You people are just never satisfied.

I would have at least listened to my fucking fanbase and not ruin a great show that so many people grew up. He's a fucking hack and I'll never get hyped up for anything if this is what it leads to

>>92560313
>What would YOU have done, if it was so terrible? How would YOU have ended it?
Bring Scotsman and the Scots daughters back to the past.

Let jack have a wife and not be the lonely emperor. I hate being alone and I don't want jack to be alone.

>>92560313
Epilogue ending with Future King Jack encountering the Guardian to go back to the alternate future.

>>92560441
He did listen to his fucking fans.

I mean, it was fine. It was just way to quick. It should've been a 44 minute episode. It went from Ashi fighting Aku to Ashi disappearing in like three minutes.

>>92560313
>What would YOU have done, if it was so terrible? How would YOU have ended it?
Maybe focus on the guy the show is named after or something, I don't know. Either way, it's not my job to make it good, it's his. Doesn't take a cook to taste bad food.

>>92560313
People wanted King Jack with an army of all the people he saved to defeat future aku, then him meeting the guardian and travel to past to defeat past aku. With both timelines intact.

>>92560441
>Wahhhh my show ended with a satisfying yet bittersweet ending I wish it was gritty and depressing

Just enjoy the show you fuck

>>92560313

While it had pacing issues, this was a fine ending. Lots of funny bits, lots of callbacks, ending on a bittersweet note.

A bunch of obstinate nerds stomping their feet on /co/ doesn't mean shit.

>>92560313
Build the episode around Jack returning to the past and defeating Aku? That part was maybe 3 minutes and had next to no buildup, which is horrible for a show known for strong and deliberate buildup/payoff. Instead we got a big battle akin to any action blockbuster of the past 5 years for 2/3 of the runtime and a flimsy bittersweet "moment".

>Jack killed Aku in the past, so Ashi could never exist in the future

Alright, but...

>Ashi could never exist, so she could never create the time portal, which means Jack could never go back to kill Aku

Either acknowledge the paradox or don't. This honestly doesn't make any sense.

>>92560595
And it did. Sure, it had some scenes focusing on Ashi, but they didn't make Jack nonexistent.

>>92560313

In the same way, but i wouldn't have included ashi and developed more into aku/jack's relationship and final battle

see, jack spent over 50 years in a world that became his own over time and he destroyed it by killing aku. I would have focused on that.

>>92560313
I honestly feel Jack should have stayed in the past. It's just that all those characters in the future like the archers, Scotsman, the spartans, dog archaeologists, etc. Well they all don't exist

>>92560313
>Remove Ashi and Romance.
>Give Jack a rival on Aku's side who was from the same clan as him and a samurai.
>Jack vs. Rival for his sword and penultimate battle.
>Jack vs. Aku for the final battle.
>Jack accepts not being able to go to the past, but rebuilds his nation in the future as an ageless hero to the people.

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>>92560619
>satisfying

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>>92560313
Really, just split the final episode into two or make it an hour long special. First episode is fighting Aku/killing him in the future, having everyone celibate as their tormentor has been defeated, but Jack is depressed because he'll never get home. Dog guy or some other smarty pants comes up, goes "wait a minute, Ashi, do you have ALL of Aku's powers? Does that include the one that sent Jack here in the first place?"

Then we get some heartfelt goodbyes, everyone thanking Jack for all he's done, etc., and then he goes to the past. He and Ashi kill Aku quickly (doesn't need to be dwelled on at all since we already got his last words in) and we get some time to decompress. Meet Jack's mom, everyone gushes about how sweet of a couple they are, stories are told, etc., and then we get the wedding where Ashi dies. That's it. All you had to do was not shove Aku's death and time travel into five minutes and the finale could have been so much better

>>92560313
Memes.
The Ending needed more Memes.

>>92560690
Ashi died because her life depended on Aku, it wasn't time paradox related.

>>92560477
Is there a way to do this AND have Ashi stay with Jack? I mean they both travelled back to the past and then she disappeared in the past. If Jack goes back to the future, we'll get all his old friends back but no Ashi.

>>92560793
It was satisfying. Not the one you wanted but all loose ends were tied.

>>92560313
I like how you took a 22 minute episode and only described a minute of it.
Great job.

>>92560313
Maybe fucking an actual fight between Jack and Aku

>>92560742
>Give Jack a rival
That's some dumb shonen shit right there.

>>92560313
>>92560619
>JUST LIKE THE ENDING YOU PIECES OF SHIT WHO CARES IF IT'S RUSHED, HACKNEYED, AND UNSATISFYING

imagine being this much of a fucking fanboy

>>92560714
Did you really have to type out all those "HA"s? Couldn't you have just used like 3?

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>ashi died
>jack ended up in his time line again
I'm already content and I can now move on. hell,
retards in 4chan still react to ponies as if they're still popular, the SJfags will still continue to complain why this show isn't the perfect 20/10 show they envisioned

>>92560857
No ASHI gets to fight Aku anon

>>92560853
Even if that were true, that's not what satisfying means.

>>92560833

She specifically said that she was vanishing from existence because killing Aku in the past meant she would never be created in the future

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>>92560742
>giving Jack a rival for literally no reason since he Aku is already his rival

>show sets up for Jack to go to the past
>Jack doesn't go to the past

>>92560865
It feels so good sometimes went its played right though. Plus it would give closure to Jack's entire clan in the future instead of them being ambiguously completely gone.

Honestly Jack staying in the future would have been much more kino
He still saves the world, but is unable to undo the centuries of pain and suffering. Good bittersweetness instead of the dumb Ashi shit.

It would have been really cool. Predictable, but every option was predictable at this point.

Why would anyone be satisfied with a rushed as fuck ending?

>>92560946
>>show sets up for Jack to go to the past
>>Jack doesn't go to the past
Fuck this fucking argument and all the retards who spout it
If he really wanted to go back to the past so much, why didn't the show end in the fifth episode of season 1?

>>92561060
>endings should be a cliched one when I like it
Are you that asshat that wants every harem series to end with a tsundere end?

>>92560313
Kill Aku in the future, Jack says his goodbyes, Kill aku in the past, Reunion with his family, 2 minutes of rebuilding the lands then 3 minutes of scenery porn.

>>92561151
>given 10 episodes
>expecting it not to be rushed

>>92561060
Well, technically there's still a Jack in the future, I wonder if they are going to do something about that.

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Anyone else feel like Jake going back to the past undos any sort of weight the series held? Like, now none of it will never happen, and Jake's memories of all of it and everyone will probably fade away just like Ashi did.

Jake shouldn't have gone back to the past.

>>92560710
>some scenes
Over half the show focused on her.
>part of episode 1 focuses on Daughters
>entirety of episode 2 focuses on Daughters and how big and strong they are
>entirety of episode 3 focuses on Jack killing the Daughters with like 10 minutes focusing on the concept of "first blood"
>OH BUT MAGICALLY ONE SURVIVED and episode 4 is all about Ashi's bitching except for the last part which was all about muh ladybug
>episode 5 is more Ashi bitching but then she just changes her mind and fights alongside him
>episode 6 that SHOULD focus on Jack's struggle focuses on Ashi meeting everyone Jack's saved instead and the only resolution to Jack's conflict is Ashi just telling him he saved people so it's okay, five minutes are spent on her bathing and changing clothes
>half of episode 7 is Ashi showing how strong she is and how protective of Jack she is and how she can stand up to her eeeeevil mother
>episode 8 is entirely focused around Jack's new relationship with Ashi
>episode 9 focuses on Ashi
>episode 10: Ashi fights Aku's control, magically keeps his powers, then they BOTH go back to the past, then a big deal is made out of her disappearing at their wedding even though she should've disappeared IMMEDIATELY
It was literally Ashi: Daughter of Aku, With Special Guest Samurai Jack

>>92560313
>>92560313
>>92560313
I'm sorry Genndy, but a pretty background with no dialogue a good ending does not make.

