Jack Overall Series discussion

Oh and uh, what did you guys think of Season 5 as a whole and shit. Rather than just the last episode
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I enjoyed it, but think it sort of started off too strong setting an unrealistic tone of what's to come. It's like they worked really hard on the first 3 episodes and then sort of didn't as much for the rest.

Season 5 started good and ended like shit

S4 > S3 > S1 > S2 > S5

Fuck you Genndy, I wanted Ashi to die and for Jack to go back and I was still disappointed by the execution.

>>92563180
Cross posting since it got buried

9/10 as a whole season.

I'm sorry but we're going to need a MASSIVE director's cut of the ending episode. I honestly thought the ending itself was fine, but holy shit, I don't know how the fuck CN looked and said: "yeah this didn't need to be an hour".

The emotional beats would have struck with me amazingly well if they had more time to settle in. But it didn't. Jack is all about the slower moments and letting them sink in and this episode went by so quickly, I know I wasn't the only who had to have felt: "That's it?".

Still I'm thankful we got this season at all. I just really want to know the production behind this season. It definitely felt kinda off to me.

>>92563180
I honestly think Genndy blew the majority of his budget/resources/time on the first few episodes and realized too late there wasn't enough left for the big finale.

That or he was promised more and got cut short at the last minute. He's clearly capable of making great episodes.

>>92564816
I'd say it's the latter. He clearly loves slow buildups and timing, the fact they really weren't present near season's end shows to me he just wanted to condense his true ending with what he had. A damn shame. If it was paced better I'm almost positive I would have cried during the finale.

>>92564974
It would have been better if he rewrote his shit after he realized he was getting 10 episodes instead of 20 or whatever.

>>92564628
He had 10 episodes though. It's a case of planning accordingly so it DOESN'T feel like "this should have been an hour"

I think 220 minutes is plenty of time to get the story done better.

>>92564816
Yeah the first 3 just seemed so well though out, so cohesive and just had some nice really nice ideas in there.
Amazing fight scenes too, whereas everything that came after had a much quicker pace, hurried animation and it just didn't fit together as well.

I don't reckon it's a case of poor management in terms of not handling his budget and time properly, but I'm not sure what else it could be

>>92565079
>I think 220 minutes is plenty of time to get the story done better.

Structuring those 220 minutes so they fit in 22 minute segments is kind of difficult though. CN probably wouldn't have wanted entire episodes devoted to buildup with no payoff, not to mention that buildup would be lost since we'd all forget it before the next episode rolled around.

>>92565247
>Structuring those 220 minutes so they fit in 22 minute segments is kind of difficult thoug
That's literally his job. I'm not saying it's easy, or that the format was more than adequate, but I am saying for what he was given a better job could probably have been done.

A lot of the time in the later episodes sort of went to waste. The pacing as a whole could have been handled better as well as the events that unfolded so we didn't end up with a finale that tries to cram everything into 15 miutes.

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First 3 episodes were literal GOAT/kino/savior of western animation tier.

Quickly spiraled into mediocrity before finally jumping the shark with the stupid inner-conflict resolutions in episode 7.

Overall, the new Korra; pretty much a total disaster.

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Season 5 was fine, but I can't let this go, Ashi was just Poochie from the Simpsons.
Jack and Aku are on their way to the fireworks factory, where they decide to stop and pick up Ashi because they need a new character to rejuvinate the series.
The show started following her, with the audience asking "where's ashi?" when she wasn't on the screen.
In the finale they made Ashi Louder, Angrier, and have access to a time machine, and then ended the episode with Ashi having to go back to her home planet

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>>92565570
>stupid inner-conflict resolutions in episode 7.
While I think the episode wasn't great I actually don't take much issue with how quickly he got over Mad Jack.

For one, Ashi had restored the hope back in him at that point. He felt better about everything. For another, he literally started to meditate, which is an exercise that brings peace and balance, and allowed him to do some soul searching. In that he realised Mad Jack was doing more harm than good, and since Mad Jack was just an extension of Jack's own mind, it makes sense he was dispelled quickly rather than some drawn out fight scene.

It was like a moment of realisation, spurred on by the hope Ashi brought to him moments before. He went from suicidal maniac to smiling.

>>92565570
>the new Korra
Come on, it didn't have an asspull ending. Just a terrible paced one.

Unless you count Ashi not dying straight away as an asspull

>>92566340
terribly*

>>92566585
Went back to the wrong past the retard

Ashi had no idea what she was doing but Jack had to play along to not hurt her feelings because he's a sperg

>>92563180
Nothing in subsequent episodes came close to this.
Honestly I was hoping we'd get Jack just killing all sorts of shit to the point where we'd have a compilation webm of all his fatalities.

But nah he kills then decides he doesn't like it anymore

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>>92563180
It bugs me that only after Ashi survived do we see hints of her "caring" side

What about her other sisters? Who's to say they didn't equally hate it? Who's to say they didn't care? Yet they were all killed with no remorse from Jack, Ashi or their Mother

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>>92566340
he certainly pulled something out of his ass, and it just happened to be gurren lagann

>>92566934
This, what a fucking bait and switch. Advertised Punished Jack and then we got some horribly paced romance and rushed ending.
Fuck Genndy, Ashi was the biggest mistake. Some other existing character could have righted Jack's path but instead he went for le cliche forbidden love and executed it awfully.

