Wonder Woman: Odyssey Part 2

>>92608957
I don't really understand the hatred for this run. It is mediocre at best, and the fear of this becoming the new status quo is unfounded due to it essentially being filler until the Nu52 took over.

The this evokes any strong emotion is, to be honest, silly.

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Alright, NOW let's do this

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>>92609041
I think it's quite bad tbqhwy familia, and we didn't know about the New 52 when this run started

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>>92609313
So much for saving her sisters, that's literally all the Amazons in this run dead

>>92609041
At the time it began New 52 was clearly not conceived yet.

My problem is more the reductive attitude JMS and Lee took to Wonder Woman.

All the people we hear every day saying bogus shit like "Wonder Woman doesn't have any definitive stories", "Wonder Woman doesn't have a consistent supporting cast", "Wonder Woman doesn't have any villains", "Wonder Woman should have fewer powers", "Wonder Woman is a warrior therefore she______", "Every writer always tries to throw out everything and do their own definitive take", this run is emblematic of.

It's Wonder Woman for people who don't like Wonder Woman.

>>92608957
>masterpiece

Hmmmmmmmmmm

>>92609041
>I don't really understand the hatred for this run

Try reading it. That helps.

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>>92609415
It's funny because she doesn't have a supporting cast here either, literally all the secondary characters of this story die.

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>>92609473
>Hmmmmmmmmmm
Linkara please

>>92609351
And again, the readers don't care because none of them had any personality or even recognizable quirks.

I feel like this is a recurring issue with most Amazon characters. They tend to be pretty bland most times, which probably goes back to many writers(and readers, sadly) being uncomfortable with an all female society, so they become these inscrutable, almost alien others who are all a bunch of stiffs.

Of course, it could just be good old vanilla laziness. Neglected supporting casts are a huge problem that affects many books, not just Wondy.

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I don't understand the point of Ajax

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Well that's just lovely

>>92609415
>It's Wonder Woman for people who don't like Wonder Woman.

I wish somebody actually wrote that.

I want a run where Wonder Woman is a straight up animu waifu character. I don't like any attempt to make her serious business because she's inherently goofy as a concept, and every WW comic I have ever seen is one that tries to hammer down how incredibly serious business she is. She and her inconsistent powerset and dumb lasso and stupid invisible jet.

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>Wonder Woman musn't join you! She must die!
>Why?
>Because I say so! Bye!

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>>92609615
Ame-Comi Wonder Woman isn't exactly that, but it is a pretty bad WW story so I may just run that next.

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Well of course

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I hate teasing covers like these

>>92609615
Her only inconsistent power is her lack of invulnerability which some dumb writers aren't aware of because they didn't do their research.

All of her other powers are as consistent as any other character's.

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Seems like a trustworthy guy

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Wait, what the fuck?

>>92609615
>Invisible Jet
>stupid
So which bullshit reasoning do you mindlessly parrot?
>It doesn't fit with the Greek theme!
Greek neither does most stuff in the DCU. Are going to start getting pissy that she's a member of the Justice League?

>It doesn't match the Amazon tech levels!
Eh, sometimes they have advanced tech, sometimes not. She could really get it from anywhere.

>You can see her sitting in it!
That is a non-diegetic artist convention for the convenience of the viewer, who would otherwise not know she's there, and would bitch about looking at panels that feature nothing but speech bubbles.

>But she can fly! Why does she need a plane when she can fly?
Because sometimes one needs a means of transporting cargo and/or passengers, which she cannot do on her own power. The jet also typically has instruments that let her find or analyze things. It also has weaponry like Vulcan guns and missiles if needed. And last, but certainly not least, it's INVISIBLE, and I really hope I don't have to explain why being invisible is occasionally useful.

So please, go right ahead. I've heard just about every dumb excuse a casual retard has for hating on Diana having an invisible jet plane. Ya boring fag.

>Lasso of Truth
>dumb
What?

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???

I don't like WW being able to fly. I feel it was something introduced only to show WW and SM flying hand-in-hands. There. I said it.

Bring the Invisible Jet back.

