Captain America: Steve Rogers #17 Storytime

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>>92660917

>>92660939
Don't forget that you said that if you don't follow American Idol or NASCAR then you're not a real American.

>>92661018
Wait, why is Mr. Hyde of all people running this?

>>92661076
So there you have it. Magneto isn't a Nazi, are you happy SJWs?

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>>92661046
In-universe reason? They probably needed someone that was both a scientist (Zabo) and able to put anyone that stepped out of line the fuck down (Hyde). Plus, he was part of Zemo's Army of Evil so he was already part of the Hydra family. Gotta allocate your resources where they'll be the most useful.

Out-of-universe reason is so they can have Quake vs. Hyde in Secret Warriors.

>>92661127
>>92661089
>>92661076
Disappointed to see tha Gorgon says nothing for the whole meeting. He's a mutant himself, so you'd think Magneto would say something to him and Gorgon would respond "I am Hydra first and a muant second".

>>92661164
>Americops
So that's still a thing. At least now they're beating up white people too.

>>92661018
really just going full Breen with this huh

>>92661194
>I imagine people on Twitter will be furious
BURN

>>92660939
Fuck you, Spencer. She asked him about Myspace. Myspace.

>>92660917
can we move this event to /aco/ or something?

>>92661194
>I imagine people on twitter will be furious
SAVAGE
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>>92661093
>>92661127
Nope, because Spencer still thinks Magneto is still 'evil'. Pissing on the past few years of character progression.

>>92661275
But nobody uses MySpace anymore, so the comment Steve makes at the end wouldn't work otherwise >>92661194

>>92661275
Sliding Timescale. Civil War I now happened years after myspace stopped being relevant, meaning she would have asked him about whatever the relevant social media at the time was. Twitter makes more sense for that.

>>92661299
Magneto isn't evil, he's pragmatic. He's doing what is best for his people even if it goes against what the X-Men stand for.

>>92661045
Subtle Spencer.

>>92661345
Cap straight up calls him evil though.

>>92660939
Spencer settling grudges on behalf of the fans here.

Alright I really can't see how at this point anyone can read this without seeing that, on some level, some of these beats represent Spencer's critiques of a Trump America

This comic has the subtlety of a baseball bat.

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>>92661194
> cuts straight to PLEASE STAND BY

damn, I thought it would put Steve on the defensive, but he didn't even flinch. Pretty interesting issue.

>>92661404
When the real world is more ridiculous than anything you could come up with on your own, it'd be a missed opportunity to not pull from that.

>>92660939
>I humiliated him.
>Asked him if he knew what Twitter was
Heavy stuff.

>>92660917
Good issue.

>>92661018
>>92661046

Mr Hyde is a gruel Doctor. Guess They need a Joseph Mengel for their Inhuman Concentration Camps

>>92661207
well, now it's the time to kill the cunt
Do it now

>>92661404
No shit, really?

>>92661194
#shots
#fired

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>>92661194
SAVAGE
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>>92661137
Spencer making Cap full Trump.

>>92661369
From caps perspective he killed american soldiers and threatened with nuclear force. He sees him as just another would be dictator.

>>92661164
Oh hey Americops don't beat up a black person for once.

>>92661194
kek that was pretty good

>>92661404
Steve is a good looking, charismatic war hero. Trump is a ugly, orange, draft dodger who can't string together a sentance with a vocabulary higher then a primary school student. Comparing them is a insult to Steve.

>>92661468
Tell that to the people who kept denying it the whole run

>>92661164
>hydra warships are just commercial aircraft
>cap back in his blue mask in he last panel

wew

>>92661592
Steve is an equal opportunity fascist. He's not going to let them give anyone special treatment.

>>92661609
Steve being in the position to be saying and doing the things he has in this story is insulting to Steve especially since Secret Empire started. He's basically turned into a charismatic Trump

>>92661497

So many uses.....

Thanks, OP.

>>92661624
Just because some of it is doesn't mean all of it is. It's one thing to say that the monologues that are clearly analogues for what's happening in the real world have some critiques against Trump laced in them. It's another to try and justify EVERYTHING being a commentary on Trump no matter how much of a stretch it has to be just so you have an excuse to get upset and bust out lazy /pol/ memes.

>>92661089
So, which Xorn is this?

>>92661742
The Bunn UXM one

>>92660952
Yeah, what happens to Vagas stays in Vagas.

Besides, it's still not as bad as what Juggernaut did to Vagus in Fear Itself.

>>92661194
Panel of the year?

>>92661404
more like every american president since jfk got shot

>>92661798
Shit, should I read that run?

>>92661194
>>92661207
serves you right

>>92660939
She asked him about MySpace!

But I guess you need to revise history, otherwise she'd be the one who looks like the out of touch idiot, complaining about Beanie Babies.

