How true is pic related?

Pretty true, I'd say.

>>92610617
i wish this was made by dobson

>>92610617
Even a broken clock is right twice a day. It's not so much words of wisdom as it is common sense.

>>92610681
No, Evil Dobson should have made it.

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>>92610617
>that panel where she's pissed at him

guess she didn't want it hard enough.

>>92610754
She's angry at herself

>>92610692
>No, Evil Dobson should have made it.
Isn't Evil Dobson supposed to be skilled?

>>92610817
Exactly. Why wish for bad things?

can someone post the unedited version with hitler

>>92610617
My parents fucking hated it when I drew anything

>went to art school anyway
>Works in the industry any damn way

They still hate it and I don't care. I do what makes me happy.

>>92610768
>gets constant encouragement and winds up like george lucas, here no one challenges you or questions you
>never improve

or

>dad says it's shit, so she works extra hard to prove him wrong and do it more just to spite him

honestly, he's a good dad. no one ever got ahead in life being encouraged.

I mean, it happens, if you've got a good enough drive and the talent, plus all the hours of hard work, then yeah it happens.

The thing is, what happens when you've done all that, but no studio wants your shitty idea anyways? What's the message there? You tried, you did the work, you just had a really shitty idea.

What we're missing here is the part where people give criticism, and she improves through that, instead we're lead to believe that she had this one and done idea that everybody in the whole fucking world loved.

Also fuck Katy Perry.

>>92610861
Well it's you
Are you are presuming that if the person can be discouraged then he doesnt really want it and should rather kill himself?

>>92610617
Kevin Smith's quote is pretty reasonable advice but I think it's bringing out some insecurities in this narrow-minded cartoonist.

Someone should edit it to be more realistic. The one who gets criticized ends up becoming a doctor and making fat bank, and the one who gets non-stop praise ends up drawing freaky fetish porn for weirdos on DA for minimum wage.

>>92610890
>Also fuck Katy Perry.

fuck I laughed way more than I should've

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>>92610890
The quote says, "encourage," not, "coddle." The quote isn't even about the artist but rather the people around them.

>>92610861
I became a librarian for the same goddamn reasons. Dad said it wouldn't make enough money, that I should go to the coal mines where they make fifty dollars and hour(Yes, he really fucking believes this, even after I've pointed out that it's not true and that, at most, the fucking foreman makes 30 dollars an hour.). Nevermind the fact that he had to stop doing that because he kept having trouble breathing down there and almost died on two occasions, sitting around helping kids find books isn't a real job.

Now he has stay at home with me because all those years in the mines fucked up his lungs and he can't live by himself. Doesn't matter I actually own my own goddamn house, he still makes comments about how I should've become a miner like him, because 25 bucks an hour isn't good money apparently.

Fucker.

>>92610617
look at how there was no improvement in the drawing. its not being just positive or just negative. just be honest and give credit where credit is due.

Villainous is a great success story

>>92610942
I'm forced to wonder what sort of pathetic loser had their life saved by a fucking Katy Perry song. Or how retarded the artist must be to think anyone would ever see anything deep in generic pop tripe.

>>92610617
Does anyone have the version where she brings her teacher to the mural of a muscular horse furry saying "I love being STRONG"?

>>92610617
That last panel should've been the girl browsing 4chin

>>92611043
why do they use dewey decimal system? it's retarded.

>asian
>dyed streak of hair
WTF sterotypical much??

>>92611177
You try getting rid of something that like 90% of the country uses.

>>92610617
false 95% of the time

there is nothing wrong with steering your child into a more pragmatic direction when it comes to career choices. That being said there are better ways to do it than is shown in that picture

>>92610617
someone make an edit with naked kevin smith jerking it

>>92610617
more than it should be

i was never outright discouraged to be an artist but i always got the "how are you going to pay bills" speech.

being afraid that I wouldnt be able to make money doing the thing I love caused me to waste years trying to find something I hated but would pay bills. but I realize now Im going to struggle to get by no matter what so I may as well follow my dreams

but I wasted a lot of time and caused myself a lot of heartache because I let people tell me it would either be too hard or wouldnt work out.

