CAP 2 - ELECTRIC BOOGALOO STORYTIME

>>92460639
You forgot to put Secret Empire in the OP.
Ah whatever, I'm just glad that images are back.

My only problem with this book is the aimless narration box that doesn't connect to anything. Nick Spencer did that shit in Avengers World too, and it got to the point where I just started skipping narration boxes completely.

Also, there were some pretty slick panels/pages in this issue. I liked it.

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>>92460699
Oh no, you'll have to actually look for a storytime, the horrors

>>92460675
>Hydra knows exactly where the "good guys" are
>Doesn't do anything to arrest/kill them because Muh Hope
Truly Captain Hydra is a tactical genius

>>92460743
They ARE his friends still. He probably wants to turn them instead of murder.

IMAGE POSTING IS DEAD AGAIN

FUCKING HIRO GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER

This coloring is shit. Looks like a Zack Snyder movie.

>>92460675
is that nightwing up there in the first panel

The spiritual forces of the internet don't want you to read Secret Empire.
Think about that for a second.

>>92460813
It's not his fault if the book is so bad that it crashes the site.

>>92460857
hail hydra

>>92460843
>Claire Temple
>Defenders
SYNERGY

>>92460856
>>92460675
Wonder Man's back, Deadpool's healing factor released him from Rogue's mind in Uncanny Avengers.

>>92460762
Why does Luke Cage look like a 90s black sitcom dad who just rolled up his sleeves and went "Put 'em up! Put 'em up!"?

>>92460848
>a /tv/ casual reading comics
What a weird day at /co/.

The solicits mentioned Baron Mordo, where is he?
And where are Doctor Strange and Daredevil?

>>92460948
The solicits were a lie.

>>92460957

ACTUALLY...

>>92460957
wow what a cliffhanger

>>92460957
My favorite part about this book is how Nick Spencer doesn't give a fuck about Tony being dead or an AI or whatever, and just basically wrote him normally.

Fucking Bendis

>>92461144
I was bored by this issue, but this page was neat.

>>92460864
Dagger's powers come from the Lightforce Dimension, the counterpart of Darkforce, right?

>>92460935
Is Spencer ripping off Hickman?

>>92461179
oh surprise, Cap didn't order the attack himself, yet another cop-out to continue to absolve Cap from being an actual bad guy

>>92461253
So I guess this confirms that Wanda is being mind-controlled/possessed yet again.

>>92461179
>>92461250
"PLEASE FEEL BAD FOR THE NOT-NAZI WHO CAN'T GET HIS DICK WET!"

This just further compounds the theory that the last two pages were a PANIC MODE addition

>>92460864
wow how lucky the one thing that could save them was there to be trapped with them in the first place

anyone who says "that was Cap's plan"
is looking for a slap

>>92461239
>brings back all the hydra characters from secret warriors

So yes.

>>92461231
Ironically the only good book I think Spencer has ever written was Cloak/Dagger.

>>92461169

Yeah, Nat, he actually would.

Goddamn, could this be the one "hero versus hero" event where both sides actually have lucid, reasonable arguments?

>>92461250
He probably doesn't order the inhuman holocaust camps too. Good thing he has member to do bad things so he doesn't look too evil.

>>92461263
Did they forget about how unreliable Ulysses' visions were? Plus, Captain Hydra has seen the vision too and would be prepared.

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HOLY SHIT THIS WAS THE WORST STORYTIME EVER. It took me an hour to get from the first page to the final page

>>92461299
FalCap back
And actually, a really cool way to weld stories together. The crossover in Astonishing Ant-man #3 payed off.

>>92461299
>AI HOLOGRAM Tony in a hoodie
Man, Spencer really did just write regular Tony while ignoring Bendis as much as possible.

>>92461355
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PlwDbSYicM&feature=youtu.be&t=13m35s

>>92461320
Who is this chick?
Also, funny how this issue came out on the same day as X-Men: Gold, where the writer went out of his way to treat the Serpent Society like D-List losers.

>>92461299
>Black guy hiding out in a divebar while the country's being taking over by Nazis...

BRAVO, SPENCE

>>92461320
>>92461342
>>92461355
>different artist from the rest of the issue
definitely an 11th hour addition

>>92461144
How much longer is this artist Marvel exclusive

>>92461144
It helps that the exposition dump helped me understand what the fuck was going on, because I didn't read the Pleasant Hill story.

This event could benefit from more exposition dumps, actually.

>>92461194
So who are these? Namor, Black Panther and... Taskmaster?

>>92461355
>>92461342
>>92461320
This really does have a "thrown together at the last minute" kinda feel.

>>92461320
>>92461342
>>92461355
AND HERE COOOOOOOOMES THE ASSPULL!

>>92461144
>"To protect you, I'm going to cut you into pieces and hide them."

This guy is the worst dad.

