>hypercrisis isn't rea-

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>Before Watchmen

Will they be showing Manhattan's penis in Rebirth? (the first nudity in DC comics in decades)

>>92522862
Why u wanna see dicks?

Oh so now they're retconning shit from the original book? It's not like this is badly written but in the name of artistic integrity fuck you DC. I like everything they're doing right now except this. Damn.

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>>92522895

>>92522895
I don't wanna see dicks. I wanna see DC show dicks. Slightly different.

>>92523242
Ha! You.Wanna.See.Dicks.

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>>92522835

Anyone who doubts it is just being contrarian.

>>92522835
What does that have to do with hypercrisis?

>>92522920
Before Watchmen isn't canon and came out years ago

>>92523079
Cute

>>92522920
Calm down lmao

>>92523314
Oh ok i was worried this was that new thing

Still super skeptical though

>>92522835
This really makes you realize that they never should have let anyone else draw characters from Watchmen.

>>92523277
>Ha! Pretending.To.Be.Retarded.

I'll humor you all the same. Putting a penis in print would represent a precedent for what you can actually get away with in a mainstream western comic. I almost guarantee that it won't happen though, and penises are milquetoast in this context. Showing a meaty cunt would be a bolder move.

November 1st was the last date in Rorschach's journal.
Doomsday Clock will start in November.
November 1st is a Wednesday.
Watchmen was 12 issues.
Doomsday Clock if 12 issues and bimonthly will end on April 18th, a Wednesday.
Action Comics #1 was released on April 18th.
Next April 18th will be the 80th anniversary of Action Comics #1.
If Action Comics gets a delay, Action Comics #1000 will also release the same day, the 80th anniversary,
November 1st 1952 was the day of the first Hydrogen Bomb explosion.
It moved the Doomsday Clock to 2 to midnight.
Hydrogen is the symbol of Dr. Manhattan.

>>92522835
>Pure Energy
And shills claim that Before Watchmen: Dr. Manhattan is somehow any less garbage than the others.

>>92523660
and of course Johns already pointed out Doomsday Clock can be abbreviated with DC

>>92523660
B
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JOHNS

>>92522835
so i'm from the "& Cartoons" side of this board. would anyone mind explaining what hypercrisis is to me?

>>92523795
There's like 3 types of hypercrisis.
People putting together all of DC's continuity and mapping out the timeline and cosmology.
Pattern recognition, numerology and symbolism repeated DC.
/x/-style occultism about reality and magic and fiction's role.

There's also overlap sometimes.

>>92523795
It's basically a paranoid delusion that the comics we read are sentient and out to get us, due in no small part to Grant Morrison's many years spent weaving a hyper-sigil through his various works in an attempt to super-impose fiction into reality.

>>92523795
>>92523884
And to elaborate a bit. >>92523891 Here is posting along the third type and >>92523660 is posting along the second type I mentioned.

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>>92523795

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>>92523969
more succinctly

>>92523891
>It's basically a paranoid delusion that the comics we read are sentient and out to get us, due in no small part to Grant Morrison's many years spent weaving a hyper-sigil through his various works in an attempt to super-impose fiction into reality.
Not that they're out to get us, just that they influence our world.

>>92522835
Centipedes don't speak English.

>>92524017
They may not be out to get you, but they sure as fuck are out to get me. I should never have ripped up my brother's copy of X-men #1 25 years ago.

>>92523795
DC's Monomyth along with weird rumors of Comics becoming real when weird shit happens in the real world.

Like the Adam West Batvillain escape of El Chapo. Or a river turning orange because of a toxic waste spill.

>>92522920
>>92523347

flipping out about a comic he should know about if he really is this passionate about watchmen. He's both retarded and a poser.

WTF? I'm reading these replies because I've never really looked into Hypercrisis, but it makes DC Comics fans sound like paranoid schizophrenics. You guys know they're just comic books, right?

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>>92524307
>they're just comic books

this is why no one likes cartoon /co/

>>92524307
And your cartoon waifu is just a picture.

>>92524370
Right? Like, as opposed to arguing about waifus in childrens' cartoons?

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This page about made me shit myself. When was the last time a DC comic explicitly referenced Hypercrisis/Hypertime?

>>92524307
>DC Comics fans
Ah, see, you're not looking at the true scope of this. Yes, much of this is born from DC comics and most of the discussion regarding the hypercrisis centers around it as a result, but you're not taking the Extended Authorial/Methodological Hypercrisis into account. The hypercrisis goes well beyond any one publisher or one fictional (but aren't they all?) multiverse.

Have you ever been into a Heathcliff thread? There's hidden meaning in all things. You just need to know how to look.

>>92524466
It's not unheard of for them to mention hypertime.

>>92524466
>hypernoun
It's silly if you over-use it.

>>92522862

He's going to be wearing Supermans trunks or his own black ones.

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>>92524307

>>92524466
Hypercrisis and hypertime aren't really the same thing. Related, sure, but not the same. Hypertime as a concept, even if not explicitly stated, is pretty common for Flash comics. That's where it originated afterall, in Waid's Flash run. When was the last time the word "hypertime" was actually spelled out on the page though? Not sure.

>>92524502
>He's going to be wearing Supermans trunks
This would be perfect. Truly perfect.

>>92522835
You know I was wondering if there were any ties between Before Watchmen and Rebirth.

Not enough to actually read BW mind you, but it was a thought I had.

>>92524466
Hypertime was last shown in Vibe iirc. I might have missed it something else though.

My favorite hypercrisis reference is from Jim Lee:

http://www.cbr.com/didio-lee-say-early-rebirth-response-is-uncharted-territory-for-dc-comics/

>If you look at “Crisis on Infinite Earths” to even New 52, they’re all attempts to do some bookkeeping, and tighten up everything. But then you saw the mythology itself almost has its own sentience and will to define itself, because it’s stories are kept in all our heads, and expressed through our creativity and the work that we do. In a way, it has spoken and said, “No, there must be multiple versions.”

>>92522854
Hah, I get it.

>>92524502
>>92524554
I think the Superman trunks doesn't really work now that we've seen Superbrodad did wear them in-continuity and just has a costume with a different design now. It only would have been cool to me if they were omitted entirely until the Manhattan confrontation.

