Batman #23 Storytime

>>92454864
WHERE IS BUTTON

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Flash ad.

Oh jesus.

>>92454864
Give it too me straight. Did they remember Soule?

wait what happened to the button

>>92454864
Thanks for the story time, Norrin!

>>92454882
based thawne

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>tfw you found the biggest stick in the world[/spoiler]

>>92454882
Guess he really is gonna make Barry his son

>>92454991
kek

>>92454991
H E L L Y E A H

>>92455011
Poor kite man.

>>92455025
Guy Fieri sells kites in Gotham?

>>92454951
It's in the Flash.

>>92455025
Oh hey, that was actually some detective work. Checked a video, noticed perp wearing some new expensive jewelry and the checking out the origin of it.

>>92454882
IT WAS ME BARRY !! I WAS THE AD

>>92454991
>>92454999
>>92455011
KITE MAN! HELL YEAH!

>>92455052
heh

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>>92454947
Alfred puts up with a lot of shit
>>92454960
>that family painting
WO HO

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>>92454951
The Flash doesn't usually rip for a couple hours more.

Fortunate, since I'm at the limit of threads per IP address.

>>92454980
this a really well done page and everyone should appreciate it

>Alfred has to clean out Swamp Thing stains and dirt from out of the Cave, Car, and furniture

>>92454864
Is this Swamp Thing?

>>92454903
Is this supposed to be Alan Moore

>>92455038
that's useful

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Turns out I have one more storytime left in me tonight.

Superman: >>92455178

Thanks for reading.
Support the official release.

S to pay respects. So long, Bernie.

>>92455085
Damn...

>>92454971
whoa wtf Batman let's Swamp Thing know his identity?

ST isn't exactly the tip top Justice League guy you can trust with every secret

>>92455085
>>92455100
>>92455103
Woah.

>>92455100
>>92455103
I'm... not quite sure what I think about this. It was interesting, I'll give it that.

>>92455202
who's Swamp Thing going to tell?

>>92455202
Swamp Thing probably just knows. He is connected to all the plant life on Earth.

>>92454991
KITEMAN

>>92454999
>WeinWrightson tower

Nice.

>>92455202
Swamp Thing is connected to all plant life. He pretty much already knows everything that's happening everywhere in the world if it's something he needs to know.

>>92454882
>Running Scared.
I've always loved the names of the Flash arcs and this is no exception.

>>92455103
damn son...

>>92454903
King really has boners for Irish /lit/ references, well literature references in general. He also referenced an Irish rhyme in Bat/Cat issue.

>>92455202
Did you miss the part where he instantly knew someone's location cause grass told him?

>>92455025
how the fuck do you know one crocodile tooth from another from just a glace accross the room?

We clearly need more comics like this one
Didn't realise how tired I was from all this 3+ arks

>>92455025
now that King has written a story of Batman being an actual detective, what will Snyderfags have over the run?

>>92455281
shape and color, duh

even says he's tangled with the dude who has a bunch of them

or his cowl took a picture and he checked later

>>92454991
>>92454999
>>92455011
10/10 Kite Man: great villain or greatest villain?

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>>92454940
>I'm guessing you two are previously acquainted
Yeah, Alec wupped Batman's ass

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>>92455085
Always fun.

>>92454903
Yeah this is definitely Moore, even has typewriter.
>>92454911
84 is the year Moore began his Saga of Swamp Thing.

>>92455424
turning a guy into a tree is probably the most fucked up thing Swamp Thing ever did

>>92454991
>>92454999
>>92455011
King has become such a meme writer.

wheres the FUCKING BUTTON

>>92454940
>>92454999

>Alan Moore is Swamp Thing's dad and was living in a building named after his original cretaors

>>92455506
what's wrong with this issue?

Shit that was good. The ending hung a bit... maybe could've used a few more pages, but I feel that was intentional. I'm very happy with this issue.

>>92455555
Quints confirms it, we need more done-in-one issues.