>>92461363
if only everyone would ignore Bendis as much as possible

>>92461299
>>92461320
So why did they switch artists with the last two pages from Sorrentino to Reis? Because that's seriously looking like "hasty rewrite" territory.

>>92460891
Eh. I don't give a shit about this one. Let's be honest, there probably should be more than on night nurse in the super hero world.

>>92461363

are you disappointed?

>>92461227
BLACKED

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>>92461355
Why do you hate Nick Spencer's twists, /co/?

>>92461281
What the fuck is wrong with Cho's head and body?!

>>92461414

Rod Reis was announced as being part of the series months ago.

>>92460935
One was life... One was death

>>92460913
This page is pretty baller!

>>92461414
>>92461538
Met Rod Reis at C2E2, and he let slip that he was doing more work in #3.

That sly devil...

>>92461538
Yeah, he was on issue 0 too...
I guess it feels like a last minute addition because it's so cliché, have some random girl chased down by villains for no reason only to have Cap swoop in to save the day.

>>92461107
It's annoying an AI is programed to be drunk

On the other hand, fuck Bendis.

>>92461511
If Nick Spencer directed The Sixth Sense, he'd do the "Bruce Willis is dead the whole time" reveal at the beginning of the movie.

>>92460948
>Spencer said he planned everything out well in advance

either it was another lie, or the guy who writes the solicits fucked up

>>92461355
And thus, the entire event and story was made pointless

>>92461647
I think the Baron Mordo stuff is happening in Doctor Strange's tie-in issues

>>92461124
why the fuck would hydra let a known hacker use a computer?

>>92461647
It's obvious that despite Spencer's claims, the event has been altered/changed. Spencer just doesn't want to admit it.

>>92461585
>>92461615

I wouldn't be surprised if hes on more of the book than what was announced at that point.
Spencer clearly likes working with him and having him involved in this story (he did the Civil War 2/Secret Empire book too, right?)

>>92461433
Crossbones, most likely.

>>92461433
>So who are these? Namor, Black Panther and... Taskmaster?
Xorn, not Taskmaster. That means one of the fragments is at New Tian and it's probably what will create the conflict between Hydra and Emma's X-Men.

>>92461723
It's a phone or something that he took off one of his guards. It's why he was executed.

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>>92461281
Why is the trained agent deliberately damaging her hand before an intense operation?

Bravo Spencer....bravo...

>>92461647
>>92461734
My guess, because all I can do is guess, is that this is how it was supposed to end but they got the new artist in to reveal the "good" Steve Rogers earlier.

There may be TWISTS to come but the last page is a way of saying "don't worry, it will all be OK somehow," which reassures LCS owners they need to buy their next shitty relaunch.

>>92461243
Miles, you little creep.

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>>92461511

>>92460843
holy crap I hate this art. what's going on with Clair's nose in panel 4????

>>92461299
Why would Sam stay quiet. Even if he is running an 'underground railroad' here, everything Spencer wrote about him in his own book suggests to me he'd be the first to strike back against Hydra.

>>92461480
>So why did they switch artists with the last two pages from Sorrentino to Reis?
Because it was a hasty rewrite shoe-horned in. The original ending to this issue probably had to do with Baron Mordo since this issue was supposed to be partially about him and he's nowhere to be found.

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>>92460740

Thanks, OP.

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>>92461355
so, which was the worse 'let's change our mind what we do in this event' moment?

>>92461340
they had a really high reliability rate though, the spiderwoman tie in had it at 100% for over 200 or so visions

So whose fucking dome with this event already?

>>92462057
Funny how in other books he was a LOT less reliable. Remember the briefcase?

>>92461281
>Oh no! The evil white Nazis have taken over America!
>Well, it's time for women and select men of only minority races to take a stand!

>>92461511
Because it killed the momentum the event had up to this point.

>>92462046
>implying this was a last minute change
>implying this wasn't the plan from the start
RIP was one big foreshadowing of Batman's death
Seven Soldiers revealed the Omega Sanction THE DEATH THAT IS LIFE doesn't actually kill you

>>92461194
Xorn, Namor, and T'Challa. I like this as a solid set up for the tie ins!

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>>92462046
I think FC was planned that way from the start, part of Morrison whole meta saga, with Bruce running through time.

Armageddon 2001 comes to mind.
Captain Atom was going to be the villain, it leaked, and they changed it in the last issue to be Hawk, despite the previous issue literally ending with Captain Atom looking ominous as shit.

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>>92461355
I may not LIKE what Spencer & Marvel editorial were doing but at least I'd respect if they stayed on course. Now this even is truly a giant bloated version of What If #44 by based Gillis.

So at the end of this will New Old Steve be fresh from WWII again? With lots of "Eye-phone? You have telephones made of eyes?!?" gags? Or maybe "Sam...you NEED to be Captain America because you ARE America for the 21st century!" with a pat on the back? I keep feeling they'll still want to downgrade his status to make their agenda characters appear prevalent.

