Could modern day earth stop a gem invasion? We have nukes now.

>>92697347
Considering it would be an invasion, wouldn't that mean nuking ourselves?

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Since World War II didn't happen I don't think they have nukes in that world. I remember somebody saying that that world is pretty docile when it comes to human behavior.

Wouldn't weaponized sound be enough to keep them at bay on a battlefield?

>>92697347

I want you to think about how much raw power it would take to generate a beam of light -a beam of LIGHT- that can make something like the Red Eyes to fucking EXPLODE. Think about how much force and energy would be required to do something like that.

Now I want you to think about how the Hand Ship, a small carrier vessel that was by-and-large considered disposable enough for two gems to take to a planet on the verge of exploding, shrugged of not one not two but FOUR such beams impacting at once. It did not stop or slow down.

Homeworld war machines would facetank conventional nuclear weapons without breaking a sweat. You'd need to rapid-fire Czar Bombas at them to do anything, and you'd still fuck all of us long before you fucked any of them.

>>92697347
Yes. Gems are weak and dumb

We would easily hold them off. Their cores are just regular gems and its shown they can be easily shattered. If Bismuth's spike weapon can shatter a gem Im sure a bullet can.

>>92698473
>If Bismuth's spike weapon can shatter a gem
A feet can shatter a gem

>>92698516
hell, Im surprised there was a successful invasion in the first place. They just use melee weapons, primitive humans should have been able to shatter some gems.

>>92698473
>>92698516
>>92698836

Which brings up the question of why they don't armor themselves to protect their one real weakness.

>>92697347
>we have nukes now
>laughing gems just use their powerful lasers to shoot down the nukes
>proceed to use space based lasers to blast all resistance

>>92698836
>Im surprised there was a successful invasion in the first place
No one was there to fight

>>92697347
Who cares? they are not real you autist.

>>92697950
Nuclear radiation was theorized as a means of energy well before the world wars.

>>92697347

Only if the Gems did it REALLY stupidly.

The fact remains that individual gem soldiers are much more durable, faster, and stronger than we are. We use guns, sure, but Gems can just fucking powerjump to close the distance and say "we are in melee now, fuck you" any time they want. Which is probably why the gems never really were too keen on ranged weapons anyway, since in all of their fights the ranged portion of it is almost nonexistent.

Then you get into bullshit gem powers, like future vision (the tactical advantage of which is HUGE) or offensive combat tricks like Opal's bow and arrow, which can fire once and then split into a dozen different well aimed shots. Or completely OP shit like that little blue fairy things wand, which can apparently just stunlock and toss around whole groups of people without repercussion. And unlike a gem, being thrown hundreds of feat into the air will kill a human.

Based on the feats of strength we see Quartz class gems perform, they can tear metal with their bare hands. Dismantling a tank might not be easy, but chances are good they can do it. A fusion certainly can.

Someone is going to point out 'hurr durr, we can just shoot them in the gems!' Of course you can. But THEY can just hit YOU in the ANYWHERE. The number of kill shots you can get on gems in a fight will pale in comparison to what they can do in return, because you have to aim to hit a pretty small target in a chaotic battlefield, and they can just punch you to death or throw a car at you.

Meanwhile, they also have orbital superiority. Assuming they are not really, really dumb, they can cripple global efforts to resist them by destroying the majority of our communications infrastructure in space, meaning that GPS and lots of long range communication just ceased to exist.

And that's not even counting them just blasting our cities from orbit and calling it a day.

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>>92698873
>>92698473
>>92698516
>Shatter meme

Someone did the math from Amethyst's fall. A gem would take 40000 joules to actually shatter.

>>92698981
>using math
>in a kids show
Autismo

>>92698937

Nukes are our only shot at taking down their ships, and if we can't take down the ships we literally cannot win.

This is problematic, because even assuming they can't shoot down the missiles, they can just outrun them. There isn't any serious warmup time on that black hole FTL they have. As soon as they detect an incoming missile, they can just pop around to the other side of the planet, or dodge out of the solar system and return in ten minutes after the missile has run out of fuel.

We don't even really have nukes as a unique advantage either. 5000 years ago they had the Shooting Star, and that shit is a WMD. Homeworld likely has worse by now.

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>>92698981

How much is that compared to anything? Numbers don't really mean anything.

>>92699008
This. Also it implies that Bismuth's weapon spikes a gem with 40,000 joules of force instantly, which is more force than a 14.5×114mm gun. Like the art of that show the logic of it has no consistency. Also I don't think you could really call shattering a meme considering how every time its brought up in the show every character collectively shits a brick and cries for the remainder of the episode.

>>92697347
>Gems can be poofed by a thrown pipe
>use overwhelming melee weapons

Literally that only we have to fear is the orbital bombardments. Why the fuck the gems haven't informed the world governments is beyond me

Oh wait no it's not, it's because Sugar thinks it'll be more interesting to the story if the crystal gems baby sit an obese and literally mentally retarded 15 year old

>>92698937
>but Gems can just fucking powerjump to close the distance and say "we are in melee now, fuck you" any time they want. Which is probably why the gems never really were too keen on ranged weapons anyway, since in all of their fights the ranged portion of it is almost nonexistent.


Why people ALWAYS say this? We are SHOW that Gems can use ranged attacks - like Pearl shoting lasers from her spear, Opal doing multiple kinds of shots with her bow, and Rose having canons that can destroy a fucking meteorite in one shot.

To not talk about the lasers on their ships too.

Gems have plenty of ranged attacks, all more powerful than conventional guns.

>>92699136
Orbital bombardments are a fucking meme. A nuke detonated in space would wreck any nearby ships.

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>>92699104

Well, fuck. Quick google search turns up this.

I'd have to hear the logic behind that anon's math, but even half that means that gems are actually really fucking durable. Enough that most of our guns wont actually kill them with a single shot.

>>92698981
She's a big girl.

>>92699185
We know from the show that ballistic damage wrecks them. Who fucking cares about lazes when the weapon the gems considered to be the deadliest was a fucking arm mounted spike.

As others have said, the gay space rocks can just gunsmoke Earth with their spaceships.

The show is fairly inconsistent in showing how strong/durable an individual gem is, but why would one assume that if soldiers were to engage gems they'd have to aim for a gems ... gem to win? Gems have gotten poofed by swords, sticks, and being squeezed too hard so why wouldn't soldiers just poof enemy gems and then shatter them at their leisure?

>>92699206
Oh yeah but it's the only threat they have. People seriously underestimate how well our nuclear arsenal can be used as planetary defense.

>>92699206

What? No, you fucking idiot.

Space is a vacuum. There is no shockwave. A Nuke will fuck up, at worst, a single ship on a direct hit. If it explodes even 10 meters away from the surface of its target, the damage done to the ship will be mostly heat rather than force. Two ships would basically have to be docked for the nuke to hurt both of them.


This is especially true of actually armored ships belonging to an advanced civilization. Our modern spacecraft are basically balloons, and can be torn apart by just very small debris. Advanced spacecraft also wouldn't give a fuck about the radiation burst, because if you are built for interstellar travel the energy spike from a nuke is bus fare compared to the electromagnetic output from stellar bodies.

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>>92699337

Why shatter them when you can have your own harem of multicolored rock waifu slaves, or the most bitchin' jewelry on the planet?

>>92698981
Didn't Lapis' gem get cracked because someone stepped on it as they were running away? Did that particular gem just deliver a super powered stomp as one last screw you before evacuating?

>>92698836
>They just use melee weapons, primitive humans should have been able to shatter some gems.
They very well may have. The armor and weapons in Rose's armory could be for humans to wear. I figured that there were probably some human auxiliaries in crystal gem armies during the war.
Remember, Sadie, a relatively out of shape human, was able to poof a corrupted gem with a fucking sharpened piece of wood.

>>92699356
The EMP would instantly fuck up their ships
Plus space being a vacuum means nothing is stopping the detonation from continuing forever and fucking up the ship

>>92699340

You mean absolutely terribly?

