Oh no.

Why didn't he go back in time to stop Jack and Ashi from killing his past self?

>>92574424

shhh

>>92574424
Right! I was thinking the same exact thing.

>>92574424
ashi beat him to the punch. as soon as she and jack went back his timeline was destroyed...appearntly

>>92574424
if aku could time travel at will anytime he wanted, why didn't he just go back in time and kill jack as a baby

>>92574499
How did Ashi survive months if the timeline was destroyed instantly?

>>92574424
If he sends himself from the future into the past, then who would be in the future to send him to the past?

>>92574522

ashi had cancer. it came from the shit writing

>>92574424
STOP trying to find flaws in the best cartoon to air in years

STOP

>>92574522
Because Genndy wanted her death to be dramatic. He's actually been a hack all along and /co/ is only now realizing it after sucking his dick for so long.

>>92574424

Aku can't cast time travel on himself, only on others.

>>92574546
It's only the best if you pretend S5 doesn't exist.

>>92574546
>best cartoon to air in years

>"oh looks like the death of this character from the future will cause me to cease to exist"
>"Meh, I'll just wait for our wedding day to add some non-sensical wah wah moments.

>>92574561
If Ashi is half-Aku, then why was she able to go back to the past with Jack and having nothing happened to her for weeks or even months until the wedding?

>>92574582
see >>92574559

>>92574424
There is only one, AAAAKKKKUUUU~!

I liked that "Oh no" moment, where he realizes he just lost everything in a single instant.
Having two Akus die would've been overkill imo, I'm glad they decided to have the future Aku live, if only for that instant.

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>>92574330
If Ashi is Aku's seed
Why isnt Aku's reborn after Ashi, who was controling him in her body, died?

>>92574652
I just like the idea that Aku got a single moment to realize just how much he fucked up before ceasing too exist.

>>92574582

because she is half-aku

>>92574424
Can't be two Akus occupying the same space. Except when he himself makes copies of himself I guess. But regardless of that it's simply how time travel usually works in fiction.

>>92574424
season 3

>>92574951
3rd iteration, season 6*

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>>92574330
see you, space cowboy

>>92574330
This was the best moment of the entire season.
Prove me wrong, /co/.

乇乂ㄒ尺卂 - ㄒ卄丿匚匚

>>92574522
Gendy wanted a prequel Star-Wars tier meme death

>>92574424
How did Ashi know the exact moment in time to go back to?

>>92574330

F

>>92575205
>>92575185
>>92574580
>>92575185
>>92575205
Listen guys
the entire series was based around a time paradox
(if jack 'got to the past' and killed aku, how would he have got flung into the future in order to gotta get back?)
obviously the time travel is dumb here and to gendy it didn't matter
So if you think the show sucks because of time travel logic, you obviously didn't understand the show

>>92575275
No, everyone wasn't retarded like you, anyone who was intelligent assumed it would just create an alternate timeline, one where he defeats Aku in the past and one where Aku rules in the future but is defeated by his actions there too before he returns to the past.

>>92574330
lel

>Jack didn't even fight Future Aku
>Future Aku never lost in the end
GEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENNDYYYYYYYYYYYY

>>92574424
the last time he attempted time travel with someone else his enemy became immortal
he wouldn't mess with it again

Fuck genndy, fuck this ending, fucking give me an epilogue.

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>>92576460
also bring this babe back

>>92574522
The time magic that sustained Jack's eternal youth also had an unforseen effect on Ashi.

Ashi gained an a small immunity to causality. Her side effect eventually wore off as time caught up with her.

Her Isla d of causality being eroded away by the flow of time.

>>92575275
>>92575332
in the end nihilism won the long game. Jack went on a quest help a buncha people, but his true quest was to ensure that non of them had a chance to exist. Aku was a dick, but jack killed off an entire timeline.

>>92574546
stop falseflagging you piece of shit

>>92574424
He himself can't travel time.

>>92575275

What if Jack going back and killing Aku was some sort of self-correction of the timeline, so when Ashi disappears, it's also a hint that all of Jack's memories from his 50-year trip into the future will disappear as well as Jack re-integrates into the timeline, and him enjoying the tree and the ladybug is his subconscious's way of reminding him of an event that he can't recall ever happening?

>>92574330
>His flaming eyebrows didn't go out
ONE FUCKING JOB GENNDY

>>92574424
he probably did but vanished mid travel since jack killed him in the past.

>>92575332
>iamverysmart

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Forget Ashi.

I'm just unhappy because I didn't want Jack to go back. That's just too simple of an ending, not to mention the implications of all the people he met ceasing to exist due to the butterfly effect.

>>92576326
He lost at the moment in OP pic. He knew where they were going. He knew his 50 years of trying to stop Jack amounted to dick. He knew that his rule was about to be ended before it began.

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>The ending happens.
>Jack lives a relatively happy life in the past.
>Except he still doesn't age.
>He rules the kingdom once his father dies, and brings it to a long-lasting age of prosperity.
>Years pass. He begins to make preparations for a long journey.
>He leaves the kingdom in good hands, and departs.
>He travels the world, helping people wherever he goes.
>Years pass, and Jack finally finds what he was looking for. The Guardian and his time portal.
>They fight, Jack wins.
>"My man, you're worthy."
>The guardian's portal is different from the other time portals, it takes you to any time in your life, even those that somehow don't exist anymore.
>Jack chooses to go back to the future that is Aku, during the final fight.
>He stops Ashi from porting past-jack and herself, and duos future-Aku with past-Jack. They win.
>He explains to past-Jack that Ashi cannot go with him, and makes Ashi to send him back to destroy past Aku.
>He embraces Ashi in a long kiss while all the people he has helped are around him, cheering.
>The cheering slowly fades, along with everything else as the future is no more, with him in it.

OK, Ashi confirmed that Aku can end stuff to the past.

Let's say Aku can't send himself since he's too big and shit.
Why didn't he send robots to the past too to rule over the past and protect past Aku?

Genndy is a hack.

>>92576939

This is like mould for creating new autists over the internet.

>>92574580
This is a stupid argument. If she had died instantly you idiots would be complaining it was too harsh and brutal of an end for her.

At least giving them a spoon of happiness before the kick in the balls. It's not like this couldn't be explained with CELTIC magic or any of the other shit in the show.

Like really you niggas, just take it easy.

>>92574424
Because Aku can't use timetravel more than once.

Ashi did it because she had never done it before.

It's obvious, but I'll let you pretend you found a flaw to feel good.

Ashi shows that it takes a while for time to snap back. Why didn't Aku send himself, or someone to protect his past self?

>>92576633
This seems like the most reasonable explanation yet.

>>92574330
>the Ultimate Evil
>has an open-borders policy
makes you think

>>92575332
>anyone who was intelligent assumed that a concept not existing in real life would work THIS WAY AND THIS WAY ONLY

>>92577093
Wondering how you came to that conclusion. From my knowledge that's not canonical.

