THATS ALL?!?!?

>>92590236
Shitty writing, innit?

"Without Aku... I would have never existed."

- Ashi's last words

>>92590236
She should have started to disappear in the time portal. They could have drawn out the portal as long as they wanted to explain everything. And maybe had Ashi realize Jack will always be successful with killing Aku as long as he goes back, so just letting him back into the past erases her. Then just as they exit it Ashi disappears and Jack leaves it on his own

>>92590236
How would Jack even remember her if she is not supposed to exist?

>>92590825
>Time has lost its effect on me.

>>92590236
Just pretend that part didn't happen

Or headcanon her revival by Ra, Odin and Rama. Seriously, guys are dicks. They let Jack suffer for 50 years, and that's not even mentioning the 2000+ years of Aku ruling the galaxy and torturing billions. Least they could do was bring back the hero's waifu.

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If Ashi never existed then why does Jack remember her?
If Jack undid the future that is Aku then where did the Jack Aku sent into the future in the finale end up going?
If the future is good now then how did Jack come back to kill Aku if Aku was already dead?
If the bad future ceased to exist then how did Jack get back if there was no Ashi?

>>92590940
Agreed entirely.
The reason Ashi fell was because she felt a baby kick. She was helped up, regained herself, and proceeded- feeling even happier.

>>92590991
A baby wouldn't kick until she had a biiiiiiig belly, though.

>>92590847
>not supporting her head
Come on, Jack!

>>92591007
Jack's kids got good genes.

>inB4 Scotsman: "Funny how tha' all wearin' dresses! HAHAHAHA

So all of jacks friends in the future will never exist.

>>92591077
This is why the timelines should have been separate. Defeat both Akus and then both timelines can rebuild and prosper.
Hell then people from the future could have come back through portals and attended Jack and Ashi's wedding.

>>92591071
>Emperor talking to the Scotman
>"It is a ceremonial robe. You, however, appear to be wearing a skirt."

>>92591272
>"What dij'ya ta me you silk wearin'...?"

>>92590236

an open ended finale like in the comic would have been better than what we got.

>>92590847
Alright, so I'm trying to understand this bullshit past rushed ending. So when Aku was killed she initially felt Aku die. That's when she started to stop existing and then it just so happen that during the wedding the undoing the evil that is Aku is complete and all traces of the Aku future is deleted from all time?

It felt really stupid with her fading out like that after spending enough time for all the elite warriors of the world to gather.

And while I'm ranting, doesn't she immediately doing the time portal to the past felt waaaaay too fast? I get that from a story perspective but the writting felt really rushed there too. Was hoping future Aku would go back too and then we have a double Aku fight. After Ashi joined Jack there's been a definite lack of good fights.

>>92591826
>spoilers
fuck you mate

>>92590940
this is guardianfags levels of autism

>>92590386
>your dying words to your lover are fucking exposition

hilariously bad

>>92591988
It was pretty rushed and pretty shit. It's also an almost shot by shot ripoff of the infamous wedding scene from Gurren Lagaan.

I hope the rumor about the DVD release having an alternate ending is true. This shit was so beneath the series it's not even funny as a joke.

>>92591826
MOMMA

>because he dies in all timelines when killed (otherwise he could just send himself into the future from before Jack killed him)

Guess what, you thought about this more than Genndy did.

>>92590236
There's gonna be an hour long episode/movie thing with a better ending.

>>92593119
Post a source right now or I will devote my life to training scorpions to climb through your window and sting your balls until you die.

>>92591826
>Ashi died because she was half Aku, and with Aku dead half of her essence was gone, causing her to go with it eventually
Berger

The show should have ended with jack stuck in the future, but with Aku finally defeated.

>>92592824

Where is this rumor? I'm googling it, but finding nothing.

>>92593579

I wanted that. It sends a good message; you can't change the past, but you can make the best of the present. There's always hope, even in a bleak world like Aku's.

>>92591826

3312kjbkyd.vjk

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>>92591826
shit explanation shit spoiler

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Jack saved Lulu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiK_CwtCXaQ

>>92590825
Homura remembered Madoka

I didn't even get the satisfaction of Ashi dying. Being uncreated doesn't count. Fuck you, Genndy.

>>92592824
>I hope the rumor about the DVD release having an alternate ending is true
Source on this? First I've heard of it.

Jack should have killed his parents

>>92593901
The comics literally did this to a T, just without Ashi existing.

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>>92590236
>Nia's last words to Simon were that she loved him and how their love is eternal
>Ashi's last words to Jack
>"Oh shit, I'm dying because Aku's dead."

LMAO

>/co/ now pretends to like the ending of TTGL

>>92591826
fuck you

>>92591826
fuck you.

>>92591826
Obligatory fuck you anon.

>>92594168
was it ever a hated ending? I mean I don't think I've ever seen it discussed on /co/, y'know, because it's technically off-topic.

I always thought it was a fitting ending but nothing spectacular, though it seems like kino in comparison to the shallow aping of it we got in Jack.

>>92594168
>/co/ is one person

>>92591826
AAhh

>>92590236
>Still make Jack suffer for no real reason
>Ashi basically pulled Road Runner logic by only fading away when she knew she was supposed to
>Jack still remembers her despite her never existing
>Last moment is a symbolism that only popped up a few episodes earlier
>Ashi had such little development that her death felt hollow and emotionless
>"Oh yeah, I have Aku's powers!" is how Jack gets to the past

Man, I really tried defending s5 because I've loved the show for so long, but that was a major letdown.

>>92594044
i also want to know but by rumor anon probably meant "i saw someone saying they wish this happened"

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Jacks benis will never slide into Ashi's vagoo

>>92594764
>I am an individual

>>92591988
I'm actually disappointed and I feel I've been played. I knew 10 episodes will just rush everything but come on. They could had done with better pacing and wasting less time in irrelevant shit.

They went with AS for and darker and edgier series to put an ending like that? I wish Genndy had just turned down 10 eps and leave it as it was rather than give this ending. It just felt incredible meh.

>>92591826
Go fuck yourself

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>>92591826
go fuck a horse

>>92591826
faggot

>>92590236
Fuck, not even a "I love you" or "thank you for everything"

>>92590236
Adult swim: Yup, now watch our Carl's Jr commercials and praise Genndy on his Twitter.

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Anyone have the final updated version of this?

>>92591826
fk u

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>>92595267

>>92595466
WHERE'S MY APRIL FOOLS? REEEEEEEE
Neat, thanks

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>>92591826
Please don't.

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>>92590236
>>92590847
>"How about a smooch for good old Scaramouche, babe?!"

>>92594942
They were together for years before getting married, Jack sheathed his sword at least once

>>92595719
>the day after defeating Aku ashi had to get that black aku suit off of her
>but this time jack helped

>>92591826
Fuck yourself

>>92595692
the little smile jack has tickles me

>>92590236
They should have just gone with it at that point

Why would you wait what was probably MONTHS to set up a wedding and shit, and then suddenly disappear

Either have Ashi disappear right as Ashi is killed or just not do it at all. Fucking hell Genndy

>>92594886
The ladybug was literally one of the first things Ashi saw of the outside world, and one of the things that convinced her not all was bad- the final moment's far from "a few episodes earlier".

Everything else is absolutely right, though.

>>92592667
Shit thats horrible

Really, my whole problem with the series is that at times Gennedy seems to focus more on action and set pieces over stuff like characterization or plot. I did like this season over the other ones though due to actually having structure.

>>92591826
mods.