That story aged so poorly, I'm surprised Spencer of all people is letting Sally Floyd off easy.

>>92661878
>She asked him about MySpace!
Sliding timescale. Civil War happened around 4 years ago in-universe, and literally no one was using Myspace in 2013.

>>92661840
Yes, but read his Magneto run first. Bunneto is one of the few good things the X-men franchise has had going for the past few years.

>>92661905
Didn't Justin Timberlake or someone buy it in 2013, and turned it into some musician platform thing? Whatever happened with that?

>>92661037
is her power using her sidecut to make my dick diamonds?

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>>92661194
>I imagine people on twitter will be furious

FUCKING REKT

>>92661905
Which basically give Floyd - and which ever writer wrote that scene - a pass on just how stupid it was at the heart.

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>>92661944
>sidecut to make my dick diamonds
Why were you born?

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>>92661194
Someone stop this madman

>>92661840
Sure, if you can tolerate land on art it is a decent read

>>92661194
>pfft people will get mad on twitter >:)
>gets mad at everything on twitter

Pottery

>>92661194
Love it. Whole event was worth it for this.

>>92661226
Wait, is that PymTron on the cover of issue #4?

>>92661194

Holy Shit.
This is some real triggering Material right there.

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>>92661194
>I imagine people on Twitter will be furious

>>92661941
It worked for a little bit until stuff like Soundcloud ate the "social media for musicians" bit of the market up while Facebook and Twitter continued to dominate regular social media. Not much reason for using myspace when no one else is using it. Defeats the point of social media.

I mean, site's still around so clearly someone is using it.

>>92662129
Yep. Kobik was broken up into 8 pieces and scattered across the planet. Of those 8, we know 5 of them are in the control of:
>Namor
>Xorn
>Black Panther
>the Savage Land
>Pymtron
Most of Secret Empire seems like it'll just be about Steve and the Underground fighting over the cosmic cube pieces. The Underground so they can change Steve back to his old self and Steve so he can turn 616 into the Hydraverse.

Hail hydra.

Take that veronica.

>>92661059
Cap's face in the last panel, this art is gold.

>>92661716
I flat out said on some level that it is, not that that's all it is

>>92661984
to have superior taste

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>>92661194
>That burn

>>92662239
I missed previous mention of PymTron, though I also seem to miss when Steve lifted Mjolnir too.

>>92660979
i guess ben isn't going to be in vegas for very long

>>92662275
Not saying you're doing that, but a general problem with storytimes of this run has been that there's always some asshole trying to convince everyone that some scene is a Trump-allegory when it clearly isn't. This clearly is. The Oath had a lot of that. The occasional monologue or comment here and there.

But stuff like, and someone actually tried to claim this, Steve throwing Red Skull out of a window wasn't some antifa call to arms to overthrow Trump via violent means and "clearly calling Trump a nazi." No, it was just Steve Rogers throwing the Red Skull out the window because fuck the Red Skull.

The run isn't devoid of Trump callouts or critiques or just observations, but it's not some big anti-Trump propaganda piece.

>>92662323
It hasn't been said in the comic itself. We know about it because of solicits for future issues. Same with the Savage Land piece. Only ones that have been confirmed in the comic itself so far is Namor/Xorn/T'Challa.

Steve lifting mjolnir happened in the FCBD issue, which was easy to miss if you didn't pick it up on FCBD.

So I'm a tiny bit lost, apparantly another comic shows a different Steve Rogers, so this might not be the real one?

>>92660917
Spencer writes a very convincing demagogue. it shows that he has a background in politics
shame that people got triggered and sales are tanking, because this is easily the best event in years

>>92661137
/pol/ please

>>92662394
This is the real one altered by Kobik's reality warping. The one that showed up at the end of the last issue of Secret Empire is some alt-universe Steve that got stuck in 616. There's been a lot of "alt-universe character gets trapped in 616" as a result of Secret Wars.

But no, the other one isn't the real one. This one is, or isn't, depending on your definition of "real." You could argue that this Steve is no more the real Steve than the other one since he's the Steve from the Hydraverse timeline created by Kobik.

So why is Steve part of Hydra ?

>>92661127
So what's the point of this, because Red Skull grafted a chunk of Xavier's brain onto his own?

>>92661059
>>92661076
>>92661089
>>92661127
Call me crazy... But I think it would take a lot more than some old Nazi's head to make Erik subservient to a fascist regime openly operating concentration camps...

>>92662539
Hydra used a cosmic cube to rewrite reality so Steve was a Hydra agent since youth.

I don't know if the "nazis won world war 2 then cosmic cube reboot" thing is a lie or not though.

>>92662597
Nice. Now he's the übermensch he always was meant to be

>>92661404

Wow, you are so smart anon!