>>92561175
Come up with an ending to SJ that isn't cliched

>>92561238
he's not though because he came back right after he left

>Everyone's butthurt for the finale
>tfw I don't give a shit because the original intro got referenced in the episode
feelsKINOman

>>92560313
>What would YOU have done

44 minute finale instead of 22
Ashi doesn't die
Aku screams "SAMURAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIII" one last time during the slow motion sequence right before Jack impales him.

>>92561241
Yes, that's what I've been saying for the past hour
He has always cared more about helping people in the present instead of undoing everything, why did he suddenly change his mind and become okay with wiping out all those people just so he could fulfill his """purpose"""?

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Honestly this ending is right down the middle for a compromise I mean tumblr wanted father/daughter, I don't know what reddit wanted relationship idk, and here on /co/ mostly wanted Jack to stay single anyways but I digress.

>>92561259
>Star of the show not being Aku
What are you, gay?

>>92561259
>but one magically survived

jack fell from the tree too, moron

The introduction with the original opening and I think even Mako as Aku was perfect

It ended just the way it was supposed to, but everything was poorly executed. Jack retrieveing the sword was poorly executed, jack going back to the past was poorly executed, jack killing aku was poorly executed.

Everything was rushed because thye had to shoehorn the stupid romance subplot and a character that literally nobody likes.

>>92561308
>Ashi doesnt die

I dont see how ashi can live, since she does have part of aku in her. So with that set in stone, it was confirmed she was going to die either way.

>>92561303
It was great but made me realize how based Mako wasn't part of the finale. Baldwin tried his best but it just didn't work.
That was great though.

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>>92560313

Unrelated tangent: I know fuckall about music, but I love BGMs of this sort. The all-consuming, epic, yet reflective and melancholy feel, punctuated by a strange, ethereal voice singing lyrics impossible to distinguish.

Anyone know any soundtracks, bands or songs similar to the one that played in the ending?

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>>92560313
I was okay with the ending but for me

>Epic final battle with Jack and Aku without much assistance from Ashi aside from her temporarily breaking free to toss Jack the sword
>The crew hold off Ashi while Jack and Aku duke it out
>Jack wins, everyone cheers, Ashi is saved, but Jack realizes that Aku isn't really dead and will only be sealed
>Jack seals Aku in himself and kills himself to permanently kill Aku
>They both enter the realm of the gods
>Aku is now in the gods territory so they fuck him over and super kill him
>The gods cut Jack a fucking break for once and will return him to life
>Before he leaves he speaks to his father / mother which basically comes down to "You've made us proud / honored us. Go and live"
>Everyone cheers that Jack is alive. Jack reunites with Ashi blah blah blah
>Jack, Ashi, and the survivors rebuild the future
>King Jack happens, death of Aku combined with revival and such make it so he ages again
>Jack guides the future to prosperity and eventually dies. Cue massive funeral etc etc
>Shot ends with his sword on his grave against the sunlight as sakura petals shower down
>WACHA

>>92560313
There wasn't a "an memory" to Mako, huh? Unless my rage blinded me from noticing it.

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>>92560313
what did they mean by this?

>>92561396
EVERYONE KNOWS HE'S DEAD ALREADY NO POINT OF REMINDING THEM AGAIN

>>92560946
>>show sets up for Jack to go to the past
>>Jack doesn't go to the past
What's wrong with that? Twists exist.

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>the amount of salt on /co/ right now

>>92560929
Jack was sent to the future and back at the exact moment he left he closed the loop making it seem that Aku's portal didn't work.

>>92561294
No, you see, right before future Jack came back to defeat Aku, Aku sent past Jack to the future, since that was something that happened before future Jack defeated past Aku is not something that needs to be corrected in the timeline, so technically there is a Jack in the Akuless future right now.

>>92561368

Then she should have died immediately after Aku died, not a month later.

>Aku's lair explodes
>Jack says "it's over" and looks back at Ashi, smiling
>she's not there

The way they did it was just bizarre.

>>92561338
And that was equally stupid. It SET UP one of them surviving because hurr Jack lived too so one of them could've. Better end to episode 3 would be him walking away, not falling.

Either keep the season dark and remove all the cheesy episodes(keeping the bummer ending), or keep the season how it was and remove the last 2 minutes.
The ending really felt like genndy last second decided "you know while this is nice, it's too happy, it needs a sad thing to happen".
There is no build up, no referencing the possibility of disappearance, no addressing all the other future people, just "OH WAIT! THERE WAS THAT ONE TIME I REALIZED I CAN'T EXIST! DEUCES NIGGA"

>>92561456
Twists are the epitome of hack.
LOOK AT ME I'M SUBVERTING EXPECTATIONS, I'M A FUCKING GENIUS!
Go back to your hove Whedon.

>>92560825
Hey asshole, why don't you fuck right off with your good ideas?

>>92561442
But respect?
>>92561417
Genndy saw this and said:
>durr well now i know where to steal a tragicending from

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Regardless how people might feel.
I think we should appreciate the thicc

>People shit on Ashi the whole season, say the focus should be on getting back to the past instead of mary sue Ashi
>In the finale Jack gets back to the past instead of mary sue Ashi
>/co/ still hates
You fags would've hated it way more if he stayed in the future.

It should've had something that addressed the fact that all of Jack's compatriots that he met and helped in the future, like the Scotsman, wouldn't exist if he undid Aku's rule.

>>92560825
holllyshit. You still have that image?
I made that years ago.

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I see no reason why Ashi just disappeared because then that gives credence to the idea there is only one timeline and that defeating Aku means Ashi never existed (But takes time to somehow fade away).
But under that same logic, then Jack should have never been able to go back and defeat Aku since if Ashi never existed then Jack never go back to the past. It's all a bunch of paradoxes with no solution unless you expand into a multiverse theory, which then means things are not directly connected.

I wanted to see Ashi live and Jack be with her. That they could destroy Aku in the future and past but she is still fine since she has similar powers and could exist where/when ever she wanted since she can create the portals.
Jack and Ashi save two timelines and Ashi can create portals to bring them, or others, through. The Scotsman as a ghost can see feudal Japan and Jack's home, Jack's family can see the peaceful world their son helped create. The whole time Jack and Ashi are learning more about each other and about two different worlds.
Call it overly-happy (Even though there was still tragedy throughout) but it's what I would have liked to see.

I want to believe they found a way to make it happen. Hell, they could have kept Aku trapped forever in the sword and guarded by the Gods or something and that mean Ashi can exist. Or if Aku never destroyed the time portals then that means those (and the Guardian) still exist so there may be a way if Jack things of a complex enough plan.

>>92560313

As for the Samurai, no one knows what became of him. Some say that he died of his wounds. Others, that he returned to his own time.

But I like to think he may have at last found some small measure of peace, that we all seek, and few of us ever find.

Captcha: Kino Plakabeton

>>92560313
It was fucking shit because ashi and all his friends never exsisted. If i wrote it he wouldve stayed in the future and made what right what aku did wrong. Kill yourself

The problem isn't WHAT happened.
The problem is HOW it happened.
The season introduced a totally unnecessary major character and her entire subplot just to force cliched "tragic romance" drama instead of using any of the dozens of already existing plot threads effectively.
Not to mention it straight up just pulled TTGL's ending beat for beat while doing it even worse.

>>92561496
>site with 100 million people doesn't agree on things
Colour me fucking shocked!

>>92561611
RIP in piece niggawaifu

>>92561417

Reminder that the SJ series finale aired on the tenth anniversary of Kamina's death.

I really have to wonder if Genndy scheduled it that way.

>>92561559
What the fuck is this post?

>>92560946
did this doggo come back or what?

what was the fuckin- you know what who gives a fuck. the finale should've been longer so they could actually tie up the loose ends they made in that ONE FUCKING SEASON.