We are at the bottom of a gravity well. They are not, in any way, obligated to come close to us to throw shit in our direction.

We would need to spend weeks, or at the bare minimum days if we for some reason were already planning for this, preparing special rockets with enough fuel to launch even a single nuclear payload at an enemy in an orbit on par with the moon, and they would have FOUR FUCKING DAYS to shoot the rocket down as it crossed the distance. Or, you know, move.

We have thousands of nukes at our disposal, but we can not get any of them to an enemy in space in any reasonable amount of time unless they are basically kissing our atmosphere.

>>92697950
jesus why are puppies so cute?

>>92699448
So wouldn't conventional fire arms fuck up gems big time?

>>92698146
but you just have to hit their weak point, their gem. we can break diamonds easy

I don't think you even need nukes for that

>>92699122
That's kind of the point of the Breaking Point man. It's really strong.

>>92699484
>emp

Wtf? Where did you get that?

>>92699233
The numbers for how much damage they can take are bullshit
How did they even come up with it?

>>92699617
You didn't know nuclear explosions create emps did you?

>>92699484
>The EMP would instantly fuck up their ships

Why? WE have military hardware that immune to EMP. And we don't sit in space beyond the safety of a planet's electromagnetic field getting bombarded by cosmic rays that fuck up any unsheilded electronics.

> Plus space being a vacuum means nothing is stopping the detonation from continuing forever and fucking up the ship

Okay, let me break this down very simply.

There is no air in space. Its a vacuum.

Force needs a medium to transfer through. Heat benefits from this too, but can make do with radiation in a pinch at the cost of efficiency.

If you explode a nuclear bomb, it will atomize the materials of the bomb itself into plasma. The mass that made up the bomb will expand in all directions, carrying the force of the explosion. But because there is no air to interact with, that force WILL NOT be transferred to anything else unless the expanding bubble of plasma hits it directly.

The explosive potential of the bomb is thus largely wasted, even if the bomb detonates only a short distance from the target, and even a mile away from your target the mass of your bomb is so diffused that you will just knock their shit around a little, dealing no real harm, because you are not hitting them with a massive wave of force. You are hitting them with a few very sparsely spread out atoms, going very fast.

Unless your bomb was a shaped charge, the vast majority of your explosive potential isn't even going towards the ship. Its actually going the opposite direction, because the rocket that carried the nuke to its destination (probably the greatest source of mass of the detonating body) is behind the bomb.

>Light speed to
>Gems send down Rubies
>They fuse and destroy metro area
>Quartz soldiers are sent for actual war
>Lazulis drown sea areas
>Worse comes to worse, glass the surface with hand ships

There would literally be nothing we could do.

>>92699522
Most likely. I think gem durability works like a balloon almost, except much harder. They appear to be very durable to blunt impacts and extreme conditions, but surprisingly weak to piercing weapons.
Case in point
>Pearl
>poofed by a sword (granted, the sword could be special gem metal or something, it's unclear)
>Jasper
>Poofed by a sharpened piece of metal
Like how I compared it to balloon: you can bat it around as much as you want, but take a needle to it, and the whole thing falls apart.
Guns with high penetration capability would be best for anti-gem warfare though. I'm not sure a shotgun or lighter caliber pistol/SMG could do the trick.

>>92699559
No, it just means the guy who did the math was a retard. Assuming the gem weighs 1kg, which is pretty fucking generous, it would have to fall for over 4 kilometers in order for its kinetic energy just before impact to be 40,000 joules. There is no way in hell Bismuth's weapon did that much damage.

>>92699406
you know I wonder if it's possible for a human on that earth to have a zoo of gems like the gems have a human zoo, made possible due to poofing and then not allowing a gem to reform until in a proper containment zone

>>92699709
We literally do not have emp proof electronics
The only thing we have is putting shit behind fuckloads of lead or in the ground

Also your space is a vacuum argument is bullshit.

>>92699726
I think it works more like any other crystal structure. You wont shatter it with the energy weapons used in the show, you wont scratch it, it can take a lot of applied force, but hard impacts just shatter them.

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>>92699666
I mean where did you get the idea that electromagnetic would fuck up Gem tech? It's by far their most impressive asset.

>>92699740

The original math was for Amythest. I'm pretty sure that her whole body weighs more than 1kg, even if maybe her gem itself weighs that. If she did, the absurd air drag from her physical form would basically act as a parachute.

>>92699740
Dude, the gem didn't fall. Amethyst with the Gem embedded in her chest fell. And onto a sharp rock with her arms and legs at her side. And the gem didn't even crack.

Why can't Bismuth's weapon be that strong? The point is that it would change everything. Obviously it has to be fucking strong as hell.

>>92699709
>>92699799
Stop acting like a moron and read up about the bullshit you claim to know shit about

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-altitude_nuclear_explosion

>>92699799
In his defense the space vacuum argument is right. In a vacuum a nuke will just sent out a lot of radiation, but the EMP would probably fuck with the electronics of the ships. I

>>92699740
>>92699856
All of this is bullshit because SU fans have been telling me for fucking weeks that the reason the fights suck add and don't have momentum is because the gems are mostly light and don't have mass

>>92697347
They have orbital lasers, they could toast us without ever setting foot on the ground. The medieval weaponry is for fun. Why press a button when you can lop off heads and feel the blood hit your face?

>>92697347

Gems could be ok in warhammer40K universe. They only need to ally with the Tau empire and as gem auxiliaries can survive most of w40K insane dangers.

what do you think about modern earth? we are fucked. Any space faring race is advanced enough to destroy us.

>>92699821
I mean I assumed their space shit ran on electronics and not some stupid gem magic plot patch

>>92699856
If the argument relies on the weight of her full form and not just the gem then the claim that 40000 joules is needed to shatter her gem is bullshit because her body would have absorbed most of that shock. Her body may have taken that much force, but not her gem.

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>>92699233
That's just from commercially available firearms. Once you get into military hardware the numbers go up A LOT.

>>92699889
Being light doesn't mean they lack mass. Also I used 1kg for my math, which is very light.

>>92698873
Vanity and an unchecked reign. Homeworld has had it too easy for too long, they've gone complacent.

>>92697347

>don't need to eat or drink
>don't need air to survive
>ageless
>naturally stronger and resilient
>technology indistinguishable than magic
>every gem is armed
>fast "reproduction" cycles
>can live in space

what do you think anon? We only need to know how strong they are against bullets and explosions and we are fucked.

>>92699860

Your link explictly explains why its not a threat in space.

> The gamma rays penetrate the atmosphere and collide with air molecules, depositing their energy to produce huge quantities of positive ions and recoil electrons (also known as Compton electrons). The impacts create MeV-energy Compton electrons that then accelerate and spiral along the Earth's magnetic field lines.

The unique conditions of high altitude atmosphere allow for a large dump of electrons that spread and fuck up an area. In space, without air molecules to interact with, you don't get this effect.

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>>92697347
Diamond-tipped sniper rounds

The America in SU seems more inclined to have a lot of libertarian and conservative prepers all over the place with well armed local militias.
No WWII, but they still won independence. This could be similar.

As for modern earth, yeah duh

>>92697347
Gems win.

The problem everyone is over looking is that the gem race is an empire. Sure they may lose a ship or two to nukes. But they'll quickly learn from such mistakes and just attack from afar.

Actually scratch that. They could easily systematicly disable us simply by taking out our satalites. Our military systems are heavily reliant on GPS. Without satallites to coordinate most first world nations are fucked. Watch this video https://www.c-span.org/video/?428018-1/witnesses-warn-electromagnetic-pulse-attack-damage-us-electric-grid if you want to learn just how weak the US power and military system is to EMP attacks.

From there we enter panic mode as nations start being over taken. Allies back stab each other and try to send nukes/missles at each other thinking sacrificing one nation is worth it.