>>92574330
Can someone make a reaction gif of this?

>>92576939

>guardianfags are this autistic

>If he had never forced people to worship him, resulting in a cult that took that shit super seriously and came into some bitch's cup, Ashi would never have been born and would never have been able to send Jack back in time.
Aku's own hubris was his undoing.

>>92576991
Aku is Evil Stupid

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I DID IT MY WAY~

>>92577333
>the numbers

Aku is truly blessed. Goodbye sweet prince...

>>92577295
If the guardian has been waiting for eons at that portal its quite possible for an epilogue episode.
Since akus reign is 1k years after he ports jack.

>>92577333
he doesn't deserve a calm death
the way Genndy approached it was fine, but it would be 10/10 if he died in an extremely gruesome way while shrieking in many voices at once and his body being twisted in all sorts of shapes

>>92574424
Listen, I know people from this time period know shit about time travel, but it really doesn't work that way. Those of us from the future can actually say that Genndy handled this perfectly, right down to the tiniest detail.

And think about this: Does future Aku want to erase himself?

>>92577514
He blew up a couple of times before the giant explosion. That's gotta hurt. Not to mention all the sword stabs.

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>>92576939
How about instead of that, once he gets to the Guardian Portal he sees his past self in the future and we get to see pic related from his side of the portal

Then he goes through the portal to the future, which is like an alternate (better) future of the one we saw in the show. Scotsman and many others of the old show are there, but they don't know Jack as anything other than as "the legendary samurai that destroyed Aku". Jack discovers this as he walks the Earth, trying to find someone.

Eventually he finds the alternate version of Ashi as a child, and ends up adopting her. The end. Or if you're hardcore on shipping she can be an adult and they can hook up again. Whatever.

>>92575275
having time paradox doesn't automatically mean good. That's not how storytelling works

>>92577737

Time travel isn't real you know. You can make up whatever rules you want.

>>92577820

well, it is real, just beyond out capacity to generate.

>>92577820
That doesn't make it ok to do though. Fuck story telling amirite?

I feel like the ending would have been way better if three things happened

1 - Have Jack kill present Aku first with Ashi's aid
2 - Make it so the future timeline isn't erased and establish some sort of multiverse, so even if he returns to the past at least an entire fucking timeline isn't obliterated
3 - Have Ashi die as a result of Aku dying rather than time shenanigans (oh no my body is failing because of Aku's death)

>>92574522

Gurren Lagann did it

I'm fine with Ashi being erased, I just would have done it as she was in the time portal with Jack.

> She bids him a tearful goodbye, telling him to be happy because her disappearing means that he wins and Aku is defeated, and gives him one last kiss as she vanishes in his arms

>>92574424
Would it matter if he tried? Remember that Ashi had all of his powers, and combined with Jack's sword, he was outmatched and defenceless. It would not make a difference weither he went back or not.

>>92574522
Ashi should have stayed alive. She would have became a Time Remnant. A living paradox of something that could have been but never will be.

>>92577868
>Make it so the future timeline isn't erased and establish some sort of multiverse, so even if he returns to the past at least an entire fucking timeline isn't obliterated
Then there's no point to Aku stopping Jack from going back. Hell, he'd encourage it, since Jack would no longer be in his timeline with sword. And you can say that Aku sent him in the future to start with to secure his victory timeline.

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>>92576858
>the implications of all the people he met ceasing to exist due to the butterfly effect.

This. It hurts so much.

>>92576939

i like it

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>>92577333
He may have been an evil monster, but he was my evil monster...

>>92574559
He's not a total hack, he's a visual storyteller who was trying too hard to write a longer narrative.

>>92574559
>>92578147
The man ain't no hack. He only had 10 fucking episodes to work with. If he had been given 13 like he wanted, we wouldn't have had such a bittersweet ending.

Wasn't a third timeline created when Jack killed Aku, since past Jack got flung into a future where Aku is dead.
,
1. The future that is Aku
2. Got back
3.The future that isn't Aku

>>92578188
That's the Jack who we see in the present doing laundry with Johnny Bravo.

>>92576939
I did think of a head canon similar to this where it turns out Jack is eternal, but he ends up being the ultimate protector for Earth from any other unworldly evils like Aku.

>>92578185
We got half an episode dedicated to Jack chilling with a wolf. It was excellent stuff but showed that the pacing priorities were skewed. There is no "only" 10 episodes argument to be had, that's over three hours of content, more than enough time to tell a complete story and not have it feel rushed.

>>92576939

see, this is how you do a bittersweet ending

>>92578266
kek

>>92574330
FUCK EVERYTHING
HE SHOULD'VE WON

>Aku is dead

no, pls no

>>92574424
Because he died in the past and doesn't exist in the future.

>>92574424
>moves fast enough to chase jack into a portal in one episode
>can shoot his own portals
>sits back and watches Ashi grab the sword and shoot a portal in the finale
>Ashi is somehow able to move faster than Aku despite her having literally the same powers as Aku
Gennedy is a HACK

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>Ashi's death was made all dramatic and sad to make the audience feel bad for her
>nobody gives a single shit about the self insert and instead they mourn Aku's death

>>92574330
>>92574330
>>92574330
what do you expect from /co?/

>>92575275
There wouldnt have been a time paradox if Jack killed Aku in the future and realized he could never go back to the past.

Ending happens. Jack hears a thumbing sound. Its Ashi, lying wounded on grass. Jack is overwhelmed by emotions as he holds Ashi in his arms. Ashi slowly wakes up. "Sam..r-?". Jack tells her everything is going to be okay. Ashi stabs Jack through his chest with black arrow. "A-ash..". Jack collapses over Ashi. Ashi spills blood from her mouth. "Master Aku! Your will has be-..-ne. The samurai cannot ... Master?". Fade to black as Ashi tries to yell for Aku. Music comes in. Jack and Ashi are dead in eachother's embrace under the cherry tree's blossoms. Wachaa.

>>92576858
They'll still be born. Just into a better future that ISN'T Aku. Their lives sucked shit, and now they get to start them from scratch.

>>92578188
Genndy doesn't know how paradoxes work apparently.

By having Ashi vanish it's established that it's one timeline instead of multiverse. But by killing Aku in the past none of the events in the future happened so Jack couldn't have gone back to the past to kill Aku.

He breaks his own rules to have the 'lol I vanish' wedding ending.

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I dont care about how shitty the ending was, I'm just glad I have my new waifu

That's my reaction to the ending as well, Aku.

>>92575275
He sent Jack to the future right before Jack came back to kill him. Fuck, did you watch the episode?

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>>92578501

haven't you whipper-snappers watched back to the future?

if you mess with the time-line, you don't get born.

