Masters of the Universe

>>92604005

It's a shame this franchise only has a fanbase of insane reactionary men and women in their 40s and 50s who declare anything done after 1987 to be heresy. Or sometimes anything after 1985.

How someone can still idolize the Filmation cartoon is beyond me.

>>92604576
The funny thing is that Filmation is the worst MOTU series ever. It completely destroyed the entire building of an alien post apocalyptic turned to a Sword & Sorcery world, that came before, with the mini comics, the box art and the first comics. The 2002 animated series was by far superior from the Filmation cartoon. And the comics that released during the 2002-2004 and 2012-17 were great. Heck even the New Adventures is a better animated series than Filmation.

>>92604683

Pretty much, but american children can't read and only grew up watching shitty cartoons so that's the only version they accept.

Filmation has some good episodes, but the percentage of good to bad is abysmal because they shat out like 140 fucking episodes of the show with the same reused backgrounds, animation and music. Over and over and over again.

And people still say they love it.

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>>92604576
The filmation series was great and still is a good show without pink glasses.
But you are right they are too nerdy if they dont take anythin past 2000 as addition.

>>92604745
This.

Filmation had maximum 10 decent episodes (Shokoti, Dragon's Gift, the Sorceress's Origin and few others). But this doesn't mean we should oversee how bad the rest it was.

The best parts of MOTU are the Alcala/Glut minic comics, the 2002 animated series, and the modern comics from 2002 and afterwards.

>>92604785
>The filmation series was great and still is a good show without pink glasses.

It really isn't, even compared to contemporary toy merchandise shows. Filmation was exactly like Hanna Barbera, a company filled with penny-pinching jews dedicated to showering the marketplace with inferior product and getting into syndication.

There's a reason that animation stars like Paul Dini who worked for them only have scatching remarks about the experience.

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>>92604899
It was a good series. You overreact.
For what it was and aimed at the target group its really good.

And most other series at that time were mostly equal.

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>>92604576
>ttfw 24 and love he-man

I heard they were planning NOT to put skeletor in the new movie because they want to build him up like thanos

which is fucking dumb

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>>92604856
>2002 animated series

my nigga

why did it only get 2 seasons? ratings? or corporate bs?

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>>92605192
Not having Skeletor in the film, it means that the movie already lost its most popular character. Dumb as fuck.

>>92605230
One word: Toys.

Mattel fucked up the marketing with a myriad of unwanted He-Man and Skeletor variants, and the action figure line failed. As a consequence the animated series had to ended soon.

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> This thread again

Don't mind if I do.

>>92605192
>>92605280

If they do that they will have lost before they even began.

It'll be like the fucking Justice League thing where they're using Steppenwolf so they can "Build up" Darkseid.

>>92605230

It had consistently good ratings through both seasons but since the toys weren't selling Mattel decided not to go through with financing a third season. Toys which didn't sell, by the way, because Mattel famously fucked up distribution so shelves were only filled with crappy He-Man and Skeletor variants.

So who is the most popular character in the franchise?

>>92605468

Skeletor seems to have spawned the most memes.

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>>92604212

Do you have any more like this? Original art not fanart?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tk2yuCc5c-I

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>>92605399
>attel famously fucked up distribution so shelves were only filled with crappy He-Man and Skeletor variants.

SON OF A BITCH I REMEMBER THAT!

It took a fucking lifetime for me just to get basic ol skeletor, and i never had a regular he man but some shitty one with silver armor that made noise

I couldnt get shit for heman toys as a kid, so my mom ordered me a ton of the one from the old show off ebay

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>>92605543
Because you can't have original MOTU art, without the first and greatest Master, Alfredo Alcala.

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>>92605876

>>92605983
i had this it was the coolest
the teeth were rubber if i remember correctly

>>92604683
>alien post apocalyptic
Like Adventure Time?

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>>92606088
That's one aspect.

Immagine a world ravaged by wars between barbarians, wizards, warlords, gods, in order to gain controll of the greatest power in the universe. Immagine a world with snake men and goblins fighting not only with swords and axes but also with laser guns. Immagine a world where cyborg dinosaurs live side by side with dragons, giants and any kind of mythical creatures. Immagine having together the worlds created by Howard, Kirby, Burroughs, Tolkien, Lukas, Miller all in one. This is the Masters of the Universe.