>>92455245
Yeah okay but Batman seems like the kind of guy who would line his costume with some kind phytophagic mold just to make sure nothing so much as a cyanobacteria could peek under his mask. Not just fucking shrug his shoulders and let the M Night Shyamalan plot twist know where he lives.

Wow, I really liked this issue. Last couple of pages packed in a surprising amount of emotion.

>>92455103
There's the King's touch of 2deep4u that this title desperately needed. No seriously, this is awesome.

>>92455103
You know, a couple pages ago I was rolling my eyes thinking "oh boy, batman is getting pissy because swamp thing doesn't share his no kill rule", but holy shit that was actually really well done.

>>92455506
It would have been alright if not for that final "hell yeah" that pushed it to full on memery.

>>92455553
Nothing, issue is fine, I just don't appreciate this kind of cheap fanservice. My kind of fanservice is a character singing "My Wild Irish Rose" which this issue also had. I just think King is a writer above "Kite Man, Hell Yeah."

>>92455103
This was a really good issue

>>92455668
why is it cheap?

>>92455612
He has to take off his mask sometime, and there's plant life and mold everywhere.

>>92454991
WILL YOU FUCK OFF WITH THE KITE MAN ALREADY? FUCK YOU.

>>92455064
The painting is Snow Storm by J. M. W. Turner.

>>92455668
Honestly, I like this issue had something for everyone. It had Kite Man shenanigans for people who liked that, it had My Wild Irish Rose for people who like that and to top it off it was wrapped around a pretty good story.

Wish more comics were like this issue.

>>92454960
I wonder if Jason still gets butthurt about not being in the portrait.

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>>92455064
>>92455073
I think the painting is Snow Storm: Steam-Boat off a Harbour's Mouth by Joseph Turner

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>tfw no Swampy ongoing

I liked this and the Superman annual, and it nice to see him in Hellblazer (despite the writer's lack of knowledge of the new 52 run), but I really prefer him in his own title.

>>92455717
art was nice too.

I don't know about his ST characterization though. really slow speech and dehumanised dumb. More plant than man

>>92455695
Because it's an obvious low hanging fruit, because it's a fanservice without any intellect.

>>92455731
he was acting mate, didnt you read the ending?

>>92455731
>really slow speech
Well King is a Moorefag.

>>92455748
So you hate catchphrases then like "Booya" and "Up up and away" and stuff? Is that what you're trying to say?

>>92455761
he wasn't acting, he didn't suddenly drop the act and sound like recent Soule ST

>>92455775
see
>>92455085

>>92455775
He had slow speech, but he didn't seem dumb.

>>92454971
>disheartening
Understatement of the year Bruce "dedicated whole life to vigilantism and suffer forever" Wayne

>>92455770
If you don't think Kiteman is a meme character then you're out of you're mind my dude. He literally runs around saying his own name. He's in the fetal position scared half to death and all he can say is his catchphrase "hell yeah".

>>92455770
If they're done for meme or fanservice purposes, definitely. This is different. This is more a reoccurring gag done intentionally for fanservice purposes than a harmless catchphrase.

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>>92454882
Look what I found at lunch.

>>92455775
>>92455783
Have you read Moore's Swamp Thing? Slow speech was the way he spoke.

>>92455826
Did I not just compare it to recent Soule with more human Alec?

>>92455802
People repeat their names to themselves or a key phrase to themselves all the time.
It's called self-appreciation, people with insecurity and/or anxieties do it to ground themselves. Considering he's meant to play a large role in The War of Jokes and Riddles and have an entire issue dedicated to him, we're gonna gotta pay off and an explanation

>>92455840
You're conviently ignoring him breaking into song and switching to normal though.

>>92455817
thaaaaaawne

>>92455840
>more human Alec
Nobody cares about that shit or Soulless' ST mate.

>>92455853
SInging a song and then going back... into.. slow... Moore Speech

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>>92455850
>overthinking shitty fanservice

>>92455895
Soule's Swamp Thing was one of the best runs on the character. Better than Snyder's too.

