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There was an alternate ending to Samurai Jack!

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOP4fa0tLmo
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>>92618976
This is what I wanted!
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Gayyyyyyyy
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>>92618976
Now it's a Clannad: After Story ending, fuck this shit.
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>>92618976
I unironically wanted something like this.
Jack deserved happiness.
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>>92618976
It's canon now. It's canon in my soul.
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>>92618976
The Jashifag in me says yes
But the decent writer in me says no
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Is this real, or more fanfic faggotry?
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>>92618976
If only.
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Here's the real alternate ending:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euo98i4vuaU
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>>92620247
>1 dislike
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>>92618976
I-I feel a little better...
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>>92618976
You're a dumb nigger, this is done by some deviant art fan fic artist. Don't try to make this ending more tolerable with your lies
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>>92621298
>You're a dumb nigger, this is done by some deviant art fan fic artist.
Oh yes because the pile of cliches, tv tropes entry pages, and anime rip offs is inherently better because its official.

The ending we got was fanfic tier so shtiting on fanfics isn't a defense anymore.
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>>92621353
Listen here faggot. Fanfics are whatever, but did you even see the main topic? I'm assuming you're OP or pretending not to be, but trying to ruse other anons by claiming "there was an alternate ending" is bs.
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>>92621298
Season 5 was excellent except for that ending.

Killing off Ashi at the very end during the wedding scene was completely unnecessary. The creators did that solely for edgy bittersweet bullshit that doesn't even make any sense.

It would have made more sense to end the series at the wedding or killing off Ashi much sooner
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>>92621298
There is most likely going to be some form of an extended ending. Scott Wills released various backgrounds used for Season 5 and we didn't see this one. They most likely cut out some scenes to fit for the TV release. I wouldn't be surprised if the blue-ray DVD had a little more. What is interesting is some fans say they are gonna try to contact Phil LaMarr and Tara Strong voice this (maybe some fans would even animate it)?
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>>92621692
They were originally going for 12 episodes before the network slashed it down to 10, so lots of background art is probably leftover.

There has been a rumor going around about the DVD release having an alternate ending, which I hope to God is true.
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Plot twist: There are 2 extra episodes on the DVD release.
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>>92621692
Glad someone brought this up. Was going to make a thread about it... but this works.

>>92621795
>They were originally going for 12 episodes before the network slashed it down to 10
Source? All throughout this I felt 10 was an unusually small number.
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>>92621923
SOURCE OR DIE, RIGHT NOW
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>>92621923
Shyamalanian Plot Twist: They're filler episodes.
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>>92622033
>more scenes of lovey dubby jack and ashi
YES PLEASE
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>>92618976
This is now my canon.

Now we just need to get some animators and hire the VA's to complete it.
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>>92621574
I like bittersweet endings, but I agree with execution being lackluster. She could've dropped dead from a random heart attack during the wedding and it would've been the same. Her death was introduced too late into the ending, lessening its weight and making it harder to associate it with a consequence of fixing the past.

I wasn't even phased when she keeled over. It just seemed to be such an afterthought it didn't even register with me.
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>>92619244
>>92619692
>>92619719
>>92620701
>>92620987
>t. roasties

i bet you wish Romero & Juliet ended with them finding each other in the after life or Jack finding another piece of debris amongst the many around him to float on as her and Rose waited for rescue

get fucked
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAorIEjwDRE

Better ending
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>>92622194
Knowing Phil LaMarr and Tara Strong, they'd probably do it. Also the community does have some good animators.
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>>92622258
>movie about people on the titanic
>expecting a happy ending

Big fucking difference between that and wanting a happy ending for a show that included episode XCIX
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>>92618976
Best ending right here:

>Jack defeats Aku in a much better fight scene

>He can't get back to the past

>Lives much of the rest of his life as the King Jack vision

>Finally. he knows he will soon be on his deathbed, he only wants to talk to one last person, his parents.

>King Jack approaches the Guardian, who is battered and without his glasses(?)

*Unsheathes Katana*

WACHA
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>>92622298
Z0NE could probably do it easily and judging from pic related, probably would want to.
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>>92618976
Why didn't they do this?
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>>92618976
Nah, this is fanfiction.net tier shit. I'd have preferred an extra scene showing Ashi back in the future, with Aku gone but with his effects still in the world, but with the people that Jack gave hope to working for their better future.

>inb4 time travel doesn't work that way
The ending is already full of paradoxes, this would make it a split timeline. Aku could be a force beyond time and space, whose death would be transcend all timelines. Or some bs like that.
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I feel so satisfied
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>>92622462
Get him in on this shit.
We must summon our strongest allies.
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>>92621795
>12 episodes
I bet the last episode was originally going to be double length. If this is true, goddamn it AS you cucked the ending
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>Oh no Ashi died
>Syke! Deus ex Machina, bitch.
>Ash is fine

Yeah I'm glad they chose the ending they did. There is no reason to kill a character and resurrect her immediately afterward. Either kill her or don't.
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>>92618976
This is exactly what should've happened
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>>92622627
There was no reason to kill her in the first place. The show was fucking over, that was a last minute fuck you hammered in.
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>>92622627
more like
>deus ex machina
>deus ex machina
>deus ex machina(literally)
>deus ex machina(Literally again)
>celtic magic ex machina
>"Oh no ashi called got put in time out"
>........
>this isn't a show where you can just deus ex machina out of everything, cmon give us a little credit.
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>>92622535
>>92622535
seconded, somebody drop them a line
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>>92622462
Someone get Zone to animate this, then we could have some get Tara and Phil to voice the lines (maybe the Gods, but that depends).
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>>92622807
Zone might be streaming tonight, someone should broach the topic.
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>>92622832
God's voices could easily be done by anon's with a good mic, the voice actors are intentionally doing pretty generic holy voices.
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>>92618976
Fake and gay.
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>Ashi disappears the moment Aku is slain
>She fades away in Jack's arms
>replace her shitty last line with something more meaningful
>wedding scene is replaced scenes of a forlorn Jack returning home
>cue alt ending

It just may have salvaged what was left of this series
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Another ending some fan made. A much happier scene with the wedding.
https://streamable.com/3jsad

I'm really glad to see so many people creating much happier and much more fitting endings.
It gives me hope we may see some kind of semi-official revisit of the events of the finale. If not then at least the fans look after themselves.
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>>92623088
there are rumors the DVD release has an alt ending
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Maybe they could be a different ashi that was based on his future adventures, and she could appear her in his past during the end.
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Someone forward this video to Phil, Tara, and Zone. The fans can at least attempt to create an alternate ending that is more satisfying.
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>>92623177
>/co/
>"""rumors"""
probably nothing more than that
but if season 5 has taught me anything, it's to always have hope
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>>92623232
If season 5 has taught me anything, it's that if you can find a way to see hope where there is none, you can have the honor of gettting wiped from time.
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>>92623177
I wish but I doubt it and even if it did I'm not sure it would change very much overall.
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>>92623088
>I'm really glad to see so many people creating much happier and much more fitting endings.
Was this Genndy's plan all along? To make the ending in such a way that guaranteed a huge outpouring of fanwork to "fix" it so people would keep talking about it?
Madman.
I don't mind, though, I love seeing all the nice things people are coming up with
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>>92623919
I agree. The one thing about a poor ending is there will be fans who share their ideas and projects.
There's already numerous fics, images, and comic strips. I get that an author cannot satisfy everyone and should not be expected to compromise their own vision, but I also get that fans have their own wishes (as individuals and sometimes as a group).
The ending doesn't cancel out the good parts of the show, it just means some people wish to leave the book open to write their own epilogue.
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>>92623298
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>>92622212
This guy gets it
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>>92622212
The pacing issues were too much, in the end. Genndy tried to get away with everything despite only having ten episodes to do it in and we ended up worse off for it. Him and the guys signing the checks both failed. God damn shame.
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>>92618976
Just when I thought it couldn't get worse ... why does every story need to strong arm in a love story?
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>>92624863
Why does every story try to strong arm a "bittersweet" ending that forsakes logic and continuity?
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>>92624824
>>92622212
It just didn't feel deserved, especially when they establish and take advantage of figurative and literal deus ex machina many times in the original and new series.
If you want to do a bittersweet ending, it needs to be written in a way that makes viewers feel like that was the only way it could end. people will(and are) refuse to accept it otherwise.
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That's dumb. There's no point in killing her in the first place if you're going to bring her back literally five minutes later.

If you want to have your cake and eat it too that badly, Jack should've just ascended to godhood and used his new celestial powers to rewrite reality to reap the effect while destroying the cause. So not only does Ashi live but so does everyone else in the future. However ascending to godhood makes it so Jack must permanently reside in the celestial realm so he can't be with his family, his friends or his lover.

Though best ending would've probably been he doesn't get back to the past. Aku is killed and he resigns that what was done cannot be undone but there is atleast hope for the future and he and all his allies set off to rebuild a Post-Aku world.
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>>92626195
>there is no point in killing her in the first place
That is what people are upset about, we don't think the best ending would be bringing her back, it's just people salvaging what we got
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>>92619765
It's a fan's proposed alternative.
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>>92626280
But you're just makin' it worse.
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>>92621795
>There has been a rumor going around about the DVD release having an alternate ending, which I hope to God is true.

Where are you getting that rumor?
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>>92626195
>That's dumb. There's no point in killing her in the first place if you're going to bring her back literally five minutes later.

Well, unless you wanna cut off people who would bitch about the grandfather paradox by going "no, the gods intervened and made a special exception."