>>92610861
good on you anon

I hope you make it, what ever that may mean for you/

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>>92610936
>The one who gets criticized ends up becoming a doctor and making fat bank
Are you retard?

>>92610936
>becoming a doctor

by doctor do you mean alcoholic and mentally ill?

>>92610617
Is there a webcomic more pretentious than Zenpencils?

>>92610861
so you see? it didn't even matter if they encouraged you or not. you do what you want.

>>92610617
Zen pencils is a fucking moron who has immense trouble understanding very basic quotes.
Sometimes he gets them wrong on purpose simply to support his retarded fucking views.

>>92610890
it's katy ferry, anon.
can't you even read?

>>92612951

I think The Oatmeal might be more obnoxious to me.

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>>92610617
>quoting kevin smith

>>92610617
I love how they quote Kevin Smith on this like it doesn't reflect horribly on their point. If your point is that criticism isn't healthy for art then maybe you shouldn't cite the prime example of what happens when artists get lazy and stop caring.

>>92613205
B-but, if the quote fits my personal world view then it HAS to be true and inspiring.

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>>92612951
sinfest is donwright delusional

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>>92613068
Never see threads about the Oatmeal
It's either Assigned Male or Vegventures.

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>>92610617
No
High Expectations Asian Father is right

get your ass back to studying a STEM subject

and for the love of god, do not colour your hair

>>92613457
Also the fact that they keep using Miyazaki as the avatar of creativity in the face of those evil hateful critics who keep bothering the nice artists. The man is a perfectionist who has a very strong idea of what art is and will demolish anyone who fails to live up to his standards.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngZ0K3lWKRc

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>>92614040
LOL

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>>92613889
poor guy was anally annihilated.

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>>92613660
what?

>>92613889
Miyazaki did have a point about this guy doing something with no clear idea regarding what he wanted to achieve.

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>>92610617
ahahaha

>>92614040
It's depressing to think some people really are so neurotic that they think advertisers are making ads just to laugh at everyone who looks at them.

>>92614570
I don't think that's what it was saying. I think it meant they're laughing at you because they think you can't do anything about it.

>>92614040
Thanks for posting this. More people need to stop and think about what advertising really is, and how grotesquely offensive its infiltration of practically every facet of everyday life really is.

Where I live there's a beer company that's been putting up advertising in the form of faux-Banksy style graffiti. At some point I should get round to covering up the company logo so all that's left just looks like unoriginal vandalism.

>>92613660
what's wrong with being vegan?

>>92610968
heh

>>92610968
>I get it
Kek

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>>92614710
Nothing really, as long as you don't become preachy about it.

>>92614710
Nothing really, but a small minority of vegans can be obnoxious or have a superiority complex about it, so people demonize everyone in the group. It happens with pretty much every group of people who do or think something that people can come up with a reason to dislike.

>>92614846
She's not really wrong.

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>>92614951
>"Your a bad person because you eat meat" the comic

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>>92614040
Jesus get some McDonald's calm down

>>92615038
Is this popular?

It's shit.

>>92615107
most things are

>>92615038
I mean it's obvious bias and reeks of superiority complex, I just meant that justification made sense. I eat meat though I still think slaughtering animals for it is wrong. But I'm not going to pretend it's not just because I'm too lazy to do anything about it.

>>92615183
All of it's just that parrody comic of:

A: I support the author's view, I am calm and reasonable.
B: I DON'T AND I'M VERY SILLY

It just doesn't seems real, there's no self awareness at all.

>>92615247
you'll notice that most things are like that

>>92615209
>because I'm too lazy to do anything about it.
what about stop eating them, I don't think that's too hard

>>92613660
Absolutely autistic

>>92614040
Aren't neurotic people like this the reason that guy held employees hostages at a Dominos restaurant?

>>92614846
This vegan fag is right you know, but I don't get upset that some people fight dogs, or that some places eat dog, I understand the unecessary cruelty that animals go through to become my food.
So I'm not going to judge others for what I'm guilty of unlike some other fags.
>umm, delioucs bacon, delicious beef
>what some people eat dogs, how terrible, how could they
Pure stupidity.