>>92561653
>captcha that isn't cars and road signs

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>>92560619
>Satisfying
>Generic 'love conquers all' bullshit that lets him cop out of having to kill Ashi, who also conveniently Mary Sue's some powers out of fucking nowhere and sends Jack back to the past, followed up by the most cringey and contrived ending of predictable bullshit where Ashi somehow manages to not disappear until their wedding day

It's like it was written by some 14 year old that just got done playing Chrono Trigger. The moment this season hit episode 4 it just drove right off a fucking cliff. How do you start so fucking strong and then ruin the season with forced romance bullshit and generic, safe plot tropes?

not have ashi and just have a few adventures like in the old series spend at the least 3 episodes defeating future aku going back to the past and finally killing past aku

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HEY GUYS GENNDY HERE, WHAT IF SAMURAI JACK ENDED LIKE THIS
>jack finally kills aku
>aishi makes the last time portal
>they go back and are about to get married when aishi disappears
>jack now sad again :((
>but then a ladybug lands on jack so its okay :)))

WACHA

what do you guys think?

>>92561615
>Jack goes back to the past WITH Ashi BECAUSE of Ashi's Mary Sueness
>it takes fucking forever for her to finally disappear when she should've disappeared immediately, how very convenient that it was RIGHT AT THE ALTAR
>now the world is free of Aku forever but it's still forcing a bittersweet ending despite not even mentioning everyone ELSE that no longer exists

>>92560313
All I wanted was the Imakandi to show up. The Spartans were a nice touch but it sucks were never got to see either of the opponents that actually beat Jack.

>>92560881
What do you get out of complaining about it? Do you want a fanfiction? Do you just want your dissatisfaction validated? It's not like Genndy's going to remake the ending for you if you complain hard enough.

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>>92561828

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>>92561615
regardless of how the show ended, people would have still complained.

>>92561947
6/10 needs more Scotsman
go back to the drawing board Gennder

>>92561241
The main problem is that it always felt like Jack knew the second timeline was still going to exist even if he went back, so he had to kill both Akus to be absolutely sure.
But now we're left with a stupid situation where everything's undone anyway, and supposing it wasn't, then you'd still have Future Aku killing literally everyone in that timeline because Jack's gone.

>tfw Mako came back as a part in Aku's penultimate ruse

>Is he dead?
>No, he's not. And he never will be.

That was a strange answer. Immortal Jack confirmed?

an actually good final fight

>>92561947
wow gennedy tartsky you've done it again, bravo

>>92560313
I would have given us an ending involving King Jack and the guardian like literally everyone wanted. Why would you foreshadow something and not pick it up FOURTEEN YEARS LATER when it would have been the ultimate kino to do so?

>>92561994
Holy shit thanks man, I tried setting this up but I guess I skipped past this option in the settings. It'll feel good to not have to hunt for those faggot cars and street signs.

Captcha: Estruda Annadas

>>92561852
>conveniently Mary Sue's some powers out of fucking nowhere and sends Jack back to the past
Ashi creating a portal was pretty obvious from the second it was revealed that she shared Aku's blood and could come under his influence. I'm sorry you weren't thinking ahead enough to see it coming.

I loved it. I had a great time watching it with ou fellas.

Now I'm sad.

>>92561828
There are apartment buildings, roads, mountains and hills, even the fucking numbers one is still ongoing. None of them can beat the store front ones tho. Those are the best.

I've gotten a very rare one once, but I can't remind what it was.

>>92560313
The finale should've been at least a two parter. Also remove Ashi, her existence literally doesn't amount to anything other cheap feels

>>92562081
He was never immortal, he's just ageless.

>>92561653

>Jack kills Aku
>everything Aku becomes undone
>everyone celebrates Aku's death and assume that Jack went back in time

Every world that Aku conquered is now okay

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>>92560313
Aku shouldnt have died in a fucking gay ass explosion.Thats my biggest gripe.
One of the best animated villains of all time doesnt even get to say his final words.

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You know what's really gnawing at me about this finale? Despite it being the final confrontation between Jack and Aku, there was this odd emotional disconnect going on. Not once during this entire episode did I feel the raw hatred the two felt for one another, the hate that made any fight between them so utterly personal. It wasn't like the Jack vs Aku (in human form) fight, or the graveyard fight, or any other number of fights where the two were desperately going at it with everything they had.

While all of Jack's old friends distracting Aku was a great sequence, it also detracted a bit from that emotional connection. There was so much going on at once, and the focus of the episode seemed less on Jack vs Aku and more on Jack trying to save Ashi. And once Ashi was saved, that was basically it. Ashi, not Jack, held Aku off. Then Ashi was the one that sent him back to the past, and once he was there, it was basically the end.

The tension, the decades long nemesis thing the two had going on, it all just seemed absent.

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>>92560313
There is only one thing in the episode that I didnt like.
>You have Aku's power!
>Oh yeah! REEEEEEEEEEE
They ended the episode with 5 minutes to spare and they couldnt bother to flesh that part out a little more? Ashi could have taken a moment to think about the fact that she was basically committing suicide.

>>92560313
>jack is consumed by grief fromlosing Aishi and becomes Aku

>>92562126
>Can not only totally break control, but also have ALL of Aku's powers
>Somehow knows off the top of her head how to use them all with mastery
>Also knows off the top of her head the exact place and time Jack was fighting Aku hundreds of years ago.

Yeah, nah, fuck off. This shit was fucking dumb.

>>92561341
Hearing Mako's opening and his bit of dialogue from the first fight just made it even more jarring hearing Baldwin's performance immediately after.

>>92562187

His death was weird, what even happened there? Jack sucked him into the sword and then somehow stabbing the ground made him die? If that's the case then why didn't Aku die when Jack did that the first time in episode 1, or when the emperor did the exact same thing 20 years ago?

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GENNDY BETRAYED US

>>92562207
That's actually my favourite part. Once Aishi realises that she has Aku's power, she immediately does the smartest thing and pops open a portal to the past.

>>92560313
Im okay with Samurai Jack ending. I would have made the last episode an hour long though.

>>92562187
hes a pathetic coward who probably could have finished jack off if he was willing to take a risk having him die pitifully was fitting

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>>92561994

>>92562339
FOOLISH KIDS

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>everyone is upset
>faggots who hated the Ashi Jack pairing are upset because, "REEE HETEROSEXUALITY REEEEEE"
>faggots who loved the Ashi Jack pairing are upset because it was impossible for Jack to kill Aku and keep Ashi.
Loved the ending. Thought it was great. 10/10

>>92562405
you are still killing one of the greatest icons of animated villany.You cant just let him die like that

>>92561241
>Jake
>Jake
>Jake

>>92560313
Honestly? If I had absolutely nothing interesting to say, no good way to present the ending to the series...I would have let it stay cancelled.

The first few episodes of season 5 were great, they had interesting cinematography and had real heart to them. The rest...

This finale was nothing but fanservice and cliches. It was beyond generic.

This is why Popeye got cancelled

I thought it was a decent end overall, but maybe it's because Episode 8 dropped my expectations so much and I just wanted to see Ashi not make it in the ending.

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>>92561241
>Samurai Jake

>Aku vs Jack fights are always fucking 10/10 for the rest of the show
>The very last one is the most mediocre, short, impersonal mess possible
You're right I'm mad, fuck that shit.

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>>92562361
>That's actually my favourite part.
That means you dont appreciate good pacing and character development.

>>92562482
>Thinks everyone hated the pairing because MUH POL
No, I hated it because forced romances are a tired as fuck gimmick shoved down our throats in 99% of all stories ever made and it's always boring predictable bullshit.

>>92562282
Samurai Jack's not the kind of show you're supposed to get wrapped up in the specific logistics of as if it's a fucking JRPG.

Granted, if anything the big asspull was Ashi fading away even though the concept of time travel rules and paradoxes and shit was never addressed in the show and just sort of came from other media involving time travel.

>>92560313

>>92562579
Emoji movie's fault actually. Popeye getting cancelled lead to S5 Jack.

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>>92560313

>>92562282
>You have to bring out your best to defeat him, and your best part is me!
>Your
>Me
>Out

She physically became a extention of Aku, and there's no indication that creating time portals is any more complicated than shapeshifting or pyrokinesis. If anything, it's best that she did the one intelligent thing to do with her new powers.