>>92661152
Considering he thinks they actually used a cosmic cube to literally change what actually happened i don't know why he's acting like the media has been lying to people when they've been completely truthful...

>>92662597
>I don't know if the "nazis won world war 2 then cosmic cube reboot" thing is a lie or not though.
In the "Hydra" timeline that the cosmic cube created and this Steve is from had it end with a cosmic cube being used to turn the Hydra timeline back to 616. That's why from Steve's perspective, THIS is the fake universe created by reality warping while his is the "real" one. He's wrong, but because of how things played out in the Hydra timeline, it's impossible to prove that to him.

But the Allies turned the hydra timeline back into 616 before the war was over, so "the nazis won WWII" isn't actually true. The war wasn't over and even in the hydra timeline, the allies might have won the war even without the cosmic cube.

>>92661194
Hope she's being sent to Zola so he can treat that sick burn.

>>92661404
But Steve is actually successful whereas trump is an idiot.

>>92662575
The chunk of Xavier's brain was already removed and destroyed by the Human Torch. This is just a trophy because fuck the Red Skull.

>>92661194
i would love an edit replacing twitter for myspace

>>92661164
man how long are americops going to be around

>>92662577
>subservient
But he's no subservient. He gets his Genosha 3, mutants get left alone, and those inhuman fucks that were genociding their race are getting thrown into camps. Why would Magneto care about what happens to some filthy inhumans?

>>92661404

so what?

You're not allowed to criticize the God-King Trump and his American empire?

Fuck off Kim Jong-Un

>>92662653
Get the public to doubt the media to further their trust in Steve. "The media is lying to you. Only my regime is telling you the truth. You can't trust them, you can only trust me." is a pretty standard tactic for dictators.

>>92662575
Remember who Magneto is Anon. Remember his childhood and maybe you will understand why having the Skulls head would be a nice trophy.

>>92661497
>>92661497
now replace with tumblr and /v/

>>92662730
Has nothing to do with the criticism as it's that it's bad enough that we gotta deal with Trump's shit in reality, did we really need to warp Marvel's ultimate paragon just to make a point and then make us sit through it for over a year?

>>92661037
>still pushing the absolute monarchy

>>92662397
Spencer's better at writing demagogues than writing heroes and patriots. He should stick to writing villains.

>>92663386
Well, it's gotten us one of the best events in years (low bar, I know) and one of the very few things keeping current Marvel remotely interesting. So yeah, I'd say it's worth the occasional "wah wah, Trump."

>>92661194
A JOKE WITH A 7 YEARS SETUP

>>92661194
I feel like Captain America should have that that whole thing aired.

The nation would probably feel more confident knowing their supreme leader has a flame thrower coming out of his mouth.

>>92663839
No, anon. The bantz is too strong. People aren't ready for it.

>>92661497
Can someone edit this to say either "the thread" or " in the thread" instead of on Twitter?

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>>92661059
Magneto could have ended the event right there.

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>>92661137
>>92661152
fuck Drumpf and fuck white people

I bet Steve has two scoops while the rest of HYdra gets one

>>92661194
We'll be getting a lot of use out of that last panel

>>92660992
What did he do with the hammer after the FCBD issue?

>>92661076
>"Now, I, of course, am allowed to mutate via super-serum, Mags, but all you randomly mutating people? Fuck off from the USA!"

>>92661037
Iso cute, terrible leader though

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>>92661194
In case anyone wants it:

>>92661160
Does Spencer even know about it though?

>>92664729
Probably bullied Odinson with it until he joined his Avengers.

>>92664632
Yeah, this scene would have worked better if Gorgon had shown up with a communicator and Steve was just a hologram.

>>92664825
I think so, otherwise why would he specifically put him at the meeting

>>92664825
Know what? That Gorgon is a mutant? I assume he does, otherwise why would Gorgon be the only one with Steve for this meeting with Magneto?

>>92664891
That'd look kinda weak. And do you really think he'd let somebody else carry Schmidt's head?

>>92664778
It's a 4chan banner in the making

>>92664902
>>92664914
Maybe because Magneto is hiding out in Madripoor, a place that Gorgon and the Hand know well, since they turned the entire island into a dragon in that one story Spencer wrote.

>>92664939
Ohh

>>92661194
kind of like you, nick, haha

>>92661194
Spencer would know just how FURIOUS people on twitter can be.

>>92660992
Whatever happened to femthor?

>>92665141
Isn't he mad on twitter all the time?

>>92665189
Everyone on Twitter is furious all the time.

>>92665189
That's exactly what I meant.

He'd know from his very own experience.

>>92665232
Nope, just SJWs and Marvel employees.

>>92665337
>Nope, just SJWs and Marvel employees.
So literally everyone on twitter but Trump?

>>92665354
Trump is mad on twitter all the time too, though.