On a related note, imagine how annoyed all the guests are gonna be when they get the SECOND invitation.
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>>92626423
They can't be too annoyed. It's not like it was Ashi or Jack having second thoughts and running away.
If anything they would be even happier once they were sure Ashi was sticking around.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAorIEjwDRE&feature=youtu.be
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>>92626326
Idk, my personal opinion before the finale was as long as 3 conditions are satisfied when the credits roll
>Aku is dead
>Jack AND Ashi are alive
>Jack AND Ashi are a happy couple
I literally wouldn't care what else happened in the episode, whether or not they went to the past, whether it got deus ex machina'd, whether some cheesy power of love shit happened, everything else was secondary to me at that point.
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>>92618976
why would the official alternate ending used a mirrored video on the lead up? fake and gay
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>>92618976
I like the basic idea of the gods making an exception to guarantee the happiness of two heroes, and I REALLY like the visual of them standing together overlooking the valley, but the boards between need work and kinda just meander between 'lol nude joke' and 'this is home.'

Presumably Ashi has already seen unspoiled wilds, she's been in the past for a bit.
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>Ashifags

LOL
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>>92626541
swooce the fuck outta here
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>>92623088
I legit started tearing up during the little montage of Jack and Ashi and I felt absolutely nothing from the actual ending. Just confusion

fucking hell Genndy. Ya blew it.
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>>92622258
Who hurt you so bad, anon?
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>>92622258
>that pic
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>>92626577
>tfw terrified of ashi getting LAGANNED.com
>aku dies, tense up in preperation
>she collapses
>"I'm okay, I felt him leave me"
>Immediately drop my guard
>let myself relax and enjoy the imagery and happiness
>start tearing up because it's all i could have hoped for
>she frowns
>actually start screaming "GOD FUCKING DAMMIT"
I drank enough shitty rum that night to give myself my first hangover.
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>>92618976
The best thing about the ending we got is that shipperfags are eternally BTFO!

You tumblr virgins can go ahead and keep creating fanfiction though. I'll stay for the porn.
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>>92626665
It took a day for the sorrow to kick in full force for me for some reason.
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YOU TOLD ME THEY WOULD BE OKAY MIRAPOSTER
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>>92626786
I - I thought they would.

In my defense, my plans don't seem to work out...
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>>92626665
>my first hangover
Your emotions are wrong and you are a sad little person.
>>92626704
>sorrow
Please don't rape language anymore.
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>>92618976
Absolute gayest
Also its canon SJ gods are cunts
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>>92626814
>NO REFUNDS
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>>92618976
Is this real or fan made
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Honestly after how long he had to deal with Aku without help from the gods who fucking specifically gave his father and him the duty of defeating Aku I'm kind of mad they didn't reward Jack for his efforts, the dude went through more than enough suffering to warrant it.
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>>92626839
It's a fan thing.
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>>92626665

That's my biggest beef with the ending. Okay so Ashi has to disappear because Aku's dead. Absolutely, go for it. Why would you not have Ashi start fading away minutes after Aku is dead?

Why would you have it wait so long (it probably took years to set up the wedding) just to have Ashi keel over and -poof- in seconds right before the wedding? It felt so out of place and that it was only there to force a gut-wrench ending
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>Half of /co/ catalog are aku or samurai generals since Sunday

Nobody give a shit about SJ; your are more toxic that ponies.
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>>92626839
The fact that this question can even be asked about a deus ex machina wish-fulfillment ending should hint Genndy towards how uncool his ending was
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>>92626665
I know how you feel. Didn't drink anything but I'm with you on the fake out, relief, and then "surprise". It's stupid.
I'm really glad I found that montage video. It's awesome.

>>92626864
>so Ashi has to disappear because Aku's dead
This itself creates problems because no Ashi means no Jack getting to the past.
It's a self-defeating paradox. Let Ashi live, let her be happy, let Jack be happy. Nothing wrong or weak or wrong about that kind of ending.
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>>92621795
>>92621692
Anyone got any data, or are you two taking us for a ruse cruise?
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>>92618976
Whatever works.
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>>92627037
holy shit this is amazing
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>>92626944
>nothing wrong or weak about that ending
Especially because people can easily accept plot contrivances if it leads to a desirable ending.
If a bitter ending feels avoidable, people will be butthurt forever
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>>92627037
why cant tumblr ever get rick right?
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>>92626984
>Anyone got any data, or are you two taking us for a ruse cruise?
Well, the image of the unused (and/or cut) background is legit: http://animationbgs.blogspot.com/
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>>92618976
>http://nightdreams16.deviantart.com/

y'all know its fake right.
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>>92627149
Doesn't really matter since it's better than the 'real' ending.
I'd love to see one of these fan scripts get animated and dubbed.
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>>92618976
Just kill me.
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>>92626704
When does the sorrow stop?
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>>92627416
Same.
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>>92618976
Than she's transforming into Aku.
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>>92618976
Honestly, I thought Genndy was going to Ronin us at the last minute.
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The problem with the ending is that people knew about the paradox offered the second Jack wanted to timetravel. Jack never considered the paradox and Ashi had to use her dying words to explain it to him.

Ashi dying is not the problem. The problem is the paradox everyone saw coming, except Jack. The logic of the ending is correct, so don't try to fix it by fucking it up.
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>>92628864
>ashi dying is not the problem
that is absolutely my problem with the ending.
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>>92627149
>First to point out if divine beings like Cronos can control space time and grant Jack and the Emperor miracles they could easily intervene in the sticky
>"Decided to make my own"
Lying piece of shit
I'm the only one holding it down here and I don't even get any credit.
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>>92628644
what did he mean by this
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>>92628952
People feeling similar emotions in response to watching the same thing can independently form the same idea.
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>>92618976
In all seriousness ness, I think this ending could have worked if Ashi had disappeared just a few moments after they vanquished Aku; remove the wedding entirely and just have a montage of Jack helping his family rebuild Japan with the help of his old teachers doing his best to mask his pain before riding off to the forest to brood after all the repairs are done.

Then this ending kicks in with the ladybug and the eye opening and closing.
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>>92628950
As is mine. From an emotional and from a logical standpoint.
Without Ashi you cannot have Jack being sent back in time. Ashi's erasure creates a paradox in itself.
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>tfw you hate ashi but want jack to be happy
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It's finally over, the show that I loved the most as a kid.

It's finally over
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>>92629067
The only thing I can think of that exempted Jack would be time fuckery that overwrites Jack moving forward.

>Jack gets sent into the future by Aku
>Aku dies in the past
>Jack is in an Aku-less future
>Jack looks for a time portal to bring him back
>It brings him back to the point that Ashi did

That said, all of this banks on the notion that time would be like it is in Legends of Tomorrow where it needs time to become concrete.
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>>92629067
I thought that was time catching up to Ashi. If Aku is slain before Ashi is created, (and the priestess probably didn't exist anymore, the right person 1 not marrying person 2), then it would be necessary for Time to hit the button on Ashi before she can get married- which is a big warning sign that she's about to have her wedding night, and Time can't have Ashi continue to exist- to have more children.
So Ashi's path of lineage was wiped out, and the moment it looked like she was getting hitched, Time has to scramble to give her the whammy before Jack can give her seven samurai daughters.
Casualties: Aku, the Aku-ruled entire timeline, Ashi, and Ashi's possible timeline of her semi-demonic samurai seven-tuplets children.
Top that, Murdercock Greg Universe.
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>>92629132
It been over for 15 years aleady, kid.
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>>92629034
Similar to my idea. Have her fade the moment Aku is destroyed, have them embrace, kiss, and say their tearful farewells. Remove the unnecessary dramatic wedding and the ending isn't all that bad.
Only my replacement for that is a glimpse on how the future without Aku's rule turned out.
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>>92629176
At most I think she should have lost any powers she had and just been a normal girl.
Her mother would still exist and she would have a human father.
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>tfw my 9 year old brother (who has previously watched most of the episodes thanks to me) said he felt empty when Ashi died and teared up a little, even though he hates cheesy romance stuff at his age

Make it stop
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>>92618976
Would have been better if it ended right after you hear Ashi whisper Jack
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>>92622212
This hit the nail on the head. The story's pacing and distribution of setpieces just ruins whatever impact they had hoped to achieve.