>>92578515
Your waifu is dead

>>92574522
I call it the "Better To Be Retarded Time Correction Theory." You see time paradoxes can occur, but only if you don't realize it. Ashi was able to survive for months post time paradox creation because she never thought about it. However, the minute she noticed that that would be impossible she disappeared (minds wander at the wedding). This has been shown many times in cartoons. For example Futurama Fry creates a time paradox, but in doing so makes himself too dumb to truly comprehend the implications of his actions. By not truly realizing this he is able to exist. The same could be said for Aku traveling back in time. Aku knows how to time travel and realizes that two of him can not exist in the same space time or else he will disappear. By virtue of knowing this he can't go back or else it will be a self correcting loop. That is why, when it comes to time travel, it's always better to be retarded.

>>92578412
I'm mourning both tho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GF_tn-VBt3U

>>92578588
not in my head canon :^)

>>92576633
>>92574522
or maybe akus time bending powers sustained her for a bit since she seemed aware that she was vanishing from the sound of her final words

>>92577868
>>92577735
>>92576939

So, I've been thinking about this overnight, and I don't really want to dwell on the topic much longer because I think I might have come to realise why Genndy let things play out the way it did, even though I don't agree with him.

He wants the audience to get off the rollercoaster and move on. The show was as pastfags have said always about going back to the past which inherently means that the journey can't matter as anything more than a fleeting rush of excitement. Genndy wanted to remind you with this ending that it's just a cartoon and you're a foolish samurai if you legitimately got so attached to the series to:

A) Rant about a woman taking over the show.
B) Screech at heteronormative forced sexual romance.
C) Yell about internal lore being forgotten (Guardian).
D) Care about the plot ultimately not mattering.

Genndy is telling you, "It's just an animated action show with setpieces and deliberately spaced tearjerkers." Why? Because modern cartoons and the creative process behind them is severely gimped and crippled by attempts to make them "matter" instead of just being high-quality fun with exactly enough heart.

Tl.dr. Genndy tried to be the saviour of western animation in a way you didn't expect. Look around yourself and ask: has the battle been won or lost?

>>92576939

I need a drawfag

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>>92578692
TOO SOON.

>>92578804
That's just pretentious and shitty logic.

>yeah i know the ending was terrible and rushed but ITS JUST A CARTOON maybe i am the savior of western animation huh huh

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>>92578692

>>92578804
I think this is the way he always intended the series to end but with the hiatus and then only getting one last season to end it he had to rush it a bit

I still think overall it was great, though

>guardianfags in charge of moving on with their fucking lives.

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>>92574330
>aku's death was quick and without a fight
>not even any build up, ashi just suddenly learns to time travel and then jack just quickly slashes him and then he and his tower explode for no reason
Aku didn't deserve this

>>92576633
>Isla d
Huh?

>>92577735
Most of them, outside the dogs who specifically study history wouldn't even likely know of him for killing Aku.
Let's not forget that the Dogs did Carbon Dating on him, and declared that all his cells are from the year 25 Before Aku, meaning Aku never really revealed his presence to the world at large until 25 years either Jack's birth in the Birth of Evil, or 25 years after Jack departed the Past. Meaning, that outside the people Jack studied under, no one even knew Aku existed, and even they didn't really see his terror first hand. He was just some mythical creature in a far off land.

Basically, they'd be as aware of Jack's achievements as the average American/European is aware of what Son Wukong did in Journey to the West.

>>92578863

I agree that it's pretentious but it's not really shitty. If Genndy had foregone going back to the past the ending wouldn't have been rushed since there was well enough time to have a proper Ashi save, a final battle, and a quick cut to a rising sunrise.

As it is the ending only serves to end the series, which puts me to mind that Genndy wanted to detach himself and the audience deliberately. I'm not saying he's saying "It's a cartoon so it get's a pass," but "It's a cartoon so it ends, move on, let me work on something else."

It's outright unhealthy for both the creator and the viewers to enter any kind of entitlement contract. Genndy made us quit a good drug cold turkey, it was ruthless and it was brutal but maybe it's something he felt he had to do.

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Rest in peace you beautiful bastard

>>92578936
>focusing their entire theories on one goddamn moment that Gennedy downplayed

Seriously at this point that episode was a mistake. Making little bitches out of so many anons, people outright REFUSING to believe both Jack and Aku when they said:
"Aku destroyed all the time portals."

And then followed by the denial:
"He could still be alive!"

Almost as bad as the people who thought "Demongo is going to play a big part in this season/the final battle/next episode."

Piss disgusting.

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>>92574424
If it was that easy for Aku to make two versions of himself to go back and stop Jack from Killing his past self when he was weakest, why didn't he just send infinite versions of himself to go back and overwhelm Jack to the point where he can't do anything against the sea of Akus? He's had well over 50 years to think of doing that but something tells me he can't. The same way that Jack from the past had to disappear for Jack from the future to take his place.

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Fuck Ashit, I miss akushi

>>92579035
Maybe. He has no obligation to actually continue or invest in his show, so that's fair, and it might be why halfway through the quality dropped to an unprecedented level. Maybe Genndy just wasn't interested anymore.

>>92574522
Time ripples like in BttF

>>92574424
I would think you cannot go to a point in time where you already exist. Jack get's a pass because he was gone by then and Ashi never existed yet so it's a freebie.

At least that's what I'm going with

>>92578863
>>92579035

Not to mention that the ending effectively demotivates rewatching the rest of the series as anything more than beer and pretzels viewing, which may have been the whole point.

>>92579035
The issue is that he totally could have done the 'Jack goes back to the past, Ashi dies' ending so much better with the time he had and in a way that made more sense/more emotional.

I don't know about you but I wasn't sad when Ashi disappeared. It was so abrupt that I actually thought it was funny, eliminating any emotional impact that scene could have had.

>>92578804
Oh my god, the entire plot was to undo the future that is Aku. The cartoon screamed this at your for 4 seasons. Aku's future sucked balls, so Jack's created a new future where the people he saved never need saving in the first place.

>>92577735
>daughterufags are this autistic

>>92574424
Each Aku can only have one shot at teleportation perhaps?

>>92579107
>implying Aku cannot travel time
Then why was Ashi able to travel time with Aku's powers and show up in a timeline where she couldnt have existed? It'd be different if Jack was the only one that came out of the portal, but Ashi came out too, and with the Aku still covering her body no less.

>>92578993
aku just got finished fighting with jack before he sent him forward in time, he was in no condition to fight and he wasn't prepared for jack to be back instantly

>>92574522
Aku's essence hadn't evaporated completely for some time.

>>92579142
Aku's essence/powers on Ashi traveled back in time to a point where it already existed, though.

>>92579237
Read what I said again.
I never implied Aku couldn't time travel. He very much can. But he'd have to travel back to a time where no other Aku existed. The same way Future Jack took Past Jack's place in the past.

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Why did slamming Aku into the ground kill him this time while in Birth of Evil he was merely made dormant?

>>92579250
I mean they could have done something. Like make it so the episode was jack and the army and ashi attempting to get back the sword from aku and then finally getting it back and beating him.

>>92578511
Back to the Future had both too.