Genndy cannot write endings. I love you, Genndy, but goddamn.

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>>92591826

>>92590236
did he at least get his dick wet

>Gotta get back, back to the past
>said every episode
>Jack finally gets back to the past
>wtf he went back to the past
>wtf I hate Genndy now
This is /v/ level shitposting. Fucking pathetic

>>92590236
It was done this way on purpose. Genndy REALLY fucking wanted to twist the knife in our hearts.

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He didn't even need to go back to the past 2.bh

I feel like it would have worked better if Jack accepted that he could never go back to the past (because you can't change the past, yadda yadda) and killed future Aku and made the future without Aku a world worth living in.

So EVERYTHING we just saw in Season 5 is now null and invalid

>>92591826

Hm...

>>92595692
>Whip it out, babe.

>>92590236
>Without Aku Ashi would have never existed
>Without Ashi Jack never would have got back to the past
>Show didn't end with Jack's past crumbling on his wedding day as he fell back into the future
>Jack didn't fall right into Aku's Throne room
>No "HAHAHAHA! FOOOOLISH SAMURAI WARRIOR! YOU CAN NEVER ESCAPE THE FUTURE THAT IS AKU!"
>No attempted Seppuku before Jack remembers the sword can't harm the innocent

WHERES MY BAD END DAMN IT?

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>>92590386
So Jack basically fucked Aku

>>92595719
>sex before marriage

>>92590940
>asking for a literal deus ex machina

Just give up

I don't think this could get any worse

Why are people trying to hate the ending so much?

>>92596278
Yes, that is what I am implying.

I just realized Ashi is a deus ex machina now Im fucking mad.

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Episode 10 was an absolute 10/10 until Ashi appeared on screen. Fuck i have never seen a show ruined by one character faster than that.

>>92596305

Combination of several people having certain expectations of what should have happened in specific ways and are assblasted at the fact that exactly what they had imaged in their head has not what ended up transpiring.

>>92597071
Yet too many people jack off the retarded regular show ending because of a fucking bowe song.

>>92597096

People are just not willing to accept something they think is perfect isnt always perfect.

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>>92590940
>>92590825
>>92590236

>>92596278
more like tender, sweet lovemaking

>>92596305
Because all the characters we actually CARE about get a bad ending or an ambiguous, unknown one at best. Jack and Ashi going back was definitely better for the world (and planets beyond Earth), but the people the viewers cared about got shafted in the end.

>>92596305
Believe me, it's not taking much effort on my part

>>92590386

Ashi?

Who is Ashi?

>>92597236
The scotsman was fucking dead. Who else is left?

Who the fuck is there to care about? People only gave a shit about Jack and Aku. It was a great ending.

>>92597294
>He didn't care about the little girl being haunted by that demon thing
>The jump good chimps
>The spartans
>All of the scotspeople
>The SA MOO RHAI
Fuck the ravers though. I'm glad they're gone.

>>92597376
They'll be reincarnated with better lives.

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>>92590971
the more I think about it the more fucked up it is.

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The tree Jack is standing under is shaped like half a heart.

>>92597397
You know, I bet that's something that people would love to see in the series finale. We'll finally get some closure! I can't wait!

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>that ending
>destroying jack happiness
>killing jack's love in the worst moment possible for no reason

i will never you forgive genndy...

>>92597458
As much as I thought the last few minutes of the episode were rushed, this image still fucks with me.
I can't tell if it's just sadness that it's over or some kind of lack of closure, but looking at it is like, goddamn, is Jack even gonna be okay?

He smiled, but he still doesn't seem happy.

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>>92597376
I am Genndy and you fags wanted an ending, well now you got one.

>>92597071
>Certain expectations

damn right. I had certain expectations when it came to Samurai Jack, for one I expected good writing which doesn't mean "muh headcanon" and it's not "hard" to hate what we got which was a bunch of forced cliche contrived bullshit.

>>92596305
I realize it's difficult to see any perspective aside from your own but nobody has to try. The whole thing was rushed (and I mean the entire season) and the ending was predictable as fuck.

>>92596305
I tried to like the whole season really hard. I gave it as many chances as I could, even after the pacing issues became obvious halfway through. I only really loved 1-4, but I still enjoyed or tried to enjoy the later episodes.

but that last episode was crushingly disappointing and unsatisfying. they took a finale that people have been waiting 13 years for, and shoved it into the last 5 minutes of an episode. I don't have to try to hate it, it was genuinely handled terribly.

I don't even dislike ashi as a character, but with 10 episodes left she just turned out to be such a giant waste of precious time.

>>92597500
He can't really be happy being alone, I guess, but at least he knows that between him and Ashi, they've managed to preserve the world they both wanted to see thrive.

Jack's waited a lifetime before, and he can again before he's reunited with her in death.

>>92597604
>reunited with her in death.
Can't die if you don't exist.

>>92597620
I refuse to believe that Ashi gets complete annihilation.

God dammit I'm still mad

>>92597643
Whatever helps you sleep at night brah.

>>92597657
I mean, that'd be almost as much evil bullshit as Jack still being immortal. They gotta cut these two SOME slack, right?

Right?

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>>92590386
Not even an "I love you". That's gotta sting for ol' Jacky boy.

>>92597677
Buddy, they couldn't even cut Jack enough slack to let Ashi stay around. The sooner you face reality, the sooner you can move on.

>>92597690
She gave him his heart's desire at the cost of existing and intended to marry him before time caught up and hit backspace.

That's a 'I love you' for you.

>>92597195
>implying Jack isn't going full smashy ashi

>>92590971
Thats why you DONT actually get back to the past in a story written for kids. Its hard to make all ends meet.

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I thought about this recently, and I really think this season would have done better as something else entirely, even with 10 episodes. Hear me out.

>Have Jack and Ashi forced to team up in like, episode 2. Get it done REALLY early, but don't have them grow on each other in the span of one episode.
>Force them to travel together. Ashi still wants to kill Jack but she has a will to live and needs him to survive.
>Then, put them through like six episodes of regular Samurai Jack adventures. Basically one-off stuff, like the old style. Give each episode its own visual and narrative style.
>Have their relationship develop naturally instead of just "muh ladybug, I guess I'm not evil anymore."
>You can still have the plotpoint about Ashi meeting people Jack has helped, but have her ACTUALLY watch him save people and even take part in it.
>Have her see Aku's evil first hand instead of second hand accounts of it.

Have episode 9 as the big battle between Jack and Aku, then episode 10 as an epilogue so that the ending doesn't feel so rushed.

Also, what the fuck was up with the wolf thing? I was positive the wolf would come back and save Jack in the final battle but he just never did.

>>92597710
Guess we'll find out if Genndy ever does a post-finale Q&A, but I don't think he will.

>>92597657
Under the show's rules Ashi cannot be totally erased.
If you want to play with paradoxes then you have to acknowledge all the others. Ashi should not has disappeared, after a delay or at all, or if she did then Jack would have no way to get back to the past since then no one sent him.

You play things fully through and apply the rules we know and it looks like:
>Jack is flung into the future by Aku
>Jack is supposed to be sent back by Ashi
>Aku was supposed to be killed in the past
>No Ashi
>Jack was still sent into the future by Aku
>Since there's no Ashi, Jack was never sent back to kill Aku
>Jack is still in the future
>Aku wins
What we got is some kind of bastardized and explainable conclusion that people have every right to ignore if they choose to do so.

>>92590971
Because time travel doesn't make sense.