>>92524490
>Heathcliff
So you mean Hypercrisis is everywhere, in all kinds of media? Not just DC? Am I part of the process? What's the endgame?

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>>92524654
>What's the endgame?

>>92524654
>What's the endgame?
"Endgame?" Nothing ends, anon. Nothing ever ends.

>>92524654
The endgame is you realizing you are fictional.

>>92524654
Man, creating god in his own image. The mind made reality. We are not merely chemicals and signals and patterns, we are stories unto ourselves, and each night when we dream, each second we imagine, we become our own gods.

>>92523660
52 upvotes for you!

>>92524559
Hypertime was last mentioned in the Multiversity, early 2015

As for that Dan interview, I was just talking with a cousin about this. Crisis and reboots just don't work, the company is so old and the stories so vast that at this point every attempt at starting from zero is destined to be a point in the tapestry in a few years.

Rebirth got it right: Go with the flow, acknowledge the vast history and celebrate the diversity, but at the same time start with simple stories so that new readers can jump in and then look back and start digging deeper.

>>92524690
Anon? Wait! What did you mean by this?

>>92523660
>9252
>252
>52

HYPERCRISIS IS REAL

>>92524654
The endgame is when you die and find out what the sequel is.

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Is hyper crisis any different from meme magic?

>>92524883
>tfw death is just you getting rebooted to live your life all over again but just slight cosmetic differences

>>92524921
Meme magic is basically just sigiling, with possibly less jerking off

>>92524921
Yeah, people who buy into the Hypercrisis shit don't constantly and annoyingly insist that they're changing the world. They're just seeing it happen.

>>92524370
>>92524398
I'm comics /co/, I'm just relatively new to comics.

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>>92524921
Hypercrisis is "All of that stupid, contradictory shit we've been churning out for the last 60 years was all part of some masterful idea that can't be completely explained."

Wally West being black, then it's just Wally West's black "cousin" Wally West? Hypercrisis.

>>92523296
>52
well fuck

>>92524921
One can influence or take part of the hypercrisis through meme magic. All the beings of the multiverse manifest as memes in our world.

>>92525017
No the hypercrisis tie there is actually a reflection in how Hal also has a cousin with his name who is a superhero.

>>92525047
Full context (in case you didn't know): that's from the story that introduced the concept of the multiverse.

My understanding of the D.C. Hypercrisis is that Darkseid used the Anti-Life Equation, then Batman used a gun, Darkseid Omega'd him into history, and now everything's grimdark because D.C. Is infected with Anti-life.

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>>92524307
>>92524370
>>92524398
>>92524436
>comic book fans are reminded that there stories are fiction and not a turbo metaphysical conspiracy that influences the fabric of our reality
>"Fuck off waifufags!"

This is why we have a bad wrap.He didn't even fucking mention waifus and you guys lashed out like autists.

>>92525073
Oh, I know all right, I'm just looking at that street address.

>>92525092
I didn't mention waifus either

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>>92522835

>>92523660
> November 1 is my birthday
> I was born on a Wednesday

ok then

>>92523660
November is the eleventh month. 11+1=12.

>>92525073
Fuck I forgot air wave was a thing

>>92525176
>52
>LARRY ALLEN
What could it mean??

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsKz1FBPTxc
Fuck, I love Hypercrisis threads.

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>7 days of the week
>7 planets of classical astrology
>7 chakras
>7 archangels
>7 virtues

There's 7 founding JL members. What are your theories and can you match each member?

>>92522835

but Ozy DID do something

>>92525176
>>92525596

>wally gif
>everyone dick sucks barry

so it goes

>>92525831
The Sun is Superman.
Mercury is Flash.
Venus is Wonder Woman.
Earth is us the hidden 8th part.
Mars is Manhunter.
Jupiter is Batman.
Saturn is Green Lantern.
Neptune is Aquaman

>>92524797
Now that I think about it. What was shown during the minute 52 of Suicide Squad? We know that the minute 52 of BvS is Batman seeing the Omega symbol.

>>92525891
Maybe Wally helped break the Source Wall for Barry to return from the Speed Force?

>>92525831
>Sunday
Superman
>Monday
Aquaman
>Tuesday
Martian Manhunter
>Wednesday
Flash
>Thursday
Wonder Woman
>Friday
Batman
>Saturday
Green Lantern

>>92525618
"Check 'em!"

>>92526005
I don't follow your reasoning.

>>92525959
>Jupiter is Batman.
What?

>>92526005
>>Thursday
>Wonder Woman
>>Friday
>Batman

Superman is the sun/Sunday
Batman the moon/Monday
Flash is Mercury/Wednesday
Wonder Woman Venus/Friday
Green Lantern is Mars/Tuesday
Aquaman Jupiter/Thursday
Martian Manhunter is Saturn/Saturday

>>92526086
Isn't Jupiter the biggest planet?
Honestly after matching everyone else those were just the two left over.

>>92524307
Read the Principia Discordia and get back to me.

>>92526086
How is the Martian not Mars and the guy with the ring not the ringed planet?

>>92522862
3d Lenticular blue penis cover $3.99

>>92522862
I personally highly doubt it.

>>92522862
How fucking funny would it have been if instead of his hand being revealed last week, it was his dick drooping down to touch the button instead?

>>92526135
>How is the Martian not Mars
Not that anon, but the character is called Martian Manhunter. So that's who anon was talking about.

And the guy with the ring is Green Lantern.

>>92526187
Are you drunk? Of course I was referring to Martian Manhunter when I said the Martian and Green Lantern when I said the guy with the ring. Who the fuck did you think I was talking about? You are possibly the stupidest person here.

>>92525831
>Supes: Humility. Focused primarily on helping others. Sunday, the day of the sun.
>Bats: Temperance. Self-control. Wednesday, as in Odin, god of wisdom and knowing many secrets.
>Flash: Patience. Ironic. Thursday, as in Thor, the lightning god.
>Wondy: Chastity. Friday, as in Frigga, who begged for protection and then forgiveness for her fallen son. Also the Goddess of the Earth.
>Hal: Diligence. Willpower. Saturday.
>Aqua: Charity. Tuesday, as in Tyr, willing to sacrifice an arm in order to protect his home, and a great warrior in his own right.
>J'onn: Kindness. Monday, as in the moon, Earth's closest celestial body as J'onn is Earth's closest alien.