>>92698981
Some gems are strong, but some are brittle. And even the strongest ones have points in their cuts where a precise slice can split the gem in half easily.

>>92699023
>5000 years ago they had the Shooting Star
I completely forgot about that.

Aren't they just actual gems at their core? Couldn't humans just get a shit ton of giant amplifiers and shatter the gems with waves of high frequency sound until they shatter and die Venom style?

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>>92699104
>>92699233
>>92699963
All this talk of cracking/shattering is pretty null. Gems will be damaged and shattered as the plot demands likely without much regard to actual force.

That is unless you think pic related is stomping down with the force of multiple shotgun blasts or something.

>>92697431
like that would ever stop us. humans are fucking stupid and would destroy the earth and ourselves if it means they can't have it

>>92700163
I fail to see how that is stupid.

>>92700146
sound can't travel in a vacuum and gems can attack from high orbit

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>>92699631
from Amethyst's fall.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV1NiqGVGQo

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>>92700190
>Not giving up Earth to superior lesbian overlords

>>92700016
You do know that just because diamonds are hard they can still shatter right? I think any metal besides those that are liquid at room temperature would make a better bullet.

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>gems are a thre-

>>92700160
I think somebody earlier brought up the fact that a foot could shatter a gem. The argument comes from some retard thinking tens of thousands of joules are needed to shatter a gem.

>>92699484
A simple flask robonoid was shown to be impervious to an EMP blast that took out an entire town's electricity.

Didn't a normal teenage girl poof a gem with a stick?

>>92699448
Corrupt gems are noticeably far weaker and easy to poof.

>>92700286
>besides those that are liquid at room temperature
Just put them in a heat-resistant shell. Bullets are all about the mass and maintaining shape is only important until the point of impact (to make sure all the energy is condensed in a small area; hardness isn't a factor).

Alternately put them in a shell designed to break apart in launch. Shooting a high-velocity mist of Mercury at someone sounds like a pretty horrific experience. Well, to a person anyway.

>>92700269
The only good gem is a dead gem

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIGHCoVzqtk

>>92697347
Of course. The Diamonds are awful leaders, being women after all, and the Gems are too autistic to be able to adapt to new situations easily.
I mean, if two gems, one hideous freak of nature and one mongrel can hold Homeworld at bay, what chance have they against seven billion humans?

>>92697431
We'd have to nuke them in space, before the get inside the atmosphere. Upper atmosphere might be fine too, depending on the weapon in question.

>>92697347
homeworld has an army
earth has the MURDERCOCK

although, Earth as a resource by homeworld's perspective is spent. Humans have mined and terraformed most of the planet so prime kindergarten spots and places to build would be compromised in quality.

Logistically, it wouldn't make sense for homeworld to conquer earth no matter how resource starved they are. that's like invading a country just to get at their scraps.

>>92700146

Its not as simple as that. Creating the frequency to shatter a material is hard to do outside controlled conditions, and different gems have different compositions so you can't have a single frequency that kills all of them even if you did make it work somehow.

>>92700146
A gem war would be like vietnam war.

Only they are the Americans and we are the piss ants. And they have no moral obligations or hang ups with nuking everything should something go wrong.

>>92700476
I like the point about only needing mass and shape, because mercury is super dense it might make a good bullet. But imagine a battlefield dense with mercury mist while you as a human are fighting the personification of a rock.

>>92700478
this niggas got the right idea

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If FUCKING sadie and peridot can poof gems everyone can.

>>92699927
She landed right on her gem and there's an audible crack. Not counting air drag, her gem took full impact.

>>92700643
Don't pull shit bull shit on me, Lapis was cracked by a fucking foot. Unless you are telling me that foot hit with at least 40000 joules of force your argument is complete bullshit.

I think everybody in this thread is forgetting that an entire gem invasion was pushed back by a few gems using melee weapons. If orbital bombardment was an option then they would have glasses the surface of our planet because they had no moral issues with destroying all life on Earth.

>>92700160
>believing Lapis the rapist's story
Lapis is a liar who has zero proof. Her word is as good as nothing, so the stomping argument is null.

>>92698981
But have you considered the possibility that the Gems' cores have similar physical makeups to their real world counterparts? If this were true, then a single measurement may not be accurate to account for the large varieties of Gems we've encountered.

>>92700739
Back in the rebellion rose did have laser cannons that could destroy capital ships

>>92700739
>using melee weapons
and a commander who could summon an army of expendable plant soldiers, and who could heal any gem injury shy of a full shattering, and who readily fused into enoromous kaiju as the situation needs

>>92700163
Nukes wouldn't destroy the Earth though. Do you even realise how many hundreds of nukes we've set off already?

>Gems land and get out their melee weapons
>Tactical nuke
>Gems leave, assuming the Cluster will get us

>>92700882
>>92700865
Completely missing my point. Sure they could deal with land units and near earth ships. But one of the better arguments for the gems winning was bombardment from space, even from a range outside of earths orbit. However, the home-world gems did not use that option then when if would have been the most logical option for a race largely governed by logic, with some exception. This leads me to believe either they wont use bombardment or they cant, and that their ships have a shorter range. Either way, I don't see why you two are arguing against me, you are basically affirming my argument that even with the home-world technology they can be driven away.

>>92697347
Revolutionary War era weaponry and proper strategy could stop them. Becky's story HINGES on the fact that there are no guns.

>>92701066
>largely governed by logic

The whole point of the Gempire is they only claim to be governed on logic and are actually based on bullshit tradition, a rigid caste system, and the Diamonds' feefees.

>>92701066
They probably didn't simply because they wanted to minimize the amount of forces lost and relied mostly on troops in the nearby star system. Its also possible that the CG's had some HW ships as well or supporters among the air fleet considering Pearl remittances about the aerial fights they got into.

We see that once HW considered the planet a lost cause that they easily wiped out everyone in one blow.

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>>92701372
>only claim to be governed on logic and are actually based on bullshit tradition, a rigid caste system, and the Diamonds' feefees.
How curious is it that they're women, too?

>>92697950
>Since World War II didn't happen
Wait what, where does it say it never happened?

>>92698981
>A gem would take 40000 joules to actually shatter.
Lapis got poofed from getting punched and then cracked from getting stepped over.

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Are you talking about the Earth of Steven Universe or OUR Earth?

Because OUR Earth would kill the shit out of the Gems. We're some brutal, bloodthirsty motherfuckers, and we have a frightening array of extremely powerful weapons. America could probably beat a Gem invasion all by itself. Pic related, I'd like to see how a squadron of Gems would do when they had to eat minigun.

>>92700544
>murdercock meme
A gem has to willingly form a varguba for that to work, Greg.

>>92697347
Humans would win, so long as that little shit, Steven remains fictional.

He's constantly sparing the enemy's life and destroying effective weapons to combat gems.

>>92702068
The destruction done by one assault rifle would be deadly, let alone an actual fucking minigun. That would just rape them so hard it'd turn them all straight.

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>>92702194
A normal human who knows how to use a pistol could easily kill a gem. The only thing homeworld has on earth is orbital strikes and it's a huge plot hole as to why they didn't do that to Rose from the first place

Unless of course the female leaders are irrational and ruled by their emotions kek

>>92697431
You're implying we don't already do that.

>>92702359

Haven't watched the show in a long time, couldn't she just no sell with shield barriers?

>>92700693
>Lapis was cracked by a fucking foot
Where's the proof? You only have a shitty gem's word.

>>92702434
Isn't Rose just a normal quartz? I don't know how powerful the average quartz is, but I highly doubt a single one of them could shield an entire planet, much less from sustained orbital bombardment.

