DC Comics SJW Containment Sector

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>>92528672

Nah. Marvel have the movies now

>>92528694
>the MCU is for SJWs
I believe you.

But New 52 Batgirl wasn't good.

>>92528765

Reading comprehension, anon. Now it's good. New 52 is dead. We're in Rebirth now.

>>92528672
DC have the approach of just making a bunch of comics for girls, with relatable characters.

Marvel patronise that demographic by drenching their comics in a sea of pandering Mary Sue bullshit. Most of Marvel's female line-up are unrelatable due to being ridiculously perfect.

>>92528970
>with relatable characters
are we just going to ignore that Batgirl is horrible

>>92528970
This. I feel like DC knows how to compartmentalize their imprints/lines really well.

>>92528672
Because DC doesn't involve their well loved classic characters in it. Example, Bruce IS the Batman, it's part of his character, and it's more than just a mantle, characters like Dick who have taken the name grew into it and it fits with their established character.

Marvel prefers to just replace the classic characters whenever for the sole reason to pander and generate publicity. It's not even subtle, when all of the successors are minorities and women, nothing wrong with that, but it feels so purposeful and blatant that it's as if the MU is being rewritten by tumblr college girls and middle aged guys who want to feel hip and superior.

>Birds of Prey is SJW

>>92529262
I believe that you said it all.

>>92528672
>>92529000
Well for one DC doesn't shove their ALL NEW young diverse heroes to the forefront of every event over the classic flagship heroes people like.

>>92528784
supergirl rebirth so far has been garbage

>>92528994
Yeah but her flaws make her endearing and human

>>92528672
Yeah, and they separate target audiences. Batgirl of Burnside is primarily aimed at the late-teen and early-college female audience. They don't pretend that it should be everyone's cup of tea or that everyone who doesn't read it must hate female characters. They also have comics for people who prefer more mature female characters (like me), or people who just want their monthly Superman fix without the bullshit. Some of their comics are better than others but the tone of Batgirl doesn't bleed into the whole DCU so it's easy to ignore if it's not a thing you like.

Meanwhile at Marvel, you're a shithead if you don't ackowledge Moongirl as the pre-eminent intellect of the Marvel universe.

>>92529356

The ongoing is just normal but that miniseries... yeah, that's bad.

>>92529492
Exactely. Batgirl is shit but I don"t have to bear with it in every book. I just wait for it to die.

I really want Barbara back to her wheelchair, but I fear it will never happen.
But the ugly hip costume is bound to die in a few year when her book is canceled.

>>92529282
Yeah, Batgirl & the BOP is thoroughly CW, not SJW.

>>92528672
Batgirl has some of the most ridiculous writing in the franchise. Like, Guggenheim Hacking ridiculous.

The only genuinely good comic among these is Green Arrow, partially because of how it's self-aware of Ollie's own preachiness, and manages to contrast his claims, his hypocricies and his actual good deeds.

>>92528994
t. Cass/Stephcuck
Cry is free.

>>92529356
Yeah, what grinds my gears is she's incredibly naive and promiscuous in each story arc. do we seriously need a new love interest every 4 issues?

>>92528994
We're ignoring how this isn't a general consensus but rather your own personal opinion.

>>92528672
Babs Batgirl still sucks. That aside, I suppose it is true DC has managed to avoid fucking up its money makers the way Marvel has. I attribute that to the failure of DCYou though. If that had succeeded, DC may be have been sucking worse than Marvel.

>>92528970
See for example America.

>>92529713
>failure of DCYou
but I liked DCYou, and it was still miles better than what Marvel is putting out right now.

>>92529713

Birds of Prey is pretty good, though. Dick is kind of half in the Batgirl sphere, with Helena being on BoP now. But other than Detective Comics, Batgirl really isn't in anything else. Outside of her comics she's written like what Babs is usually written as.

>>92529356
Fuck off, Marvelshill. It's much better than anything Ewing is writing and much better than the edgy new 52 Supergirl.

>>92529713
But DCYou was great and Rebirth is garbage.

>>92529770
>ewing
>new 52 batgirl

can blame you for liking batgirl rebirth since you have pretty low standards

>>92528701
>the straight white male protagonists
It really does make sense.

>>92529356
I would really know but I can't, that art hurt my eyes.

>>92529800
Rebirth Batgirl is still miles better than anything Marlel is producing. Go take your shilling elsewhere.

>>92529822
Not really a high bar you're setting since idw turds are also miles better than anything marvel

>>92529810
You're not the only one struggling, I'm trying to give batgirl a chance but so far at issue 10 it's not really interesting storywise and the art is mediocre

>>92529262
This, even with Super-man, he didn't upstage Clark Kent and take over. He's not THE Superman and they're not trying to make him it. Even his personality is different than your typical Superman

>>92529853
batgirl art is plain mediocre, supergirl art is "how the fuck did the artist get a job at DC " level of bad imho.

That's because, while DC has a little line about misogyny and social issues every once in a while,they never went full retard And had their characters say A BUNCH OF MISOGYNYSTIC FILTH.

Remember the whole "the lasso of truth won't stop mansplaining?"DC realised that shit didn't work and changed their ways, when marvel comics bombed at sales they just went on twitter and called everyone sexist.

DC comics are fun stories, while marvel now feels like plot excuses to have someone bitching about how Everything is sexist, even kamala who was supposed to be a cute street level hero became an insufferable mouthpiece for her writer and now let me tell you about how islam is the best religion ever.

Marvel showed no respect for their original characters, Ironheart , lady thor and hawkeye all feel the need to humilliate the original character who had their mantle, not to mention in an effort to not offend anyone, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THIS CHARACTERS is perfect and doesn't lose to anyone so they come off as boring.

DC on the other hand found a girl/tumblr market but their minority characters are not invicible and they come off as people, not mouthpieces and they don't fill the need to shove in every single political opinions the writers have, so they are infinitely better written and more enjoyable

>>92529897
I quit reading supergirl after h'el on earth tbph, not really my cup of tea. does it eventually get better?

>>92529898
Marvel needs to get their shit together

>>92529262
>nothing wrong with the successors all being minorities or women

There is when it's blatant pandering and I say this as a minority. I sincerely hate that people think sticking a brown or Asian person in a role previously filled by a white person suddenly makes you progressive or good. It doesn't, all it does is make you look like an idiot trying to push an agenda. And people who are apologists for it in an attempt to not look like a bigot are part of the problem as well

>>92529920
Red Daughter and Space Hogwarts were pretty good, but her Rebirth series is boring with shit art.

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>>92529920

Yeah the rest of her New 52 run is great and has some amazing art to go with it. She becomes a Red Lantern (it works) and goes off to superhero alien school for a bit. Also, Maxima is gay for Supergirl. Hopefully they follow up on that.