>all these people talking about making their own ending
So, the people are usurping Jack from Genndy after all?
don't get me wrong, my ideal ending would be to roll credits after wedding starts (which one anon achieved, with a lovely montage of Jack and Ashi to go with it at the end) but this? I'm not sue this is strong or good enough.
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>>92629348
But the scenery is the best closing.
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>>92618976
>I'm naked you know
>Is that your sword?
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>>92629348
It's sad they didn't even fuck, I mean Ashi was thirsty for the D
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>>92629355
This is the video btw >>92623088
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>>92618976
>waifu ending

Ew, faggot. I'm fine with him separating from her. Just do it better than "Oh, wait, I'm suddenly dropping dead on our wedding day."
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>>92629481
>Jack finds a way to save her
>They are so happy to see each other
>That night is 100% Smashy Ashi
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>>92629481
Unless Jack was a don't fuck before marriage guy. I'm sure they did during the time span between Aku dying and their wedding. And judging by the shapes of Jack's parents and kingdom. It was months.
>>92629511
Exactly, that scene was a mistake.
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>>92623298
This is the real moral of the season.
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Jack's journey has always been one of self-sacrifice. The loss of Ashi represented the loss of everything good that he had come across in the dark future - the greatest thing Jack ever had to sacrifice. Bringing her back would betray the nature of the story.
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>>92629544
Jack is a honorable guy, so it is possible.
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>>92618976
It better be on the fucking boxset
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>>92623088
Getting reminded of the time they had just makes me so damn sad, and then angry that it was ripped away from them, her especially, because Jack has the chance to find new happiness.
Ashi is just gone..
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>>92618976
>mfw my waifu is near me naked
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>>92623232
>if season 5 has taught me anything
Its that Genndy should stick to action sequences and leave the plot to people with emotions and talent

only a true sperg lacking compassion could write such a bad ending for Jack
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In all seriousness, that lady back and what follows afterward really makes the ending for me. The track is really beautiful too. If not for any of that, I'd completely despise it.
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>>92629638
*Ladybug
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Even if Ashi is resurrected through another deus ex machina, we're still stuck with pretty much all the people who ever existed since Jack went through the portal being wiped out from existence. How many generations does that represent?
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>>92629564
Except circumstances of the story, timing, plot itself and the way it has been presented don't support that.
You cannot make a point while basing it on something that does not support it. That is stupid and you know it.
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>>92629682
AS long as Jack gets his waifu im good
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>>92629697
I bet you saved that cunt in Life is Strange too.
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>>92629682
due to cartoon logic, there is a chance that they could still be born from similar lineage, just under different circumstances. Ashi however is almost certainly unable to have that luxury, and would need deus ex machina to exist
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>>92618976
>this entire thread
>/co/'s general reaction to the finale

https://youtu.be/-TyWPQh4LGo?t=252
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>>92629803
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CG-N5HfD2k
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>>92629899
This one is way more accurate.
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>>92618976
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-2uxdkn1Js
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>Implying this shouldn't have been the ending
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fUJ6LehQ3I
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>>92618976
A nice fan vid.
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>>92627037
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>>92627126
They glance over the fact that he's a generally selfish and murderous person who killed an entire universe to save his own skin and expressed surprise that his horrific treatment of his friends caused one of them to betray him to the government.
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>>92628339
Well, I'll let you know when it stops, but it does gradually get better.
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>>92629899
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>Aku's face when he's still the Shogun of Sorrow even in death.
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>>92619632
>Hating the best anime ever created
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>>92629538
>Son doesn't come home one night
>Send out retainers in a rescue party
>Near the edge of the kingdom, find him and his disappeared fiancee sleeping nude and exhausted under a tree
>getting too old for this shit
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>>92629598
I mean, her soul should endure. Aku doesn't create souls, neither does being born. She just never got born now. Dunno if that gets you stripped of your experiences and memories, though.
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>>92621795
>>92621692
>missing 2 episodes
>that's why Ep 10 looks so fucking rushed
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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>>92621574
>Samurai Jack
>edgy
I don't think you have the faintest idea of what that word means.
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>>92630548
I mean, I can believe it, but where are proofs
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>>92626195
>Though best ending would've probably been he doesn't get back to the past. Aku is killed and he resigns that what was done cannot be undone but there is atleast hope for the future and he and all his allies set off to rebuild a Post-Aku world.

This is the ending I was hoping for.
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You boys are the best. Its the first time i have to resort to hea canon, it heals my soul
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>>92618976
>Sorario days (unused version) - samurai jack
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>>92622258
Jack was a light-hearted series and it ended on a sad note. It didn't fit at all.
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>not this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAorIEjwDRE
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>>92621574
>>92622212
I think it could have been better if Jack had to kill Ashi or if he couldn't go back to the past and had to accept that his old life was in the past and that time is over now.

Dunno why they had to go with she ded the end.
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The whole series was a bit meh
I didn't really like the ending, jack got screwed and non of the things he did happened, like the scotsman never existed and he never met him

I want the jack king of the future ending
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>>92618976
It could have worked.

The ending was a like a less hardcore heart-crushing Gurren Lagann.
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I'm always half expecting the ladybug to have Aku's face.
FOOOOLSIH SAAAMURAI
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>>92629960
>G-Gundam
my nigga
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>>92630530
10/10 pure kino
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>>92630530
I like the way this is going, this has potential
(Jack is decent though, he wouldn't jump her bones there and then... would he?)
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>>92622444
>now that I'm dying in going to to erase this timeline from existence

Wacha indeed.
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>>92623298
If you fight and suffer alongside the main hero, just remember that he gets the happy ending and you don't.
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This needs to be to the sent to the creators of Samurai Jack immediately, this will make a perfect ending. It is the only way I will buy the complete season 5.
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>>92629132
Yes it is finally over and in the end nothing really fucking mattered. Great job everyone! Nobody gives a shit!
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>>92627037
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>>92627037
top kek

I like it
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>>92618976
glad this wasn't the ending

what a baby tier shit
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>>92619692
he would've easily found it, he literally just met ashi for what was 1 week? lmao
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>>92626786
>>92626807
as I remember it the last boris mira interaction was she better die/she will
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>>92626944
>Let Ashi live, let her be happy, let Jack be happy. Nothing wrong or weak or wrong about that kind of ending.
he said this, unironically, believing it to be true
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According to the rules of the Cartoon Network canon, all of the shows exist in the same universe. This applies to Jack who has been seen doing his laundry with Johnny Bravo and Blossom from PPG, and even showing up in the audience of the Uncle Grandpa / Steven Universe crossover.

Couple that with the fact that Rick and Morty is allowed to cross over with whatever the hell they want (even Gravity Falls or The Simpsons) and you've got THIS plausible ending.

Which I will be accepting from here on out.
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>>92632346
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>>92632355
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>>92632312
Might have been a different one. I had a 'she better survive - she will' one with this Boris.

I really was certain, too.
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>>92632366
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>>92627037
Okay now this is funny.
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>>92622258
Is it really that bad to want a happy ending?

It was shit when Gurren Lagann did it, and it was shit here.
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>>92631941
He might. These two have a record of getting swept up in the mood, and this was a way worse scenario for both than the last one. Probably be a mutual bone jumping.
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>Jack's last words on Aku are to comfort Ashi, hugging her and telling her that he will never hurt anyone again

>And from beyond the grave, he strikes a remarkably cruel blow

ENJOY THE PAST, JACK. ALONE.
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>>92623040
I 100% concur anon, I thought the same thing myself.
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>>92632419
>It was shit when Gurren Lagann did it
They established that Nia was an anti spiral entity from the beginning of the arc. How could you have not seen this coming?
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>>92632426
>>92631880
>>92631941

>wedding day 2, thus time featuring marriage
>Ashi walking down isle
>walking
>damn this is a long isle
>everyone visibly tense
>Jack decides fuck it, runs to meet her halfway
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>>92631238
This. The ending just feels...bizarre and out of character for the stories Genndy told with Jack. It doesn't feel like it continues from the arc of the story, even, especially not from a guy who has expressed some contempt for grimness for the sake of it.
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>>92618976
nice, but the wedding should go after this.
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>>92632992
Disagree. The two of them together staring out over a land restored is a powerful visual, probably the best part of this.

I'd throw in some stills in the credits of the future peoples living happier lives. Rub a minute or two longer to make it work, let the network figure it out.
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>>92633033
the stills could be of the wedding
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>>92618976
I can already see shitloads of /co/ntrarians complaining how it's an asspul to have Ashi die and then come back a minute later. And this time, they would be 100% right.
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>>92618976
So, more fanfic?
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>>92633067
Why not both?

>>92633069
It would be, but at least an internally consistent one justified by a desire to avoid the grandfather paradox without erasing the deuteragonist.
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>>92633157
Yeah, this isn't from the creators.
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>>92633069
Yeah, it's an asspull. That being said, it seems right that the gods give him a little something for taking out their trash.
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>>92632903
>bizarre and out of character for the stories Genndy told with Jack.
Because he totally didn't sacrifice a fuck ton of things over the course of the series.
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>>92633566
Jack only every sacrifices opportunities. The only ep I can think of that was Genndy's baby and ended this sadly was Tale of X-49, but that was a conceit of the nor genre it was homaging and the entire plot is built around the beauty of futile love.
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>we will never see the son of Jack the way we got to see the son of the Emperor
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>>92632561
Nia could be sterile, being only a spawn of the hive. Dying makes no sense. not saying the logic applies to SJ tho,
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>>92634600
It felt mean for the sake of being mean.
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>>92623298
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>>92623298
>when Aku gets the last laugh against the two people who destroyed him
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>>92633167
>without erasing the deuteragonist
Finally someone says it. She wasn't just some side character that Jack met and hooked up with, she was literally the other character who was the focus of this season. She had as much if not plenty more character development than jack ever has had, and it fucking stings that the just gets erased for all her effort.
And now most people are only saying she should have lived because "Jack deserved her"(which I do agree with), but this season wasn't just about Jack, it was her story equally. Jacks story might have ended bittersweetlly, but Ashi's was just straight up a downer from start to finish, and her ending really makes alot of things feel even more pointless
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http://www.strawpoll.me/13027207/
....
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>>92626883
Not really. It just shows people are stupid as shit. Seriously how could you believe that was a legitimate alternative ending?
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Bumperino
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>>92636065
They deserved EACH OTHER, and happiness in general. It's shit that Aku got the last laugh on two characters who suffered immensely, fought heroically, sacrificed selflessly, and loved each other with that newborn first love feeling, elevated by a mutual and considerable understanding of who the other was.