>Aishi time travel rings her and Jack to the past
>Same thing happens
>This time, whenever aku dies Jack and Aishi are instantaneously transported back to the final battle
>Confused, Aishi and Jack continue to attempt the same thing multiple times with no change in the outcome
>Aku keeps seeing them time travel and teleport back and in his confusion does a time out and asks Jack what the fuck is going on
>Do to the tell don't show style of western animation Jack then explains to Aku that killing past Aku means that there's no time portals or Aishi in the future, meaning no way for Jack to get back, meaning that the entire sequence cancels out due to impossibility
>Aku finally gets it and laughs maniacally
>Jack then continues to explain saying that while he may be unable to undo the past he can change the future with him referencing all of his friends in the process
>Aishi then grabs Jack in her aku goop and wields him like a sword
>Jackshi mega super gundam combo fight Aku and manage to kill him
>10 years later
>Jack has built up a replica of his old home and rules it as a just king, Aishi as his wife
>His friends hold various positions around the kingdom and it's seen that crime has been diminished due to Jack setting up a police group of sah moo rais that have all but eradicated Aku's old minions
>Series ends with Jack and Aishi looking over their kingdom as the sun rises
>WATCHA in the credits

>>92574546
No.

>>92579228
Then why turn away time portals in the first four seasons if he didnt care about those people as they existed then, and cared more about correcting the future from the past? The show could have ended in season 1 if the finale was not going to be about Jack realizing that he had to fix the future he was in because he could never go back.

So if Aishi disappeared, does that mean all the people in the future disappeared too?

If so, WHAT WAS THE FUCKING POINT OF REFUSING TO GO THROUGH SO MANY TIME PORTALS JUST TO SAVE SOME FAGGOTY ARCHERS OR MONKS OR WHOEVER THE FUCK HAPPENED TO BE NEARBY

THEY ALL DISAPPEARED ANYWAYS, IT MADE NO DIFFERENCE THAT JACK SAVED THEM

>>92579336
Because this is the best cartoon ever made.

Anyone know if there was a large thread for the latest episode of Samurai Jack like there has been these past few weeks because I can't find it in archive or archive websites.

>>92579301
this would have been a better ending

>>92574522
The power of "Genndy wants to animate a traditional Japanese wedding"

>>92579035
>I'm not saying he's saying "It's a cartoon so it get's a pass," but "It's a cartoon so it ends, move on, let me work on something else."

to me this argument always read as "genndy was tired of SJ so let him do something new until he gets bored with that too, does a rushed final story and moves on with his new toy"

>>92574424
BECAUSE .....

>>92574522
HE LITERALLY RIPPED OFF TTGL

>>92579282
Read what I said again.
Ashi literally traveled back in time using powers from the Aku that covered her body to a time where Aku existed.
You remember when Aku left his essence in a bowl and that was used to make the Daughters of Aku? That shit was literally Aku. Aku is the black essence thing. Thats why he was able to control Ashi like a puppet. Its like an extension of his body, and its part of the matter that makes him up.

>>92579336
Time travel mechanics changed to the BttF model just for season 5.

>>92574424
>>92574522
LOVE!

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>>92579296
Re-watch the first episode. Jack tells the emperor that he banish Aku back into the pit of hate, bit the emperor says that that mindset is what led Aku to be simply trapped last time. The sword is a tool to facilitate the defeat of Aku. The warrior wielding it determines whether he will be killed or not.

>>92578547
Jack could come back because he wasn't RECOGNIZED by the future.

>>92575171
Underrated post

>Ashi was voiced by Tara Strong
>not Grey DeLisle

The fuck? It sounds perfectly within the latter's range, so I'd have sworn it was her. I had no idea. I knew she was the cult leader, so I assumed she voiced both.

>>92576708
Then how did Ashi do it?

Jacks father should be dead.

A much better ending would have been

1: A fight with Aku VS Ashi and Jack.
2: Aku is completely destroyed in the future
3: Ashi uses the last of his powers to send Jack back to also save his own future
4: Everyone in the future is still there, now in an Aku ridden world and Jack is home where Aku is also destroyed

I was so disappointed that Jack didn't defeat or even fought the Aku that had been tormenting him for 50 years, but instead just suddenly appears in the past where he swings his swords just a few times to completely end the version of Aku that has barely know jack for more than 5-10 minutes.

The whole thing felt rushed and REALLY unsatisfying.

>>92579840
you need to remember that jack hasn't been gone for 50 years from their perspective, he was only gone for an instant

in season 1 episode 1 jack had just gotten the sword from his mother, had just saved his dad from one of aku's henchmen, and then immediately went to fight aku

and they were both alive when he went to fight aku

I remember in episode 1 Aku attacked and held Jacks dad in his hand while Jack and his mom swam away why didn't Aku kill him.

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>>92574330
Post YFW this scene.


Such SATISFACTION seeing Aku realize that he is dead, that is all over.

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>>92574330
The frantic and desperate way Aku was trying to escape made me feel a little bit sorry for him.

>>92580110
With me was the opposite. I loved him dying like a bitch, he deserves that. That Aku died without EVER having the satisfatication of ruling the world.

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Why didn't Jack just cut Aku's arm here?

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>mfw when the people who came to save Jack thought that he would fight with him and finally slay Aku and create a better world
>mfw when he just balls out with his bitch leaving them to either cease to exist or if it's multiverse be killed for nothing by Aku

This fuckin sucked. Those poor bastards saved him and he either erased or fucked them hard.

>>92578549
Time travel can work anyway you want. If there is reincarnation is S Jack, they'll be born.

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Posting the best scene from the finale.

>>92580267
It reminds me of the Gunslinger, the part where Roland lets the kid be eaten by mutants because muh Tower. That was an amazing moment, but it failed in SJ because of the times where Jack refused to go to the past because reasons.

>>92580267
Everyone knew Jack wanted to return to the past. If any didn't know before, Aku broadcasted it to the world so they knew when they were fighting.

>>92579393
Well, yeah. You take someone like Genndy Tartakovsky, clearly capable of producing top-tier art like S5EP2, and you want him to commit to anything other than brief projects before he gets bored?

Let me put it this way. Maybe he was bored of SJ, probably he wasn't, but now that it's over he wants to move on and the audience to move on too.

More importantly for us as an audience, should we accept this "work till bored" attitude? The answer is probably yes! If Genndy would only get short projects that he'd be invested into with no overbearing demands on what he must make for fans, he'd have the opportunity to make more kino-tier animation overall.

And if that's not what we on /co/ really want then the whole savior of western animation was a meme all along.

>>92579228
Give it a break, will ya? The entire plot was for there not to be a plot, what else is new. I'm trying to divine why Genndy committed to this, not justify or denounce it.

>>92580267
They're alive dude. The Aku timeline was just averted. Everyone is living their lives normally. The only real bad thing about the episode is that we didn't get to see said timeline change or Aku fade away.

>>92579533
Basically Jack being pure is what allowed him to kill Aku?

