So Nick really is starting to crack with how SE is flopping, huh?

Why is he still standing with the WGA they didn't do anything

>>92691349
Good. Marvel's taken too many risks that flopped super hard.

What they need is to play it safe for a year or two and try again without repeating the mistakes of the past.

Why does everyone hate with such force Secret Empire other than event fatigue? It seems like a decent story by itself. Moviefags and casuals seem obvious but what about the comic readers? It's not like Cap is gonna be evil forever.

pull spencer from captain america and put him on Irredeemable Ant-Man
oh and delete his twitter account

bam, there you go marvel

>>92691456
The collective unconscious is having an ideological seizure right now.

>>92691456
because it isn't actually a decent story. It's structured around being as clickbait-y as possible, and the narrative contorts itself end-over-end both to absolve Cap of being a true villain and to actually progress the plot.

also Nick Spencer is a twat

>>92691456
Some people hate the Nazi Cap concept. Some people are fatigued by events. Some people are upset at how it interrupts books that they like. Some people are upset at the possible "Real Cap" reveal removing the central conflict by issue 2. Some people hate Spencer because he's an outspoken ass. The most remarkable thing about SE is that there's something for everyone to hate. I've never seen anything like it.

>>92691349
He's probably starting to realize that Alonso is going to throw him under the bus when secret empire ends.

>>92691510
no one at marvel should be allowed on twitter anymore

>>92691456
Because it's like most Marvel events, the solicits and marketing were misleading, but they threw their secret card out for everyone to see in the second issue.

>>92691394
I don't think they took risks I think they misunderstood or incorrectly perceived a change in the market that turned out to be a huge exaggeration at best.

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>>92691349
It sold less than Batman and Flash.

>Civil War II #0 (Marvel) - 177,283
>Secret Empire #0 (Marvel) - 162,718

>Batman #21 Lenticular Ed. (DC) - 130,216
>Batman #21 (DC) - 89,256
>Total - 219,472

>Flash #21 Lenticular Ed. (DC) - 107,037
>Flash #21 (DC) - 67,766
>Total - 174,803

Why didn't you protect his smile, /co/?

WHY?!!!!

>>92691510
>and put him on Irredeemable Ant-Man

I'd definitely buy that. Spencer obviously likes Eric O'Grady, and his run on Superior Foes of Spider-Man is both qualitatively and tonally exactly what I'd want an Irredeemable Ant-Man series to be. That would be pretty awesome.

>>92691880
>the button is good
>secret empire is a piece of shit
Really makes you think

>>92691880
>Why didn't you protect his smile, /co/?
He took away mine

>>92691955
The Button was pretty mediocre after the first issue

>>92691456
He didn't even have the balls to make Steve blow up Las Vegas. And he made his whole story pointless by bringing in the real Steve in the second issue.

>>92691955
>>the button is good

It's shit. SE is also shit. Fuck off shill

>>92691456
>It's not like Cap is gonna be evil forever.

That's my problem with "events" beyond fatigue. It quickly returns to normal immediately there after. In their panic over the outrage of Nazi Cap they Marvel has flat out said things will return to normal. I know we all knew that to begin with, that attitude or business practice that has spread out from just deaths into almost any major happening having no consequences really. What's the point of it? Nothings changed, relationships aren't strained, what's the difference between this in universe event and some elseworld or well produced fanfic?

>>92691982
>He didn't even have the balls to make Steve blow up Las Vegas
that backpedal should've been obvious when Jack Flag was first conveniently only in a coma then conveniently taken off life support so Cap wouldn't be a cold-blooded killer.

Just a threadly reminder, when secret empire outsells DC's lineup again this month, DC fags will shitpost and cry and deflect same as every month Marvel beats them. Also "muh trades tho"

>>92692067
>again
lol

Let's gather together and laugh. AHAH-

>>92691456

Other than event fatigue, it's just not fun. It's miserable and condescending. Injustice is fun because characters still feel like DC characters. SE is Spencer's political commentary on how he sees America, not a story happening in the Marvel universe. The latest Cap issue was verbatim of most Trump speeches.

>>92692067
>again

>>92692014
But didn't you hear what Spencer said, anon???!!!!

This story matters! The stakes are huge! Heroes are didvided! The Marvel universe won't be the same!!!

>>92692067
See>>92691880

>>92692067
>again
Anon I...

>>92691456
Event fatigue and a general refusal to buy into Brevoort's outrage machine

>>92691456
It's different people hating on it.

The MCU fans or the people who don't follow comics that much don't want to read it because they believe Marvel decided to turn Captain America into a Nazi.

The longtime readership that actually knows what's going on is not interested because they were burned by Civil War 2 or by Marvel's prices. Some retailers were reporting event fatigue. Other longtime fans have been put off by Marvel's treatment of their fans.

There were also people turned off by how Spencer conducted himself on Twitter. A lot of people that do comic-related stuff don't want to support him.

I mean the comic is not terrible compared to a lot of Marvel events in the last... I dunno, five to ten years. But at the same time its messages are mixed and it's not helping the situation.

I do have to agree with Nick Spencer on something he said about Twitter:

https://twitter.com/nickspencer/status/853086969986859008

"It's kind of jaw-dropping to step back and look at how this site has degraded and destroyed the global conversation. It's a straight line."

Ironically, I think he's part of that problem, too.

>>92691349
>I Stand with the WGA
The World Canadian Bureau?

>>92691456
>other than event fatigue
Do we need another reason?

>>92692485
the worst part about Nick Spencer's twitter is his complete lack of self-awareness

>>92691394
The problem is that their idea of playing it safe is constant #1's and events

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>>92692485
>Posts dozens of tweets daily to the tune of over 31,000 tweets in total.
>Extremely snide and confrontational anyone he disagrees with or questions him.
>Reach a tipping point and gets majorly confronted about his work after being put at the big summer event.
>"Man, Twitter is such a shit service. Everyone here is so mean. I can't believe people use this so much."

>>92691349
https://amazingcavalieri.blogspot.com/2017/05/a-primer-on-nick-spencers-shitty.html

>If you poke around the materials surrounding Nick Spencer’s failed political career for long enough, you’ll notice that when he touts his leadership in the community, he talks about “rebuilding” (i.e., gentrifying) Over-the-Rhine, the Cincinnati neighborhood where he lived and worked. Over-the-Rhine was of course at the center of the Cincinnati riots of 2001, which followed the acquittal of the white police officer who murdered Timothy Thomas, an unarmed black teenager. The riots left a big impression on Spencer–not as a symbol of racial inequity in his city, but for their economic impact on Over-the-Rhine (both in terms of property damage during the riots themselves, and the boycott of downtown businesses that followed). Economic prosperity was an important issue to Spencer, who (along with some other guys) owned an Over-the-Rhine bar called alchemize (lowercase a), where he used to spin tunes once a month under the moniker of DJ Nick.