>>92606088
If I remember correctly, He-Man's mother and Evil Lynn were astronauts from Earth and they crash-landed on Eternia. Evil Lynn used her knowledge of physics to become a powerful sorceress. He-Man's mom married the king of Eternia, gave birth to Adam and Adora and never did anything interesting ever again.

>>92605944

Thanks! This may be my new wallpaper.

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>>92606534
He-Man's mother Marlena is an Earth astronaut. But not Evil-Lyn. There was an intention in the first scripts, before the action figure or anything else came out, that she and Trap-Jaw where on board in the same spaceship with Marlena, but it was never became official canon. In the 80's media, Evil-Lyn was never explored, until the 2002 animated series revealed that she was an Eternian witch, daughter of the Faceless One (pic related), an ancient immortal wizard and lord of Zalesia an ancient Eternian city state, who fell in love with Keldor before he became Skeletor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Vo6YG9U_o8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WddpkmW2hBQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sufovqGQafY

>>92605192
>I heard they were planning NOT to put skeletor in the new movie because they want to build him up like thanos

But MOTU's Thanos is Hordak (or maybe Horde Prime if you wanna go that route)

That;s the guy you build up, and then force He-Man and Skeletor to join forces.

That said though, if they made the movie with KELDOR and the build up was to him transforming into Skeletor, that could be GOAT. Especially if they built up Adam's transformation, and had the two mirror each other

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>>92604576
>franchise only has a fanbase of insane reactionary men and women in their 40s and 50s who declare anything done after 1987 to be heresy

Doesn't this describe fans of all the major toy based series?

TMNT, Transformers, GI:Joe, Thundercats, any of them

>>92607139
Stop drinking that hot cup of piss you smug Luthor.

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>>92606776
You're thinking of the original concept of Beast Man. He was an astronaut on Marlena's ship that fell into a jungle when the ship crashed and he was mutated.

The huge hardcover collection of the mini comics can be found less than $20 on Amazon. It's freaking magical and weird to see how the franchise morphed so much over such a relatively short amount of time.
Like everybody having a battle cat, Skelator being a multi-dimensional conqueror and living in Greyskull, Sorceress looking like Teela's toy and all that

>>92607497
Strangely, it makes sense for the skull faced man to live in the skull castle, while the snake themed people like Teela and early Sorceress lived in the snake themed one.

Grayskull always looked really evil-ish for a hero place.

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If they make another Heman movie I want it to be another 80's Conan fest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOsHoqhbUIU

>>92607729
Having it take place on Eternia and not some suburb in Kentucky would be a huge improvement.

You think it would be easy, Eternia is 99% desert anyway so just take the cameras about 40 minutes outside LA and start filming out there with robot horses and monster people.

>>92607807
Chris Pratt would play He-Man (complete with dance-offs & 80s references) and Skeletor would be played by Adam Sandler (since it is Sony), Will Ferral could play Man-At-Arms or Fisto and Jim Carey would provide the voice of Cringer while Peter Dinklage would play Orko and the movie would be a tongue-in-cheek comedy for the most part since the producers at Sony would be too terrified to take the source material seriously: "From the studio that brought you the Smurfs comes..."

>>92607994
Jim Carey wouldn't be Orko?

Or also provide the voices for Two-Bad and Sinkor?

>>92607994
>the movie would be a tongue-in-cheek comedy for the most part since the producers at Sony would be too terrified to take the source material seriously

All the rest of what you said aside, this wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing.

MOTU is ridiculous already. And if it's played for laughs, that increases the chances of seeing Mekaneck and Snout Spout in the film.

That's what's great about MOTU, you can really go either way with it.

Of course, I do acknowledge that in practice, the humor would more likely come from typical drivel and nostalgia pandering rather than being genuinely clever. Which is a shame.

>>92606851
There is not Thanos's MOTU. There is only the top dog. Hordak killed Horde Prime. Skeletor killed Hordak. Skeletor is the top dog of MOTU.

>>92607633
Nope it's not. Skulls and snakes are just religious symbols in the MOTU mythos.

