Wonder Woman storytime

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In 1968, Wonder Woman's sales had fallen pretty far. Carmine Infantino said she was a "tired" character.

So Denny O'Neil, who would go on to head successful revamps of Batman, Green Arrow and many more, teamed up with artist Mike Sekowsky to reenvision Wonder Woman for the modern day.

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The result is what we have here.

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We start with Wonder Woman in her Ross Andru style which she had looked like since 1958.

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As you can see, this takes a lot of influence from the culture of the day, including mod fashion, psychedelic art and women's lib.

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O'Neil would later admit that this comes off as very "how do you do, fellow kids"

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You'd think she'd at least have her glasses on so he couldn't recognize her.

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Cheesy as they are, I adore all the crazy outfits in this run.

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>tfw Diana won't make the scene with you

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This is of course inspired by the culture of Greenwich Village in New York, where O'Neil was living at the time.

And picture on the bottom panel is Diana joining the Manson family

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Guest appearance by Abe Vigoda

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Sure looks seedy to me

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Gonna miss these superheroics in the next issue.

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We had a good ol fashioned "Wonder Woman shouldn't fly because reasons" thread the other day

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Don't worry, it gets better.

Til Gloria Steinem is Christian bale stepmom.

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In which a way for Wonder Woman to lose her powers and her supporting cast is contrived

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>>92488801
Huh???

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Tin soldiers and Nixon's coming

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Dat leg

>>92488828
Over the course of a couple years, reaction went from mixed to negative to staunch opposition presented in letter form in a national publication. Hey, any mainstream reaction is good, right? Gloria Steinem, principal icon and activist of the Women’s Liberation Movement, the very movement that Denny O’Neil was trying to show his support for, published an article in Ms. magazine arguing that it was in fact an anti-feminist interpretation. And she and other detractors weren’t without a point.

Steinem argued that O’Neil and Sekowsky failed the moment they removed her powers. As Diana Prince, she was a powerless woman learning martial arts from I-Ching, mysterious master that he may be, he’s still a man. As Wonder Woman, she was stronger than men. Better than men, from a society untouched by the wars of men. By removing her advantages and her Amazonian traits, they had dulled the impact of the character, reducing her from goddess to an average gal living in a man’s world.

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Back to street fashion Diana

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>>92488926
I mean I'm not sure what Christian Bale has to do with that

>>92488966
On September 3, 2000, at age 66, Steinem married David Bale, father of actor Christian Bale.

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>>92489005
Holy shit

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Enter Mr. Miyagi

>>92488581
His name is Buck and he likes to

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Also I love how when Sekowsky has people get punched, they seem to stretch all over the place. Very dynamic artist for the time.

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I-Ching is back in the pages of New Super-Man, btw

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And Dr. Cyber is the key villain introduced during this era.

>>92488386
It actually reminds me a bit of Stan Lee's work, which IS very "fellow kids" if you think about it.

>>92489018
Unrelated. COMIC URBAN LEGEND: Will Pfeifer was briefly married to actress Michelle Pfeiffer

STATUS: True

In the late ’80s, Hollywood superstar Michelle Pfeiffer and the current writer of Catwoman were a common sight at Hollywood premieres, supermarket openings and glitzy nightclubs. I’d really rather not talk about it, but I will say this — she let me keep the cat suit. Ah, memories.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-WHW-QNswE

>>92489049
Sekowsky and Dillin are both very underrated Justice League artists.

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>>92489090
I always think of a panel in an early issue of Spider-Man where Peter swings past some kids at a campus protesting the war in Vietnam. Apparently Ditko wrote it as Peter dismissing them, but Lee went back in and had him say something like "Hey guys, I'm on your side!"

One of the things that lead to Ditko leaving.

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>>92489124
No fucking way. Wow.

His Catwoman AND his Wonder Woman are awful, btw

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O'Neil REALLY loved kung-fu.

Of course, it fit way better with Batman and the Question than Wonder Woman.

>>92489205
I know right. The marriage fell apart after the release of Batman Returns in 1992, when Pfeiffer felt the writer’s constant “suggestions” about how she should play the character of Catwoman became annoying. In a strange legal twist, Pfeifer was forced to change his name after the divorce, and dropped one of the F’s.

>>92488581
>>92488610
Bikers vs Manson Family seems like it'd be a good premise for a cult splatter movie.

Like Texas Chainsaw Massacre or the Hills have Eyes vs The Born Losers or Faster Pussycat.

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>>92489235
That's one of the most fascinating things I've ever heard. Absolutely bizarre.

DESU I probably would have made a lot of suggestions, too.

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Enemy Ace cameo?