The Scotsman was Jack's oldest friend, but Ashi understood Jack's plight in a personal way no one else did, and vice-versa.
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>>92637899
CI can go fuck itself.
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>>92638169
I will give it the future battle, which was amazing, and the final scene of the series was beautiful, but it would have been better with them side by side.
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>>92636065
>>92637899
This. It was no longer Jack's story, but both of theirs. Ashi got an absolute shit deal.
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>>92621692
Yes, I'm sure two famous voice actors will voice your Tumblr fanfic ending because they don't have respect for themselves of their own careers and it's no like they could get sued over it and they couldn't possibly give less of a fuck about you
Did someone really poison the water supply? How did everyone get so stupid over night?
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this is the canon ending for me
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>>92638367
You clearly do not know Tara Strong
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>>92638367
Tara Strong and Phil Lamarr actually seem to enjoy engaging with their fans and their fan creations, but I'm certain you're correct that this would be a legal grey area even if the storyboarding was good, which it isn't (besides the last board).
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You're tuning into my next show, right?
I mean you all enjoyed CI? Of course you did, it's my magnum opus.
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>>92638468
How would it be a legal grey area?
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>>92638586
I rember something with mike pollock not being allowed to do is eggman voice outside of recordings. Likeness?
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>>92638605
I imagine that's largely because SEGA is pants-on-head retarded about brand identity, specifically Sonic. See: Archie Comics mandates.
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>>92638586
Well, the characters and their voices are probably property, and a lawyer might argue that the official VAs covering fanfiction were lending false legitimacy to a product that the creator did not endorse.

I mean, a lot depends on who is involved and how litigious they are.

>>92638536
I unironically probably will, but damn man, disembowel me and leave me to die, why don't you? Especially with how good the rest of the season was, barring a couple of bumps here and there.
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>>92618976
That's stupid. Better idea: Ashi already addresses that she couldn't logically exist with Aku dead. Oh shit, well then let's make the most of what time we have left because you could vanish at any moment. Vanish after the wedding. Ladybug scene. Stills of future people living happy lives during end credits. Last still depicts descendant of Jack meeting girl who looks shockingly similar to Ashi.
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>>92638536
His next show will probably suck and be full of cliches and it isn't complete without "muh bittersweet ending".
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>>92638716
If they follow Buddist theory, perhaps Ashi was a reincarnation of some girl in Japan, and Jack could meet the original version of Ashi.
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Change Ashi for the Scotsman. Also comic sans
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>>92618976
This just makes me even sadder.
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>>92626351
>Where are you getting that rumor?

His ass
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>>92639254
I figured as much, but thought 'but one can hope.'
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>>92618976
Who's the grill?
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>>92639386
In that storboard? Ashi, dude.
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>>92639523
Oh. Damn, she was really unmemorable
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>>92638751
fuck off hippy

Her cruel upbringing and suffering is what made her and Jack kindred spirits
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GUYS GUYS

WHAT IF

HEAR ME OUT HERE

WHAT

OKAY

WHAT IF

They pull a Super Mario Brothers movie ending, where the ending stays the same, but as that last camera shot pans out with jack standing under the tree alone, a portal suddenly pops open behind jack and a slightly older Ashi jumps out, grabs jack and says "WE HAVE TO GO. NO TIME TO EXPLAIN." and right as she pulls him through the portal we get the SCHWACHA!! end screen from all the other Samurai jack episodes.
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>>92639718
Yeah, meeting again in another life or the afterlife is one thing, but 'here's your lover but a different person' replacement goldfish shit sucks balls.
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>>92638751
>reincarnation
>in a show that has people in the afterlife appearing as they were in life
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>>92638536
Considering how my emotions were cruelly manipulated in CI I don't think I can trust genndy again.
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>>92640171
Phil LaMarr did like this tweet pointing out Ashi was reincarnated as a ladybug.
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>>92641768
You fucking idiot.
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>>92641768
>ending apologists are real
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Can you imagine how awkward it must've been for Phil and Tara to keep a straight face with all the fanart pouring in, with so much of it being marriage or even child-related, especially after 8?
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>>92618976
who wrote this garbage
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>>92642335
They kept a straight face.
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>>92641768

I swore this was talking about Miraculous Ladybug being the reincarnation of Ashi and my brain just kind of melted for a second.
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>>92627037
This is fucking terrible. Did someone at Gearbox write this?
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>>92642335
awkward? It must've been mouthwatering in anticipation for the fan reaction towards 9 and 10
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>>92641768
How could she be reincarnated? She didn't die, she was erased.
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>>92642702
They don't strike me as sadistic enough for that.
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>>92642797
Tara is.
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>>92642757
Ashi's soul predates her birth, prolly.
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>>92642335
They're professionals Anon. How much horrifying fanart was made of Tara's last big role?
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>Character disperses from reality ala time paradox
>Just to come back 2 mins later
For what purpose thank god this got "scrapped"
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>>92642881
I can't speak to Tara, but Phil seems to find bizarre fanart hilarious.

I was speaking more to the phenomenon of people gushing over how good the match was and how they'd be together forever and have a ton of kids and such.
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>>92618976
>pulling a literal Deus Ex Machina just to please the audiences wish fulfillment

Fuck that.
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>No Old Boy Ending
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>>92627037
>Meh.
Fucking autistic pottery
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>>92642623
The writing for Rick in that comic is pretty spot on. Rick and Morty just has a really unappealing style of humor.
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>>92642976
And why is it wrong for the ending when it's been used constantly through the original show and new season?
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>>92642976
A literal deus ex machina powers two fan favorites, The Birth of Evil and Jack vs. The Ultrabots. Heck, a deus ex machina is what resolves Jack vs. the Minions of Set, too.
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>>92643386
>scotsman revived by celtic magic ex machina
>Jack regains the sword through Deus ex machina
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You know, considering the last woman Jack eye-fucked, it's no surprise he had a thing for Ashi's "I got them from my mom" hips.
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>>92643433
Deus ex machinas are a regular thing in Jack, because they're a part of the style of story Jack emulates.
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>>92630517
>I have literally watched less than 20 series
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>>92618976
No, this is fucking boring


the original ending would be great if only they had taken the time to defeat future aku

in other word all i want to see is jack defeating future aku and then celebrating with all of his friends before going back in time to defeat past aku
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>>92618976
That was the faggiest goddamn thing I've ever seen.
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>>92619780
beautiful
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>>92643450
I agree with that, it's a big part of why I'm salty that at the end suddenly the Deus decided not to machina Ashi back into existence.
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>>92632419
Technically speaking in Japanese stories (which Jack is greatly inspired by) having the main character lose someone and accept it like Jack did is considered a happy ending.
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>>92634712
???
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>>92643848
But we are not in Japan, are we?
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>>92643832
It's honestly pretty fucking stingy of those gods, too. Even the Emperor got a less raw deal. You'd think they'd be more appreciative to a pair of human heroes who suffered and sacrificed immensely to bring an end to the last remnant of an old enemy.

>>92643848
With the caveat that you'll be reunited in death.
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>>92644003
>>92644003
>With the caveat that you'll be reunited in death.
Which is what the ladybug was for. The ending is really super Japanese.
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>>92644172
People didn't seem to pick up on the shinigami either, or the fact that the seppuku ceremony waited for Ashi because seppuku is supposed to have witnesses (which is also why those ancestor ghosts are there).

The thing is, these kind of references do not work as well without the proper cultural context. And, I mean, Genndy DID need to resolve the fate of the future folk and how it affected Jack emotionally.
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>>92622258
back to /r9k/ loser
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>>92643438
He has taste then
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>>92644364
Jack definitely has a type. Dark hair, nice hips, tough with a sharp tongue.
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>>92643848
Ashi isn't just "someone" she is the other main character.
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>>92644499
It wouldn't be effective if she wasn't.
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>>92644499
Which makes it even more effective.
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>>92618976
>ashi collapses and starts fading away at the wedding
>jack runs up to her
>Without Aku, I would have never existed
>she starts fading away
>Jack whips out his cock and balls
>"ASHI! YOU HAVE TO LICK MY BALLS ASHI! QUICK ASHI!"
>she starts licking his balls
>"YOU HAVE TO JACK ME OFF TOO! QUICK ASHI!"
>she starts jacking him off
>the fading stops
>You did it jack! I'm not fading!"
>"we did it Ashi."
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>>92644419
And at least partially Aku
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>>92644612
Josephine wasn't partially Aku, but she DID have green-black-red...