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>>92697347
gems are dumb as shit. literally zero organization and no incentive to follow orders. an organized military like rome could kick their asses.
>inb4 space ships
based on the how the handship went down, we can guess that handships are only impervious against gem tech (i.e. light based weapons) and modern projectiles can rip that thing apart. (i.e. a cannon or a catapult)

but apparently in SU, since europe was so fucked rome wouldnt even exist so whatever

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I know this is tangentially related, but does anyone else thing the diamonds are kind of terrible at being sociopaths? I mean, it's clear that they view other gems as merely tools, and they don't even recognize human beings as even being on the same level as gems. But to the audience, gems aren't shown to be more mentally or emotionally advanced than humans. Even the diamonds still have emotions, tempers, and show grief. So what is the logic in saying that the diamonds are the most advanced, most perfect beings in the universe, when any observer will realize that they're no different from humans?

>>92702608
The more I think about this the more it bugs the SHIT out of me, because with this being true, how is anything Sugar is trying to communicate in SU going to be effective?

I understand that all fantasy and science fiction involves worlds that aren't our own, but in the case of SU it's more than just a fantastical medieval setting or a setting far in an advanced tech future. Sugar has literally crafted a world radically different than ours in very deep, calculated ways, and, moreover, in ways that would result in fundamental changes to human nature as it has developed in history. It could be argued that the humans in SU aren't equivalent to the humans in our own world, because their history and corresponding sense of self is so fundamentally unlike what we have.

And in that case, how do any of the show's morals translate over into our own world? What on earth can we learn from Steven, Connie, Greg, etc., when they by all accounts live and act and even think in ways that are nothing like our ways? On the surface, SU isn't as fantastical as some other fantasy/sci-fi worlds, but when you dig a little deeper, it's so utterly alien that it's hard to find common ground with the people who live on it.

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>>92702359
There's no fucking way a pistol could stop your average Gem. Garnet, who isn't even as strong as Topaz, can jump into the stratosphere, casually toss around cars, move faster than eyesight, swim in lava etc. I wouldn't be surprised if Garnet was bullet time.

>>92702711
Propaganda.

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This machine kills gems.

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>>92702733
>>92702608
>rome and greece did not exist
ayo hol the fuck up
how the FUCK does anything in SU resemble our world in any way? we'd all be in fucking tribes if not for rome and greece. stevens first thought in the moon base should have been
>"ooo big big land across big big lake, me take tribe with blessing of witch doctor and take all da gold *pounds chest furiously*"
is sugar completely fucking oblivious to history?

I'm pretty sure a handgun would be able to shatter most gems

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>>92703040
>is sugar completely fucking oblivious to history?

She's taking a LOT of creative liberties

>>92702738

Gems get hit with so conventional weapons and they poor
You don't even need to kill them to take them out of the fight

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so can it be ANY earth? cause i can think of one empire that would go into an autistic genocidal fit at the sight of a human-alien hybrid

>>92702738
really? you say this as the "perfect gem soldier(tm)" got shrekt by an autist with a stick

>>92703065

Depends on the handgun. A .22 can't even reliably shatter human bone.

The problem, of course, is actually HITTING the gem, something a lot of 'lolguns' arguments seem to overlook.

People are a lot harder to kill when you have to hit a single specific part of their body that is often an inch or two across at most, and is often in a random place on the body so you can never train for shooting only for the optimal kill.

Shooting the gem first requires figuring out where their gem IS. Unless you are an undiscovered sniper, the gem uses that time to either jump 70 feet and spinkick your skull out of your body, or just incinerate you or some other bullshit.

Hell, modern Peridots suck, but if an old-school Peridot had the same level of control over their metal powers and most gems do in their special abilities? Just a couple of oldschool Peridots can just take away your guns. Bend the barrels, render them useless, move on tot he next guy while the soldiers mop up the hilariously defenseless humans.

>>92703040
She also prevented the world wars so Japan should own literally all of Asia

>>92697347
Probably since the gems seem fucking retarded

>>92703214
He said MODERN, you 40k-brony.

>>92703065
Honestly this, I find it funny that they're treated as almost invincible when they're extremely fragile beings.

>>92699723
>>Gems send down Rubies

Rubies have been show to survive atmospheric entry and landing, entirely unaided, and be perfectly fine seconds later.

Homeworld doesn't even have to land to drop off troops. They could literally just have like, a giant fucking catapult launching handfuls of Rubies at Earth from the moon and they'd be just fine. We'd never be able to tell where they were going to land before they fused into Mega Ruby and started wrecking shit, and they're far too small to intercept or shoot down.

>>92697347
>Implying we haven't already turned the moon into a deathstar

>>92702738
>bullet time
Can't a 13 year old Indian with a stupid oversized sword keep up with gems?

>>92703281
oh. i cannot into reading

>>92703211

Sure, but in a war the logistical advanatage from poofing is huge.

Imagine if OUR soldiers could have their heads or limbs blown clean off and be back into fighting condition in a timespan that is minutes at soonest, days at worst.

All other things being equal, that's an advantage that wins wars.

>>92703252
well since Russia was apparently fucked, Asia wouldn't be recognizable since the mongols wouldn't have existed

>>92703250
You don't need to hit the gem. You just need to do enough damage to poof them
From what we've seen you just need to hit them a few times with even a .22 and they're out of commission
>>92703113
I love how the fusion is so feminine because of the total and conplete lack of masculinity Steven brings to the relationship
>>92703340
Yes a tiny 13 year old Indian who weighs probably less than 100 pounds managed to match the strength of topaz fucking kek

>>92697347
Invasion? yes but we couldn't stop them from destroying earth.

>>92703375
I find it amusing you think we would immediately fuck up those gems. Only if we had to retreat and couldn't return before they reformed or were collected would that even come into play

Assuming we didn't just wait for them to go collect or reform and bomb the shit out of them

>>92703375
reforming in minutes is super dangerous and leads to instability and weakness, gems take days to reform into a stable state. imagine if every time our soldiers were hit, they just sit there for days on end not making a move and being at the rest of the worlds mercy. at least injured people can still do something, gems, not so much. also, if a gem is cracked or badly scratched, theyre done until a rose quarts can heal them, and since YD has all the rose quartz in one fucking room doing nothing, gems are at a big disadvantage
honestly i still wonder how theyre still alive

>>92703380
Mongols had literally no impact on Japan so that page of history wouldn't change. Without WWII and American intervention, all of Asia would belong to the Japanese

>>92703501
Reforming in minutes does not cause instability, reforming in seconds does.

>>92703516
the mongols had an impact on china, china had an impact on japan, japan would still be fucked. and if rome never existed like this anon said >>92702608 europe would have never found japan so theyd still be in the samurai days

>>92703040

Earth in Steven Universe is obviously very different to ours.

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Powerlevel-wise, gems outclass humans because deathlaser bullshit.
They're EXTREMELY shit tactically, though. We'd win simply because the gems would lose a game of tic-tac-toe to a toddler.

Video unrelated

>>92703543
wrong. the whole point of pearl staying in her gem for so long was to be stable. amy reformed in minutes, so she died all the time

>>92703607
except through the magic of plot holes, its not. earth in SU is almost exactly the same just everyone is insufferably nice

>>92703634
Pearl stayed in her gem for two weeks because of her OCD. Literally every single other gem reformed within the same day if not the same hour after getting poofed.

>>92703634

Ruby and Sapphire reformed shortly after being poofed and taken captive. Peridot reformed immediately after being released from her bubble.

>>92703604
The fuck are you on about the the change to China by the Mongols did nothing to Japan. Also THE MONGOLS AREN'T FROM RUSSIA YOU MOOK

>>92703720
but thats, once again, wrong. we have no fucking clue how long garnet, steven, pearl and amy were on the handship, and how long they had to reform.
even still, sitting on the ground for minutes is a huge fucking deal breaker in war, especially if you poof as easy as gems

>>92703607
Sugar actually said it's exactly the same despite the gems unexplainably preventing both world wars

>>92697347

Depends as to whether bullets can crack gems I guess.

Though that being said, modern day gems would probably wreck us considering they probably have the ability to do an orbital strike on the planet if they were serious enough.