>Didn't end with Jack returning home to find Ashi
>They stare at eachother for several seconds
>Cut to black
>"EVERYB-"

>>92591166
But wouldn't he have to kill his other self? Or am I just misunderstanding?

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>>92597710
To hell with that. After the credits role, my mind takes over. Jack goes on a new quest to get Ashi back. Plain and simple. Whenever things get bad, he always finds a way.

>"It always seems bad at first. But then, I find a way. I always have."

>>92597809
Whatever aids your nocturnal slumber, friend.

>>92597773
So then writers need to stop fucking using it and hinging things they expect the audience to be emotional about on it.
I've grown so tired of stories that try to be tragic but can't explain why or that contradict themselves. Are consistency and reasoning lost among writers? Do they just try to get tears out of viewers and disregard their own established facts?
If so, it cheapens the experience and makes me feel more disappointed/annoyed than sad.

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>>92597815
Amen, brother.

>>92597824
It helps me sleep plenty soundly, friend.

>>92597753
I'd rather they just realized there wasn't enough time to make some shallow plot device waifu relevant and instead focus on the characters they already had.

Jack got one short, emotionless conversation with scotsman, his best friend, moments before he ceased to exist.

>>92597861
>Do they just try to get tears out of viewers and disregard their own established facts?

Yes. There started to be a push against happy endings basically, and no real idea why. I guess writers feel that making something sad, even when it doesn't fit, somehow gives more weight to shit.

>>92597888
I dunno, it was very much in the vein of their second meeting, a sort of casual friendliness.

I don't like that Jack got no sort of closure with the future peoples, a chance to say farewell or thank you. In the context of the narrative it makes sense that he didn't (Ashi gave him zero chance, and you can't exactly blame her), but it still sits sour.

>>92597861
Your opinion is 100% correct.

Genndy said that Jack eventually meets Ashi in the afterlife again.

Except she's black now and has a fat ass

>>92597942
I imagine the thought process is something along the lines of emotion=depth.

>>92597888

>best friend

I thought this too, but after thinking about how fucked up the ending was, I realized -

Jack met most of these people once or maybe 3-4 times in the case of the Scotsman, then didn't see them for 50 some years.

>>92590236
I would have been satisfied if she disappeared right after they defeated Aku, and jack had to walk back alone, victorious yet ultimately defeated, then he went into the forest, sat under the tree, and the ending commenced like normal.

Despite everything else, I would have been completely satisfied.

I can't see how anyone was satisfied with this ending.

>>92593801
It wasn't even close for shot for shot. It hit on the points that the bride vanishes during the wedding and that's it

>>92590877
Keked and checked

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>>92597971
Classic Genndy

>>92597767
Reading this may have given me cancer. I hope you get raped by a giraffe you massive autistic fuckstick.

>>92597971
To which Jack replies "YEEAAAAAHHHH BAYBEEEEE"

Not gonna lie, Jack basically pulling a Rance of Aku would have been hilarious

>>92596512
this

I was a Jashi shipper but this shit still pissed me off.

He fought Ashi more than he fought Aku.

>>92597998

>Ashi grabs Jack and opens the portal before anyone can think about it, as happened.
>Jack slays Aku in the past, keep this brief - we know Jack can be Aku and Aku is already weakened
>Brief moment of exultation as the pair leave Aku's collapsed citadel
>Ashi stumbles, then falls
>She can feel herself fading, and says as much as Jack rushes to her - we don't need to explain if it's time paradox or Aku being dead, doesn't particularly matter, and tangling with time travel questions is a rabbit hole not worth going down
>Jack cradles her, guilt warring with panic, maybe he pleads with her not to go or to keep living, don't oversell it - tragedy and comedy stand on a razor edge
>Ashi comforts him, thanks him for saving her life, thanks him for loving her, tells him she loves him, and asks him for a farewell kiss
>Jack goes to comply, but
>She's gone as his lips brush hers
>Lingering shot of Jack alone on his knees in Aku's wasteland as the sun comes out

>A brief montage of Jack returning home
>But what is initially joyous becomes confusing and then somber as Jack's family and subjects see that he has gone through some unspeakable ordeal
>Montage continues - show signs of the kingdom being rebuilt, but Jack keeps to himself as the seasons pass, back turned on the world
>Perhaps show he's been occupying himself with wood carvings of his friends from the future. A few lingering shows on more prevalent ones. There's a conspicuous empty space at the center. That one is Ashi's. He still can't give in to her just being a memory.

>Cut to the tree scene
>Jack sits, sombre and alone, until a ladybug lands on his finger
>Tears well in his eyes, and then a small smile
>Jack stands and looks out on the land, letting the ladybug go
>This is a world Ashi would have loved
>Fin

My two main complaints with the ending:
1. The sword can now kill Aku, without any explanation for what has changed from when Jack's dad tried to do it and could only seal him away
2. Ashi survives Aku dying...just to die right after from her timeline being retconned out of existence. Not only is it unsatisfying, but the delayed time travel wiped-out-from-existence thing seems so archaic.

>>92598051
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuoASyPbbhc

>>92598036
You can't have your cake and eat it.
Either the timelines are a multiverse and changes in one do not effect the other (Aku is destroyed in the past but Ashi can still live since the future Aku impregnated(?) the mother), or they are one and rely on continuity (Paradoxes apply, without Ashi, Jack cannot get back.)

There is way too many small to medium sized flaws that, together, ruin the experience for me. Maybe its just me, but i think i would been able to push those details aside if we had a happy ending.
"Fuck paradoxes and good writing, jack manages to get what he want, lives happily married and the guys in the future still magically exist with better lives. Its finally over" would be something i would accept.
But no, we had to get a bittersweet (more bitter than sweet, really) ending that tries to be too serious for this 15 year old kids story. Then we start looking at things that let to this sad "serious" ending and start finding a lot of poor written moments, paradoxes and nihilistic implications.

Was fucking with the characters so bad worth your so desired bittersweet ending, genndy?

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>>92598092
Wait a fucking minute...

>>92598092
Worth noting for all the people who bitched about Jack not killing the master bounty hunters even though he used his sword that in this scene from S1 he was already skilled enough to apparently incapacitate people without killing them using the sword.

>>92597643

Why wouldn't she?

Had Jack remained in the future, all of the people from the past would be dead, but they still get to be spirits that were properly avenged.

But all of those people from the future, Ashi included, don't get to be spirits. Because in the ending we go, none of them existed in the first place.

>>92591988
The whole season felt crammed. could have easily had enough material for 15 or more episodes. I guess there were budget constraints. Genndy pulled it off well enough. I'd go as far as to say it's on par with the original seasons (which speaks more of some faults of seasons 3 and 4 than season 5)

For the last episode, I really liked the final scene, but the wedding should have been completely reworked

>>92597956
>I don't like that Jack got no sort of closure with the future peoples
yeah, this is the one didn't I didn't like

>>92593579
Honestly I can't decide. I can see good things from both betting back to the past and staying at the present

>>92598114
The jack that was sent to an aku-less future became a fat cartoon animator.

So what the deal with the roman numeral episode titles, that weren't correct?

>>92595944
Yeah but this was literally never shown to have been a thing Jack knew about so him reacting to the lady bug at all was fucking ham fisted bullshit.

Has Jack ever loved someone who wasn't Aku?

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Did she know even then?

>>92598506
Like which one? I dont remember seeing any

>>92598506
The gap is to stylistically imply how many adventures happened in the time gap.

They're numerals to avoid spoilers.

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>>92590386

Should have stuck with the original script imo, telling him that the universe won't end, not after everything he's done.