>>92567357
>executed it awfully.
Yet everyone was lapping it up at first because le tumblr mad xDddd

>>92567265
Lel
A lot of things were a bit cliche or generic desu. I don't mind him using TTGL, mostly because it's still a nice idea and I didn't really remember the TTGL ending, but he didn't execute it very well. I mean, especially in comparison to what he's emulating, but even in itself it was poor.

I just didn't care for Ashi. He never did anything to make me care. The romance wasn't written well and it was incredibly contrived. Ashi as a character is constantly doing stuff like saying Sorry when she's been raised in a cave for 20 years. And she dresses like a literal fairy.

>>92564816
>That or he was promised more and got cut short at the last minute
Would be a bit stupid to agree to revive a dead show and then do that, no?

>>92566585
nice consistency there, Genndy

Season 5 is the best simply because of its first three episodes.

"Then I demand you to use your paltry powers to send me home!"

https://youtu.be/iwnFArALbXI?t=30s

I kind of wonder if this parody episode had the answer the entire time?

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>I think Jack has been on a downslide since Episode 3
you tell me

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>>92563180
>>92563180
7-8/10 for the whole season. Still wish it was a true 13-ep half-season instead of 10, because historically SJ's most successful scenes are the ones that are allowed to breath; I'd have liked to see what could've been done with extra wiggle room.

That said, there's definitely ways to cut the fat from the 10 episodes we did get, also rearrange some key events to make it all run smoother:

>Episode 5: cut Scotsman siege (save it for later). Use that time to play up Ashi's visions of her mom, mirroring Jack's hallucinations. Second half of the ep remains the same

>Episode 6: Scotsman siege here, but with more past allies as soldiers. Cut back to Ashi searching for Jack/meeting past allies. Remove all flashback sequences and replace with hints at the Scotsman siege; even now, they continue to fight Aku's tyrrany. Make Omen another facet of Jacks insanity rather than a literal ghost, forcing Ashi to beat some sense into Jack so he doesn't commit seppuku.

>Episode 7: Flashback needs some of the same green lighting as it had in earlier episodes. Get rid of magic shave/haircut/tailoring (but keep skintone revert).

>Episode 8: some quick jump/smash guts of Jack shaving, tidying his manbun, & bartering for a new gi during their time at the desert marketplace. No other changes.

>Episode 9: no change

(cont)

anyone have a link to the sticky thread as it was happening? I missed it

I think people are first going to have to unpack that it wasn't the direction they expected the story to go. Most of the naysayers seem to have wanted a completely different story in the final season.

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>>92563180
>>92570478

Finale:
>needed to be a two-parter.
>Battle turns into a massive game of keep-away as allied reinforcements arrive to save Jack, attempting to fetch his sword whilst fending off Aku and evil-Ashi.
>Instead of "I love you!" being the trigger-phrase that frees Ashi of Aku's grasp, have it be a swirl of overlapping audio, including but not limited to: Aku's laughter, mother's scorn, Jack's pleas - latter including the "I do not want to see you become just a memory" from the previous episode.
>Ashi breaks free and goes beastmode on Aku like she did on orc army
>"Ashi, you have Aku's powers!"
>game of cat-and-mouse occurs as Ashi makes multiple attempts to open a portal long enough for Jack to get back to the past. Aku is flipping the fuck out like pic related and stopping them at every turn.
>Ghost-Scotsman gives Aku a taste of 'is pipes long enough for Ashi to get a portal open.
>"Jack! You have to go back!"
(cont)

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>>92570478
>>92570673
>brief pause, then pic related
>"No. This ends NOW."
>Jack goes apeshit on Aku, slicing and dicing
>slivers of darkness flung everywhere
>Allies take the hint, corner/corral any pieces of Aku as they are trying to escape.
>accelerating smash cuts of Aku's bits getting slashed with that trademark SHING
>quiet over the battlefield, save for Jack & companies labored breathing
>It's over.
>cheers erupt all around
>"But how will ye get back to the past, laddie? with that blitherin' numpet Aku gone, there ain't no way of gettin ye home!"
>Ashi still has some Aku inside her, can still make portals
>opens a portal, albeit with much more difficulty this time around. Literally holding the portal open with her hands, breaking a sweat.
>Bittersweet goodbyes-
>"GIT ON WITH IT YOU CALLY_BREEK TATTIE! AHAHAHA"
>Jack jumps in the portal, Ashi slips in too as portal snaps shut behind them.
>rest of the episode unchanged, aside from a more climactic final blow to past-Aku

>>92570673
>>92570864
Oh and I forgot: Finale should've just began with Samurai Jack's original opening instead of the new one, then segueing into Aku's broadcast.

I'm not sure why people said that everything went downhill after episode 3. I mean, I guess its technically true because its going downhill from perfection to not that, but I really feel like the quality dip was pretty slight all the way through Episode 7. The last three were a BIG drop, I'd agree with that (though I wouldn't call them total shit, there was good stuff in there that just going buried by several factors), but what do people dislike about 4-7?

What annoys me is that previously Jack has chosen to not abandon his friends in the future when presented with the option to either leave them and go back to the past or fight with them. But this time he just fucks off back to the past and that's the last we hear or see of the future.

>>92571040
It's the same in a tl;dr sense, but skipped more than half of the described events.

Guys, does anyone know if there's a way to see the full finale thread? All the posts from when it was airing are gone.

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>we will never get to know who ashi's mother was
>the tuning dagger stopped being relevant after episode 2
>we will never get to see demongo and scaramouche team up and wreak havoc

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>>92571564
>we will never get to see demongo and scaramouche team up and wreak havoc

Demongo tried to take Scaramouche's essence once.