Ah well...its fun to watch Marvel scramble to recoup.

>>92460729
Fucking hell, why can't they use art from other books for the mugshots? Taking it from this issue for characters that only show up in the background and group shots looks so damn cheap.

>>92462046
Morrison knew that Bruce would never stay dead, and that fact was a core element to his B&R run, this was planned from the word go.

>>92462046
Final Crisis at least waited till the end to do that as a cliffhanger.

I'd say Civil War II is worse in that they had Banner killed off and just a few issues later reveal the Old Man Logan future could happen, meaning Banner was going to come back and that story had less weight.

>>92462160
>major plot point resolved in tie-ins
joy

>>92460843
You're telling me that none of the mutants/inhumans/heroes still trapped in NY would be able to generate antibiotics or heal people?

>>92460787
And Vision has probably been hacked again. We still don't know why the Once and Future Thor is on Team Hydra though.

>>92462239
probably rused like the time Hitler rused him into being a Nazi

>>92462173
that's a god-tier cover

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>>92462251
>He wields Mjolnir, clearly he can be trusted

>>92461911
The (((nose))) knows, anon.

>>92461413
Hydra aren't Nazis. They wouldn't care about black people since they're human supremacists, not white supremacists.

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>>92462102
yes and and that's why it created conflict, they weren't 100 percent, lets not forget that they were correct enough that there was background chatter about expanding the program to be global because the success rate was so high. As well as the fact that Steve has no qualms about dying on those steps should the time come.

>>92462160
To be fair, we don't know that for sure, but even so, we're all on fucking /co/ reading most of these issues for free, and tie ins have been a part of events since Crisis on Infinite Earths. I'm buying the trade for Secret Empire because I've been enjoying the story, but let's also be real in that I'm probably gonna read the tie ins for free here

>>92460913
Based Kingpin, turning a profit out of the worst situation possible.

>>92462110
>Implying Spencer will let people who want to kill HIS BELOVED GLORIOUS EMPEROR to be in the right, not misguided morons to be stopped.

>>92460639
I know covers always lie, but this seems particularly egregious

>>92461355
Nice but where the fuck is he? Whose the blondie?

Cant wait for the cosmic cube partial reset.

>>92462325
>Hydra aren't Nazis
I swear to god, if I'll hear it one more time I'll become Marvel writer and write a story where Adolf Hitler personally travels back in time and teaches founding fathers of Hydra Nazism, meaning entire Hydra since ancient times were Nazis, just to spit you all!

>>92462495
shut the fuck up, me

>>92462173
Generations has two sam heads. One thats in his cap gear, other in his secret empire gear.

>>92462518
You Faggot is mad for some reason. Prep the bull for your wife cucky.

>>92460639
2/5ths of the people on this cover don't appear in this comic.

>>92460957
>Nighthawk
That's a pretty fucking random cameo. I mean, it makes sense that he'd be there, since he was doing the street vigilante thing in his solo, but it's just so weird since Marvel dropped all their Squadron Supreme stuff after that little halfhearted push.

Then again, Spencer has been using Hyperion in the space forces, so maybe he just likes the SS.

>>92461422
>Didn't read Standoff
I think this is why a lot of people like to bitch about Secret Empire, because they didn't Standoff. You should really check it out anon. It was received pretty well by /co/ when it came out, it just wasn't talked about that much because it was a Marvel run that some posters enjoyed, and the meme is that Marvel can't be enjoyable these days.

>>92460864
So....how did they get their powers un-flipped?

>>92462616
I don't think it was ever properly addressed after it was flipped, i want to say Slott touched up on it in spiderman but it was a while ago and i can't recall.

>>92461320
switching artists mid book is VERY distracting, transparently unprofessional, and I hate it! :(

Calling it, Miles and Widow are going to kill the good Cap

>>92462616
>>92462681
They were restored to normal when they were freed from Mr. Negative's control in an arc of ASM last year.

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>>92462607
>you need to read this to understand that
>the event cannot stand on its own

>>92461144
Didn't they say that it won't be a cosmic cube thing that made Cap hydra...?

>>92461355
no. no. no. no. no. No! NO!!!!! why did I even read this it's meaningless with no consequences at all. Fuck you marvel.....Fuck... You.

>>92462321
lol artist cannot into nostrils.

>>92462514
Even if you're complaining about it being a retcon.

In this particular story they are not Nazis. So regardless, they would not give two shits about some black guy. Now if he was also a filthy mutie or inhuman it would be a different story.

>>92461809
>Underestimating the power of psychological warfare
Natasha knows exactly what she's doing.

>>92462914
>In this particular story they are not Nazis.
>Burning books
>concentration camps
>Openly working with proud members of actual Nazi Party
>Fighting against Allies in WWII
Could have fooled me...