Jack, is there something you want to tell us? It's okay, we won't think less of you.
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>>92621795
>Adult Swim pulled a Moral Orel again
Those fuckers
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtU484GuoB8

>people try to make this point
I think the point is that Jashi has no chemistry. Not because it's straight.
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>miss the episode airing because work
>lots of hype around some big emotional gut punch
>finally watch it today
>It's literally just TTGL
>mfw

How did anyone not see this coming the moment they went through the portal?
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>>92622444
>Jack defeats Aku in a much better fight scene
>he decides not to leave his friends behind
>time skips forward and it shows that Aku's influence is being stripped from the world, his bounty hunters are being forced out, and people are rebuilding
>King Jack, alongside Ashi, sets out on one last journey
>he approaches the Guardian's portal
>he challenges him to one last battle
>this time the roles are reversed, with the guardian getting forced back
>jack disarms him of his weapon and forces him against a wall
>"I have earned the right to use this portal"
>"that you have, Samurai Jack"
>he approaches the portal
>Ashi asks if he's really going to go back and leave her, and all of his friends, here in the future"
>"No, but there is something I want to show you"
>he touches the portal causing it to ripple and show an image of the world as it was before Aku
>Ashi sees the beauty of the world before Aku destroyed and corrupted it
>"one day, we will rebuild it. We will rebuild our world to how it was before"
>Ashi looks at him
>"we'll rebuild it together"
>they begin to walk away
>the guardian looks at him
>"the portal will always be here Jack. We'll be waiting for you"
>"One day old friend, I'll go back. Back to the past"
>end credits
I actually wouldn't want this ending because it's pandering too much, but I still like the idea of it
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>>92644774
>im-fucking-plying

>>92644824
My theory was that Ashi might be able to create portals, and if she did, there was a 50/50 chance she would die. I thought we were probably in the clear until we got to the wedding walk, and a few seconds in I knew what was coming.
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>>92644516
>>92644542
I don't feel like it's good form to send off your deuteragonist with a short expository statement as her last words. Especially after having her earlier acknowledge that she feels ok and noticeably different now that Aku is gone.
And I'll agree it was "effective", but only at pissing me the fuck off.
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>fanmade
Disregarded
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>>92618976
nah
He's meant to be alone. It was his series.
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AAWWWWWWW

They should've used this ending!
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>>92645018
Half the season was hers.
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>>92618976
Anything is already better than what we actually got
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>>92644973
>I don't feel like it's good form to send off your deuteragonist with a short expository statement as her last words

I agree.

Frankly, I don't think killing her off was a good idea at all, and if this was done in emulation, it was poorly-decided.
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>>92645067
But it was his series.
The wedding was the ending of 5. The tree scene was the ending of Jack.
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>>92645190
Then he shouldn't have included her if he didn't want to give her a proper ending.
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>>92645221
Whole damn season was built around how Jack's lone wanderer schtick wasn't healthy, and how having a person who cared about him and understood him and who he also understood and cared about rallied him back onto the path.

Comics did this too, with Jack realizing he needed to stop being a samurai and become a king.
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>>92645221
>Then he shouldn't have included her
Exactly.
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>>92645330
I agree with that, which is why I hate that after she helps him through that character development, she goes through just about the worst "death" imaginable on her fucking wedding day, and people say
>well Jack is supposed to be alone, it makes sense!
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>>92645551
We have literally NEVER seen Jack as happy as he was with Ashi. Should be a big fucking hint that Jack is not a man who really enjoys or profits from solitude. This is the conclusion of the series, him coming out of the long dark by mutually helping someone who was a lot like him in a dark mirror was kinda beautiful.
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>>92645615
Anon, I...
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>>92645615
Again, I agree with your sentiment completely, I loved her character on her own, and I loved the influences she and Jack had on each other even more.
I am just extremely cross that the decision was made to kill Ashi for what seems like the sake of last second drama.
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>>92645551
She only could die if Jack goes to the past, anon. Granted her death could have been pulled off better, but jack alone is the more fitting final shot.
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Who did Genndy think he was fooling? He purposely wanted to make a bittersweet ending or make people cry just because he never did an ending like it before. What a hack.
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>>92645709
So wasting an interesting character and shafting her final moments is okay because the final shot is fitting?
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>>92645684
So we're agreed, the conclusion is 'DELET THIS.'
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>>92645910
I'm just saying she had to die. Her death was stupid but that's a writing and time constraints.
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>>92645940
What is "this" to you?
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>>92619780
Suicide Jack is the best thing to come out of S5
right up there with Scaramouche
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>>92646007
Bullshit deuteragonist deaths outta nowhere and unresolved fates of friends.
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>>92646106
Told you he needed me. I get no respect around here.
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>>92645988
She absolutely did not "have" to die by narrative standards.
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>>92646239
But it's better that way.
She was never an interesting character btw.
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>>92646280
Now you're just shitposting.
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>>92646106
wat now that samurai jack is over. will we get more
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>>92646280
But she could've been an uninteresting character that didn't ruin the series with an over convoluted rushed ending.
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>>92642757
Magic.
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>>92646348
Sadly, no. A small part of me is hoping we'll get some sort of official extra content in the future.

I wish is that this final season was 13 episodes long, just like the original 4 seasons.
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>>92621795
>12 episodes before the network slashed it down to 10

Post yfw Jack gets cucked even metaphysically
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>>92646474
It's possible the eventual DVD and Blu-Ray release will include storyboards for other ending ideas they tried or deleted content, of which there seems to have been some.

I seriously, seriously doubt there's any 'surprise' epilogue waiting for us, though.
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>>92626665
I also started drinking right after that ending.
I had so many feelings and I just didn't want to feel them anymore.... Hangover came later.
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>>92638586
Tara has voiced Twilight Sparkle in several fan projects. I see no issue here. Also Phil Lamarr has been active on the Samurai Jack subreddit and interacts with fans. So someone should ask him if there are any legal issues that may prevent him from voicing it.
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>>92646840
>first hangover because of it
>wake up nauseous
>ask for advice from someone
>"drink a small amount of vinegar"
>ok
>pour about a shots worth of vinegar into a cup
>think "this will tast awful, might as well do it quickly
>plug nose with fingers and down-the-hatch it
I think you can guess just how horribly this ended for me
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>>92644598
kek
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>>92647005
For the record, you can't get rid of a hangover, it's primarily caused by dehydration. To avoid hangovers when you drink, drink a ton of water.

>>92646840
I didn't drink, but it left me cold and only really hit after I'd gone to bed.
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>>92647082
Yeah I kinda intentionally drank stupidly(intentionally didn't eat, took an extra shot even when I already felt shitty from it) that night, so I take full responsibility for how I felt
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>>92627037
The best part is Rick fixed her hideous monkey face.
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>>92647294
Best part is how everyone's just in character, right down to the stupid adoring stare of love.
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>>92627037
>>92632379
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>>92627126
>>92630413
Wouldn't Rick help out Jack in exchange for a favor later down the road?
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>Tree is bent because Ashi tackled him into it and rode him like an animal

Jesus Genndy
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>>92632379
>>92648952
>>92649485
>Rick
>not Dexter

Goddamn millennials.
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>>92649758
Anon, do you really expect Dexter to get involved with Time Travel after the headache Dee Dee gave him?

At least Adult Swim gives Jack a new connection.
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>>92627037
why is Rick in the last panel drawn so bad
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>>92649883
It wasn't all bad. And he made sure that the future Jack created had a happy ending.
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>>92618976
There is nothing wrong with bittwesweet endings.

Holy shit people, some of the best stories ever wrotte were like that, pic not related.

This is ridiculous.
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>>92649975
Bittersweet endings are supposed to have a sweetness to them, which this one has very little of.
Jack's back in his own time, woo. He's alone and nobody will know what he went through.
Not to forget the impossibility of Jacking being sent back to the past by Ashi...when Ashi supposedly never existed.

It's ridiculous that creators and authors keep thinking there's something wrong with happy endings and will defy their own rules or established notions to inject tragedy into the story. An unavoidable or heroic, and believable, tragedy is fine and can enhance a story - a contrived, needless, and illogical tragedy drags the story down. Ashi disappearing falls into the latter.
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>>92649975
>there is nothing wrong with bittersweet endings
That is true, if they are done well.
But it doesn't belong when you use literal deus ex machina to resolve multiple situations in the very season, because it just makes the bitter part overwhelm the sweet part.
This anon words it fairly well>>92650144
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>>92642335
I have no idea why this would be embarassing in the least.
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>>92650144
But there was sweetness to it? Jack ended with a fucking smile.

Just because you cant grasp it, doesnt mean that there wasnt.

Look at the tree, look at the hills full of trees. Jack has the satisfaction of knowing that the future will be beautiful, that he made the difference.
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>>92649968
Maybe Dexter should've helped him after all.
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>>92650413
>Jack ended with a fucking smile.
He was also smiling when he saw Ashi walking down the aisle.

We aren't even shown the future, we were shown nothing except Jack and some trees. For all we know he committed seppuku or something more evil than Aku appeared in the future and made things worse.
We aren't given closure to anything.
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>>92650629
Now you are going full retarded.
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>>92650718
Genndy went full retard by trying to solve a paradox and in the process created an even bigger one.
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>>92650629
Are you fucking retarded. Yeah that could have happened, or the earth and the moon might collde 90 seconds after the final scene or a gamma burst fries the whole fucking world .. anything could happen but we make assumptions based on the information given.

He kills Aku, ashi disappears because her future never happens, jack is sad, but the ladybug reminds him of her, and diging deeper, reminds him of what she represented, and what she helped restore through selfless action and love - hope, hope for a better future and a better reality. She sacrifices herself for a greater good, and jack sacrifices his happiness for a brighter reality for others.

its not that fucking hard.
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>>92650629

If you don't think that provided closure, that you're retarded. What more do you want? What loose ends are there?
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>>92650743

created a bigger paradox? what the fuck are you talking about
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>TFW the ending has been on my mind 24/7 since Saturday and made me legit depressed

I can't hate it, just because I don't think a fictional story ever made me feel this way. The visuals and the song at the end were amazing.
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>>92651516
How did Jack get back to the past?
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>>92651552
Ashi opened a fucking portal.
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>>92651756
Her autistic screeching was foreshadowing in the end.
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>>92651840
What?...sure, whatever
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>>92651756
But the ending tells us Ashi never existed.
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>>92621795
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>>92651941
Come on anon.
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>>92626944
Perhaps it was the act of Aku's Ashi doing that, something that only existed in the future?
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>>92652132
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>>92652178
She had broken free of his control by that point.
If anything Ashi should have lost any power she had since Aku was defeated and just become a normal human. It's never really addressed or not if she had human parents (Who concieved her and her sisters after the mother drank the Aku liquid) or if Aku is her father (Drinking the liquid led to impregnation).
If it's the first of those two then she could still exist. If it's the second then she should never exist and then neither should Jack being able to go back.
Call it being pedantic but if you're going to hinge a massive plot point on some kind of logic then it needs to make sense unless you want the audience to question it or, in this case for some, reject it.
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>>92618976
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>>92652002

Are you really going to argue about potential time paradoxes for a fucking cartoon.