>>92610164
It's too iconic a power to remove now.

The best compromise I could think of would be for her to retain the "flying on air currents" thing but require either Hermes' sandals or the jet to travel long distances really fast.

But IMO after investing in it for over 30 years it's now become one of her key powers.

>>92610254

She could jump really high. I hope the movie help push my high-jumping-non-flying wishes.

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>a psycho, to use the vernacular
OH FUCK OFF
This is the exact same shit /tv/ makes fun of in their shitpost threads. "You're a wonder, woman!"

>>92610164
Yeah, even though I don't mind the flying, if I had to choose one or the other, I'd pick the Jet. Goddamn everyone can fly nowadays, ain't nobody but Diana has an invisible jet plane.

In fact, superheroes don't really have vehicles anymore. It's usually teleporters or super flight. More capes should have their own ride. Like, okay, it gets silly when the Flash has a Flashmobile, but still.

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>>92610286
>jump hella high
Like Wonderella?

>>92610289
Exactly. JMS takes every single trope for "modernizing" superheroes and uses it unironically.

>>92610296

The flight makes no sense to me. None of the mythical Greek heroes flew, even the demigods.

It's just something introduced to make her more like Superman, which is exactly the problem. She doesn't stand out, since she has become female Superman since the 60's, so writers are forced to amp the warrior angle in an effort to make her more different, which makes her unappealing as fuck.

>>92610286
Well she's got the ass muscles for it...

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>>92610325
Well, he was a TV writer

>>92610254
Or, you could just let her have both flight and the jet. There's really no reason why she can't have both. Hell, she had both in Trinity, and that worked out just fine.

I swear, people who bitch about the Jet are retards. You can walk, so why do you need a car? Hurp a dee derp hurp!

>>92610106
>So which bullshit reasoning do you mindlessly parrot?

It's STUPID. If this isn't immediately obvious to you, go fuck yourself, you're living on the moon and earth tastes are alien to you.

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Is that Stan Lee's Wonder Woman? Weird choice.

>>92610386
Hermes flew with his sandals

Lending them to Perseus to off Medusa is a pretty basic myth

>>92610461
Not into WW that much, but didn't she ride pegasus for a while?

>>92610461

No, only the jet! Fuck flying powers. I spit upon heroes that fly.

>>92610480

I spit upon Perseus.

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Well, that was a waste of time. Again!

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Mind you, I haven't been hospitalized since I was like 10, but I'm pretty sure they don't give you star-spangled sheets?

>>92610480
Speaking of the Perseus myth I always thought they should incorporate Hades' helm of Invisibility into the Invisible Jet

>>92610462
>It's stupid because I say so!
Yep, heard that one too.

>>92610475
Huh. Indeed, that's Maria Mendoza. Her thing is Incan myth instead of Greek, so that's something.

With her here, I'm kinda surprised Wanda(Tangent WW) isn't featured as well. May as well get em all.

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So uh, with all the crazy shit that's being going on why haven't other superheroes butted in or whatever?

>>92610495
Yeah, there was also at one point a retcon that Pegasus WAS the invisible jet and it changed form throughout the ages to match the most common form of transportation.

>>92610461
Personally, I do like both. Especially the morphing disc jet.

I get what people mean by the flight being something relatively new to the character but it's stuck around for so long now that it's become iconic to me. Lots of now iconic things were added to characters relatively recently and/or for some marketing/synergy purpose.

I'd rather they cut it out with the sword and shield than start modifying her powers to make the sword and shield make more sense or to make her less like Superman.

>>92610782

Nobody could remember she existed, actually, only Bruce managed to remember her after being possessed by the White Lantern, but when he tried to find her and protect her from Maxwell Lord she acted as a huge cunt.

>>92610855
Thanks Mr. Lord!

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hurrr Diana Prince, get it?

>>92610839

>I'd rather they cut it out with the sword and shield than start modifying her powers to make the sword and shield make more sense or to make her less like Superman.

See, that's the thing. They gave her a sword and a shield because she share too much in common with Superman.

If maybe she was a little bit different, power-set wise, maybe there'd be no need for the sword and the shield.