Problem is, Scaramouche is a scatting' machine with no soul. Only style, babe.

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>>92565988
>they made Ashi Louder, Angrier, and have access to a time machine

Nice anon

>>92565988
Ashi had a purpose. She had to make Jack regain hope. Jack was too depressed to see all the good he already did, so she was their to be his final leap home.

>>92563180


I just rewatched it. I found it a lot more enjoyable the second time around. I think I was expecting things that I shouldn't have like Aku going out in the midst of an epic battle. It's more fitting for Aku to die scared and trying to run because that's who he always was. Or a happy ending when the entire show has always had a theme of self sacrifice. I still believe the wedding scene was weak and Ashi puffing out was closer to hilarious instead of emotional but it was a decent ending

>>92572631
That's what they said about poochie.

>>92568043

To be fair this is Cartoon Network we're talking about

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ABSOLUTE KINO

CAN'T WAIT TO MARATHON IT ALL

>>92565570
>Overall, the new Korra; pretty much a total disaster.

No but /co/ will push this hard

>>92572737

>Celtic

Those are fucking Vikings mate

>>92572763
Shouldn't they be blonde and not ginger?

>>92572810

Probably but they're still vikings

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The show was amazing.

The episode 3 meme exists because 2 and 3 were the only episodes that function like the original series, a slow and powerful execution of a simple idea.

A story oriented final season was never going to be the same style as the original, if it did the story would have been shallow.

I was astounded at how much character and story we got and couldn't be happier, Genndy's only mistake is going arthouse for episodes 2 and 3, should have just not gone that route for consistency.

>>92572737
>celtic laddies
>it's Norsemen
You know red hair isn't just for the Irish, right?
"Russia" translates to "Land of the Reds" because northern groups like Slavs and Nords are very commonly daywalker-tier gingers.

>>92563180
Should've ended with Jack finding the Guardian in the past (his real timeline), and then going through the portal back to the future, or just fade to black.

>>92571564
What was the point of that 10 second Demongo clip anyway? "Haha remember this guy he died but we brought him back because he had a funny voice, but he doesn't have any relevance to the storyline now, and this is the actual last time you'll see him."

>>92572909

>Back to the future

That future no longer exists

>>92572927

Yeah it was just a bit of fan service. This season has been full of it

I liked all of the episodes (though episodes 4 and 5 were kind of weak), but I must say very few things have well-done endings and this is no exception. It was great to see Aku with energy and the whole broadcast sequence was spectacular, but everything else happened the way it had to happen and was all the more unengaging because of that. Doesn't help that the people of the future are infinitely more interesting than the picturesque wood painting world which Jack came from and returned to.

It ended how and where it started and I guess that's closure.

But great season all around. Revealed how horrible vocal /co/'s taste is if nothing else.

>>92573017
>but I must say very few things have well-done endings and this is no exception.

I bet /co/ couldn't name 5 cartoons that had a good ending.

>>92573036
Ed Edd n' Eddy

>>92573058

Nice 5 you have there man

>>92573036
Megas XLR
Justice League
Ed Edd n' Eddy
Courage the Cowardly Dog
Someone else come up with the fifth.

I get Genndy wanted to try new things to keep things fresh, but clearly spending so much of the limited 10 episodes on Ashi was a mistake. There was no room for anything else to be done properly.

>>92566000
why do you have a picture of this jew fuck?

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Hey guys remember me? Remember how I was set up to be an ominous figure in Jack's psyche only to turn out to be some ghost? Yep, good thing all that internal strife got sorted out with Jack making tea it meant we had more time for Ashi!

>>92573077
That's nothing compared to this 5

Honestly, all the ending needed was one scene where Ashi is struggling externally, not just internally, and then Aku saying something like "Be a nice girl and obey your daddy. You wouldn't live long without me and my magic anyway". Boom, disappearing ending now makes sense.

>>92573173
I don't get people who are butthurt about The Omen.

>>92573082

>Justice League

Not really since Darkseid and Luthor just kinda fuck off. Did Megas even have an ending?

>>92573267
no, but it was the american gurren lagann and it needs an ending

but sadly it can't be done ever

>>92565570
While my heart of hearts knows that this and korra are in two totally different boats, the sting feels very similar.

>>92573173
The idea that he was the ghost of Jack's ancestors was great, but the execution in the end wasn't very interesting. They needed to interact more I think.

>>92573267
Megas had a satisfying two parter where Coop fought evil Coop with the Glorft's help. It was a fine point to end the series.
But I know you aren't interested in cartoon's that ended in their prime rather cartoon's which had a dedicated conclusion wrapping up the story. This is criteria which can't be met because most cartoons are episodic and just run until cancellation.

>>92573082
Kids next door

>>92568656
Prophetic.

>>92573357
>This is criteria which can't be met

Isn't it sad that we cant get 5 good endings though?

>>92570864
I feel like keeping future Aku alive was a good decision. That "Oh no" when he realizes that he just lost in the blink of an eye was really good.

>>92564628
These are my feelings 100%

Most of the series was awesome. I even liked how the final episode went down. But it was ridiculously rushed, no character moments aside from maybe the wedding (even that was too fast). Just the minimum amount of screentime for each plot point to sprint to the end.

>>92573233
He was underwhelming

>>92573485
Not really.