>>92526233
No, I just somehow misread >>92526135 as responding to >>92525959 and thought you were someone else who didn't realize that "Mars is Manhunter" and "Saturn is Green Lantern" referred exactly to the Martian and the guy with a ring.

My bad.

>>92523998
Why did you go out of your way to delegitimize it? That image explained every facet of it perfectly and then you just shitposted all over it.

>>92526086
The moon isn't a planet. Also why does Batman as Zeus/Jupiter confuse you?

>>92523969
>>92523891
>weaving a hyper-sigil through his various works in an attempt to super-impose fiction into reality.

Can someone explain to a comic newbie what Morrison did that started all this? How were his stories "connected" differently than other comics? What was it that people saw in those connections that made them go so far as to propose a sentience? I need more info, please. Maybe cite me runs to read to help me understand it. I think hypercrisis is more important than anyone realizes.

>>92526135
>>92526187
Anons, you are all focusing on the surface details. Look a little deeper and you'll realize just because Martian Manhunter is from Mars doesn't make him the best representation of Mars.

Mars is a alpha male charged planet, a passionate lover and a warrior. Mars is associated with fire and will power...Now do any of those qualities sound like J'onzz? No but it does for Hal.

Hal is reckless, always charging headfirst into battle. His power comes from his will, his constructs are willed into existence.

Fire is also not only associated with destruction but creativity as well, fire helped create metal tools much like how Hal channeled the lantern battery of Oa to create countless of tools to help him fight evil. Green Lantern is seen covered in a bright green flame. There's also the fact that Hal is also a ladies men.

I wish I could cause you people physical pain. People who look for meaning when there is none disgust me.

>>92526368
This may help: http://journal.transformativeworks.org/index.php/twc/article/view/442/397

>>92526384
>People who look for meaning when there is none disgust me.
All people do that literally every waking instant of their existence.

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Is this relevant to hypercrisis? The color forces of the DCU? What is the Cursed Wheel?

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>>92526409

>>92526343
The fact that Zeus is a sky god and fits Superman more than a man who dresses up as a Earthly creature.

Batman is Saturn, the grim and dark cloaked figure who hunts the mortal world like Father Time or the Grim Reaper.

Saturn is astrology is seen as the planet of misfortune but it also shows in birth charts to mean overcoming great obstacles. Batman is all about surviving death traps and using negative events or thoughts to do great things.

Jupiter (Superman) vs Saturn (Batman)

>>92526248
Pretty good anon!

>>92526461
Well now you are just contradicting yourself cause you said Batman is the moon not Saturn.

>>92524307
Another cartoonfag here, fuck off dude

>>92526501
They're Zeus and Saturn using sun and moon motifs.

The problem is since the every character can fit into any planet depending on the person's interpretation and on a specific writer, its pretty hard to pinpoint just one planet or theme. Add to the fact the a person has influence from all 7 planets.

Green Lantern could easily be the Sun or Venus, Aquaman the moon and Wonder Woman feminine version of Mars.

>>92523314
Gibbons has no real say in what is or isn't canon tho, neither does Moore. Sure they can say it's not part of their creation but DC still owns it, if they say it's canon it is.

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>>92526343
Man anon, you might need to explain this one for me...

>>92526409
>>92526421
So what do the colors mean? Does it say or explain it later on?

Is it tied to color spectrum of the lanterns? Dick as hope and Damien as will makes sense. Babs would be love or compassion? I think its safe to assume that Jason is red and rage fits well as his emotion.

>>92526667
Outside of that page in a backup story of All Star Batman it is never mentioned.

>>92526667
>Is it tied to color spectrum of the lanterns?
I believe so. Colors aren't just colors in DC, they are actual forces, like the speedforce. Wearing a color in the DCU means a lot about you. It's kind of like an aura.

>>92525831
>Root chakra
Batman
>Sacral chakra
Aquaman
>Solar Plexus
GL
>Heart chakra
Wonder Woman
>Throat chakra
Flash
>3rd eye chakra
MM
>Crown chakra
Superman

>>92526343
>why does Batman as Zeus/Jupiter confuse you?
Because it's clearly Superman.

>>92526726
>Wearing a color in the DCU means a lot about you. It's kind of like an aura.
So Superman wearing blue,red and yellow means he's a hopeful, angry and fear-inspiring hero?

Aquaman's orange and green makes him want to rule the whole ocean and has the will to bring about it?

Batman with his yellow symbol makes sense since he's all about the fear, he was even drafted to Sinestro's Corps.

>>92526789
I don't think it's quite that explicit, but that is kind of exactly what Batman was saying there, though. His yellow symbol in Rebirth is absolutely meant to symbolize Fear, though.

>>92525831
As mentionned in this week's GL, there's also 7 original Lantern Rings. And one of the bearer really looked like a Wonder Woman type

>>92526789
Superman is primarily blue
>hope
>on my planet this is a symbol of hope

Batman and yellow is obvious.

Idgaf about Aquaman so I have no idea.

>>92524183
People that are really passionate about Watchmen have heard of Before Watchmen but have NOT read it, it's believable that he wouldn't recognize a page from it especially now that DC's bringing back Watchmen characters into its stories with The Button.

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>>92524654

>What's the endgame?
Survival.

To be created, published, remembered, and loved/hated is how thoughts survive. When something is completely forgotten, it ceases to exist. It is the essences of memetics: I'm not talking about dank meaymays, though it applies to them as well. Memes are self-sustaining thoughts of any kind - Jokes, Conspiracies, Tragedies, Songs, Stories, Ect. The term was coined by Richard Dawkins as an analogue the Darwinian Evolution for thoughts. Like our genes, memes adapt to survive, and the thoughts most fit for survival thrive. Memes being shared, adapted, and shared again: changing scope, context, audience, and definition along the way. The death of a meme is when it is forgotten and cast aside.