>>92703780
>the mongols are not from russia
no fucking shit, but if russia never existed than they couldnt have conquered russia and thus never became an empire

>>92703815
It's almost like Sugar keeps it vague so she can do whatever is convienent to the plot

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>>92703815
nigga they were on the ship for an hour tops. it was still the same day when they got off and connie called.

>>92701372
So they're exactly like every other group that claims to be based on "logic" or "rationality?"

>>92703886
>>92703871
even still, based on how easy gems are poofed, you could just shoot it as it attempts to reform. wash rinse and repeat until you get close enough to shatter it

>>92703863
The Mongols barely went into Europe they not only started by invading central Asia so invading China isn't contingent on them taking Russia but thrh never evem pushed as far into that stupid crater Sugar made in the nation

>>92703242
shrekt by a stick

A sharp piece of metal from a gem injector flying at who knows how fast completely impaled her in her weakened state.

>>92702738

Amethyst fell onto a rock and cracked her gem, what makes you think large caliber bullets wouldn't at least crack a gem?

Fusions may be another story since they have weird powers, but as it is, I think most general quartz types could be killed or poofed by bullets.

>>92697431

Yeah, that's why nukes have never been deployed since WW2. Essentially, the entire military community has no idea how to actually make strategic gains through their deployment, and attempting to invade a nuclear power is a non-starter because they always have the last resort choice to nuke any sizable army.

So yes, if we got Red Dawned we'd just nuke the larger parts of the invading force and deal with a bit of fallout.

>>92703942
it wasnt even as fast as a baseball
and dont pretend gem material is anything special, based on how gem stuff breaks, its mostly rock based, i.e. brittle and not good as armor, unless in large amounts

>>92703998
We have literally launched hundreds of nukes moron

>>92704021
He's just going to fall back on Jasper being weak from the corruption. SU fans are about as logical as the fucking gems

Hence arguing fire arms wouldnt somehow be insanely effective against the gems

>>92704027

... and?

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>>92703940

>>92704126
So they aren't some dooms day weapon that are actually insanely useful once mad is out of the picture

>>92697347

Even if we could, we couldn't do dick against them if they decided to chuck some asteroids at us. It's not like they need a breathable atmosphere.

>>92704169
>>92704027
>testing is the same as combat
are you fucking retarded?

>>92704146
Not only does that not show them taking Russia first but they barely clip into the massive crater.
And I love how you just assume this would have prevented them from invading China

Also FUCK you for detailing this bullshit. The original point of all of this was that without WWII Japan would own the entirety of Asia

>>92704226
God you are a fucking idiot. I'm not about to argue that Nukes aren't somehow significantly less effective in war because we haven't done it yet

>>92698981
Those calculations assume that they're using Earth's gravity as their default. We know that gems automatically adjust their personal gravity no matter which planet they're on. They could very well have their gravity "set" to whatever it is on homeworld, which could be less than Earth.

That would also explain why they all land so softly when they fall.

>>92704213
but theyve never been shown to do that.
the only WMDs the gems have are the diamonds bad singing and a geode that takes 5000 years to form and required the corpses of millions of dead gems to work, and only the latter can effect humans

>>92704169
>>92704276

>insanely useful

It's actually an incredibly difficult thing to find a legitimate strategic use for them. They changed the face of war. Classic military compositions and large troop movements became impossible against a nuclear capable nation, and they have absolutely zero utility in proxy wars. Further, you can't use them on soft targets because it kills too many people which makes them economically inviable.

I don't know why you're angrily arguing against 70 years of military thought on the subject, but I'm sure people would love it if you could suggest a way to make them viable weapons.

>>92704226
Pretty sure atomic weapons are just as effective in combat as we the they are

>>92704276
He seems to have forgotten about Hiroshima and Nagasaki
>>92704290
And this thread is officially too autistic for me

>>92704276
we have only tested them. one of the reasons they havent been used is because they are a tactical nightmare and offer no real benefit because nukes work against the enemy and you

>>92704336
Last try:

Nuclear weapons will be useful against an invading force of aliens

>>92704344
Do kids not learn that we nuked the fucking Japanese in WWII?
Are these the retarded who watch SU?

>>92704373

>attempting to invade a nuclear power is a non-starter because they always have the last resort choice to nuke any sizable army.
>So yes, if we got Red Dawned we'd just nuke the larger parts of the invading force and deal with a bit of fallout.
>Classic military compositions and large troop movements became impossible against a nuclear capable nation

I said that three times over, you weird, angry person.

>>92704291
>the diamonds bad singing
>humans: 'we are going to invade you'
>the diamonds: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>there are people in this very thread that honestly think we would beat the gems

jesus Christ. I know "humans, fuck yeah" is cool but like that's pure autism

>>92698937

too bad all gems are displayed as stunningly incompetent at actually utilizing their powers well. They seem way too reliant on using gems to power their equipment with magic, and not enough on actually using what they have well.

Peridots technology was pretty lackluster excluding the magic empowerment. it's maybe slightly more advanced than human tech and they've had 5000 years of development time since interstellar travel.

>>92704394
no shit they worked in WW2 because the japs were a small island and didnt have nukes. go against a large nuclear state and the only result is nuclear war

>>92703780
>>92704238
>The original point of all of this was that without WWII Japan would own the entirety of Asia
Citation needed.

Well stabs have been proven to poof gems such a pearl and Bismuth and I'm sure utilizing gem tech scientist can develop several new destabilizing weaponry maybe destabilizing bullets and perhaps huge destabilizing bombs for fusions and diamonds which would have no effect on humans

>>92704433
did you read the fucking thread? gems are both dumb as shit and their tech has been proven to be a handicap rather than an advantage. see >>92702608
>>92703418
>>92703615

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>>92703921
Honestly, I found it funny when Topaz went on about how Gem society was towards emotions, when we've seen that even the highest of gems are super emotional.

I'm not even sure if this hypocrisy was intended by the writers

>>92704338
>And this thread is officially too autistic for me
They went out of their way to explain that they have gravity fuckery when they went to the moon.

>>92703615
_ _____ ____ ____ _______.
Didn't Peridot try to do sneaky warp pad stuff, though? That's kind of tactics.

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>>92704549
>there are humans in this thread RIGHT NOW that think they would beat fucking magic aliens that can fuse with each other, shapeshift, regenerate, and have FTL travel with near impervious exterior

stop playing warhammer

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>>92704636
>the gems are better than everyone because they are aliens
back to your autism general
>>>/trash/

>>92702733

I always consider steven universe to be a dimension where every individual is like 25% as competent and attentive as they are in our world.

I was always hoping that it would turn out the crystal gems were operating a brainwashing/cloaking device out of the temple/lighthouse, explaining why a doctor and 2 world travelers had no real problems with the gems, and instead just immediately shifted their attention to the next biggest issue for them at that point in time. That would be a reveal that would be actually interesting and morally grey for the crystal gems to have done to display their shady past.

Every single human is shown to be just completely oblivious of everything going on. The gems are only slightly better. If everybody in the SUU were increased in competency correspondingly to real life, gems would be a real threat to mankind, but the gems as shown in the show would never have the organization, strategy, or communication to harm earth.

>>92704716
>gems are proven to be dumb as shit, and their tech is more of a handicap than an advantage
>REEEEEEEEEE STOP MAKING ME THINK REEEEEEEEE
figures faggots you watch this show

>>92704765
while gems may have the IQ of a downie, humans in this world act like they all have fucking lead poisoning
one of the reasons i could not get into this show fully is because every single character makes the absolute dumbest decision every time

>>92697347
We would quickly realize their weakness to sound. Than real boomboxes

>>92704716

I get the feeling humans would adapt to gem warfare a lot faster than gems would adapt to human warfare.

If they decide to attack earth, there is a good possibility that humans could poof a couple gems. Its been implied a bunch that gems can have their powers implanted into items if you jam the gem into them, like lapis and the mirror, and the concept of harvesting. If humans could harvest gems or gem shards the war would turn quickly.