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Poor Steve. They couldn't even have just left him in a coma.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khkGSKHwkIE

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In case you can't tell, The Avengers was a pretty big influence on this comic. Diana is meant to be more like Mrs. Peel.

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Suddenly, Daft Punk attacks

>>92489277
Agreed.

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IIRC this guy is the first of Diana's many lays during this run.

>>92488447
>>92488668
Looking at this logo, did we ever get an update to that "whataburger sues DC for logo infringement" case?

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That is a Bond as fuck base

>>92488639
It occurs to me.
Wonder Woman is about Love, but by removing the vague positive sexual themes about her and THEN removing Trevor, you have no regular in her comic for her to love, at all.

You have to show her love in a more generalized way, which 99% of all writers are frankly awful at.

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>>92489434
Looks like there hasn't been any news on it since September.

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>>92489441
To be fair most of the things that set Wonder Woman apart from other superheroes had been kind of scrubbed out by this time. So I can forgive O'Neil for not being familiar with her in any way except "female superhero".

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Such an innocent face for a murderer.

>>92488739
I saw it. It bored me.
Weather or not she should or shouldn't is such an old and overdone topic.
All I want is for there to be a consistent explanation for her be able to or not being able and it to stick around long enough that an entire generation of comics readers don't have to read through two to three retcons about it.

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A mysterious voice calls you and tells you vaguely it has information. It tells you to meet it somewhere alone in the middle of the night.

What could go wrong?

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>>92489654
Well, from 1987 to 2011 it was indeed totally consistent.

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And then Hermes gave her her power of flight only a few issues into the New 52 run so for 99% of post-Flashpoint it's been basically the same as well.

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And now Steve dies with little fanfare.

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We have to be ready. You, me, the others. There's an attack coming from far away.
Not coming, Bruce. It's already here.
The others, where are they?
Arthur Curry, the Aquaman.
It's on him.
Organic and biomechatronic body parts. He's a cyborg.
You should probably move.
Barry Allen.
Whoever you're looking for, it's not me.
You're the Batman?
They said the Age of Heroes would never come again.
It has to.
What are your superpowers again?
I'm rich.
My turn.
Shall we?
It's good to see you playing well with others again.
Dressed like a bat. I dig it.
Maybe temporary.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rt5WY7aFh7s

>>92489748
How did he come back from this?

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>>92489854
Aphrodite brought him back to life after this run ends.

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This has got me in a Bond mood now

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Sekowsky does great stuff with lighting like this.

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>Now which of my many submarines will I take this time

Oh yeah Texas, things might not be as companywarsy when the WW movie comes out, because mods (or at least one) are cracking down on trollish shitposts which I know because I got a temp ban for one

>>92489938
Were you false flagging?

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>>92489938
lol. Well that's good to hear, but I suppose I'll believe it when I see it.

It would be pretty nice if the movie gets a good reception, even though I don't plan to see it. And it has been getting good buzz on Twitter as far as I can tell.

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There was supposed to be a Twitter QA with Jenkins and Gadot this morning but Gadot got "sick".

I haven't read all of Jenkins responses but there was this good one:
>She inspires me to try to be the best, most loving, most brave and present version of myself, and to try to make the world a better place.

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I love cocksure bitch villainesses so much.

>>92490039
That quote can be said about any character.

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>>92490090
Granted.

>>92489991
I guess so. I mentioned a conspiracy theory about something using specific language, and deservedly got a brief ban

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>never yet saw a chick who wouldn't be dumb if you give her a chance
lol

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Nick Fury's pretty much objectively a better 60's spy comic, but this ain't bad either.

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I love kooky spy gadgets.

>>92490185
It's HARD to beat Steranko and things like driving a motorcycle shirtless through walls while smoking a cigar and wielding guns akimbo.

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This actually came out 9 months BEFORE On Her Majesty's Secret Service

>>92490185
Oh right, Fury #2 came out yesterday. I wonder when they will announce that it was a stealth mini, because the sales of the first issue were pretty bad (31K).
The first issue didn't really grab me, but made me realize that I need to read more old Fury

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>>92490287
And that's why I always picture Fury having David Hayter's voice.

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>>92490317
The first one just felt too much like it was aping Steranko. I know there are worse things to ape, but it just seems like an off-brand instead of the real thing.

>>92490320
I never did BUT NOW I ALWAYS WILL.
He was always just Hasslehoff to me, but Hayter works just fine.

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I'd be down with Diana learning karate in the modern day. I mean, she's trained in like wrestling and weapon combat, but none of the foreign martial arts.

>>92490317
It would have been much better had the just put Ultimate Fury in the 616.