>>92529926
Not happening soon I'm afraid

>>92529975
>>92529980

thanks i'll check out the rest of new52, and skip rebirth

>>92529959
>I sincerely hate that people think sticking a brown or Asian person in a role previously filled by a white person suddenly makes you progressive or good.
I sincerely think you're projecting.

>>92528672
The problem with Marvel is that it's politics first, story second, and continuity forth. The thing that annoys me with liberals is that they think repeating the same message over and over is groundbreaking.

"Hey! Trump is terrible"
YOU DON'T SAY?! It's not like every other story isn't already saying that!

>>92528701
Sure, that's exactly the reason they whitewashed Ancient One and Maria Hill. Classic SJW move.

>>92530009
Are you honestly implying that most mantle changes haven't been done in the name of "progress"? When most writers have outright admitted to have done so out of some need to make things "more friendly" for minorities? I know a hood chunk of /co/ are liberals but this ignorance is amazing...

>>92530029
>It's not like every other story isn't already saying that!
Cause it's not like that at all so quit your bitching.

>>92530132
>((Progress))
What's wrong with progress?

>>92530029
And then they wonder how he won with that approach and why the country has swung this hard to the right since Reagan...

>>92530142
But most of it is done out of ignorance and is fueled by largely by entitlement

>>92530150
>the country has swung this hard to the right since Reagan...
Actually repeated studies show that most americans are centrist, which is why most americans vote Democrat.

>>92530099
>Maria Hill

She's only brown in the cartoon, and I feel like the only reason for it was so people could tell her and Quake apart because Bendis must've forgotten his own work again when he had the brilliant idea to create "SHIELD agent with a pixie cut" twice.

>>92530029
Can you even name 5 comics where this has actually happened?

And no, being so insecure you see Trump metaphors in every page of Secret Empire doesn't count.

>>92530168
>entitlement
I don't think it's entitled to want to read about someone other than a straight white guy.

>>92530009
When the company/writer makes a huge deal of it in marketing or even in-story, that's exactly the case. Not so much when they don't care. Funnily enough, DC chooses the "Yeah, whatever" approach more often than not (e.g. Cass Batgirl, Connor Green Arrow, Jaime Blue Beetle, Ryan Atom, the various lanterns) .

>>92530009
>>92530132

You know what the real difference is? How well it's done. A good writer can spin anything and make it work. Rhodey first became Iron Man because Tony was a drunk and his ongoing issue with alcohol left him a mess. It made sense for him to take over. Now you have Riri, the black female tech genius that isn't Rhodey's niece (lost in comics limbo), shoehorned in out of nowhere and now she's Ironheart... even though the comic is still called Iron Man.

I mean seriously, Lila Rhodes just lost her uncle and she's nowhere to be seen. Not there to pick up the mantle of her father and his best friend that's also her mentor.

>>92530176
>"Studies"

Yeah, OK. Most democrat voters only show up during presidential elections and are largely concentrated in cities. By large the country is right to center, along with all that, most of the country still doesn't vote anyway. But yes, keep believing democrats are the majority, surely it'll be true some day...

Or not

>>92530193
It is when straight white men are where most of the money comes from and it is when you want to usurp an already made mantle instead of making an original one. Learn what entitlement means

>>92530209
Is that any worse than just conjuring a black Wally West out of thin air to test the waters, then when no one is impressed, reintroducing white Wally and making black Wally his "cousin" who also just happens to have Speedforce?

>>92530209
That's not because of SJW but because of Bendis.
>b-but he's a sjw
No he's not, he's a a hack who copies whatever is popular. Marvel isn't sjw snowflake liberals. It's a company that exploits their characters of color.

>>92530240
how dare those white men buy something they like and don't buy something they don't like
those monsters

>>92530244
Well they didn't conjure him out of thin air, they were trying to cash in on the TV show popularity by having a Black wally but black wally doesn't make sense cause we hardly see his black family.

>>92530251
>It's a company that exploits their characters of color
And that's fucked

>>92529630
>Batgirl has some of the most ridiculous writing in the franchise
Agreed. I think I will finally give Devin Grayson run a try; I want to read a more classic Batgirl, not a Batgirl for female digital natives.

>>92530222
>Most democrat voters only show up during presidential elections
In Congressional elections the Democrats generally receive several million more total votes, but districting has left the Repubs with a sitting majority.
The Senate skews Republican because you get 2 Senators for every single state, even though there are 6 essentially empty Red States out West that combined lack the population of California.

>>92530244

Black Wally is a leftover from New 52 and DCYou. And it seems they are going to do something with him. I don't mind him other than the fact he has the same name. They don't have an Impulse/Kid Flash so he fits that for the time being.

>>92530251

It's really about the fact he has black adopted daughters and there's also those royalties to consider. And considering his favoring of black characters (he has "jokingly" admitted to having a crush on Luke Cage) and some things he said on Twitter, I'd say he is an SJW. But the real point is in showing the right way of doing a diverse character taking over a mantle compared to the wrong way.

>>92530222
>largely concentrated in cities
I see you guys always like to bring this up, like it somehow a negative to live on a city.

>>92530209
>A good writer
It pretty much comes down to this. Al Ewing has had two different books that were almost entirely minorities (one being ENTIRELY) and he made it work. For a time, Ms Marvel worked too, and had sales backed up by new readers too.

The new legacy characters CAN work, ANAD Avengers was charming enough (even if I dislike Miles and Kamala being on a team), it's just Marvel lacking the writing talent to handle them, or just not putting the proper writers on it.


>>92530150
>>92530176
>>92530222
Do you fuckers have to do this in every fucking thread? Holy shit.

>>92530298
> I'd say he is an SJW
I wouldn't, him being enamored with black culture does not make a sjw.

>>92530192
Spencer's first SamCap arc, the Spider-Gwen annual, Duggan's Spider-Man/Deadpool issue, the current "deport mutants" subplot in X-Men Gold.
Though DC does it too in the fringes. You had that kind of thing in Bombshells, Wacky Raceland, and currently in Scooby Apocalypse. Manapul and Hitch tried to write Trump stories in Trinity and JL and were rejected after they were solicited.
>>92530292
Look up the congressional totals from the last election. Republicans won the popular vote.

>>92530301
>rampant crime
>expensive living costs
>shitty schools

It is

>>92530316
>tfw miles morales can be one of the most popular marvel characters but he's stuck with bendis and waid writing him

His comics sell well despite Bendis. It's just like how Peter is being wasted by having Slott writing him for a decade.

>>92530316
>Do you fuckers have to do this in every fucking thread
I'm tired of ignorant right wing propaganda anon.

>>92530244
I blame TV show synergy.

>>92530327
Hi, Festus. How's the unemployment treatin' ya?