>>92664891
All of Steve's hologram coloring had to be shifted over to hoodie-wearing Tony

>>92665410
But that can't be true. Only SJWs and Marvel employees are mad on twitter all the time. See: >>92665337

>>92665354
Cereal Lord and CIA King never get mad on twitter.

>>92665428
>Trump is obviously not an SJW
>Is however, given his employment of jewish bankers and his support of Israel, an obvious jewish stooge
>Jews own Disney
>Disney owns Marvel.
>The president of the United States is a secret Marvel employee.

Truly, the Disney conspiracy to destroy the DCEU knows no bounds.

>>92665495
I mean, one of Trump's biggest supporters was literally the CEO of Marvel.

>>92665186
died of cancer

>>92665186
She vanished, a tie-in in Waid's Avengers will explain.

>>92664327
Wunderbar.

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>>92662239
is this Dragon Ball now?

>>92661404
I'm not clapistani, what's so Trump-ish about Steve, besides the possible MAGA parallel?

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>>92661194
Frontlines was worth it for this moment.

>>92666818
>blaming aliens for social and economic issues
>appealing to the blue-collar working class
>Massive wall
>Ties to an anti-american hostile foreign power
>suppression/denial of professional and amateur news media
>historical revisionism

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>>92661194

>>92661018
>>92661028
This is the Inhuman from issue 1 of Secret Empire that could spit out lunchboxes, right?

>>92667435
Oh shit. Nice catch!

>>92661018
>>92660999
>>92661045
Why doesn't Hydra just deport/exile all mutants and Inhumans? Tell them to move Attilan somewhere else.

>>92660992
Does Rogers still have Mjolnir on his person or was that just a one-time thing?

>>92661194

this event is the first good event of Marvel in ages (Secret Wars had great tie ins but the main event wasnt very good)
It is a shame it has such bad press (from normies who dont read comics and are outraged by Hydra Cap) and by all the people bothered by the comic being political.

>>92667658
Pleasant Hill doesn't count?

>>92660979
In Secret Empire 2 the damage was nowhere near this bad.

>>92662725

Exactly. He isnt Xavier he doesnt give a shit about coexistence and Captain America is giving him the hypothetical state that wouldnt be mutantphobic. Just like the red states who have been brainwashed into believing diversity and social justice is a good thing.

Or until he goes back on his word and deploys sentinels with Capt America colors

>>92667679

well, it was more self contained. not a full company crossover.

>>92661226
>Namor
Didn't he die?

>>92668241
He got better due to time fuckery

>>92660939
It was not the reverse case? she asked some bullshit, Captain respond and she get humiliated?

>>92666818
I'm not that anon, but dictators tend to all use the same playbook. Trump is merely stupider than the usual person in this role.


There's also blaming "aliens/minorities" that are actually citizens as foreign/threats/ills while ignoring another set of aliens minorities that he's actually a part of. (Mutants and inhumans are bad but Superhumans like himself , the Avengers that are on his side, and Nazi genetic experiments are all fine.)

The giant wall (which makes more sense in this context although I can't tell if he flopped the parallel or not.) It's simultaneously a good parallel and a bad one. It's a bad one in that it's a fucking awesome idea in general to have a planetary shield and it's difficult to sympathize with the chitauri when they are unequivocally bad guys at everything with no derivation from their lack of a moral stance ever shown out of trillions. It's a good parallel in that the chitauri are supposed to be the syrian refugees in retrospect. The chitauri and the refugees are alike in that they're both problems caused by attacking their native lands in the first place and their resulting reaction is not only reasonable but almost entirely the fault of the politicians/groups abusing their plight for political purposes.
We saw las Vegas the "sanctuary city" get taken out for having compassion.

Hydracap is also inclined towards quite a few of the unconstitutional things that Trump has expressed wanting to do like silencing the press.
Once again I must point out that NOTHING we are seeing in RL or in this comic is really new. It is a centuries old pattern that everyone should have been taught about in middle or high school.
Hydracap is Trump-like and while it's presumably on purpose by the writer he is going to be like Trump simply via virtue of being an actual dictator.
Trump is technically not a dictator yet but he has expressed the opinions/objectives and used warning actions of one repeatedly. He fits the superficial mindset.

>>92661059
so...Captain America see Magneto as the true representative of the mutant population, fuck the x-men, storm, kitty pryde, etc.
If cyclops were alive he would go to see him and probably get the fuck out.

>>92668466
Nope, Cap was so broken by the war that he couldn't even muster a response to Sally Floyd's bullshit speech. Or maybe Jenkins expected us to think that Sally Floyd's arguments were so convincing that Steve genuinely couldn't think of a response.

>>92661194
so this is criticism for the actual US population that only "get furious in twitter" but do not do anything real about the things they see wrong (Trump)

>>92668826
Pretty much. Keyboard warriors, who think "winning" internet arguments makes up for their tangible lack of political knowledge and activism.

