JSA Storytime: X-Statix

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>>92673777
also this is relevant to our past reading interests

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>>92673777
Tell me what I should read because I didn't read anything today

other than that Atlantic article about Marvel lol

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>>92673855

>>92673855
Deathstroke was entertaining and I checked in on Suicide Squad (which I haven't been reading) and wow, is it shit. Don't read that.

>>92673855
Deadly Class brought another character from the dead. Remender is either getting soft or setting up the biggest gut punch ever.

>>92673855
Deathstroke was pretty good although I haven't been keeping up with the crossover

Wally fans are pretty mad about it though

Hal n Pals was meh and I'd probably feel worse about the ending if Venditti ever did anything emotionally satisfying or impactful

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>>92673878
this is as amazing as it should be

>>92673855
Venom had Tradd Moore on art...and shit writing.

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>>92673950
;___;

also even generally sympathetic woke twitter was not down with the BookRiot article about the Nightwing mini being designed to ruin the character

>>92673855
>other than that Atlantic article about Marvel lol

Was there anything juicy in that? Seems like Marvel's failures are generally obvious

>>92673777
Hello, Storyteller.

Cutie Honey is shallow bullshit, and for the one or two of you who know why I'm bringing this up, I apologize for being an asshole about it.

>>92673799
Huh. Niceiza Legion. Honestly having a hard time picturing that.

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>>92674007
not at all

>>92674012
He's talking about New 52 Legion Lost which was clearly fucked over with a rake by editorial/taken over by Tom DeFalco/ended badly

>>92674012
Did you miss the start of Legion Lost when he was on it or are you memeing about how he didn't get much control on it?

>>92673855

i skimmed it. i wholeheartedly support getting fucking consistent creative teams.

also i haven't read any comics yet...

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>>92674045
The thing with Marvel is that people clearly want to tie the downturn to some content feature, like Nick Spencer making them mad with SE, and it's barely related to content and you can't blame it on any one thing

>I imagine people on twitter will be furious.

Firestorm has some gear in Injustice that makes him look like Wildfire and it angers me

i don't wanna play Firestorm

>>92674076

also they can't/won't say stuff like Civil War 2 is bad and unfocused and pushing away readers

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>>92674080
okay that made me lol

>>92674080
>>92674135

i'm glad now he knows what social media is

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>>92674112
IMO the relaunches and event fatigue have reached a critical point, combined with but not dependent on too many switches in the mainline all at once and no book that's setting the world on fire and getting above average buzz.

>>92674007
The article is literally just a summary of the well-publicized problems Marvel has had recently, spurring another round of the usual comments on twitter etc. I'm not sure what prompted it beyond the writer maybe just making sure he had it all together before putting it to The Atlantic.

It's also over a bit of a shaky timeframe in that it talks about the direct market since the 90s, then specific books from 2013 - now, then social media controversies which are very recent in comparison. It doesn't really tie it into a "and consequently the problems have become unbearable" either but I guess fundamentally it's a reaction piece to an interview everyone has already seen and reacted to.

I don't really disagree with its conclusions all the same.

>>92674135
Man, it's Angel in X-Factor all over again. But with more murder.

>>92674045
>>92674051
I completely forgot Niceiza wrote it. Legion Lost was such a nothing comic that I don't remember much about it. I remember Dawny and Gates were in it, then that shit where Harvest was Monarch, and that's about it.

>>92674171
Certainly nothing since Vision, which we all know was the inferior Tom King product of the time anyway.

>>92674080
Nick Spencer will never not get his digs in.

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>>92674185
I mean, I rolled my eyes at the inevitable "Why not do Stucky?" bit

OH, now for the lulz, someone linked me to the TVTropes page for Bucky, which is concentrated fanwank at its most risible

>>92674226

> "Why not do Stucky?" bit

how are they so blind to best boy

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>>92674247
MCU Pleberei 100%

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>>92674269
oh man

>>92673855
Deathstroke was good despite being part of a crossover.