>>92530328
I get why Marvel doesn't want to give Miles to someone else because he IS Bendis' creation, but yeah, Champions needs to be killed or given to another writer.

Or an editor can actually do their job and reign Mark Waid in, holy fuck. That's another big issue. What happened to Marvel editorial?

>>92530336
You will literally never persuade him that Trump/Republicans are bad, even as they actively work to shut down the internet, among every other shitty thing they've got going.

>>92530347
And here comes the strawman because the facts have hurt the snowflakes feelings. I don't even live in a country area but thanks for giving me a laugh

>>92530373
>Trump and Republicans are bad

They aren't. Liberals and socialists are though

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>>92530374
>why ye callin' me a strawman?
>ye SNOWFLAKE!

>all this political "debate"
>everyone giving everyone else you's

I guess everyone wins.

>>92530336
Its hilarious how you people claim right wing propaganda when almost every media outlet is liberal. Jesus, how can you people be so blind? Should I be surprised though? Most of you thought popular vote determined who became president still

>>92530393
>Trump
>Republican

>Liberals
>Socialists

See you in a year, when Trump is "betrayed" and champions against the new evil guys. How about necrophiliac communist liberals?

Well hasn't DC been doing Social Justice for years (as in decades)?

And I don't mean this modern faux-Social Justice that all the kids are into these days, I mean proper real social justice, like dealing with actual social issues like drugs, homelessness, racism and so on.

So it kinda stands to reason that they'd be able to do it better.

>>92530393
>>92530336
See what I mean? Slash and burning environmental regulations wasn't enough. Trying to sell off swaths of public land (or no, just giving them out because House republicans revalued public land at 0 dollars) wasn't enough. Actively working to destroy the health market wasn't enough.

Not even taking away the internet is enough! You will never get through to them, even after Hiroshima shuts down 4chan because no more net neutrality.

>>92528672
Except DC has much more diverse titles than just what you mentioned. Harley Quinn is a bisexual abuse survivor; New Super-Man is chinese; new Green Lanterns aren't white either - see, the trick is that DC wants diverse stories because they know it would make for better stories. Story of a chinese Super-Man created to make China independent is interesting. Story of Harley Quinn in relationship with Poison Ivy is interesting. Green Arrow has always been about social issues anyway.

The trick is, DC does these stories because they know they will make for good stories, not just for some diversity brownie points - which will always eventually give diminishing returns, which is something Marvel is just learning - they made Thor female, Spider-Man and Cap black just to make them black, not to make the stories better.
Also, DC is smart enough to recognize that REPLACING a beloved character will always be seen as an unpopular move, which is why they fucked up like that exactly once - with black Wally - and they have since retracted on that and made him a separate character.

>>92530399
You are a snowflake because instead of refuting my claim you immediately resorted to ad hominem because you had no argument. The fact the you resorted to green text and a reaction image only compounds your failure. Once again, thanks for the laugh

>>92530435
Got a point

>>92530444
Dc feels more natural and integrated while Marvel shoe horns it in.

>>92530425
Republicans aren't trying to take away my right to bear arms, increase my taxes, create stupid quotas, let men with mental issues use women's bathrooms, or trying to fuck over my 401k with wall street sanctions. So yes, fuck all of those on the left.

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DO NOT RESPOND TO SOCIAL JUSTICE THREADS

4CHAN IS BEING FLOODED WITH REFUGEES FROM R/THE_DONALD

>>92530438
You retards don't even know what net neutrality does. All you do is assume that it means you can't get on fucking 4chan because someone with money said so

>>92530193
It is though. Your rights don't include what fiction will be created. You're not that important.

>>92530496
you mean that /co/ was over taken by tumblr a while ago

>>92530496
>r/thedonald boogieman

Wew lad

>>92530482
>Republicans aren't trying to take away my right to bear arms
No one is tho, that's just NRA propaganda designed to turn gun rights into an all or nothing wedge issue.

>>92530482
the left is also blatantly racist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2GSLPqT22E

>>92530525
>r/the_donald was just made private
>/pol/ has an enormous amount of reddit crossposters
>the alt-right is in full panic mode considering the business with Comey

It's not a bogeyman if he's actually there, shill.

>>92530438
Trump slashed carbon emissions oh no, the earth will become in an inhospitable desert now. My electric bill just went down though

>>92530518
>it is though
Then so is complaining about them, in fact it's even more so considering how many white characters exist.

>>92530518
well it's a good thing that there have been tons of comics about non white guys for a long time

>>92530532
Diane feinstein along with every major anti gun group gets DNC support. Fuck off

>>92530502
I know exactly what it does. 4chan barely gets by financially as it is (hence all the fucking ads on it now), and Hiro is not going to pay comcast for better access once the ISPs start throttling traffic.

Can you defend the merits of taking it away?

>>92530532
>>92530482
Trump is arguably the biggest threat to the 2nd amendment since he wants a nationwide stop and frisk policy that specifically calls for taking guns away.

>>92530552
He also made it okay for coal factories to dump their garbage into rivers and streams.

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Dear new janitors,
Please make this board /pol/-free.
Love,
anon

>>92530532
>all or nothing wedge issue

It IS all or nothing. Are you incapable of reading or does the "The right to bear arms shall not be restricted" part confuse you?

>Why isn't Marvel copying this?

they lack the talent

>>92530597
Trump campaigned on stop and frisk, and on changing the first amendment to be LESS protective. Why don't you go cite the constitution to him?

>>92530554
>>92530571
The difference lies in what exactly you're doing.
Wanting more non-white/straight/male characters is not wrong.
Asking for more non-white/straight/male characters is also not wrong.
Claiming there SHOULD be more non-white/straight/male characters or that it's somehow offensive or bad if you don't get more of them is wrong though.

On the other side, not wanting more non-straight/white/male characters is not wrong.
Asking for more straight/white/male characters is also not wrong.
But claiming there SHOULDN'T be more non-straight/white/male characters is wrong .

>>92530582
You clearly don't even know what the net neutrality law actually does, you just presume everyone is going to get their band with throttled which shows your ignorance

Trump is creating legislation that will make the intent of the second amendment clear to all states that presume they have the right to prohibit ownership or concealed carry. Stop and frisk targets illegals who have no rights

>>92530518
>Your rights don't include what fiction will be created.
Actually as a consumer I do have that right. If I want I will demand it and I will not stop till I get it.

>>92530518
>You're not that important.
then they don't need my money

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reminder this is the stuff that sjw want in comics

>>92530592
>thread started on political basis

>surprised when politics get involved

How fucking stupid are you?

>>92530669
>>92530702

No, you don't. You have the right to not pay for stuff you don't like and pay for stuff you do, but you don't have the right to decide what others create. You are a part of the market, creators have the right to choose whether pandering to or ignoring you is a good business choice.