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>>92598533
Oh she knew. And she wanted to marry Jack before she disappeared. But alas, Jack's virginity must be kept.

>>92598533
What's an even bigger fuck you was that she collapsed right after the fight and I feared she was about to die or fade away. But then she said she was fine and smiled.
...only to disappear on what's supposed to be a happy day. Bullshit ending.

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>>92598785
Hopefully Jack never connects the dots on why she instantly chose to TWORE open a portal. That'd be the wound opened fresh again.

It's galling that even in death, Aku does deal the last wounds of this series.

>>92598814
I guess she just couldn't hold it together any more.

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>>92598865
Begs the question. Would you save the world if the consequences of your action would be to remain a perma-virign?

>>92598915
Who the fuck am I saving it for then?

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>>92597458
For comparison, here is (the same?) tree from E5.

>>92598915
Jack's a crown prince, a friend to rulers across the globe, a badass, and a good looking dude. I'm sure he could get any woman he wanted, except the one woman he wanted.

Wonder when dad raises the issue of a political marriage to continue the dynasty?

>>92596188
No, Aku's daughter.

>>92590971
>If Ashi never existed then why does Jack remember her?
She did exist. Then she ceased to exist. That's not the same as never existing at all.
>If Jack undid the future that is Aku then where did the Jack Aku sent into the future in the finale end up going?
He went to future and came back. It's not that hard.
>If the future is good now then how did Jack come back to kill Aku if Aku was already dead?
The future wouldn't be good unless Jack went back to his home era to kill Aku. Are you retarded?
>If the bad future ceased to exist then how did Jack get back if there was no Ashi?
Because the way time works in the Samurai jack universe is that it's linear, Jack was taken from the past and transplanted into the future, then he went back in time and rewrote the future by killing Aku. I feel like you post this shit not because you're actually curious but because you feel obligated to share how little you understand about the idea of time travel and occurrence.

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remember /co/

jack killed the existence of hundred of innocents when he killed aku

My ideal ending for Samurai Jack is Ashi fading out of existence but there's a really fucked up fetus inside of her wedding garment.

>>92591166
That would mean that there are multiple universes in Samurai Jack which feels kind of like a cheap way to get more seasons about how Jack now has to travel to other universes to help his near identical other Jacks with defeating their Akus.
>>92597790
No, the timeline in Samurai Jack is linear and there is only one universe, so he wouldn't have to meet multiple versions of himself.

>>92599088
Every second you spend not cumming inside a woman is you killing an innocent baby.

Hmmmmmm

>>92599114
We already have space for more seasons with the way the episode numbering skipped.
But do we want that?

>>92599127
Sounds logical to me.

>>92599127
but one sperm cell only gets to fertilize the egg

the others still die
its barely any different

>>92599088
He saved the existence of billions, even potential trillions more tho depending on the body count of Aku's reign in the universe.

>>92599088
seeing the dogs and robots die on screen made me so sad

>>92599138
No, a nihilistic spiral into suicidal despair, bracketed by an immense failure and impending heartbreak? Too depressing to watch. I just hope they clear up a couple of lingering questions about what happens after the finale.

>>92599171
Every time you jerk off you are killing the strongest sperm cell of those barracks.

Too bad women's retarded eggs can fuck up men's sperm with shit like autism and defects.

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>>92599176
>the robots stoically accept death without the slightest sign of fear

>>92599172
he banished them into in-existence

they were trying to survive under aku's rule and this is the ending they got

>>92590236
You people need to see this from an adult perspective.

The attachment you have to the cast of the original run is evidence that this show is impactful you because you grew up with it and/or its generally a work of art and a great show as well. Either way, you care more about their lives, some small yet significant amount of people with newfound hope rather than anyone else who suffered from Akus wrath.

Millions of lives were destroyed. Cultures and peoples decimated. Suffering of unprecedented proportions for eons.

This was one of the worst possible outcomes for humanity and life in general but you're too sentimental towards the only lives you saw presented to you because the show is a master of storytelling, and ill give you that, but stop and think of it from an outside perspective. A simple matter of numbers if you need to

To undo the future that is Aku is to restore balance to the world and save humanity. Thats what Jack knew from the very start. Its what he said all the time and was mentioned in the opening intro and the god damn song as well. This is from the responsible and noble viewpoint.

This is not even mentioning Jacks own family, people, and culture as well.

>>92590236
>>92599255
What makes the last scene pretty fucking sad but very touching and heartwarming is that Jack touching the ladybug again makes him realize a small truth. Not something that can make the pain go away but something that helps him heal.. Is that he remembered Ashi valued life and life's beauty in nature. And as he waves off the ladybug he sees the sun melt the fog and illuminate the valley of trees. Beautiful, and as real as he described them to Ashi, who imagined a reality so pure and bliss when she envisioned it in ep.5. And its the very same valley he took her too to see the one tree Aku left as a sign of his destruction.

He stands underneath it and realizes this is truly a world Ashi would have wanted to live in. Something she never had growing up in a life of pain and abuse and misery. A life dedicated to killing him. And sure enough, she ended up saving him instead. Because he saved hers. She was doomed from birth and yet he broke through to her and showed her a whole new reality. One of love and freedom. See it as living on borrowed time if you will. But she would have given her life for his because of this. For this reality Jack sought all those years.

And that gives him peace

>>92598881
"I refuse to be a part of this shitshow of a finale. If you need me I'll be...somewhere. Bye."
I'm sure Jack joined her after the credits rolled.

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>Lupinxjigen didnt show up in the end
>Nothing about lulu
>Nothing involving the monks that jack gave up the ability to go back for

BUT DUDE CHECK OUT THE RAVERS FROM THAT EPISODE NOBODY LIKED LMAO WE GIVING THEM JUST AS MUCH SCREEN TIME AS THE SCOTTSMAN.

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I͕̽͊̿ͫͯ ͚͔̣̈̋ ̼̮͎̝͉̟̆ͬ̑̑̾̿ ͓̞̤͕̮̰͗̌ͧ ̘̗͔̰͇̊T̻̝̘̺͍͚ͣH͉̤ͮͧI̙̯̺̳͒̃ͪ̐͗̎ͅN͓͕͕̝͇̤ͪ̄̈͋K̰͈̭̼̻͓̀̒ ̖̙̞̱̬̗ ̬̯͎̭̮͈̖ ͕̙̘͌ͅ ̟̟̯̭̭ͣͯͮ͋I͖͔̜̬͍͖ͮ̽͋̒ͣͅ'͉̌̎ͤ̔ͯM͙̰̬̩͓̥͂͑̇͗̇̾ ̩̺̖͐́̿ ̞͇̞̑̐̊ͭ̈́̐ ̘̻͉͌ͤ̏ͭ̈́͌̚ ͙̥̞͉̥͌̆̓Ị̯͎̘̦̆ͫ̈N͎͍͔ͬ ̪̩̂͂ͦ ̒͛̂ͮͤ̃͑ ͖̭ͣ ̯̦̱̤̫͍͓̈̏͐̃͐T͎̠̂͛̌̿̃ͅH͔̳̬͊̄̓ͩ̇͛Ë͉̤̼́ ͚͊̏̑ ̺̼̬̫̝̤̉́ ̱̮͖͒̓̂͊͗ͅ ̗͍̱͕C̥̺̈́̔̄̋ͣOM̿ͨ̊̄́̇̾P͗́̑̈̚U̯̦͌̊̈ͬ͛͐̚T̙̜̹͚̜̭͌̿E̱̱̻͔̮͕͙ͨ͐Ṝ͈͙̩͖̼̾ͫ̈̓̚

I will say that, though it took a few episodes, Aku's new VA really came into the role and did it well.