Reaction chart guy where?

I hope we get a soundtrack with the blu ray release or something.

That track that plays at the end and credits was beautiful.

>>92561947
Why does Ashi have to go to the past and then disappear?

>>92560313
I'm mostly sad we didn't get a part where the priest said "Ashi, [Jack's real name], you are now Emperor and Empress" as a way to drop Jack's real name.

>>92562135
gas stations are all i seem to get besides the car one which never fucking works

>>92562783
Damn Genndy dropped the ball

>>92561948
It's probably a reverse flash kind of situation in which takes some time for entropy to catch up with her.
>>92562783
It was comfy to see the parallels of episode 1, but this would have been better. Strange, since most of /co/s "how I would have made it" tend to be much worse.

>>92560313
You know, thoughout this season, while I've enjoyed it, I've thought of what I would have done and namely with a few more episodes, but as far as this ending goes..

I don't know what I would change.

I might be a true bastard and release an alternate ending where Jack stays in the future and then say 'both are equally canon' and cackle as the fandom tears itself apart.

>>92562744
Oh right, thanks, I'll add that to the list next time I laugh at you.

I'm teasing a little. I'm sorry you didn't like the ending, but I loved it. I hope you feel better.

>>92561643
(you)

>>92560313
Would've liked more if Jack destroyed future Aku and had no way of returning to the past and just rebuilt the future.

>>92562794
It was 110% asspull, though. Before she met Jack she didn't even know what fucking animals were, but 2 minutes after going super saiyan she can precisely time travel to events and places she's never been to/seen/heard of?

Ashi was the worst thing about this season in every measure. From the forced romance, to the mary sue bullshit.

>>92562969
Thank you(?)

The thing is, people were decide to love this season not matter what would happend since the start, and they are gonna to sing praise forever

>>92563068
I still love the original show and this season but I think the last few minutes were extremely rushed, poorly thought out, and underwhelming.
There were better ideas to end the show on and better ways to execute the ideas the show did end on.

>>92562282
Aku literally just announced to the whole planet what happened and how. Ashi has Aku in her blood. It isn't that hard to figure out how she knew.

>>92560441
>Letting fans dictate how your show proceeds/ends

Into the trash you go.

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>blaming the audience
Pathetic. Get over yourself, OP.

I didn't like the ending but I'm totally fine with Ashi being able to use her Aku powers immediately.

It was like she banished the corrupt part of herself and when she did that she became in control and to me it makes sense that this control would extend to her powers. It's something that a person instinctively understands and is able to control.

In terms of complaints about the ending this seems like the pickiest to me.

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>/co/ at 11:27 PM EST

>>92563068
This. Only the first three episodes were good. The rest sucked ass and was significantly worse than pretty much anything from all the older seasons.

I wouldn't have minded if the ending didn't feel so cliche. I also didn't like the forced romantic interest/deus ex machina of Ashi. The pacing was also pretty fucked and they would have benefited from having a few more episodes. Still, I really enjoyed the series for nostalgia and it was satisfying to see Aku defeated.

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So when does the next season begin?

>>92563003
>She didn't know what animals were

She didn't know what a deer was. Doesn't mean she doesn't know what an animal is.

>Mary sue

That's not what the term means. She isn't as competent as Jack, neither as strong. Her solo episode was mostly about Jack's impact and was composed almost entirely of praise for him, and she was fridged in the end.

>Forced

Jack was nice, handsome, shared her interests and saved her life. Those are pretty good reasons to fall in love with someone.

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Considering Jack's character arc this season of being haunted by his inability to get back to the past and being brought from the brink of seppuku through being reminded of how much good he was doing in the future, I was really expecting him to learn the same lesson he did in the comic's King Jack ending.

I'm really sad that we never got Jack in the cape and crown. Like, actually hurt.

>>92563208
I would argue they were in line with the older seasons but once we got a taste of the darker and grittier version of it we all saw how much cooler that was and wanted to stick with it.

It would have fit with how all the original viewers have grown up as the show's been off air so the show grew up with its audience.

>>92562104
>literally
>everyone
fuck you

>>92560441
>I would have at least listened to my fucking fanbase
Anon, please. Fans aren't worth shit.

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I would've preferred Jack going back and failing to kill Aku again and gotten a transition of him becoming the pale rider to haunt himself an sabotage Aku.

>>92563261
greetings reddit

>Jack defeats Akus
>Jack sees his parents
>"We're are proud of you Mako"
Something like that is all I wanted.

Would of been nice too if it was an hour long and so they would have enough time to give everything more weight.

>>92563291
>genndy retcons the comic book ending
>genndy's ending is way worse

comic books are cannon in my head moreso than season 5 is desu

>>92560441
>listened to my fucking fanbase

When has that ever worked?

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>You wouldn't have been satisfied either way!
>You're just being contrarian!
>Give it a break, it was only 10 episodes!
>You're just mad because it didn't fit your headcanon!

How many more of these threads are we going to see in the next week? Or even in the next day?

2 > 1 > 3 > 6 > 9 > 4 > 10 > 8 > 5 > 7

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Imagine if Scaramouche survived and Demongo made it for the final battle. All of Jack's allies VS Aku's past mooks would've been the ultimate fanservice.

>>92563271
>Shared her interests
Neither have any fucking interests. They also have a tremendous age gap, with Ashi being basically a teenager, and also someone Jack just met, who tried to kill him.

It was forced as fuck. No real person in Jack's position would have done that. Hell, no real person would have even saved Ashi in episode 4. This is why it's called a FORCED ROMANCE. It was robotic as fuck. There was a whopping zero chemistry.

>>92563388
I agree; the last 4 episodes shouldn't have had so much filler

Honestly people have been so hard on Jack's cock I'm surprised there's disappointment at the ending.

Especially because I didn't think it was all that bad.

Was anyone else just extremely upset at just how Aku died? One of the most baddass villians of all-time goes out crawling like a fucking slug?No baddass lines, No final epic fight, just a couple of slashes and running like a pussy. This is like if Darth Vader just got one shot by Luke and then shat himself, how anticlimactic.

You're all just mad because you never heard someone say I love you

>>92562540
>Honestly? If I had absolutely nothing interesting to say, no good way to present the ending to the series...I would have let it stay cancelled.
>The first few episodes of season 5 were great, they had interesting cinematography and had real heart to them. The rest...
This.

We should have never brought Jack back outside of a movie form.

>>92563417
I'd give it 2 months.

>>92563199
There's a case of being able to use powers, and then a case of somehow being on the same level as the damn guy who gave you them powers

There's also the fact it's unclear when exactly Ashi got her Aku powers. If it was after I love You that's beyond stupid.

>>92563495
that was my biggest problem.

>>92563495
It makes sense after Aku just announced to the world that he was on his last legs after his first fight with Jack. Undone by his own stupid decisions.

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>fanboys are already rushing to defend the finale by attacking the viewers

>>92563417
Considering what happened 5 years ago, this is going to go on for a long time.

So then is Samurai Jack still a virgin?

>>92563495
Ashi creating a portal and then Aku just going "Oh no..." when he realized what it means was pretty fantastic.
I agree with you about his actual defeat though. It was meh. He, nor Ashi, even got any meaningful final words.
Everything was just so rushed. It REALLY should have been a hour or even a proper movie.

>>92563495
I can't say I was but I've never been very invested in Jack.
Aku's always been weak to the sword and scared to death of it. Not sure a fight scene would have done much unless it was masterfully handled

>>92563495

Did you forget that he was attacked immediately after being defeated by Jack?

>>92560313

I'm waiting for E;R; to do a review.

>>92563586
She got them last episode, when Aku did his magic to awaken them and sicced her on Jack. Were you not paying attention?

>>92563495
end fight should've been jack v aku and ashi, straight up, no bullshit. kill aku in the future, ashi gets control of her power, then past aku vs jack and ashi. The whole "all of jacks friends come out of nowhere to help him!" felt so unearned and was ultimately useless that we didn't need it. When you boil the scene down, it's about jack getting ashi to gain control.