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DURRR DOCTOR TREVOR, GET IT???

>>92610839
>Especially the morphing disc jet.
Fuck yes, Wonder-Dome! It's like Diana has a familiar.

>I'd rather they cut it out with the sword and shield than start modifying her powers to make the sword and shield make more sense
That sword and shield are cancer.

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>>92610855
I know why no one remembers her, but that doesn't explain why no other superhero has gotten involved in this crazy shit, I mean for crying out loud some centaur with antlers and a trio of crazy women got into a fight with a super-powered woman right in the middle of a city, and no one finds this strange?

>>92610839
>>92610995

I hate the Wonder-Dome, because i'm always reminded of the arc where it came from and how Wonder Woman lusted to be Superman's Lois in the dream-world created by the Wonder-Dome and how later Wonder Woman passed her time in the Wonder-Dome destroying robots made with Superman's face because she was butthurt about being rejected by him and jealous of Lois' life.

Fuck Eric Luke.

>>92611023

Gay for Justice was happened at the time, anon.

>>92610943
>Unbreakable golden lasso
>deflecting bracelets
>Tiara boomerang

>>92611167

Which you'd hardly see her use, because instead she would tank bullets with her face and then fly to punch things.

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>>92611135
I guess? But if Batman can make time to guest-star in god knows how many titles, I'm sure the other heroes could spare a few minutes to investigate this crazy shit.

>>92611135
At least the art was nice. And Congo Bill!

>>92611243

They all got lives they've to get back to, man. Only Batman has nothing else to do.

>>92610943
But she's got stuff that sets her apart.

She's not invulnerable, she has her lasso, she has her bracelets, she fights with a wrestling style, she can commune with animals, and most importantly she's the least combative in the first place. She's a defensive and diplomatic hero.

Instead of trying to change her to be different from Superman, writers should focus on the aspects of her that are ALREADY different. That's what Simone, Perez and WML all did, even Byrne did it. Kelly did a fantastic job of it in his JLA where Morrison and Waid had done poorly. Johns understood with Flash and GL that instead of making them less powerful to make them easier to write traditional superheroics for, you should focus on what sets them apart and make it the focus. With Wonder Woman, he just looked at her, said "she's Greek" and went with that.

It's part of the paradox of the Trinity concept. They're expecting her to be as popular as Batman and Superman, when in reality her appeal is just different from them. They can set her apart from Superman by focusing on her peaceful nature.

>>92611234
It's not her fault dumbo writers don't know she isn't invulnerable.

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So this was the payoff to that little subplot. Pretty lame desu

>>92611300

>She's not invulnerable, she has her lasso, she has her bracelets, she fights with a wrestling style, she can commune with animals, and most importantly she's the least combative in the first place. She's a defensive and diplomatic hero.

See, in the optimal world that would be true, but back before Rebirth she was shown everywhere else as a invulnerable super-heroine that rarely used her bracelets and lasso, and would resolve most of the conflicts by flying like a torpedo and punching everything in her path. Her ability to talk with animals was the most obscure shit ever.

She was essentially Superman. That's why writers decided to amp the pragmatic warrior angle and give her a sword and shield. Now she appears everywhere with a sword and shield in hands.

>>92609560
>I don't understand the point of Ajax

Wile E Coyote

>>92611300

>They can set her apart from Superman by focusing on her peaceful nature.

No character can be nicer than Superman. That's his deal in the JL.

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>>92611426
Well, it's not funny then

Wonder Woman should be an ancient Greek mecha with flamethrower wrists and poison gas breath and pop out machine guns from her tits and a pop out sword from her vagina desu be honest

That would be way better and edgier and more iconic than this dumb invisible jet loving submission hippy bullshit

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>>92611535
Millar please

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Member the Green Lantern movie?

>>92611535
>>92611596

Remember when Millar pitched for DC as a joke a cross-over focused on Wonder Woman in the vein of "Death and Return of Superman", "Knightfall" and "Emerald Dawn" titled "The Rape of Wonder Woman", which would open with a 10 page sequence of Wonder Woman being brutally raped by villain, and because of that she'd be much more violent and ruthless in her demeanor.