>>92578188
So there is a Jack in the future without Aku, thanks to our Jack killing Aku in the past. What's that other Jack doing?

>>92580110
That "NO WAIT" was delicious.

>>92580422
Logically they don't exist anymore.

>>92574330I saw someone post an idea which I thought was far better and a likeable ending..

> jack kills aku, but has to kill ashi in the process
> someone jack finds a time portal (akus corpse, Guardian etc)
> instead uses it to save Ashi, defeat Aku
> Ashi and Jack live in the ruined future together, but rebuild it..

as it stands, jack basically killed that entire reality.. including all the good people in it..
fuck time travel
and fuck genndy
we watched Samurai Jack for the journey, not the destination..

>>92575205
That one is more forgivable. Since she is a part of Aku, she could conceivably have all his memories.

>>92580486
He doesn't exist.

>>92580532
Nobody wanted to live in that messed up world.

>>92574330
>>92580110
I felt bad for him because of these little moments where he realizes he's fucked now, but I also felt satisfaction to see him go out like that.

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>>92574522
So it could be just like Genndy's Japanese animes.

>>92580634
most of it seemed fine.
just all the monsters that aku invited kept fucking shit up..

but now everyones dead
scotsman
dog
jumpgood
archers
everyones just dead.
time travel retcons are such a damned waste

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>>92580445
Probably. The Emperor was pissed as fuck when he fought Aku. Jack made peace with himself.

>>92580422
>Everyone is living their lives normally.

I want you to think this through, rationally, what you think this means, for people who lived in a world shaped entirely by Aku's machinations.

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>>92578103
>mfw X-9 never existed to take care of Lulu.

>>92580717
Well Lulu never existed so it's not that bad.

>>92580676
They're not dead they just never existed.

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>>92580344
you got a webm for this scene?
or a link to a WEB-DL?

>>92574522
Time remnant, I guess. Since she was displaced from her original time, entropy had to go 2 opposite ways in order to erase her. First forward through time to erase Aku's future, then backwards to get to Ashi.

Aku or not existence is still pain.

Jack basically did a favor to everyone.

>>92580518
You should know very well that Genndy doesn't care very much about time travel logic, he even poked fun at it on Ego Trip.

>>92578185
>He only had 10 fucking episodes to work with
And he wasted like, three of them on filler.

That finale was shit and it retroactively ruined the whole season for me. Good thing I downloaded all episodes and didn't use [as] to watch them.

>Bringing back the fucking amphibians aliens instead of Da Samurai
>See thoses characters you came to know and love? They're deads, but hey you still got the past characters, even though the only guy from the past anyone cares about is Jack's dad.
>All thoses fucking plotholes in the last episode where it's fucking Samurai Jack, you have to actually try to make plot hoels in something that abrely has a plot.

>>92578547
Yes, but if Aku was dead, how did Aku's future exist for Jack to spend 50 years in? How did Aku's daughter exist to make a time portal for Jack to come back? You can't say Ashi is a time paradox and have her disappear and act like none of the other shit is a time paradox.

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>>92578692
This. This is not ok.

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>>92576483
>mfw jack destroyed aku so scaramouche never existed

>>92580776
Anon it's a children's cartoon it desn't have to make sense :^)

>>92579141
>Time Ripples

This is my theory

Let's say Point A is when Jack confronts Aku for the first time and gets sent to the future. Point B is when Jack arrives from the future and slays Aku.

There is an infinite number of instances of A leading to B. Every time that B is reached, time ripples correct the future, so that C (a post-Aku slain world) can go forward with no error.

There aren't multiple different timelines here, just a time loop that regularly re-corrects itself.

>>92580110
That was shit.

It was literally no different than all the others times in the show Jack came close to kill off Aku. Except this time he succeeded, but you don't even get to hear Aku screams "DAMN YOU SAMURAAAAIIII" or anything, for some reason the walls become black and the Pit of Hate explodes.

>>92580769
That's fine but he should have included a scene with X9 or Scotsman living in the non-Aku future at the end just to make it clear that he's ignoring time-travel logic in favor of a happy ending.

>>92580774
>Bringing back the fucking amphibians aliens instead of Da Samurai

Uh, he was there?

>>92575156
I was trying to forget that anon

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>>92578692
Why you do this?

>>92580839
He was not though.

>>92575332
I am convinced that the concept of multiple branching timelines is the cancer of time travel stories. Even in stories that don't use it, it still taints the audience's expectations.

Time travel stories that have only one prospective future will always be more satisfying than multiple timeline bullshit.

>>92578692
P-please tell me this was sung at Mako's funeral

>>92580865
Branching is way less complicated and cancerous than linear, you're crazy.

>>92580192
I dunno, you try thinking of what to do when it's happening from a totally different perspective and you're falling through time.

>>92580267
>thought that he would fight with him and finally slay Aku and create a better world

Aku literally broadcasted the intro, you idiot. They knew he wanted to go back to the past. They helped anyways. And Aku killed most of them when with that rain of spikes anyways.

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H-h-hes not truly destroyed, right?

>>92580839
Then he was from a split second because I didn't see him, he wasn't even there in the beginning where people watch Aku's introduction, even though he lives in a fucking bar so you'd think he'd have a TV somewhere.

>>92580776
I'm curious if past Jack was sent to a new future since future Jack came back and killed Aku immediately after past Jack was sent. I was hoping we'd get to see past Jack in a better future with future Jack leaving a chronicle of his time in Aku's evil world to encourage his past self to live on and protect the future. Therefore we'd get future Jack protecting the past and past Jack protecting the future. Of course this is all based on just one timeline and I'm sure there are more holes in it I didn't notice. The other explanation is a multiple timeline split.

>>92578692
jesus man too soon

>>92580823
That's because this Aku has no history with Jack. They've only fought once. He has no speeches, no "FOOOOL"s, nothing.

>>92580898
>Couple hundreds guys show up and decide to fight
>Who cares about all the people who will be erased by our actions when Aku dies in the past, GOTTA GET BACK.

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>>92580267
>Most of them died anyways

>>92580676
>Most of it seemed fine

T. Aku. That world was shit and misery for everyone.

>>92580947
You don't need to go on a date with the guy who killed you to scream his nickname in rage.

>>92581007
The nickname he aquired in the future?

>>92578692
holy shit

>>92581017
Or you know, just "Samurai". Like I wrote in my previous post here >>92580823
I suppose now I know what kind of people defend the ending.

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>>92574330

OH YEAH!

>>92578692
https://youtu.be/naXgzmO6NUI
Sweet thing

>>92580968
I naturally care more about characters I knew than hypothetical people living under Aku's tyranny. The woolies, the archers, those sea guys, they are all probably living a better life in the new future.

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>You're back already!?

Waiting for the fancut of the series that removes all the future stuff.

>>92580829
>>That's fine but he should have included a scene with X9 or Scotsman living in the non-Aku future at the end just to make it clear that he's ignoring time-travel logic in favor of a happy ending.
He clearly isn't though, because Ashi disappeared.