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>>92704719
>IN
>THIS
>VERY
>THREAD

I said this before but whatever. First, recon to large cities. Two, Rubies begin conflict, they fuse to keep up. They install warp pads and attack military bases. They aren't very strong but they are by far the most durabale gems we've seen so far, surviving being drooped from space, hit by spaceships etc.

They install warp pads. Quartz soldiers formally invade the cities. Surrender or die. War ensues.

Lazulis drown and submerge land masses. Injectors drastically alter the land and destruct it

FTL fleets warp jump into atmosphere. Surface is fucking razed into non existence.

>>92704830

And there doesn't appear to be a strong central government at all.

Nobody did anything at all when the ocean disappeared into a giant space pillar? nobody checked in on that at all?

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>>92704772
>yeah man I would totally survive the zombie apocalypse

just pathetic. no amount of fucking "logic" is going to stop red eyes and fusions. this is like saying we would beat Godzilla because you say it's not smart.

>>92704952
literally all of this has to be done over the course of thousands of years. humans can just kill anyone when they get close. stop being such a cuck and ditch the sci-fi meme

>>92699913
Pearl literally invented an EMP device and tested it out and it failed to stop one of Peridot's robonoids. They actually did an episode specifically dedicated to showing that gem-tech is resistant to EMPs.

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Why wouldn't the gems just prefer to have sex with humans?

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>>92705014
>all of this has to be one over the course of thousands of years

anon, it happened in a few decades. the only thing that took thousands of years was the fucking gem war, in which they fought against other mountain busting superpowered gems.

>>92705009
>red eye destroyed by a LIGHT cannon

lmao
m
a
o

>>92705009
>this is like saying we would beat Godzilla because you say it's not smart.
thats exactly what fucking happened you retard. please off yourself
also
>my army can be literal autists but just because they have space ships they win
you sound like a fucking toddler

>>92700160
The problem is that shattering a gem just means you've got a bunch of disembodied arms that are going to strangle you. Gems don't die easy. It's possible that they literally can't die at all.

>>92701969
That was done by a gem.

>>92705071
>few decades
do you watch the show? the whole reason peridot is upset at the moon base is because rose ruined thousands of years of work. you are a retard

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>>92700478
space niggers fuck off.
human death squads fucking when

>>92705093
gems have never once been implied than humans and since they are explicitly light projections, they should lighter

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>>92705075
>when I get punched into orbit by a jasper but then i use logic to dodge it and blast her with a gun haha epic

They were smart enough or whatever to build weapons of mass destruction capable of literally destroying all of central Russia and killing like 60% of humans in a few years.

this is sad

>>92704534
Did you forget pearl was stabbed by a hologram that could effortlessly slice through a thick tree with a balloon sword? And don't even bring up Island Adventure that was pure plot induced event.

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>>92705154
*been implied heavier than humans

>>92705163
>durr my gems have no organization and go around like theyre in COD and have no incentive to follow orders, but they win because the plot says so
hello ronaldo

>>92704098
Look. They're only good against the first wave of gems. Unless they're straw villains that only exist to make manly men feel tough, the gems will recalculate and switch to a largely range-based approach. At which point humanity will die because hey guess what! Bullets are even better at killing humans than they are gems!

>>92705107
son. hollowing out the fucking earth isn't necessary for what i said. the building of warp pads and laying down of injectors all happened within like the first hundred years of gem interaction with earth. in the answer it's clear that the earth was newly found but they already had set up shop

>>92704291
Just because they don't want to, doesn't mean they can't. Like during Rose's Rebellion, the Crystal Gems probably thought the diamonds couldn't sing a song that would turn every gem on Earth (not covered by Rose's shield) into an insane monster, or even if they could, they wouldn't do so.

They were mistaken.

just throw the EDF at them

>>92705222
>the gems will recalculate
Literally never ever.

>>92705263
I think we just don't respect the Gems as a threat because the show doesn't give us a reason to. It's not a war show, so we don't see them painted as warriors, and when they do fight it's not terribly impressive.

>>92705234
once again, even that took hundreds if not thousands of years. its shown the gems were around for much longer than the rebellion. but who cares, your just going to pull shit out of your ass just like sugar to defy all logic and continue screeching. this show is shit and so are you.

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>>92705216
literally where are you even getting this from? we've only seen small recon squads and a lone fucking jasper fight. it is canon that the gems have been consistently successful at the eradicating life on planets and hollowing them out. we haven't seen anything the gems have in store and even what we have seen would fuck us over 10x.

>>92697347
It would be some xcom type scenario we're the ay was already waiting for gems to make contact and they capture the gems and their technology so they can work up how to make our own space ships and gem technology
If there is one things humans do well is war

>>92705263
well if you want me to believe that the gems have more WMDs, then show it. im not going to sit here and go off the ass-pulls of autistic fanboys

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>>92705298
>REEE I CAN BEAT UP THE MEAN ALIEN LESBOS MYSELF

calm down lad ahah

>>92705319
>eradicating life on planets
literally the only time weve seen or herd of the gems interacting with organic life is on earth, hence the reason the rebellion happened on earth and not on home world

>>92705368
>well, um, uh your just stupid. ha ha i win
steven universe fans, everyone

Why is everyone so fixated on bullets? Gem bodies are hard light projections from their gems.

Poof the body then spray the gem with a sticky, light absorbing liquid. That's as good as bubbling.

>>92705339
This hasn't really been brought up in the thread yet, and it goes back to the point made here >>92702068 . The humans on our own Earth are quite good at taking things apart and figuring out how they work. We would long ago have reverse-engineered Gem tech, so we'd be fighting on a more even playing field.

You all seem to forget Garnet got hit by multiple fucking cars being slung into her and didn't poof.


The gems have orbital ships, time travel (which BTW is at least 5000 years old tech) stuff like aquamarine's wand which may or may not be her gem weapon. Then also you have their far far faster speed.

And this is all just the tip of the iceberg.

>>92705441
once more, all of that was debunked in this thread. read nigger

>>92705428
sadie poofed a gem with a sharpened stick.

there's no reason you couldn't blindly fire into a crowd of melee brandishing gems and not poof most of them

>>92705465
Debunked by what a fucking toddler?

>>92705433
if that fails there's always the fact that they're ridiculously easy to manipulate, and that's how the last invasion was stopped

>>92705478
That was pure plot convenience at its finest, an outlier if there ever was one.

>>92705486
everyone fucking here. go back to your shit general if you want to shitpost

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>>92705514
Hey if that's what the show gives you, that's what you work with.

>>92705519
What the fuck debunks garnet tanking cars used as projectiles? I'm not reading through all this shit, you apparently know about the debunk, fill me in.

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>>92705433
>humans on our own Earth are quite good at taking things apart and figuring out how they work

Dude, just like how we made microwaves and stealth fighters by reverse engineering UFOs in Area 51.

>>92705514
>REEEEEEEEEEE IT WAS JUST ONE TIME DONT USE THE EPISODES TO DETERMINE THIER STRENGTH
this thread is too autistic

>>92705433
Stop being stupid. We still can't reverse-engineer Damascus steel and only recently figured out the formula for Roman concrete, and they were LESS advanced than us by far. Gem technology goes against our current laws of physics, but you think the human spirit can just overcome those odds?

>>92705537
No you go with consistency.

>>92705551
see
>>92702608
>>92703615
>>92703242
begone, cuck

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>>92705582
Steven Universe doesn't have consistency and you know it.

>>92704394
>argument is about why they haven't been used since ww2
>god do these retards not know that we used them in ww2?
Good job, anon.

>>92704549
>>92705593
...Someone saying that because the Hand-ship blew up after the central generator was destroyed, which is the most common sci-fi spaceship trope, that means that a completely ordinary catapult can destroy it?

Are you utterly retarded? I have no idea how you could make such a stupid leap in logic and yet haven't died from choking on your own tongue.