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>>92661194
>I imagine people on twitter will be furious.

Spencer pls

>>92661164
When did cap put a mask on?

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>>92668826

>>92660970
HELL YEA FUCK VEGAS BURN IT DOWN CAP!

>>92661194
Don't worry, they can continue the conversation at the next NASCAR race or ask the winner of American Idol about it!

>>92661194
Steve orchestrated the entire Hydra Empire just to deliver this burn to Floyd didn't he?

>>92669597
Absolutely worth it.

>>92660917
I want this as a Cap alt for MvCi

>>92670169
His attack names wouldn't make much sense, though.
>Charging Skull!
>Skull and Tentacles!

>>92665428
Very well, I correct my statement:

SJWs, Marvel employees and Donald Trump.

(THE Donald, of Donald Trump fame, the guy with the haircut)

>>92667561
Probably just a one-time thing. They made a point in saying he was worthy "in that moment." It's doubtful that he still is after going full fascist overlord.

>>92661194
I wonder if people will actually get mad on twitter over this. Also, burn of the fucking century, literally, figuratively, objectively & subjectively BTFO.

>>92670775
Ran into someone on facebook mad about this.

>>92670255
But I see /v/idea game nerds get mad all the time on twitter too, like when they thought that kangaroo was cut from the American version of Tekken, or when Jim sterling did a video about world of tanks.

>>92661609

Stay envious of our Doctor president billionaire celebrity Trump.

>>92660939
Facebook's more analogous to Myspace than Twitter is though, isn't it?

>>92671227
Do people still use facebook?

>>92661076
Didn't Magneto once look into Captain America's heart and realize he genuinely had no prejudice against mutants whatsoever, thus causing him to give up?

>>92670253
It seems like if they re-record the lines to change them to fit would work. Similar could be done to make more conversion alternates.

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>>92661194
TOP BURN
2 MUCH 2 HANDLE
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH SNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP

>>92671266
Very much so. Mostly because you don't have the character limit that twitter does.

>>92660917
>Dark Reign part 2
We already did this, so who throws the shield that goes banging off of his head?

>>92671831
Norman Osborne

>>92671860
>Norman Osborne knocks Steve out with a pumpkin bomb and proceeds to lecture him on why he can't just take over the world and make people live under his boot.
I'd pay good money to see that.

I feel like we need supervilliains in general to step up their game if we have so many fucking "heroes" turning evil.

>>92671908
Marvel Citizens will then give Steve's job to Norman.

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>>92671908
>Villain beating down another villain and telling them why their conquest is dumb
I'd love something like that.

>>92672115
>A guy with a sword getting destroyed by a space rock goddess
This isn't even remotely fair.

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>>92661194
Absolutely REKT
Retroactively makes Civil War: Frontline worth it just for this savage burn 10 years later

>>92661194
I feel like it would have more impact if he said myspace, but this has more use in the current day. Also, holy shit.

>>92660917
That hydra uniform looks so damn cool.

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>>92672328
>Absolutely brutal when she cuts loose
>Completely wrecks Techno and Graviton just with words
Man, I really hope they start using Karla again. Maybe not in this event, since it's already packed, but sometime soon.

>>92672894
Silly Karla, you don't appeal to Captain Mar-Vell's human woman fetish as much because you aren't a person. Could never be Miss Marvel.

>>92661226
Why does he have tumblr nose-knees?

>>92673113
She got Noh-Varr in the sack, that has to count for something.

>>92668618
lol cuck

>>92673210
Nope.

>>92661207

I hope they rape you in jail. This has been a long time in coming.

>>92672894
Needs more hatefucking. Much, much more hatefucking.

>>92661194
MAD MAN
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>>92661194
can someone post the frontlines panel? I don't remember

This comic is completely terrible. Staggeringly bad.
Thanks for sharing op.

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>>92673824
Here's the page.

>>92674028
thanks man

>>92673936
t. Sally Floyd apologist

>>92674028
god this never fails to fucking infuriate me

>>92674028
>Wou need to watch Youtube, NASCAR, The Simpsons, American Idol, and have to be on MySpace to be a true American.

What the fuck were they thinking?

>>92674682
You know that's not what she's saying, Anon. She's articulating it very, very poorly, though.

>>92661194
On the one hand, It would have been absolutely perfect if he'd said myspace. On the other hand, this makes for a far better reaction image.

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>>92674682
Paul Jenkins for some reason went off the rails during Civil War. No idea if he ever recovered.

I can only wonder what he thinks about this, as Sally was allegedly one of his pet characters.

>>92672103

And the new method of power transference in the Marvel universe US becomes blows to the head.

Why not? Makes more sense than letting the typical Marvel citizen vote.