>>92608105
MOTU is not ridiculous at all. It'e an epic cosmic fantasy. Do not be confused with the crap that it is the Failmation artoon.
If they do something ridiculous it will tank really hard since this is not Disney to pay have good reviews for mediocre movies.

>>92607415
Nope all the Evil Warriors in one of the early MOTU concepts were supposed to be astronauts from Earth. But when the first official canon came this plot was abbandoned.

>>92608609
> Disney paying for good reviews

Oh go cry your sour grapes in one of the kino threads shill.

>>92608609
>MOTU is not ridiculous at all
>Stinkor
>Mekaneck
>Twistoid
>Rio-Blast
>Snout Spout
>Tunglashor
>The Meteorbs

Mattel created all that shit, not Filmation.
He-Man is just as much silly 80's cheese as it is epic fanatasy, and to pretend otherwise is you cherry picking stories and characters and otherwise deluding yourself into believing that your action figure tie-in story is anything other than that.

>>92608901
Have you ever seen the 2002 MOTU animated series?
Have you ever read any MOTU comics from 2002 and afterwards?
Do it and then we talk about what it's ridiculous.

But judging an entire franchise because of a couple of names is dumb. Or do you really believe that names like Captain America, Spiderman or Batman sound less ridiculous? Or isn't ridiculous the concept of crime fighters dressed like clowns in a modern city? At least the Eternians are aliens so the exotic and strange names make sense. The capeshit characters in Halloween customs what excuse they have? It's only because you are used to them, that you can't comprehend how ridiculous the capeshit is.

>>92609165
First off, it's not about just the names. If it was, I would have brought up Evil-Lyn, but I didn't because despite her retarded name, she has always been portrayed as a serious character

The guys I listed are a skunk man with the power to stink; an elephant headed fireman; a cowboy (in a sword and sorcery setting) full of shotguns; a froggy snakeman who licks you with a paralyzing tongue...that shit is all ridiculous in concept.

And second, why drag capeshit into it? I recognize capeshit is retarded. I would never ask for or expect an "epic serious" Spider-Man movie, because while Spidey can do serious stories, it would be shit to try and make it devoid of any fun or humor. And since the initial topic was live action adaptations, studios also recognize that fact, and that's why there has never been a completely serious cape movie. So why would I want a serious adaptation of He-Man?

I want it to embrace the absurdity, not brush it aside

>>92609314
It's not only Spiderman. It's Batman and any other capeshit character. But just try any Batman thread and tell them how ridiculous he is.

What you say as absurdity it's actually the testimony of a war ravaged world. Most of these characters that you suprficially consider the as ridiculous are actually battle hardened warriors that got injured seriously in battle. Mekaneck was badly injured in his neck, and he needed a cybernetic replacement. And any other MOTU characters like Rio Blast who was a galactic ranger tortured by the Horde at the point that he transformed to a cyborg. But apparently your knowledge about how deep the MOTU mythos is, it's poor, so there it's pointless to continue argue.

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>>92609314
Ah and Tung Lashor has a poisonous tongue, like a gila monster, and like the other Snake Men he often feeds with humans. This is a fact the 2002 animated series canon. So there is not much to laugh about, apart from his name.

Christ Almighty, this is terrifying and not Masters of the Universe at all.

But I'd watch the shit out of it.

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meant for >>92605900

>>92609812
Actually this IS Masters of the Universe, You can check it out from yourself:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaeuJyw-HGE&t=631s

Pause at 01:05.

>>92609833
The drawing it's inspired from the first sword and sorcery-like mini comics, so yes it's MOTU but based on a different canon.

>>92609914
>Snakeface

>giggling golden girl.gif

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>>92609914
OK, King Hiss taking over Snake Mountain was a legit hard PG-13.

>>92609976
He-Man mini comics, link?

But the last cartoon was like 15-ish years ago so the youngest actual He-Man fan is on average around 20. Do you think a serious reboot aimed at a more mature audience could work?

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>>92610541
Apart from a small hardcore base He-Man is a niche franchise known by few. Technically they can do an epic fantasy movie, since there are many MOTU canons, with a completely different tone the one from the other. For example all the canons from the 2002 animated series and afterwards including the comics are more serious high fantasy interepretations.