>>92462846
tricksy hobbits's

>>92461532
Andrea Sorrentino is not a good artist.

>>92461243
Just further proof that Miles needs to drop the Spider-Boy crap and get spy training under Natasha to become the Black Widower. With his stealth and OHKO it's the perfect role for him.

>>92463080
But that would be an interesting character development.

So.. Where is Thor in all of this? Like, real Thor.

>>92461299
>Cassie left the country
>No Stinger at all in this event

Booo

>>92462963
>Burning books
Not solely a Nazi thing.

>concentration camps

For non human entities.

>Openly working with proud members of actual Nazi Party

So did Japan.

>Fighting against Allies in WWII

So did Japan.

>>92461310
>CAN'T GET HIS DICK WET
What the hell are you talking about?

>>92463135
he's on the HydrAvengers

>>92463135

working for Cap's Hydra Avengers

>>92461300
Did you miss the page where Vision fucked with her head by muttering something in binary? It's pretty obvious she's not on Cap'n side by choice, Vision though, considering that Cap was the only current Avenger aside from Deadpool who didn't try to stop him when he went to kill Victor , maybe he's willing joined Cap.

>>92461329
It's heroes be villains, though. None of this portrays Cap as heroic, just effective. Like Vader.

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>>92461355
>>92460639


I'vE TOLD YA ASSHOLES!

>HYDRA CAP = ULTIMATE CAP!

>THIS CAP = OUR CAP!

MILES WILL FINALLY ACCOMPLISH HIS PROMISES OF KILLING ULTIMATE STEVE!

>>92460935
its hickman life and death bullshit all over again
this confirms that miles will once more ave the day

>>92463272
Or end up killing good Cap

>>92461532
He skips neck day

>>92463272
No you fool, this Cap is a time-displaced Steve Rogers, they'll do some cosmic cube fuckery to Rebirth Hydra Cap with Captain Rogers, then they'll get to do "Man out of time" again in time for Infinity War.

>>92462963
>>Burning books
What, you mean like the SJWs did with this comic?

>>92461169

>Hawkeye
>"we don't kill"

didn't he just fucking murder Banner like 6 months ago.

>>92461413
>Major figure in the resistance effort hanging out in the main hub of resistance activity between missions
What seems to be the problem?

>>92463359


nope, it was hinted SINCE battleworld ended

The cube didn't changed steve, it replaced him with someone who were closer to the HYDRA ideals, Ultimate cap Fit that perfectly, while our cap was displaced and sent to somewhere else

SINCE HE CAME BACK, HE STARTED TO ACT LIKE ULTIMATE STEVE ROGERS.

>>92463452
Keep reading, they bring it up.

>>92463359
They've stressed repeatedly how the event won't be resolved with the cosmic cube.

>>92461281
>>92461809
The question is, why cutting your hand, color a wall to make up a codename for your revolution cell?

>How could we name our base and little cell?
>yeah, red room sounds cool and rad
>to make it more mythical or prophetical let my blood spill it with my blood

That scene is just there to make it cool and cunning why its the red room.
But in the end is just unlogical, even in comicbook science. Maybe it would with deadpool.

>>92463452
Keep reading, that's precisely whe he's against it >>92461213

>>92463543
do you not know what the Red Room is?

>>92460762
When did Luke turn into Coach from L4D2?

>>92463508
You sound like you've never read any Ultimates.

>>92461250
Was anyone seriously expecting Cap to somehow not have a fuckload of excuses to absolve him? FFS, this whole event is basically an alternate reality what with the cosmic cube being the only thing that enabled it. There was no way Marvel was going to poison the well like that for an A-lister saddle Cap with more baggage than Scarlet Witch.

>>92461107
Is he different in the iron man book?

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>>92463142
>Not solely a Nazi thing

Why does that matter when they're still doing everything else associated with Nazis?

>for non-human entities

"They don't count as humans because I say so! Committing genocide is totally fine because they don't deserve rights to begin with!"

>So did Japan

Do you honestly think Japs weren't considered Nazis during the war? The racism that followed post WWII lasted fucking decades.

>>92463678
>Captain America
>A-Lister
Proving once again that the MCU was a mistake.

>>92461250
Isn't that generally how Hitler ran it? Hitler didn't control the Holocaust camps, he just delegated the work to others, but he was still a bad guy because he knew it was happening and approved of it and allowed it to happen.

>>92463678
Iron Man did some pretty fucked up shit in Civil War (granted, he never joined HYDRA), and Millar didn't give him any easy-way-outs. Even when Fraction mind-wiped him, he ended the arc with Tony reading about all the shit he did in Civil War, although, I don't remember anything coming from that.

>>92463759
Of course he is. It's Bendis. No one pays attention to anything Bendis does, not even Bendis pays attention to what Bendis does!