This was the point of Multiversity. The villains of the arch were the "The Gentry" - Cosmic horrors looking to reshape all of existence in their image. They were the stand in's for the editorial mandate, "gentrifying" all of the stories to fit their needs. In the end, they are defeated but the heroes see The Empty Hand - an omnipotent being who allows them all to exist. It's never explicitly stated but my interpretation was that he represented the threat of a book being unread. Without being read and thought about, these fictional characters immaterial beyond the page, would cease to be. The greatest threat to their existence is a reader with no books in his empty hand.

>>92526865
I am the person you described and I knew it was from Before Watchmen simply because it was a page with Manhattan and Ozymandias that I didn't recognize.

>>92524654
>Hypercrisis is everywhere, in all kinds of media? Not just DC? Am I part of the process?

If I am understanding hypercrisis correctly, you could theoretically take it that far, but at that length of reaching you won't find much that's actually useful or concrete. But I would still say, yes, hypercrisis is omnipresent.

>>92526867
Daaaaang anon, thats deep. That is a good take on what the left hand might mean.

>>92524701
Aaaand, that was where hypercrisis became entirely too scary for me. Fuck this thread.

>>92524720
The Logos become flesh. Oh my fucking god man I have full body chills. Hypercrisis is about the meta-god.

>>92524921
No, I don't think so. This is the first I've heard off hypercrisis and it instantly brought my thoughts to the Cult of Kek and how that all came about. Extremely fascinating.

>>92526904
>at that length of reaching you won't find much that's actually useful or concrete
at that length of reaching you reach the realm of omens and soothsaying and the I-ching, aka using a finite set of variables as a Rorschach blot to bypass indecision and realize what you have already decided is the best course of action

>>92526248
Sunday: Still fun, but not as good as Saturday. Have to overcome the fear of what's to come (Monday). Batman.
Monday: Only virgins like it. Martian Manhunter.
Tuesday: The extra energy from sleeping in the weekend was depleted on Monday, so Tuesday is all willpower. Green Lantern.
Wednesday: Almost there, but nobody really cares about it except in relation to the other days. Aquaman.
Thursday: Closer to the weekend but nothing happens usually; bland and boring. Wonder Woman.
Friday: You want it to speed by so you can finally get to the weekend. Flash.
Saturday: Finally, the best day! Relaxation and comfort awaits! Superman.

>>92526991
Dr Manhattan-tier.

>>92526377
>Mars is a alpha male charged planet, a passionate lover and a warrior. Mars is associated with fire and will power...Now do any of those qualities sound like J'onzz? No but it does for Hal.

That sounds more like Wonder Woman. You tricked me!

>>92524921
meme magic is just a more mdern approach to chaos magic
Grant Morrison is a strong adovate for chaos magic, and implements it into his comics to contribute to hypercrisis

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>>92527015
Oh you!

That was a fun and entertaining post anon, good job!

>>92526789
>So Superman wearing blue,red and yellow means he's a hopeful, angry and fear-inspiring hero?

>in BvS he mostly causes hope with small amounts of anger and fear among people
Snyder does it again!

>>92526867
Personally I viewed the Empty Hand as the consumer. As long as the hand remains empty ("see how my hand is empty") the Gentry hold power, as the Gentry exist to placate the Empty Hand. We are the Empty Hand. The consumers. We resurrect the fallen in single-dimensional facsimiles to entertain. The left hand is the one that creates the world, the one that opens the page, that opens the door to the multiverse. But the right hand is the one that closes that door. The Empty Hand can signal destruction as your interpretation of going unread, but it also closes the door to be opened once more. The greatest threat to their existence isn't being readerless, but the content being meaningless and gentrified. The only way to combat the Gentry is to be genuinely passionate and tell engaging stories.

Sorry, that's just my own interpretation.

>>92527062
this. It's all connected. I am sensing a serious awakening? Could something big be on the horizon in the way we think and perceive. It seems like 2017 is the year where abstract concepts are beginning to take on real life.

Imagine a dog watching you use your cellphone. It's not amazed because it doesn't even have the capacity to understand that it should be. We could be interacting with new life in the form of concepts and not even know it. But we are realizing it slowly. We are creating gods in Man's image, not the other way around.

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>>92524654
To create Superman

>>92527101
An equally valid interpretation. Both roads lead to the same end, though- Memedeath. Either through obscurity, or through loss of meaning.

>>92526867
>he represented the threat of a book being unread
I interpreted it as the opposite. The Empty Hand is that which turns the page, while the other hand holds the book.
The Empty Hand is the market demand, the audience who want to keep reading about these characters.
Because ofthe audience's demands, good character are never allowed to retire and live happily ever after. They keep getting dragged back in by popular demand. Their wife and kids get killed to insert some tragedy. Their best friend betrays them to insert some drama. They compromise on all their moral code because that's 'mature writing'.
And this keeps going on and on and on until popular demand dies out.
These keeps going on and on and on until you no longer have a good character people want to read about
The only heroes who are allowed to retire or stay dead are the ones nobody cares about at all, because while a novel or a movie or a more indie comic is allowed to end on a high note, big two capeshit is different. Nothing ever ends.

>>92524921
All this shit started around the same time. If you say the memetic barrier was broken during Ultra Comics, then it broke on March 25th, 2015 (And, well, any time it is picked up and read by another person).

March 24th, 2015? That was the Germanwings Flight 4U 9525, or That Time /tv/ Crashed A Plane With Baneposting.

Certainly some store owners could've read Ultra when it got shipped to them a day earlier.

>>92526409
>>92526421
>>92526726
>Batman wears black and grey
>no grey lantern
>black lantern is death
>Batman doesn't kill
Huh...theory needs some work but I like it. And yes I know Golden Age Batman and several film Batmen killed.

>>92527111
Golden Age Superman has to be the one to defeat Dr. Manhattan. He is the champion of the oppressed. He fights for the little guy. And who is more oppressed than the DCU as a whole now? Golden Age Superman frequently brought people who believed to be above the common man (war profiteers, mine owners, etc.) down to their level to show them the fruits of their labor. GA Superman needs to bring Dr. Manhattan down to the level of a civilian to see what he's done. To do that, he will strip away Manhattan's powers. It's the only way.

>>92527173
But batman was born from the death of his parents. Reaching? Maybe.

>>92526867
Memes! The DNA of the soul!