>>92674723

Yeah, but this isn't a case of "real person on the spot probably could have been more eloquent."

This is supposed to be the punctuation on Civil War written, edited and rewritten to perfection, and this was the best everyone involved could come up with.

>>92675272
>Norman came into power by shooting The Skrull Queen in the head
>Cap became Head of SHIELD after hitting Norman in the head with his shield

>>92661045

So wait, is this equating being a member of a particular ideology with being turned into a super-powered mutant by roving far gas?

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>>92661194
Now that's a comeback

>>92660992
So this is something we still haven't seen happen in the comic of this arc, right?

>>92675789
Which thing are you referring to? Either way, everything in that page has already happened.

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>>92675789
If you mean lifting Mjolnir, it was in the Free Comic Book Day issue.

>>92674723
Yeah but that's such an incredibly shallow conception of what America is that I'm not sure how anyone thought it was a sound argument. That only strenghtened Cap's point back then and is just embarrasing to look at now because of how outdated it is.

>>92660952
>>92661178
Couldn't Faustus just use his powers to make her keep her mouth shut?

>>92661178
>>92661194
Well that's just ominous, it won't help if he's trying to make himself look benevolent to the people.

>>92676192
Yes, but where's the fun in that?

>>92676192
Anon, it's reverse psychology. By making it so it was the one thing she couldn't talk about meant that she wouldn't be able to help herself. All part of his trap. A burn 10 years in the making.

Steve Rogers is, if nothing else, a brilliant tactician.

>>92661089
>And you believe your people will tolerate this?
>It will be blamed on the collapse of the previous government

Guys, Gorgon is standing right there.

>>92675951
Damn I must have missed it.

>>92676375
Oh. That makes a lot of sense.

>>92661194
I feel like him saying Myspace would have been better because no one usus it anymore and it could have been commentary on the short shelf life of all the "important" cultural things reporter lady was saying was representative of America

>>92678424
That sounds like it would have worked really well, but I don't think that's the message they're trying to convey.

>>92676759
Gorgon thinks if he keeps quiet, Captain America won't notice he is a mutie.

>>92661059
>dat cap face

>revealed to be a Nazi
>becomes a madman

>>92661194
Is this the best page ever?

>>92662687
>a man who turned 1 million dollars to 1 billion dollars, and beat out the most likeable American political dynasty, and became president of the USA without ever having taken any public office prior
>an idiot

>>92678924
How is Clinton in any way a Kennedy?

>>92667547
Marvel wants to make the Inhumans martyrs/the cavalry to "save" America, as far the return of Black Bolt and Medusa being what saves the day ultimately, against Hydra and allowing the heroes to do whatever it is they do to "fix" Steve.

As for mutants, Steve just wants them out of his hair.

Ironically, they miss a huge fucking point in this issue to just have Steve point blank call out the murder cloud, people being turned into deformed freaks, and people being forced against their will to serve as Medusa and Black Bolt's bitch slaves as justification for putting them in death camps.

>>92678924
>beat out the most likeable American political dynasty

Man, I wish I could score some of what /pol/ is smoking.

Then again, it clearly causes long-term brain damage.

>>92679048
>>92679090
Clinton is considered more likeable nowadays because millenials from Bill's hayday are old enough to vote. But old democrats will definitely tell you it's Kennedy.

>>92675080

He quasi recovered with the Speedball mini he did after Civil War (Marvel rushed it into production to fix what was done to the character, when Ellis turned out to be a lazy fuck and couldn't do a years worth of Thunderbolt comics on time). The Speedball mini took a huge fucking shit all over everyone tat mistreated and scapegoated him and ended with the retcon that the Penance suit was actually meant for Nitro (who was horribly mutilated when Norman found him in Robbie's Penance outfit).

But he also threw a huge fucking shit fit when Slott did his own payback towards Sally in the Initiative and bascially forced Marvel to temporarily ban other writers from writing her/forcing Slott to promise to leave Sally alone in exchange for her being allowed to use her in BND Spider-Man

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>>92661194
I bet you it was myspace, but the editors changed it.

>>92679048
You must be a late 90s baby.

Bill (and Hillary) were basically JFK/Jackie 2.0; they represented a huge fucking generational shift in our world leaders, from old men to young men.

Bill, like JFK, was young and virile (his sex scandals gave him an aura of a big guy who liked to fuck and could get any woman he wanted) and like JFK, hip and "with it" when it came to the younger generation of voters who voted him into the Presidency.

Hillary, while a raging feminazi, was the first First Lady since Jackie who was not someone's grandmother and her "partnership" with Bill mirrored how Jackie and JFK were considered a packaged deal in terms of being joined at the hip. She was, like Jackie, a first lady women could emulate in terms of ambition, if not style.

>>92679153
That's not true. In the 00s there was a good deal of Clinton nostalgia, but that was pretty much dead by 2008.