Then next thing he knew editors were actually discussing the idea and there were even pages done for it.

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>>92611659
>there is alternate reality where this comic actually saw print

>>92611398
The good part of Byrne's autism was he stuck strictly to her powers exactly as they had been established and would remind the reader what they were constantly.

Ironically he was doing that at the same time Kingdom Come came out and popularized the sword and her being invulnerable.

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>>92611737
AN alternate reality, even

>>92611659
>Millar
>rape

I don't think that was a joke, anon.

>>92611754

Kingdom Come is really her Dark Knight Returns, huh?

>>92611535
Actually, I changed my mind, this is what Wonder Woman should be.

>>92611793

Probably not, but he was really surprised that DC was actually considering the idea and that they had even produced art for it.

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>actually showing some mercy for the mooks
Surprising

>>92611659
Um, no. I do not remember this. What the fuck?

>Then next thing he knew editors were actually discussing the idea and there were even pages done for it.
Please tell me you're bullshitting.

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Ooooh, so scary!

>>92611877

http://lostmediaarchive.wikia.com/wiki/The_Rape_of_Wonder_Woman_(Unreleased_Mark_Millar_Comic_Book_Script)

>>92611905

>"I pitched this to DC for a laugh years back. The idea was that, like Death of Superman, we had Rape of Wonder Woman; a twenty-two page rape scene that opened up into a gatefold at the end just like Superman did."

>The comic's idea surfaced around 1993, the year of the mentioned Death of Superman arc and as well as the Batman arc "Knightfall" where the Caped Crusader got his spine broken by Bane and is forced to give the cape and cowl to Jean-Paul Valley, who would later become the violent Azrael. Despite Millar saying that the story was just a joke he had made, he mentioned the fact that DC Comics was actually considering publishing the story and already had an artist draw a sketch for the comic's first page.

>This was meant to be DC's way of exploring a state of weakness to Wonder Woman in a similar vein to the Superman and Batman arcs; this comic would have served as a way to show a more aggressive Wonder Woman after suffering such acts in a similar way to the other arcs. However, the increase of rape allegations in the media and a lot of complaints in both DC's writing and art departments lead to the comic's quick cancellation.

90's, man. Helluva time.

>>92611905
Luckily instead of dying or getting her back broken she just got a job at Taco Whiz.

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Whelp, there goes Giganta

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>>92612006
I see the Contest as her Death of /Knightfall/Emerald Twilight

>>92611596
At the very least the invisible jet should also have invisible NUCLEAR BOMBS

>>92611905
I can't even. This isn't something easily forgotten, and I don't mean by a human mind.

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And this is the payoff for Ajax, pretty lame as well

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Another one bites the dust.

>>92612140

I can wish DC would have published just as a morbid curiosity.

>>92612223

Didn't Wonder Woman imply Superman raped her in Dark Knight Strikes Again with pride around about that time?

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FUCK WONDER WHORE!!!

ALL HAIL THE YAAS QUEEN!!!!!!!

#WonderBlunder2017
#CaptainMarvel2019

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Sweet Tier 10 gear, bro.

>>92612154
I think this Ajax arc is meant to be like Ajax in the Iliad (heroic and strong but weirdly pathetic and easily manipulated).

>>92612275
>eyepatch
wow they really shelled out the aurum huh

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I miss the oval symbol.

>>92612326
This is giving me a migraine

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>>92612262
wew lad

>>92609041
Honestly the only thing I don't like is they keep on killing off Amazons for cheap heat.

>>92612365
Injustice is leaking!

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>>92612280
He's not really heroic here though, is he? Just some punching bag who helps kill one of the Morrigan more out of revenge than anything else.

>>92611951
>>92611905
>pitched it as a joke
That's not funny, Mark.

From the man who brought you Trouble, ladies and gentlemen!

>>92612006
I never want to see people complaining about the Taco Whiz thing ever again. For one thing, that was actually a good story, and wasn't some edgelord nonsense.

... Twenty-two pages? That's an entire issue's work. The fuck is wrong with you?