Overall, the season was really good; first half was god-tier, but the second half suffered badly due to pacing issues. Genndy really needed a 13-episode season to give the series a proper send-off, but I'm satisfied with what we got.

After sleeping on it, I'm much more okay with the finale. I was on Team Jack Stays In The Future, but for all of his friends and allies to (knowingly or not) sacrifice their timeline after the dozens of times Jack sacrificed his chance to go back in time for others, it's a pretty fitting end.

Ashi's role in the season's plot is still something I'm fighting on a bit, but I did like her character and her development (and the fact that a child born in darkness 'died' enrobed in pure white). Again, she needed more episodes for smoother character development.

I'd give the season a 6.5/10 overall, but that might change once I marathon the whole thing.

To fix up plot holes, I think Aku should have revealed: "Oh, didn't you know? You can only travel into the FUTURE with time portals! ;^)"

Any story that involves traveling backwards in time is doomed to plothole disaster.

>>92573233
How?
He was built up to be important for 5 episodes and then he gets killed with zero explanation who he was or why he wanted Jack to commit suicide so badly.
Everything else is just fan speculation.

>>92573677
That is, unless it's already been revealed in an earlier episode that you can use the time portals to travel backwards in time. Has that happened?

>>92573677

>Any story that involves traveling backwards in time is doomed to plothole disaster.

When was Samurai Jack ever a show that cared about these kinds of things?

>Oh yeah, the series will have a bittersweet ending

Fuck you Genndy, that wasn't bittersweet

That was bitter with the smallest drop of sweet

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>>92565570
This

>>92566585
I wanna fuck Jack's Mom

Biggest problem was trying to introduce Ashi and making her relevant so the finale had any kind of impact.

Season should have been longer if you wanted to insert your dream waifu, or sticking with the actual setting you had from before.

>>92573142
It's a reaction image don't think too hard on it

>>92573767
I saw a lot of people complaining so evidently the fan base doesn't know about that.

>>92573773
Plus, it seems like Jack barely cares when Ashi disappears so they can more quickly have him reach resolution before the end of the episode. Came off as strange.

In episode 9 why did Jack give up his sword to Aku anyway?

He didn't have to do that in order to not kill Ashi. It's like he just went "oh whatever you've won fml", then in the finale with all his lads dying around him he didn't care and got his hope back

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>>92563180
Someone asked this in the sticky

Jack's Dad was only able to contain Aku in the sword, how come Jack was able to remove him altogether just by slamming the ground?

>>92565570
>Korra tier
Jack didn't free and empower Aku, then let entities even more dangerous than him roam the world freely. He also beat the main baddie.

Overall season was an 8/10 for me, no bad episodes but definetly weaker ones. Episode 2 was by far the best episode and just plain incredible

The ending felt and was rushed but Genndy only had 22 minutes so what can you do? Adult Swim should have given him an hour for the finale

But overall i'm really happy with it. Considering this is the only show that'll ever be rebooted/remade and actually be good and not complete dog shit like Power Puff Girls was

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I was expecting to be a sad/bittersweet ending but I didn't thought it would be that predictible and cliche

Even if it was a "just ok ending" it doesn't make justice to the series anyway. It should be more than just ok for a series like this

I expected Genndy to come out with something better than this having all those years to think about it.

Where is the god damn fucking chart?

I missed it in the sticky yesterday and the bloody thing just vanished, what did it look like completed?

>>92575906
Jacks dad slammed it into the ground and it created the Aku tree.
I have literally no idea what jack did differently to kill Aku, or if Aku is even fully dead

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Season 5

Or "how to troll your own audience"

>>92565988
>Weaker than Jack
>Saved by him several times
>Gets fridged
>Her solo episode is mostly about praising Jack's achievements

Ashi managed to complement Jack without overshadowing him, she had flaws and the show was ultimately still about Jack. She's not a poochie by a long shot.
>>92576272
Well the intro always said "before the final blow was struck", so he was probably on his death throes already.

>>92563180
The finale went to shit after Jack said "I love you." From that moment on it went from an 8/10 to a 5/10

>>92576310
I would have liked it more if Jack had echoed his father's words in the Aku infection, but Phil really sold that scene with the delivery. It was fine but it could have been much better.

>>92576215
You mean the episode reaction one?

No torrent on rarbg? Fuck.

>>92578508
Hey yeah, what happened to that?

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>>92580510

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first 3 episodes were great
episodes 4 through the first half of 9 could be shortened into 3 episodes at the most
the content in episode 10 should have been 2 episodes at the least

I know its cliche at this point but the pacing was without a doubt the worst part of the season. I actually enjoyed aishi and thought the ending was good but shoving it into 10 minutes was a complete travesty. They literally spent more time on the spaceship hunt/fight than BOTH ending Aku fights, the marriage, and the epilogue put together. It almost seems like a storyboard error with how little sense it makes looking back.

>>92578661
/r/megalinks 2bh

1080p link anyone?

I think it's safe to say that this season ruined Samurai Jack and further drives home the fact that old shows should never be brought back from the dead, reboot or continuation.

>>92580614
Nice... but where's the April Fools one?

>We never saw the Shaolin monks, momotaro, Blutoro, da samurai and his barflys, demongo's former captives, the farting dragon and her baby, the temple of doom captives, the gangsters, the lizard monks, the fairy, imakandi

>>92583108
I don't know
>>92583122
They already wasted way too much time on LOOK MUH CALLBACKS. I

>>92563180
Everybody says it went bad after episode three, but four was a classic "Jack has to escape a dungeon" story that actually did a good job establishing the groundwork of his relationship with Ashi. Meanwhile, episode one had quite a few of the same pacing and tonal issues that would plague the later episodes. Just because the gay robot and dog waifu were great doesn't mean that everything in between them was perfect as well.