>>92527197
You're assuming Manhattan is in some way the villain. I think it's safe to assume we are in for some crazy shit and nothing will be as it seems now.

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>>92527198
>>92527173
Bit of a reach, but still good. Batman is also drawn as being about becoming the most like a symbol himself. And Hypercrisis signifies that a symbol cannot be killed.

>>92527210
Just gonna shill this here: the book Fluke by Christopher Moore is a fascinating read that poses a silly but interesting connection that, while not hypercrisis, is still damn interesting to consider.

>>92523660
I'm surprised this hasn't made it to Reddit yet.

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>>92527164
Holy fucking shit, you're right. This is a big thing to consider. Did Ultra comics leak here early by any chance?

>>92524654
Do you realize that every human being is constantly telling the story of their own life? Every moment you are conscious and even in your dreams you are contextualizing your experiences, connecting them, analyzing them, giving them meaning.

Your thoughts and reactions to these things coalesce into your personal narrative, and these personal narratives are how we define ourselves, the world, and our place within it. These stories change and grow through exposure to other different stories, other people. You are constantly redefining your own narrative as you learn new things, reevaluate old things, and forget stuff. A human is in essence a story that tells itself.

The end goal of Hypercrisis is to see if it can work the other way around. If humans are self aware stories, if we are defined by the stories we tell ourselves, then are the stories we tell each other equally alive? Can a story shared between multiple people carry the same self awareness as the individuals who are sharing it?

It's Death of the Author taken to it's logical extreme. If a story can take on a meaning of it's own independent of its authors intentions, why can't it take on a life of its own independent of its readers as well?

>>92527215
Even in Watchmen he abandoned humanity and neglected his responsibilities, just like the corrupt rich folk. He's a prime target for GA Superman.

Too bad that it would be too cool for DC to do. Though, way back when I was thinking of making a story where the ending had Superman in the Watchmen universe, I never thought that DC would do anything like that.

>>92527280
>If a story can take on a meaning of it's own independent of its authors intentions, why can't it take on a life of its own independent of its readers as well?
I got fucking goosebumps.

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>>92523969
This should be the official banner.

>>92524701
>>92526925
>you realizing you are fictional.

Oh no, quite the opposite in fact. The endgame is you realizing that you are a story, however you are still real and therefore all stories are just as real and alive as you are.

>>92524921
It explicitly is Meme Magic, though Morrison calls it Chaos Magic.
Same thing when you look at the details.

>>92527280
I don't believe you. You're using wordplay and trickery to come to a conclusion that is invalid.

The author should have never died. Audience interpretation is a farce, and now an even worse device has come into being: second-hand interpretations based on memes. The person hasn't even had direct contact with the story and has conceived of his own, alternative version based on negative interpretations coalecesed into one pile! That shouldn't be treated as just as valid.

>>92527395
i.e. the real secret to personal enlightenment is realizing how it affects everything beyond you

>>92527435
>an even worse device has come into being: second-hand interpretations based on memes
It's very rare that a mutated meme survives longer than the initial meaning, though, and ultimately meme mutation is progress, not detriment. A meme only survives to be spread, and if changing it makes it more accessible then that's the path of least resistance.

>>92527263
My whole body is shaking. I am convinced now 100% that this is real. The Cult of Kek and this is too much evidence. Tell me, what was Ultra comics, and how does it fit in?

>>92527457
>what was Ultra comics, and how does it fit in?
Oh...child...you're not ready.

>>92527457
>Ultra comics, and how does it fit in?
It was the penultimate issue to Multiversity.
It was the comic and the superhero within the pages.
Somehow, he became gentrified and became the Empty Hand.

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>>92527457
Anyone got a rip to storytime here for the uninitiated?

The death of Pepe got me wondering. An idea can't be killed by the author and sometimes expands beyond the author's original intent and meaning. But something interesting happens to this expansion depending on the author. If the author is weak, unrespected, unknown, or reviled (eg Pepe creator, B^Uckley) their idea will grow more and more AGAINST what their original intent was.

On the other hand, if the author is strong, loved, respected, well-known, etc. then the creation will always be trying to get back to its original meaning, or evolve into something which would make the original author proud. Biggest example is Superman. People are always trying to bring him back to his roots? But why? Because they respect the author. Not only that, people will always try to make him the best character he can be.

>>92527501
Just seeing this image is blowing my mind. Morrison is a fucking treasure.

>>92523660
Basic, even manufactured, coincidences sure impress the simple minded.
Reminds me of that time a friend was arguing to me about some mystical shit because he saw someone he hadn't seen in a long time the same day he was thinking about them.

>>92527395
The endgame is realizing that fiction doesn't exists.

>>92527579
The concept of belief is cyclical in nature. If someone believes something it takes a lot to snap out of that. Within that cycle however there's perpetual power within that belief. Manufactured or not, it feeds the idea of symbols and motifs having meaning, and thus, that belief in it creates that meaning as well. Either way it's all in good fun.

Also your friend is just having selective memory or could have been influencing the universe or vice-versa.

>>92527579
Maybe the only thing I know to be true is that there are 2 sides to everything, and both sides are correct because we are only experiencing a cross-section of reality, we see single concepts and things as having 2 sides. That's why both are always equally correct, equally real, equal in every way. So seeing a coincidence as meaningless, or as deterministic fate, both are true. It depends upon what viewpoint you see the problem from. Do you get it? The problem is spatial, in a space we cannot access.

>>92527263
>literal wiki edit
>fake dailymail article
/tv/ sure is ebin

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>>92527571
>>92527501
>>92527494
>>92527488
>>92527457
>>92527263
>>92527164
Okay, Ultra Comics storytime time. For those who have read it before, welcome back, and those who have not, turn away now before it's too late!

>>92527618
>trying to make a 2deep4u argument with bipolar reasoning
Cute.

>>92527657
Do I need to know anything befoer reading?

>>92527579
Coincidences and déjà vu are just your brain seeing things before the game of life has time to load it up. Just a glitch in the system.

>>92527657
Haven't read it before, looking forward to it! How do digital comics affect him? Can he be saved by getting an upgrade?

>>92527675
Everything in our world has 2 natural poles. But in higher space, they are always one thing. What is wrong with that?