Aku's dead and that's the real tragedy here.

>>92563639
Who said he never banged a chick in his international training growing up?

>>92562835
I, Genndy, the shapeshifting hack of cuckness, flung her into my retcon, where my headcanon is LAW!

>>92563525
>a single 1 hour 30 minute movie is more preferable to a 3 hour season

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>>92560313
>rushed battle
>you shouldn't be disappointing
>>92560441
Every time I want to criticize the show it's autistic fucks lie you that drive be back to defending it

>>92563705
Yes and that's the reason I said it's unclear. She wasn't shooting lasers out of her eyes last episode or doing half the same shit

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>>92560313
I dont mind Ashi dying but the implication everyone in the future died as well, leaves a crushing feeling within me.

Also the time paradox killing everyone seems pointless. What are we suppose to take away from it?

He should have killed both akus REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>92560313
I'm just gonna shill my response to this question from another thread.
>>92563296

>>92560313
I wouldn't have pulled influence directly from Gurren Lagan, for one. That said, I don't think the last episode or ending was terrible, but I just couldn't engage emotionally with Ashi's plight. I felt almost next to nothing, there relationship just developed too quickly for me to properly feel pathos. Seeing all the characters from Jack's training trip around the world was cool though.

>>92563396
I feel like a blend of the comic ending and Season 5 is how I'd end the series.

Like after Jack gets the sword, he and Ashi meet up with the Scotsfamily and they start getting forces together for the raid on Aku's fortress. Jack stays in the future to help rebuild after beating Aku.

>>92563739
>where my headcanon is LAW
Well he's the creator and all.

>>92563660
Pacing was a big issue. Every episode so far has started off sort of slow, and episode 10 was no different which meant they had to rush the later stuff even more

>>92563789
>>92562783

>>92563756
I really wish the series kept up the quality of this episode instead of spending so much time on romance.

>action shit going on
>HEY JACK LOOK I HAVE AKU'S POWERS
>conflict of the last 50 episodes is solved in less than 3 seconds
The ultimate blueball.

>>92563495
>This is like if Darth Vader just got one shot by Luke and then shat himself
Thanks for the idea, Anon.

>>92563789
What I want to know is what did Jack's parents think of seeing Ashi?

Last they saw him was probably less then a few days ago, and he comes back with a girl they have never seen before and they both end up marrying eachother

Does he tell them he was in the future for 50 years and explain all of his adventures?

Or does he just say he found her on the way and they buy it

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>>92563495
The large scale battle got on my nerves more. The way that a bunch of civilians rushing into battle had more success fighting Aku than the supposed other armies that faced Aku before was dumb, especially with Aku somehow getting damaged by their non-magic attacks.

>>92563876
I agree.

>>92563824
Damn, I like this. The whole season should've been jack coming to terms with and realizing that his father never wished for him to return to the past; but simply defeat aku. Jack's attachment to his village is what has been making him lose his PORPOISE this whole time.

>>92560313
It's all about execution
https://youtu.be/bgLHTQ5P738?t=14m23s

>>92563731
Well, he's awkward towards girls.

>>92563457
>Ashi
>A teenager

There was a scene in episode 1 with Ashi as a teenager. She was already an adult by episode 2. Also, what part of "time has lost its effect on me" don't people get? Genndy did the same thing with the genders reversed in hotel transylvania and no one bated an eye.

Also, Ashi liked landscapes, animals, stargazing, she was in tune with nature. So was Jack. He didn't have many interests either.

>>92563457
>no real person would have even saved Ashi in episode 4

Completely in character for Jack to do so. She's a brainwashed innocent and he was going mad of guilt, that was the least he could do to compensate.

>>92563774
She didn't need to. Jack defeated her sword attack pretty quick, cut her once, then surrendered. This was a more prolonged battle.

JACK LOOKS FOR THE GUARDIANS PORTAL
THE GUARDIAN'S PREDICTION WAS RIGHT
EXCEPT HE USES THE PORTAL TO BRING ASHI BACK FROM NONEXISTENCE
SCREENCAP THIS
FUCK IT DONT CAP THIS, THIS IS CANON NOW FUCK YOU GENNDY

>>92560313
You guys praise everything if it acknowledges your childhood.
Jack had hallucinations, Jack wanted to kill himself, we saw in realtime that he actually did struggle internally with his personal demons. Genndy acknowledged that although he miraculously always survived, he still struggled with the desire to keep fighting even when he wanted to die.
The final battle between Aku and Jack doesn't even feel like a confrontation.
We don't see Aku and Jack go at it. We don't even focus on their hatred of each other.
Hell, Adult Swim couldn't even give Samurai fucking Jack a 40 minute finale or an 1 hour long finale.
Aku vs Jack sucked.
Ashi overcoming Aku's evil control because of love sucked.
Ashi suddenly having full control of his powers because Jack showed puppy eyes sucked.

Where was Jack conflicted about staying in the future with his new friends? Friends he never got to have in the past because he was required to move around constantly to train and fight Aku?

Where was Jack conflicted about his happiness despite saving his family? Where he's questioning why he feels sad despite winning?
Even something as stupid as, "You don't have to live in the past to appreciate the present" would have been better than a silent appreciation of a ladybug under a tree.

Jack deserved to have his character have a proper fucking arc. Even him failing his quest and dying but his death inspiring everyone in the universe to keep fighting Aku, leaving Aku frustrated and bored forever since he's all powerful.
Instead of everyone bowing down to him all the time like he's used to, they try to kill him all the time but always fail.
Even that would have been a more interesting ending.

Jack being in a relationship wouldn't have made him happy, he was struggling with feeling like all his efforts were never going to be good enough and that his anger and self-hatred would isolate him from everyone he ever cared about.

He shouldn't have been alone in that ending. Period.

>>92563808
I really did think Ashi vanishing (or becoming Aku) would be a nightmare Jack was having that would make him jolt awake and then Ashi would comfort him.
I really wish something of that type was the case. I wasn't a shipper of them originally but they really grew on me and it sucks that they couldn't even remain friends. She just flatout never existed which is some kind of bullshit.

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>everybody in the world watching the original intro
mad me feel like I was living in that world.

>>92563789
>Also the time paradox killing everyone seems pointless. What are we suppose to take away from it?
Suffering is momentary. Loss is forever.

>>92563991
God G Gundam is so fucking good.

What happened wasn't wrong, but it wasn't paced right. For a show that used to be very, very slow, the last few episodes happened way too fast.

I'm never fucking trusting /co/ again,fuck Genndy

>Jack and Ashi get back to the past
>Jack kills Aku
>Ashi dies because time paradox
>Jack dies because Aku's power over him is broken, causing the fifty years he was stuck in the future to catch up with him all at once
>Jack and Ashi are honored as heroes, and are shown to be reunited in the afterlife

So basically the same, but without Jack having to carry to weight of everything he's done, and everything he's lost. I feel like he's earned a rest.

kILLUA IS SO HOT HOLY SHIT

So the bittersweet ending is just Gurren Lagen/basic time travel paradox? Why couldn't it be King Jack ruling an empty throne in a world that is torn to shit?

>>92564097
>Aku vs Jack sucked.
hey fuck you buddy that episode is great

>>92564146
genndy threw too much out there and probably didnt have as much control over the final product as he needed. That or he was given too much.

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>Prompto's VA

>>92563955
Aku litteraly took arrows to the eye and missiles to the face without looking more than annoyed. It was clear that their attack, no matter how brave, had no chance of actually besting him. He literally rained death on their heads the moment he finally got fed up.

The first and most fatal mistake of the show was thinking they could cram any kind of proper conclusion into 10 episodes.


>need at least one episode focusing just on Jack and the Scotsman reunion
>keep Old Scotsman
>remove some unnecessary callbacks
>Jack remains in the future

>>92564052
Lasers was just one example. Her fight with Jack she seemed way more limited in what she could do, as opposed to after "I love you".