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>>92578692
oh...

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All of my friends have come to save me!
I cannot wait to make them not exist!

>>92580375
Jack had no choice in the matter. he spends the entire fight in the future trying to grab his sword and talk down Ashi so he can kill Aku ASAP, but once Ashi regains control she portal hops IMMEDIATELY. Jack wasn't involved in that decision this time.

>>92580759
As funny as that scene was, it made no sense to me. How could that giant stone robot hurt aku? The only things that can hurt aku is the sword and beings created by the gods like the elemental gaurdians

>>92574424
Why didn't he continuously go to the past to make infinite copies of himself?

>>92581183
it's not hurting him per say. Like when superman gets hit really hard, he's not damaged by it either

>>92581183
He did regenerate and then proceed to annihilate it.

>>92581183
Aku can take physical damage from things that aren't the sword, but the damage doesn't actually...stick.

>>92574503
Aku should've followed Jack throughout his life causing bad shit to happen, like killing his mother.

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Why didn't Aku turned into a bat and flew out of Mt Doom?

>>92574424
Because it's not a perfect season.

>>92579009
>Island

I hit space instead of n. Oops

>>92575275
Wrong. In real life, going back to the past would have no impact on anything. Past or future is just a transient state. A bunch of atoms are removed from sometime and added to sometime. Period. The only real paradox that is applicable is quantum colocation but that has never been observed so you can pretend it doesn't exist.

>>92581262
Could Sauron defeat Aku?

What about Morgoth?

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IF SAMURAI JACK HAD STAYED IN THE FUTURE HE COULD HAVE KILLED AKU AND KEPT ASHI

>>92578692
Oh fuck you
FUCK YOU

The made up ending that people thought about were better.

In comparison, even the comic ending where Jack decide to focus on killing Aku on the present because the past is an ideal you can never return to was better than this shit.

>>92574522
because it's futurama time travel

>>92581334
AND THERE WAS NOTHING KEEPING THEM FROM TRAVELLING TO THE PAST AFTER THEY HAD DEFEATED AKU
0/20 HORRIBLE WRITTING

>>92581087
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGZ51MUWPjU

>>92579020
Jack was 25 when he got flung in the future dumbass. As soon as jack was gone aku made himself known.

>>92578126
I had a nightmare that Aku passed away and everyone was crying except Drumpf who used it as a ploy to say "He's a quitter" I woke up back in the past

>>92575275

It would have been solved if the idea of creating an alternative timeline was introduced

>Jack, you can go back and save your world but this is our world. You can't change our past, but you can make your future

Jack goes back to the past, Ashi stays and becomes the Samurai to fight Aku along with the people inspired by Jack and she will eventually also find the sword (since it seems to quick to get anyways). Staying-in-the-future- and Go-back-to-the-past-fags all are happy. Jashifags still get stuffed.

>>92580688
Huh? Jack was even more pissed than the emperor was.

>>92580717
sweet thing

>>92580759
>>92580344
This was so fucking satisfying to watch, but mostly because it's so fucking straight to the point. Aku mocks the giant robot and barely finishes his sentence before getting wailed on like a bitch.

>>92578549
yeah but they killed aku, not the ancestor of everyone


this way they will still be born, and could have a peacefull life

>>92574424
Wait.

>>92581515
It just made Aku looks like a bitch for the sake of a gag.

But at least the firm he took after that was alright.

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Here are my conflicted thoughts on the ending.
Feel free to comment, /co/

>Jack should have stayed in the future
This is a dumb idea. He's spent 50 years going to the past to save his family and village, he didn't want to throw it away and already made his choice clear when he ditched Ashi at the start of episode 9

>Forgotten plot threads
What ever happened to the "I don't want you to become just a memory??" Jack to Ashi. And Ashi became that, just a memory. Is Jack a prophet? But I would've liked to see this touched upon

>Ashi's Death

I think people are not understanding the complications of Ashi's Death. Ashi HAD TO DIE. No, this has NOTHING TO DO with Ashi's time travel. This has NOTHING to do time time paradoxes.

Ashi died because she had Aku's blood, and in order for Samurai Jack to have a conclusive ending, all traces of Aku's DNA had to be erased.

My theory is that Ashi didn't realize why she was dying. Many people die for reasons they don't understand and only autopsies reveal the reasons. In tis case, there is no autopsy of Ashi because there is no body to perform the autopsy on anymore, so Ashi could have died for almost any reason, because Aku is demon/magic and magic is supposed to be beyond scientific explanation.

The reason for Ashi's death could have been anything from Gods intervening, Time flushing out Aku's DNA, or your fucking time paradox if you want to believe that. The only shame is the answer to why Ashi died will remain a mystery alongside Jack's real name (besides the fact it starts with a G)

Feel free to comment

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>People honestly feel sad for an embodiment of evil and wanted him to not die

>>92581565
Autism.

Then ending was shit and if you like it you're literally just sucking Genndy's dick. I'm fairly confident that if I pulled a random guy that watched the four seasons of the show and isn't retarded like you he'd come up with a better ending that what we got.

>>92581565
Jack's name is Gennedy

If the future was undone does this mean the gods that gave Jack the sword were also retconed to not give him the sword back and if so how the fuck could he kill Aku in the first place?

>>92581518
Do you honestly think you would exist if politics for the past 1000 years played out differently? I know I wouldn't exist if the Brits hadn't genocided the Irish by exporting all their food during a famine, causing hundreds of thousands to flee the country. I'm sure there are similar events in your ancestor's past that you could point to as necessary for your existence. Why would anyone in the Future that is Aku still exist if literally everything about the history of the world has changed due to Aku not being there?

>>92581401
>Reading comprehension
You do realize I literally gave that as one of the possibilities?
Also my point was that the world didn't know about Aku's power until AFTER he sent Jack away, which you also point out, and as such if Jack killed Aku right after he got sent off, Aku never got a chance to make his presence known.

>>92581647
This is why using time travel without the split timeline trope is retarded. At some point it just stop making sense even for a fantasy concept.

>>92581253
>IT WAS ME, JACK

>>92581652
im not american so yeah,. whatever happens to the irish would not do shit to me

i would still exist, maybe my life would be diferent and maybe i would look completly diferent but i would still exist

>>92581789
Are you genuinely retarded.

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OK, everyone here is just making their own speculation about aku's time travel ability. Before the episode I thought that Aku could only travel to the future but apperently he can go back in time as well. I see some anons are saying "Oh well maybe Aku can only do it once" or "Aku himself cant time travel" but the thing is, there's no canon information regarding that ability.
We don't know if aku can do it as many times as he wants, if he himself can use time travel or not, if their are laws regarding time travel or if he can choose to send you at any point in the future or if it has a time range. If they took time to explain this at any point in the series not just in season 5 it could've shown us what Aku can and can't do with time travel.

