Samurai Jack Ending

>>92566589

Oh shit, Samurai Jack = Tree.

Good last image at least. This bittersweet ending was OK imo.

>>92566636
what did he meant by this?

>>92566589
You can tell Genndy was influenced by his time with Lucas working on Clone Wars. They have the same sense of poetry.

>>92566764
Why'd his nose go tumblr?

>>92566589
rip off. totally needed to be 1 hour long, it felt rushed. I enjoyed the season overall though.

>>92566930
probably so he doesn't look too much like jack

>>92566764
You gonna keep spamming this arent you?

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>>92566589
If it means /co/ isn't 50% Samurai Jack threads, I couldn't care less what it was.

>>92566933
What will it take for you to realize that time travel in Samurai Jack isn't predestined. It doesn't create alternate timelines. It's not DBZ, it's not Bill and Ted. It's more like Back to the Future

>>92566589
I was thinking it looked like that tree but wasn't sure, thanks for the confirmation

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>>92566986
>Being this optimistic
It still will be for at least another couple weeks

>>92567263
lol you have mental problems

>>92567441
will be "addressed" just like the Guardian

>>92566589
>>AND THEN THE UNIVERSE EXPLODED FROM THE TIME PARADOX

Unless Jack is in a completely different universe from his own. He literally just destroyed the universe because Jack can't go back in time because he is in a completely different future that is Aku-free. And since Aku is apparently defeated he has no reason to go back.

Fucking time travel.

>>92566692
not to mention
>the ladybug is the very thing sets Ashi to the right path
>the black spikes are Aku and Aku's deeds

>>92568318
Aku's death brought them back to what they shoudlve been

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>>92568318
Stop posting this image everywhere, they were living in terrible conditions at the time.

Compare how the main character of the movie Castaway looked before and after he got off the island.

>>92568423
>>92568438
Either the wedding takes place immediately after they return to the past, in which case it makes no sense since Jack's father was emaciated and grey haired and Jack's mother was hiding in a mountaintop cave and grey haired, or it takes place a few weeks/months after they return to the past which raises the question of why Ashi survived for that long after Aku is defeated other than "lol plot".
You really don't have to go so far as to defend blatantly shit writing.

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>>92566589
What happened to the whole King Jack thing and the Guardian?

>>92568864
Retconned.

>>92568864
maybe when the comic series tried to finish the show after four season?

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Samurai-Jack
King Jack appears on the last volume and the series ended with Jack and his allies start the final showdown with Aku

>>92568864
the other Jack sent into the Akuless future does that

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>>92568864
>>92569034
That'd be actually pretty interesting.

The Jack that got sent to the Akuless future is living a peaceful life... presumably. I found it funny how our Jack replaced his life though.

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Never ever.

>>92569123
This is still funny, I will admit.

>>92569123
Lmao.

>>92567738
I'm not quite sure you're right, so let's examine it out real quick:

>Aku sends Jack forward
>Jack arrives in the future and wanders for 50 years
>Ashi sends herself and Jack back in time
>Jack slays Aku

Now, lay those out chronologically instead.
>Aku sends Jack forward
>Jack slays Aku
>Jack arrives in the future and wanders for 50 years
>Ashi sends herself and Jack back in time

Okay so, the problem that stops it from looping is what, that Aku dies in the past? That's a pretty good point to make. However, consider the following:

>Ashi doesn't vanish immediately.

Changing the timeline seems to not happen instantly. What if this is a stable time loop, because slaying Aku in the past doesn't catch up to him in the future until after Ashi sends herself and Jack back to kill him?
What if there's a time loop happening on repeat, and only the people living in the Aku-slain version of the past get to move forward? The whole thing becomes self-contained and has an "out," a direction in which progress is made forward.

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>>92569123

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>>92566589
>Actually the bad guy's daughter
>Saves the main character from depression
>Falls in love with main character but gets brainwashed
what did they mean by this
>Ceases from existing during marriage

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Is it the network's fault Genndy couldn't get 20, or 30 more minutes for the final episode? I'm glad he went back into the past, you can't keep him in the future after keeping people on the hook for 10 years.

But seriously too many points they should of addressed

>No guardian explanation, not even a cutaway
This was probably the worse, if he was there for thousands of years unnoticed by Aku is it really crazy to think he could of lasted 50 more?

>Ashi can use Aku's power to the same strength as he does

I get the reason why she can posses those powers, but being able to send them back in time after 30 seconds of using them is a bit ridiculous.

>Pic related never made it into the show
Pretty sure its referencing to the scene with the wolf, but he didn't have his sword. Was hoping that it would be some small twist.

>Ashi's death scene

Pretty dumb when a death scene is funny instead of emotional. "Oh shit jack I forgot I can't exist, bye". Based on the fact that the town was rebuilt I'm sure this is taking place months into the future, why disappear then?

With all the shit such as teen titans GO cartoon network airs im sure Genndy could of easily gotten 13 or 14 episodes for the season. I don't understand why he would try to rush Jack and Ashi thus rushing all the other plot points as well.

>>92569123
H-hot/.

>>92569557
>No guardian explanation
This is the worst, and it feels like a last minute change. Not only was KMR signed on for the series, but Lamarr did an AMA and hinted at the guardian coming back in a future episode.

I think I liked it on the whole but yeah it was insanely rushed. It needed an hour. This didn't feel like a proper finale.

>>92566589
[BAD END]

>>92570057
>[BAD END]
>the world is saved
>aku is gone
>jack is in his own time
Ya, ok

>>92569034
>>92569094
I'm expecting there will be shit tons of Youtube videos with this exact 'theory'.

>>92569730
IMDB doesn't count.

>>92570103
>IT ALWAYS HAS TO BE A HAPPY ENDING

>>92570103
They just needed more time to flesh it out you fucking autist.

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>>92570228
>not wanting a happy ending

>>92566589
The final scene needs Aku laughing in the background

>>92568864
Aku is gone before he could destroy the portal or kill the Guardian. Jack, now in the past again, will become King jack in the slightly later past, and use the time portal for some reason.

>>92570228
Bittersweet endings feel cliche anymore nowadays. Everyone is trying to one up each other.

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>>92569123

>>92570228
Everything ends bittersweet now. It's fucking dull.

>>92570821
BELIEVE IN YASELF LADDIE

NAT IN TA YOU WHO BELIEVES IN ME, NAT IN TA ME WHO BELIEVES IN YOU. BELIEVE IN TA ONE WHO BELIEVE IN YA SELF

>>92570837
10/10

>/co/ for the next few weeks
>"let me tell you how time travel actually works"

>>92570821

TEN YEARS AFTER KAMINA'S DEATH, TOO

TO THE FUCKING DAY

GENNDY HAD THIS SHIT PLANNED SO HARD

>>92566589
But what was supposed to mean?
Was it just a coincidence that this particular tree survived Aku's reign for thousands of years and when Jack got back to the past he found it specifically just to sit under it and have sad thoughts about Ashi?
Or was this somehow a hint of him getting into the future after all?

>>92570057
>>92570103
>>92570228
>everyone hates ashi and wants her out of the show
>jack makes her not exist in the first place
>BAD END
???

>>92570870
We're willing to do "it's just a show, I should really just relax" for things that don't tease a happy ending then snatch it away at the last moment in a dick movie.

If you wanna stab us in the back with your "sorry, time travel says she never existed!" logic, then we'll point out how broken the whole time travel thing is.

>>92571017
Yes, as opposed to real life time travel. Genndy is such a fucking hack.
>literally not knowing about the concept of time paradox
Do you consider Terminator 2 a shitty movie for that, too?

And then the Sengoku period happened.