That's why I said it was unclear. I even said "IF it was after". But that wasn't even the point of the post. The point is her being on the same level as Aku in using them powers is dumb either way

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>the fucking ravers got more screentime than the Spartans
>Scotsman's remaining army was just his ugly daughters

>>92564187

how the fuck did you know i was watching hunterxhunter at this moment

>>92561060
>Honestly Jack staying in the future would have been much more kino
>He still saves the world, but is unable to undo the centuries of pain and suffering.
This, people get fucked anyway.
>B-but it's about him going back to the past!
Well it was never about him making companions and a waifu either. Shit changes.

>>92560313
I just wanted to protect his smile.
She just wanted to protect his smile.

>What would YOU have done
- First three episodes exactly the same except all the Daughters die. The Daughters are one final "villain of the week" affair before we get into the plot.
- Keep the Scotsman vs Aku bit.
- Jack travels the world and sees all the good he's done, gets his sword back on his own.
- Finds the Guardian, who lets him use the time portal, because he is that man, my man.
- Jack goes back to the past, fights Aku but can't defeat him because you can't change the past.
- Aku thinks this is a descendant of Jack (cape, crown, beard), so he thinks he'll be fighting time-traveling samurai forever.
- Jack is flung into the future again, the Guardian looks at him like "I dunno dude, you fucked up."
- No time paradox, can't change the past. Prophecy is fulfilled but not in the way we expected.
- Scaramouch tells Aku that Jack lost his sword
- Aku goes all gung-ho on Jack and the Guardian, rains death, tries to smash him like he did those armies.
- Gets sliced by the sword, realizes his mistake, kills Scaramouche, flees.
- Jack is pissed, Guardian is dying, gives Jack some sort of teleportation magic
- Aku can't escape
- Tables have turned, final battle isn't Aku toying with Jack, but Jack toying with Aku everywhere in the fucking universe
- Begs the Gods to protect him from Jack
- All the souls of the people he's killed are watching
- Jack's parents front and center
- Jack slices through Aku one last time
- The sword breaks
- Aku dies
- Jack dies

>>92561726

>100 million

lol

wait a minute

WAIT A FUCKING MINUTE

If future Jack and Ashi came in seconds after the first time portal, then doesn't that render the entire series pointless since it happened in the span of about 5 seconds?

>>92564097
>friends he never had
except the friends he had at the end from the past

>>92564097
Adding onto this, we don't even learn his real name.
We have Genndy force a romance onto Jack when he barely knows her and when she canonically doesn't understand love.
Offscreen development is shit and if anyone replies with, "its a cartoon its not that deep", go back to writing buzzfeed articles for a few bucks and learn to take criticism.

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>>92564273
>Scotsman's daughters
>ugly

>>92564231
Why do you people keep blaming the episode limit? 220 minutes is enough time to tell a story, and it's easily enough time to conclude a story that was loosely connected by 4 prior seasons.

It was fine. He went to the past, Aku is forever vanquished, all is well.

>>92564231
>most fatal mistake of the show was thinking they could cram any kind of proper conclusion into 10 episodes
Other shows with heavier plots have done it within 2-5 episodes. Why should SJ have an excuse?

>>92560825
This. I didn't hate the ending, but damnit I just wish it fucking engaged me emotionally. The romance with Ashi was just too quick. The pacing was all over the place. I almost felt next to nothing when she disappeared, because I was not invested in the relationship. I just wanted some little moments man, a shared moment with his family or maybe at least ten minutes of Jack proposing OR ANYTHING

>>92563639
Jack is pure so he would wait to consummate the marriage.

>>92564052
She was shapeshifting into a mantis and causing explotions with her arms. Aku doesn't usually use his full array of powers either
>>92563789
He exchanged the future for the past. Ashi for his family. And from that shot, the past ain't so bad. Victory does have a prize.

I would've had Aku chase Jack to the past

One final duel as Aku desperately tries to protect his weakened past self

His death just felt too quick and easy

>>92564362
It was Genndy's fantasy for him to be in a dystopian future with a girl

Dick first, story second

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>>92564262
She used shapeshifting, eyebeams, and time-travel. She has his essence inside him. It's not really much of a stretch to assume she inherited his instinctive knowledge as well. Remember that "Birth of Aku" shows he knew how to use magic and shapeshifting from the exact moment of his birth.

>>92561976
What the fuck are you even going on about? The fact that he's openly criticizing the ending on an open thread related to the ending? Oh no though, he's just seeking validation, not just publicly stating his opinion like everyone else here. Jesus fuck you mongoloid

>>92564362
>We don't even learn his real name

Genndy doesn't like names. When he was asked in the Q&A what the emperor's name was, he just said "emperor". Hell, the emperor refers to his wife as "mother" in the pilot.

>>92564201
His friends sacrifice themselves to rescue Jack and he doesn't even get the time to grieve over them dying, he only grieves over Ashi disappearing.
The final fight was him surprising past Aku and killing him for good while he was wounded.
I'm acknowledging that Aku fans were probably pissed off that we didn't get something more cool than a bunch of black spikes pouring down on everyone or final words from the main villain.

>>92564477
>25 minute episodes

>>92564553
Yeah now I'm kinda fucking upset that didn't happen.

>>92560313
So, will we have a Hall of Anal Devastation over this?

>>92564481
>I was not invested in the relationship
That's because it was horribly set up like 3 episodes ago and never really developed much.

Jack's been mourning for 50 years and then achieved his life long goal is it really a big deal some chick he kissed 3 episodes ago is gone? I felt nothing too except relief. I initially thought that was just because I wasn't particularly fond of JAshi, but the thing is it's surely the writers goal to make me fond of it. They could have done a better job rather than having me think "ah good" when they kill her off

Hell, I don't even really know why that's why I felt when she was killed

>>92564172
That would have been better as well.
Even Jack and Ashi both dying as they defeated Aku, and you see Jack and Ashi in the afterlife with all those who fell before them from Jack's time to the future.

>>92564595
You're making the point of her using the powers.

I'm making the point of her using the powers on the same level as Aku, going as far as being able to battle him in a limited fashion.

>>92560441
"Listened to the fanbase" should have been made a meme a long time ago. 99% of the reason they are "the fanbase" is because they are too fuckings stupid and worthless to create themselves. Consumers gotta consume. They will whine, but always consume C:

>>92561852
>who also conveniently Mary Sue's some powers out of fucking nowhere
What part of Daughter Aku do you not fucking understand?

This is like saying, "Whoah nelly! You mean to tell me that Superman's son can fly? That's some ass-pull gary stu bullshit right there *stuffs mouth with cheetos*"

>>92564581
That's going up on the old Adult Swim store.

>>92560313
>You people are just never satisfied

/co/ just doesn't realize that most endings in fiction are unsatisfying and this goes for any genre in any medium.

>>92560595
>Doesn't take a cook to taste bad food.
Way to play yourself with your own words. There is a reason delicious restaurants are far and few while franchises overrun every city. Bads gonna bad.

>>92564768
>tfw too smart to be a fan

>>92564742
It wasn't a prolonged contest and he was in total shock for all of it. He almost certainly would have beaten her if it had been 1v1 for more than a few seconds.

>>92564566
Jack's only solace after 50+ years of fighting to stay alive while everyone wants him dead, even himself, his personal demons, and unknown ghost samurai, is a ladybug and sitting under a tree?
We don't even get a montage of him rebuilding his country. All his friends are alive and happy to see him, his country gets rebuilt very fast, and he gets a wedding scene that was literally storyboarded to make him grieve more than he already is.
13 years waiting for a reboot and Genndy brings a message of, "maniac pixie girl solves everything and Jack is hopeful for the future, the end."

I will never not be mad at the Guardian retcon. It clearly showed the future and even had a prophecy that Jack would use that specific portal.

>>92564851
Fair point

>>92561500
You're retarded if you think that's how time travel works.