>>92615372
Well, I also hate the taste of pretty much every vegetable and am incredibly poor, so It's either meat or pasta and lots of cheap or easy food has meat in it.

>>92614040
>They never asked for your permission
Imagine being so beta about advertisements "bullying" you but at the same time having this obnoxious pretentiousness about how they owe you stuff.
I can almost taste the liberal arts degree through this one

>>92615038
>Literally every comic is a minor variation of I AM VERY SILLY
This would be funny if it wasn't meant to be taken seriously.

>>92614686
Banksy himself uses a derivative style and has monetized his work.

>>92615480
Imagine being so beta about advertisements that you defend them online

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>>92610930
I think you ran to the most insane conclusion based on what was said

>>92610617
I'd say it's 20% true

>>92614570
>>92614619
It's really just people that take life way too fucking seriously. The companies don't give a shit about people, neither do the models, they just want you to buy their stuff.

>>92616879
Maybe lower depending on how very few people actually manage to get their own personal creation to appear on screen and then made into pop culture.

But it is a fun picture to imagine for people who want to go into that industry I suppose.

>>92614040
I mean I hate to make it sound like POOR GIANT EVIL CORPORATIONS but why do they owe you shit? For looking at their crap? You only have to pay them if you intend to make money of their shit. Nothings stopping you from using all their shit to not make money.
And even then there's several ways around that.

>>92610617
I disagree, since criticism is far more valuable than just lapping up anything an artist produces.

>>92611977
Yeah, same, though I'm in the middle of it right now.

Everyone told me I wouldn't become anything unless I studied tech. And now I'm almost done with uni and it's still the wrong choice but it's too late to turn back.

The worst part is that about halfway through the same people who pressured me into it started saying that they never would have expected me to study tech...

>>92614040
As you read this, a fly is crawling across the unblinking eye of a starving African child. It will be the last sensation he ever feels.

but seeing advertisements a lot is pretty bad too I guess

>>92617159
STEM is full of pitfalls and dead-end choices that no one tells you about until it's too late. That's not even getting into the subfields that can be rendered worthless while you're in the middle of learning them.

>>92613889
Miyazaki also hates the concept of war and anime in general, He fucking loathes giant robot shit, He probably hates rap, and He's always fucking angry. Like, always. I've never not seen an interview with him where he wasn't at least stern for a large portion of it.

The Zen Pencils comics where he appears are like the authors private imagined version of Miyazaki. Some kind of weird fetishized completely different version of him that the creator wishes Miyazaki was like, because it supports his view of the world, but not reality.

>>92610617
Encouragement is not good enough. The road to hell is paved with good intentions and all that. Besides morale, you need skill, either through your background or through effort. You also need a platform from where to launch from, again likely from your background and less likely through effort this time. You also need fine knowledge of the medium and good eye, all effort this time around and encouragement can act against this by inflating your ego and making you impervious to criticism(see : Dobson) .

And even if you have all that, there's still the x factor. Luck, fortune, being able to resonate with audiences in a meaningful profound constant and perhaps more important timely way(thousands of forgotten gems that were ahead of their time, failed to resonate with their audiences and remain to this day as cult classics), being able to find a good enough sponsor who will employ you like a korean animator slave and reap the fat of the profits(and in this fucked up world, that is still GOOD). And then you have to wait till the bitch stars align just right so the reviews of the final product aren't marred by your image, the image of your sponsor or even have their thunder stolen by another competing product or a damn war or a tornado or whathaveyou social sensation flavor of the nanosecond.

Encouragement is not warranty of success, or even of a finished product. See Patreon.

The Dinomites is a fucking dumb shallow idea derivative of a dime a dozen children shows

DUDE DINOMITES LMAO

>>92610617
You can encourage people all you want, but if they don't dedicate time to perfecting their art, then no amount of encouragement will do anything. But you also have to have guts, especially when people say you're shit, to preserver, correct your course, and make something of yourself.

These people thing someone is magically fall out of the sky and dub them the next big thing.

>>92614040
I fucking cut myself on this edge

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>>92617364
I should probably point out I mean this specific comic, mostly.

>>92614846
It is treason then.

>>92617652
>first word of acronym is variation of the acronym
That's cheating. Also "art" didn't make that robot, fucking engineers did.