>>92571017

Samurai Jack is based on samurai/martial arts movies you know. That kind of bait-and-switch bittersweet ending is 100% consistent with the genre. The fleeting illusory nature of existence and love being most beautiful and when it blooms and then dies like a cherry blossom and all that such and such.

>>92569257
>>92570821
source anon plox
I wanna know from where genndy stole the ending

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>>92571198
>real life time travel
>concept
Are you confused?

>>92571261

>That kind of bait-and-switch bittersweet ending is 100% consistent with the genre

Something a hardcore samurai weeb like Genndy would have known.

>>92571269

"Gurren Lagann".

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Saw it coming from a mile

>>92571198
>You don't understand time paradoxes!

Yeah, I do.

Terminator 2 didn't give us a (bad) romance ending in a wedding that looked like it was going to be happy then suddenly went for the jugular.

I mean the time travel in Terminator is a mess, but "Ashi managed to not be paradoxical long enough to get three steps away from the altar, but then she remembered she shouldn't exist"? C'mon, that's some seriously contrived bullshit and in your heart of hearts you know it.

Genndy fucked up.

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>>92571292
thanks

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Erro sir!
U wan bai bowl of RAmen?!

>>92566692
Im glad we got a bittersweet ending. A perfect good end with Jack marrying Ashi would have seemed like a huge asspull just to get them together.
The entire team leading up to her death I kept asking myself "how the fuck is she still here? she shouldn't exist since Akus future doesn't"

>>92571017
>>92571261
Genndy said that the ending was going to be bittersweet.

>>92571346
Time takes... time, to settle in the new timeline of events.

>>92571400

Yeah, but I was talking the specific type of bittersweet that we saw, where it seems super happy but it turns to ash in the heroes mouth. Like, watch any 10 martial arts action movies of the old-timey sort and at least 7 of them will have an ending of this exact type.

>>92571361
fucking new faggot

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>>92566589
Why was it so unemotional? Why couldn't they have shared a tearful one last farewell and kiss? Instead her last words are about her existence ceasing and vanishing. At least the TTGL moment was actually bittersweet.

>>92571419
I would have preferred she started to fade away from existence right after Aku's death. Having her wait until shes walking down the isle was a real kick too Jacks blueballs.

>>92569034

There is no other Jack. It's one Jack, it's not even a loop. From Aku's perspective he sends Jack forward and then a moment later Jack returns. Are you people really this fucking dumb?

>>92571455
>Word of God says Simon and Nia had sex before the end of the series
Do you think Genndy stole that too? I sure hope so.

>>92571419
Sure, but the GOOD ones don't make their bittersweet endings THAT contrived.

I could even handle Ashi fading away right after Aku was destroyed, but... her lasting just long enough for the day of their wedding?

Shenanigans. Full scale weapons grade shenanigans.

>>92571455
They had to explain it for dummies.

>>92571455
this, it feels rushed because ashi's character starts and ends with 'plot device'

>>92569257
That's exactly what I was thinking the second ashi said "I felt him leave" but couldn't really believe it would do it so blatantly. Guess I was wrong.

>>92571270
>what is sarcasm
>>92571346
The rule of dramatic. There's lots of great looking stuff in SJ that wasn't explained in great detail. Perhaps Ashi managed to hold herself from dying just for so long.

>>92571532
So does Aku's, why don't I see you complaining about it?

>>92571528
>>92571532
I knew her vanishing was coming but the way Genndy send her off was bullshit. But he really should've at least cared and put effort into their final moment.

>>92569123
Imagine the deepthroats she could give
>>92570057
/co/mplaining because of a bad ending
>>92570228
/co/omplaining because it was a good ending
/co/ntrarians in a nutshell

>>92571609
Aku's death was anticlimactic. Genndy really did just give up and only bothered to show the emotional in the final scene.

>>92571609
what? Aku is a character that Jack has been fighting for five seasons with pages full of dialogue

>>92571647
Do you know what 'plot device' even means?
Aku is a challenge for Jack to overcome. That's why his character starts and begins with 'plot device'. But I don't see you complaining about it. Maybe because it's not automatically bad, huh?

>>92570057
>>92570228
It is happy you tard. It's just not little kid happy like you wanted where everyone gets laid, rich, and immortal and nothing is hard or grey ever.

He saved the world and it's people from thousands of years of suffering, at the cost of hypothetical lives.

>>92571646
>they literally emphasized the moment the last part of Aku gets defeated
what did you want you madman?

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>>92571588
>The rule of the dramatic

It's possible to be dramatic without going full on maudlin and widening the plotholes just to make the main character's life suck more.

There's no excuse for not only having Ashi get wiped out from the timeline but having her hang on for long enough to start a fucking WEDDING. There comes a point where you're not going "this needs to be bittersweet and dramatic" but going "how can I make this as shitty as possible for my protagonist?"

anyone got the updated reactionguys?

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who the fuck was that anyway?

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I agree with many that these last few episodes have suffered from pacing problems, but whether that's the result of lazy or last-minute writing.. I don't know. I'd like to think that it's the latter.

I was surprised that they ended up having Jack return to the past. Ever since I was a kid, I always thought that the eventual conclusion would be Jack defeating Aku, and coming to realise that the future needed him afterwards to help pick up the pieces. Either that, or in defeating Aku, Jack would eliminate his last chance to return to the past, what with Aku having time powers himself. I assumed this even before watching the Guardian episode.

When Ashi was introduced and then made a love interest, I doubled-down on that because I assumed that Jack would need to choose between one or the other with her as the centre-piece.

One other thing I thought was really telegraphed and I'm disappointed that we never got to see - Aku returning to full power and becoming passionate again. I thought his whole 'arc' was going to be him realising that Jack is the only thing that keeps him going - a rival, the only thing in the universe which is a threat to him. The final battle could have been a cool way to have him explode and shout in happiness, finally finding some fun in evil once again, before being vanquished.

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>>92571387
anyone got a stitch of that outfit?

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>>92571718
>aku's hand on C hasn't been fixed

>>92571747
Who the fuck is that?

>>92571797
Cat People from Ultra Robots.

>>92571797
You'd know if you watched the original series.

Watch Jack and the Ultrabots

>>92571746
>I was surprised that they ended up having Jack return to the past. Ever since I was a kid, I always thought that the eventual conclusion would be Jack defeating Aku, and coming to realise that the future needed him afterwards to help pick up the pieces. Either that, or in defeating Aku, Jack would eliminate his last chance to return to the past, what with Aku having time powers himself. I assumed this even before watching the Guardian episode.
this

i am disappointed, 63 episodes of implying the above and then in the last one they kill off a large portion of the friends he made in the future just so it doesn't feel too weird when he undoes the future

>>92571771
wheres rick and morty part in this

>>92566589
>lets kek Jack in his big day
>this motherfucker can let Jack be happy
GENNDY BACK TO SONY MINES YOU FUCKER

>>92571837
Removed I guess.

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I'm just going to pretend that "Without Aku I never existed" thing from Ashi didn't happen, and that they did marry and live happily after. Because otherwise, it would throw the beauty of this entire season, the relationship built up by Jack with Ashi, and the scenes where Jack's old friends are seen, out of the fucking window.

That's what you get when you watch a series or a cartoon with time traveling: the paradox always fucks up the entire series. They could just have made season 1 episode 5 the ending, with Jack killing Aku, and then explaining the timeline; how everything has been reversed back to normal, with all Jack's friends happy.

I went into this season fully optimistisch, with the first 3 episodes blowing me away, but desu, not only did the show drop when Ashi came in, but with an ending like this...

It's basically Genndy saying: "Okay what did u think of this season? Pretty emotional eh? Pretty dark and epic at both times eh? WELL FUCK THAT!! BOOM KID, ALL OF IT, NEVER HAPPENED".