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>>92610223
Snake Face is MOTU's gorgon. Turning every living being in stone.

>>92605358
Kek, Anon.

I love the designs and ideas in this setting.

Ram Man looks like the Juggernaut.

How would you improve Mekanek?

What personalities do you imagine for the characters?

>>92615304
>How would you improve Mekanek?
Give him a cool personality and play up his role as a soldier. Maybe give him enhanced sight and hearing to go along with his cybernetic neck.

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>>92615304
Mekaneck is a good character. He was an Eternian soldier that was injured badly in the neck, so Man At Arms had to replace it with a mechanical neck apparatus. He is the Eternian warrior that he spies at the enemy's lines. He is one of He-Man's closest friends and when things with the Horde got tough, he was the only one who stand at his side.

>>92615304
He had a bit of inferiority complex, something that Count Marzo got advanced from in the 2002 animated series, but he got over it at the end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjC9JX3aPqA

Also in the old cartoon Marzo kidnapped Mekaneck's son. Those two have a long time feud.

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>>92615823
>>92616015
So I was right about him being the good soldier?
Cool.

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/toy/ says what's up.

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>>92617233
This guy's good.

>>92604120
Cool pictu
>imp
Goddammit

>>92617727
Out of the entire horde, Imp is Hordak's personal spy and a little asshole.
I think Hordak just keeps him around to troll his own forces.
He's a dick like that.

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Skeletor couldn't be the ultimate boss without a dragon as a pet.

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>>92618363
>random dragon > Panthor
Lies and slander.

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>>92618676
>Headcanon
>The serpents that compose Hsss's body share one mind
>The entity that is Hsss is the identity of that hive mind
>Idea: King Hsss uses the pronouns "we/our"
>It seems like they're using the "royal we," but it's actually due to the hivemind

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I feel like Skeletor needs some female mooks
And the Snakemen need some females period.

Like, look at the Horde. They got Shadow Weaver, yeah, but they also have Catra, Scorpia, Octavia, none of which are particularly brilliant or powerful, they're just soldiers.

Skeletor has Evil-Lyn, but he doesn't have lower level female henchmen, like girl equivalents to Beast Man or Clawful.

I'd like more of that. It seems like virtually every female villain can be summed up as "evil powerful witch."

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>>92618496
Little dragons can be nasty...

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>>92619040
There is Shokoti. But she will never allied herself with Skeletor as the awesome vampire witch she is.

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>>92619040
>>92619485

>>92619485
>Skeletor needs some low level female mooks
>posts a powerful witch who would never be subservient to Skeletor anyway

Shokoti is like the exact opposite of what I was saying we need more of

>>92618312
Where's a draw fag when you need one? /r/ing Lookee assassinating Imp

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>>92619040
As for the Snake Men, recently was introduced Lady Slither in the mini comics.

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>>92619040
>>92619718

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This seems like the thread to ask in
Scareglow - Skeletor's ghost, or ghost which is owned by Skeletor?

>>92619819
officially, he's a ghost owned by skeletor I believe

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>>92619819
Yup Skeletor completely owned him.

>>92619819
Think big.
>Karak Nul is the embodiment of fear itself.
>Skeletor cast a spell on the creature that forces it to obey him.
>The spell is tenuous and "Scareglow" struggles against it ceaselessly.
>It holds power over all fear and its ghastly light saps away the strength of its victims.

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>>92619819
And just for the history one Scareglow (not Karak Nul who is the most powerful one) attacked Batman in the crossover with DC. He-Man saved his life, while Batman was shit himself like a little bitch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhkQO2RlZRM

>>92604005
Thread needs music.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_xuE95tcccs

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>>92620167
I kinda like these ideas.

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>>92621108
Awesome.

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Why you should like Snout Spout.
>He's a fireman and a cool guy.
>Hordak tried to turn him into an evil cyborg slave, but Snout was a bad enough dude to escape.
>His cybernetics let him project high pressure streams of liquid and super heated steam.
>Also he can freeze stuff, so I guess he can fire liquid nitrogen?
>His cybernetics also make him incredibly strong and tough.
>He wields an ax like a champ.
>He's either crazy brave or bravely crazy.
>Elephants are good.