In fact, it proves that Priest should've written the whole damn thing.

>>92674220
It was, but it received the most critical acclaim and will help convince King to return to Marvel when his exclusive is up.

>>92674226
It got more mileage though. It's like the article itself is a rebranded #1 :^)

I saw some of the reactions to it anyway. This tweet in particular transported me instantly back to high school:

https://twitter.com/illusClaire/status/867408016047562753

>>92674247
I admit I'm coming around to the why not do it side. It's a specifically identified book from that fandom, it'll likely bomb like everything else but at least then you can point to it.

Thunderbolts w/ Bucky doesn't sell but I doubt boyfriend Bucky would or could bomb harder than Foolkiller, Solo and whatnot.

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>>92674361
Oh, her

It also got derailed into furious wanking about how KSD shouldn't have had to pay to promote her own book, with Steve Lieber weighing in that, well, she got a lot of exposure out of it and that's also why people do Big Two

>>92674361
I haven't read the article, but that's an interesting angle to take. It's not as if they told her to do it and pay for it on her own like teachers having to buy shit for their students. She chose to do it.

>>92674419

yeah like everyone talks about having to do that constant hustle for your books.

and it backfires on Big 2 bc the writers/artists eventually leave for greener pastures

>>92674419
There's someone downthread in that one talking about how Carol's reputation was destroyed by Civil War II as well, lol.

And yeah you can compare to like Leth/Quinones taking their Burton Batman idea to DC. People pitch that kinda thing regularly.

Speaking of gay shipping, there was a Storm Hawks thread earlier today, and now I can't stop wondering why erotic subtext between enemies is such a common thing.

>>92674533
fine line between love and hate, etc

>>92674533
Being a supervillain requires a level of obsession and devotion that gets weird if it goes too far.

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>>92674481
also, I figured the thing with the redesign is that she did the proper thing and paid for it as part of a pitch, and then they liked and bought it

>>92674045
Oh my god this is so fucked up.

>>92674414
It would probably sell pretty well on controversy if nothing else

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>>92674569
Also I can't feel that sorry because KSD built the CUlt of KSD out of CM and I find it creepily devoted, so hey, it worked for her

>>92674637
KSD
more like fuckin uhhhhhh
STD

>>92674653
Isn't LSD loser?

>>92674569
The life imitating "art" here is p. good.

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>>92674637

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>>92674700

>>92674684
LSD isn't really an insult tee bee aych

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>>92674739
oops

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>>92674772
also the lesson for tonight is "don't assault reporters while the audio is running"

>>92674829
The lesson for tonight is OP IS A FUCKING FAGGOT

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>>92674829

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>>92674859
i love you, sugartits

>black and white or color?

>>92674863
Holy shit, Skate Man?!

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>>92674886

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>>92674944
given the Allreds this is sickly funny, NGL

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>>92674990

>>92674863
Amazing.

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>>92675019

>>92674894
Skate Man had roller skates. This is more Night Thrasher.

>>92675019
>I think what people keep forgetting when they whine about this "new" direction is that the old direction was failing horribly; how else do they explain the attempts to revitalize the direction almost every year in the past?

Also lol @ waifufag Alex Barrett in the letter below that.

>>92674886
>I'd certainly exercise my franchise in his direction
Is this a euphemism for something?

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>>92675115
that sounds familiar, don't it

>>92675127
It is a penis metaphor

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>>92675136

>>92675019
>Bucky is the best. He is the best of all. He is, by far, the most interesting character yet. He is dead - not all the time. He is my favorite member of the Marvel Universe. He is a fine, sexy man.

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>>92675127
dick joke

>>92674566
>>92674568
The sad thing is that this kind of relationship is almost never allowed to actually go anywhere beyond jokes and maybe some drama.

For once I'd like to see the hero and villain just flat out start dating.

>>92675273
I'm sure there's some gay superhero webcomic where this happens. I think /lbgt/ make fun of it.

>>92675273
Batman and Catwoman?