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>>92566589
I'm doing a comic about Jack visiting the Guardian after the ending, and rather than fight him, just discuss how time works and contemplate if Jack did the right thing.

I think it'll be fun, since the Guardian has been there for goddamn eons so it makes sense for him to be in the past as well.

It'll prolly take a bit, but I hope to have it up before the end of the week.

>>92566589
IMO it seems fitting, pretty sucky to do to Jack but in the future without Aku I can imagine he'll find someone else since it ended hopefully. In this case I think Ashi symbolizes that one crush you get that hits hard but you don't get in the end.

>>92566589

This was so fucking stupid

The worst season to ever be created

>>92571832
The argument could be made that in defeating Aku in the past, Jack saved countless lives and spared others from unparalleled suffering under a totalitarian cosmic regime, but... besides the fact that in doing just that, he basically writes all of his allies out of existence, doesn't this sort of subvert Jack's own characterisation? I mean learning to let go of his father and family (the past in general) and forgive himself for 50 years of complacency.

>>92571872
Cringe

>>92571872
That would be dope, nice philosophical discussions are a favorite.

>>92567738
There is no paradox. Jack is exactly where he needs to be. He went and killed Aku. His adventures never happened. Ashi never existed.

>b-but then ashi could never send him into the past

Jack never went into the future. He killed Aku. From the perspective of the universe, there is no paradox. Jack went through a time portal which looped back to his own time. Then he killed Aku. Ashi disappeared because her existence relied on Aku's surviving that battle, but Jack's existence does not rely on any such thing.

I know this sort of thing is confusing, but there literally is no paradox. Jack never went to the future, because it never existed in the first place. Aku literally could not send him to that future. He only sent him forward a few seconds. Jack's memories can exist unhindered, because they're just memories, they could be caused by anything. Ashi can't exist because she was never born.

The future never happened. Aku sent Jack a few seconds forwards in time. It just took the universe a little bit to figure out that Ashi never existed either.

>>92566589
A perfect ending. We had romance, drama, depression and at the end, we saw that even saving the world can have terrible consequences.
Extraordinary! And Genndy did not cave in to the SJW pieces of shit, thus delivering a normal, identifiable, natural and humane story.
Good job mate, very few people have the guts to show the world as normal and not in need of self degeneration today.
RIP those blue jumping fat fucks, I loved them.

>>92571932
> It just took the universe a little bit to figure out that Ashi never existed either.

So the Universe that Jack inhabits is sentient like the Marvel one? Are you seriously arguing a retarded point like that?

>>92571872
wait hold on, what if he DOES go to the guardian in "old king" form but it's in the PAST?

Makes sense when time is relative to the Guardian, and he was vague enough for it to mean he meets him in the past, and that would also be a way it lines up with him not dying in aku's future.

I doubt Genndy thought that far with it, but I believe this is a good safe headcannon to assume. Maybe he requests to go into the future after he's spent most of his life in the past?

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>>92571863
I'm just not satisfied on how little effort and emotion he put into their final moment. I would've been okay with Ashi dying if she didn't go out that way.
I'm already upset on how much focus and pacing their relationship took only for it to go nowhere. But at least it's implied their love lives on in Jack. But I would've preferred there'd be no romance in the first place if Genndy was just going to throw it out the window via ripping off TTGL in the process.

>>92571863
>Because otherwise, it would throw the beauty of this entire season, the relationship built up by Jack with Ashi, and the scenes where Jack's old friends are seen, out of the fucking window.

You have to be fucking kidding, 10 episodes didn't build up shit. I've been waiting over 10 years for the guardian and jack rematch.

>but all muh future people dont exist
so?
If jack did a roll when aku tried to send him to the future the outcome would be the same

>>92570228
Honestly, it should have been way sweeter and happier than it was. Authors never get enough chances to figure this out, but happy endings are always better than bittersweet endings.

Jack should have killed Aku in the future, gone to the past, killed Aku in the past, and the two should have both existed, and he marries Ashi, and we get a whole bunch of shots of the future where everyone's living happily in harmony and shit.

But that's not "artsy" enough and everyone's convinced that happy endings are "mary sue" or whatever, so they never go for it. And nobody ever gets enough chances at it to realize that they're wrong.

It's a good ending. It could have been way better.

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>After a traumatizing event, hero falls into depression and hopelessness
>Meets mysterious girl
>Girl breaks him out of his malaise
>He's back and stronger than ever
>Falls in love with the girl
>Evil god-like being appears
>Turns out, girl was actually the daughter of the evil god-like being
>It forces the girl to obey its will
>Hero is captured and faces execution
>Is then freed by his friends
>Hero has a "I know you're in there" dialogue with the girl
>Breaks her free through the power of love
>Kills evil god-like being
>Girl tries to maintain herself, but can't exist without the evil god-like being
>Fades away on their wedding day
>Hero sets out to walk the earth
Really makes you think.

>>92571703
>There's no excuse for not only having Ashi get wiped out from the timeline
Pretty sure that makes sense
>but having her hang on for long enough to start a fucking WEDDING.
We don't know how time works in SJ world really. Perhaps the universe needed some time to adjust to her not existing.

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So basically the entire series didn't happen.

Everything we saw and everyone Jack met was wiped from existence.

Why couldn't have Genndy just let him keep Ashi? If she ceased to exist, why didn't Jack's memories cease to exist?

>>92571981
>Jack is still ageless
>Long after his family, kingdom, and loved ones have died, he returns to the guardian.
>He has served his purpose in the past, and with the Guardian still waiting for him, he is the only other person that he could speak to.
>It is then, that the Guardian finds him worthy.
>Jack is sent to the future to fight a new threat.

>>92571872
Yeah, I was thinking about the same sort of thing. Although, mostly because of there's an implied fight scene in my head. But the way you're treating it sounds like a good read regardless. Looking forward to it.

>>92571837
nobody gives a shit about it

>>92571998
Genndy's a fucking hack.

>>92569557
Aku had no reason to look for time portals until Jack came along, hence the Guardian stuck around. Still bs tho.

>>92568864
retconned

It was a lame prophecy anyway. A king? Really?

>>92571974
No. That's like saying that a chaotic system is "sentient" because it takes a little while for it to settle down.

I'm talking in terms that are easy to understand. Jack going through time causes massive ripples. It takes a while for everything to stabilize, for the water to become "clear". Nobody said that time had to chronologically make sense to the viewer. It only has to be internally self-consistent. Ashi disappears a little late? So what? She never existed in the first place. She never "disappeared". She exists as a memory, but memories aren't substantial. They're just data. Data can be faked.

To the viewer it appears that she disappeared, but that's because we exist outside of Jack's temporal universe. To the time within the universe, there's no problem.

>>92571963
I came to /co/ in February because of SJ and I sorta regret that
If I never came, I'd mostly see the happy type of reaction from normies like you and wouldn't overanalyze it and would truly be happy with it

>>92571932
>A little bit

Dude, fucking people from all over the world had time to get the wedding invites and sail over. That's not "a little bit". That's "the universe is a dick and waited long enough for maximum meanspirited lulz before wiping her out".

And by "the universe" I mean Genndy.

>>92566909

You can also tell he was influenced by Gurren Lagann.

>>92570568
Travel to the future to try to find a way to save ashi.

GOTTA GO BACK
BACK TO DA FUTCHA

>>92572059
To the universe, all time is "a little bit". It could have been months, years, decades. Whatever. It's all nothing to the great Eternity.

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>>92572027
mu bitter sweet

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>going back in time prevents the future from happening
>it doesn't exist as an alternate timeline
>there was literally no reason for him not to take any non-monkey paw portal home

So this season introduced a new character only to kill her off and to retcon the entire series.