>>92530444
This is largely it, but also Marvel writers are just not really capable of subtlety. They write a lot of things as if they feel like their readers are 5 year olds who need flat PSAs instead of being able to draw their own conclusion in the end. The Deathstroke gun issue for example was so fucking masterful. I can't imagine anything like that from modern Marvel.

>>92530735
Nah the thread is about storytelling. Arguing about if your personal political stance is right or wrong is off topic.

>>92530661
Net Neutrality requires every ISP provide the same access to any site. Will they actively throttle every site? No. Will they actively prioritize other sites over sites like 4chan? Absolutely. Can you ACTUALLY defend the merits of taking away Net Neutrality?

>Trump is creating legislation
Nigger, he couldn't even write a health bill. He had to latch onto Paul Ryan's POS bill, and you think he's creating any kind of legislation. Stop and Frisk isn't about illegal immigrants, it's about gun violence in general.

>>92528994
I agree shes horrible but I have a small boobs fetish and she's got a cute face so it's all about the eye candy for me, only reason I still buy her issues.

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>>92530780
100% true
when Jack Kirby based a villain on a president we got Darkseid
when Marvel based a villain on a president we got this

>>92530815
I'd argue that is the only time something like that would be almost halfway appropriate since the dude said he'd ban all muslims from entering America. Still real tacky though.

>>92530754
true we don't have a right to force people to write what we like, at the same time the writer doesn't have the right to force people to like what they write
what we have now days are writers getting pissed that their blatant propaganda isn't selling well and are now trying to shame people into buying it

>>92530844
>he'd ban all muslims from entering America
when did he say he would ban all muslims

>>92530815
>villain
>has literally never opposed any character, ever bean so much as a supporting role in any story, was a two-page gag in an elseworlds yet t so much as be mentioned again

you 'not reading comics' scale is visible from orbit

>>92530754
>No, you don't.
Yeah I do.
>you don't have the right to decide what others create
I have a right to an opinion, I have a right to criticize and discuss what's happening in these comics.

>>92530844
You can do it without doing it. Like in Pak's Action run when he had Superman going up against police brutality it did not demonize all cops and then he even lampshaded that it was kind of the easy way out that the guy was a monster in disguise and not an actual police officer.

Though I think that he is one of the few who has some tact at Marvel right now still. It's much more about the creatives than the company. Marvel just mostly has really bad ones.

>>92530860
https://youtu.be/wJrOoUOCFS0
It was on his website too up until a week ago when a reporter asked Sean Spicer about it.

>>92530860
Right after the orlando shootings.
>we should have a Muslim bam.

>>92530898
>>92530908
looking at Europe this might be a good idea

>>92530791
No net neutrality actually opens the ISP market to more companies instead of the outright monopoly it is now and it allows those who have the means to get faster band with, to do so, without having to share it with the fuck who felt like doing nothing but streaming porn. And no you idiot, no company with sense will just start throttling because they'd list customers. You idiots are so stuck on the government cock that thought of being without it makes you cry

>>92530894
Yeah, it is really tacky in general, and a Marvel editor should have stopped it (or made it less... blatant).

I think Marvel has some really good writers, they're just not given the space to shine, and in Mark Waid's case, no one is keeping his insanity in check. Marvel treats Slott and Bendis like their fucking golden boys, and there are so many better writers working there.

>>92530925
It would be an unconstitutional idea.

>>92530898
Seven Muslim countries isn't the entire Islamic community you fucking idiot
Do you retards even bother to research shit before making claims?

>>92530947
true but ignoring the problem isn't going to help anything
>>92530955
that clip might be out of context if it is please send me a link to the full speech

>>92530955
>Well, he didn't say all of them should be banned

>>92528672
It woks on digital but SJW can't keep a serious ongoing, a real title cause usually comic readers are not SJWs and SJWs don't read comics so they support the title for a while and then they just forget about it cause the only important thing is if the hetero character is gay now.

Prasing? from tumblr.

>>92530142
>What's wrong with progress?
Ask Venezuela

>>92530927
You realize net neutrality was in response to the ISP market being monopolized, right? NN is important because "just go get another one" isn't a fucking option when most of the country only has one or two providers.

>>92528672
NON CANON

>>92530947
>It would be an unconstitutional idea.
It's the complete opposite actually. The President can ban whomever he wants for whatever reason he wants for however long he wants and he doesn't need permission from anyone to do so. Obama, Bush, Clinton, and Reagan ALL implemented travel bans.

>>92530978
Also, DC Comics doing better than Marvel despite both appealing to SJW/tumblr readers. Because if you right your story well, no one (in their right minds, at least) will give a shit what audience you're trying to appeal too, or what race/gender/sexual orientation the character has.

>>92530970
>nothing in the constitution gives non american citizens the right to enter the country.
There is something in the Constitution that says you can't ban a person based on religion or national origins. That why Trump's travel ban was thrown out.

>>92530978
Its not correct to call it a Muslim ban when it doesn't block all Muslims. Context is a thing and to incorrectly keep making the claim he's blocking Muslims shows your ignorance. He deemed immigration from those countries a threat, he had the right as president to bar them entry. Go be salty and wrong on reddit

>>92531040
Jimmy Carter in 1980
> the Secretary of Treasury [State] and the Attorney General will invalidate all visas issued to Iranian citizens for future entry into the United States, effective today. We will not reissue visas, nor will we issue new visas, except for compelling and proven humanitarian reasons or where the national interest of our own country requires. This directive will be interpreted very strictly.

>>92531033
>The President can ban whomever he wants for whatever reason
He cannot ban people based on religion or national origin.

>>92530955
His campaign promise of banning all muslims from entering the country predates the travel ban.

>Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States

This was on his website for months before the travel ban, and in fact, it was one of the reasons why the courts blocked the ban twice. Trump campaigned on targetting muslims specifically. Regardless of the Travel ban, his campaign promise was specifically ALL muslims. (this fact is ultimately one of the reasons the travel ban was thrown out)

>>92531041
>he had the right as president to bar them entry
Courts ruled otherwise.

>>92530984
It does not work on digital despite the rhetoric. Those books sell grouped with the same titles there as they do in physical.

It sort of works in bookstores, but it mostly depends on the book. Ms Marvel and Squirrel Girl do well there. Hellcat does not.

>>92531054
That was not a ban though dipshit, it literally says so in the quote.

>>92531041
Courts says otherwise. Go shit up some other thread with off-topic nonsense, pls.