>>92617652
>sound weaponization
it's rhymes are so awful they are offensive? or does he just chimp out and scream really really hard? might be an interesting weapon that, loud nigra demoralizing tactics.

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>>92617848
His opinion of what is and isn't art is very broad. (He considers standup art?) I wouldn't be surprised if he considered engineering art, if only to win that specific argument.

Seeing this comic and the major theme of this one next to the Dinomites one, I really have to question how averse to criticism the Zen Pencils guy is? Like, his art isn't honestly that bad, it's okay. There's some stuff about it I don't care for that he could easily improve, but it's not 23 year old autist making Sonic OC art bad. But did he have a really bad experience or something? Did he have a strict art teacher in college or whatever? I'm sincerely curious, because it seems like he lumps all criticism into a pile along side metaphorically murdering people with Kaiju. He must really resent critics.

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>>92618019
When he actually uses it, he literally just picks one song out of a list (guess all the other forms of music that they spent time recording weren't worth it!) and shoots music at the monster. I think he meant for it to be SO GOOD THE TROLLS COULDN'T HELP BUT SUCCUMB TO IT, but it actually just looks so bad the monster has to puke.

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>>92615419
I am a carnivorous primate and i rely on a steady supply of lesser forms of life to sustain myself

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While we're on the subject of Zen Pencils: This comic has very little to do with the idea behind the Dinomites one, but I still can't tell if this is sarcastic or if it's supposed to be ironic or a joke or if he's totally one million percent serious about it.
It's about a Church of The Beatles that he's imagined that's drawing clear religious meaning out of their work and their ideas or whatever, that he's clearly holding in high regard, and he's set it to a quote that's basically John Lennon saying "Don't worship me or my friends".
(Isn't turning The Beatles into religion what caused the whole Charles Manson thing?)

>>92618433
People are going to try to argue that with you. I don't fucking know why, but some people seem to think that nature is no excuse for diet. Which is retarded as fuck. Apparently, "Human empathy should allow us to rise above nature" is somehow a valid argument these people try to make. Never mind that in nature we are literal predators and that huge protein ingestion is vital to our continued survival and a healthy life. I don't understand how "empathy" is supposed to dissuade me from eating prey. Lots of animals have empathy, but still eat other animals. It's the food chain.

Also, let's not forget, that Vegans and vegetarians often have issues with calcium and protein intake. They argue nuts and mushrooms (which are much closer to animals than plants, by the way) but those aren't actually enough to offset the need for protein in the human body and will ultimately lead to malnourishment unless offset themselves with daily vitamins. Ironically, protein and calcium vitamins are always made from animal parts, so most vegans and vegetarians don't realize it, but they're still eating animals to survive.

>>92614710
Looking at it purely from a health perspective, it's objectively not how the human body is designed to eat. While most people in developed countries do eat an excess of meat and dairy, they're still important parts of the human diet that a vegan diet can't entirely replace. You could limit your meat/dairy intake to milk, seafood, and eggs and get basically all the benefits of veganism without being a vegan.

Ideologically, you do you but honestly it's kind of dishonest for people to talk about veganism as though it helps the animals that are being eaten when it would most likely cause their extinction once they no longer serve a purpose as food.

>>92615038
Was this written by Quinn Morgandorfer?

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>>92610617
It's very true, but it's also far-off the mark.
There's a reason artists get discouraged.

It's called reality.

>>92618324

Why did he make the "Hate" monster look more like gluttony/sloth/obnoxiousness and also grossness (because he looks like a giant booger) and not....hate/anger? If anything he should've just titled the monster as a Troll, since trolling isn't just hate. Or if it's more like entitled gross anger.....then "Entitled Anger"? (or something better than that I can't think of)

But I guess the # sign is supposed to indicated that it's Internet Hate.

>>92619087

Ah wait I'm blind.
They categorized the monster as a Level 10 Troll.

>>92617652
>Let's use art to create a robot to fight "troll critics"
>ideas dept has Gundam, Voltron, and Grimlock
>a few of the most iconically recognized robot designs
>design this garbage generic robot

>>92618476
Maybe it's supposed to be an ironic comment about how people worship celebrities?