>In his writings, Spencer frequently attributed all the lawlessness and blight he saw in the streets of Over-the-Rhine to “thugs” and “prostitutes.” This is how Spencer conceived of economic and racial disparities in the rapidly gentrifying area of downtown Cincinnati: (black) thugs and prostitutes vs. (white) business owners like him who had dedicated themselves to the virtuous cause of “revitalization” (i.e., making money). In his official campaign materials he’s careful to totally scrub these issues of any mention of race, though anyone who knows anything about broken-window policing can read between the lines easily enough. But Spencer was much more explicit about who exactly he sees as the criminal class on his blog, where he frequently let his hair down and got racist af.

Oh hey, it turns out the guy responsible for Hydra Cap has a rather extensive history of being a racist prick. Color me the exact opposite of shocked.

>>92691456
It's a lot of things.
>Event Fatigue
>Focus on shock value and misdirection
>Characters involved are unrecognisable compared to Marvel five years ago
>Making an event about an evil Captain America the year Kirby would turn 100 wghile Dc who he made less of an impact on does everything to celebrate him
>People not liking an evil Cap in general
>Constant renumbering and tie ins making it not enjoyable to try and read marvel anymore
>People being fed up with nick spencer shitting on anything not marvel
>The book in general being quite meh with some tie ins being more interesting just like civil war 2

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Why the fuck is cronyism and lack of accountability so pervasive in cape comics?

If Nick Spencer worked in literally any other creative field he would have been shitcanned months ago but instead he hangs in there and continues to fail upwards despite being near universally despised by all types of readers. It's not like we can't afford to lose COMIC BOOK WRITERS, 90% of the people posting on this board right now would give their left nut for a minimum wage paycheck to do it.

>>92692757
And most of those people would write some profoundly shitty comics books.

>>92692757
The comics industry (especially the Big2) is full of nepotism.

>>92692792

And so does Nick Spencer. That's the point.

>>92692722
>NaziCap was Spencer all along

Hypercrisis

>>92692067
Secret Empire hasn't outsold Dc yet but it probably will this month since the Lazarus Contract isn't nearly as big as the button. The only reason it wont sell the most is if superman proves to sell better than it again or joker showing up in batman/ Thawne in the flash boosts their pre button sales

>>92692757
>Why the fuck is cronyism and lack of accountability so pervasive in cape comics?


It doesn't make any money, and no one in charge cares. Because the stakes are so low, the bosses don't hire and fire the right people and we have shitheads like Nick Spencer in charge of writing for Marvel

>>92692853
>Secret Empire hasn't outsold Dc yet but it probably will this month
It still got outsold by a standard Batman issue and the Superman issues are constantly nipping at it's heels.

>>92692722

This was close to twenty years ago, people change and it's blatantly obvious through even a cursory look at his SamCap writing or his work on The Fix that he doesn't think like that anymore. Spencers a dipshit and an asshole but the politics he held decades ago aren't the reason he's shitty.

>>92691349
What the readers need to finally realize is that, in a universe like Marvel's, none of the stories really matter or hold any weight.
Casuals, fuck even people on here, take these twists way too seriously. They were literally designed to get people mad, and then make you happy everything is back to normal in the end.
Last year DC said they wanted to step away from the whole forced continuity thing, and I think that's something Marvel REALLY needs to consider, especially since they don't seem to have any editors to begin with. Just focus on making good stories, enough of this "THINGS WILL NEVER BE THE SAME (until the last issue)" shit.

>>92692902
I agree with you that's why I mentioned batman and superman possibly selling better again as well as the possibility of flash maintaining a big audience

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Even at Marveldrone Central, aka Reddit's /r/comicbooks, Secret Empire isn't doing so good.

>>92692757
He came up with the Hydra Cap twist which sold a ton of copies due to outrage. Marvel thought it would be a good idea to let him continue the story, but since the twist happened a year ago nobody cares anymore, rage sales aren't happening. The only reason he hasn't been kicked out yet is because Marvel needs to ride this one out until the end, since as of now the Marvel Universe is fucked. Once Secret Empires ends they'll drop him hard and push Legacy to save face.

>>92692962
It would be nice if for once a Marvel event actually ended with something important happening rather than a return to status quo so that we could actually take them seriously when they say things will never be the same. Look at any Dc event and by the end something big has always happened, even their crossovers recently since the new52 started usually guarantee some big to happen that changes things. When was the last time Marvel had an event/crossover/mini that by the end actually did something big and left an impact because i can't think of anything besides death of wolverine.

>>92692516
Writers Guild of America.
There was going to be another strike like in 2007-8 (aka the thing that killed all those shows), but a deal was made at the last minute

>>92693118
but he's on Captain America still in Legacy

>>92692485
>say something stupid on twitter
>people get angry
>obviously, this is twitter's fault
When are retards like Spencer going to realize that Twitter is not a tumblr safe space but instead a megaphone to the public?

If he wants people to stop yelling at him the insane stuff he says (like Trickle down economics for comics and constant relaunches being good). At this point, him being a FAILDED politician like >>92692722 makes a lot more sense now.

>>92692722
Wow, I knew otr was shitty, didn't know we had riots there though. Neat

>>92693176
House of M, Civil War, and Secret Invasion all ended with pretty major shifts to the status quo

so major that most of the events after them were about reverting those changes

>>92692485
>> I mean the comic is not terrible compared to.. . .

what? its not really shit when compared to mountains of shit? no. . . . its shit.

Spencer needs to just write more superior foes and shut up on twitter........

>>92693118
>He came up with the Hydra Cap twist which sold a ton of copies due to outrage.
Eh, by Issue 2 it already dropped 33% and has been dropping majorly ever since.

>>92693250
Was secret invasion the one where all the heros fought on war world thanks to Doom?

>>92693280
that's Secret Wars, Secret Invasion was "everyone is Skrulls"

>>92691394
Yes, we should punish them for trying new things.

Isn't SE huge success? Ofc it lost to Batman and Flash, but still did good numbers. Other marvel staff doesn't sell at all.

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>>92691456
>It seems like a decent story by itself.
Absolutely, for say a 5 issue Cap story in a single book. But a major event built off of a year to get to? Not so much.
That's the sins at Marvel, they are taking really cool ideas that should be self contained to a single book/story because the moment you drag it all out to the main universe to then punch the status quo button it cheapens the comic world setting. That's what makes this get meet with such contempt, this is the 6th time (at least) that they have taken a cool idea for a single story and dragged it out as some major change all event but not really that no one wanted.