Great.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8TZbze72Bc

>>92572059
>people from all over the world had time to get the wedding invites and sail over.

And Jack's parents had time to get to good health. The stressed and aging mother getting color back to her hair. The once frail and weakened emperor finally getting fed well enough to feel more like his old self again, etc. That implies at least a month or two of time.

I like to imagine that Ashi had been secretly wasting away for weeks, constantly trying to maintain her existence through force of will, but she was falling apart.

The wedding, which would have been a key moment in her life, was the moment that she could not reach and she finally disappeared.

>>92572079
To the universe all time is instantaneous, everything that ever happened or will happen is happening.

But we're not talking about actual time, we're talking about a show where a guy decided a (new) main character would be wiped out by time travel, but decided it shouldn't be instantaneous because he wanted to make it really really suck for Jack.

>>92571963
There there anon don't worry those blue jumping fucks aren't dead. They were simply re writen into history now they leave Aku free. That means no boy no jack teaching them kung fu, so they get ass blasted by that gorilla tribe until they die of natural causes. What a happy ending for them.

>>92572120
Well obviously it's hacky storytelling, but it's not a plot hole.

The entire season suffered from pacing issues. He should have done either a movie or a 13-episode season. And the ending itself could have been handled better, even if the overall plot remained the same. But none of it is objectively "bad", or incorrect. It's just non-optimal.

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But if ashi never existed, how she could send Jack back into the past?
If Jack succesfully returned back to past even without Ashi, then there exist another way?
Maybe, with Aku second defeat new timeline was created, where Jack actually meet and defeat the Guardian and use portal to get back in the past and defeat aku without completely killing him?

>>92572095
Jack to the Future?

>Wait a minute, Doc...are you trying to tell me that Ashi was just a false romantic subplot?
>Precisely, Marty! And unless we make sure that Jack DESTROYS Aku in the past, then Ashi will continue to exist in the current timeline and bring CHAOS to the space-time continuum as we know it, causing a chain reaction of butthurt and lulz which will unravel the story and obliterate the canon!

>>92572087
In fairness, any ending that included Jack finally getting back to the past to destroy Aku would have either retconned the series up to that point, or, in a "multiverse" scenario, would have been a meaningless victory because the Aku future would still have been under his tyranny.

>>92572202
He should have destroyed Aku in the past and the future. That way the characters we met get a chance to build new lives and Jack gets a chance to live in the past.

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>>92566589
>Aku pretty much spells out that helping Jack may erase the existences of everyone in the current future
>many of his allies come back to help him succeed anyway

Based.

>>92571998
>Didnt know how to end samurai jack "until a year after it originally ended"
>Last episode of season 4 was 2004
>Gurren Lagann started airing in 2007, 3 years later
>genndy talks about this recurring dream he had since he was a kid, as inspiration for season 5
Genndy is the guy who thinks up a new invention but someone just started mass producing and slightly better so you're shit out of luck

>>92569257
I fucking knew it was going to happen.

>>92572027
>Why couldn't have Genndy just let him keep Ashi? If she ceased to exist, why didn't Jack's memories cease to exist?
That's the part that really gets me. I mean, the entire thing is so cliche that it's been done exactly the same before, but in this case it really had no reason to happen to begin with. It didn't add anything to the story. It's like Genndy wanted to go "Okay so he's back to the past and everything is good again, but good endings suck, so how can we make this as bittersweet as we can?"

>>92566948
I definitely agree it needed to be an hour, so many scenes were rushed, like how it went instantly from everyone watching the television where they were, to suddenly all at the same time being at Aku's fortress
the big battle felt very short and small-scale

I did like the suddenness of Jack telling Ashi that she has Aku's power, and before Jack or Aku even realize what that means, she just sends them back in time right away; the "OH SHIT" look on Aku's face was priceless

epilogue needed to be longer, I would have appreciated a scene of Jack talking to his parents for the first time in 50 years about his adventures and how hard it was
and I think we needed a bit more time after Ashi's disappearance to show how hard it hit Jack before he wanders off alone and dishevelled on a horse

I don't think it was horrible, just very very rushed

>>92570961
>everyone hates ashi

A grand total of 1/5th of /co/ hates her.
http://www.strawpoll.me/12982841/r

>>92572054
I'm sure most people won't be able to accept this, for infinite reasons, but I think it was the motherfucking power of love. Yeah, I'm going there. For christ's sake, Ashi becomes unbound from the literal embodiment of evil because of what now? Jack saying she loves her? No fucking way! Clearly, one (relative) asspull leads into another, meaning that love allowed Ashi to exist that much longer.

Of course, this can and should be argued over. Especially since it's probably not a satisfying answer for anyone. In the end, the original samurai jack wasn't too complicated to begin with, so I'm personally okay with a uncomplicated ending that doesn't make perfect logical sense. The power of love is the closest I've gotten to clearly established answer, though.

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>>92566589
One thing's for sure. Even though his scientific know-how only managed to get to above-average combustible engines/motorized vehicles, analogue firearms, and brute applications of electricity and mechanics, Japan under Jack's rule is going to get a big head start on the tech race.

>>92571455
>>92569257
Can't stand looking at Ashi's look on Jack.
She should be smiling with tears flowing saying her final words of love like Nia actually did.

>>92572289
Nah! Now he just want to go travel and look ladybugs

>>92571998
only things missing from SJ season 5 were triangle shades, hotbloodness and drills.

>>92572028
Legit thought this would happen.

>>92572335
>Jack's extensive contributions to entomology

>>92572223
I'm pretty sure you can't do both, the sword seems to keep aku imprisoned. Meaning that if you imprison him in the future, you can't in the past, since the sword is already being used to imprison the future aku.

Do you think the Great Evil Entity would notice the demise of Aku?

>>92572254
Inaccurate. You'll have to wait until the SJ threads die down to get a decent gauge of /co/'s response towards her, because evidently there's a ton of crossposters coming from other boards explicitly just for season five.

Which explains a lot.

>>92572472
Yeah, those crossboarders from /v/, /tv/ and /pol/ must be the ones who like Ashi.

>>92569557
This.

Really needed 30 minutes at least.

Like, a real 30 minutes, not 22 with eight minutes for ads.

Hell, I'd have loved a 40 minutes special to really seal the deal.

Fuck you CN. You cancelled it a decade ago, went in to panic mode as you share price & revenue ebb away, but even though you moved this shit to AS presumably for more creativity and srs bizness you still cucked Gennedy even at the very end. Talk about killing the golden goose.

Any real reason to really watch CN/AS in 2017?

>>92571981
That's the only way it really makes sense. I guess Jack would go to the future after being king (Emperor?) for a while to see how things turned out.

Still, this is why it should have been an hour-long finale. I like the way it turned out, it was just too compressed.

>>92572489
It was way more boards than that. Fucking /sci/ was here. But like I said, it's inaccurate to use say a strawpoll full of crossboarders is representative of /co/, and being sarcastic about it isn't really a rebuttal.

>>92572428
Huh? The great evil entity was killed by the gods, Aku was its last remnant.

>>92572510
>Any real reason to really watch CN/AS in 2017?

Going forward? No.

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>>92566589
THIS was what Jack and Ashi suffered and strived for?

>>92572510
You know, while I doubt SJ would have ended any different. I definitely would have liked a slower ending, hell, a slower season considering this is "Samurai 'walks everywhere' Jack" we're talking about. But still, the ending hits all of the beats it needs to. Jack is in trouble, friends come to save him, gets sword, goes back to the past, kills aku, saves future, and despite all that "his suffering continues".

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I would've preferred this ending here to be honest

>>92572589
I need more of this.