>>92463826
I remember posting that Spencer would go full "Hitler did nothing wrong" with this event on FCBD and here we are

>>92463780
Captain America has always been an A-Lister.

>>92463759
His point is that the body Tony AI seems to have is a hologram. Spencer gets around this by letting him control an Iron Man armor glove, effectively rendering the fact that flesh-and-blood Tony is incapacitated irrelevant.

Which makes the later scene of him wearing a hoodie hilarious.

>>92463890
No, he hasn't.

I can't read this shit it makes me too fucking mad

And then I can't properly judge it because I didn't read it

Is this as absolutely retarded as it seems?

>>92463973
Anon, even a DCunt like me knows he's always been an A-lister. Except in the 50s, but that was sadly the norm.

>>92461809
>>92461281
That's a lot of fucking blood she's losing there just for a "dramatic" moment. Her hand is gonna hurt like a bitch for weeks with a cut like that, plus the scar will probably get infected by rubbing it against the wooden wall of some shack.

>>92461299
>did used to be
I don't think that's correct

>>92463973
How delusional are you? He may not have been as popular as Spider-Man or the X-Men, but he was still a household name. His death after Civil War made it to the news.

>>92463993
just about
>Cap did nothing wrong
>Tony is a hologram wearing clothes for some reason
>Miles wants to be a killer and the Champions do too
>Kobik was split into shards, and Black Panther, Xorn, and Namor each have one (buy those tie-ins, true believers!)
>there's another Steve running around

>>92464040
it just looks a bit weird in writing, you wouldn't think twice if you heard it out loud

>>92460729
>Spider-Man
>but
>Hulk (AMADEUS CHO)

Why?

>>92461194
can't wait for Zemo to betray him and save the day

>>92460762
>>92460740
Oh shit, it's the artist from "Gladiator, You Are Gay". Everybody now lools like a drunk dad.

So how does Marvel think this event is going to end? Because at the end of the day, Captain America was a Nazi/Worked with Nazis and killed a ton of people. Like, they have tarnished this character the same way everyone remembers Hank Pym slapping Wanda and Iron Man being a horrible drunk. So they replace him with another Captain America? This just continues the trend that legacy doesn't mean shit in Marvel.

>>92464167
Because you can tell that's not Peter Parker because of the different costume. Chulk just looks like Hulk but smiling and The Miz's hair. Not as easy to differentiate.

>>92461263

I like how miles is already over everything and ready to just kill Steve

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>>92461734
They even had to add an extra issue yet again to try and salvage the mess.

>>92462404
He always finds a way to profit. Shadowland was a good example.

>>92464134
I guess so. Personally, I would have dropped the "did" just to be safe

>>92464104
>Xorn has a cosmic cube shard
How completely and utterly random.

>>92464322
Xorn is running the Independent Mutant State of Used-to-be-Washington

>>92463780
>>92463973
Here's your (You)

>>92463869
I'm not saying that Hitler did nothing wrong. I'm saying that Captain America is not innocent just because he didn't directly fire the bullet.

>>92464307
>not doing a HYDRA symbol on the chest and an H on the head
Okay.

>>92461281
where's nova?

>>92464366
It's literally just the Civil Warrior armor from that Contest of Champions mobage but recolered green and gold.

>>92464391
In space.

>>92464397
I'm just saying, if you're going to give him a new suit in HYDRA colors, you may as well go full HYDRA.

>>92463869
>Spencer says Hitler did nothing wrong
>Waid expects people to think of teen Cyclops as "Kid Hitler"

Why the focus on Hitler so much? Can't we have heroes compared to other war criminals? I know Hitler has the best IRL villain costume but there must be more options than just what's popular.

>>92464391
in the Cancerverse

or space

>>92464307
Thats another one for bingo right?

>>92464104
This shit is gonna get retconned so fucking hard by the cosmic cube it'd be making my head spin if I hadn't been expecting this limpwristed shit from the onset with yet another totally original event featuring a timeskip, good guys gone "bad" and heroes fighting each other.

>>92464391
Fapping to pics of Kamala

>>92464254
>Worked with Nazis
Who? Strucker isn't involved and Red Skull is kill.

To answer your question we'll find out that Hydra Cap was created entirely from scratch by Kobik and 616's Cap is the guy who just showed up and was trapped somewhere, probably Dimension Z.

>>92464437
there was a bingo?

>>92464421
Man! They could have had mutant Genghis Khan single-handedly repopulate the Mutant population by fucking every single woman in the world AND conquering a good portion of it simultaneously. He could have done what Magneto didn't!

Fucking Marvel!

>>92464491
I remember there being one. Usually there is a bingo for every major crossover or event.

>>92464491
There ALWAYS is a bingo for Marvel events.

>>92464468
>Who? Strucker isn't involved and Red Skull is kill.