>>92691955
both are bad but the Button is much more self contained thus not poisoning all the books.

>>92693314
If Miles, Riri, and Moon Girl are new things, I'll take the old things every time.

>>92693325
>Isn't SE huge success?
It's the highest selling of all their titles, but selling considerably less than Civil War II which put many people off of Marvel.

>>92693429
>but selling considerably less than Civil War II
And Civil War 2 sold considerably less than the first Civil War.

You'd think Marvel would get the message by now.

>>92693414
I honestly think that competent writers could do something with Miles.
Maybe even Moon-girl. Maybe not, prolly better to make that a kids title.
Riri needs to be flushed tho.

>>92693118
>>92693272
See>>92693216

The line ups are
Spencer-Captain America
Bendis-Miles and Iron Heart
Slott-Amazing Spider-Man (forever and ever and ever and ever and ever)
Aaron-Thor

>>92693429
>>92693471
I don't think Marvel even cares. As I understood, they make comics only for movies now. And reboot numbers to sell #1

>>92691456
Comic readers aren't the ones raising a stink about it. Comic readers are just sick of events and aren't buying it. General opinion is that it's "good for a Marvel event but fuck Marvel events." It's the casuals/moviefags that are going on autistic rants about how it's the single worst comic ever and is clearly blatant anti-trump/pro-nazi propaganda (depending on which side of the isle you're on.)

>>92693260
>Spencer needs to just write more superior foes
But he is. It's called The Fix and it's great.

>>92693485
>I honestly think that competent writers could do something with Miles.
Miles has had several opportunities under different writers, and no one has done anything interesting with him. In the end, there IS such a thing as bad characters. Miles was a concept that was poorly handled from the start. He's literally a black version of Spider-Man. That's all he is and will ever be.

>>92693537
Marvel Studios and Marvel Comics are separate.
Feige got Disney to kick Ike Pearlmutter and his irk out of the Marvel movies because they were annoying. Guardians even thanked Abnett and Lanning instead of Bendis. There's even a rumor that Feige loves showing Disney heads the news headlines showing Marvel Comics in bad light.

>>92693118
>He came up with the Hydra Cap twist which sold a ton of copies due to outrage.

No, the first issue sold a lot. But within a few months it was at the sales levels of Remenders' Cap, which didn't have any kind of outside media hype.

>>92692162

There's a number of reasons Injustice goes so well and a lot of it is down to DC comics realizing very quickly that you can't just have "DC as written by the creative team behind Mortal Kombat" slot into their main line. So they gave Netherrealm and Taylor an entire DC Comics Multiverse earth to play with and gave them a consequence free slate. They could kill off heroes who would be untouchable, write characters in a new way while keeping their core personality and do a lot of crazy shit

Marvel's editorial were retarded in that they let the concept through and run in 616 for shock value instead of saying "Hold up. Doing this in 616 is stupid. We could make our version of Red Son with this". But they wanted the clickbait and the sales and were foolish.

Spencer's an ass because he thinks his genius idea is being attacked and the plebs can't see his vision even though his vision is compromised as fuck and completely uninteresting in the 616 line.

>>92693260
>>92693586
Spencer gets way too much credit for Superior Foes and The Fix, they're carried hard by Lieber.

>>92693640
Wilson handled him alright when he showed up in Ms. Marvel, and he was decent in Totally Awesome Hulk even if his presence was fairly minor

>>92693908
Comics are a collaborative work, anon.

>>92693674
Then there was a recent interview where Feige talked about the Marvel Studios logo:

“The very first Marvel logo that was in front of a film was on the first Spider-Man film,” Feige said of the iconic flip logo. Feige said they would make small tweaks to the flip logo as the Marvel Cinematic Universe went on, but he thought “we really needed to differentiate a film that’s based on a Marvel comic vs. a film that’s made by Marvel Studios.” As a result, Feige wanted a logo that “celebrates all the films that came before” and make clear that the movie could only be from Marvel Studios, and the new flip logo highlighting Marvel movie characters rather than comics was born.

Also, didn't someone say that the reason Doctor Strange was using an axe in the comics is because it was in an early draft of the film? Anybody know if that's true or not? Cause I'm starting to wonder if Marvel Studios is deliberately feeding the comics side false info to fuck with them. Remember the news rumors about how Captain America: Civil War had multiple death scenes filmed?

>>92693959
true, but in comparing Spencer's comedic works with Lieber and his comedic works without Lieber, one group is much better than the other

>>92691667
this. And remember, many people will count into several categories at once.

>>92693250
Which were all from close to a decade ago. Marvel seriously needs to start treating things like that have consequences. When the only time this decade marvel did something that mattered was killing logan more needs to get done

>>92691349
Narcissists are obsessed with image control. He's trying to explain away his failure.

>>92692014
>It quickly returns to normal immediately there after.
Which is a very odd thing to say, since "normal" in Marvel means one event right after another, without breaks.

>>92691456
I've skipped Marvel's events for the last few years. Just par for the course for me.

>>92693314
Like eating shit?

>>92693968
>Remember the news rumors about how Captain America: Civil War had multiple death scenes filmed?

I thought that was just a trick to muddy up leaks.

>>92693314
Like how we push DCEU for "new" things right?

>>92691349
Why does he thinks he is being this edgy writer taking chances while doing a standard issue hero becomes badguy for a while story...

>>92694443
he listened to Brevoort about making people mad means you're doing something right

>>92693314
>trying new things =! selling shit

I stand with the Wigga?

>>92693640
That falls into bad writing/editorial problem than "bad character".

>abloobloobloo why are humans just telling the same handful of stories over and over again instead of reading my super cool original content

Because that's what they've been doing for hundreds of thousands of years and your stories aren't good enough to change that.

>>92691456
Many factors for me.
I'm tired of events
I don't think cap is particularly interesting
on top of not finding him interesting I know the status quo will be immediately restored, so it's a low-stakes story
and Nick Spencer is approaching Dan Slott levels of twitter shenanigans, it's just fucking trite and more than a little played out at this point.

>>92694480
But he can't be this stupid and blind, that shit happens all the time and back in the day the writers didn't even write an easy out, like in Emerald Twilight, that took an entire autistic fanboy faggot tier retcon to take back years after.
While Spencer from the get go wrote himself an out and we all now that at the end of this story Cap is going to be back...

>>92694610
And sometimes the story is just shit. Just because someone doesn't like a story doesn't mean they don't like new things. Just because it's new doesn't mean it's good. Hell, that's why I don't buy consoles on day one launch (and instead wait for bugs to be fixed and better versions to be made).