>>92590971
the way i see it, jack was always tied to the past, and coming back to it is just restoring what's normal. that's why he never aged; almost no time passed in his origin timeline, he came back five seconds later after being flung to the future

>>92599287
>Jack regularly gave up opportunities to go back to the past so that he could save people
>in the finale he erases all of their existences without a second thought

It's the exact same fucking thing either way, Jack.
This is what pisses me off about the finale more than anything.

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I would say they stole Gurren Lagan's plot point for some kind of forced tearjerker scene but her emotionless exposition made it so bland.

I don't know what Genndy was even going for here.

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>>92599440
>Doesn't even say bye or thank you
>Scotsman is used only for comic relief
>Old man Sam moo rai doesn't deal the final blow

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>>92599441
self-inserting his mary sue half-aku waifubait plot point oc

Is there anyone that even likes Ashi as a character?

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>>92599524
EPISODE WASTIN'

>>92599524
I really cared about her. I haven't drank out of sadness ever in my life until today

>>92599524
I do. She's very similar to Jack with the whole "seeing a world you're not familiar with and feeling lost" but has a playful and fun side to her. She's also on the same level as him when it comes to combat or helping someone who seems to have lost all hope.
I admit some points were rushed but overall her and Jack make a good pair.

>>92599500
>Scotsman is used only for comic relief
that's what get me mostly. the future characters were just that, comic relief at the end of the day. when we saw the montage of jack old mentors i was left with that impression.
i mean, ashi attacks jack and the scotsman just say something funny and doesn't even look. even his death was played for laughs

>>92596512
>not titling your gif as "see you around runt"

>>92599524
as a character?
i dont know

but im not a fan of the role she was given

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>>92599255
Or you know, they could have just went the whole "You can't change the future, you can only make an alternate timeline" so all those people Jack saved would still exist in the future and he could have even kept Ashi; all while going home and saving the world to.

I'm pretty sure that may have even originally been the idea, back when we saw it hinted that the series would end with a King Jack. I assumed in that idea, he already defeated Aku in the future. The only reason why the time portal would want him to do that is if there was a point to save that world to. If only saving the past world mattered, then there was no point to make Jack wait, the portal and the guardian should have just let him through right then and there.

One Ep clearly couldn't fit the closure they hoped. If they had extended runtime, we could've made ends met with Scotsman n Co, a befitting choreographed 1-1 showdown with Aku and Jack, as well as coming to terms with Ashi's fate before hand.

>>92591988
>double aku fight

You complain about how much you think the ending sucked and then suggest something infinitely shittier

>>92591166
>BUT WUT IF DA FUTURE PEOPLE CAME BACK 2 DA PAST 2 GO TO THE WEDDING

These threads tell me that 90% of /co/ is composed of retards

>>92599088
I don't understand what the fuck with this "omg, they killed everybody!". No, they fucking didn't, those people are just not born yet
Or does it mean main fags of back to the future killed billions? They erased like 2-3 possible futures, as I remember

>>92600021
>I don't understand what the fuck with this "omg, they killed everybody!". No, they fucking didn't, those people are just not born yet

You're fucking dumb.

>Or does it mean main fags of back to the future killed billions? They erased like 2-3 possible futures, as I remember

Yes they did, but that's an 80's comedy so no one gives a fuck.

>>92599524
Yes, I thought she was great and the ending legitimately made me sad.

This entire situation is really eye-opening to just how stupid the average person is and how many omnicides would occur on a daily basis if time-travel were real. Dumbasses would be genociding trillions because they wanted to show off machine guns to Genghis Khan or some shit. Newsflash idiots, no one is fated to be born and if you make any significant change to the ancient past it will completely erase the existence of anyone in the future.

>>92600041
If you were never born then dying is impossible and the future that is Aku wasn't supposed to exist anyway.

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>Jack eschews numerous opportunities to return to the past, because he feels obligated to save the future from Aku too
>During the climactic battle with Aku, the two beings capable of actually defeating him fuck off without a second thought
>"But teh ghost bagpipes can hurt him :^)" Genndy will cry
>There's now literally zero reason why Jack should have ever stayed in the future
So he wasn't happy with just burning season 5 to the ground, he had to ruin all of it.

>>92600013
I agree, responses like yours where a reply or argument boils down to trying to make the other poster sound infantile.
All you're missing is that spongebob chicken image that's been going around.

>>92600041
By killing aku they saved all humans from infinite slavery. And even if you go with retarded "omg, all those people they killed" then they "gave birth" to even more people since humanity would be breeding better without aku. So it's all balances out

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>>92599273
That's the best way to describe it.

God damn it. I just wanted one word on what happened to Lulu.

I mean if Scaramouche can survive having his body blown up, why couldn't X-9 show up?

Have none of you faggots watched back to the future

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>>92600013
I know.

The fact that these pedantic autists keep obsessing over the mechanics of time travel, in a series that was always focused more on visuals and atmosphere over technical narrative, is nothing short of depressing.

Like for fuck's sake, there are legitimate issues with the finale and the final season as whole, but the complaints about the time travel aspect is such basic-bitch overanalyzing.

>>92590386
That scene actually made me laugh.
I saw the Nia ending coming and was ready to be pissed, but Genndy took it to the next level with that execution.

>>92599273
>Ashi saved the world because Jack saved her from the weirdass bug thing in the giant worm
THANK YOU BASED BUG-BANDIT

>>92600292
Maybe the writers should evolve then and not make basic mistakes. Leave Ashi in the future and have her push Jack through the portal and you get a proper goodbye and don't have to worry about watching her disappear at random.
Call it over-analyzing but the writers were under-thinking.

How could the 2nd episode be so good and every episode after it be so fucking bad

>>92600203
>boil it down to make it sound infantile

I didn't boil it down, I just made it sound infantile. The message is as intact as the original anon had it, I just gave it an appropriate tone for how dumb his idea was.

>>92590971
How did Aku ever take over the future if the events of Samurai Jack would have meant he died almost instantly after sending him there? He sends Jack to the future, but if Jack then comes back and kill him, how did he ever take over the future in the first place?

The fact that people exist that can watch the ninja episode and then watch this utter shitfest of a "finale" and defend it is a sickening thought. Jesus Christ this season was a mistake and a train wreck, have some standards you utter faggots.

>>92600271
>why couldn't the character I specifically cared about show up?

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>Ashi dies in the series finale of Samurai Jack
>Veil gets killed in the season finale of Into The Badlands

Why does ever show with samurais in it have to have bitter sweet endings.

>>92597809
I see what you did there.

>>92600417
Like the ancient Greek legends, the Samurai don't get Disney endings that satisfy cringing manchildren.

>>92600327
Except it wouldn't have the same emotional impact if that were the case.

In that scenario Jack's victory over Aku is already a Pyrrhic one. As soon as he delivers the final blow, he's already saddled with the knowledge that he's lost Ashi for good.

In the finale as is, the emotional progression is far different. He seems to have achieved a pretty much flawless victory over Aku, only for something very personal to be taken from him in what should be the happiest day of his life. The freshness of that loss makes everything that came before hit that much harder, but also makes his willingness to appreciate what has been achieved that much better.

Neither version is inherently wrong, per se. Scenario A makes more logical sense from a narrative standpoint, and honestly, is probably what I would have written for a finale like this. Scenario B has a bit more of a complex emotional arc, which is fairly consistent with how the series has presented itself since day one.