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The way Ashi's death was handled was retarded, but aside of that the ending is great. Fits perfectly as the series conclusion. Jack never strayed from his path, but there is still the bittersweet twist of hero's journey that makes you miss the journey just as much as you missed home when you were on it.

>>92572589

Happy endings are for chumps

>>92570870
The re-run before the finale said it best.
>...I'll go get a sandwich.

>>92572510
>Like, a real 30 minutes, not 22 with eight minutes for ads.
This episode was 25 minutes plus one minute for ads.

>>92572797
A happy ending would have been perfect for this series. It would have really felt earned, especially for Jack. I didn't like Ashi, but I would have preferred that they had a happily ever after than this lukewarm ' Aaannnd one last dollop of suffering for the Samurai' bullshit.

>>92572589
>And yet the suffering continues

please anon i cant withstand the feels

>>92572876
Even if you DON'T like Ashi, you gotta admit she went to bat for Jack.

>>92571480
>was a real kick too Jacks blueballs.

Just like the majority of the shows episodes

>>92572687
I'm just going to pretend that this is canon.

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>The dog and the robot stay dead
Goddamn it!

>>92571646
>Aku's death was anticlimactic

Aku got the death he deserved

>>92569557
>is it really crazy to think he could of lasted 50 more?
Yes, Aku had a reason to scour every inch of the planet for time portals within those 50 years, he didn't before (well he did but he's a dumbass and didn't remember he sent a guy with a sword that can kill him to the future).

>>92572890
Do you suppose erased people get an afterlife, or are they denied even that?

>>92572510
The closest thing to watchable you're going to get in 2017 is probably Clarence. Although, you can probably tell for yourself whether or not 11 minutes of some kid's dipshit adventures is what you want to watch or not. Same can be applied to SU and AT.

However, apparently there's a Megaman cartoon in the pipeline for 2018, so I'm hoping we're onto a "something so bad it's enjoyable" situation.

>>92572911
Arguably, but that doesn't change the fact that it was super fucking lame to watch.

The final """"fight"""" was genuinely uninspired. I guess Genndy was hoping that the novelty of seeing the scene from ep 1 would carry it, but it really didn't.
The final fight felt like a contrivance more than anything, something they *had* to show to tie up a loose end, rather than a climactic duel between lifelong enemies.

I also hated how little attention they devoted to Jack completing his quest and reuniting with his family.
Overall: the weakest or 2nd weakest episode, in my opinion.

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I enjoyed this segment though. Cunt had it coming after escaping death every other day Jack got him on the ropes.
Why did his tree explode though?

>>92572551
I think you missed a joke, mate.

>>92572947

Oh I agree that the fight could have had an extra minute or two of Aku fighting back but any death that didn't involve Aku fleeing like a scared little bitch wold have been wrong.

>>92572973

Aku's final moments being a Loony Tunes blinking eye gag was perfect.

>>92572963
The final battle was basically the one the world's rebels had in the future, which I don't totally mind and quite enjoyed. What I didn't like was how truncated the conclusion was (not enough time to depressurize from the fight or deal tastefully with Ashi disappearing). And, of course, it's just plain depressing how Jack and people he cares about get one last kick in the dick from the world.

>>92572589
Will there even be an Ashi in the afterlife, waiting for Jack?

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>>92572589
I don't want these feels

>>92572973

This. I like how Jack wasn't fucking around with him. It was the talk and Jack not keeping up a relentless attack that allowed Aku to get the drop on him the first time. He knew he had one chance to take Aku out and he just went for it

>>92572982
Someone just needs to cut in the first ep fight with the final ep and see how that works

>>92568864
Well he had a beard and did go back in time, so that image just represents Jack at some point between s4 and s5.

I wish Genndy had just thrown in a completely out of left field ending

like Ashi tries to take Jack back to the past thinking she has Aku's powers but really she can't control them properly yet so they end up in some random time period instead

the ending we got was just too predictable

>>92573030

Have I got a treat for you !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGZ51MUWPjU

>>92573045

>the ending we got was just too predictable

This reminds me of the complaints about the Breaking Bad ending. Predictable is not bad.

>>92573057
Thanks.

>mako's voice for the redux opening of aku bragging
>painfully obvious when it switched over to greg
Will it ever stop hurting, /co/?

>>92570955
Look around at the valley. Aku destroyed everything else but that one tree. In a past without Aku, the valley is flourishing.

>>92571738
There's a rumour that it's supposed to be a reference to Brak from Space Ghost.

>>92573071

And the Sopranos. It's very rare for an ending to be praised in any medium.

>>92573045
I'm glad you're not Genndy because your idea is retarded.

>I do not want you to become just a memory

>>92571746
I just want you to know that I really like what you wrote. Your story seems so much more fitting than the canon ending.

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6/10 final episode, but made 7/10 just for that final reaction from Future Aku realizing he's fucked.

The pacing, as always, prevents it from being particularly great. Rushing the introduction scene feels like a lost opportunity, as does the reaction from Jack after Aku is killed. I mean, 50 years in a future made by Aku and the only reaction is a stoic "It is done"? Really? If Jack was 25 when he first went to face Aku, then he spent 2/3rds of his life trying to catch that white whale. I would have no idea what to do with myself.
Regardless, one gets the feeling Genndy crammed in as much as he wanted to tell for this final episode without leaving anything out or giving out any particularly gaping plotholes.

He finally ended the series.
>Genndy's fw
Yes, Mr. Genndy. It's done.

>>92573117

>And the Sopranos

Whether or not you liked that ending, it was NOT predictable. People thought the power had gone out in their TV's when it first happened.

>>92571552
Yeah, it's not a time paradox, Aku's existence is tied to her own. I'm sure CELTIC MAGIC kills him in the alternate future, which is what she felt. That could explain why he still remembers her to the end.

>>92573071
yeah it was safe but the main complaint I'm seeing is everyone wanting every cliche in the book and mad we didn't get it. Jack didn't NEED kids, Jack didn't NEED to have some moral debate with Aku over good an evil. Aku got Aku'd in the end, it was simple yet a fitting end. Not to mention this whole thing is a closed looped so everyone lamenting on how all that suffering never happened are one silly for thinking none of it mattered if in the end the defeat of Aku was the only objective and two it DID all happen so Jack could emerge with Ashi as soon as Aku TWOAH'd open a portal.

endings are rarely stratifying but with the subtleties we did get I'm fine with that. JACK GOT BACK. Who would have ever thought we'd actually see that?

>>92571746
>The final battle could have been a cool way to have him explode and shout in happiness, finally finding some fun in evil once again,

We got this though. He was in clear delight when he made the broadcast and when he was fucking up the army. It was only when the stone Samurai started punching him in the face that he got pissed off

>>92569257
I fucking called it!

>>92573151

Fair enough. I should have gone with Lost instead. That had people groaning for months with the "We're all already dead" shit

A good ending is the ultimate test for a show because even the greatest can fumble it easily. The ending for Jack is by no means one of the worst I've seen

>>92573170

The people who wanted Jack to live happily ever after are the worst. There's a reason you almost never see that outside of Disney fairy tales

>>92573071

well the real problem was that it was predictable but also rushed

in order to do a predictable ending like that right you have to give the viewer ample time to bask in the fulfillment of the protagonist(s) finally achieving their goals
showing the fruits of their success from every angle and in strong detail
thats how you achieve that cathartic release of positive closure

this ending we got glosses over way too much stuff and just goes right to the point because of obvious time constraints
it also doesn't help that Genndy's natural directing style that is present for the entire show often takes a methodical and detail oriented approach which makes this ending seem out of place

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>>92566589
>go to watch episode online
>don't know where the fuck to watch it
>type in Samurai Jack last episode
>mfw first result

How is this allowed? Holy shit.