I liked the ending but I feel like things could have been handled better.

It wouldn't have felt right for the show to have ended with Jack not getting back to the past but I understand why people are annoyed by the ending.

Honestly confused why everyone says the first three eps are GOAT. The pacing issues were extremely visible since the start of the season, and honestly weighed down those eps as much as the rest. The only caveat I can think of is that the first three eps we had no idea what we were in for.

>>92584569
>the first three eps we had no idea what we were in for.
There's that, the hype and also the fact pacing issues aren't as big of a problem in the early going, because at that point he still had 7 episodes left to set up whatever he wanted to do.

As Episode 10 grew nearer it just became more and more apparent because we're left wondering, "When is something actually going to happen now?". The first episode was getting you back into the series. It had Scaramouche, it was fantastic. A great introduction back into the world of SJ.
The second wasted no time and got the Sisters right after Jack's ass. It was basically 20 minutes of tense action, which is pretty hard to fault.
The Third had Jack go nuclear and had amazing fight scenes and most daughters dead.

After that everything calmed down pretty heavily, Ashi got more screen time than what's probably worth and things just didn't flow together as cohesively. The first 3 episodes were really good. I made a point to catch them live. Then I just stopped

>>92584463
>Jack not getting back to the past
Yeah people would have complained if he didn't, but personally I kind of like the idea if it was handled well. Something along the lines of not being able to change the past, building a better future and whatever. You could even bring Ashi dying into it, but that would probably just piss people off more

You know, i told someone that Jack was back, he used to watch it when he was younger but he said he'd rather just go through the series after it's out.

I'm not sure whether to really recommend this to him anymore. First 3 are great but after that it lulls a bit and there's the laughably bad Episode 8, which is sort of embarrassing. And on top of that it's not like the closure was very significant or really even a must see.

>>92572631
a shitty way of making jack regain hope that is

>>92587375
Nah, her restoring the hope in Jack worked desu. By and large she might have been a non character and mostly a plot device (explaining why no one really cared she was killed), I still think the way Genndy wrote Ashi restoring hope to Jack made sense and fit within the context of what's been going on

>>92586402
Just get your personal feelings out of the way and tell him to.
Let him marathon all 5 seasons, see how it is, let him judge

>>92573082
>Ed Edd n' Eddy
How did that end, i can't remember it having an acutal ending

>>92573082
Kim Possible
Xiaolin Showdown? I can't remember if it did actually, but I do remember wrapping a lot of plot points up so I can only imagine it ended well since they seemed to be nearing that point
I'm tempted to say Fosters and Billy&Mandy but the truth is I don't remember their endings either.

>>92565570
>Overall, the new Korra
I've been saying this since Episode 6, as soon as the shitty romance began I got that sick familiar feeling from all the stupid Korra/Mako shit at the beginning of Korra.

I knew then that the whole thing was fucked.

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>>92565988
>In the finale they made Ashi Louder, Angrier, and have access to a time machine

fucking lol, I thought I'd gotten tired of Ashi-Poochie comparison, but you've revitalized the art for me, anon

>>92568656
I choose to believe he died in the fall and the rest is just a shitty dying dream, it would explain all the plot holes and Jack's guilt over killing the girls would be the driving force for Ashi to be so prominent from this point onward.

>>92587926
The whole killing thing just went nowhere
He got his first kill, had the flashback over muh choices and then it basically wasn't referenced again. That entire side to his character and massive conflict lost in a matter of minutes

I don't like how we have to assume Ashi was the only "good" Sister
Like none of the others mattered or had any other emotion, she was just a special snowflake

>>92563180
>I think Jack has been on a downslide since Episode 3, but honestly I didn't think that finale was too bad.
Agreed. Episode 2 is unrivaled, the tension is incredible. I would have ended the series very differently, but I can't say the ending was awful; it was alright. Good at least to have some closure; 16 years later I still remember the series premiere like it was yesterday.

>>92587753
Ed Edd n Eddy's Big Picture Show, tv movie
They Go Nuclear with a scam that violently fucks over everyone and road-trip to Eddy's brother's house. The ending is revealing he was actually a giant fucking douchebag and the Eds act contrary to their nature in order to get him to fuck off and the cul de sac kids befried them. Was pretty good.

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How many times does she faint?

>>92591878
Here's the thing that gets me. She reacts like she's aware of this was going to be a thing.
Between this time frame, at the BARE MINIMUM, as in 'we saved the world let's get married NOW' we have
>Japan unJUSTing itself
>jack's parents somehow deaging
>a giant fucking wedding arranged
>communication dispersed literally all over the fucking planet
>all these people across the fucking planet heading to Japan
and nowhere in this time frame did she tell the one person that matters in her life 'oh by the way i might cease to exist any day now LMAO'
fucking thot
shoulda mashed one of the scotsman's daughters haggis like he wanted

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>>92563180
what was her problem?

>>92592375
She got a cool, but very short fight scene before dying like a bitch, which she was.

Also she literally chugs goblets of sperm on sight.

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http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=PvBpsSRaVLQ&video_start=0&audio=JT6u0bE6vTw&audio_start=0

"It was just... that he was all alone. Always by himself, never anyone to share the game. A man who lived in dreams, that's who he was."