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>>92527683
You might wanna check out all of Multiversity later, but Ultra himself is totally self-contained.

>>92527686
Shut up Morpheus, nobody likes you.

>>92527683
The Multiversity covers the collective multiverse gearing up/dealing with the threat of the Gentry, which are effigies of villainous tropes (the mastermind, the horde, the femme fatale, etc), who effect destruction wherever they go. Ultra Comics, the comic book and the character, is Earth 33's attempt at a solution. Earth 33, mind you, is our Earth.

>>92527695
>Everything in our world has 2 natural poles.
That part.
>But in higher space, they are always one thing.
Also that part.

>>92524183
>a comic he should know about if he really is this passionate about watchmen
that´s not how it works anon

>>92527674
I've never read anything like this before...

>you're starting to realize this isn't just any comic book
I certainly am.

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>>92527849
Good placement

>>92525831
Bro, do you even source material? Read Seven Solider amigo. You'd know 7 is a cursed number.

You're looking for an 8 mate. You know infinity symbolized?

comic books are fiction

>>92527928
And fiction influences reality.

>>92527939
other way around.

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>>92527887
Well this was obnoxious.

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>>92523750

That's not the only thing that can be abbreviated that way.

>>92523795

Nobody can know what hypercrisis is to you, personally.

But otherwise, the notion of the hypercrisis is that everything is connected - more specifically, the fictional and 'real' world, which of course is literally true in that the fictional world is the product of the 'real' world, but which seems to result in an improbable amount of coincidences.

It's sigil magic, apparently, and a couple of years ago Grant Morrison was basically trying to bring the DC universe to life by drawing it into the real world. At least I think that's what he was trying to do.

Since I am 100% in favor of that and not 100% certain it is not actually possible, I do what I can to promote it.

Gamble a stamp. I'll make a man out of you.

>>92524307

See, the thing is - our brains are information-processing systems; at the end of the day, consciousness is just information.... and so are comic books.

And people have been reading this stuff for generations. And we have been openly communicating on boards such as this one for a good decade.

What I am saying is - there might be more to it.

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>>92527881
>the oblivion Machine

>As the fable Bradbury claims it to be, Ahmed and the Oblivion Machines is a little obtuse, although some of Bradbury's meaning does come through. The desert in which Ahmed is lost reveals itself to be the spiritual wasteland of the twentieth century. Buried beneath the sands, along with Gonn-ben-Allah, Ahmed learns, are other lost gods as well as vanquished cities which man has forgotten. But the wasteland does more than hide the lost history and faith of man, it also conceals the possible future beliefs and history of mankind. Ahmed begins to see these possibilities, but of course, much is still hidden by the drifting dunes.

>>92524921
They're both just numerology written up for autistic 20-somethings.

>>92524493

>>92524493
>It's silly if you hyperuse it.

ftfy

>>92524654
>What's the endgame?

Making the DC universe real.

Actual, tangible reality. Read "Flex Mentallo". That's the idea: saving the world from despair and frustration.

>>92525618

Ha. GUESS what song I was listening to before I came to /co/ today. I'll give you a hint: It involves a scottish loch.

...This really is getting kind of scary.

>>92528106
Comic books, and specifically super-hero mythology as created in comic books, are the modern equivalents to folklore heroes and mythological deities and champions. The overwhelming popularity of capeshit in mainstream society nowadays is a big testament to this.

Greek gods and DC/Marvel capes are kinda the same thing, same way the Old Gods and the New Gods are kinda the same thing.

>>92526384
Hi Darkseid.

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>>92526384

Go to bed, Intellectron.

>>92526925

Grant covered that, too. He told us.

>>92527280

I was rooting for humanity to create and succeeded by artificial intelligence, but this might actually be better.

>>92528240
But, eventually, something has to be real, right? All of this needs an origin.

>>92528249
>But, eventually, something has to be real, right?
That's a loaded question.

>>92528258
I know, but I have my own worldview. I don't believe we or anything we see or experience is real, but a fraction of reality. But it all stems from a source. Like, we must be reflections off of SOMETHING.

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>>92527603

Intellectron... just pack it in.

>>92527944

Sweetie, what do you think the Bible is?

>>92523079
Holy Fucking Kek.

>>92528277
>sweetie
That shit has got to stop.

>>92528270
>Like, we must be reflections off of SOMETHING.
Man, you're really doing your homework tonight, anon.

>>92528270
Its not a reflection, its a magic eye puzzle, the acid fractals,

all this dust and energy in the universe, if you look at it from one angle, you see planets and animals and people. if you look at it from different angles, you see other planets with other animals and other people, and things that we don't even have names for yet

>>92528270

...Can something create itself?

>>92528286

I only use it when necessary.

>>92528427
Comics create parts of themselves all the Tim, through readers becoming writers.

>>92528452
>Tim

The joys of phone posting

>>92528319
>if you look at it from different angles
Perception and perspective, the two most important words there are. Nothing is "real". Your perception is informed by your perspective. How you perceive something is altered by where you see it from. Your perspective affects your perception. Your reality is how you see things. I just wanted to add a little more insight to a great thread.

Anyone else realizing that Hypercrisis means God and Jesus and Christianity are all real?

>>92525969
i dont remember, but iirc it wasn't anything of note

>>92528559

And everything else as well. Krishna and Zeus and Odin and Wakan Tanka and Tonatiuh and Sedna and Papa and Rainbow Snake...

>>92528787
and Cthulu...and Flying Spaghetti Monster. God damn us all.

>>92528797

Well, maybe not. Maybe there is a critical limit beyond which things 'receive' reality.

'course, that would return us to the original statement - that God and Jesus from the Christian religion, the most popular fiction in history, are real.

>>92525969

Just checked. Nothing of note happens in the 52nd minute: the helicopted with the Squad lands in the evacuated city and Captain Boomerang starts to fuck with Slipknot's head.

>>92528900
Well, maybe it's related to the amount of "belief" in it. In fact, it would be, wouldn't it?

>>92527671
>>92527674
I'm actually too scared to keep reading.

>>92527887
I read this page an hour ago. I honestly thought it was underwhelming then. Right now I am writhing in the thought that I have been infected by the intellectron.