All that said, I'm pretty sure the writers made a conscious decision to go with the more "emotional" ending rather than the "logical" one. Whether or not you like it is up to you, but I think it's idiotic to chalk that decision up to "under-thinking."

>>92600358
>how did the entire plot of the show happen

I wonder if someone has a fetish for pointless questions

>>92600417
>be warrior-caste sworn to honor to fight for their lords
>have to kill themselves to avoid dishonorabu
>get utterly fucking rekt into a million pieces when the emperor decides you are obsolete
>your legacy results in your descendants waging a fruitless war against a stronger country that leads to your cities being reduced to ash in nuclear hellfire

Being a samurai is suffering

>>92600506
>>92600327
And if you want an actual example in the finale of "under-thinking" anything, Ashi's last words being exposition is a legitimate complaint about how it was handled. That was just a bad call, and in a series that was so good at conveying ideas WITHOUT exposition, a very bizarre and unneeded one.

>>92600506
I don't even know why people nitpick on time-travel anyways.

Time-travel is full of paradoxes and rules that don't make sense and inconsistencies? You know why? Because time travel doesn't fucking exist. It's fiction. It can be made any single way that you want it to.

There are more problems with Season 5 as a whole than just some time travel paradoxes.

>>92600506
Yeah because we all know the emotional impact of muh waifu is heavier than killing the genocidal tyrant responsible for everything in the show, that's why we watched it for years.

>>92600480
Don't act like Samurai Jack was ever written any better than even Disney's worst movies

>>92600565
The beauty of this show was how simple it was, the narrative for over 10 years was "samurai has to kill evil wizard" anyone trying to glean deeper meaning or loftier story crafting out of it is a humongous faggot.

>>92600563
That's a valid complaint, but its not what I'm arguing.

I'm talking about the though process behind the decisions made. I won't deny that what they focused the emotional arc on wasn't misguided, but its at least consistent with the storytelling style of the show.

Samurai Jack was always about visceral emotion and atmosphere. It was never a super technical series driven by a tight narrative. That's all I said, and you helped prove my and the other anon's point that 90% of people here are fucking retarded.

>>92600561
>hey remember that sequence with the wolf and the art of killing haha just a prank what you were expecting sleek martial arts animation and an MA rating for anything other than dropping the word "penis" lol no way fag

>>92600633
Nigga I'm just mad as hell that this travesty was commuted and wanted to express it. The very fact that there is any romantic subplot let alone one that usurped the whole narrative structure thus far for nearly a whole fucking season is an outrage and I couldn't give a single fuck about rationalizing it in any capacity.

>>92593987
>com truise

my nigger

>>92594698
/a/ here, a lot of us hate Nia's death. It's pointlessly cruel.

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>mfw thinking of the non-identity problem after the SJ finale

>>92590386
It was just like a visual novel.she is explaining to the player why he fuck it up

Guys guys you're all missing the real point of the ending. Aku was his own downfall in the end.

>>92600185
It gets more fucked up the more you think of it, every time jack gave up on going back it was meaningless because going back to stop aku will literally kill all the people in the future.

>>92600776
A lot of you are fucking pussies

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>>92591826
Nintendo

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>>92601270
>/co/mbrl
>calling anyone pussies

>actually like ashi
>enjoy her and jack being a couple
>tfw when jack said i love you all i could think about was other peoples negative reactions on the internet and it soured the rest of the episode.

why do i do this to myself, why cant i just enjoy something without caring about what others might think of it

>>92601399
Nice meme. Keep crying about your waifu.

>>92601412
dutygenerate husbando

What if Jack continues to live forever and finds Ashi again in the future and then outlives her and keeps living until the heat death of the universe damn Aku you cold motherfucker

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I can understand why people felt conflicted by the ending, but I think it happened in a way that gives the series the most respect. Jack didn't need a generic waifu love interest. I was scared that she would eventually become his wife in a cliche ending, but was pleasantly surprised that she didn't magically get a pass from reality because MUH LOVE AND FRIENDSHIP, like this was some kind of low budget JRPG. On the other hand, it was nice that Jack wasn't sad and mopey at the very end, as he looked at the world around him and saw that this is what Ashi wanted. This is what everyone wanted. Furthermore, by her disappearance, we know now that the timeline didn't split. Aku isn't still in the future ruling. He's been wiped from existence.I think that's more important than anything here, because it establishes that he's erased the old future, and replaced it with a new future, where everyone is alive and happy, but they don't have to deal with an oppressive demonic overlord.

So yes, it wasn't the ending you wanted. It was the ending you needed.

>>92596096
It's the execution dickfingers

>>92595558
It kinda fucks with the format that leads to the episode 10 one. I agree I liked the RnM April Fools one because that was a significant part of the whole /co/ SJ experience, but I can understand the sacrifice of it for the sake of the final image.

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Remember when Jack's sword was missing and he got it back by meditating for like a couple hours maybe and three never-before-seen gods just showed up and handed him a new sword

>>92590236
>they brought back the show just to undo everything that happened in it.

Super.

>>92601780
Wait, a new sword? Not the human spirit in a blade sword?

>>92601652
You're saying you didn't want a paradox of Ashi being alive without Aku to be ignored, while ignoring the paradox that without Ashi, Jack is stuck in the future and Aku cannot be defeated in the past.
The ending is a clusterfuck and to seriously say people criticizing it are nitpicking is delusion.
Few people would complain about a bittersweet ending, people are complaining that the ending doesn't make sense and didn't need to be so goddam cliche.

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Why did jack smile at the ladybug at the end? Yeah I get it, it's like that Robin Williams movie where his love interest dies and he sees a butterfly and he's like ":DDD" because she liked butterflies. But in here it doesn't work because Ashi never told Jack about the ladybug thing, so Jack is just smiling at a random ass bug that as far he knows has no connection to Ashi.

>>92601835
nor did it need to be a complete carbon copy of TTGL's ending and the character of nia.

It was just a shitty anime from just a few years ago and somehow that was worth undoing everything jack ever did?

>>92599524
Yes, the same fags that were here saying "omg based ashi so kawaii!! i want my waifu to livu genndu!!" and spamming "cute" pictures of her in every thread and getting pissed when someone tried to say she was fucking the season up

Back then, just weeks ago, saying Ashi was ruining the pacing was instantly met with "fucking BAIT" and "dude you're just a sexist virgin", but now it's finally clear to all that she was just literally shit and fucked everything up and it's inexcusable unless you're a childish waifu fag

>>92590825
I personally don't think it's a time reason why she dissapeared.
I think it's because of her loss of Aku's power. Half of it was part of what kept her whole. With out that she couldn't exist.
Which also means, I don't think Jack changed the future. I think Aku will return and cause the horrible future anyway, after he has passed on.

Basically Jack going back to the past has done nothing.

>>92590236
right in the feel

>>92597809
>>92597815
>>92597864
>New journey where Jack travels the planet looking for a portal or some way to gain ashi back
>jack is still immortal and discovers this
>his mind goes into turmoil again as he can't recall if his memories are real or not
>becomes lost and after decades of listening to his anger and fear, perhaps he slaughters someone willingly
>a dark voice starts to penetrate his mind and his skin turns black
>that tiny piece of aku that was inside him never actually left (from the episode where aku had a cold)
>his anger and fear take over his soul
>jack is now aku

is this just a Gravity Falls finale thing where /co/ hates it but twitterfags suck the creator's dick and praise it because they're dumbass kids?