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>>92675236
So I don't think if they got a re-do that they'd kill Edie. Or maybe they still would. Her shadow hangs so very long.

>>92673777
Heyho.

Phat is getting a bit gooey, ain't he.

>>92675273

>For once I'd like to see the hero and villain just flat out start dating.

this board is gonna explode because of King shipping Bat/Cat

>>92675293
Young Protectors? The villain looks like Deathstroke

>>92675273
So what you're saying is, why doesn't Batman just date the Joker?

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>>92675297

>>92675297
Yeah, issues like this one show that Milligan fell in love with the character, but a bit too late.

>>92673855
The only thing I've read today is the first half of Guardians, because Duggan.

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>>92675321
>>92675332
So the weirdest thing about that Bad Take on Dick was the assertion that it's a deliberate attempt to ruin the character, who Higgins clearly adores

>>92675311
That looks like it yeah, I don't read it. I'm not gonna talk about which gay webcomics I read.

>>92675376
That is pretty weird, what motive would a company have to deliberately "ruin" a popular character?

also if they wanted to actually ruin him it would probably take a lot more than an elseworld where he's not even the villain

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>>92675386
just for the love of god don't read Teahouse, ever

(it kept popping up as a meme)

>>92675386
You sure you don't have any recs?

>>92675332
>>92675297
It's definitely hard to filter out the way the story goes after she's been killed off. It feels like it would be a totally different (or maybe just less effective) story if that didn't happen. I suppose you could kill off someone else and have Sensitive mope about that but I dunno if it would be as effective.

Maybe the thing to do would be to have her choose to leave the team? Then she could literally be acting her own role here.

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>>92675426
sadly realistic :(

>>92675425
the author has also written some, and I do not use this word casually, hysterical stuff about HydraCap and its impact

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>>92675426
But it's hilarious.

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>>92675467
Why are those edits always funny

>>92674112
>i don't wanna play Firestorm

Ah, why not, enough dudes have been Firestorm that you ought to be able to like at least on of them.

OP, any chance on ever running Firestorm for more Ostrander 80s politcal zeitgeist?

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>>92675503
we read most of it way back when, didn't we

>>92675503
We actually have read Ostrander Firestorm. And nu52 Firestorm, for that matter.

>>92675457
Is Milligan self-inserting as a writer again? He did this in Shade too.

>>92675435
I read trash, anon. I read the fucking rink twink comic and Starfighter. You don't want these recs.

>>92675297
>>92675443
It's a bit eerie how similar this is to Lyrissa's death. Not even that they're both blue and best girl, but in how much their demises changed everything, and how their respective series would be waaay different had they survived.

Death in comics is usually a really bad idea, but in these cases, it actually managed to matter worth a shit.

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>>92675540
I want to ask Simone "what was N52 Firestorm supposed to be about"

actually, she's spammy and open on twitter, it'd be doable and I bet she'd answer

>>92674185
>I'm not sure what prompted it beyond the writer maybe just making sure he had it all together before putting it to The Atlantic.

Maybe Atlantic Alumnus Coates ending his Black Panther spinoff?

>>92675578
I thought those blank bubbles were to show the guy was screaming but couldn't be heard but I don't know what they are now. Can someone explain it to me?

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>>92675575
Yeah, you know, if you're going to do it, make it COUNT, and make it about the character in some way.

>>92675634
huh, not quite sure

>>92675556
It feels really weird to read this series where Milligan is pretty fucking lit and just savagely brings the lens in close and then shows you the acceptable face of it, or vice versa, like here >>92675501 >>92675523 and compare it with Milligan now. I've read some issues of Britannia and his most recent 2000AD thing and I don't think they're bad but there's no comparison at all.

>>92675578
I liked the basic ideas behind it. Two Firestorms with different powersets that could fuse into one was a good way to bypass the old problems with the character- he's way too broken, and even though the fusion involves two people, it only empowers one. And the premise that there's a worldwide arms race by the world's government to replicate Firestorm was a premise with potential. But the execution was kinda lacking.