>>92531040
There's nothing in the constitution that says that. The constitution prevents the state from intruding on a CITIZENS ability to practice any religion or creed they want. The fucks from Iraq and Somalia are not US citizens and do not have those rights from the constitution. You leftists are literally making shit up now

>>92531097
>we will not issue new visas and we will handle this matter very strictly
>not a ban

>>92529000
I think with New 52 they divided things up into seven categories(taken from Wiki).

"Justice League"
>These titles featured characters related to the Justice League.

"Batman"
>These titles featured Batman and the "Batman Family" of characters.

"Superman"
>These titles featured Superman and the "Superman Family" of characters.

"Green Lantern"
>These titles featured the members of the Green Lantern Corps, as well as the other Lantern Corps of the emotional spectrum.

"Young Justice"
>These titles featured teen-aged characters and superhero teams.

"The Edge"
>These are titles with war, science fiction, western, or crime themes, and include titles and characters formerly belonging to the WildStorm imprint.

"The Dark"
>These are titles with supernatural, fantasy and horror themes, including titles and characters formerly belonging to the Vertigo imprint.


And within those imprints the writers had a lot of collaboration and the editors kept things mostly intact so that the pieces fit together mostly well. Marvel they haven't got that kind of tight control over their various properties. If they did they'd probably have:

X-Men.
Avengers.
Magic.
Wolverine.
Spider-Man.
Space Stuff.
Minority Appeasement.
Bendis Containment.

Once upon a time they'd also have Fantastic Four up there.

>>92531100
>There's nothing in the constitution that says that
Yeah they is, know the law sir.

I think it might be good to point out that this isn't partisan at all. Liberal readers love stuff like Fables that has obvious strong conservative ideals in it. You can still entertain people who disagrees with you. The problem for Marvel lies in the execution. No one would care if they were still just as SJW as they are now if the stories were good.

>>92531152
Tell someone who cares. We're discussing comics here.

>>92530887
You have a right to your opinion.
But it can be a wrong opinion.
>I am entitled to the existence of people who want to create stuff I want
is a wrong opinion.

>criticise
whining. The word you're looking for is whining. To critic, you have to prove your case, not just state you dislike something. You have to prove why it's bad.
Otherwise you're whining.

>>92531100
>The constitution prevents the state from intruding on a CITIZENS ability to practice any religion or creed they want.
No, freedom of religion is inalienable right. The founding father considered it a universal right and not just for American citizens.

>>92528672
I have Cassandra in Tec. Couldn't care less about Babs.

>>92531203
opinions can't be wrong you fucking idiot

>>92531203
>I am entitled to the existence of people who want to create stuff I want
What part of that post are you quoting?

>>92531233
An opinion can be wrong if it's based on facts and suppositions that are verifiably incorrect.

>>92531192
This thread was made in political context so political discussion was inevitable, stop being an idiot. If you wanted to avoid political discussion, this thread wouldnt have been made. So fuck off and eat a dick, plenty of other threads to go to

>>92531203
your point is correct that he cannot control what others produce, but

>>I am entitled to the existence of people who want to create stuff I want
>is a wrong opinion.

This is just a false statement not an opinion

>>92531152
>The 9th circuit court has a an 80% repeal rate for a reason
You don't actually know what this statistic means. Every court has a high repeal rate because the Surpreme Court ONLY takes cases where there's an obvious conflict. Moreover, Trump withdrew the first ban, and changed it. That is admission of the first ban being flawed. It's not going to the supreme court, and even if it was, they wouldn't take the case when the US Government's defense starts with "The president's will will not be questioned".

>>92531216
Your fan fiction isn't reality and nor does it address the point that non citizens still do not have the right to enter our country

>>92531255
No, this thread is about the quality of writing between DC & Marvel being different, despite them both trying to appeal to the same people. Your opinions on Trump/the Muslim ban or whatever are irrelevant to this thread, so fuck off.

>>92531203
>I am entitled to the existence of people who want to create stuff I want is a wrong opinion.
That's how the market you know nothing idiot. If I, The consumer, want a product than the only way the market will produce that product is if I demanded it.

>>92528672

Not to go all historical on your ass , but that's kinda how it's always been. Go read some old issues , for all its silver age fuckery DC handled socio political topics with nuance. Now read Marvel from 60s. It's the definition of cringe. That's how on the nose Marvel was and still is.

>>92531252
the literal definition of an opinion is "a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge."
no matter how dumb an opinion can never be right or wrong

>>92531255
No, it's not inevitable. We can discuss the industry without derailing. You just can't control yourself.

>>92531252
So you're still missing the point. Jesus you're stupid

>>92531251
>>92530518
>Your rights don't include what fiction will be created
>>92530669
>Actually as a consumer I have that right

>>92531299
O'Neil's Green Arrow/Green Lantern is pretty cringe desu

>>92531252
What's incorrect about my opinion then?

>>92529356
I fucking love Supergirl, but I just couldn't do this book.

How's Superwoman?

>>92531298
You can demand it, but you're not being wronged if you don't get it. If you're not being wronged (=having one of your rights violated) by not get it, then you don't have a right to get it.

>>92531314
He's saying the consumer has the right to demand what they want. And I don't see how you can argue that.

>>92531337
One of the worst books DC's publishing. They're replacing the writer but at this point I can't even be bothered to care.

>>92531295
You're in a thread discussing a political and social movements influence in comics. Don't play ignorant of what that entails and don't whine like an idiot when it inevitably comes up.

>>92531299
This isn't really true. Both of them were very cringey until about the 70s/80s then Marvel regressed around the late 90s/early 00s while DC stayed somewhat mature.

>>92531337
Superwoman was very erratic/messy under Jimenez. I haven't checked out the Perkins issues but if you're going to read it I'd suggest starting there.

>>92529770
>edgy new 52 Supergirl
Someone doesn't understand character arc.

>>92531306
>talk about a political movements influence in an industry

>politics should show up

This is like saying you should be able to go to mexico and not have to meet mexicans

>>92531383
No it's like saying I can talk about the quality of McDonalds burgers without getting into a minimum wage legislation debate.

You should be able to focus on one thing.

>>92531357
No, we're discussing how DC are better at appealing to those types with well written stories than Marvel. Trump or the travel ban has nothing to do with DC being better storytellers than Marvel, so fuck off.

>>92531375
He probably thinks CW Supergirl is edgy too. And the current book for that matter, since both of them have her being angry at her loss.

>>92531353
Demanding what you want=/=deciding what fiction will be created.

You can demand all you want, but it's fine if you're ignored though.

>>92531353

Because if the producer isn't creating what the consumer wants then he isn't a consumer to them.

Send McDonalds an email and tell them that as a consumer you demand they start selling dog food. See how far you get

>>92531394
Except its not about talking about McDonald's burgers but talking about how the workers are lazy pieces of shit and then pay comes up

You're in a thread talking about how a political and social movements impact in comics and getting upset when political talk gets involved when discontent with said movement is largely political to start.