>>92601893
Yeah i'm sure that's what bleedman would do.

>>92600358
It's a "in the now" thing, we watched the execution and detail of the 1-way trip that was cut down to just point a and point b

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>>92601652
I agree with this anon. There are only 2 things that upset me about this ending.

1) Ashi did not vanish immediately after Aku's Death

This is cheap writing and manipulative, and to me, it really weakens the final impact of the last couple of minutes of this episode.

Immagine what could have been if Ashi died right when Jack killed Aku or moments after he killed him. This would/could have been so much more effective and heartbreaking. Also, it still could have kept the hopeful and happy ending with this.

2) Jack never thinks about his lost friends.

This is small and I think could have been fixed with more time (I really think this episode could have used an hour). It would have been a good send off to see Jack think about all of the people he has come across in his 50 years and recognize that they don't exist anymore, but accept that this is how its suppose to be, this is what needed to be done, truly bittersweet, but worth it for what he has gone through.

I still like the episode these two things just really hamper it down to me.

Also is Jack still immortal/non-aging? Past Jack still went through the portal before Future Jack killed Aku so he should still be immortal/non-aging?

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>>92600506
>Except it wouldn't have the same emotional impact if that were the case.
We didn't need the generic forced feels that everything is fucking getting these days for the sake of ignoring other issues in the episode and having everyone focus and post about "That ending was so sad, I can't believe it! 10/10!!"

>>92601652
>Jack didn't need a generic waifu love interest.
then don't set it up at all

>>92601843
it was a parallel of them both, it could've been any random bug or whatever as long as it was pretty and not a cockroach, jack's thing here was seeing beauty he saved

I hate the fact people keep believing there is just one future, when is possible having infinite timeline where something else happen and change everything

>>92601863
Gurren Lagann is better than literally any season of Samurai Jack, kiddo.

>>92601780
>three never-before-seen gods
Boi

>>92602040
>I hate the fact people keep believing there is just one future
Blame the series for literally using that execution by having "Without Aku I never would have ever even ever existed ever at all" a thing

>>92599524
Well I fucking cried a little bit after watching the finale but I guess that's really a culimination of a variety of feelings I have about real life being sad, full of loss and the most important things always ending up as a memory.

I feel like it was a good story and she was necessary for it, but the ending wasn't good and it precluded a good ending for the rest of Jack's story.

>>92602049
No it's generic trash with bright colors and flashing lights.

One thing plugs into another until they have a big stupid meme fight. Come the fuck on, read a book without pictures.

>>92602085
>she was necessary for it
she didn't have to be until they made her the center of attention out of nowhere

>>92597151
Thanks mate

>>92600506
Either set up your bittersweet ending properly, or don't do them at all. Trying to force an ending because that's what modern storytelling and expectation are is bullshit, you cannot pull out an emotional ending like this without foreknowledge that this might happen - if anything it was sprung on the viewer without foreshadowing, without expectation and after the ending started to turn into a happy one.
I don't mean telegraphing it either, but to not expect viewer annoyance after how badly it was delivered, after how much detail was lavished into making you think it is a good end, and then bam, we get a melancholic Jack and a tree.

>he's already saddled with the knowledge that he's lost Ashi for good.
That's the point, he does not know, nor does he expect it. If anything, its a slap in the face after the final victory. We know Genndy made a choice to pull on our emotions, but it was a badly executed decision that flops to do itself the justice - every other review of the ending out there will point out the inconsistency of Ashi's disappearance because it sticks out like a sore thumb.

If you really want Ashi to be gone, have her disappear in Jack's arms after they defeat Aku - there we have immediate loss, explanation makes sense and the viewer is left with the bittersweetness that Genndy wanted. Instead of bait and switch wedding you would have a long celebration of Jack's success, wherein you would see his internal sorrow over loss mix with joy and jubilation of the celebration and victory over Aku. That is what pulls on the viewer's emotions, not stinky surprises.

There, I did it for you and everyone who wanted a neater ending.

>>92590236

I feel like people have never actually read Chinese, Japanese, or Korean stories from the feudal time periods. This season was almost directly out of a fairy tale.

It's like Grimm's Fairy Tale and Hans Christian Andersen Tier.

the worst part is the embarrassment and uncomfortable atmosphere jack must've been left in for a long time, getting everything so far and it happening in front of everyone

>>92602195
No I mean they introduced a new story and that was entirely unnecessary to everything Jack had done before.

But I liked this new story and she was a necessary part of that story.

If I didn't like the new story and it's themes, I'd be shitty they wasted the time developing something new instead of finishing the original.

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>>92602359
>If I didn't like the new story and it's themes, I'd be shitty they wasted the time developing something new instead of finishing the original.
talk about self centered

>>92602359
So it's fine if you like it but it's a waste of time if you hate it, not even of your time but the season's, but only if YOU hate it?

>>92602347
>This season was almost directly out of a fairy tale

That's precisely the problem I have with it. It's incredibly formulaic. Oh man, the hero starts out in kind of a shitty spot and then there's an inciting incident which mixes up his life, but then he hits the second act low point where he gives up hope and almost dies, yadda yadda.

SJ was never the pinnacle of depth and complexity, but it was composed of simple stories told well through unique visuals and style. This season had none of that.
Name any moment in this entire season that's anywhere near as stylized as the all-white fight in the snow early on, because I don't think there's a single one.

What really strikes me is the obscene amount of dialogue in this season, because it's way too much for a show that prided itself on having a structure which allowed for episodes with no dialogue whatsoever.

>>92602456
>the obscene amount of dialogue in this season
due to ashi and having to fill her in and keep her up to track with what's happening

and then instead of jack doing what he was thinking he had a 2nd character he had to say what he was doing to and that shit

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>>92590971
dude what

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>>92597971
>Jack dies as an old man
>His spirit is standing before a great bright light
>Right in front of him stands a silhouette of what looks to be Ashi with her back turned towards Jack
>"I've been waiting for you, Jack..." she says
>"Ashi? Ashi is that you?!" Jack replies
>Jack smiles and steps foward towards her and lays his hand on her shoulder
>"It has been so long, Ashi..." Jack says
>"Yes! It has been far far too long. I've been waiting here for you all this time... FOOLISH SAMURAI!!!"

>>92602388
>>92602447
Are you people dense or am I just shit at communicating? Probably both.

>>92602456
Very much so.

It seems like it is an attempt by Genndy to give a sentimental finish to something that was actually quite close to him (he's been drawing a Jack-like samurai since he was 16).

Original seasons look like he was co-opting a childhood fantasy he had and this season looks like he was delving back into it so he could put it to put.

>>92590386
That line is really the only sore point for me about the finale.

>>92602572
You're fine with Jack not defeating Future Aku despite that being his quest? There's been times where he says his quest is to defeat Aku and THEN go back to the past. You're fine with them just fucking that over?

You're fine with the fact every time Jack had the chance to go back in time he decided to save a random creature first and lose his chance, but then in the end when they're being directly attacked by Aku and in the biggest fight of their lives and near certain death, just fucking jumping ship and never thinking about it again? The "it's fine because they never had to deal with it in the first place after past aku is dead" excuse is null since obviously the series was about either a diverging timeline before or just for the sake of doing good by saving them all even if they wouldn't exist after the portal shit

>inb4 yep
tell me fucking why

>>92602625
>that being his quest
That isn't his quest, though.

>obviously the series was about either a diverging timeline
Nope.

Yep.