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If this doesn't bring folks back, I don't know what will.

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>>92604576
>>92604683
I dunno I started watching the Filmation series yesterday and overall am finding it pretty enjoyable

but I do agree that the Mini-Comics are the best fiction, but I do feel that if we were to get a new series any time soon it needs to hit the right balance between serious and silly, something in tone similar to Batman The Brave & The Bold or Transformers Animated or Ben 10 Omniverse would probably be a good fit

>>92608901
yeah as I said above MOTU is a franchise where you need to acknowledge both the Ultra Serious and Cornball Silly aspects of the franchise, go too far in the former and it just feels fake & tryhard, too far in the latter and you can't do anything lasting with it

>>92619040
very true, heck the Masters/Heroic Warriors could use more female members as well, not really any besides Teela or The Sorceress, at least in the main continuities(I think MOTUC introduced one or two new ones, but it is still lacking)

What kind of female characters would you like to see, thematically?

>>92628908
The only good MOTU animated series is the 2002 one. The Failmation is garbage. The 2002 show is the one that brought Eternia in the right way, abbandoning the campy and corny elements, developing the characters, adding depth to the mythos. And of course the modern comics are very good, showing how MOTU works better as epic fantasy than a silly and dumb cartoon from the 80's

Post more Sorceress

>>92605609
Kek, I had this

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No love for the Evil Mutants?

>>92631487
They aren't bad but most of them aren't as interesting as Skeletor's original crew were

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Mark Texeira after 30 years from MOTU mini comics that he draw, he did another final sketch of the awesome long haired barbarian He-Man.

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Before the Guardians of the Galaxy... There were the Galactic Guardians.

>>92631853
>>92631837
>>92631828
>>92631801
>>92631710

Why is 200X sorceress so perfect?

OG Sorceress was a meet mom figure who sat around and said cryptic things

200X Sorceress is suddenly a kick-ass fighter

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>>92631908
200X did right what the 80's cartoon did wrong. For this reason is superior from every aspect.

>>92631853

>immense magical powers
>kicks a bitch in the fucking face

>>92624782
Ok, you've won me over. Well done, anon. I am genuinely grateful.

>>92632103
Sometimes the simplest solution is the best one.

>>92632656
Thank you.

>>92621108

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>>92628908
>Filmation
I agree with you all this Filmation vs. 200x is dumb. It seems that some are really autistic about their 200x to be superior.
For me it all has bad and good aspects. And it served different purposes and approaches.

>female
Isnt this what She-Ra is for?
I mean they could be used just as good as the Horde female characters.

>>92632929
It's not autistic at all. It's simply facts. Filmation completely fucked up the original concept of Masters of the Universe from the mini comics as a Sword & Sorcery alien world, turning a great concept to something that even the 5-6 years old would consider atrocious, while the 200X it restored at the franchise its dignity and did justice with its epic tone, while gave more depth to the characters. Characters like Tri-Klops and Trap-Jaw who have been completely turned to brain dead morons by the Filmation crap, after have been introduced as freaking badasses in the mini comics. So better put out the nostalgia sunglasses and face the truth.

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>>92631487
>>92631528
That's true, but you have to admit, that the cool one is VERY fucking cool

I also feel like Staghorn would be a lot cooler if he was an actual stag, or a stag beetle, rather than just a guy wearing antlers.

And Too Tall Hoove had extending mechanical limbs, right? Let's see him in a rivalry with Extendar. That'd be neat, I think

>>92633068
>Characters like Tri-Klops and Trap-Jaw who have been completely turned to brain dead morons by the Filmation crap, after have been introduced as freaking badasses in the mini comics.

Sorry to be contrarian, but at the same time, 200x made Clawful into a braindead moron when in the FIlmation show he was actual a decently clever villain.

>>92633068
See thats what i meant with autistic,
You seem to hate it deeply and overreact.

Btw sure Filmation was more Robin Hood and for the 8-10 audience.
200X was for the older ones.

>>92633127
Clawful was about to turn in a formidable foe by Evil-Lyn in the 3rd season, but the show was cancelled. It was revealed by the producers of the series. But apart from Clawful every other character had its background story. Heck even Stinkor had a touching character development.