>>92563180
i wish the beardy jack character had more time in the season

>>92592831
Punished Jack, we call him

>>92587593
He's not /co/ at all desu
Jack's just nostalgia, maybe it's better to let it lie

>>92585298
For me, personally, I found the first three eps suffering from the same problem the rest of the season suffered from. Which was just.. super bad pacing. Things were either rushed through, or padded out. A good example being the second two episodes. We get one episode where Jack is basically completely out fought in a rather drawn out sequence.. Then the next episode where he beats them all single handedly with no problem at all. The scenes were all amazingly done, mind, but since it seemed they wanted to tell a single story this season, it just boggles my mind why they did stuff like that.

In all honesty, this whole season felt like they took the script for the movie they were planning to do and just padded it out and stretched the run time to make 10 full eps, rather than one movie.

>>92594451
>We get one episode where Jack is basically completely out fought in a rather drawn out sequence.. Then the next episode where he beats them all single handedly with no problem at all
Prep time vs being ambushed though. It does make a big difference and in the 2nd episode we saw how easily he was able to kill one of them in just seconds of fighting.

I don't buy the movie thing. Movie's are generally an hour and a half long. You can't introduce Ashi, give her backstory and make her relevant in that time while also dealing with Jack.

Wasn't the movie planned long ago? It probably consisted of the guardian considered Genndy set that up around the same time. To bring it back 10 years later to do the same shit doesn't sound right

I agree that the first three episodes were the best, and the majority of the episodes after that never reached the exact peaks of those first three, but overall I really enjoyed the season and I really do love the ending. There are a lot of flaws, I agree, but to me the series was always about the big picture, the style and feelings rather than the narrative bits and bobbles here and there.

Overall, an 8/10 for me. I am glad that this exists.

>>92594538
Considering how rushed and poorly paced the entire season was, I'd say they could do it. Just not well. Honestly its the only explaination I can think of for explaining why everything was so poorly done. If they were going by a script and had to pad it out to fit the season, that'd be at least somewhat understandable. Otherwise they have zero idea on how to pace a show from episode to episode.

>Board Teams: season 5
>Bryan Andrews and Genndy Tartakovsky
XCII (1st ep)
XCIII (2nd ep)
XCVI (Scotsman return and the brainwashed furry kids)
XCVIII (getting the sword back)
C (2nd to last ep)
CI (final ep)

>David Krentz and Genndy Tartakovsky
XCIV (3rd ep)

>Genndy Tartakovsky solo
XCV (inside the giant monster)
XCVII (ashi looking for jack and meeting classic characters)
XCIX (the ruined space prison)

Every ep has Genndy, Andrews, and Darrick Bachman (head writer) as story writers

If they only had 10 episodes they shouldn't have gambled and going on adding a major character, instead they could've just focused on closing open plots and following the first episodes tone, with a silent and serious Jack.
Adult rating and only using it for blood and a penis joke was a waste.

Overall the whole thing was so rushed it became almost impossible for me to enjoy, I doubt I'll ever watch this season again, while I've watched the old episodes several times through the years.

>>92594627
>Just not well.
Come on, there are far too elements in Season 5 to be crammed into a movie.
There's a 50 year timeskip, Jack's depression, Ashi's backstory, Sisters backstory, Scaramouche (even as a joke character he was integral in having Aku confront Jack), Ashi's reform, Jack's seppuku, Jack's reform, Sword return and only THEN can he even begin thinking about killing Aku. There's loads more.

It wasn't done expertly in 220 minutes so how could it be done in 100?
I don't think the Season was as badly paced as you're making out though. It wasn't that poorly done. Overall I'd probably give it a 6 or 7, even with the weak finale.

Episode to episode it wasn't so bad. Things flowed and even villain of the week episodes like Ep8 served a purpose in setting up JAshi

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Is there a strawpoll for the entire Season rating?

What are yours anyways /co/? The finale itself wasn't great but it'd be harsh to say the Season was terrible. The first 3 episodes were so good they instantly put the rating above average

>>92594812
>I don't think the Season was as badly paced as you're making out though. It wasn't that poorly done. Overall I'd probably give it a 6 or 7, even with the weak finale.

>Episode to episode it wasn't so bad. Things flowed and even villain of the week episodes like Ep8 served a purpose in setting up JAshi

As you said, you don't think it was as bad. Honestly, I'd rate it as a 3 - 4 tops. There are too many pacing issues from episode to episode. A -lot- could have been cut or shortened to improve it. And again, I'm not convinced they could have done it well as a movie either, just that it'd make more sense if they tried to pad things out more that way.

>>92594688
for reference:
https://pastebin.com/ZHTbQ4Ms

Anyone got a Strawpoll?

>>92595208
ye

>>92595026
>I'd rate it as a 3 - 4 tops
Damn. That's tough. I guess I'm just not as sensitive to pacing issues. I could clearly see them in the finale, but most of the time I don't really mind them. I sit down to watch the ep and care more about what happened, even if some parts felt slow. To be fair after episode 3 or so I sort of just downloaded Jack the next day and sometimes just did a few other things like post here whilst watching or even fast forward a bit
If anything I just wish the plot moved on quicker, but that doesn't really have to do with the pacing.

>>92594923
>>92595208
Shut up about fucking strawpoll, goddamn.

>>92563180
Pretty much agree with all of that.