>>92560908
To be fair, I'm like 90% sure that all the people bitching are the bandwagoners who jumped on after hearing about the new season and binge watching the first four seasons.

I don't think they speak for the actual fanbase who just wanted to see jack get back to the past instead of cucked every fucking episode because he had to do the right thing instead of killing aku, and finally win.

I saw jack win, that was rad, he finally got back to the past and that's all I wanted to see. Everyone else is bitching about some actual fucking plot of story telling behind this series like it was a fucking 4 season story driven story already and it needed some amazing 10/10 pay off. It was about the enjoyment of the adventure he had and the world he was in, not some fucking story but half of the lorefags here who come from AT/SU threads who are the same types who artistically shit post about waifus and their shitty theories about how the next episodes are going to do which end up being wrong 80% of the time anyways and call everyone a hack writer and how they can write the series better themselves.

>>92564768
>always consume C:
This is a lie, I've never once eaten my primary partition.

>>92564850
Oh, no, you don't get it. You can be a fan when you stop acting like you are "too smart" for it. Retard.

The Gods had no problem giving Jack back his magic sword and clothing, but they couldn't throw him a bone and bring him back his wife?
A tiny bit of thanks for all he's done.

>>92560313
I would've made it longer.
"Ashi, you have Aku's powers" was spoken and then it went at a jarringly fast pace. It's not horrible per se, but more time should've been spent on making Aku look like a threat to Jack.

>>92560313
Episodes 1-3 are the same as what we got.
Episodes 4 and 5 show Ashi's transformation and nudging Jack on the road to recovery until she dies.
Episodes 6-8 are about him overcoming his insanity and embarking on the journey for his sword which he finds drained of its power until the gods recharge it with his own righteousness
Episode 9 he finds and fights Aku, eventually killing him in the future
Episode 10 he spends decades searching the Earth for where ever the Guardian has moved to, defeats him to, and returns to the past to fight Aku again and save the world

Aku is such an integral part of the show and such a horrifically evil entity that not only does the final battle deserve to be longer, but he deserves a whole two deaths. One to save the future and bring peace to the world, and another to end Jack's own journey and stop Aku from ever happening. I say Jack's journey because this show IS about Jack. Ashi's plot had no place being as big as it was. Nobody watched it for her, they watched it for Jack. His struggle is the driving force of the show and watching him overcome his inner demons and accomplishing his ultimate goal of saving the universe was what this season should have been about, not building up a random waifu who just dies in the end because Genndy had a dream about her and Jack fighting robots.

>>92564931
You're retarded if you think time travel is real

>>92564957
>tfw too smart for the average anon

Not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet, but...
If Ashi had lived, it would have created TONS of logical paradoxes and dilemmas. The most severe of which is... she would have been immortal. Jack was a time traveller, Aku's magic made him immortal because he was out of sync with his own timeline.
Ashi was as well, so logically she would have outlived Jack and everyone else. She would be unable to die unless she killed herself.
I think Genndy wanted to avoid that scenario.

But then again, I'm probably overthinking it.

>>92560313
just put a fucking wacha! at the end
how hard that can be

>>92561241
The problem is, that was jack's intention all along but for the sake of continuing the series, every time jack wanted to achieve is goal, he decided the future that was no longer going to exist was more important.

Speaking from a pure methodical level of story telling, jack's actions make no sense because he KNEW that after he went back to defeat aku, what happened to whoever he left behind during that grim situation wouldn't have mattered because the time line is gone and so are they.

It's just jack finally did it, and the only thing that felt awkward was trying to create attachment outside of his righteous deeds affecting the lives of the many across the land. They didn't really need ashi to have jack remember the people fondly. It's just she was the embodiment of the future.

>>92560313
I would've ended it the same way but devoted a little less time to the buildup at the beginning and devote that time to the scene where Ashi realizes she can time travel plus her and Aku's death

>>92565048
>tfw someone is too assblasted to do anything but squeal and try to act intelligent. C:

>>92560313
>What would YOU have done, if it was so terrible? How would YOU have ended it?

I'd have it almost exactly the same but Ashi would live. After their wedding they would be alone looking out at the kingdom on the balcony Jack would sit as a child. Jack would smile at Ashi and then look sad and say "My friends. I wasn't able to say goodbye. Were we right to defeat Aku in the past?" Then Ashi takes Jacks hand and the scene pans out to the sky. It then descends again to show an alternate future where alternate versions of the people Jack saved are living happy lives. It's bittersweet because will never see it and they will never know that it was Jack who won them their freedom

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>What would YOU have done?

Easy, drop the filler and nonsensical plot elements and replace them:
1. Jack didn't lose his sword but has been spending years trying to create a army himself. That way he looks downtrodden but proactive, not a depressed loser that got sad over killing a few sheep.
2. Most of the season has Jack exploring/revisiting the lives he's helped, ruined, and the ramifications of him either staying in the future or going back to the past. This would help give the final battle against Aku more meaning.

And the previous season already planted these seeds to be explored, but for some reason we got a bland new character to take up half the running time to show parts of the story that don't really mean anything or parts we the audience already know about.

>>92565123
>tfw too smart to not be out smart by a smarty

>>92564933

This. I'm 100% convinced that anybody complaining didn't grow up with the show and missed the entire point.

>>92564813
>powers only activate at a very convenient point in time

Yeah nah go fuck yourself

>>92564349
Jack still remembers everything, stable time loop, etc.

>>92565065
Oh yeah, that's neat actually, good on you.

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>>92565132
>Most of the season has Jack exploring/revisiting the lives he's helped, ruined, and the ramifications of him either staying in the future or going back to the past. This would help give the final battle against Aku more meaning.
>>92561241
>Anyone else feel like Jake going back to the past undos any sort of weight the series held?


These are what should've been addressed. Jack had several instances in old shows where he thought about what he's done in the future vs what would he do in the past. This season should've been about Jack coming to an important decision regarding this issue. Not trying to bang a chimpfaced assassin whose sisters he killed.

>>92565251
They activated last episode when Aku flipped the on switch, you moron.

>>92560313
>What would YOU have done, if it was so terrible? How would YOU have ended it?
>Kill Aku in the future
>Kill Aku in the past
>Split timeline means both "past" and "bad future" characters are kept alive but can never interact with each others again, maybe Jack can choose to stay in the future with Ashi at the cost of never seeing his family alive again.
>Don't fucking kill off Ashi for no fucking reason like a week after Aku got killed, you're going to tell me it took one week for the universe to realize she shouldn't be here?

Fuck you Genndy, seriously, the finale was great but you dropped the ball on the last five minutes and that's the part which matter the most.

>>92560313
whyd they gotta pull that gurren lagann shit with ashi
my boy jack just cant catch a break

>>92560313
I just wanted to have an actual ending. I got an actual ending. I'm satisfied. Everyone else can fuck a rake for all I care.

>>92562194
Well, they both had 50 years of depression and not knowing what to do but just "waiting it out" for one to die.

why'd the show get cancelled in the first place?

>>92564629
>he
We know it's you lol

>>92565490
Because CN is run by a bunch retarded monkeys that greenlit TTG and nuPPG.

It's pretty damn clear anything with a modicum of quality lives on borrowed time with them.

>>92565251
>Powers are forced into activation by Aku. Ashi gets mind controlled by Aku. Ashi breaks te mind control but still maintains control of the powers that Aku woke in her.
>Somehow this is an asspull
Nah, yeah. Go fuck yourself.

>>92564362
>we don't even learn his real name.
because it's not important?

You know, people keep saying that by changing the past Jack erased most of the people he knew, but a good percentage of them died when Aku rained spikes on them anyways. (which by the way was just fucking awesome, I'm glad he had a badass scene before dying). Rothchild and his dogs, the mondo bot guy, the triseraquins, the archers, the ravers, the woolies. Only the spartans and the scotsman's daughters had a chance of surviving, and I don't think those shields could have withstood the spikes for much time if the mondo bot collapsed so easily.

>>92565554
Although those came to be like a decade after SJ's cancellation.