The lack of an explanation just leaves alot of holes like if Aku can time travel, why didn't he go back to help himself fight Jack and Ashi in the past? or why didn't Aku send Jack so far into the future that all life on is extinct Earth and the sun's about to blow up? If ashi lasted months after jack slayed past Aku doesn't that mean Aku himself in the future would've lasted a while before ceasing to exist and could've tried to come up with a way to save himself? Also one thing I can't shake off is... how did ashi know precisely what time and location in the past to go back to?

>>92581733
They fucked up, that paradox would create a split in the timeline instead of removing the previous timeline because that would fuck up the continuity of both universes.

But if they did this Ashi would stay alive and thus there would be no sappy ending for anyone.

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>>92581612
The best possible ending for Samurai Jack would have been THIS


>Episode 9 is an hour long special
>5 minute intro similar to what we got
>10 minute fight with Demon Ashi
>15 minute fight with Future Aku
>10 minute of exposition. Ashi starts to die because of Aku's death and opens one last time portal for Jack. All of Jack's friends say goodbye to him
>5 minutes of Jack killing Past Aku (victory lap). Similar to what we got
>15 minutes of exposition

This would have been the perfect Samurai Jack finale

Do you agree?

>>92581808
i belive in destiny and not in causality

butterfly effect is just a theory

>>92581653
It's not like aku terrorized the world before he got sealed or anything, tard.

>>92581835
>15 minutes of exposition
read that
>15 minutes of explosions

>>92581647
>If the future was undone does this mean the gods that gave Jack the sword were also retconed to not give him the sword back and if so how the fuck could he kill Aku in the first place?

What

Gods exist outside time

Are you young? High school student maybe?

All understanding of 'God' is to be an entity that exists outside of time itself.

Time means nothing for a God. And that is why they hated Aku, because he could exist outside time as well.

The thought of time travel having ANY effect on Gods is completely laughable.

>>92581814
Yup, gendy is a complete hack.

>>92581845
>>92581845
>Travel back in time
>Kick your grandfather really hard in the nuts

I'm now going to illustrate my point by pretending you no longer exist.

>>92581888
then you would not be able to exist to travel back and kick your grandfather in the nuts


Or maybe kicking your grandfather in the nuts KILLED all the good sperm and created the cuck boy that was your father?

You guys are throwing the funniest little hissy fit!

I don't see people bitching about Marty and Doc killing a whole future timeline when they stopped Biff becoming rich!

>>92581887
I mean, both are good.

>>92578692
you idiot ;(

>>92581835
Close but no. I think there should have been more raport between old aku and new jack and the encounter should have been more calm. Additionally, this doesn't solve the many remaining plotholes, most notably with regard to the guardian.
The high-level plan is certainly better than what we got though.

>>92581845
>reality is just a theory
>I believe in feelings
>feelings are not a theory
>belief is not a theory
Go be clinically retarded elsewhere please.

>>92581945
Back to the Future was much more comedic and less epic in scope. No one cares if Marty and Doc destroyed a timeline, it's a story about a high school bully.

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NO WAIT IF YOU DESTROY ME EVERYONE YOU EVER KNOW AND MET INCLUDING THE GIRL WITH YOU WILL DISAPPEAR FOREVER ALSO PALPATINE IS A SITH

What about the Jack that was thrown into the future?

Aku's not there, and he's going to be ageless from here on out.

>>92581814
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22O9zwZQqk8&t=150

Do you think Cartoon Network villains want to destroy the planet? Watch this video.

Like it or leave it, Cartoon Network's vision of "Evil" (AKA Aku) is not the world's destruction or the sun exploding.

>>92582023
*conveniently forgets to turn into a bat*

>>92582023
>flaming eyebrows disappear for a couple of seconds
I like to think this was intentional instead of an animation error.

>>92575275
>(if jack 'got to the past' and killed aku, how would he have got flung into the future in order to gotta get back?)
He returned to the past and killed Aku the moment after Aku flung him into the future. Did you not even watch the fucking episode?

>>92575332
Then Ashi wouldn't have vanished.

>>92582053
>What about the Jack that was thrown into the future?

uh, that's the same Jack that came back to kick his ass 5 seconds later

are you retarded? this is not the multiverse theory. That's the same Jack. Do you not understand time travel?

Aku even states as such "YOU'RE BACK ALREADY?"

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>>92578692
They say all good things must come to an end

Then why are you gone? ;_;

>>92582060
I don't mean that Aku will destroy the world. The sun will eventually go super nova billions of years from now and Earth at some point in the future will no longer be able to support life. Aku being "immortal" would eventually have to move to another world whether he likes it or not.

>>92582065
Young Aku was weak and dumb.

>>92582121
Then why the fuck would Ashi disappear if there was still an Aku future?

with how long they lingered on the portal scene I thought Aku was coming in after them, probably killing Ashi then and there

>>92580829
You can make an argument that people like the scotsman are still born and alive in the future, but X9? He was a fucking robot created by Aku's evil scientists. Without Aku none of those robots would have ever been built

>>92581499
eps. 6 and 7 of season 5 resolved Jack's spiritual and psychological state

the EEEEENOOOOOUGH when he finally struck Aku was a cry of tiredness rather than anger

>>92582065
>*conveniently forgets to turn into a bat*

Are you retarded? That Aku was severely weakened and did not know how to handle Jack.

Future Aku had 50 years of experience against defending himself from Jack

That aku LITERALLY only had that one fight as experience

Future Aku learned to not underestimate the sword

that's why Jack went after Past Aku.

Why didn't Aku just twore open a portal to the future for himself to escape Jack?

>>92582155
>Then why the fuck would Ashi disappear if there was still an Aku future?

There was no Aku future.

Are you dumb? There was no time loop. If Jack returned to any point PRIOR to jackk being sent to the future, there wuld be time loops and multiple universes all over the place

But the fact Jack came back at a time AFTER originally being sent to the future means the loop is fixed and there is no time problems.

Ashi's death only confirms further that there is no "Aku future" anymore. Multiverse is not canon.

>>92574424

He realized he would be up against Two Jacks and Ashi

>>92582167
No, it was clearly anger. He only ever acted in this way when angry (such as the episode where his anger manifested).

>>92577921
Gurren Lagann gave an explanation. It wasn't because of time travel fuckery that should have killed Nia instantly, it explained that she was pretty much past her limit but holding on just for her wedding. You can think of Nia as like a battery pulled from its charger and you lost the proprietary charging cable for her so can never be charged again. One could argue that Ashi could be the same since the rules of time travel aren't stated, but Gurren Lagann actually gave reasoning behind her staying alive, she was flickering even during the antispiral fight and when Simon was worried she pushed him to go on even knowing what would happen to her.