Zola.

And Sin and Crossbones, I guess? They've kind of disappeared.

Was Faustus ever that deep into Nazism?

>>92464081
>His death after Civil War made it to the news.
Got a source on that?

>>92464468
>worked
>past tense

>>92461371

Seriously. I am having those exact same flashbacks to that damn event now.

>>92464528
ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS!?

>>92464508
>>92464517
well post that shit

>>92464346
How is Xorn back again anyway? Another thing Kobik changed? Wasn't he a ball of energy that got thrown in the sun or something the last time he appeared?

>>92464528
Holy shit you only started reading comics after 2010, didn't you.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=2934283&page=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQO9xk7bxNk

This was even long before the Disney buyout.

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>>92464597
I don't read X-men and I don't know why anyone would at this point

>>92464528
I read about it in the goddamn newspapers, and I live in Europe.

>>92464529
Red Skull wasn't a Nazi when Steve worked for him. He was just a terrorist.

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>>92464597
Long story short, Xorn had a brother.

>>92464553
So you don't have a source.

>>92464498
>mutant Genghis Khan
>massive orgy fest to repopulate mutants and become a new villain

I need this now. This is storytime GOLD

>>92464637
he worked for the Nazis during World War 2, you ding dong

>>92464611
That was like a decade ago, my man. Bendis' New Avengers, iirc.

>>92463839
Because Tony... is Tony. .
Captain America is Captain fucking America.

Check Your Privilege

>>92464639
MCU pandering happened
Inhuman Concentration camps happen
Somebody jobs to Captain Hydra.... Didn't that happen in the FCBD comic?
A hero joins Captain Hydra, I think that definitely happened, too.

>>92464650
If this is his brother, why is he in America?

>>92461253

Is this the only panel Herc has been in since his ongoing got cancelled? It feels that way.

>>92461355
Is this the real Cap then?

Remember, friends: if you don't like the story, you don't have to buy it. Pirate it and deny Marvel their money.

>>92464597
That was Xorn, Xorn's twin brother, who, in an elaborate ruse, posed as a Magneto that was posing as this Xorn. This Xorn is a good boy who didn't do nothing.

>>92461281
Did Scott Summers just go "Fuck the Champions" and refused to help the anti-Hydra resistance?

>>92464726
he was in talks with mags during bunns run, then came to be the governor of the inhumans during the IvX event

>>92464665
You'd remember if you weren't busy with preschool at the time.

>>92462325
>human supremacists
>leadership consists of mutated people, including a fucking squid that can't even speak normally

Hydra is so dumb.

>>92464346
>Xorn is running the Independent Mutant State of Used-to-be-Washington
Holy fuck my sides

>>92461355

I'm fine with this because I think the whole idea was retarded in the first place, and I'd rather they backpedal on it then let it play out.

Spencer should stick to funny books

>>92464671
And Cap did not work for him during that time, that one instance where he infiltrated the Nazi Party notwithstanding. Are you saying that because Red Skull supported the Nazis at one point he will always be a Nazi, even after he has dropped all pretenses of caring about the Third Reich and ceased practicing Naziism?

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>>92463839
Joining Hydra is way more cartoonishly evil than anything that Tony did. Wiping out the X-gene and causing tons of deaths as a result, and making the X-Men an even bigger target on the brink of extinction is also way heavier. Like what did Tony really do, outside of make a crazy Thor clone and lock some people up. One unintentional casualty, as far as I can recall. And if Pym gets more shit for slapping Jan than creating Ultron, Tony had an easy time coming back.

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>>92461342
>>92461355
My HOT TAKE is that these pages take place inside Steve's psyche. (which explains the art change) This grizzled Cap is actually his heroic personality that is trying to take back control of his mind from Kobic's corrupted, EVIL personality

So yeah, we're re-doing Superior Spider-man. Wew.

>>92464935
there's been MCU pandering

in this very issue, actually

>>92464935
Xemo hasn't saved the day. He killed a bunch of people, which is the opposite.

What tie-ins have even come out, much less portrayed Cap as more evil?

>>92462607
I might read it later, but an event should be accessible to people who haven't read other events.

As a Wandafag I hate "House of M" but at least all you needed to know was she went crazy and she's omnipotent now for some reason. No other reading is necessary.

>>92465051
the last USAvengers issue made Cap almost cartoonishly evil

>>92464948
Tony, go home. You're AI-drunk.

>>92465077
You're right. I had forgotten about that.

>>92461144
That seems like a little too much knowledge on the matter. I'm pretty certain that the only people on the planet who knew this full story were Cap and Elisa (and maybe the Krakken, to a extent). Rick would have to be able to read minds to get all this.

>>92465139
maybe Steve sent out a memo explaining what the fuck was going on

>>92464958
That would be interesting but hard to write for and well. Way more ways to fuck that storyline up than just having 2 Caps. Probably not happening

>>92463452
Under the influence of Bendis.