Note: actual spoilers.

>>92572687
>Scaramouche getting a happy ending
Literally a mass murderer

So...Anyone else a little disappointed that we never got to learn Jack's actual name?

>>92573205

>A good ending is the ultimate test for a show because even the greatest can fumble it easily. The ending for Jack is by no means one of the worst I've seen

Yeah, I generally enjoyed the ending even if it didn't have much breathing room for the emotional beats to land. The final fight with Aku was perfect though, and that papered up a lot of holes for me.

This was a pretty good last season. Episode 9 was the only one that fell flat for me, the rest was a nice little conclusion to a series that I never expected to get one.

>>92573244
Predictable isn't wrong if the execution is bang-on, yes. The ending as it was would still be a very bitter one, but probably more moving.

>>92573276

No because it's not important. It's Takeshi. Happy now?

>>92573276
It's Jaku.

>>92573269
Not in the timeline where he never became an assassin, which is what that whole post is about. A future without Aku.

>>92573276
No. The only thing that mattered was Jack getting back.

>>92569557
>I'm glad he went back into the past, you can't keep him in the future after keeping people on the hook for 10 years.

Except you can?
They could have easily had Jack elect to remain in the future, and have it be beautifully done.
What is more poetic, if not for the Samurai to realize that the past is in the past, and it's better to live in the present while looking to the future?
That's some grade A life lesson shit.

>Ashi going with Jack when she TWOAH OPEN A PORTAL IN TIME
>Not FLINGING HIM INTO THE PAST alone and making her apparent sacrifice more poignant
>No shot of things changing in the future, including Aku and Ashi fading from existence
>No Jack carrying that weight
7/10 it was okay

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>I do not want you to become just a memory.
>it's exactly what happened.

Fucking KINO piece of heartbreaking horsehair.

>>92573330
The timeline where aku doesn't exist to urge scientists to mass produce robots to expedite his evil?

>>92573244

Man jack was fucked from the start with being predictable. I actually think it was less predictable that he went to the past instead of staying in the future. I never thought that would happen

>>92573341
>Ashi tried to reassure him
>and Ashi was wrong

Do you think Jack is ever going to get close to anyone again? Seems like no matter what, he loses them if he does.

>>92573341
Why did her face get longer and longer?

I don't understand how the time works.

So:
>Aku sends Jack into the future
>Ashi brings Jack back
>Jack slays Aku, making the future not happen
>Ashi fades away because the future didn't happen

But if the future didn't happen, how did Jack back end up in his own time? Ashi didn't exist to send him back.

>>92573389

Time travel nigga. I ain't gotta explain shit

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>>92566589
I'm sorry but this ending was shit. It feels like there wasn't a proper resolution. And don't even get me started on the wedding which was literally ripped straight from Gurren Lagann. I had more faith in Genndy, even though the quality of this season took a massive nose dive as it went on.

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Now let me call out all the names o' me daughters who won't exist when you go back in time and change the past.

>>92573341
>jack and Ashi get married have children and grand children
>50 years later, when Ashi and jack are with their grandsons
>their grandsons and Ashi get replaced by others, the time had catches up to the exact amount of time jack was on the future.
>one of the grandchildren of jack tells him if he is ok
>jack answers: age its playing tricks on my memories
>the kids go with the elderly lady(it's actually the little girl from jack's flashbacks)
>then a ladybug flies to jack and he smile.
>credits start rolling.
Fin.

A better ending, I think.

>>92573389

Because Aku was killed by Jack, who was exactly where he was supposed to be in time.

>>92573433
But undoing Aku which undid Ashi should have undone the travel.

>>92571738
An Imakandian child.

>>92573337
It's some grade A bullshit. That present is rampant with destruction, evil, and corruption, even without Aku. Then there's the 1000 years of suffering under an unstoppable Aku, and last but not least Jack's people. Guy is just supposed to forget about them and leave them to be tortured and killed?

Putting the past behind you and trying to build a better future is a fine lesson, but context matters. Any ending where Jack deliberately chooses to stay in the future when he could go back and prevent untold death and suffering is retarded. An ending where he couldn't go back would shift the tone of the lesson from "Let go" to "Deal with it".

>>92572982
Jack just did the finishing blow that the season 1 Jack failed to do. Aku was already on the brink of being defeated whenever Jack and Ashi appeared. Call it anti-climactic but it does make sense.

>>92573449

Jack was sent back to the time he was in.
Him killing Aku in the past doesn't affect him because he was never supposed to be sent to the future in the first place.
When Aku died, all traces of his magic faded. Including the magic that sent Jack to the future in the first place.
Jack was spared because that's where Jack was supposed to be.

It's a time loop.

>>92573369
The timeline where scatbots are made for music and performance, not murder and mayhem.

I don't like it. I used to think I like all out final battles where all the warriors join in, but Jack taught me I was wrong.
Also Gurren Lagann ending is fucking lame. I don't want to say "Ashi was a mistake", but it just begging for it. That said:
>Ashi, you have Aku's powers!
>I do?
>*time portal*
Good thinking.

So yeah, worst season of them all. Feels unnecessary, despite me craving for resolution of the story.

>>92573475

Also to add to your point I think people forget that when Jack got his sword back he resolved to stay in the future to kill Aku. Ashi sent them back in time. He never asked her to do it

>>92573449
Parallel timelines.
Aku's existence transcends timelines.

Take your pick.

>>92573263
Won't help you now but I go to desuarchive and search mega in /co/'s archive to find the link people poste after each episode.

>>92573514
>I don't like it. I used to think I like all out final battles where all the warriors join in, but Jack taught me I was wrong.

Harry Potter taught me that

Why didn't they use Mako voice clips in the scene where Aku sends Jack to the past ?
Baldwin sounded especially shitty there.

>>92571306
At least they could have made an epiloge where everyone that died in the future now live a happy alternate life.

>>92573377
Trying REALLY hard to break asian stereotypes

>>92573528
>Aku's existence transcends timelines.

Then Ashi wouldn't have faded

>>92573561
She said she felt Aku leave her. I guess in the end she couldn't survive without his half forever?

>>92573429
Would the traveling back in time to undo the future make more sense if we got to see Aku viscerally destroy the assembled armies? It felt like they played safe with the violence and death for this big devastating war, pulling a lot of the emotional investment out because we don't see people dying on screen except the squadron smashed by Aku's hand at the start and the robots in the stone mech. It felt like the battle was still happening and that they were all still alive with the discretion shots, even after the spike rain.

If it was really hammered in that everyone who assembled was dead it pulls out the 'reason' to stay in the future. Scotsman's bagpipe music shouldn't have stopped the death spike rain since that would have been the best way to achieve the total defeat.

>>92573550
Because they had to record new lines immediately after and Mako wasn't available.

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Ashi's death was fucking pointless and senseless.

>>92573585
It's not the case. Aku isn't her father, her father is some guy.

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I really wish I hadn't watched Legend Quest now since its finale was pretty similar (as was the core conflict of man vs dark god) to how Jack's turned out and it had a number of clever twists that culminated in a rather unconventional ending to the main story:

https://kimcartoon.me/Cartoon/Legend-Quest/Episode-13-The-Serpent-and-the-Egg?id=74505

https://kimcartoon.me/Cartoon/Legend-Quest/Episode-13-The-Serpent-and-the-Egg?id=74505

>>92573595

I see your point but I think it would have be very grim for all Jacks friends to die and not really in line with what the show is. I mean he was saved by talking dogs and a rave girl with a fantastic ass. The shows always been slightly comedic and ridiculous so that would be way to much of a departure

>>92572510
>Any real reason to really watch CN?
Not any more, I think they're done and they realise it. They're resigned to just grinding out merch-makers now. TV for cartoons is dead.