Ashi was just like "oh shit, I'm dead now" and that's it. Her final words were literally explaining that without Aku she can't exist. Compare that to Nia, who's final words were encouraging Simon to live life and not despair over her. TTGL just did this scenario so much better, even if it is with its flaws. It felt emotionally impact. Hell, I still get hype just watching scenes from it. This cringy shit I watched as a teenager still hypes me up despite My Chemical Romance being used for the song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs_kSGJ5Zis

>>92582237
No... It would be 2 akus vs jack and ashi

>>92580774
>wasted on filler

The "filler" is the reason anyone ever cared about this show in the first place. The conflict between Jack and Aku was never complex or compelling, getting back to the past just served as a motivation to have Jack travel the world rather than confronting Aku directly.

Samurai Jack was never about the larger story, the appeal was always the small self contained vinettes of each episode. The final was always going to be underwhelming because it was never the point.

>>92581553
But Aku was ALWAYS a bitch when it comes to actual combat.

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JACK DID NOTHING WRONG

HE SACRIFICED AN ENTIRE UNIVERSE TO RESTORE HIS CIVILIZATION BUT THEY WERE JUST GAIJIN SO HE DID NOTHING WRONG

>>92580865
Multiple branching timelines is the only way you're gonna avoid the paradox in some scenarios. I'll certainly take that over a single timeline story with paradoxes out the ass. Fuck the movie Looper.

>>92580445
>>92581499
Maybe pit of hate implies sealing Aku in his own corrupted lands and the mindset bit is just codename for not being a retard this time around?

>>92582346
Jack saved the fucking world, and prevented countless atrocities over hundred years.

>>92582420
He also destroyed the world and everything it it that he had lived in for 50+ years

One question remains unanswered


Is Jack still immortal?

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>>92582247
tfw watching this made a tear stream down my eye

>>92582346
Jack understood that it was better to create a future unexposed to Aku, rather than one that he shat all over for god knows how long. Imagine how much effort it would have taken to unfuck that world. Easier to just go back.

>>92582247
You're forgetting that Ashii didn't just die, she stopped existing altogether.

I'm sorry your death was anticlimactic and unsatisfying Aku

>>92578692
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GF_tn-VBt3U
>that last blink that links up with the last tune bruh

>>92582470
He's not a time paradox anymore so no.

>>92582594
Not true. I can prove using Samurai Jack canon that Jack is still immortal

Evidence A.) Jack vs Red Golem - As soon as the Fire Golem guy became free, he immediately became an old man and died. This did not happen to Jack when he returned to the past, even though he spent 50 years

Evidence B.) Aku confirms it - Aku confirms the INITIAL time travel displaced the aging process. This means the effects might still be apparant in the past.
unfortunately, based on what the story has told us thus far, Jack is still immortal in the past and we can't definitely confirm he's mortal again.

>>92582170
>That aku LITERALLY only had that one fight as experience
What about the fight in Birth of Evil?

>>92582221

But there is an Aku future, Jack has to have a method to return to the past. That method is Ashi, and she would've HAD to been born.

Without an Aku future, Jack being sent to the future effectively gives him no way to return.

It's a fucking paradox. Genndy just can't write worth shit. Ashi didn't need to die but he wanted to give cucks a "bittersweet ending"

>>92582552
I mean, same for Nia. She had no body, she vanished during the wedding; though she vanished elegantly and not just "whoops, poof!" They had a "burial" for her but there was nothing left of her.

>>92582470
Severely doubt it, though it COULD have been cool if they had an epilogue where he's still immortal and lives to see the future he created without Aku. The aliens Aku invited to the planet actually just come willingly and peacefully to make civilizations with the humans, and things generally being played out the same but without the tyrannical overlord.

That OR Jack's ladybug scene showed him actually aged. It would have felt more emotional with just that slight tweak.

Of course I'm asking for too much.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSra50WUhGk

>>92582679
Time travel is always a plothole fuckery to deal with. That's why the creator of Rick and Morty makes a running gag to NOT include time travel but tease that it is a possibility. They flat out said they aren't going there because that's just bad writing and almost impossible to actually make without fucking something up. They cleverly just do dimension hopping, which is similar but not the same.

>>92582679
You'd think the idea that everybody Jack ever met ever just disappeared would be enough but no they had to make it so that everything after the first episode was pointless.

g i v e
m e
a n
e p i l o g u e

>>92582679
Ashi died AFTER Jack returned to the past, so there is no time fuckery

Are you retarded?

>>92582803
Ashi didn't die, she never existed, even though Jack still has memories of her and him being back in the present means she actually existed, except she didn't because Aku was never alive to conceive her, except she did because Jack could only kill Aku with her help, except she didn't yadda yadda yadaa fuck you Genndy.

>>92582850
>Ashi didn't die, she never existed

Not confirmed

see
>>92581565

>>92582896
Lol fuck off autist.

It's literally spelled out in the show.

>>92574522
Delayed time ripples. Jack acting in the past had to reach all the way to Aku's evil future which could be several thousand years in the future, then bounce back to Aishi in the past.

Has there ever been time travel fiction where causality was ignored? Based on our current understanding of physics, there is no reason why going back in time and killing your parents will cause you to die. Neither Electromagnetic, strong nuclear, weak nuclear, nor gravity care at all that your bloodline is severed.

>>92582957
All the fictional works using split timelines for time travel.

About half of the Doctor Who episodes

>>92582909
This show has Gods being confirmed.

Jack still exists because he has the God's blessing.

This show has Demons, Magics, and GODS

All scientific thinking/understanding about time travel should be going out the window.

Jack didn't disappear with Ashi because the Gods gave him a free pass for beating Aku

All you need.

I
Fucking
Called

That Genndy would pull a Gurren Lagaan

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>>92574330
Oh no indeed. Terrible terrible ending.

>>92582957
Based on our current understanding of physics "going back in time" is a complete nonsense scenario that could never ever happen.

>>92581581
I didin't only want him to live, I WANTED HIM TO WIN

>>92582978
You're the only retard here talking about scientific thinking. I'm just basing myself on what the show told me, unlike you, autist.

>>92578588
Less than dead, she never even existed

>>92574330
That sums up my reaction to the finale pretty well.
Man, this sucked.

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What do you think he was thinking at this moment?

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>>92578692

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Too bad it wasn't like a split timeline scenario, where the future Jack was in would still exist, Ashi would still exist. Though Jack would still have to kill future Aku, but there be a nice goodbye get together before Jack goes back into time, and then quickly kills past Aku like he did in that episode. Still there that time paradox of wouldn't Jack not be able to go back to the past if Ashi never existed?

Paradoxes. I understand that as the time erased Ashi, Aku and any memories of Jack from the future were also erased. After some while of sadness, he started to forget the reason of it, he just assumed that he defeated Aku at the first time and saved his kingdom. The scene with the ladybug is just him having a little confusion with a feel of "dejavu". But this is just my opinion.
Also, how much in the future Aku sent him, anyway. Always had that doubt. It is a least 10.000, 50.000, 100.000, 1 milion years, ? There are mutants and new species everywhere, and the geography and landscapes are all kind of fucked and unreconizeble to he old world.

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But how did Ashi just know she could make a time portal like that?
Like she never knew Aku could do it, and let alone how she could it it?