>>92464935
The first issue had Hawkeye rant about millenials.

>>92461263
It's already somewhat questionable for Miles to be so chill about killing captain America, but I can't help but chuckle at the team of teenagers enthusiastically volunteering to murder an american icon.

>>92460843
TYPHOID MARY CONFIRMED

>>92464933
>Trying this hard to remove Red Skull from being a Nazi
Sorry buddy, but literally everything Red Skull has done is either for Nazis or extremely nazi themed. Remember how he wanted to whip filthy mutants off the planet with his "S-Men." Or his weird white supremacist speech recently. Plus the Nazi imagery he's associated himself with all his existance. But sure, he doesn't call himself a Nazi anymore. Okay.

>>92464933
ha, we've already moved on to "Red Skull is not a Nazi"

this whole storyline is just a barrel of laughs

>>92462586
>so maybe he just likes the SS.

He seems to have read everything Gruenwald wrote with Cap & the Squadron Supreme.

But I don't think he LIKED any of it.

>>92463080
But he is a boy. Boy black widow spiders are tiny.

>>92464421
Hitler is low hanging fruit for "meaningful real life super villain that's still slightly in living memory."

>>92461281
I hate all these characters, i'm not reading any of this shit anymore.

>>92465608
That's so close to being C-men/Semen that I can't think it was unintentional.

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>>92461445
Weird. This guy does the same thing and anons say he's the best dad.

>>92461355
Nazy Cap is Ultimate universe cap, beard cap is 616 Cap he was actually stuck on Dimension Z all this time.

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>>92463272
>>92463336

Evil cap will be defeated but Miles will still have killed the 'good' Cap with Black Widow's help before realizing their mistake.

Miles will be tortured like Speedball was in CV1 & willingly turn himself in for it but before it can be sorted out Miles gets assassinated by an angry white man in the crowd who is supposed to represent Neckbeards/Gamergaters/basement dwellers.

In death Miles becomes the patron saint of Marvel's diversity agenda, everybody cries for him & Cap is forgotten about.

You're welcome!

>>92466138
>Miles accidentally "kills" the good Cap, but HydraCap stays
>HydraCap knew that there were always 2 Caps and he planned goodCap's return so that Ulysses' vision came true
>all part of the keikaku
top kek

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>>92463452
Literally nobody except Bendis thinks Hawkeye is a killer.

It's really weird. The way Spencer handles it seems the only way: imply that Hawkeye broke his no-killing rule to kill Banner and that made him even more against killing.

But that's never the way Bendis writes Hawkeye. He always makes him a gung-ho murderer. It makes no sense and I think it's one of those battles Brevoort just won't pick with him.

>>92466211
Bendis writes hawkeye with ultimate traits.

Wait what happened to McNiven?

This whole event I feel like I missed something.
Like, ok, I remember reading about Cap locking out the Ultimates and Alpha Flight, and taking over SHIELD, but I guess I missed the part where months passed and he took over everything?
What city was wiped out? Why? Etc?

>>92466287
they have like three artists on this to avoid delays

>>92466287
This is one of those events where they rotate artists so they can bring out ten issues in three months.

Civil War 2 and Secret Wars were their "let's have one guy draw it so it'll look good in trades." This is more like AxiS - they just want to get as much overpriced crap into stores as they can.

>>92466301
you missed #1, I guess, but the gap between "Cap reveals himself" and "Hydra controls everything" is still unfilled

>>92466301
Vegas was wiped out last issue because that is where the resistance was located. I'm not liking the event but it isn't that hard to follow.

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>>92464958

At this point? I'd actually be OK with this...

>>92466287
He's incredibly slow, so rather than run into a Civil War problem again they're probably spacing him out.

I just wasn't expecting it in the second damn issue

>>92466309
>>92466325
Fuck, I hate that practice, Sorrentino is a great artist don't get me wrong, but McNiven is a personal fav as long as he has a good inker.

>>92464468
Dr. Faustus is a white supremacist

>>92464958
I'd prefer it over there being two Caps and Hydra Cap is actually a fake.

>>92466434
616 Cap has been stuck in Dimension Z all this time. Hydra Cap is his clone by Zola that somehow escaped the dimension thinking he was the real Cap. Or either he is Ultimate Cap via Secret Wars.

>>92466268
If Bendis hand it his way, every legacy character would be replaced by his OCs.

>>92464104
To be fair Kamala's killed like 6 guys in secret warriors

>>92466211
>dingy gypsy
That's pretty racist of you Clint.

>>92464958
It'd be very weird for that to be Steve's inner world though. The previous scene didn't feature Captain Hydra, and the narration continuing from there isn't his either. Also, shouldn't he be facing Hydra in that case, rather than Serpent Society nobodies?

