good guys) in order to build up a new better one. It would take away from the sacrifice that was made.

>>92796970
He technically would be attending with Ashi being there to begin with

>Can see everything through Ashi
>Cant do anything about it
>Cries happily when they Kiss

>>92724087
>Did she know

We all knew. But when she didn't immediately poof following Aku's death, we were all (reasonably) lulled into thinking we were in the clear.

>>92797336
It mostly boils down to how you can afford to have poor pacing and lack of explanation for a happy ending, but if you haphazardly slap a tragedy at the end just to call it bittersweet, then the poor pacing/buildup become harder to accept.
This is compounded by the fact that even by the shows logic, the ending doesn't make sense.

>>92797433
>when your writing is so bad and predictable that you have to basically lie to the audience so it seems like a twist

>>92797558
Let's all go to sleep, let's all take a nap. I'm feeling really sleepy, aren't you?

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>>92797874
Fuck you Morgana

>>92797874
>>/pol/

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>>92724087
>HOOOOLY FUCK I HAVE HOW MANY MINUTES TO FINISH THIS EPISODE AND SEASON?
>OK ASHI HAS AKU POWERS NOW AND SHE CAN JUST SEND JACK BACK IN THE PAST
>OK NOW SHE DIES
>GENNDY YOU'VE FUCKING DONE IT

>>92724087
Probably, but It it was decision based on love

Note how even after they fell in love, Jack still expressed regret over his failure in Ep.9 as he painfully accepted that his home will always be just a memory

>>92801459
He later expressed through actions that he would rather give up and die than be the cause of harm towards her

>>92801717
Which is why she didn't give him a choice

He had saved her life a bunch of times by then, she was basically living on borrowed time

>>92801877
she had saved his life even more, by that logic he was on more borrowed time.

>>92802074
The difference being he isn't even supposed to be in that time

>>92802204
>Jack is in the wrong time
>becomes immortal
>ashi is in the wrong time(as well as being sired by a metaphysics defying demon)
>fades away

WACHA

>>92802870
I like to think that Jack was Ashi's entire life from the time she was born. So it makes sense that she sacrifice everything to send him home

>>92806722
Jack never would have wanted that from her. He wanted to free her.

>>92806992
He did free her

And the beauty was that it was her own choice

>>92806722
she should have realized though that she was his entire life as well at that point.

>>92806722
>son of emperor who imprisoned aku trains his whole life to kill aku
>daughter of aku trains her whole life to kill the son of the emperor

>>92808506
Who is their baby trained to fight?

>>92808527
They kid would have been trained to enjoy peace.

>>92808550
Ain't no love in the heart of the city

>>92807081
That's another reason the ending was off, she made the choice not himself