>>92705560
I bet your one of those who think that since hulk once got severely hurt by regular gorillas that means he sucks.
Huh? Oh hey since Thor once got knocked unconscious by a gunshot that makes him weak as fuck.

Yeah it's called outlier retard.

>>92705561
Actually we figured out how damascus steel works.

And we didn't need to figure out Roman concrete because we just invented something new that works every bit as well.

It's not spirit, it's cleverness. We're extremely clever.

>>92705608
Thats art consistency, a complete different topic.

>>92705649
okay now i know your not reading the thread. he said nothing about a generator, just that the ship itself is weak

>>92705478
Sadie poofed a corrupted gem. And a stealth specialist corrupted gem at that.

>>92705655
Doesn't an Indian child with a month of training go toe to toe with these gems?

>>92705655
but it wasnt an outlier, it happened again with jasper. weve gone through this.
back to your autisim general >>>/trash/sug

>>92698873
That is their true self, so probably needs to be exposed for sensory reasons.

>>92705720
a female child at that

most dangerous humans in SU
>Obese 4ft female teenager
>13 year old little girl

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>>92705593
>samefagging this hard

you don't need muh epic European tactics to blow shit up idiot. you're seriously trying to argue that a catapult can destroy the hand ships with no real evidence at all.

>>92705702
>she only killed a hulking invisible monster, weak!
also connie makes your argument irrelevant >>92705720

>>92705697
Except there's literal zero fucking reason to think that you drooling shithead.

There isn't even a fucking scrap of evidence that gem ships are hyper-vulnerable to physical force, hell, that doesn't even make any sense you embarassment, since space is filled with small rocks that can really damage our primitive space-ships.

>>92705779
>REEEEE YOUR NOT USING EVIDENCE WITH A FICTIONAL SHOW
theres no point in arguing with faggots like you, your just going to pull shit out of your ass because mommy sugar said so

>>92705811
gem space ships are made of gem-like material. gems are brittle when they are large. please cese your autism

So How many soldiers do you think Homeworld can field at this point? Earth has millions of professional soldiers employed, with tens of millions having fought as mercenaries/militias or trained as reserves. Over 500 million people own guns. Numbers seem to favor humankind heavily.

>>92705867
Except we fucking see the remnants of it after it explodes, and it's not broken like how a crystalline structure breaks at all. You and all the HFY chucklefucks in this show are a fucking joke.

>>92705879
one of their biggest flaws. compared to gems humans practically shit offspring. while gems need big machines and entire planets

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>>92700382
This

Other than corrupt gems, most other gems have had to get hit by pretty sufficient force to get poofed

Peridot got squeezed by Garnet's gauntlets, which increase her already massive strength.

Amethyst got poofed by Jasper, also super strong, with Jasper's weapon point blank. Even though a gem monster also got Amethyst, one could argue that either the monster was strong or Amethyst is weak (compared to Jasper and possibly the other Quartzes).

Pearl got poofed by a hologram of hers that was wielding a sword, but her holograms have at least half her strength which is still pretty impressive (she kicked a large boulder aside with ease, and she's not even made for combat)

Jasper got smacked around with Amy's whip and beat up with Smokey's yoyo pretty hard, but was fine for the most part until she was corrupted.

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Half of our population are walking anti-gem weapons.

We have nothing to fear.

>>92705936
>and it's not broken like how a crystalline structure breaks at all.
are you fucking blind? it looked exactly like if you smashed a rock

>>92705936
>>92705867
And fucking regardless, are you really dumb enough to believe that gems have no preparation against asteroids? Despite being a space-faring race?

Here's what happens. They send out shit Ruby ibfatry, they get shot and pooped and shattered, they realize oh shit their weapons can poof us at a range.


Then they kill all of us with orbital FTL space ships.

>>92701066
Judging by what Lapis said about how Homeworld changed, they likely didn't have the technology back then. Peridot's tech seemed pretty new to them, as did Aqua's wand and the hand ship.

As for why they didn't destroy Earth when they got the technology, they assumed it was still crawling with the Corrupted remains of Rose's army and was incubating a geo-weapon they probably could use to kill another planet once it forms.

>>92706008
if theyre going faster than light then why would they? nothing would touch them until they slow down
>>92706038
>space ships instantly means death
you are dumb.

>>92706118
Alright then fuck stain explain what the shit we do against them

>>92697347
Doubt they'd even be interested.

Given how many wars SU's Earth have skipped a few wars according to some, and the fact in SU's case they arrived back when the Earth was young and prosperous. The whole reason they are on Earth is to take its resources, but without going preachy here, with all what we have done to the enviroments would it even be of sue to them?

>>92706118
>reroute an asteroid towards Earth
>game over

Gravity is entirely on the side of the gems.

>>92702738
Garnet is probably stronger than, if not as strong as Topaz. The only reason she didn't fight her was the hostages Topaz had.

It's been shown before that fusions of the same type aren't as strong as fusions of different types.

>>92706141
weve had missiles that can destroy space objects since the 80s
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASM-135_ASAT
plus the only weapon weve seen on the gem ship is the beam thing, and that didnt do shit

>>92706118
They didn't always have FTL technology. Or at least, their warp capabilities weren't always as advanced as they are now.

Like honestly, you realize you're implying that in The Return, Garnet should have just fucking leaped onto the ship and started punching it right?

That's idiotic.

God I can't wait until this show is fucking cancelled

>>92706213
good luck finding an asteroid that wont burn up in atmosphere

>>92697347

Gems are comprised of lesbian aliens.

Earth is already dominated by the LGBT community and SJWs.

What chance do we have against gems?

>>92706247
weve yet to see gems ships go up against anything other than light based weapons. im not just going to believe anything just because its sci-fi

>two autists are arguing using no evidence and no basis yet the discussion keeps going
just let the thread fucking die

>>92706246
Yes cause blowing up a shitty asteroid is totally he same as a vastly more advanced tech from an alien warship

>>92706354
the only thing weve seen that the gem ships are impervious against are light based. once again, show me that they can withstand it, dont just asspull shit

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>>92706264
Keep waiting, baby. We love you even though you're a faggot.

>>92706276
There are several of them in the Asteroid Belt.
Close enough that the gems (or any spacefarimg species) could easily calculate how to successfully reroute one for an Earth collision, but far enough away that humans wouldn't even know what was happening until the missile was on its way.

>>92706276
don't they have some form of FTL
couldn't they just hit earth with a tungsten pole moving at relativistic speed and blow it apart?

>>92706525
also far enough away so that said missile from>>92706246
could knock it off course

>>92706443
What kind of retarded logic is that?


That light in those attacks had mass in it you dolt.

The simple fact is even 5000 years ago gems were far more advanced than current day humanity.

>>92706549
its still made of light. plus gem light weapons are different from real mass

>>92706623
>>92706549
both of you need to shut the fuck up and let the thread die

>>92706623
...I'm done, talking to brick wall would yield better results.

>>92706665
ayy fuck you faggot

>>92706665
No?

>>92706325
Not any of those anons you're arguing with, but holy fuck you're deluded as dicks. There is no evidence for gem ships being vulnerable to physical force. In fact I just watched the clip where the hand ship crashed, and the only thing that happened to it when it smashed into the side of a cliff at high velocity was the thumb segment falling off cleanly, probably because of the joint being weakened. Then the generator exploded.

Not to mention the clear train of logic you would have to follow for a space faring race. Space is full of debris going hundreds of miles per hour, you think they don't have a way to handle that? That they spend the majority of their time in warp or whatever and when they aren't they just decide to risk their ships full of resources and even leaders just being shattered?

God I fucking hate HFY faggots. I'm glad /tg/ exiled all of theirs to reddit.

>>92706548
>a shitty, cancelled anti-satellite weapons program

No.
That's not even what that missile was designed for.

At least if you'd made an Armageddon reference we could all have had a good laugh.