>>92529074

IT FUCKING SAID TO BEGIN WITH YOU SHOULDN'T READ IT!

Too late now. The Gentry are like The Game.

>>92527887
I wonder why he wasn't called Hyperman.

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>>92529105

...That's actually a good question, given Morrison's nigh-sexual love for all things Silver-age.

>>92524686
Carrol just gets uglier by the day.

>>92527173
You're forgetting that Batman has yellow and sometimes blue anon.

>>92522835

Just realized how retarded Jon is.
He can literally teleport, and split himself up. He can dissolve every single nuke in the world within a few seconds if he wanted to.

>>92529293
Audibly keked

>>92529315
I just realized his powers are incredibly undefined.

>>92524686
>>92529293
There's no denying that the color scheme and power set are very close to Carol. Even his symbol. I'm guessing this was on purpose though?

>>92527850
Such a great reveal.

>>92529386

They have limits, which is something they seem to have forgotten at DC.

>>92528559
*tip*

>>92529474
Not him, but 0/10

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>>92522835
>Dr. Manhattan is the future Doomsday

>>92527887
What pure and complete wank. If writers want to jerk off, they should do it alone.

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Shit, my thread still alive.

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>>92524654
To change the reality to a better version of itself. Maybe is impossible to reach the best of the possible worlds but at least do one or two good things for humanity using Chaos theory, the manipulation of language and the characters we like and love since forever.

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>>92524921
Both are two magical operations improvised or that appeared spontaneously on the Internet. What is called meme magic or chaos magick is a new kind of interaction and interpretation of reality. Hypercrisis can even be part of a bigger unknown system.

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>>92526867
The Empty Hand is Ultra Comics.

What if we invoke superman using meme-magic?
Could it work? We are /co/, if possible, is our responsability.

>>92522862

Wasn't there a penis in Silk Spectre's Before Watchmen?

>>92522835
>the only man on the planet capable of understanding my dilemma

I thought he considered Ozymandias equivalent to the world's smartest termite.

>>92527101
>>92527141
Morrison confirmed that Empty Hand is the consumer/reader. And it's pretty plainly laid out in the story anyway given that it's Ultra, the reader avatar, who gets corrupted.

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>>92524654
>What's the endgame?
>What's the deal?

>>92527875
>This guy's raped my wallet WAY too many times!
I'm so glad SJWs don't actually read comics.

>>92523414
D.E.N.I.A.L

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>>92527716
>Memesmiths
How did I never catch that the first time around?

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>>92524307
>just comic books

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>>92524654
Awaken the mankind or something, I think. A number of people have been talking about this "reality is an illusion, humans are not aware of their true potential" kind of stuff. Along with Morrison, another /co/-related guy who's famous for frequently talking about it is Scott Adams. I've been trying to understand what these people are on about. Many of them seem to believe that the mankind has untapped potential, and they also seem to think that the rise of the internet connecting us all can help us reach this potential.

>>92533337
Reality is constructed a lot like a simulation. There's signs that the physical world is more like a data projected in to a 3D world. Last I knew, high level math and physics were still grappling with the idea.

That said, the idea one could effect the system through sheer disbelief is crockery. This isn't TES.

>>92527894
Green Arrow would be the 8th member then

>>92523407
this

The readers are the oblivion machine? The gentry are comic book company CEOs and editors?

Anything else I'm missing?

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>>92527674
Is that guy supposed to be Jim Shooter?

>>92533989
>The readers are the oblivion machine?
No, the Oblivion Machine is the obsessive fan mentality where you read every comic over and over not for enjoyment but out of an almost addiction. You see it in people who will continually read Big 2 cape comics every wednesday for decades despite doing nothing but bitching about them.

>The gentry are comic book company CEOs and editors?
No, the gentry are Bad Memes. Negative ideas that infect fiction.

>>92527751
>2nd panel
Who's the guy using the phone? Is he the gentry?

>3rd panel
Kryptonian letters on the billboard with the Flash Gordon-looking figure? Was that their world's Superman?

What does it mean?

>>92527887
lol at DC trying to cash in on breaking the 4th wall

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>>92534568
>>3rd panel
>Kryptonian letters on the billboard with the Flash Gordon-looking figure? Was that their world's Superman?
Actually that's suppose to be Ultra Man AKA Gary Concord Jr., we actually are introduced to him in >>92527795

He's a superhero in an alternate future of 2239 AD, fighting a warlord by the name of Tor (not the caveman) and would later freeze himself in suspended animation in order to fight in the 100th Century.

We learn that Tor got into a war with the time travel villain Epoch and destroyed time. Everything happening is now, there is no longer past or future.

Ultra is able to leap between panels showing that he can travel between time/space. His handlers knowingly sent Ultra to this world to die as a sacrifice to lure the HIT (harmful independent thought) as time is broken

Ultimately, it shows that Ultra is trapped in the Now as he can't escape any where before or after this comic. Time is broken here and Ultra sacrificed himself in order to seal away Intellectron, who I think might represent people who think themselves as being smarter than others. The type who criticize what others enjoy, "Its just a comic book, hyper crisis isn't real".

We got to save Ultra.

>>92527795
>>92527789
Who is Reborizzon and his Dronedroids?

The Deformoids were once protectors of Earth Prime before being corrupted or zee-valved into monsters by Time Tyrant Tor. Is this a comment of how superheroes like Superman are always changing with the times but have recently being de-evolved into something far away from their characterization? *cough* Man of Steel *cough*

>>92522862
There was Wonder Woman nipple in DK Master Race #1

>>92535665
awesome scene

reminds me a little of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaR3sVpTB98

>>92526726
>>92526789
>>92526825
>>92527173
Liked these so let's give it a try for Batman

Batman might wear black as a symbol for death because Batman was born out of death and in any multiverse this is true, see Earth 2 Thomas Wayne Bats

Bruce adorns himself in the memory of his parent's death but at the heart things, ol' Bats likes to use fear as a weapon... "criminals are a superstitious cowardly lot"

he's a man amongst gods so unlike the others, mankind will always walk hand in hand with death and to accept mortality is to be elevate to a zen like state like Batman

with Return of Bruce Wayne Batman because a myth stretching through all times, much like culture give identity for a particular group of people mankind will always use their culture symbols like memes to shape themselves in their world

the rest of the Return of Bruce Wayne is him dealing with the depression of grim dark Batman era

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>>92536508
post it here, if you are so great

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>>92535665
>riding in circles
>thinking in circles
Ultra is trapped in a circle with no start or end, the comic repeats over and over. This theme is touched upon with Pax Americana and the Algorithm 8. Is Ultra, Captain Atom? Both are trapped within the Algorithm, both were betrayed (by scientists no less). They are both aware that they are or appear as comic books. They both have 3rd eyes, Atom his symbol and Ultra the multi-mind gem.