>>92564933
I grew up on Samurai Jack and I say this ending was shit. I wouldn't have cared if season 5 had a plot or not. What I don't like is that the plot it decided to go with fucked Jack in the ass. He won? Yay. But everything was so rushed that none of it has impact. Genndy tried to cram too many subplots into this and they all collided with each other in the wrong ways. If he wanted to do something story driven, it should have focused on Jack. If he wanted to end it episodic, that would have been fine to. The main point here is that it should have been about Jack and only Jack like it always was. He is the character the viewer is attached to. He is the viewer's anchor in that crazy world. He is the character the viewer has watched grow for years. He is the purest, noblest character whose trials and tribulations have any impact. It's horrible that they wasted him this season.

>>92565490

CN wanted them to do the star wars cartoon instead
also some higher ups just didnt like the show

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>>92564330
>Jack has been missing for years
>Jack ages slow enough to have gray on his beard
>Jack has lost his way and has gone into a deep depression since the time portals got destroyed
>more Samurai rise up against Aku
>Scotsman's death pushes Jack out of retirement
>Seven daughter plot is kept
>first few episodes consist of Jack trying to restore himself
>Ashi becomes his sidekick and later his lover lover
>Jack finds his sword like int he show (doesn't lose the beard
>Ending is the same but this time the battle is more brutal
>Jack leads the armies
>Da Samoorai dies in honor
>The Ghost of the Scotsman suffers as he watches his daughters die on the battle field
>leaves everyone dead but Ashi, Jack, and Aku
>Jack and Ashi travel tot he past
>Jack and Ashi are fatally wounded
>Jack gives the final blow, killing Aku
>Jack and Ashi die on the ground together
>many years later a flowering tree grows on the spot

>>92560313
I made it a bit longer but with the same ending. its seem really rushed to me.

>>92565581
This, most of Jack's friends had been killed during the battle. Best to just undo all the terrible things that had happened in the first place and finally end his quest. The only sucky thing is that all those people he had saved and came to care for have probably stopped existing since the future was so radically altered by Aku, but it's better for them to not have existed and suffered under Aku's tyranny in the first place so it smooths out.

>>92565490

After the Naruto death scandal a lot of shows didn't get renewed. So instead of looking at the ratings or just finishing the paperwork the new CEO had everyone pitch their next season.

Obviously trying to pitch season 5 as if it's season 1 does not work so Jack, TT and many other got the boot.

>>92565554
i dom't get how those greenlights were seen as a wise idea but not jack
wasn't he doing well? what did have to lose?

>>92563497
Man, we didn't even see the events that lead up to the wedding. Like, goddamn. There was little to no interaction once Jack beat Aku. I don't give a fuck about an I love you, not if it's not earned and you me little reason to invest or feel pity for Ashi.

>>92564330
1 - Daughters backstory, Scaramouche (exactly the same)
2 - Jack vs Daughters pt 1, Jack almost gets rekt and discovers Daughters are humans (exactly the same)
3 - Jack vs Daughters pr 2, Jack kills all the Daughters.
4 - Crows call Jack a murderer, Jack yells that he gave them a choice, entire episode is Jack dealing with his inner demons as he makes his way out of a giant monster.
5 - Unable to cope alone, Jack seeks the monks' assistance. They lead him through a spiritual journey. Sheep flashback, tea ceremony, all that spiritual crap. Jack does NOT achieve balance. Monks can protect Jack from hordes while he does his thing. Wisest monk tells Jack he is close to achieving balance.
6 - Jack travels the world, sees all the good he's done, ends up where he lost his sword. It starts to rain, the hole fills up with water, he tells the Gods that if they want him, they can have him, he's at inner peace with himself. Poof, he achieves balance, the Gods give him his sword, DO NOT shave his beard.
7 - Surprise, Ashi is still alive! Scaramouche informs Aku that Jack lost his sword. Same scene, except Ashi gladly accepts Aku's powers. Aku flees, Ashi fights Jack, kills her good. High Priestess watches from the sidelines, mourns the death of her daughter, unrepentant. Jack is saddened by this and decides to put an end to Aku's bullshit.
8 - Jack finds the Guardian. No fight, the Guardian restores the portal that Aku destroyed. Jack uses the portal, huge fight with Aku in the past, but he cannot defeat him, Aku sends Jack to the future again thinking he's Jack's descendant.
Episode 9 - Guardian is all "I dunno man". Aku senses the time portal, destroys it and kills the Guardian. Guardian gives Jack teleportation magic with his last breath. Jack pursues Aku all over the fucking universe.
10 - Aku, hounded by Jack, begs the Gods to help him. Souls of the dead watch, Jack arrives, slashes Aku.Aku dies, the sword breaks, Jack dies, joins his people with the Gods

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>>92562194
Totally agree. The whole new season made me feel this way honestly. I like to think that if Mako was still here things would have felt different.

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>>92560313
Due to time travel, won't Jack remain ageless and eventually outlive his friends and family?

>>92565833
>Episode 9 - Guardian is all "I dunno man".

dont quit your day job

the irony is that much of /co/ hates ashi but i'm pretty sure the main reason she was there was because of them (waifufags)

I probably wouldn't have spent most of the last season giving him a love interest just to snatch her away in the last few seconds of the last few episode, just ensuring that Jack never entirely feels happy with his victory.

Dick move, Genndy.

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SJ is over...What are we going to watch and bitch about now?

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Were there even any memorable episodes from this season? I mean wheres the the six robot samurais, the light vs dark ninja, the bounty hunter, jump good, blind archers, the 300 etc. What the hell even happened this season besides muh Jashi?

>>92561259
My problem is I really liked Ashi, but I agree given that the show had 10 episodes, It was doomed from the start to introduce a new love interest and have it not seem rushed.

>>92561852
>conveniently Mary Sue's some powers out of fucking nowhere
>out of fucking nowhere
some people on this website man, it's like you either didn't watch the show or are legitimately mentally challenged

>>92562194
This. Their fight was short and lacked any impact that it should have had. That graveyard fight was fucking intense and I would even call it the best in the series. The finale should have topped that. In this episode, both of them knew it would be the last time they would see each other one way or another. The emotions should have been very present but it was all brushed under the rug because Genndy wanted to do a million other things.

Episode gave zero shits about Aku's death, that bothered me.

>>92565947
That's not literally what he says, but he just didn't know that you can't change the past. After all he's been guarding that portal for eons, so it was all a waste of time? He doesn't understand.

>>92563739
>where my headcanon is LAW!
you mean where your headcanon isn't law

>>92561220
exactly such a shame isn't it :/

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>>92566022

>>92561726
>100 million
Nah, this site has only 100,000s of people at most, and the majority of them head to /b/ and /pol/.

>>92565811
>Naruto death scandal
??

>>92564111
whoever replaced Mako did a killer job this episode compared to his first appearance

>>92566086
That's literally Mako.

>>92566126
I meant for not the intro, barely noticed a difference

>>92564917
Fucking THIS. Just, if you're going to just completely up and hand wave that away, you'd have been better off not mentioning it.

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It's up on kimcartoon if you missed it

I have to say, altough im disapointed by the insane rushed ending and again wasted time on dumb things (like scotman naming a bunch of daughters), that last scene made it worth for me. It just... ends. The ending as it is is good, but as everyone says, bad paced and not so well executed. Im happy and sad for this.

>>92566083

http://www.tv.com/news/boy-dies-after-friends-imitate-naruto-11008/

Because of this the original CEO and founder of CN stepped down. It also almost killed Disney XD.

>>92561509
No there's not. The Jack we see get flung in the future is the same exact one we see come back.

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>>92560441
I'm his fanbase and I love the ending you don't speak for me!

>>92566153
>>92564917
it may have been a not so absolute prophecy that was denied when Aku destroyed that particular portal

Be honest /co/, who cried?

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>>92566197
Stupid kids.

they honestly did their best to do a finale in 22 minutes
the terrible pacing only really shows in the last 5 minutes
maybe we got to spoiled by the first 3 episodes