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>>92466517
>clones
>always clones

>>92466325
>Civil War 2 and Secret Wars were their "let's have one guy draw it so it'll look good in trades."

In Civil War 2's case it might've been the plan initially, but they ended up getting some other artists to draw those future sequences.

>>92461365
>Ultimates

I wonder if people are more willing to forgive Galactus rather than Cap.

>>92467177
I am, especially after today's issue

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>>92465185
In the first issue public schools are teaching that the Allies used the Cosmic Cube to cheat and win the war, and that Cap thinks he's from that parallel history. I'm surprised everybody else didn't put two and two together on their own.

>>92461342
>looks like he's reaching for her to take his hand
>>92461355
>pulls back and makes fists so he can say his name

https://www.dailydot.com/parsec/secret-empire-2-hydra-steve-rogers/?tw=dd

>>92467211
Why is that? Galactus ate planets.

>>92467292
well at least someone is calling out this bullshit, there's been a lot of dicksucking for #2 that I've seen

>>92466517

he IS ultimate cap, this shit is being Hinted EVER SINCE they "healed" him back

>>92466392
The sooner they get this over with, the better. The delays of Secret Wars were unbelievable.

>>92466138

the day this type of shit happens, will be the day when the mother earth itself will say ENOUGH and shake California out of existence with the Big one

>>92467489
but Marvel is in New York

>>92464007
She has Russian super soldier serum in her veins, it'll heal by the time the sun sets.

>>92461299
>Sam
Fuck, thought it was John Walker for a second.

>>92461169
Yikes. That makes total sense. Who is writing this?

>>92467413
can you post some specifics?

>>92461155
>>92461169
>>92461281

Oh I get it!!!! It's a metaphor for abortion! Thats what Secret Empire is really about! Pro-Life vs Pro-Choice!

Brava, Spencer! Brava!

>>92461179
Steve here reminds me of pre-fearbug Parallax Hal

>>92467710
of course he can't, it's just another crackpot theory meant to make Spencer seem like a better writer than he is

>>92467896
>pre-fearbug Parallax Hal
You're not the only one thinking of the Death and Return of Superman days.

>>92461179
They are blatantly teasing that this entire event is gonna get written out of existence as if it never happened.

>>92461253
Sorry to interrupt, but where is Tony's body again? Does HydraSteve have it?

>>92465504
Sounds pretty life like.
Most kids these days are taught to hate America and whites in general.

>>92467614
Me too, I got a little excited for a moment.

>>92464752
The Avengers.

>>92467977
What? Him "secretly being Ultimate Cap" would be some profoundly hack writing because there's zero hints to that anywhere.

>>92461355
Am I the only one who felt this was a dream sequence? Just random Serpent Society people, who happen to be old Cap enemies. I don't know, maybe it's the art.

>>92468332

Spencer is pretty much not acknowledging Bendises CW2 fan fiction

>>92465504
This seems dumb. Like shoehorning them in to make them important when they should be backseat characters.

>>92468019
Oh. So Spencer is trying to invoke the feel of comic stories no longer having stakes and real depth to them because we can hand wave any real world issues away as "this is comics, you shouldn't have any meaningful attachments to these fake people."

Really meaningful. Like a reverse Morrison.

>>92461320

REWRITE
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>>92460913
kek
based fisk

>>92460729
If you're going to storytime don't be a faggot about it.

>>92460935
who was just shot?

>>92465781
Miles is a short guy

>>92463766
>Do you honestly think Japs weren't considered Nazis during the war?
I think the US hated them more

>>92468539
It's almost like he's trying to make people quit reading Marvel. Maybe he's a DC sleeper agent and SE is his psyche trolling us.

>>92469076
For you

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>>92469203
He doesn't seem swole enough

>>92463127
>>92465781
>>92463080
Miles would be much better if anyone but bendis was writing him

>>92461281
>falcon
is that Sam?

>>92462046
Morrison planned this from the start, this wans't a change.

That said I rather have Morrison write a big Cap epic and then get him Omega Sanctioned into the past than the shit we got with Spencer.

>>92469485
no, it's illegal immigrant Falcon 2 or something

>>92463452
That was Banner, Clint actually loves Steve.

>>92469584
I mean that is pretty much what happened to Cap in Death of Captain America

>>92461250
TBQF the Chitauri thing alone is enough to get him thrown to the Kylnn or whatever intergalactic stronghold they have for Cosmic criminals considering the Chitauri wave killed some planets on their way to Earth.

>>92468491
The art change does make it feel like it.

>>92463577
Yes, apparently its a room with blood covered walls. These russians these days!

>>92464391
Sam is in space with Captain Marvel.

Rich was probably in the Cancerverse during this time or who the fuck knows.

>>92463272
>HYDRA CAP = ULTIMATE CAP!

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