>>92612439

>... Twenty-two pages? That's an entire issue's work. The fuck is wrong with you?

It's very French. Real character building work.

>>92612439
What, you're gonna have twenty-one pages of rape and then a cutaway on the last page?

>>92612439
Hey son I LOVE that arc. Even the stupid stuff like Ares Buchanan.

>>92612326
>>92612365
>>92612431
>>92612467

Why is Superman appearing in a Wonder Woman comic to be shown as morally superior to her yet again? Why does she always has to be taught to be a proper hero by him?

Goddamn, JMS.

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>>92612541
I think this is pretty much all Hester now.

>>92612495

Diana's fate is to become a warhawk that kills Superman for not being hardcore enough.

Kinda prophetic, really.

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This is just comical

>>92612696
Fucking Dobson

>>92611628
>Member the Green Lantern movie?

NOPE, doesn't ring a bell.
Don't know what you're talking about.

LALALALALALALALA LALALALALALALALA

>>92611905
I wanna see that first page that was drawn. Hot!

>>92612459
Shut up, Michele, you fucking hack.

Ugh, Vampyre is going to be a fucking train wreck.

>>92612498
I know, I was just saying.

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>bitch I'm a cat, and I ain't gotta explain shit
Lazy ass writing

>>92612839
HeCATe, though

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Well, of course!

>>92610147
Hey Doc Psycho, can we get a Cowgirl Wonderwoman next?

Seriously, her weapon of choice is a lasso, she blocks bullets with her bracelets, it'd be perfect.

>>92612798
Now here's the twist.
And there is a twist.
We show it.
We show all of it.
Because what's the one major thing missing from all comic books these days, guys? Full penetration.
Guys, we're gonna show full penetration, and we're gonna show a lot of it.
I mean, we're talking, you know, graphic scenes of Hercules really going to town on this hot, young Wonder Woman from behind, 69, anal, vaginal, cowgirl, reverse cowgirl All the hits, all the big ones, all the good ones.

>>92612957
Aphrodites a frizzy ginger fat bird?

>>92613056
What deft social commentary.

>>92612995

Come on, man. It wouldn't be Hercules. It would probably be a team of all the really powerful villains in DC catalog. A true gangbang to put Superman battle with Doomsday to shame.

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That is one bullshit excuse for this abortion of an arc.

>>92613056
This is Greek myth by way of wikipedia article.

>>92613133
Millar could have a field day with Dr. Psycho

>>92613232
Scene right out of most modern horror films

>>92612696
when did this become Bomb-Queen?

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I sure haven't seen this scene a million times before.

>>92613232
>>92613272
>>92613314

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4V90AmXnguw

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Like you didn't see this coming

>>92613451
I actually did not see that coming... so is there any hot ww on ww lesbo action coming up?

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>>92613527
Of course not, this comic aims to please no one

>>92612557
>Life has many doors, Ed boys.

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>>92613696
kek

>>92613527
Anon, you've given me a fantastic idea.
>The LESBIAN Rape of Wonder Woman
Someone call Mark Millar stat.

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>Your plan makes no sense!
>Stop pointing out the plot holes, bitch!

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Is it just me or is the fill-in artist here actually *gasp* decent?

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This is kinda /d/-ish

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Generic superhero fight incoming!

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FINALLY

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Seriously?
...I guess we're doing this now

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Ew.

>>92614373
I remember this cover but after years of watching camgirls ride dildos mounted to mirrors I must say my perspective on it is somewhat changed.

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Literally "if you kill her, she wins"

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ZzZzZzZzZzZzZz

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Well, that was easy.

>>92614655
fuck man way to bury the lede

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So yeah, basically this whole arc was pointless as fuck and the only thing it did was give Diana a new costume

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>>92611535
>and a pop out sword from her vagina

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_kwXNVCaxY

>>92615265
*sniff* that ending was so beautiful...

Thanks mate, appreciate the story

>>92611829
To be fair, it's not like a capebooks artist would bother resisting a chance to draw Wondy rape. It's practically rule 34 fanart.