>>92530029
>Hey kids, you wanna read Black Panther? Well FUCK YOU here's a BLM book where every black character is friends with each other

Brought to you by the same writer who thinks white Americans should pay reparations for slavery to black Americans.

>>92531399
Marvel spoke on Trump, he's inevitably tied to it, like it or not. You can put your head in the sand and cry all you want but it won't change reality. Like I said, don't make a thread on subject mired in politics if you don't want political discussion

>>92531423
Why would they be ignoring the demands of their customers if not for racism?

>>92531472
They should tho.

>>92531503

They wouldn't. The issue here isn't that someone is demanding it, the issue is that almost no one is demanding it. At the core of it all Marvel and DC are companies and will always fall back on the basics of Supply and Demand. If there was a large enough demand for minority characters regardless of quality of content then that would be reflected in the consumers demand for it in which Supply would increase.

>>92531464
There is still a difference between an observational discussion about a company and a personal debate about politics. You can still discuss McDonalds labor practices without debating your own personal opinions. It makes no sense to derail into what you or the other guy personally believes instead of discussing McDonalds.

By your logic every cartoon thread should derail into discussion about the FCC since they interfere with what content can be aired, but that doesn't happen because no one gives a shit about the FCC. It's about discussing the content of the shows. Stay on topic and talk about Marvel and DC or fuck off.

>>92531559
Thank you. Now watch these geeks try to find another excuse to continue their shitposting.

When is the last time Marvel really cleaned house editorially? DC did it when they moved to California and it seems to have really helped.

>>92531559
Except that outside influence is what leads to the topic in the first place but you want to get upset when someone brings it up and you want to keep controlling the platform when you clearly can't and shouldn't

You're like that autistic child who gets upset about how a conversation talking about ninja turtles getting upset when it became conversation about ninjas in general

>>92531503
>>92531554
Because they could value creating what they feel like more than avoiding the risk of alienating a percentage of potential customers.
Because they didn't notice.
Because they wanted to focus to a different audience.
Because they couldn't think of good way to work in that direction.

Nothing of those is malicious.

>>92531620
Marvel laid off a bunch of people in 2011 and that was a huge mistake because they didn't decrease the number of books they were publishing, increasing the workload of the remaining employees. It took a few years for Marvel and DC to switch places in terms of quality though.

>>92531641
Now please explain how DC having better writers than Marvel has anything to do with your opinions on Trump, or the "salty libs."

>>92531650

Not sure why I got quoted in that. I was agreeing with you that a company that thrives off of a creative medium suffers when it feels obligated to appeal to minorities in fear of offending someone for lack of appealing to minorities.

>>92531679
Marvel has let their childish views on Trump control their content to a degree to appeal to SJWs. Did I trigger you?

>>92531554
>the issue is that almost no one is demanding it.
Well that's where you're wrong.

>>92531697
I think you agreed that the only reason someone would ignore the demands of their customers for more diversity would be racism. You said that we don't have a case of racism now, because there actually aren't enough such demands, but my point is that even if there were, we don't necessarily have racism.

>>92531720
>Did I trigger you?
No, but I'm still looking for an answer as to how you think your opinions on Trump are relevant to this thread. I know my opinions on him aren't relevant itt, that's why I'm mainly discussing DC/Marvel.

>>92531650
None of these exclude racism, the fact that default character standard is usually a white guy and you can have an all white cast in a new york setting indicates that you just ignore minorities.

>That election meltdown on twitter of the Marvel writers
>Some even shared suicide hotline numbers

>>92531736

Well if someone on the internet said it it must be true.

>>92531820
No, no, faggot. If you claim malicious intent (in this example racism) you have to prove that it was in fact racism. It's not the other person's job to prove it's 100% sure there wasn't racism, it's your job to prove 100% that it was. I gave you examples of possible explanations that can, in some cases, not be due to racism. That's enough for my point.

>>92531736
Literal demands vs market demand I guess. People signal boosting on social media does not mean they'll actually buy something. The sales numbers in all venues prove that there is no demand for that kind of thing unless it gains notoriety for being well written. Yeah people don't want to find a LCS to get floppies, but they fucking love Amazon.com so that's no excuse.

>>92531841
If only most of them had simply followed through...

>>92531841
DC had people like Khouri melting down a little too but that didn't stop him from doing his fucking job and hiring 10/10 porn artists for Green Arrow and Aquaman.

How you act on Twitter actually has very little to do with professional output.

>>92531899
>How you act on Twitter actually has very little to do with professional output.

When it comes to Marvel's writers there's no difference between their twitters and the comic writing. When I read Champions I don't hear those characters, only Waid's personal political soapbox.

>>92531855
>you claim malicious intent (in this example racism)
Racism doesn't have to be actively malicious,it can be passive. At some point in the act of writing there wass a binary choice in where they ask themselves is this character gonna be white or not white? Looking at superhero comics today it's evident more often than not that they chose white.
>and that's racist

>>92531959
This kind of argument doesn't persuade anyone except self-flagellating whites.

>>92531959

So making a white character is an act of passive racism?

>>92531959
Racism has become a dirty/trigger word to some for whatever reason. People can't contextualize normal acts from actual violence.

When DC editors told Shooter he couldn't make Ferro Lad black because it would hurt sales in the South it was racist but they weren't being evil.

Didn't it not work and that's why they did Rebirth?

>>92531959
Anon, by your logic, creating more comics of a white superhero because he just happens to be your favourite is racist because it contributes to the inballance of white/non-white in favour to white.
But if creating more comics of your fave can be racist, even without any malice is racist, then it's okay to be racist and racism becomes an acceptable feeling.

You are justified in prioritising what you personally find fun in creating fiction. If a justified action is racist, then dun-dun-dun, racism is justified. You might want to reconsider.

>>92532029
Racism is just a buzzword liberals throw around when they can't make coherent arguments

>>92531991
Than why is the ratio so skewed to a vast white majority? Both Marvel and DC superheroes are set in America, Marvel is set in new york city. So what is the reason here?

>>92531955
Marvel's writers like Waid and Spencer on twitter they are behaving like assholes. No professionalism at all. The DC's writers are way more professional.

>>92532061
Whites are cooler, we did more impressive stuff through the ages, when people think of superpowered folks, they think of us.

>>92532038
No, DCYou wasn't particularly SJW. The problem was that many of the main books were actively awful (JLA, WW, Flash) or flawed (GL, Superbooks) and couldn't carry sales for the small ones. Wasn't really about politics. They even gave Black Canary her fishnets back which is the opposite of SJW (ironically it is feminist though).

>>92532061

Because it's representative of an actual demographic? You do realise that whites are a majority yes?