She exists until the moment Aku is destroyed. Why she doesn't disappear right then? Artistic liberty? Who cares.

Do you have any serious, valid, artistic critiques for the finale? Or are you just going to nitpick about the details of a paradoxical timeline which no one can argue to a valid conclusion because there are no real world wormholes to observe the effects of.
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>>92652377
oh my god fuck you
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>>92652308
>Call it being pedantic but if you're going to hinge a massive plot point on some kind of logic then it needs to make sense unless you want the audience to question it or, in this case for some, reject it.
I love you anon
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>>92652606
Again. this is a cartoon. If allyou can find to complain about is the fucking worm holes, then the show did all right.
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>>92618976
>LITERALLY turn Ashi into a prize for Jack

Not that I actually care what tumblrinas think, but that is kind of a big shitstorm waiting to happen.
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>>92652472
I am going to argue it because people are telling others Ashi had to go because of a paradox but they are happy to ignore the paradox Ashi's removal causes. Her disappearing the instant Aku died would have been better but still not worked entirely.
If Jack was supposed to go back to the past then she needs to live for it to happen. I use it as a case to say at some point she will return or as a gateway into various fan endings to continue the story.
If you want to blindly accept things on screen, that's up to you.

>>92652663
If your story has a gaping plot hole that hinders itself from the resolution you intended then you have made a big mistake as an author.
This is why time travel should be avoided, it seems nearly nobody understands how to make it consistent.
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>>92652663
The worm holes are not all I can find to complain about, it's more the catalyst to destroying my suspension of disbelief that was held together to that point.
i.e. I would have been more accepting of the rushed pace as a whole, if it led to a happy ending, and did not criticize it much at all until the attempt at a bittersweet ending was clearly negatively impacted by the pacing.
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>>92652833
It's just salvaging the ending which turned her from an interesting and likeable main character into an excuse to gut punch the audience for seemingly no reason.
As for the "prize for jack" concept, I and many others equally consider Jack as a "prize" for Ashi's miserable life and what she made of it. Regardless of the circumstances, I would just be happy if she was okay.
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>>92652833
>literally reduce Ashi to nothing but a vehicle for Jack's own development

Two can play at this game
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>>92652872
I wouldn't want a contrived happy ending either. I want a rational and believable one. I do get what you're saying that people will look the other way more if the result is a happy one, but above all I just want a story that is consistent and makes sense under the rules/facts established in the story.
Then again, the three Gods appearing and saying they'll bring Ashi back as thank you to Jack and her is enough reasoning in the show's universe since they brought him back his sword.
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>>92652975
In fact, considering the only other major character death in the season prior was Scotsman, and it was immediately undone by celtic ex machina, it's more out of place that Ashi wasn't resurrected.
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>>92648952
>all this time, he kept the pen the dog archaeologists gave him

POTTERY
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>>92646348
Suicide Jack, Mad Jack and Beard Jack share an apartment downtown sitcom when?
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>>92622258
Yeah but then the ship came back to life as some sort of vampire hungry for human flesh
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>>92622113
At least it would give more meaning to the ending
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>>92653195
I was being 100% unironic
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Would something like this make the ending better?
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I was disappointed that we didn't see Warrior King Jack. I thought that was the point of flinging the story ahead 50 years and having him grow out the beard.
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>>92653372
Yes. Part of the problem with the ending is that everything felt kind of abrupt. The last we saw of any of most of those characters was a bunch of them fighting. Some of them got combat deaths but the Scotsman really needed a better goodbye. He was basically Jack's best friend.
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Why did it take months for Ashi to die? Wouldn't she had died the moment Aku died?
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You can't spell A SHIT without ASHI
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>>92653461
Because need to give the audience false hope so they can get relieved and let their guard down when you kick them in the balls later.
Even Ashi dying in that moment doesn't make things line up correctly. If they really wanted her out of the picture then it could work that she creates a portal and throws Jack into it alone.
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>>92653461
So that genndy could trick Ashifags into a false sense of security just to BTFO them a minute later.
Haha fucking faggots falling in love with a cartoon girl deserved it.
haha
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>>92653372
>>92653446
>this would have been great
>then again "Oh no," was genuinely hilarious

Damn it. Hard to choose.
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>>92653497
Wowsers that is cute.
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>>92653547
It's less cute when you see what happens next
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>>92653554
I just found the artsit, that's all the Jack and Ashi stuff they have done.
Unless you mean what they are likely about to do together. Which would still probably be cute
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>>92618976
Is this legit?
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>>92653884
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>>92653678
>what they are likely about to do together

Calligraphy?
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>>92653975
If you consider his dick the brush, and her face the canvas, then yes caligraphy
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>>92652472
>Are you really going to argue about potential time paradoxes for a fucking cartoon.
Given the fact the ending relies entirely on a "potential" time paradox actually occurring then it would be retarded to ignore it, like you are so desperately trying to do. Mr. "hurr not valid criticism" guy.
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>>92652663
>Again. this is a cartoon.
Yes, it was a bad cartoon, you can stop defending it now.
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>>92654003

That's way too lewd. It went down like this -

>Jack sits in field enjoying the weather
>Hears Ashi approaching behind him
>"Oh, Ashi, I've been w-
>"I know you've been here, Samurai Scum!"
>Jack is surprised when she begins relentlessly attacking him
>Due to confusion and a refusal to strike back, she easily pins him
>"Ashi, what are you -
>She grabs his dick
>"...oh"
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When do we get a series about the GOAT side characters though?
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>>92619780
In my top 5 alternative endings this is the #1
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>>92654109

My favorite is where Genndy wakes up next to his wife screaming.

>"Genndy, what's wrong?"
>"Oh, sorry hon. I had a bad dream that I ended Samurai Jack with a sad ending."
>Camera pans over to Tara Strong on the other side of Genndy
>"What's Samurai Jack?"
>Genndy screams
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How would Daughter of Aku Ashi react if you told her what would happen after Episode 3 or 4?
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>>92654079
The two of them would be extremely caring and cautious with any sex.
Jack not wanting to hurt Ashi at all, and she not wanting to appear fragile to him. Almost like they both think them having sex is wrong but they both also know they need it.
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>>92654296
So Guts and Casca at first then.
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>>92654296

>Ashi sliding her hands down his back
>"Sorry, I was a little rough."
>Jack looks back at the scratches he has all over
>"Yes, very...."
>Ashi looks down in embarrassment
>"Oh, but, still very good!"
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>>92654366
>"You uh...might want to get a scarf."
>"Why? The weather is quite nice and I am not cold."
>Sees his reflection in the nearby pond and notices his neck has marks on it
>"Oh."
>Ashi giggling
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>>92654518

>Jack's mother notices
>Sits there silently
>Expression does not change
>Doesn't say a word
>Her face gets red slightly
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>>92622499
>The ending is already full of paradoxes
like what
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>>92654560
>jack remembering Ashi
>Jack going back to the past if she never existed
>ashi taking years to vanish
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>>92623088
The montage was great.
Ideally, for me, it would have her walking down the aisle, the montage, then her walking again, then vanishing abruptly, then Jack sitting under the tree with the ladybug.
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>>92654555
Just imagine if the Scotsman saw that.
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>>92654741

>"I'LL TELL YOU WHAT I THINK OF THAT MR. AKU SLAYIN', DAUGHTER WOOIN', -
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>>92654778
>LOOK AT YE LADDIE. WHO'DA EVER THUNK IT, JACK GETTIN BIT BY DA BUG. ONE GLANCE FROM HER AND YER FACE TURNS REDDER DAN ONE OF ME DAUGHTER'S HAIR.
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>>92654741
>>92654778
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0imv3K7owdE
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>>92618976
>alternative ending
>not this

really dissapointing
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>The best part of the finale is /co/'s reaction to it.
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>>92654366
>>92654518
>>92654555

tumblr is real
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>>92654990
Yes, it is a real website.
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>>92626810
>you are a sad little person
I've been in a funk for the past week and a half that has taken away my appetite among other things. Over a fucking cartoon character. I'm well aware how pathetic that is.
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>>92655276
I've felt the same way over fictional stuff too. It's what happens when you get really attached and the only way to fix it is to come to peace through a headcanon where you feel satisfied the characters are left in a good spot.
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>>92655276
>>92655310

I've been depressed for months and that ending hit me hard until Jack smiled. I've felt a lot better in the last few days. If Jack still smiles I have no reason to be upset, even though things suck right now.
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>>92654932
>The best part of ANY finale is /co/'s reaction to it.
my fave is still Korra but this is pretty entertaining too
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>>92655363
I know Jack will be fine eventually, he always finds a way.
Genndy didn't need to do that to Ashi though. It was so avoidable and unnecessary, and even if it was the ending he "had to do", they completely shafted her final moments.
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OK /co/

You can erase Season 5 from existence. Both good and bad parts. Everything returns to it's 4 seasons of (albeit unresolved) glory.