>>92693541
>isle
Aisle.
It's "which side of the aisle." Don't regurgitate colloquialisms when you don't even know what the fuck you're talking about.

>>92691349
>people are critizing my story and Marvel is demanding rewrites
>could my story be wrong?
>No, it's the system that is wrong!
I wish Marvel would just fire Spencer

>>92695043
>>No, it's the system that is wrong!
Change "system" to "people" or "consumers" since system implies the current comic book industry system and Marvel aren't wrong.

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>>92691349
>>92691394

Spencer is absolutely correct. There's no way the definitive stores of earlier years like Dark Phoenix, Harry Osburn on pills, the best and weirdest parts of Suicide Squad and new Teen Titans, would be allowed today. Too problematic, too transgressive.

I mean, I can't imagine DC showing a protagonist shooting at police in a movie.

We've gone from a writer driven approach, to an artist driven approach, and are now in an IP driven phase.

>>92691456
If Spencer had an ounce of self awareness during the whole ordeal, I'd definitely support the thing.

>>92691456
The progressives are mad they got Nazi Cap instead of Homosexual Cap. The outrage is feigned to win support for their push.

>>92691379
Stock Profile Pics allow him to hide on TLs better

>>92691349
Empire is the best event to come out of marvel in decades.

>>92695302
That's not saying much.

>>92693069
That's pretty weird. It's kind of like the Bleeding Cool Bestseller list for that week and like the Comixology list before the weekend. And yet that list is probably made up of people who don't neccesarily go to the stores BC talks to.

>>92695302
it's not better than Annihilation, Nick, despite your continued insistence that it's bigger than the Annihilation Wave

>>92694375
I wonder if the people who work on the committee (ie Bendis) might also be relying on leaks.

>>92695453
it's almost like the BC list and Comixology lists are pretty decent generalizations of what's actually selling to readers.

>>92691349
I wish he'd delete his twitter already.

>>92695302
>>92695475
Ok, ok. What IS the best Marvel Event of the last decade? Secret Wars?

>>92692722
>where he used to spin tunes once a month under the moniker of DJ Nick.
wot

>>92695141
Heavens to Murgatroid, Deadshot's been shot dead!

>>92691456
because it's an alt-reich fanwank

>>92695547
Annihilation Conquest

>>92695302
Fuck off Nick.

>>92693069
Glad to see people buying Super Sons.

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>>92695141
>that one bullet in the dick

>>92691456

"Event fatigue" is a little too narrow for me.

"Evil Cap" only minorly interests me because there's absolutely no way it sticks, Marvel will never poison a multi-million dollar IP like that. If it's so obviously not going to stick, then it makes everything else the series does seem foolish. (See especially: lifting Thor's hammer.) It could be nice as social commentary, except all the reviews/comments say that aspect is ineptly handled.

While I agree that 'fatigue' plays a part, a larger issue is that the last few events have SUCKED. CW2 was terrible, with the driving character literally pulling a Poochie at the end. Monsters Unleashed was always going to be bland at best - good comics are STORIES, not just cramming as many monster beat-em-ups into a few issues as possible. IvX was a combo of characters Marvel desperately wants to make popular, X-Men who they desperately need a soft reboot (Fucking lose the O5 already, and don't mention the Phoenix for at least 3-5 years), every person involved being fucking stupid (one honest conversation would've prevented the entire series), and Emma Frost getting the shortest end of the writing stick she's received in nearly two decades. After that many garbage events, why would I want to waste time reading more?

(Pleasant Hill WAS interesting, just as a relatively fresh concept, but has been wasted since.)

Finally, there's just no suspense. We KNOW Cap will be cured and return to hero status. They've already isolated him from the nastiest decisions (Rick Jones, Las Vegas), which reduces him to a figurehead in his own story. Impact then has to derive from secondary characters and impact on the universe, and, well... there's not much there to care about. HYDRA? They're gonna lose, obviously. Rick Jones? He's been around since 1962, he's not leaving. Maria Hill will continue to be shit on. Black Widow's going back to the Red Room training. There's just nothing here that's unique or enticing.

>>92693118
>He came up with the Hydra Cap twist which sold a ton of copies due to outrage

I'm pretty sure that was something that Remender had planned from his run.

Nick has been acting like a crybaby, but the event has been good as far as I'm concerned, I've enjoyed the twist and turns of it, specially after Bendis War last year which was fucking awful.

>>92696009
Remender was planning an event where every team had a Hydra plant, I don't think he was planning for Steve specifically to be Hydra

>>92693300
>YFW reading Flash
>Suddenly Wally's dad is not only a deadbeat dad but a Skrull spy
>Blows up his mom's boat

Thanks for reminding me of thay

>>92693907
Holy shit, you just perfectly encapsulated my exact problem with it. It's really is a mediocre What If? issue split into a line-wide event.

>>92693069
Lol fuck off. That sub is DC centric. They love rebirth and they love the button and there's a "i just wanna say thanks, DC" thread almost daily reaching the top

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>>92691456
Its because the whole idea of Captain America being evil had been handled horribly. Every single "evil" thing Captain America has done, was committed by someone else. Its so Marvel can make it easier for him to transition to being good again without any effort and also so they dont ruin his name too much, just look at the controversy of making him say "Hail hydra".

He throws Jack Flag off a SHEILD plane. Turns out her survived and is in a coma, but someone else pulls the plug and officially kills him.

Secretly manipulates events so Civil War II happens and gets Hawkeye to kill Bruce Banner. Carol to put Tony Stark in a coma, even though he should be dead.

Traps most of the Superhero's outside the SHEILD wall and lets the Chitauri deal with them.

Traps most of the Superheros iin New York and sends them to the Shadow Realm and let monsters finish them.

The cliffhanger at the end of the first issue was him blowing up Las Vegas, but it wasnt even him. It was Zemo.

Captain Hydra is a pussy, so that way Marvel dosent have to work so hard to "redeem" him and say that he wasnt really that evil after all.

Now with a second Captain America, they can pull the whole "It was me, not me" card like in old superhero vs superhero crossovers where the villain disguises themselves as the hero to blackmail the hero and get another hero to fight them.

>>92696335
even reddit has turned against marvel

>>92696430
>Zemo
Dont forget movie synergy

>>92691456

The 'have everything be made into an outrage' tactic of Marvel is finally blowing up in their faces. If Marvel had not been pushing this NEW THOR IS A FEMALE??? ICEMAN IS GAY??? LITTLE BLACK GIRL IS THE SMARTEST PERSON IN THE MARVEL UNIVERSE???READ ALL ABOUT IT ON VANITY/ABC NEWS scandals to get short term sales, maybe Hydra Sap had gone under the radar and there wouldn't be such a backlash against it.