>>92633194
The anon is right though.
I tried to watch a Filmation episode and i abbandoned it after 5 minutes. The 2002 animated series it kept me hooked from the 1st to the final episode, and left me to want more.

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>>92604576
TV show lore was bretty gud.

>Evil Lyn and Marlena were astronauts from Earth
>Orko was from another dimension and was known as a great sorcerer; that's why his magic never worked on Eternia
>Skeletor was trained by Hordac

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still tempted to buy that Dark Horse mini collection. it's a huge as fuck HC for just 16 bucks, saw it at a friend of mine.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/1616558776

>>92632055
damn

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>>92633299
And there is nothing wrong with it. But Filmation isnt that bad as the other anon makes it.

Its different in the target group.
Filmation is tales for younger kids, hence its a little bit more naive. But not bad.
200X is for teens a Dragon Balls version more adult and a little bit darker.

Its just edgy to despise that Filmation is too kiddy like for an adult anon, so he hates it.
Thats why i get this face palm.

And i see that Filmation had triple amount of episodes than 200X. Makes you think.
Guess the 200X was too expensive to make as much as classic or She-ra.

>>92636236
Filmation even for kids's standard it's pretty much unwatchable now. On the other hand the 200X is one of the best animated adaptations ever hapoened for a Fantasy property. The difference is huge. As for the number of the episodes, this had to do with a lot of different reasons. In the 80's, was usual to do make a big number of episodes by dropping the quality od animation. In the early 00's each season of an animated series could include usually 23-25 at max. In case of MOTU the 2nd season was about to have 25 episodes as well, but because Cartoon Network did a horrible job with the hours that the series got in air, and since the action figures line tanked after Mattel's mess up with the variants, the 2nd season was cancelled prematurely. The 200X MOTU series is one of the great losts of the modern animated history.

>>92636565
And still the 200X tanked.
But an "unwatchable even for kids" show did better.

Its just buggs me that there need to be a superior or whos better war. It doesnt make sense, since there are so many He-Man series that have their own timeline.

Is there any comic series or animation from different companies that are connected?
I mean real connected, take inspiration and use some things dont count.

Guess the MvCreation Comics was the only that connected to the 200X that was made by another company?

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>>92636789
Filmation did better, because first there wasn't much of competition back then. When a more sophisticated animated series namely Thundercats came out, MOTU gone to retirement in less than 6 months. And second MOTU was a product of its time. The early 80's was the gold era of barbarian Fantasy. When the 2002 MOTU came out, barbarian Fantasy's best days have been long over. So it was much harder for it to suceed. But between these two versions, the 2002 one still holds, while Filmation is unwatchable yes.

As for other media, MOTU is offcialy a Multiverse. So appart from the 2002 Era, each animated series, comic or live action film is basically its own canon and not connected with a previous or a next incarnation. And it's better this way, since every version is accepted, and every creator that comes to work with MOTU, can do it without the necessity to follow any particular tone or canon.

>>92604092
>>92604056
it's interesting how similar the monsters are to Super Sentai designs

the artist copying the toy design 1:1 is just too funny

>>92608609
>MOTU is not ridiculous at all.
See, this sentance is just inherently funny.

>>92638025
For an ignorant abou anything MOTU related it could be.

>>92617727
To be fair he was Hordak's most competant minion in She-ra.
Not saying much but still.

>>92637168
Good point. But poor ecuse. It had good storytelling, was animelike, very mystic and lore, it should have stayed longer.

>multiverse
I meant that 200X and the comic adaption that was connected. Or arnt they?

>>92638168
It's not pure excuse. It's an explanation of why something worked back then and why doesn't work afterwards. Take for example the western films They were the hot stuff 50 years ago, but now they are almost forgotten.

No unfortunately Mattel didn't continue the 200X canon. Though the mini comics that came with the Classics line can be consider a continuation from a plot point of view.

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What medias are there?

Mini-Comics
Darkhorse Comics
Filmation Series
GoldenBooks
200X Series
Image/MvCreation Comics
Dc Comics

>>92638116
Nope, still funny.