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>>92619087
I was actually just thinking that I had gotten away with only posting 3 of the 4 pages, and hadn't summoned the forbidden one, but here I am posting the first page.

Spoilers, it's just hate-murder porn of people making trolly comments online, and then their dead bodies just merge, I guess.

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>>92612998
>That one case is an universal example but that other case is not

>>92611017
It's a comic.

If the art gives a different message than the words it's the artist's fucking fault.

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>>92619291
>Dislike something and voice why you dislike it
>Your head's gonna explode

>>92618476

I think the message is not to worship musicians and to do things for yourself/make your own dream.

Also I think it's a "We're bigger than Jesus!" joke.

>>92619291
So like. Any negative emotion or feeling is evil to this guy? Man how repressed he must be.

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>>92617189
Thing isn't bad because people are starving in africa ecks dee

>>92619214
Let's not forget that those designs were specifically created to appeal to children for toy sales. Almost all of those are literal toy commercial series and should be treated as though they have the art depth of a thimble.

>>92619215
I was thinking that. That's why I said I couldn't figure out if he meant it as a joke, but I also kind of question if maybe that's giving Zen Pencils too much credit? Also, there's literally nothing negative displayed about the church and the concept of using that quote in the way he does, actually kind of invalidates the point regardless of what he's trying to do.

>"Don't quote me like I'm special, don't regard me as god."
>Okay, I'll just draw a comic about a church that does that.
>I'll add some of the points this person has made that are good to their scriptures.
>I'll make note of the idea that all their points were valid and good.
>The church will literally do nothing wrong and will instead be presented in a completely positive light.
>There will be no real lesson to this comic as nothing will happen.
>And I'm going to add the comment this guy said to it, because he's special and it's a life lesson on par with religion, I sure do love every quote ever made by famous people.
>So inspirational!

>>92619381
>people who criticize art should be sent to the moon, squashed into paste, and used to create commentary "art"

>>92614040
10/10 crawling in my skin, these wounds they will not heal.
Down with capitalism.

Posted from my Apple™ iPad™.

>>92619517
>Let's not forget that those designs were specifically created to appeal to children for toy sales. Almost all of those are literal toy commercial series and should be treated as though they have the art depth of a thimble.
Also how Miyazaki hates the mecha genre for exactly this sort of shit.

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>>92618324
How far up his ass is the artist's head?
Does he not realize that Miyazaki would downright despise this shit?

>>92610617
>CalArts
That's where I stopped reading

>>92618324
That's the final panel? really? it's even worse than the loss edit.

>>92618324

The fact that he used a Miyazaki expy as the main character in this is embarrassing.

>>92614096
I liked the version where she goes 'hey what sort of music do you listen to?'. Makes the 'now I have to kill her' face Ronnie's got make a lot more sense.

>>92619291
The old lady gives an actual critique of a performance rather than a non-specific negative comment.

>>92614369
Because there's no fucking way to respond to someone who's essentially a legend of the industry jumping down your throat with a sob story about how your tech demo about AIs doing animation is offensive to his disabled friend. How is an engineer supposed to respond to something so completely out of left field? It's so painfully obvious that miyazaki is getting angry and making up a reason because he thinks this is a step to computers taking over more work that human animators can do.

I don't get why anyone thinks miyazaki is a good or cool person just because he makes good art. Everything I read or see about the person itself makes him look so incredibly dismissive and arrogant, it's fucking astonishing. This and the "gun otaku" spiel being the biggest offenders.

>>92622374
>the "gun otaku" spiel
He has something against guns?

>>92622423
It was in an interview where the interviewer asked him "Aren't you also an otaku too?" and he responded:

>“Otaku? The people I hate most are those gun otaku. Speaking honestly, I think they’re really low level, and out of firearm fans, the pistol nuts are the worst. They’re the ones that have the most immature character traits left over. Ha ha, don’t you agree?”

He doesn't have anything to say about guns themselves in it, but you can probably guess his opinion on them. The fact that he's so dismissive to an entire group of people over a fucking hobby he doesn't like is mindboggling.

>>92618019
Well I remember seeing weaponized shouts in Dune and that was handled ok.