>>92693968
>when company wars gain new meaning

holy kek

>>92692669
You know what they say about broken clocks.

>>92691903
He really would be. But I don't know if Marvel would do a non-lang ant-man comic.

>>92691955

Button was extremely meh. Even more hilarious how this disappointing crossover featuring perennial best seller Flash (lol) beat this SUPER DUPER MEGA IMPORTANT EVENT THAT WILL CHANGE THE MARVEL UNIVERSE FOREVER. MUST READ!!!!

>>92692722

Okay I guess this is suppose to make Nick Spencer some kind of asshole businessman, but what is with city people's fascination in living in a failed city, other than your rent is probably basement level low? You know what brings you to live in the city? Work/Education opportunities, entertainment, community. In that order.

You want to complain the city failed you, but then people try to bring businesses and services into your neighborhood and you call them sell outs and vultures and push them out.

>>92694375
>>92696993
I forgot who it was but I think last year someone on Twitter described the Marvel Studios vs Marvel Entertainment thing as them pulling GoT like moves on each other. Probably an exaggeration, but I definitely don't believe their excuses for not crossovering the TV shows and the Films. It's all down to Feige and Ike hating each other and on controls the films while the other controls the TV shows.

>>92697309
how gentrification works:
>young people move into a less-than-great neighborhood because the rent is cheap
>businesses follow these young people
>the neighborhood becomes a more desirable place to live
>property values rise, and rents and cost-of-living with them
>original residents priced out around this point
>this further improves property values as "undesirables" are driven out
>young people who moved in originally are priced out themselves
>businesses fail
>properties stand empty since they're worth more as property than as rent collectors
>neighborhood stagnates

>>92697515
Leith in Edinburgh.

>>92693640
I think most of them are too afraid of angering the bald man. Bendis has a lot of power at Marvel.

>>92693640
Miles problem is that he's tied down by the Spider-Man name. As long as he still calls himself "Spider-Man" he's always gonna be Black Spider-Man. Maybe if he took up a new mantle and had a different writer they might be willing to do something new with him.

>>92693968
Don't know about the axe, but Bendis stated that he explicitly killed off Rhodey because he saw an early draft of CW and didn't know that Rhodey lived.

>>92691974
The first issue was shit

>>92698420
your opinion is shit

>>92698318
also badoon in his gotg was also supposedly from an early draft

>>92698283
I think he would do better being Spiderboy than Spiderman (at least will not be seen as "black spiderman", "not muh spiderman" or "SJW spiderman"), could be a real legacy character and could interact much better with Peter as a pupil and not as "I am as good as classic spiderman".

What did he ever write that wasn't safe mainstream crap? It's not like he makes "alternative" comics

>>92698663
Superior Foes?

>>92694904
you're a prick

>>92693907

A What If where Cap was secretly evil and got dethawed in modern America and then can flip the switch could be a thing.

>>92698586
>calling a black guy "boy"
lol you must be foreign

>>92698318

Does he know he's not writing the tie in media, they are?

>>92698586
Calling black people "boy" was an older racist thing. It's something you should avoid

In some media (toys and I think a cartoon?) he's referred to as Kid Arachnid. That would work

>>92698586
What about The Arachnid Kid? It's sounds western and tough!

Has anything even happened in Secret Empire?
Like, of importance? I know things HAPPEN, but did anything significant take place?

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>>92698494
Reminds of the prelude comic for the first Guardians of the Galaxy film. It showcased a variety of alien races in one page and the Badoon was one of them, even though Marvel Studios does not have the rights.

>>92699111
yep
>>92699208
did not know that call a black boy, boy, is racist

>>92697321
The thought of the Marvel Entertainment staff fuming in the meeting rooms over low sales and Feige trolling makes me feel giddy inside.

>>92699254
Rick Jones died (FOREVER, according to Nick Spencer).
Las Vegas was blown up.
Hydra Steve and his Hydra team has taken over the U.S.
Carol trapped in space against the biggest galactic threat ever (bigger than the annihilation wave!)
Inhuman refugees put into holocaust camps
Mutants become isreal
And there's another Steve Rogers alive trying to get home.

>>92699342
it's mostly just addressing black men as only "boy" that's viewed as racist

>>92699342
Although it is totally accurate to call a boy 'boy' regardless of their race, some people will still get angry over it for the historical reasons.

In fact there is a good example, some time ago a Muhammad Ali visited Australia and was co-presenting a tv award with celebrity Bert Newton. After a little gag, the older Bert Newton said "I like the boy", not realizing it was a slur.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CaESHKJni0

>>92697515
You forgot the part where the chinese buy property to hide their cash

>>92699598
Sounds stupid.

>>92691456
dude! that the problem they dont have the ball, to go all the way!
what they do is just stupid!
lets put a lot of diverse character by killing their predecessor or shitting on him/her...

>>92691456
Because I called where they were going with it an entire year ago and the journey to this point, while technically well-constructed, hasn't been anything remarkable. It's coasted by on the shock of "THIS GUY WHO PUNCHED NAZIS IS A NAZI NOW".

>>92696335
So you're saying that Reddit has good taste?

Damn. That's a first.

>>92700181
>technically well-constructed
hardly

>>92699598
Also, Wanda and Vision have been brainwashed/controlled tone Hydra.
Deadpool joined Hydracap willingly.
Champions are fighting the Hydra Youth
Sally Floyd asked Cap about Twitter instead of MySpace now(can't let Quesada's pet look like a dumb bitch now can't we), Steve called her fake news and blamed her and the rest of the liberals for getting him in charge, then Steve had her arrested.

>>92696335
>Reddit likes DC now
Weird.

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>>92692162
>Injustice is fun because characters still feel like DC characters.

>>92692722
Checked this out, it's just another case of liberal drift, like Hillary selling Bill's policies down the river to appeal to the SJW radicals.

>>92696335
Yeah, no. That place is crawling with Marvel shills damage controlling everywhere.

>hurr why u hate rdj in Spider-Man, he's a MCU character!

>>92693994
Obviously, because they work well together and make a good creative team. I'm not saying Lieber isn't a major proponent of why The Fix and Superior Foes are good. Lieber is a great artist, and Superior Foes/The Fix are my favorite works of his. But they're my favorite works of his because of Nick Spencer.

A good creative team is when one side compliments the other.

>>92693069
>Implying Rebirth isn't tailor made for plebbit.