I just wish Jack and his father had a scene at least. His father's always been a big inspiration to him and when he gets back we don't even get a "hello" or a "I'm so proud of you..."

>>92595238
>If anything I just wish the plot moved on quicker, but that doesn't really have to do with the pacing.

That is part of the pacing issues actually. Like I said, there were times where it kinda.. lingered a bit too long or was padded out with a sequence that ultimately didn't need to be there. The best example I can think of off the top of my head was the Aishi/Jack falling in love ep. 80% of that episode was kinda just filler fighting that.. Genuinely could have been replaced by anything and it wouldn't have been noticable.

The big problems of the season is that elements it should have spent more time on, it rushed by, and elements that it didn't need to it lingered on. It was really weird.

The ending's was good in concept but the execution was abysmal. I cant believe Ashi's last line was an explanation of why she was disappearing. The "action" was also terrible.

Dunno. I'm a bit torn, I enjoyed all of the episodes, but I also feel kind of disappointed..It really should have been a 13 ep season, or at least a two part finale.

When I look at this final episode, and something like Birth of Evil, there's no comparison. The pacing and atmosphere in that blows this out of the water.

>>92595238
>shitposting while watching
>SKIPPING
take your ADHD meds lad

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>>92565570
not a complete loss

but that ending was fucking terrible and i really want to like it

just the most slapdash "its over just leave me alone" shit ive seen in a while

>>92570999
That would have been pretty sp00ky.

>>92595368
>was the Aishi/Jack falling in love ep
I hate that you bring that one up because that's exactly the episode I see eye to eye with you on lel. I hated it. I fast forwarded a lot of it.
My issue with wanting to move the plot forward relies more on an overall sense. As in, by episode 7 or 8 we'd barely seen Aku in the Season at all. I just wish more had happened.

I suppose that ties into pacing, but I feel it doesn't so much because the plot wasn't supposed to move forward in those episodes. Those episodes have all the events Genndy wanted them to so for me, the pacing can only refer to those events rather than wanting to see other events.

>The big problems of the season is that elements it should have spent more time on, it rushed by, and elements that it didn't need to it lingered on

I can sort of see what you're saying there. I think every episode started slow. It' s like how the finale started with just people looking at TV screens for a while. Or how Episode 9, the penultimate episode just continued a few eww girls jokes and had a campfire story to start it off.

But those things just don't bug me too much I guess. I suppose I see more of what you're saying now but in my mind it remains a 6/7

>>92595399
Nah it's more that I'm just not that invested in Jack. I can easily sit and watch 22 minutes without care, but with other stuff to do I kind of just took liberties.

>>92570999
Well shit, wouldn't that have made much more sense?

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I don't understand. Why is Jack's father, mother, the people who helped him train, etc. still young?
Shouldn't Jack's father be old like how he was in the pilot? Why is he young when Jack goes back?

Somebody please explain this to me

I feel like the first three episodes were part of some completely different show Genndy had in mind but he went back to classic Jack just because, I wouldn't mind a whole new show with the same feel.

Anyone else just not care for some of the fanservice at all. It felt a bit too forced like

>HEY LOOK GUYS WE'VE GOT A HIGHER RATING HERE'S AN ASS

>>92595687
Genndy is a hack.

>>92595687
Thats a plot hole thats not even related to time travel. They just forgot that Jack's parents were old when Jack was sent back so they drew them with their original looks.

>>92595753
Not really a plot hole then, just an art misdirection

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I haven't been in these threads much. Did it bother anyone else how Aku was animated at times? Dunno, something about the way his mouth moves seems cheaper than in the old show. And the angles they used on him were less interesting.

Also saddened by the fact that we almost exclusively got humorous Aku, opposed to intimidating AKu.

Don't get me wrong, he's funny, but something I really liked about the character in the original was that he also had this otherworldly creepy presence. Didn't get much of that from him at all in this season. Apart from maybe in the second ep where the two Akus are staring at you in silence through the screen.

>>92595811
It was cool to see him basically say "screw you all" and just rain arrows on them, but even that was just countered by random CELTIC MAGIC so I get your point.

Aku as a whole honestly wasn't a big part of the Season at all which is a bit of a shame.

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>>92595446
We all know why Genndy chose the ending he did.

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Why didn't past Aku just send himself into the future?

>>92563180
The reason why people are negative and you aren't is because their taste is shit and they're retarded and you aren't.

It was a fantastic final season to the series. Right up until the last episode or two, anyways.

It would have benefited from having more episodes, even just one or two more, because that ending felt really rushed.

I also feel like just erasing literally every friend Jack made in the future from existence kind of sucked. The gods should have done him a solid and bend the rules a bit to let Ashi stay.

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>>92563180
I don't care about anything else, the ending theme was fucking beautiful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRWTiegyIXQ

>>92563180
I really didn't think it was that bad. More episodes would have been nice, but I'm happy with what we got. I just hope that Jack's happy too.

I need mega for episodes 6 and 10

>70+ yo guy marrying a teen girl
creeeepy

>>92596265
Here m8

http://kametsu.com/topic/57530-samurai-jack-season-5-1080p/

>>92596294
>>>tumblr

2/10 made me reply

>>92567357
>Some other existing character could have righted Jack's path

>we could have had mostly-scotsman episodes instead of rushed, shoehorned romance
>scotsman's death could have actually had weight and meant something and been the catalyst that drove jack to redemption
>instead, we get 5 episodes of ashi filler, a final "fight" with practically no dialogue, no proper sendoff to the fan-favorite aku, and the most rushed ending in fucking history
I felt absolutely nothing during the finale. the art and music was there and could have been something great, but I didn't care about ashi and it was all so horribly quick that nothing had a chance to sink in.

it took me some thinking after 10 to remember how hyped episodes 1-4 left me, and how little I gave a shit after that. I grew up with this show, and toward the end I actually missed a few episodes on their premier because I didn't care and forgot. fuck.