If it makes you feel better I've never seen a piece of media that isn't a bit ridiculous, and I'd say the difference between a good story and a bad story is that the former accepts the presence of the ridiculous and the latter tries to fight it.

>>92638270
But sci-fi fantasy worked back than,
Avatar, One Piece, Dragon Ball, Fairy Tale, Final Fantasy all a fantasy with sci-fi worked over the years. You even could consider turtles as fantasy in modern times. But maybe 200X tried to hard to be adult stuff.

>>92638413
So no MOTU knowledge, just a casual. Good to know for not waste time arguing.

>>92638472
I spoke about barbarian Fantasy specifically, not Fantasy in general. Barbarian Fantasy the so called Sword & Sorcery and Sword & Planet's best days have ended with the 80's. All movies that came afterwards like the new Conan, John Carter etc failed miserably. And no the tone has nothing to do with that. Actually if it wasn't for the 2002 series's world and character building, MOTU would have been completely forgotten by now, since Filmation failed hard the test of time.

>>92638340
Basically these, plus the New Adventures animated series and mini comics, the 87's live action movie, and the 80's newspaper comic strips.

>>92638475
Why do you care so bad about whether the MOTU franchise is considered ridiculous?
Not to insinuate anything but that was my attitude when I was a 13 year old.

>>92638856
And why you bother about the contrary, if you don't know nothing about the franchise? Just move on.

>>92636789
200X only tanked because of the toyline's poor sales which Mattel was at fault for in screwing up shipments and distribution.

Filmation actually had more competition than 200X, but occurred in a market where toy-driven media was at its peak and thriving as never before or since then. He-Man was also a pop culture and media center-stone of the movement so it had success by that fact alone, not its quality in story telling. 200X came out at a time where toy makers were still trying to salvage the declining toy industry and virtually non-existent toy-driven media adaptations at that time. Same thing happened to the Thundercats remake years later (despite it's writing suffering after the promising first episode), then again Thundercats was far more remembered for its syndication rather than it's toyline which was only a single wave.

tl;dr, Filmation's success was due to the time and place, not it's quality, just as 200X's being dropped despite having strong ratings was due to bungled toy sales, factors completely immaterial to it's quality.

>>92638906
Because I'm curious and that atitude isn't one I've seen irl in a long time.

And while yes, I'm not the biggest fanboy out there, I've read through a chunk of the comics and the filmation series and think the franchise is pretty great and has a lot of interesting and creative ideas. So I'm glad to see a MOTU thread turn up once in a while.

So again, why do you care so badly about the idea that 'MOTU' is ridiculous?

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>>92639563
Because apart from Filmation it's not. It's like Warlords of Mars but with a Kirby's cosmic twist. It's an entire fictional Universe with a rich mythology behind it. But if you had watched the 2002 animated series, and had read the modern comics, you would already know this.

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>>92639827
I love that map.

>>92638340

There's the UK comic which produced the most printed media for MOTU until the DC comics recently surpassed it. It ran for 55+ oissues plus specials, spin-offs and annuals.

>>92639827
>It's like Warlords of Mars but with a Kirby's cosmic twist. It's an entire fictional Universe with a rich mythology behind it.
But that is ridiculous. Brilliant and ridiculous. So goes for the modern comics.
What's the problem with that?

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>>92640283
Did you find the modern comics ridiculous? The Eternity War especially?

Thanks anon. Now i know that you didn't read them.

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>>92640425
Awwwww yis.

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>>92638340

--- Original (DC) ---

Wave 1 Mini-Comics (1981)
Wave 2 Mini-Comics (1982)
DC Limited Series (1982)

--- Classic (Filmation/Mattel) ---

Filmation Animated Series (1983-1985)
Golden Books (1983)
Wave 3 Mini-Comics (1983)
Wave 4 Mini-Comics (1984)
She-Ra Mini-Comics (1984-1986)
Wave 5 Mini-Comics (1985-1986)
Wave 6 Mini-Comics (1986)
Marvel Star Comics (1986-1987)
UK Magazines Comics (1986-1990)
MOTU Classic Mini-Comics (Darkhorse 2011)
MOTU Classic Mini-Comics (DC 2012-2014)