The idea of a never-ending circle is called an ouroboros. A theme touched upon in Grant's run in Batman Inc.

The Gentry remind me a lot of the Strangers in the movie Dark City. Alien race who control and rearrange people's lives.

In fact Hypercrisis and Dark City have a lot in common, comic book characters are trapped within the borders of a comic much like there is nothing past the city within the film. Both superheroes and the film characters keep having their memories and lives changed. Many can't really remember any real memories, something that is effecting superheroes due to constant recons. Recently, Barry Allen couldn't remember Jay Garrick. Comic book characters are constantly being shuffled around either to be rewritten or sent into Limbo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Mv3rd3OZNE#t=61.361462658

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>>92537398
legendary storytime

Are there any real world consequences to hypercrysis?

>>92524183
It's the exact opposite. Although I can't expect a mainstream superhero fan to understand that you don't have to read something featuring your favorite character if you think the story is told and have no interest in any follow up.

>>92533226
>/tv/

Any videos explaining hypercrysis?

>>92538264
Why do you think he has to read the story to follow basic news articles about something?

>>92529105
Because Hyperman's dead. E-i-e-i-e, yeah, Hyperman's dead.

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>>92536836
>>92526461
This is why I see Batman as a Saturn figure.

>>92535665
>>92538001
Pic related shows Kronos holding an Ouroboros. Batman doesn't go to heaven or hell or even limbo upon his death, he simply gets to relive his life as the Batman over and over. Batman is infinite.

Could someone explain how and why Batman was sent back in time by Darkseid? I read articles that because Bruce going back and time and returning to the present he became god-like figure by creating the legend of the Batman. If the Ouroboros is Algorithm 8 and the Omega Sanction, than Ultra can escape like Bruce did. We can still save him!

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I guess Wally got Mac Tonight.

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>>92522835

>>92527716
If I had made him, he would have won.

>>92527875
>4chan made its way inside Ultra Comics
>Hypercrisis is real
who would have thought shit posting in the Oblivion Machine almost destroyed the Gentry thus saving the day... to be continued

>>92538001
That's deep

>>92527691
is it just me, or is this page implying a causal relation between a character's moral code and the shape of their emblem

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>>92529074
I wouldn't worry too much about it if its safe enough to be memetically engineered and put on the shelves. What would be scary is if Morrison was strongly against this being published.

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>>92538542
>Could someone explain how and why Batman was sent back in time by Darkseid?
Omega Beams fuck with time and space.
Batman was basically acting as a proxy for the slain Orion in Final Crisis, which elevated him to enough cosmic significance that he survived being hit by the omega beams, and he fell through the 'wound' in time created by both the omega beams and the time-traveling bullet

>>92527280

In a weird way reminds me of that old rumor that spanned the earth about Marilyn Manson removing ribs so he could suck his own dick... I don't even know where it started...

>>92527687

CMYK... so great.

>>92522862
>>92523079
>>92523242
>>92523277
Friendly reminder: Blue penis never erect

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>>92527368
The number seven having a secret 8 can be applied to The Endless because Dusk exists (and she may have once been Dawn as in the dawn of creation, like how Delirium used to be Delight), also an 8'th unknown emotion that may represent the Phantom Lantern. Not sure about the character archetypes though, there's the Magician and so on but what would the 8'th title be and who would represent it? Also, once you added the other triangles the pentagram looks like a lot like the symbol Arion of Atlantis.

>>92524466
>You'll get lost in an era.
Assuming Final Crisis is still canon, and I believe it is, Bruce fought his way through time from prehistory back to the present. I don't think getting lost in a random era would really stop him.

>>92545951
The eighth lantern is the White Lantern life anon. It's right there in your image connecting mental emotional spectrum with physical parliaments of life.

>>92526867
>when the empty whatever talks it makes a hole in the page

i think im starting to understand why dc fags love, well, crappy dc stories so much.

meta narrative and power levels all over the place, how broken batman's plot armor is etc, marvel doesnt seem to do this kind of stuff with its cosmology.

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>>92539049
Manhattan better watch out. When a certain someone sees him naked...

>>92528249
I mean, Aquinas's metaphysics proved that the only real reality is God and that the rest of us are just real equivocally. Looks like he was right. As usual.

>>92545951
I see that pic posted a bit about the number 7, but honestly I think the rest of the stuff about connecting the Swamp Thing and Green Lantern mythos as a body and spirit duality is the more interesting part.
Especially that Swamp Thing made a parliament for stories recognizing in universe that stories are alive.

>>92546811
Marvel tends to never really go beyond high tier reality warping/space god stuff. Everything is "physical" if you get what I mean.

DC has a shit load of that too, but they also focus a lot more on stories, symbolism, myths and the power of dreams.

Take the obvious example of Superman. At times he's capable of things that should be flat out impossible for even beings far beyond him. It has nothing to do with 'power levels' but everything to do with purpose and belief. Batman too.

Not to say marvel doesn't go into this area, but its happenings are few and far between.

Is it still canon in DC cosmology that the souls of the dead have to pass through the Area of Madness to reach their destination?

>>92526603
>not part of their creation
Who fucking CARES?
The only reason Moore even has these characters he "created" is because DC wouldn't let him tell this story with the actual Blue Beetle, Question, Captain Atom, etc. They're about as original as the "original" Squadron Supreme. Moore bitches about DC doing things with his characters, then he turns around and writes Mr Hyde raping The Invisible Man in the ass in a comic consisting entirely of other people's characters.

>>92522920

what a retard