>>92573475
>That present is rampant with destruction, evil, and corruption, even without Aku.
It was also rampant with hope, goodness, and as displayed in the finale, people willing to take back their world from a despot and rebuild thanks to one Samurai's influence.

>Then there's the 1000 years of suffering under an unstoppable Aku,
In the past. Their suffering is long over.

>and last but not least Jack's people. Guy is just supposed to forget about them and leave them to be tortured and killed?
He didn't leave them to be tortured and killed. They were already tortured and killed.
The opposite argument can be made for the people of the future.
All of those people that wouldn't exist, wiped out because Jack killed Aku in the past and undid the circumstances that lead to their births in the first place.

Would you go back in time and stop the holocaust if you had the chance, knowing full well that doing so would could stop everyone you've ever cared for from existing?

>>92573639

Aku is her father. The mother drank shapeshifting demon cum. Normal rules do not apply

>>92572973
Aku even said "WAIT!"
>Jack: *thinks* Not this this time Akunt!

>>92573655
>I see your point but I think it would have be very grim for all Jacks friends to die
You're right.
It's less grim if they all just cease to exist once the timeline resolves itself.
All of his friends dying wouldn't have mattered. They were all going to stop existing in 5 minutes.

>>92573659
>Would you go back in time and stop the holocaust if you had the chance, knowing full well that doing so would could stop everyone you've ever cared for from existing?

No but your analogy doesn't work because Jack is going back to save his family and people

>>92573639
>Aku isn't her father
Yes he is!

>>92573705
>No but your analogy doesn't work because Jack is going back to save his family and people

Family I'll give you.
But people?
That's subjective. Who were Jack's people? The ones he grew up with, spend his childhood with before going on his world wide tour of training...Or the people he walked among for 50 years, solving their problems and bonding with them?

>>92566909
I felt that when Aku dropped spikes on everyone, it felt similar to the airship with the giant firing cylinder in the Windo short.

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>>92566589

it bothers me the only reason Ashi had to die was because Jack killed Aku in the past rather than just killing him in the future and then going back to the past and sealing him up

Ashi could have lived in the past with Jack and Aku would still die just not till later

>>92573415
Even the Gurren Lagann ending was better. I personally didn't like it, but as a bittersweet ending it was great. Nia didn't just vanish while walking down the aisle. She got married and then vanished with a smile on her face because she had no regrets. Ashi just collapses, looks painful and sad and then poof, leaving Jack and everyone there in sorrow. That's not a bittersweet ending, that's just a bitter ending.

>>92573740
>solving their problems and bonding with them?

Apart from the Scotsman he spends about a day with all those people. He's literally the prince of his land. The people he grew up with are more important than the people he helped out that one time.

I always liked that background woowoowoo noise everytime Aku was on screen. Gave it a real ineasy feel.

>>92573784
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KUlbPV_BeM

>>92573784

There's a noise that accompanies that that reminds me of a walk in fridge

OST when? That was the only consistently good thing about this season.

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>>92573337
YOU HAVE FORGOTTEN JACK'S PURPOSE

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>>92571998
Man this is so true it hurts.

>>92573659
I would definitely go back in time to save my friends, family, and prevent 1000 years of evil. The fact that their suffering is "over" doesn't change the fact that I would be condemning them to that fate. And for what, a chance to fix a broken planet? When I could just go back and prevent it from being broken in the first place? If my future friends cease to exist, tough titties. If they had learned anything from my heroism, they would be willing to sacrifice their chances at existing for the greater good.

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>>92572589
I can at least pretend these are canon right?
That they take place before they get married somehow?

I have two main problems with the ending:

- The way many beloved characters were simply erased without that ever being addressed. From the audience's point of view, we are more invested in the Scotsman or the dog archaeologists more than in Jack's family or the multicultural trainers, so why the fuck don't we get at least an emotional goodbye moment for them? I can be okay with them being erased, there is narrative justification for that, but I am not okay with them being just ignored and forgotten forever.

- Ashi's erasing makes no sense. If Ashi is erased, then so should Jack's future self and thus undoing the actual finale. It felt like a cheap move to make the finale artificially bittersweet. It didn't feel organic, it felt forced. The bittersweetness could have come from the realization that Jack's future allies would never exist and keep Ashi as a reminder of a future that never was.

Fuck, this was disappointing.

>>92573760
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CG-N5HfD2k

>>92573763
If Ashi hadn't disappeared after Aku being sealed then that would mean Aku won somehow and did everything he did again.

>>92573840

Well the kingdom had to be repaired and Jacks friends traveled to Japan by boat so it's likely they had months together. So they had enough time for stuff like this, anon

>>92573847
Our emotional goodbye was seeing them come to Jack's aid

>>92573740
>Who were Jack's people?
The people he spent his formative years with. The people who loved him, raised him, trained him, and played with him. The people that he was driven to save so hard that he put up with enormous amounts of bullshit and failure until he finally snapped.

Those people.

>>92571872
Be sure to tell us when you're done; I wanna read that.

>>92572068
the scotsman was western kamina

>>92566589
Watching the new episode now and holy shit Greg Baldwin's voice improved

rule 34 of ashi getting plugged, gagged and mercilessly raped by tentacles inside aku's essence when?

>>92573880
That wasn't really a goodbye. A goodbye would have been the realization that they were going to be erased and them being okay with it. Them showing up at Aku's tower should have been a set up for that, not the whole thing.

Or at least Aku should have killed them all.

>>92573929
Probably an hour ago

>>92573880

This. It would have been nice for the Scotsman at least to get something though. Say Ashi makes the portal but it's a few feet away so Jack and Ashi have to run to it and the scotsman buys them time with his magic bagpipe then he turns to Aku and says "I guess you're pretty bollocked now, laddie HAHAHAHAHA!"

>>92571387
>jack will never be this happy again

>>92573847
>If Ashi is erased, then so should Jack's future self and thus undoing the actual finale.
This isn't how time paradoxes actually work. I know it's popular culture to talk about paradoxes as these world-ending events or these infinite loops or whatever, but they aren't. Paradoxes are either non-problematic or non-possible. Either you can kill your grandfather without issue or, no matter how much you try, you will be unable to kill your grandfather. You will never successfully kill your grandfather and "cause a paradox".

Paradoxes arise because of issues with our understanding of reality, not because of the nature of reality itself. Do you honestly think Zeno's Paradox means that we literally both can and cannot move? We can clearly move. The paradox is in OUR rules, not THE rules.

If Genndy says that time works that way in the SJ universe, that's just how it works in his universe. His theory is just as valid as any other.

>>92573170
This nigga gets it

>>92571396
You realize by that logic she couldn't have ever been around to send Jack back to the past, right?

My problem with the ending is that it was completely forgettable and inspired no emotion in me whatsoever. Nothing about it evoked surprise, delight, sadness, or anger. It just ticked all the boxes to wrap things up in the most mediocre way possible. I can forget the show exists now, and will probably never rewatch it.

>>92566589

Ashi carries a part of Aku inside of her. Ashi could exist in the past if that part of Aku was completely separated or duplicated.

This could have been in two ways: have Ashi and Jack have a child that becomes the new Aku or have the part of Aku become separate because of a internal conflict or ritual.

The part that is Aku will grow and mature after Jack and Ashi have passed and assumes rule of the land.

This make that Ashi and Jack have their happy ending as well as the timeline not having to change.

This would also be a potential spin off from the main show.