--- Roger Corman ---

Live Action Film (1987)

--- New Adventures of He-Man ---

Mini-Comics (1989)
Animated Series (1990)

--- 200X ---

Animated Series (2002-2004)
Image/MvCreation Comics (2002-2004)

--- Modern (DC) ---

DC Comics (2012-Present)

>>92638574
New Conan and John Carter failed because they were without a soul and a good advertisment.
Otherwise the He-Man film in 87 should be a success, but it wasnt really He-Man.
Problem here is that they dont take off, because too much money is shot into these projects, but plot or film isnt what it should be.
And Sword and Sorcery or Sword & Planets are in tv series very popular, like the examples i wrote.
You even could add Adventure Time or Attack on Titans, because they fit into this genre too.
But still 200X needed to rely on toys to be published. But She-Ra which toys didnt sold well got even more episodes than 200X. Guess Filmation did much better than the new one.

But i hope you see, that its ridiculous to compare classic with new. its a different approach and maybe time.

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>>92638681
You are right. Forgot the movie and Newspaper.

>>92640260
Didnt knew that

>>92642125
Thats a cool list, thx.
That reminds me that i forgot here in germany we had a long audio book series.

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>>92643069
We had these books too.
Dont know which international/american publisher made these.

>>92642718
You clearly have no idea what Sword & Sorcery or Sword & Planet actually is, if you bring Adventure Time or Attack on Titans as examples of this genre. Conan and John Carter which are the typical examples, both tanked. The barbaric Fantasy is not popular anymore.

Filmation's episodes have been produced in a different way from the 2002 cartoon, which was on Cartoon Network, and all we know how it cancelled other good series, apart from MOTU. But if we are talking with that logic, considering the chronological endurance, then the modern comics that have been out for 6 years now, they should be considered more successful than Filmation which did well only for a couple of years.

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>>92642125
Im curious, i had these small tpb with rather funny/slice of life stories. They felt like japanese stories. Must be published early.

Anyone knows or might have an idea?

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>>92604153
>>92604177
The backgrounds of these were always my favorite part of the art. Such a sense of wonder and exploration!

>>92643155
>Sword & Sorcery or Sword & Planet
I do, thats why my examples fits.
But you dont or at least thinks, because its with planets, there have to be a planet than just a anachronism with swords and sci-fi.
Or if there is just one higher technic than medieval and sorcery it automatical cant be sword & sorcery.

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>>92643613
Ok let me explain to you. Attack on Titans it happens on Earth, so automatically it's not Sword & Planet, and it has not wizards and barbarians so it's not Sword and Sorcery. Adventures Times has nothing to do with barbaric Fantasy either. If we are talking about Sword & Sorcery and Sword & Planet, in terms of animated series or films, we have MOTU, Thundarr, Blackstar, Fire and Ice, and in a certain extension, Thundercats in part. So if you want to see how barbaric Fantasy characters should like, well here take a look.

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>>92644014
Attack on Titan is never said to be on earth. Or do you have some source? As far as i know its never said its earth. Ok it never says its not. But its fits the term.

And now to be clever, than men-at-arms kinda dont fit this barbarian theme, so motu cant be barbarian. Or can it? And Thundercats you consider to fit at a certain extension? But you wont consider Adventure Time?
You think too narrow. You sound like Sheldon. I bet if i ask you to give me a tape, you will ask me what kind of tape.

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>>92644492
I believe that you try to shoehorn things that have nothing to do with this genre. I semplify it further. Take as example the Warlord of Mars. They are basically barbarians with advanced technology. This is exactly the same case with the Eternians, and MAA. This is called Sword & Planet. If you find me one picture of Attack on Titan, on Adventure Time that fits in, i will agree that they are Sword & Planet or Sword & Sorcery.

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>>92644741
I just see that some things like Adventure Time is a mix that it can apply to several genres.
There are several pics and story arcs that fit very well.
I think its kinda hard to apply it since its post apocalyptic, have urban things or societies in it.
But the overall premise fits these terms.

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>>92644741
Its like the premise, its should be earth, but its like a planet of its own.
Finn is like the only human on a medievil or barbarian planet with magic and science. And many anachronisms that are part of the world.