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>>92694610
>abloobloobloo

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>>92695813
>angel Robin

Even before the confirmation of return to status quo, one of two things was gonna happen
>whoops-a-daisy, turns out everything was wrong again and America really did win! Golly, I hope this doesn't seem like a deus ex machina we used to get ourselves out of a corner. Just like Golden Age comics, except spanning several issues so we can take more of your money!
>lolno, Cap's a Nazi, they were right all along, juden raus, time for us to scandal and die
Would've been much more acceptable were it a *short* delve into althistory before Cap's revealed to be hallucinating or whatever. But they threw themselves into a "damned if you do" sort of thing.

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>>92699761
>a Muhammad Ali

>>92704168
I assume the government had a few clones ready, so they could experiment to create the perfect boxer to beat the Russians there is a good documentary about this, called Rocky IV. Things probably went horribly wrong, as they do, and the clones escaped.

>>92691349
I can respect wanting to shake up the status quo and do something fresh with the genre, but maybe Nazi Steve wasn't the right direction to take it in.

>>92696232
you're thinking of Millenium, where some people turned out to be Manhunters

>>92691456
>other than event fatigue?
Why do I need to come up with another fucking reason? I'm sick to death of events coming along and fucking up the pacing of the books I read.
Books are fucking dying because of this, of that I have no doubt. No one wants to buy a book that ties in to five other books they don't usually pull because an event is running.

>>92692067
Bwahahahaha!
>He's clueless.

So what, fash cap is turned out to be a good 2 shoe who did not order rick execution nor attacking las vegas? Is he even the real cap or the ww2 cap is another time/universe misplace? You bet your ass they gonna kill fash cap and have ww2 cap act as the new cap

>>92696335
So are you an damage controlling intern from Marvel or just a regular shill?

>>92695505
Wasn't there someone on this board who keeps going into fits about how those lists are not accurate at all and how everyone is biased against DC?

>>92691349
Marvel as a whole is flopping outside of the MCU. It's getting harder and harder to find people who actually enjoys reading Marvel comics.

>>92691456
NazI Cap is crossing a line even non-SJWs find super distasteful.

Cap was created by Jewish-American writer as protest against Hitler. He was fighting Nazis before America even entered the war. Steve has always been a paragon acceptance and equality. Making him a tool of hydra is pretty much spitting Joe Simon's grave.

>>92699127
Bendis REALLY wants to be mainstream. That's why he keeps choosing to write characters who are popular in the other medium. GotG, Iron Man, and now the Netflix characters who are also called Defenders instead of HfH or something else. Hell, he's even changed how he's written characters so they can line up with the popular versions. Look at Tony and Jessica. They're copies of the live action ones but done horribly.

He's no longer writing for the love of comics. He just wants the general public to recognize his ass.

>>92708761
the weirdest part of him bastardizing JJ to be more like the show is that he fucking created the character in the first place, he already got the precious creator credit he craved

>>92708808
I don't think he cares about creator credit anymore. He needs to be loved by the mainstream and what better way then writing these on screen characters. Funny thing is, the mainstream doesn't care.

After his appearance on Seth Myers for his Powers tv series he fucking snapped. He thinks he's legit famous now.

>>92691349
He's sorta right in the middle

Marvel has been coasting of safe bets from the longest time hence shitty MCU cut and paste for the Guardians, muh tumblr girl books - all of it is safe.

>>92708964
I wonder what's the long term plans with the ganke/ned thing. I wanna say best case scenario bendis is trying some dumb plan to go "see look it's my character so pay attention to me" but I legit worry he's trying to get money from marvel/sony without starting a lawsuit.

>>92709049
Oh man, he'd be so fucked if he pulled something like that. But, nah. I get the feeling he's just salty as shit and doing it for ego reasons.

>>92708761
He'd better off trying to make movies, tv shows, cartoons and vidya like Johns.

>>92699761
people nervously chuckled back after pause of shock

Now people scream and cry on the internet.

Wowsers, evolution!

>>92709049
I like to think Feige had Ganke renamed to Ned specifically as a fuck you to Bendis

>>92709153
I just wish he would let go of his delusions of grandeur and actually write normal fucking stories again. Now all his shit has to be hugely important socially or to the shared universe. He's writing his books with the intent of being remembered and IMPORTANT, when he should be writing for himself. But I guess reblogs and likes on twitter matter more.

>>92709186
Honestly though I still don't even get why they used Ganke, especially since they have the Animated Miles Morales movie coming up.

>>92691349
In a market like comics where the customers are a small group and a big part of them interested in the industry's behavior (I'm not talking about the hundreds of thousands persons buying Star Wars comics), he may be right.

It seems like a lot of customers don't buy comics because they feel it will have no impact on the shared universe. There're regularly comments about that here.
I wouldn't be suprised if a significant amount of customers didn't buy the 1's of comics they think will flop.

>>92709440
as a fuck you to Bendis, clearly

maybe he really annoyed them when he was still on that creative advisor committee thing

>>92691349

Isn't a similar thing happening to video games? Making games got more expensive so to compensate games have to sell way more and thus be more mass marketable.

>>92699127
Think of it this way--if his books are closely aligned with the film/TV versions, then it's an easier way to justify his stuff staying in print and sold.

Being on the creative committee was a really good way for him to do this since he would get access to stuff before everyone else does and have time to tweak comics a bit to tie in, or choose which project to correspond to whatever movie will be out.

>>92692014
When you compare that with the evolution of a character like Robot in Invincible...

>>92709470
It's the same with movies, music and television too. It's all so expensive to make, so companies end up taking less risk and creating safer products that will be more digestible to wider audiences. Ultimately you end up with things like the MCU.

You know, Marvel used to have a really cool line of books for crazy stories just like this, where they could tell a wack story without having it affect every other book!

It was called What If.

>>92708761
>>92709153
Oh, he's tried... Remember when POWERS was the leading program of PlayStation TV, but it did so badly that Sony forced all Playstation Plus users to automatically download the whole series to boost its numbers?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ty-ojYPivAI

>>92709668
That's the old What If... Modern What Ifs are strictly for FUCK YOU FOR NOT LIKING THIS EVENT, EVERYONE WOULD'VE DIED IF WE DID THINGS YOUR WAY purposes

>>92709668
What If? Marvel made a book that didn't suck

>>92709718
That What If? AvX sucked balls.

>>92709718
Seriously? I have a few old What Ifs hanging around...what if Cap was revived today, what if Sue Storm died, what if Loki found Thor's hammer...

Is that really all there is? I wanted to read the What If Annihilation reached Earth issue but I can't find it anywhere.