>>92532015
I think forced diversity is another way of saying there goes the neighborhood.
>wha-
I'm saying that maybe the problem lies more in the court of the comic book fans who think 2 black characters is one black character too many.

>>92532115
Do you only see white people in new york?

>>92532061
People write what they know and what they're familiar with.
When they try to do something that's not that, they often fail unless they're passionate enough to do research and get some sort of co-writer/script doctor/beta reader. For example, guys like McDuffie and Priest didn't like 70s Cage at all. Archie Goodwin was a swell guy, but his idea of what a working class black guy from New York talks and acts was nothing like reality.

>>92532061
>>92532115
I think ideally you should be like Grant Morrison who just naturally makes a shitload of characters who are all different without having an agenda.

But most people are just too pleb.

>>92532015
I'm saying white shouldn't be considered the default setting and that black people are not exotic aliens.

>>92532168
I know quite a few sjws ree about his shameless use of national stereotypes with his OCs.

>>92532149

Do you not see White people in New York?

>>92532168
I fucking love the great ten and Super young team.

>>92532207
There's no "default", it's just what people like more to create. People find white characters cooler.

>>92532207

Well let's be fair here. We're talking about a medium that's using legacy heroes from a time when Blacks and Asians were considered rare and exotic. I'm sure if you looked up characters that were created in the last few years next to none of them would be white.

>>92532207
You'll have to stick to black writers then. Most of them don't seem interested in writing for Marvel or DC though.

>>92532226
I do but I also see black people and that's cause new york is not all white people.

>>92532224
Some people just like being offended.

>>92532259
This mentality is why Priest quit the big 2. You do not need creators to only write characters of the same race.

>>92532263

Neither is DC or Marvels line up.

>>92532207
They're less than 13% of the population but somehow end up represented in over half of media

>>92528970
reason #142892 why DC always has better writers than Marvel Comics.

>>92532254
>I'm sure if you looked up characters that were created in the last few years next to none of them would be white.
We've also seen people getting incredibly angry and confused over these new characters, frequently calling them forced diversity and sjw-pandering.

>>92532284
13 % is still a huge fucking percentage.

>>92532278
It's unnecessary to force a black guy to specifically write black characters, but demanding this kind of stuff from middle-class white guys gets you Sweet Christmas Luke Cage or Teenage Ninja Negro Thrashers.

>>92532306

Yes there has been outrage over some characters who appeared in media for the sole purpose to add diversity to a book that didn't require it.

Now that we've finally gotten to the initial question asked in the OP do you have anything to actually say about it or is it racist to want a character written well?

>>92530444
>>
Harley Quinn has always been bi or atleast hinted at it since the animated series. they just confirmed it. Also the non-white GL started with Stewart so its not new.

>>92530724

i kinda wish 4chan would have embraced Bor as /ourguy/ instead of going after margarine bennet.

>>92532168
>without having an agenda.

he was to busy copying gaiman and moore to bother with hiding an agenda

>>92532406
>white means well written

>>92532993

>Ethnic means well written

>>92530780
For a second I thought you were talking about the page in "love is love" where Deathstroke swore off guns because of the Orlando pulse shooting.

>>92529789
said no one

>>92528672
>There's a lot of DC praising but can we talk about how they saw a market for tumblr/sjw readers and actually made it work?
DCYou was a failure

>>92531224
my man!

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>>92529898
>That's because, while DC has a little line about misogyny and social issues every once in a while,they never went full retard And had their characters say A BUNCH OF MISOGYNYSTIC FILTH.

You DCucks seem to have short memory spans. It seems like you don't want to bring up the years before Rebirth where DC was on everyone's shit list.

>>92533253
DCYou had nothing to do with tumblr or sjws. Why do people push this narrative? It was about diversity of genre and promoting creative teams.

>>92533300
Instead of shitposting you could literally read the next line where he addresses the very page you posted

>>92533300

>very next sentence that you left out green texts references the mansplaining lasso

Got any other instances?

>>92530150
>And then they wonder how he won
People didnt go out to vote since less than half the country voted for him.

>>92529898
>DC on the other hand found a girl/tumblr market
They didn't find a market they just stopped catering to an audience that don't read comics and went full pandering with Rebirth as an "apology" for Nu52.

>>92530444
>Story of a chinese Super-Man created to make China independent is interesting. Story of Harley Quinn in relationship with Poison Ivy is interesting. Green Arrow has always been about social issues anyway.
None of those stories aren't interesting in fact most people hate Harley's relationship with Ivy because its just fanservice than anything meaningful.

>>92533302
What do you expect from rebirthfags? They started reading comics since rebirth and take everything from plebbit as fact.

>>92533512
I just expect people to remember comics that were out less than 5 years ago. It is not too much to ask.

>>92531399
>No, we're discussing how DC are better at appealing to those types with well written stories than Marvel.
Except they're not. They stopped appealing to them when they realize trades weren't selling and went craeling back to fanboys also the stories themselves weren't good

>>92532096
>DCYou wasn't particularly SJW
I love this meme

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>>92532083
>The DC's writers are way more professional.

>>92533302
>DCYou had nothing to do with tumblr or sjws
>It was about diversity of genre

>>92533665
>>92533710
If DCyou was SJW, does it mean that SJWs have better taste than rebirthfags?

>>92533665
Please tell me what books were SJW. Starfire and Poison Ivy being lewd every issue of
their series? Black Canary where she got her classic look back? Every fetish fuel Harley spinoff? Gordon as Batman? Hal Jordan being a hobo?

The absolute most SJW thing was Wonder Woman's costume redesign, but like 75% of characters got a shittier costume and she still had another book (JL) where she didn't look like shit.

>>92533710
SJWs don't want genre diversity. They only care about perfect non-white characters in slice of life stories where there are no challenges and no one is mean to each other without getting immediately called out.

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>>92533792
>Please tell me what books were SJW

>>92528701
He means they're using their comics to contain the SJWs so they can be free of them in the movie department

>>92533828
>white male
>SJW

SJWs also generally hate Middy for being a bad example and they used it as more evidence of DC hating gay marriage since he was single.

>>92532096
>>92533302
>>92533790
>>92533792
>DCYou wasn't SJW

http://www.theouthousers.com/forum/the-news-stand/promotes-its-you-campaign-with-flippant-remarks-twitter-about-diversity-t108562-30.html

>>92533913
Thank you for proving my point. DC mentioned diversity of genre and SJWs complain that it wasn't transparent gimmicky diversity that they can earn brownie points for.

>>92533828
>>92533913
>Nice shitposting
Also
>checking outhousers

>>92528672
cause they write most of their women with flaws and don't make them always right about everything

>>92533828

Hey that book was badass though , leave it alone. Black Canary is a better example

>>92533903
>its not SJW because he's white
Do any of you retards know what SJW is?