>>92706703
> There is no evidence for gem ships being vulnerable to physical force
you know, except the part when you mentioned the thumb coming off cleanly

>>92706548
That works both ways. Gems could just use their light weapons to destroy the missiles before they get close to the meteor.

>>92706711
there are other missile that can go into space, ICBMs for example

>>92706770
its almost as if the vagueness of the show makes any argument from both sides impossible to make a clear winner

>>92706757
Sorry, let me rephrase that, I meant ESPECIALLY vulnerable, which you know is what I meant. And honestly just a small part falling cleanly off at such an uncontrolled, high velocity impact? That speaks to gem ships being pretty sturdy.

>>92706820
>let me do damage control because i fucked up

christ i hate this fucking board

>>92706843
More like I'm clarifying because of your inability to read context. But you're just trying to dance around the fact that I shot down your shitty "gem ships are super fragile" argument.

>>92706889
>now allow me to completely redo my argument.

>>92706798
>shifting goalposts
At least you're abandoning the idiotic idea that gems would be beaten by ancient weapons and tactics.

>>92706911
Not really. And you still aren't addressing that argument. Probably because you can't.

>>92706925
>and now allow me to twist other peoples words to make them mean something entirely different

>>92706968
but the remains looked like they were shattered, not blown up. you know, like something would be if you dropped it?

Now, I'm seeing quite a bit of discussion about nukes, and it seems like all of you think that the only way to use nukes is to put one on the tip of a missile and throw it at an invader.
This is wrong.
There are multiple ways to use a nuclear weapon against an orbital foe, and while just lobbing them at the enemy might work, there are better uses for their power.
For example, you could make an Orion-style space battleship, with weaponized Casaba howitzers, or you could make a simple relativistic kill vehicle like the ruskies theorized in the sixties, using a big old concrete tube, a two ton copper disk, some water, and a tsar bomba sized nuke.
These were all possible in the sixties, and who knows what we have nowadays. I wouldn't say that humanity would win, but I'd say we'd have a fighting chance.

>>92698146
Maybe, maybe not. The Aztecs at their height had cities bigger and cleaner than Europe with complex canal networks and a sophisticated understanding of astronomy. Yet their way of life involved the capture of prisoners in warfare for ritualized human sacrifice, so their weaponry was severely outclassed by the conquistadors. Likewise, the Mongols overran nearly all the more advanced sedentary empires around them because they were willing to be adaptive and fought with a completely mobile army. In other words, you can really only fight what you know. Besides Rose's rebellion, have there ever been any other gem vs. gem conflicts? Would Homeworld even know how to fight organics that had achieved a level of sophistication to have rudimentary spaceflight?

>>92707026
Even if that's true (you have very low credibility and I couldn't find any good images on a cursory search) it doesn't mean that the gem ships are especially vulnerable to physical force, just that that's how the material breaks. Why didn't the gem ship shatter on impact if that was the case? It was destroyed by it's exploding generator.

>>92706998
I don't even think you realize how ironic this post is.

>>92707232
it exploded when it dropped you fucking mong
also shatter=brittle

>>92707118
>Would Homeworld even know how to fight organics that had achieved a level of sophistication to have rudimentary spaceflight?
Probably. They have been conquering planets for thousands of years, haven't they?

>>92707287
as one anon pointed out earlier its possible the humans were the first other form of life the gems found (space is really fucking big) hence, why rose made such a big thing about it

>>92707282
>it exploded when it dropped you fucking mong
It exploded because the generator was damaged in Jasper and Garnet's fight. Things don't explode when they hit the ground. The gem ship suffered no damage aside from a small piece falling off when it crashed into the planet all the way from OUTER SPACE. It was also completely undamaged by reentry into an atmosphere, which burns up asteroids into nothingness.

>also shatter=brittle
Not always true, even for Earth substances. Gem ships are made of extraterrestrial material and don't have to follow any trends of terrestrial materials.

>>92707376
Then why would they have weapons and armies? Did they war among themselves before Rose's rebellion?

>>92707505
>if its from outer space it can do what ever it wants
also that small piece was an entire section

>>92707531
i guess, i dunno i guess its a possibility

>>92707531
many have suggested that they didn't or the existing military was such a token force it quickly got out classed and had to adapt and change because of the rebellion

This view sits very well with what we see in the Answer, where there seems to be little military personnel just 3 Rubies and a couple of Quartz soldiers but they all easily lose to a Pearl with swords and Rose, on top of the fact that in the Answer it appears that no one knows how to summon a gem weapon yet, Pearl is the only one even using weapons and she is just using real physical swords

>>92707593
>cherry picking two parts of the post so you can ignore the rest
Very transparent of you, anon. Also the thumb was a small piece, relatively. And why do you think that extraterrestrial material, from beyond this galaxy even, would have to be brittle just because it supposedly shatters when it breaks? Especially because that's not even wholly true for shit here on Earth.

>>92704952
wheres russia the fuck?

>>92707705
im to tired to fucking blog post. besides, this whole argument is stupid, for one, gem ships dont have weapons that can destroy targets from orbit en masse, two you can have the biggest, scariest ships but if you are as retarded as the gems are youd still find a way to fuck it up. but thats irrelevant because humans are just as retarded in SU

>>92707708
almost entirely still there, really its just part of Siberia down into Mongolia that seems to be missing

Not Russia proper at all

If your asking why or how, we really don't know, we assume it happened during the Gem War

>>92697347
theyd just send a bunch of lapises to move our oceans into orbit and then wait a couple months for everyone to die

>>92697347
>implying we wouldn't create a plague to kill their entire species off

>>92708001
well they aren't biological, technically speakings gems don't even fall into traditional definitions of life

So I'm pretty sure biological warfare wouldn't work

Also the aliens are vulnerable to Earthly disease is one of the dumbest tropes in sci-fi, like people think they are being clever since they are looking at historical examples of population exposed to new diseases but those are just bad analogies. Aliens would have a completely alien biology to our own, it took hundreds of years for diseases to jump from cows or sheep into humans and we are pretty similar, it would probably take a long time before the bacteria and viruses could manage to adapt to a completely alien biology

>>92706297
>implying that we couldn't eliminate all these "people" with ease if we really wanted

>>92708001
Gems are literally just their gems. Their bodies are fabrications.

>>92697347
nigga the state of kentucky could take down homeworld tf wrong with you

>>92697347
We are incapable of effectively fighting a civilization with access to orbital bombardment.
The gems are terraforming Earth anyway, so why would they care if the planet is made uninhabitable for organic life?

>>92705720
>>92705771
>>92705783
Connie is human but has a OP sword designed to easily poof gems.

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>>92697347

Yeah, by stop being faggots.

>>92697950

It was rumored Nikola Tesla had a doomsday device that Ford or GE bought out from him along with a whole slew of his other inventions.

I'd imagine he or we would create something like his invention, or in the video below this with ground to space lighting towers, just watch it a little.

>https://youtu.be/zGy6SEEXcJA?t=142

Though, if Earth is some kinda of hippy, SJW, progressive fever dream of Rebeca Sugar as I suspect it is, we'd be fucked anyways, the least any nation would do is open their arms in "friendship" and start dressing in drag and dancing all around like savages waiting for a response, only to be vaporized on sight.

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>>92706264

This.

>>92702087
there are other holes

seriously, there's this one anime where the dude goes
"I haven't tried THIS hole before..."

>>92697347
Humans can't even wipe out humans, and we've got about ten billion weaknesses.

Once you take that away we're a weak-ass bunch of apes who're prone to physical and psychological failure.

>>92697347
>Arm ships just throw dinosaur killers at earth until life ends
>Gems don't mind because they don't need to breathe

Yeah nah, even if we win conventionally owing space and not needing to preserve anything means we always lose.

>>92699484
Nukes don't create an EMP in space you mong.

Nukes lose power very fast in a vacuum, they can't even kill really hard SF ships (IE super fragile ones) from more than a few hundred meters.