Hillary banked HEAVILY on the Clinton nostalgia in 2008 but her Iraq war vote in 2003 had basically rendered her radioactive to the left.

It was one of the reasons why Obama was able to rise as fast as he did to be her rival, as Obama presented an alternative to Hillary for those on the left already grumbling about how they were going to have to hold their nose and vote for her. Especially after Edwards crashed and burned like he did in late 2007, as far as removing him from contention.

By the time 2016 arrived, the Clinton nostalgia train was pretty much dead. The rose colored lenses came off and lot of harsh truths had to be dealt with in terms of how bad the 90s were under Clinton. Along with Hillary/Bill's habit of engaging in scandals due to their short sighted egomania and narcissism.

>>92679668
I didn't think of it tat way. But the Clintons were still powerful by 2016, right?

>>92679668
>and without the nostalgia, America decided that if they were going to elect a shortsighted, narcissistic egomaniac, they should go big or go home.

>>92660939
>tfw literally all of the tidbits of American culture that Sally brought up in that conversation are irrelevant now

>>92661194
HAIL

>>92678493
Well it was the message the conveyed whether they wanted to or not.

>>92679719
They are still powerful, but mainly because Hillary was threatening to burn the entire Democrat Party down in 2008/kill Obama in cold blood, if the Clintons were not given ownership of the DNC and allowed to purge the ranks of anyone who was disloyal and basically make the ONLY mission of the DNC, was to make sure Hillary was able to waltz her way to the nomination in 2016. Even if it meant allowing the Republicans to win back control over Congress, in terms of throwing out the 50 state strategy that got Obama a super majority in Congress.

Indeed Obama had to leave Washington, after making a huge stink about staying in the city to run the DNC and fight Trump only to find that the Clintons controlled everything and being forced to flee town in humiliation at the fact that he's going to be reduced to Jimmy Carter pariah status, so long as both Clintons are alive and refusing to abdicate the throne.

Not trying to get any flak from one side or the other, but how long will this event last?

>>92680597
If there's no delays, then end of August. There will probably be some delays though. At least enough to push it to September.

>>92680616
This is going to be the Summer of Pessimism, isn't it?

>>92680616
It won't be as extreme as Secret Wars or CWII since every issue seems like it's going to be from a different artist.

>>92679908
More like Obama was a huge fucking blank slate (literally only been in politics a super short time and didn't have much of a laundry list of bad Senate votes) and the fact that Obama knew how to exploit the Dems desperate need for new blood that didn't preach an anti-life equation of "preserve the status quo, wage war, and don't think you can change the world!".

There was a reason why Obama latched onto the "Hope and Change" meme as his campaign's catch phrase.

>>92678424
WHY DO YOU KEEP POSTING THIS

>>92680616
There won't be delays.

Secret Empire has like 3-5 different artists drawing it. And with recent upcoming issues, they've rearranged who was drawing certain issues (IIRC #3-6) for the purpose of jetisoning the artists that are not meeting their deadlines, in favor of artists that COULD make the deadlines, so the thing comes out on time so they can get it over with.

And given that they greenlighted an extra issue, they are clearly panicking like crazy in terms of fearing that the storyline will end badly and that they won't be able to cash the check they offered when they told everyone "Cap saves the day, he gets redeemed and shit!!!".

>>92660939
I thought Norman Osborn told Sentry to throw her into the sun.

Are you telling me she pissed off the Green Goblin at the peak of his power and lived? Or did that not happen because of the secret wars reboot?

>>92680656
Marvel basically has written off summer sales-wise. Secret Empire might still turn a profit, but it's basically an event that won't have any real life in the TPB/HC market except for people who like shitty stories for ironic value (see Crossing).

>>92679504
This is some facebook tier cringe shit.

>>92681047
So basically, most of their modern comics actually LOSE value over time. Also their is only so many layers of irony before it loses its ironic undertones. At this point, I'll be amazed if Spender can actually have a career after this without this lording over him for the rest of his life.

>>92681082
I think you mean myspace.

>>92681047
So far Secret Empire hasn't been anywhere close to The Crossing tier. Pretty good actually, you get a strong sense of Captain America's personality and the difficulties that such a regime would face, including potential for infighting and other nations.

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>>92674028
>>92674682
>>92675080
>>92679190
Sally was Jenkins mouthpiece.

>>92668241
Chrono Triggered

>>92660917
ALL HAIL

>>92661046

It's so Quake will have her father as the primary antagonist over in Secret Warriors when they storm the place.

It's really nothing more than that.

>>92661226
How is Steve going to sodomize Namor !??

>>92661045
>this fucking blatant comparison to islam
Get the fuck out of here Spencer jesus christ

>>92662753
And Trump proves it works

>>92683061
I mean, it doesn't help that the media has generally been unreliable and shitty for years.
Just because Trump is the one pointing it out, doesn't exactly make it not true.