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>>92675689
I kind of appreciated how weird and horror violent it got, a bit after the fact. It was at least a different angle.

>>92675683
I'm actually thinking about running Milligan N52 Stormwatch again and reading it as deliberate trolling.

>>92675634
I think it's supposed to be something like that, maybe Edie zoning out so she can't really hear him until he screams?

>>92673777
OPはふぁっごとです

>>92675745
That seems like a fair reading, TY anon.

>>92674419
>Robbie Rodriguez

Insufficiently on fire.

>>92675732
How pleasant would it be to just sky-sit above the city and drink.

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>>92675732
>>92675799
that'd be awesome

>>92675774
That's Robbie Reyes, anon. R A C I S T

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>>92675819
;___;

>>92675689
Van Sciver just wanted to rip-off Johns' emotional spectrum shit. Fucking worthless hack, I can't wait till DC boots him off.

>>92675732
>>92675819
Edie, pls.

!>>92673935
There was a kid in my LCS with his dad today who was interested in lantern corps that aren't green and I convinced him to pick up the first tpb for GLs over HGGLC. Not only is it better, but the reds play a big role in the first arc

>>92675850
>MARRY ME SLUK

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>>92675850
So everyone in X-Statix is also some particular neurosis manifest

>>92675819
>>92675850
Oof.

>>92675683
The last recent thing that I read from him that I remember at all is the last chunk of Hellblazer. I think I read Red Lanterns and Justice League Dark, but barely remember any details.
The only bits of his Hellblazer run that I recall are Dark John molesting his niece, the bizarre ending, and Milligan's waifu Epiphany (who might not have even been alive when the series started).

>>92675905
well I hope they enjoy it

I don't really care for GLs much either personally, the whole line has been mostly disappointing for a long time

I can't believe it took me until last night to figure out that Venus' name comes from her seemingly detached arms.

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>>92675927
Can you break them down for a dumbass? What's Tike's definable neurosis?

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>>92675994
>>92676017
OCD

>>92676017
He literally spells it out himself on-page:

>>92673942

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>>92676032
that's the cutest Doop

>>92675968
The GL stuff is dead to me until they actually start doing some space cop stuff for once, and stop with all the focus on the human lanterns. This will never happen, so Green Lantern can officially fuck off.

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>>92676056
I am so here for space cop weird GLs stuff and it's like you have to go back to Tales of the Corps to dig in on that

>>92674080
?

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>>92676102

>>92676102
>>92661497

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>>92676092

pretty sure Jessica and Baz are getting into space bulllshit fwiw

i'm behind on that book bc Lantern Lore stuff is yaaaawn tho

>>92676056
>>92676092
I like most of the human GLs but there's so much cool stuff you could do with the aliens, also HJGLC having some universe shaking event every other arc is tiring, also the characterization is pretty blunt and there isn't that much good character interaction between any of the humans and aliens barely get any page time

I know GLs has more lowkey moments which is nice but I also don't really want to read about even more rookie GLs who are kind of shitty at being GLs and barely qualified to begin with

>>92674226
I'm going to bust a gut laughing if the popularity of the movie leads Spike to try to make Guy leader again for synergy.

>>92676092
pre-SCW GLC was fun in that way

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>>92676162
daaaang

dear owls, I'm gonna go play some games, so I will see you, ummm, Sunday! Yeah! thanks for reading

>>92674327
Daaamn, mutophile be thirsty af

>>92676211
I want to read the Kyle attempts mandatory alien PTSD counselling desu.

>>92676226
Nite OP. How are you liking TESO?

>>92676092
>Edie was drunk when she came up with the name U-Go Girl
That makes too much sense. Also, Doop has a fan girl there. Nice.

But yeah, it's pretty damn irritating to know there's all this cool shit and all these cool alien Corps officers we could be following, but we're forced instead to follow the humans and their drawn out bullshit.