Y/N ?
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>>92655400

They'll be together again some day.

>>92655403

Fuck that. Jack will be happy eventually for certain now. It's rough and will take a while, but he will be.
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>>92655403
No. He'll find a way to get Ashi back.
Sets up a new quest and purpose for him.
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>>92618976
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>>92655423
>they'll be together one day
My heart wants to believe that, but my head goes straight to the "denied afterlife" concept.
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>>92655434

>Gotta get her back
>>
show know for lack of exposition and long lingering shots that set the mood and let things sink in

>I have Aku powers!
>go back in time
>kill Aku
>rebuild japan
>wedding
>Ashi dies
>Jack sad
>Jack comes to terms

over the span of 3 fucking minutes.

MEANWHILE
a whole fucking episode is not just a filler episode, it's a fucking clip show episode
FUUUUUUUUU
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>>92655376
I never watched Korra, how bad was the finale?
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>>92655689
Which episode are you calling filler/clipshow?
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>>92654932
Hey, my thread made it into the screencap!
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>>92655714
it was glorious
basically, the gay crackship NOBODY expected won
shit was flinging back and forth for weeks
creators added fuel to the fire via twitter or some interview
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>>92655729
ugh, the one that was 90% clips from S1-S4, anon
are you alright?
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>>92655799
So did Tumblr inspire the creators?
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>>92655813
Just wanted to be sure you were talking about episode 6.
Alot of people call episode 8 filler and it grinds my gears.
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>>92655829
well, I can't tell you that, but it was very happy
lots of articles praising it for being progressive and such too
poor anons who wanted to discuss plot holes and other problems (there were plenty) were constantly drowned in that noise
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>>92655596
YES
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>>92655729
I think he means the one where ashi tries to find jack and runs into some of the people he saved
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>>92655861
ah, ok. don't worry I'm not one of those

btw, anyone cutting this thing together back into the movie form ? I could do it, but feeling lazy
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>>92655906
yup
was super disappointed with that one

you get 10 episodes instead of your usual 13, you're brining closure to the whole thing, and you waste a full episode for that? Sad!
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>>92655907
I don't think that would really work, theres way too much characterization between jack and Ashi that occurs offscreen.
>Jack learning ashis name
>jack learning about high priestess
>ashi learning that Jack is from the past
>ashi ever exclaiming her love for jack
>Ashi meeting Jacks family(this could be optional)
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oh look, it's the real ending to samurai jack
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Why didn't the gods just bring ashi back as a reward?
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>>92655961
I'm yet to rewatch, but if I remember correctly many episodes flow directly into each other?

1-3 and 8-10 definitely do, gotta verify the rest.
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>>92655994
Because Genndy is a hack and wanted to force "muh bittersweet ending" since he never did a bittersweet ending before and always wanted to do one.
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>>92622571
need more time slots for R&M and TTGO on CN
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>>92655994
The million dollar question. someone really needed to tell genndy that you can't have a well done bittersweet ending that involves killing off a character if you utilize literal deus ex machina many times throughout the season
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Poor Gendy NEVER got to finish a show before.

He'll do better next time.
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>>92656018
Could that have worked tho?
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>>92656011
All the episodes flow together except for 6-8. The problem though is they do time skips to account for traveling and let us assume they learn eachothers names in that time. Jack didn't even say Ashis name until the end of episode 7
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>>92655994

Maybe they do? It's pretty open ended.

>They bring back Ashi
>Jack amd Ashi stare at eachother, smiling
>"Oh yeah, one more thing"
>The gods zap down Dean Martin
>Cue "EVERY-
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>>92656064
Nope, Genndy failed miserably and the majority of people who watch Samurai Jack hated the ending.
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>>92656064
could what have worked? a bittersweet ending or gods bringing her back?
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>>92631456

>The ending was a like a more rushed and unfulfilling Gurren Lagann

ftfy
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>>92656094
Gods bringing her back. The first four episodes were fantastic.
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>>92656077
Oh, good to know.
I'm fine with that. There are lots of movies that are structured this way.

Too bad we don't have any material to pad the ending somehow. Really needed those slow moments to drive the points home.

I guess I'll post here after I'm done.
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>>92656122
Absolutely, the gods either preventing her disappearance or creating an aku-free "back-up" with her memories up to her disappearance would totally work. It would work as well as the gods appearing and granting Jack a new sword, or the scotsmans death being immediately undone by "celtic magic"
People are much more accepting of dumb plot contrivances when it works in favor of a beloved character, especially when said plot contrivances have been utilized in that exact fashion in the same season.
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>>92656172
Good luck on that anon.
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>>92618976
So anyway, we know Ashi disappeared because Aku was killed. What are the chances of Aku not being dead? Would Ashi still never existed since the timeline was altered by Jack defeating Aku? Or would there just be a different Ashi who doesn't remember Jack and is completely evil, adding on to Jack's suffering.
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>>92656252
If aku survived, she likely would not have disappeared.
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So everyone agrees then, the "correct" version of the ending is Ashi doesn't disappear and gets married to Jack and they live happily ever after?
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>>92656303
no

I vote for same ending, but with extra material for pedantic anons, like picrelated
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>>92656290
Yeah, I know, but the timeline might be altered somehow because Jack defeated Aku in the past.
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>>92656303
unironically yes.
Maybe with future rothchild noting that they shouldn't be there with aku gone, and that "perhaps his magic meddling with time and subsequent death has caused an anomaly to benefit in our favor!"
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>>92656080
Ha. Not sure either would know that kind if music though I'm sure they'd enjoy it.
The whole "God bringing Ashi back" think seems to be the best route I've seen so far.
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>>92656318
having one last scotsman insult directed at aku, basically gloating over the face they won would have been perfect.
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>>92656252
There if no mechanism for matter so simply
"vanish", it simply breaks rules of common sense and conservation of energy. There is no way for Ashi to disappear, save for dramatic narrative, which is BS.


I wish people realized that causality goes out of the window if you start travelling to the past and that temporal isolation takes effect - mass and energy decoupled from their time and stuck somewhere else are still subject to laws of thermodynamics and become fixed in whatever time-space they are set.

tl;dr Even if you kill Aku in the past, Ashi could not have vanished, time travel does not work that way.
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>>92618976

Eugh. Thank God they came to their senses and avoided this cliche. Either that or somebody went back to the past to stop it from happening.
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>>92656467
>Swap one cliche for another
>"But it's more tragic so it's better"
You're the kind of people ruining fiction
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>>92656466
>time travel does not work that way

I'd like to point out that Time Travel still isn't possible and our current knowledge of psychics hasn't got us there yet. So to say that "it doesn't work that way" is kind of left up to interpretation and theories at this point. I see what you mean, though.
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>>92656523
Time travel to the past will never be possible.
travelling to the future is theoretically possible in different ways, we just do not have the technology
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Are you guys serious?
This is such a shit cop out to an already shitty ending
You guys have such shit tastes, i swear
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>>92656554
That would suck balls to go into the future and not be able to come back. On the plus side, I'd be able to see if I had a family of my own 30 years into the future.
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>>92656523
Assuming we use stable portals and we are looking at linear time progression, what you are effectively doing with time travel is simply shifting matter around, you are not subtracting or adding anything to the universe - with time being a function of space and gravitational effects of mass on space, time travel in simplistic terms affects little beyond causality of events that in themselves CANNOT make things disappear.

Imagine a line with a loop in it - that loop is the future that Jack and Ashi experienced - it still happened, but with Jack being our fixed point of reference, he carries on from where he left off in the past and simply plucks one thing out of that future which is Ashi. It still happened so she keeps on existing, but the new time that carries on from Jack's perspective is different already - the future that had Aku in it is parallel and closed off, forming that loop that to Jack as an observer was altered but still happened.

I know it makes little sense, but it is in keeping with Jack still being around himself while Ashi disappearing in spite of reason - logic of time travel does not support it, conservation of energy does not support it, narrative arrangement does not support it.
The only thing that does support it is Genndy's own wish for it, which breaks the story.

Let is be stated once and for all that this ending was forced and it makes no sense. Any ending that makes Ashi disappear is illogical. It's the equivalent of saying "no john, you are the zombies".
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>>92642335
im sure tara doesn't give a shit

in fact im sure she would endorse it if she could
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>>92656777
Tara and Phil has been experiencing fanart for years. Rule 34 is nothing new to them.
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>>92656799
meant for >>92642335
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>>92656777
>>92656799
It's not about the porn, it's about them knowing whether ashi and jack get married/have kids and having to keep their mouths shut when people excitedly ask them questions about how jack and ashi would be dorky parents or whatever.
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>>92656854
This shit still isn't new to them.
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>>92656865
Doesn't make it less awkward or sad
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>>92656688
Look, I know we don't like the ending, but keep in mind that magic mostly defies all logic and science.
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>>92656490

You misunderstand, anon. Gratuitous tragedy is no better than saccharine sweetness.

No, in this case, it's about the narrative of the story itself.

From beginning to end, Samurai Jack has been the story of man's persistence against despair. Developing the resolve to stay steadfast despite no sign of hope, defeating his inner demons, and achieving inner balance - not euphoria and infinite happiness, but balance. The ability to make peace with suffering and continue on without succumbing to it.