>>92671141
Doctor Doom would be a better analogy for Drumpf though. Same ego, same narrow-minded will to dominate all life and the belief that only HE can improve the world with his name plastered on everything.

But if the Nazis won, why is Hydra's HQ in America? It should be in Germany.
Also this comic is bad. The whole premise is nonsense. The whole "sure the president didn't know I was evil when he named me emergency leader, but that's his fault for not knowing, i'm totally legitimate guise"
That's like Trump coming out on TV as a Best Korea spy and expecting to stay in power.

>>92684108
>But if the Nazis won, why is Hydra's HQ in America? It should be in Germany.
Because you made the common mistake of assuming that Hydra ad Nazis are the same thing.

>Also this comic is bad. The whole premise is nonsense. The whole "sure the president didn't know I was evil when he named me emergency leader, but that's his fault for not knowing, i'm totally legitimate guise"
It's obviously supposed to be bullshit, but thanks to his soldiers, robots and shit, who's gonna stand up to him?

>>92684250
Is the US Army totally impotent in the Marvel U? You'd think after decades of dealing with a world with superheroes and constant alien invasions they would have bitching tech and gear.

>>92684345
Hydra has better tech and gear, especially since thanks to Steve they had all of SHIELD's resources too.
What's an army gonna do against a Helicarrier with tentacles?

>>92684108

Hydra only sided with Nazi Germany because they thought they would win the war.

Also, Cap isn't a president, he was appointed a dictator so he could have absolute power to fight the threats. You can't impeach him like you would Trump, because that's the gamble you make when you appoint someone a dictator. In Ancient Rome it was actually pretty common to appoint a dictator when there was an enemy at the gate (although that usually didn't work out either, just look at Sulla and Caesar). A dictator wasn't necessarily a bad word until guys like Hitler and Stalin showed up.

>>92661194
Page of the week.

Is Donald Trump the current president in the Marvel universe?

>>92661194
I don't know who this Sally Floyd girl is, nor do i know what's going on in the Marvel universe anymore, but what i do know, is that this was a fucking sick burn

>>92685962
>I don't know who this Sally Floyd girl is
Bitch that said Cap America is shit because he didn't know what Myspace was like most Americans
>>92674028

>>92661207
you know, nazi cap is the best thing that ever happened to marvel, because marel become so ROT, ANNOYING, SELF-RIGHTEOUS that the entire marvel universe deserves to be DESTROYED, and that smug nazi is doing it like a pro. I want him to succeed, and his universe to remain like this, because its not only rewarding to see those hipster liberal cunts getting sent to camps, but its much more interesting to see how cap will deal with future threats.
hail hydra.
fuck marvel.
kill SJW.

>>92686222
HAIL THOSE TRIPS!

>>92682930
He did it in The Oath, too. Inhumans have been his "islam" analogue for a while now. A violent faith that's incompatible with western society.

>>92685070
Yes, but the current president ceded control of the country over to Steve. Presumably, Steve is keeping Trump in a very nice resort jail under careful watch and away from twitter. Probably turned Mar-a-lago into a detainment center or something.

>>92676375
4d chess

>>92679090
Nobody on /pol/ thinks that the Clintons are likable.

>>92686222
imagine being this buttdamaged by people that disagree with you on the internet

imagine he's the bad guy in this story and by liking the story you're only giving marvel what they want

>>92679048
They're both seriously overrated and get free passes for their lies and terrible behavior?

>>92687420
that reminds me of a certain modern age president

jump to the defense of the current president because he's not this guy over here did a bunch of bad shit too but nobody knows about that shit so it's like, worse somehow

>>92685070
Presumably, though I don't think we've seen him on page yet.

President Obama was the one who approved building the space wall.

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>>92661194
I usually come into cap storytimes for the page with the most replies

sheit

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>>92661194
hey, maybe Spencer isn't that bad after all

>>92678924
>the most likeable American political dynasty
Literally what the fuck are you on? The clinton name is almost as toxic as "Obama" to half the country, and even most democrats had to hold their nose when voting her, as evidence by no one turning out to vote in the first place.

Bill Clinton is likeable. His name is not.

>>92674028
Do americans attend Nascar races too often?

>>92662725
>He gets Genosha 3

Isn't Steve basically telling him to keep a low profile while Xorn rules his promised land? From the way he puts it I think he wants him to just stay in madripoor.

>>92661076

I'd expect Mags to be a little more surprised. Even if the flag means nothing to him and he thinks humans change allegiances at the chance of oppressing people, it's still captain freaking America. The guy has saved the world and punched Hydra in the face countless times.

>>92687330
>implying I paid for that issue
you have been bamboozled again, mate