>>92709678
You can tell how bitter he is about the failure of that show. For awhile his social media was no longer focusing on comics and instead was nothing but bragging about working in television and hinting that BIG things were coming. This is also the same time he truly started to phone in his comic work as continuity wasn't making any fucking sense issue to issue.

Poor guy thought he was going to escape comics and be part of the big leagues of entertainment. I WAS ON SETH MYERS is something I imagine he tells himself constantly. And now... now he's written one of Marvel's worst events that underperformed, got kicked off the creative committee for the MCU (which he always bragged about) and is now back to writing street heroes but copying how they're done on Netflix.

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>>92709769
what if, indeed

>>92709785
the creative committee as a whole was dissolved with the separation of Marvel Studios and Marvel Entertainment, to be fair, they weren't specifically targeting Bendis

>>92709235
Bendis seems bored of writing capes. It feels like he would rather write about politics in the philipines. I mean, fine, it's understandable. But he continues to write capes. And it shows. Especially in the action. I'm not going to pretend that Ultimate Spider-Man had perfect action, but at least there was something (like Peter fighting Venom or Electro or Doc Ock). Now he skips past fights with his Venom Blast fastforward button. And why? To get to long drawn out dialogue. Which would be okay but the dialogue wasn't so boring as hell.

>>92709813
I know that, I'm just saying to have a seat at that table where you get to rub shoulders with those making these HUGE movies that the public loves and the next minute to have your whole division burned to the ground because you've become a pain in the ass. That must fucking sting.

>>92709798
What the hell is the deal with Thor, anyway?
What happened with Kid Loki, why is there a female Thor, who the fuck is Odinson or Unworthy Thor or whoever?

>>92709821
I think he needs a change of scenery. I sometimes wonder if writing for DC would be a refresher of sorts. But I truly think he's fallen out of love with comics as a whole. He's better suited for Law and Order or some shit.

>>92709749
God that final page was such Wolverwank, it reached Lightning Returns levels...

>>92709821
>Politics in the Philipines

Wait... WHAT?

>>92709855
>Kid Loki
killed by Old Loki, Young Adult Loki takes his place, Young Adult Loki rewrites his own history to become the God of Stories (it's extremely complicated)
>female Thor
OG Thor got really depressed and couldn't/didn't want to pick up his hammer so Jane Foster picked it up
>Odinson/Unworthy Thor
OG Thor without his hammer and with a robot arm and a god-killing axe

>>92709895
>killed by Old Loki, Young Adult Loki takes his place
This is wrong. Young Adult Loki was the murderer

>>92708617
oh you mean the guy that had Kirby draw Cap saluting Hitler

fuck off with your virtue signaling

>>92692013
Button was decent and had lots of great moments, I liked it. Maybe a bit overhyped but we had the batdad oments, jay, and manhatten reveals. I think k it felt more like the pre game to a real event though, which disappointed me.

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>>92710075
Cap was being mind controlled in that panel and it was resolved before the end of the issue. You can't possible compare a single issue to a full event.

P.S. The term "Virtue Signaling" is a bullshut buzzword designed to make people feel bad for having empathy. It makes it patently obvious what horrible shitstain you really are.

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>>92710311
>Cap was being mind controlled in that panel
Oh yeah so very different from this event

>>92710311
>P.S. The term "Virtue Signaling" is a bullshut buzzword designed to make people feel bad for having empathy.
Yeah nah, that's bullshit. the entire point of the term is to point out people pretending to have empathy for certain people or groups to look good.
And don't say people don't fucking do that, because they do.

>>92710326
Not him, but it is. This was always the intention and only a single comic, yours was an asspull because of backlash and is over the span of several issues. This doesn't amount to much happening, yours involves plenty of shit going down because of him.

>>92709668
>where they could tell a wack story without having it affect every other book!
>It was called What If.
Yeah, but nowadays pretty much all of them have been canon to some extent at some point
>What if Spider-Man joined the Fantastic Four?
>What if the Hulk had the brain of Bruce Banner?
>What if the Invaders were still together after WWII?
>What if someone else besides Spider-Man had been beitten by the radioactive spider?
>What if the world knew that Daredevil is blind?
>What if the Avengers had existed in the 1950s?
>What if Jane Foster had found the hammer of Thor?
>What if Rick Jones had become the Hulk?
>What if Nova had been four other people?
>What if Doctor Doom had become a hero?
>What if Phoenix had not died?
>What if Spider-Man's clone lived?
>What if Elektra had lived?
>What if the Hulk went berserk?
>What if Beast and the Thing continued to mutate?
>What if Loki had found the hammer of Thor?
>What if Iron Man had been a traitor?
>What if Wolverine was an agent of SHIELD?
>What if the X-Men died on their first mission?
>What if Spider-Man had never married Mary Jane?
>What if Captain America had led an army of Super Soldiers in WWII?
>What if Valeria Richards had lived?
>What if Phoenix rose again?
>What if the Punisher became Captain America?
>What if Iron Man sold out?
>What if Archangel fell from grace?
>What if Blink from Gen X had not died?
>What if there was a kid with a pet sentinel?
>What if Jessica Jones joined the Avengers?
>What if general Ross became the Hulk?
>What if there was a new Fantastic Four?
>What if Spider-Man's black suit returned?
>What if Doctor Doom gained and kept the Beyonder's full power?

>>92710326
History being rewritten is completely different from mind control. In that issue, the mind control made him a helpless puppet. In secret wars, he still a character with agency and self-determination.

Classic Cap in that panel was being tortured. Current Cap in the event is helping hydra of his own accord.

>>92710340
Are you seriously going to pretend that the cosmic cube plot was an asspull?
Are you retarded?

>>92710358
>History being rewritten is completely different from mind control.
I don't agree. How someone is raised will always have an effect on their character and beliefs. To say otherwise would be stupid.
What's happened to Cap is akin to brainwashing, only Hydra had the ability to literally extend the reprogramming all the way back to his youth.

Don't get me wrong by the way, I despise this event. It's fucking stupid, ham-handed and not well thought out. But this whole "hurr Cap was created by jews to fight nazis so this story is bad because of that" is a dumb argument and I'm sick of it.

>>92710336
I guess psychopaths really just can't understand the concept of caring about other people for the sake of it and just assume people who aren't sick like them are just faking it. That really sad, and I wish I could help you.

That's not "Virtue Signaling" by the way. It's just called compassion.

>>92710359
Cap going from being a genuine agent from it being a temporary thing is an asspull.

>>92710388
That's not a rebuttal, you're just calling me names. I mean you can feel free to believe that no one would ever pretend to agree with a view for popularity if you like, but I respectfully disagree.