>>92573239
But Jack can just go to the guardians portal and stop himself killing Aku and just entrap Aku for a million years


Then he gets to keep Ashi :)

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>>92573415
>nia vanishes with a smile on her face happy with no regrets leaving simon feeling a mix of sadness and happiness
>ashi looks sad and in pain and just vanishes leaving jack to just cry tears of sorrow

Bittersweet my ass. That was just bitter. That hack Genndy couldn't even copy it right.

>>92573954
>Do you honestly think Zeno's Paradox means that we literally both can and cannot move? We can clearly move. The paradox is in OUR rules, not THE rules.

Not him but this sounds interesting to me and I haven't heard of it before. Care to explain?

>>92573954
tfw diogenes will never refute time paradox by standing up and time-travel patriciding across the room

>>92573973
no fuck you and your shitty ship

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>>92571998
The truth is hard but it's still the truth

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Nigga this ending weak as shit.

>>92573430
How would you this.
>Ashi still disappears Yoda style.
>Lady bug scene still happens
But then
>Jack has a bittersweet farewell with his family
>Cut to Ashi waking up in the future
>She now lives in an apparment with her sisters
>They go to a museum trip
>The bus passes through the city showing the other characters living happy lives in this alternate timeline (the scotsman is alive, scaramouche is a guy playing in the street for money, X-9 is walking lulu in the park,the talking dog is the curator of the museum, etc)
>the centerpiece of the museum is a black obelisk
>All this time Ashi looks confused as if she feels something is missing
>the obelisk beggins to glow, two figures came out of it
>The guardian comes out smiling looking like he took a beating
>Jack follows him looking like king Jack from the guardian episode
>Ashi´s eyes grow and runs to Jack
>wacha

>>92574003
It would fix the entire series.

>>92574014

Most endings are

>>92574025
no it wouldn't
romance doesn't fix anything

>>92573954
>If Genndy says that time works that way in the SJ universe, that's just how it works in his universe. His theory is just as valid as any other.

Which goes back to the argument that the bittersweetness from Ashi's erasure was artificial and didn't really come from anything previously established. If that only happened becaue Genndy made some arbitrary rules to time travel, then that is bad because it SHOULDN'T feel arbitrary.

>>92573949
Honestly, all I wanted was some brief acknowledgement that they would be erased from history along with everyone in the world. Because that is some huge impact and the show didn't address that save for Ashi. It almost feels like Jack just said a general fuck you to the general future population.

In death, Aku cockblocks Jack one last time.

>>92566986
sweet merciful christ, it has 27 threads right now.
about 5 of them are 0 reply, coulda just said their piece in someone else's thread, but no, gotta be the OP Faglord.

>>92574037
Have you ever felt love, anon?

>>92574017

The only problem is King Jack is an old ass man

>>92574040
>Which goes back to the argument that the bittersweetness from Ashi's erasure was artificial and didn't really come from anything previously established.
Well yeah no shit

The rules are internally self-consistent, he just chose shitty rules.

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>>92566589

still better than Regular Show's ending

>>92573994
>In the paradox of Achilles and the tortoise, Achilles is in a footrace with the tortoise. Achilles allows the tortoise a head start of 100 meters, for example. If we suppose that each racer starts running at some constant speed (one very fast and one very slow), then after some finite time, Achilles will have run 100 meters, bringing him to the tortoise's starting point. During this time, the tortoise has run a much shorter distance, say, 10 meters. It will then take Achilles some further time to run that distance, by which time the tortoise will have advanced farther; and then more time still to reach this third point, while the tortoise moves ahead. Thus, whenever Achilles arrives somewhere the tortoise has been, he still has some distance to go before he can even reach the tortoise. Therefore, because there are an infinite number of points Achilles must reach where the tortoise has already been, he can never overtake the tortoise.

Basically Zeno divided distance by infinity then concluded that at any speed you move at, it takes infinity time to get anywhere.

So if The High Priestess never gave birth to Ashi then Jack never would have won?

>>92573793
Awesome, thanks.

>>92574037
Do you have reading comprehension?
This isn't about a ship but fixing the fucking timeline.

Ashi carries Aku in her. Aku could exist if he was separated or duplicated from her.

The future still could happen as Aku could attain power a few years BEFORE Jack arrives.

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>>92574049
>a revival season of a preexisting beloved cartoon just ends
>not expecting /co/ to spam the catalog

Never understood you fags and never will. Comics and cartoons don't limit to a small quantity of threads. They are any kind of quantity as long as they're not made by the same person and intentionally supposed to spam.

>>92574017
He always was a old man dating a young girl, he just now looks like one.

>>92574073
If Jack had found his sword another way he could've killed Aku then maybe found someone to make a time machine.

>samurai jack finally ges a happy ending and hopeful of sorts

>/co/ wants a zack Snyder ending

FUCKING DCFAGGOTS RUINING /co/

>>92573831
Fuck I hate this EXTREME DETAIL CLOSEUP shit that's everywhere now. And this isn't even that good! Look how fucking flat it looks. A line for a mouth and a few animated drips of water? What show is this so I can avoid it, it looks fucking old as shit.

The 50 years have passed shit was completely useless. The Daughters of Aku could've been created from Aku knowing the Samurai would return one day.

The biggest problem with the series is it tried to go both routes of edgy reboot and regular fanservicey continuity. If it had stuck with the 50 years have passed route and had a guardian ending that would've been fine and have the bittersweet way of maybe Jack having to kill someone that was not inherently evil but was fighting for a way back to the past just as strongly as he was.

Or just leave the story to continue as usual, and actually give Jack and Ashi the pacing they deserve rather than the weird 50 year+ age gap and still needing so many episodes to keep the fanservicey parts in.

Also Gurren Lagann did it better

>>92574095

/co/ is so up their asses with their love for zack snyder that is bullshit

its done, finally jack got his own peace.

the only reason this fucks with me is because of the amount of times Jack chose to not go back to the past and instead decided to save some people who weren't going to exist the moment he actually finally did return
he never should have gotten back to the past and should have rebuilt the future

>>92574114
>I hate this EXTREME DETAIL CLOSEUP shit that's everywhere now
>everywhere now
> it looks fucking old as shit.
You didn't even try.

>>92572028
My brother said he was waiting for ladybug to turn Aku smile.

>>92574110
How was it happy? All the characters that we know from the past seasons were just casually erased from existence with out even a mention. Then Jack's one love just collapses and vanishes from existence on there wedding day without even a proper goodbye.

>>92574130
He obviously didn't know that they weren't going to exist.

If you're going to be this nitpicky, Jack wasn't self-consistent throughout the entire original series. He went back and saved people from being killed instead of going back in time, but he kept trying to go back in time instead of killing Aku. By his own logic, he should kill Aku and ensure a bright future for the people of the future before going back in time.

>Don't go back in time if it means people will die
>but it's okay to go back in time and leave Aku alive to slaughter untold billions

The original wasn't exactly a masterpiece of consistency. You just never noticed because it was episodic instead of serial. Plus nostalgia goggles plus you just didn't really care.

>>92573847
To say it is not all negativity, two things I liked:

- How no-nonsense Jack and Ashi were about killing Aku. I like that as soon as she realizes she has Aku powers about the first thing she does is to open a time portal, and Jack just massacres Aku as soon as he gets out of it.

- No teaser that "oh, look, maybe Aku has actually survived?". No, he is dead.

- The Scotsman talking about his daughters.

But that is about it, really.

>>92574207
That's three things.

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>>92574160

EVERYONE DIED DURING Aku's RAMPAGE YOU DIPSHIT

Everyone there sacrificed themselves to save jack

PUT THIS IN YOUR FUCKING AUTISTIC LOW IQ STUPID MOTHERFUCKER!

>>92573376
Well, Jack was also wrong when he thought he'd never get home again.