Frankly, I blame the relatability meme. Obviously, we readers are just too damn stupid to get invested in a story about a character who isn't human, so we can't have anything starring the aliens, all of whom happen to be far more interesting characters. No no reader, we'll spare your retard brain of anything potentially challenging and keep it nice and simplistic.

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I was being literal about Milligan doing it in Shade
1/2
>>92676226
goodnight op!

>>92674361
>KSD is DIRECTLY responsible for turbodyke nuCarol
UNFORGIVABLE

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>>92676343
2/2

>>92676303
MY INVENTORY IS SO FUCKING SMALL

I'm enjoying the running around and exploring, but other people being in the world is fucking weird as fuck

>>92674419
>Robbie Rodriguez
Sooooo close

How was there never a skateboarding Ghost Rider in the late 90's/early 00's?

>>92676381
I'm never gonna MMO again after WoW and Guild Wars, but I'm curious what TESO is like.

>>92676343
>>92676371
Proof positive Lenny is the real Shade waifu.

>>92676414
Right now I'm basically ignoring everyone else and enjoying finding things and shanking bitches, and the magic is less annoying than how Skyrim had you assign it to your hands so specifically, thank god

>>92676226
Thanks for posting as always, Storyteller.

Seriously though, why always the blue ones?

>>92676226
thanks again OP

>>92674637
Whoa, Guy, watch that hand there in the first panel

>>92674694
SYNERGY

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>>92676442
He definitely liked to write her more than Kathy
and lol at this cover
>the Girlfriend
>The Girlfriend's girlfriend
Oddly progressive for the 1990s

>>92675523
Well, serves me right for only coming in on the tail end of Legion then.

>>92676517
The issue where Shade finds out is a fucking riot.

>>92676514
I was really expecting a blatant synergy thing, like 'the team needs to be more like the movie' here. Also >>92673880 Suicide Squad is totally the DC movie synergy book.

>>92674886
>i love you, sugartits
That wasn't me, though! This is! >>92675746

>>92675834
Oh right. Shit.

Needs more dick gun?

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>>92676560
1/4

>>92676017
OCD and racial self loathing.

>>92676607
you're popular!

>>92674894
Skate man! Fuck yeah!

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>>92676687
2/4

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>>92676727
3/5. whoops

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>>92676760
Nevermind it was 4/4
Poor guy.

>>92675207
Underrated

>>92676226
See you Sunday then.

>>92676760
>>92676792
I get such a kick out of dry and unflappable Lenny is. You're definitely right about Milligan having more fun writing her.

There's also a weird thing which kinda brought on my waifu comment where I feel like, Kathy is almost acknowledged as waifu in the text? I think there are definitely moments in the story like that and that's sort of part of the reason why the end ends up where it does (almost out of obligation?). Sometimes it just feels like Milligan being sharp with the characters, but not all the time.

IDK I'd need to marshal my thoughts on it better to make a real reading or argument.

>>92676314
>all of whom happen to be far more interesting characters.

I think this is reaching.
They are maybe more VISUALLY interesting, but the vast majority of them have gotten so little screentime over the years that this is a baseless claim.

Especially since everything from Johns onwards is event-buildup-event-buildup-event to the tremendous detriment to everyone involved.

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>>92675081
>that plush

>>92675136
A bit surprised she didn't have any thongs tbf

>>92676792
>Finding out your gf is bisexual
>Being part of a pseudo-threeway with her and Death
Why poor?

>>92677772
>pseudo-threeway

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>>92677772
Dude had a rough time recently, with his physical body dying, and he had to learn that his girlfriend was cheating on him by being trapped as the blanket that they screwed on.
His life doesn't exactly improve right after this.

Dammit I didn't realize we were on tonight

Bump I guess

>>92678688
And he is dead again.

>>92674419
El Guapo is an underrated X-Character. Complete control over a skateboard is so funny and scary at the same time.

thanks OP

>>92681501
>implying it's not the skateboard that has control over him