>>92534094
They hate white males above all else, even gay ones.

>>92530316
ANAD Avengers was, from what I can tell, the first time Kamala was written purely as a mouthpiece instead of a character. A trend which has carried over into Champions and Secret Warriors.
Did Waid and other writers not even bother to read the few issues Kamala had? She's just a preachy asshole now and it sucks because she used to be a decent character.
Is her ongoing still good? I stopped reading after Civil War 2

>>92534064
Even BC wasn't very SJW. She got a sexualized costume back and acted like an actual adult. Her book was mostly boring, but there weren't identity politics or anything in it.

>>92529513
Opposite for me. Being Super is good. The ongoing is a bag of dicks.

That's because the girls here can't really do any damage. Batgirl is just some gal in a suit, it's not like she can stand with the heavy hitters.

Marvel has powerful female characters they tried to push. it creates an entirely different dynamic. That said, DC isn't afraid to sexualize their females if the plot calls for it.

>>92529492

To be fair she gets shoved in to nightwing quite a bit

>>92534124
>Is her ongoing still good?
not really

>>92534336
>That's because the girls here can't really do any damage

>what is ww, sw, pw

>>92534876
it was like 3 issues and we're at 20 now

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>>92533300
>This was a digital only comic
>From 2 years ago
>From a writer who got fired
>People still use this as shitposting evidence
>This just proves that they don't keep up with comics and just post the same cherrypicked bull crap they can find
I never saw anyone post a Whor page that wasn't the one with Titania or a page from Steve Rogers past the first issue

>>92528672
There was a minimal one with Green Arrow calling himself a SJW but even the r/Kotakuinaction realized that he was always a liberal to begin with

>>92529552
>the ugly hip costume is bound to die in a few year when her book is canceled
it's literally the only good thing about the book

>>92534876
With an ass like his, how could she not?

>>92535067
You should be glad no one can be bothered to hate-read past the first few issues.
Bad news for Marvel though, they used to depend on hate-buys. Now people can't even be bothered to hate-pirate.

>>92535119
Yeah, that's not a problem at all, Ollie going full SJW is just him being in-character. Plus, remember, he's a billionaire, so it's deeply ironic for him to be saying things like "Check your privilege!"

>>92529893
>He's not THE Superman and they're not trying to make him it. Even his personality is different than your typical Superman

He HAS a personality. Most of Marvel's legacy characters barely do because they're absent any meaningful flaws.

>>92533790
>rebirthfags
keep crying bitch tears for your superbro

>>92535207
>Bad news for Marvel though, they used to depend on hate-buys. Now people can't even be bothered to hate-pirate.
Someone tweet this to Brapvoort

>>92535207
>>92535067

that wasnt even the from whor comic, but from waid's avengers

>>92533913
Bruh, that's the Outhousers. They just reset their "DC did something retarded" clock because all of the DC Metal creative teams are made up of men.
They previously reset the clock when DC cancelled the Legend of Wonder Woman digital series second season, and never changed it when it came out that the creative team had been badmouthing other people at DC (and scamming Kickstarters)

>>92535411
>Waid
OF FUCKING COURSE

>>92535214
The fact the he's rich while being a leftist just makes him a hypocrite

>>92535411
"Titania gives up because muh girl power" was definitely Aaron's. Waid just had her make out with Sam.

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>>92528970
???

>>92535473
In Veitch's Brat Pack, the Ollie stand-in is also an arms dealer just to make the point harder

>>92535529
>Digital only
>almost 3 years old
Post something relevant next time

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I like how dcbabbies think that if something is not from this year, it doesnt count. Must be fun repeating that mantra to yourself every time the sjw matter comes out.

>>92535691
it doesn't count if it's no longer part of continuity
also apply yourself harder

>>92535691
DC fans are just smart enough to understand context.

>>92535939
Man, Rebirth's marketing really worked, didn't it?

>>92535522
That was just a dirty marketing gimmick. They got their headlines with femThor kissing Sam and sales are still in the fucking toilet. And we're talking of the Avengers here.

>>92536325
>And we're talking of the Avengers here.

more proof you kids know nothing about marvel
Avengers was never a big deal in marvel publications until new avengers. And the it waned fast until Dark Avengers, if you can call that an "avengers" book.

Its not like DC's JL. THE marvel team book was whatever mutie book was more popular until after house of M in 2006 (when new avengers poped up)

>>92536480
Yeah, the days of best-selling Avengers were over once they decided to backpedal on "What if the Avengers were all the A-listers plus Bendis's favorites (minus Daredevil)?"

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The SJW audience is a cancer
They got offended by the upcoming Nightwing Elseworld by Kyle Higins that'll obviously have Dick regret his actions as a fascist
Even after they found out it was an Elseworld, they still got offended because to them "Romanis can't be fascists"

>>92530592
Don't you have a dozen of cats to feed fattie?

>>92533135
Wasn't that page done by a comedian who doesn't even work for DC?

>>92536751
Dick isn't even culturally Romani, no one in the US is, which is why there's a lot of confusion about the deal with Romani people and the Europeans who (justifiably) hate them.

>>92536751
I feel like your overall point is true, but Dickfags merely use SJW logic for their husbando purposes. They're really saying NOT MUH here, like when they tried to claim Grayson was problematic just because he wasn't Nightwing interacting with the Batfamily all the time.

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>>92536806
Yeah, that was Taran Killam, former SNL cast member who is married to MCU Maria Hill.

The Priestroke issue had a very different solution to Chicago's gun problems

>>92536947
It's actually interesting hearing Americans talk about gypsies. They often have this romanticized view of them traveling the country, partying with everyone, wearing colorful fine clothes, exotic accents etc. I'm Romanian and I'd pay to have a bunch of these sjw idiots walk through a gypsy ghetto.

>>92537060
>instead of being a main artist on Deathstroke, Cowan will be drawing a shitty Star Wars comic while Priest will be stuck with mediocre bottom of the barrel artists
Terrible year for comics tbqh

>>92537095
>They often have this romanticized view of them

that describes your typical liberal's view of evebody

>>92537042
>People fucking compared it to Hydra Cap

>>92536751
I don't know about people getting "offended" but it's a shitty plot written by a shitty writer.

I don't think that Gotham Academy necessarily counts as SJW? I think it just have a diverse cast, but I dunno (fuck if I know what ethnicity Olive is)

>>92537419
cast diversity doesnt make it sjw unless whatever the book is about revolves around the fact that the cast is diverse (like in marvels America)

same way you had marvel's runaways being very diverse but in no way considered sjw

>>92537468
And that's why I'll just be happy reading my tiny book for teens in the corner while Green Arrow gets younger & gruffer by the second...