>>92490354
>"Karate...Judo....Kung Fu....all THREE martial arts that exist in the world I know!"
Seriously, it's always these three back in the day. You hardly hear anything about anything else until the mid-90's basically.

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>>92490421
Lol, I know. I remember all of the sudden in the mid-2000's I saw krav maga all over the place.

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You'd think someone like O'Neil who was a martial arts nut might have known about more styles

>>92490354
This is making me wish that New Super-Man came out quicker even though that means the end will be here sooner

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW3AVaGAzis

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>>92490495
I'd even be fine with a fucking Harley Quinn crossover if it will get us more issues.

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The Harley Quinn of China?

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Wasn't this an episode of Archer?

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>I need the biggest seed bell you've got... No, that's too big...

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How convenient that this fella showed up on a mountain occupied solely by badguys!

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Yep, totally how Brits talk

>>92490446
I usually laugh at that, because Krav Maga is just basically learning to fight without all the bullshit attached.
The place I go actually teaches it, and when I asked my teacher when they learned it he outright said that he just took most of the formalities and sports stuff out of other martial arts and replaced it with eye-gouging and kicking them in the dick.
>>92490472
He seemed like he was heavy into the philosophical side of martial arts as much as he was the practical side; just look at the Question.

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>happiness, for any healthy, red-blooded young gal, is bedecking herself in the latest fashion finery
Women's lib, everybody!

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>>92490674
I remember I heard about krav maga from the fucking novelization of Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell, where it was of course treated like some kind of secret middle eastern Hand of Doom kind of shit

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>tea pot bomb
Such is life as a spy

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One of my problems with this run is Diana gets lead around by dudes a lot.

Something that Byrne also does.

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Everyone knows human women are completely unable to control their desire for dick.

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Coincidentally I stayed up way too late reading From Hell last night

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Cyber, Cyber is her one and only name

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Yeah this is a little cringe-inducing

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Next Diana will return to Paradise Island

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But first a short detour in DC's other girl book, Superman's Girl Friend, Wonder Wo- I mean, Lois Lane!

>>92490885
Same thing happened to me when I first read Watchmen. Moore has a way of grabbing you like that.

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kek

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>>92490991
His stuff is so full of historical and literary allusion and brilliant prose it makes me feel like an uncultured swine in comparison

>>92490812, >>92490829
I think he was trying to make her more "human" but what it actually comes off as is "stupid", which while may in fact be accurate it's not as if that it's on 100% of the time.

...then again he had Lady Shiva hanging with that...random gentleman trucker guy. That was kinda weird.
Maybe she just has REALLY odd taste in men.

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Coincidentally, this is written by Robert Kanigher, who wrote Wonder Woman in the Silver Age up until this very run where he was booted off.

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>>92491048
He does later admit that he thought he was being hip and empowering to women with this but it was pretty outdated even at the time.

>>92491018
His house is like an old library. He's definitely one of the most cultured comic book writers out there, makes Bendis look like a literal retard (not like that's hard tho)

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Lois posts on /fit/

>>92489419
>I love Steve so much I'm giving up my immortality and superpowers for him, but first let me get some Mike Hammer

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The battle to decide the fate of Superman's dick begins!

>>92491104
I swear Supermen gete some kind of perverse joy out of leading Lois on and tormenting her like this in the Silver Age.

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>>92491209
To this day I'm still not entirely sure whether that was the intention or if he was just supposed to be comically oblivious.

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>Whoops, I accidentally dropped an atomic warhead!

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And a lovably racist Mexican caricature

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Who could resist those eyebrows?

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I didn't ask for your goddamn life story, lady!

>>92491175
>my training program consists of making you do ALL OF THE EXERCISES!!
>what do you mean "do I have a license"?!?! Go lift that comically oversized barbell, ya lazy git!!!

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>I almost forgot I was a reporter!
So did I, Lois.

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Excerpt from that Lois Lane issue's letters page:
>I have been a faithful reader of DC comics since I was seven. But LOIS LANE No. 90 has left me so disturbed I can hardly think of anything else! Please revive Dahr-Nel! Lois would be so happy with him, happier than she would be with Superman any day. Play up Supie's heartbreak, and then bring in another gal, but please, PLEASE get Dahr-Nel back. Then he and Lois can go into the future and you can start a new mag about them!

Shipping: not even once

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And speaking of heartbreak

>>92491478
Dahr-Nel is the stupid name I've ever heard.

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>>92491554
Googling it gets you images of black guys

>>92491478
....Darnell?

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I-Ching is a little out of place here.

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Wow, I actually don't remember this part at all.

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>wears armor
>leads an army
>fights with sword and shield
>kills monsters
What is this, modern Wonder Woman?!