And the ending did that perfectly. It showed just how far Jack had come in terms of his resilience against despair. If it were the less experienced Jack, he may have had a breakdown. But now, Jack is enlightened. He doesn't need the universe to reward him to have balance. It's a great metaphor for real life too. There's no "get married and live happily ever after" fairy tale. Just because you've reached big personal milestones after trials and tribulations doesn't mean life will fit a perfectly polished, flower narrative. But when you've found your balance, the energies of joy and suffering become two sides of same coin. In memory, our bonds are immortal. With the inevitability of death, we are alive. Through loss, we know what love means. Jack can now make peace in understanding that the world, both beautiful and cruel, simply "is"
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>>92652002
>Jack gets sent into the future
>50 years of shenanigans ensue
>Ashi brings Jack back, back to the past right after past jack goes into the future
>Future Jack overwrites past Jack and becomes default Jack
>Jack is in a paradox free state
>Ashi is still radiating paradox energy
>Ashi manages to stay hidden until the wedding
>Trips like a bitch
>A Reaper sweeps up that sweet paradox filled virgin puss
>Ashi is gone.
>World is paradox free
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>>92656876
No it doesn't, this is what Tara and Phil have to deal with on a regular basis. I would think they would have developed some form of immunity from it by now.
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>>92656882
If you pretend it's magic, don't insert half-arsed expositions about time travel as the dying words for your deuteragonist.
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>>92653372
Yeah, like has been said, lack of closure to the future folk is one of the really undebatable problems with this ending.
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>>92654296
It'd be like 45 minutes of "Sorry!" and "Is that okay?"
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>>92656915
I am almost thoroughly convinced that the gods are just as much dicks as Aku is.
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>>92622212
Ashi should have done a slow fade away while they were in the portal to the past. They could have done the whole I love you thing and made it seem less phoned in.
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>>92654741
>AYE, I KNOW THAT LOOK! I REMEMBER ME FIRST TIME, TOO! WIFEY BROKE HALF A DOZEN BONES! BEST NIGHT O' ME LIFE! HA!
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>>92656897
>fortune cookie nonsense, the post

If the world simply "is", then there is no need to excuse anything, or in this case make a point one way or the other. With your explanation, Ashi existing or not existing is the same, which undermines any justification for making the ending bittersweet.

Life is good to some, bad to others, but we are talking about a universe which has demons, time travel and gods - there is a cosmic order to things despite everything and on top of it, it is a story - written by someone for an audience, which didn't come for life lessons to the show, but a closure of their favourite character. Positive emotional sendoff is not unexpected or undeserved. If anything it would simply be a good way to seal the show with a positive memory and trust me, people would have moved on faster from that than from this.
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>>92656944
And it'd be adorable
Over time they learn each other more and more so there's less hesitation and questioning
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>>92657006

And it's great that we don't have to agree. The fact that our viewpoints differ from one another is the reason that we can give them meaning

Were it not for the fact that something contrary to what we think existed, we wouldn't have nearly as much conviction in what we do believe

And the pendulum swings on
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>>92657119
Or maybe we exist in a universe where there are such things as objective facts and you are simply wrong.
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>>92657335

And thanks to your belief in my being wrong, you've had a chance to express what you believe is right

Our perceptions of wrongness fuel our sense of rightness. Give it purpose. Just like Jack's suffering and rebirth. Truly a great show.
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>>92619692
>Jack deserved happiness.

That's the thing about heroes. They rarely find it.
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So I see there's some divide between "futurefags" vs "pastfags".

Anyone else feels neither is the best? Like Jack is that archetype warrior, a man on an endless quest, a myth, a legend.

Sure, he had a mission statement, but part of what made the [original] run great was that it never came to pass? Like, here's Jack, here's Aku, and they are in this eternal stalemate... providing a basis for those adventures, new locations, fun characters, moments of contemplation, feels of sorrow and hope in that ravaged, dark, but often beautiful and hopeful world?

I'd prefer another season of episodic adventures (or rather, "legends about Jack") with no resolution once again.
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>>92657684
(cont)

I liked that S1-S4 were extremely abstract. There was no "storyline". No goals or plot points. No recurring characters (apart from Scotsman).

But many things reinforced the "legend" aspect.
>Aku reading those stories to children
>Bounty hunters waiting in cabin episode
>Winter segment in 4 seasons

By S4, he was not a mere man, but a legend. He was so great, that he could overcome any problem in mere seconds. He was so great, that he could destroy entire CULTURES if he wanted to.

(We had a glimpse of this in S5, when he killed Daughters of Aku. When chips went down, it was 1 body per 1 strike type of deal. He's a fucking killing machine, god dammit).

To provide a definitive conclusion to this, to reduce him to a simple "character on a mission", a hero who goes and kills Aku, THE END, is to rob him of his greatness.
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>>92657747
(cont)

Plus, there always was something else around the corner. A new location, new culture, new friend or a new foe. The world was endless.

But now we kinda "saw it all". In fact, we even revisited some locations (yuck) and some characters (big mistake!) shrinking his world significantly. It almost gave this world a concrete geography, also reduce it to just "fantasy setting", instead of that endless river of imagination/dream.

I understand that not ending the series, given one last chance, would've pissed the fans (and "lore" faggots), but I feel it cheapened the whole experience to a simple cartoon about a man killing a bad guy.
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>>92657778
Oh and one more thing. Not only S5 gave us some kind of a geography, it also give us somewhat of a timeline, shrinking everything once again.

"50 years have passed.."

Well, I kinda felt S1-S4 took place over EONS. Maybe it was 4 months. Maybe it took 4 years. Maybe it took 40 years.

Maybe it never happened at all, and Jack is just a symbol to all those poor villagers.
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Man I haven't been on /co/ since the episode first aired and holy shit this is pathetic
>ITS NOT FAIR THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE KILLED HER DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE ANYWAY HEADCANON ENDING TIME
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>>92657826
Leave it to the fans to fix the mistakes the developer leaves behind. Do people have to adjust to the Lucas edits on episodes IV-VI?
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Which episodes of season 5 would you cut to make the ending longer?
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>>92657869
>mistakes
What fucking mistake?
Ashi was unmade as a result of her father dying before she was conceived. It's a tragic moment meant meant to elicit feelings of sadness. It's an appropriate goal backed up by logical cause-and-effect
The only mistake here are the fragile, mincing fucking faggots plaguing this thread whose poor hearts couldn't HANDLE a bit of tragedy (and the pacing issues)
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>>92657929
>logical cause-and-effect
Except there was no logic to it, you mong. Everyone acknowledges it for the emotion bait it was and it failed to elicit bittersweetness, but rather evoked disappointment.

There is a difference between well-written tragedy and forced "magnum opus" that turned into a rushed shitshow of 20 minutes.
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>>92657951
>no logic to it
Is this your first ever time travel story? What's not to get? Her conception is undone, therefore she is undone
>yeah but uhh if she was meant to disappear why didnt she just do it straight away
Because of storytelling conventions my man.
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>>92657929
How about that poor man's TTGL for starters?
OP's is a great alternative for a happy ending but honestly I have no problem with the bittersweet ending either. Especially when I describe the final scene as Jack admiring the beauty of the world Ashi envisioned back in episode 5 and realized it's the world she would've wanted. But that wedding scene that was only there for drama and Ashi's final words to Jack being exposition instead of something touching and heart-felt; was the lowest point of the finale.
Have her instead fade after Aku's killed and have it emotional. Then the ending feels so much better despite it;s overwhelming bitter in contrast to the sweet.
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How did ashi know exactly what time to go back to?
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>>92658065
Probably just pictured it in her mind. It's magic, after all.
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>>92657997
>Because of storytelling conventions my man.
I just told you I am aware of it, the problem is that it was ineptly done.

If you want interesting time travel, read Heinlein or Niven, but don't expect anyone to accept a shoehorn like this.
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>>92658022
Oh and as for the wedding scene being removed. Have it instead either show a glimpse of how the future without Aku's rule turned out to be. Or, Jack's kingdom slowly rebuilding. The former is the best option seeing how people want answers to how the future turned up.
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>>92658022
>poor man's TTGL
That's more to do with the horrendous pacing and general downward spiral of the season rather than logical storytelling inconsistencies

>OP's is a great alternative for a happy ending
What, a deus ex machina gotcha moment? And here I was thinking that people didn't like the current 'sad' ending because they thought it was exactly that

>>92658080
Obviously no one is going to contest how badly it was done. My original point with >>92657826 is that it's beyond pathetic seeing shit like with the OP and the relies garnered ITT. It's wishy washy, headcanon safespace horseshit. Disliking the ending not because it was executed poorly, but simply for the fact that 'its not what I wanted'.
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>>92657997

>Is this your first ever time travel story? What's not to get? Her conception is undone, therefore she is undone

Except the story didn't actually follow those time travel rules.

If that was how the time travel worked then the entire story would have resulted in a paradox anyway and Jack wouldn't even remember Ashi since she would never have existed and he would never have met her.

>inb4 you seriously try to argue that time travel warping solid matter out of existence is a-okay but changing memories is just TOO out there.
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>>92658155
Tru
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>>92657025
Pretty much. There would still be hand holding and the missionary, though.
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>>92655276
Eh, it just means the characters were well-written and acted enough that you were able to empathize with them on a personal level. People react like this to films all the time.
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>>92655994
They're indifferent to the struggle and pain jack and Ashi endured and don't care about the sacrifices they made.
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>>92656058
He finished Dexter's lab, CN just decided to continue it out of greed.
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