>>92710398
How do you reckon? Where did you honestly think the story was actually going to go? That Kobik changes Cap's history so he's a Hydra agent, and that becomes a permanent feature of 616? Really?
What did you think SpOck was going to last forever as well?

>>92692722
>Failed local politician
>Failed DJ
>Failed bar owner

Is there anything this man can do right?

>>92710388
No, retarded animal, the shit tumblrites post is virtue signaling. There may be some overlap with people who actually have compassion, but it's not the same thing.

>>92693314
>new things

Virtue signalling is hardly a recent invention, anon.

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>>92709749
Well, AvX did give us ONE good thing in the P5 costumes, they were all pretty damn nice.

Kindly point me to the cool EVENT ONLY costumes in SE if there are any cause i haven't been seeing any yet.

>>92710677
>>92710658

Hell the Bible AND Quran referenced virtue signalling as being a shitty thing to do, so it's not exactly a new phenomenon.

>>92695141
>Spencer is absolutely correct. There's no way the definitive stores of earlier years like Dark Phoenix, Harry Osburn on pills, the best and weirdest parts of Suicide Squad and new Teen Titans, would be allowed today. Too problematic, too transgressive.
Explain Azzarello's new 52 Wonder Woman run, which was lambasted as INCREDIBLY problematic and transgressive by the progressive left and still made a full run.

>>92710890
And now they're retconning that out because everybody and their mother complained. Azzarello was given complete protection by Didio to do whatever he wants.

>>92696335
Pre-Rebirth, every single marvel event was #1 by default.
Now it is not. That is the point.

>>92710686
Magik's is pretty shit. Cyclops' Phoenix costume is the best he's ever had, though.

>>92710686
You don't like Superior Ock and Hydra Steve's new duds?

>>92692757
>despite being near universally despised by all types of readers
Really? I mean, Superior Foes of Spider-Man was pretty good. Standoff was pretty good. Isn't HYDRA Cap his first major misstep?

>>92711017
"They" (Rucka) are retconning it out because it made nostalgiafag Rucka butthurt that his waifu had been changed. Nobody gave enough of a shit about the mass whining to retcon it until Rucka got his paws on it, even though they had plenty of opportunity with Finch.

That said, those stories were quite recent and happened under the same management that exists today, so to say that "problematic transgressive" stories would not be allowed today is provably false.

>>92696335
This board is full of plebbit crossposters who'll try to shit on this post, but it's so fucking true. Plebbit will even defend bottom of the turd writers like Bennet, Lobdell and Jurgens.

>>92691349
How is "Good guy is actually bad" not safe as fuck?

>>92711054
>Same management that exists today
No, anon. Didio was always open for ideas and trying new shit. Currently, Johns is in charge. He's nothing like based Didio. He's leading an extremely bland and mediocre line and just Rehashing shit and even stunting decent writers. There's a reason King, Lobdell and Humphries are writing at the same level. No way, Azzarello's run would've taken place today.

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>>92711076
So anon, how is it you know all these dark secrets about Reddit's preferences? Because it seems like the only ones who've known what Reddit thinks are the ones defending Marvel, while those who prefer DC are surprised...

>>92711054
>That said, those stories were quite recent and happened under the same management that exists today, so to say that "problematic transgressive" stories would not be allowed today is provably false.

To be fair DC has always been shitted on by leftists despite actually doing diversity as it should be. Or they were outright ignored. Look at how many 10/10 reviews are for America and yet nobody gives New Superman a chance despite him being an actual character instead of a walking abortion like America.

>>92711079
more like
>Good guy is actually bad, and isnt even the actual good guy at all

>>92711093
Doesn't take a genius to notice that Rebirth is reddit the relaunch just like how Marvel now is Tumblr the relaunch.

>>92697100

They're right 0% of the time?

>>92711176
Only if the hands are broken off. Or if it's a digital clock, I guess.

>>92694904
Ten points if you know where it came from.

>>92699063
You're a pussy and a moron

>>92698318
No one,NO ONEcak be this retarded. I don't believe this lie.

>>92691394
What they need is to put out great comics again without worrying about demographics or target audiences.

>>92699761
>older man calling younger man "boy"

That faggot needed a thicker skin.

>>92711040
>Standoff
>Pretty good

A gajillion fucking tie-ins all for people to call Maria Hill evil because apparently people aren't over Civil War and to set up the next big event.

And fuck making SHIELD the bad guys all the time.

>>92699761
Only burgers could be upset at the word boy

>>92711970
Hey, at least they can bring Kyle Maclachlan into the MCU movies when they adapt Standoff in Thunderbolts 3.

>shaming customers for liking what they like
Every time. Experiment with 10% of the line, but 90% of it should be giving the people what they want.

>>92695633
100% agree. It's fucking great.
Also the omni is on clearance everywhere. Buy it fags.

>>92691880
>Lenticular Ed.
Are we really doing this shit again?

>>92709821
Then why the fuck doesn't he do some stuff at Image then?

>>92698283

Make him Kid Arachnid and have an older Peter mentor him on his powers. I've always found it weird that Marvel lacks sidekicks.

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>>92711960
>calling muhammad Ali a faggot
Boi

>>92692722

Plenty more reasons to hate Nick from back in Cincinnati

>>92693219

Yeah that shit was no joke

>>92710358
My biggest problem with this event is it's lack of emotional logic. Before they took over America Cap looked like he was going to reform Hydra into a good organization. But then he lets Elisa form the most twisted High Council ever they start doing OBVIOUSLY bad things that Hydra Cap would never agree to. A suicide bombing? Cap didn't like that Skull had ordered that in issue 1! Hydra Cap seemed like a good guy in a warped organization but now he seems like a pussy who lets his subordinates run wild and murder left and right.

>>92691349
>shitting on trump
>risky

>>92711118
>L-look at me, I'm shitting on both sides!

The automatic defense of the shill.

>>92699761
Soon every word will be considered a slur and communication will cease.

>>92714830
I did once see someone referring to a white teenaged boy as a "boy" and somebody else told them not to use that word because it had been used offensively towards black men. I doubt most SJWs would go that far (a lot of them complain about "white boys" frequently), but there are lunatics like that out there.

>>92710033
Old Loki was the murderer, Young Adult Loki was the murder weapon

>>92699761
Wait what the fuck. Boy is a slur against black people?
Since fucking when?

>>92714721
Nothing he said is wrong though.

>>92715583
Young Adult Loki isn't a fucking weapon without agency. He may have been set up, but he still made the decision. He was still the murderer.

>>92693209
>Make a big fuss over nothing
>Backpedal at the last second
Am I talking about Spencer or WGA?