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I wonder what would have happened if this entire revamp was centered around this style of story instead of the mod stuff.

It's almost ironic that this run was basically forgotten and yet it has an arc that exemplifies what a lot of people have wanted Wonder Woman to turn into.

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This looks like a scene from that first Wonder Woman movie trailer

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Peter Dinklage?

OK, since this is a Wonder Woman thread, I might as well ask here. What are some good WW comics to read?

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>>92491923
The definitive post-Crisis run is considered that of George Perez. You can find the link to the thread I posted it in up top under Gods and Mortals, in my Dropbox under "Wonder Woman by George Perez", or on Amazon:
http://a.co/9uZgvrf

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Another good starting point is the Rebirth story Year One, up top under Year One or on Dropbox under "Wonder Woman by Greg Rucka\ V2016 #2, 4, 6, 8, 10, 12, and 14, or on Amazon:
http://a.co/2PgID3V

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Probably the second most recommended run after George Perez is Greg Rucka's. That's in the OP under The Hikiteia, Eye of the Gorgon, and Marathon, in the Dropbox under "Wonder Woman by Greg Rucka\ V1987 #195-226" or on Amazon:
http://a.co/6E6N5v2

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IMO those are the big three. After those you can go where your curiosity guides you using the rec image at the top, my threads and my Dropbox.

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>It's only a model

>>92491986
>>92492032
>>92492075
i want some badass Wonder-Woman though, like in Injustice 2, not any of this gayass hippie shit
i like it when she kills and stuff
Anything like that??

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Hm, O'Neil isn't credited in this issue. I'll have to look that up

>>92491799
Really, isn't pretty much all of Wonder Woman's Pre-Crisis stuff ignored? I think that's why Busiek's Legend of Wonder Woman is well-liked, it's a four issue showcase of stuff that just aren't used anymor.

>>92492114
Shh!

>>92492164
Go play Injustice 2, that should fill your craving.

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>>92492164
You'll enjoy Red Sonja: She-Devil With A Sword and Xena: Warrior Princess!

>>92492164
You might be better off looking for Red Sonja comics or something like that.

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>>92492171
Yes, unfortunately so since her Bronze Age stuff isn't that bad. Superman had the same problem at that time.

>>92492207
Red Sonja is so cash.
You know; I once saw that the original Marvel artist for her released a comic with a Blonde Sonja that straight-up had nudity in it, made me laugh.

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Now this is starting to just feel like Odyssey of the Amazons.

>>92492168
art AND story
o'neil get busy or get fired

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>>92492243
You mean Barry Windsor-Smith?

>>92492195
Already did it, thats why I'm asking

>>92492207
>>92492209
I want a superhero though

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>>92492289
But I thought you didn't want gayass hippie shit?

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>>92492289
You might find enjoyment in Rucka's original run anyway, since it does have a lot of action and that's where Diana started using a sword in her ongoing.

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I seriously feel like I'm reading Xena right now desu

>>92492311
Superheros don't have to be lame as fuck, they can be bad-ass too

Is Injustice Wonder-Woman the only bad ass WW??

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I mean are those fucking Orcs or what?

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>>92492355
Unfortunately for you that's not really what Wonder Woman's all about.

So if Rucka's run isn't badass enough, you're out of luck.

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I can't believe I don't remember this story arc at all

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And then Diana went back to being a secret agent

>>92492289
I associate warrior chicks hacking things apart with sword and sorcery comics. Maybe you want anti-hero types? Is it important that they use swords or are guns allowed?

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And that's all for today.

Thanks for reading!

>>92492282
Not him. Italian guy I think?
>>92492289
Red Sonja is a kind of superhero.
I'm sorry, but you've basically been misled; Wonder Woman isn't too much like her Injustice self except in non-canon comic books.
You could read Artemis very brief run as Wonder Woman I guess, but that's actually a deliberate parody in some ways.

You could also try 90's Bad Girl comics like Lady Death, Chastity, or Witchblade.

>>92492389
>>92492456

Well thats lame
Fuck WW I guess

>>92492533
To each his own.
If you need something to be famous and well-known to enjoy it, you should probably look at the real reasons why you want to enjoy something; do you actually WANT to enjoy it, or just talk about it because it's popular?

If the answer is the latter, reading anything is fine even if it doesn't fit your initial idea of what you thought it was.
If the answer is the former, then why not try things you might actually enjoy and are in line with what you wanted instead of quitting when the entertainment isn't exactly how you envisioned it? Quitting something because it isn't perfect is a pretty lousy way to live life in general.

>>92492533
Injustice is pretty misleading. Especially about Wonder Woman.