>>92596206
>I also feel like just erasing literally every friend Jack made in the future from existence kind of sucked.
there could have been some little sequence showing scotsman and/or other characters being happy in an alternate, no-aku future, something like that. I would have been satisfied with it being addressed all, really.

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>>92596303
Thanks buddy

I really wasn't a fan of Ashi at first and them devoting so much time to a new character in the final season, but over time once I realized where they were headed with her it clicked for me.

I think the main plot itself for S5 was mostly solid, but it just wasn't a story that could convincingly be told in only 10 eps I feel. Especially when dealing with having to develop a new character and have her end up as a convincing love interest, it just felt rushed. So many things this season felt like they were missing and ignored or cut short, like how Jack had to deal with his suicidal tendencies and basically was like "nah go away" and that was that, new sword, Ashi's fight with her mom felt like it ended as soon as it began, or even things like Jack having to deal with erasing the future he spent so much time in and how that effects him which they didn't touch on at all, stuff like that. Jack just ended up feeling really out of character. Disappointing that it seems like Ashi was the only person he ended up caring about and no one else actually mattered. As much as I liked what they were going for, I think they probably would've been better off doing something else with the episode limit they had.

Can't say I prefer S5 to the prior, episodic seasons but I still mostly enjoyed it and I'm glad it happened. Just wish it was executed better.

Some anons told me the final would be 44 minutes long. I wouldn't have been mad if I wasn't expecting that.

>>92572681
>Ashi puffing out was closer to hilarious instead of emotional

This. I chuckled a bit.

"Everything is great. I'm getting married."
"Oh, Jack honey, I just realized something."
"What?"
"Without Aku I wouldn't exist."
"Ohh-"
poof

It was at an awkward time. It should have happened immediately or not at all.

>>92570478
>play up Ashi's visions of her mom, mirroring Jack's hallucinations
what the fuck. how did I not see this symmetry myself. they even defeated each other's inner demons in the same episode. I am bad at watching TV

>>92596035
This seems like a good life principle

>>92563180
I get the feeling that the rather rushed final episode was him using too much time on slow buildups, while good, he hasn't had much time to focus on parts that needs a lot of development. the first 3 got those just right but then loses a lot of steam i feel. the tone

The Eighth episode was evident of this when Jack and Ashi went into a relationship pretty quick rather than him taking it slow and getting to know her more before expressing himself.

the first 3 got those just right but then loses a lot of steam i feel. the tone shift of the show was somewhat jarring after the 4th since at the time went back to being oldschool Jack which it seemed liked he planned it for CN rather than Adult Swim. for a show that runs for 22-minutes, the pacing is inappropriate to say in the least. the very best parts of Samurai Jack this season is when the slow buildup eventually led to something amazing but they usually got stymied by the short showtime per episode or losing direction of where it wanted to take initially.

It still DOES feel like SJ prefers the episodic approach and most of the episodes here felt like they're started off that way before being cobbled up as continuation after episode 4.

Overall, i don't think there's any bad episodes here. sure, they have flaws but nothing that makes them terrible episodes. the worst episodes here are like the worst episodes in the previous seasons. Mildly entertaining at worst, absolutely stunning at best

This series is pointless: It started amazing then fell DOWN hill like my f**cking sex life. Anyway it didn't make sense about the wedding. Jack left future Amur tearing his allies molecule by molecule for months. I feel the ending is a cop out. It went to sh#t when they resolved inner jack and brought back his sword (deus ex machina). The Jew promised a edgier series. Instead we got a rushed epic cartoon that got ruined.

"I bet /co/ has a SJ thread going and its going the be the first thread i see." didn't disappoint.

Does anybody know the song that plays during the teaser for the finale after the end of episode 9?

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>>92596851
>Popular Cartoon Series finally ends after 10 years of hiatus
>GEE I BET THERE'LL BE A THREAD ON IT ON THE CARTOON BOARD

You're a true genius anon.

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>>92595995
Nice post anon
I keked.

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Why people are praising this garbage. The jew just rip off bunch of animu. Promised a edgier series. What a hack.. I missed my favorite pornstar cam for this disgrace.

>>92592305
>'oh by the way i might cease to exist any day now LMAO'
In universe maybe she was as confused as we were that she didn't just immediately stop existing, so she just decided not to think about it lel

>>92595811
>Did it bother anyone else how Aku was animated at times?

Absolutely. He looked like an early 2000's Newgrounds flash animation every time he was on screen. I don't know what the fuck happened with production where things like the daughters searching the crypt was animated so great, while they used tween motions on Aku even in the finale.

>>92595245
calm down anon

10 weeks gone in a flash huh

>>92595337
Yeah, he clearly looked up to his father a lot and there were no words shared. I mean, holy shit your boy just came back after killing Aku and all we get is a smile?

It's just part of the pacing problems though. Everything felt far too rushed and Genndy didn't leave enough time for it all. I think with a series like this he could have even just done an epilogue episode. If he reworked a few things he really could have had Aku killed by Ep 9. Leave Ep10 for comfy new world if need be