>>92601972
>Jack becomes increasingly detached from this new reality, because without Aku's oppressive empire there's no motivation for people to stand up for what is truly right
>society shuffles along in a rut
>where there was once simmering resentment for Aku there is now only apathy; with no true villains there are no true heroes
>Jack spends his remaining days a meditative recluse, trying to resist being overcome by bitterness; even the greatest champion of this new world feels like a petty, hollow shadow of the heroes he knew

>>92602532
If Jack is able to kill Aku after coming back to the past without having to disappear himself, he is subject to a linear time progression from personal perspective and thus subject to temporal isolation - he exists in reality independently of causality because he is inserted and reinserted between time periods, separating him from any cause and effect as a result. Jack exists as an entity fixed in space regardless where he is in time.
Given that Ashi travels with him, she is subject to the same principle and as such should be able to exist after going back to the past regardless of what happened. In effect she takes herself out of a future that won't exist, but due to principle of conservation of matter and energy, there is no way for her to disappear, her presence in the past is already decoupled from the events of the future that has not yet occurred and won't occur, otherwise time travel to the past is impossible for anyone.

I think the big failing of all time travel stories is the failure to acknowledge that the cause and effect and past events in linear storytelling cannot violate laws of thermodynamics when matter (in this case people) are moved in between time periods. Any and all paradoxes instantly resolve themselves when presence of physical matter is fixed in particular time-space and not subject to causality which becomes irrelevant the moment you travel back in past to alter it.

>>92602653
ree eat shit you didn't dispute any of that and yes his quest was in that order previously

>>92602656
>With Aku, Jack was friends with the Shaolin
>Without Aku, Japan goes on to invade China

>>92598915
Fuck no. Always save the waifu/your friends. The world can burn if my loved ones live.

>>92593987
>Jack saved Lulu

...sweet thing...

>>92599524
She's a cliché character, but a good one. At least I like bad-to-good converts.
I didn't like how she was used as a deus ex machina, but in hindsight it was obvious. It was the short, 2-thrusts-and-done, story of Ashi's redemption and she needed that hero-role to to make it painfully obvious that she wasn't a useless sidekick.
It needed much more exposition. It went too fucking fast, and while that helps with thrill and excitement, a little drama goes a long way.

It's kinda like every criticism of every 12-ep anime ever. Slow progression in the beginning, blink twice and you missed the ending.

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>>92601972

Genndy wanted to do an homage to TTGL. If she goes *poof* right after Aku gets kacked, that goes out the window.

>>92602195
You don't like it, write your own damn story; this one was Genndy's.

>>92595558
>>92601757
It doesn't exist in this timeline now.

>>92596305
I hated that they went the romance route of all things with a limited time frame and sacrificed a lot for it only to go lolnope I'm dying x(
no closure for anyone due to cutting time for a romance that didn't pay off.
there was no good reason for it unless they plan to continue it and had to axe her for future installments.

>>92596305
I tried as hard as I could to like it. It was just... awful Fucking laughably pathetic. You would have to be a total moron to think this was a good ending.

>>92602797
>waaah you didn't eat shit and like it because the rest of the entire series was good
Just because you enjoy something doesn't mean you have to blindly adore everything about it.

>>92599636
This

>>92597500
Same here. That last scene left me pretty sad. Not even crying sad, just, a vacuum of sadness.

The Gurenn Lagann shit was obvious, but did they really have to do it this way? Not even a goodbye, or "I love you", or something like that, shame
>>92601027
Also this

>>92598533
She definitely knew. She kept it from Jack so they could spend her last days (or weeks) together without fear of the future. She wasn't surprised in the weeding, she was just saddened.

This is the crappiest and most unimaginative way to solve time paradoxes. I'm surprised they went with this one.
It's lame enough when they do it in the time travel episode of a series, but in a show where time travel is the basic premice? Double meh.

>>92602625
Anon, he tries to reach portals most of the time, not hunt Aku.
And in more than a couple episodes he tries to outrun Aku to the portal (Jack jump good, the time he lost his sword in s5...)

>>92599524
I liked her. She had an interesting backstory, I enjoyed her personality and I loved the effect she had on Jack.

>>92603246
It might be that Jack really has nothing to go back to. Like yeah, there's his family, but he was eight years old when Aku showed up.
The entire rest of his life up until being sent to the future was him being trained to fight Aku.

What's he gonna do, just come back and act like nothing happened? There's no way he can just live a normal life after all that.
It feels like even though he succeeded, he really didn't get anything for it in the end other than deleting all his friends from existence.

>>92603302
>She kept it from Jack so they could spend her last days (or weeks) together without fear of the future

Given how long her hair was for the wedding (unless it was a wig) a solid couple of weeks. Which makes little sense why she didn't disappear sooner, if we go along with Genndy.

Still,>>92602669 is the best explanation, if you want to play with timey wimey wibbly wobbly explanations.

>>92590386
>Not even "I love you..." and let the rest of the fans figure it out.

>it had to end on exposition
Bravo Genndy

>>92601972
Well, he was pretty fucked up at the end. You could make the claim that losing Ashi reminded him too of all the people he'd met and who had been erased as well. It's only the hope of a better world that made him smile.

>>92603357
Sadly, I agree with this one. I am one of those people who believe Ashi new she'd disappear after killing Aku, so I think we could even had her say "I'm sorry" as a way to imply she spared him of the information till the last moment so he could be happier for a while longer.

>>92591315
>yellow skin plane crashin

>Gods fuck up
>force two men to fight their battles for them instead of just cleaning up their own mess
>one man exists in time stasis for decades because it's impossible for him, becomes depressed
>guy finally cleans up after the gods after loads of suffering
>has a,so found love
>loljk get fucked, Samurai
Why couldn't the gods, creators of everything including time and by extension its rules, just let Jack have this?

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>>92597746
>FIFTY YEARS OF CUM

>>92597773
>Because time travel doesn't make sense.
actual science proved that if time travel was possible, the grand father paradox is 100% possible with no actual negative effects on the space time continuum since it'll just keep resetting.

>>92603479
Jack never scored with her and soon he will forget that he ever kissed her.

>>92603537
>since it'll just keep resetting.
Explain? We already know the ending is bullshit with its time travel but how would it "reset?"

>>92603555
You think they waited until marriage? I don't think Jack would have been taught about that before going off to train and there's no way Ashi has ever heard that.

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>>92603555

>>92599088
So you're saying birth control is murder?

>>92603555
Jack remembers his first kiss in the field, when he was a kid. Why would he forget his kiss with Ashi?

>>92603587
>prematurely ending a human life
Yes

>>92598073
:')

>>92603667
>Trap your sperms with a rubber bag and dump the bag in the trash to rot
>You are a genocidal maniac

>>92597767
Only way to solve this fucked up shit ending is

>Guardian still exists in this timeline
>Jack goes there
>fight Guardian, wins uses portal
>Travels back to moment before he kill Aku
>traps him in sword
>Seal sword away because magic
>Ashi lives
>Jack lives
>Aku lives but is trapped for long time
>let some other schmuck deal with it
>The sword is indestructible so theres always a way to kill aku
>everyone happy

Genndy deserves an asskicking for fucking up jack so monstrously

>>92603831
We also have a little teaser at the end showing Aku aint dead but just trapped

>Ill be back samurai ha hah hah

>Ashi never even says she loves Jack

>>92597458
It's shaped like Ashi's monkey skull.

>>92598533
What if Jack actually wanted to stay and save his friends?

She didn't even ask him. Why not kill Aku in the future first?