>>92455915
>Z-list villain
>used as a pawn in Joker and Riddlers game
>constantly ridiculed for name and concept
>is going to get an entire issue dedicated to him
>not having confidence issues

See you at the Kite-Man issue. You'll see.

>>92455919
Yeah but only Moore's Swamp Thing matters.

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>>92455929
>because it has a backstory, shitty fanservice is no longer shitty fanservice
I don't understand your logic.

>>92455802
hes mentally ill

>>92455967
Its called set-up. It just so happens that the set-up happens to be jokey.

>fan service
Stop using that word. Meme? Sure. Its in no way fanservice though, Kite-Man has no fans

>>92455940
Soules counted them both as canon

>>92455997
>Kite-Man has no fans
People are fond of this meme shit and King has repeatedly put that in the book, to appease those meme loving faggots. That is by definition fanservice. Why are you so dense anon? Or are you just pretending?

>>92455940
You're making me sad. Soule's should get recognition and it is disappointing the the closest it has gotten is probably the current Cyborg comic.

>>92456050
>>92456028
nobody cares about that 6/10 swamp thing run you think is the hottest shit ever

>>92456028
>>92456050
It's a good run, King is a Moorefag, doubt he would care even if he read it.

>>92456067
I don't think it's the greatest ever, but it's a good run that deserves recognition

>>92455025
WELCOME TO FLAVORTOWN

>>92455103
>>92455100
>>92455085
>>92455073
goddamn this was so good. really channeling moore.

>I think that is my biggest problem with Batman in this issue and Tom King's Batman in general...he's just not that good at being Batman. He may not get the shit kicked out of him in this issue, but after confronting the killer, Swamp Thing goes ape on him and makes Batman look like a trusting fool. I hate seeing Batman look like a trusting fool!

>I think that Tom King was more worried about making a thinking persons issue than a Batman issue here. Batman came off as an idiot and Swamp Thing was just a dick. I can deal with the later, but Batman was just off. I'm sure some will give this issue top marks only because it's a cool teamup, but I actually wish this remained shelved until the next Batman Annual or forever. I would have rather got the Bane aftermath issue this week.

>On paper, this issue should be a sure fire hit. Batman and Swamp Thing? Batman and Swamp Thing! Unfortunately, Tom King gives us a Batman who also seems more concerned for his own philosophy on life and death than anything else and is just not good at being Batman. Mitch Gerads art is good, but this issue felt like an Annual story than a standalone issue.

http://www.weirdsciencedccomics.com/2017/05/batman-23-review.html

I fucking hate modern Batfag audience. Mid-late 80s to early 90s Batman was having all his philosophical crises every other week and they are some of the best Batman stories. But all modern Batfaggots care about is muh Batgod wankery. Seriously these people need to fuck right off.

>>92456209

Batman can have his life crisis and still do his damn job. I agree with the guy.

>>92456209
>I hate seeing Batman look like a trusting fool!
I-what?

>>92456251
>Batman can have his life crisis and still do his damn job.
He did, he solved the case and caught the guy. You're just as much of an idiot as the reviewer.

>>92456301

He trusted ST to not be emotional and enact revenge, all because he wanted to hear more about his father and mother. He didn't study all the angles.

>>92456050
Whoa, Cyborg is using the Parliament of Metal?

>>92456209
The only part I agree about is the Bane aftermath. Why wasn't that this week?

>>92456330
>MUH BATGOD DON'T MAKE NO MISTAKE REEEEEEEEEEE
So you're one of those, alright then.

>>92456381

Are you going to say "Batgod" to everything? It was a rookie mistake.

CHAPTER 786

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>It's a nine panel-grid episode

I feel weird that Swampy has a father and isn't a plant now.

>>92456209
He's actually right. Batman has been an incompetent fool since Rebirth started.

>>92456402
Because Batman is empathizing with Swampy on an emotional level. Because this is also very close to home with Batman's own subconsciousness. Fuck off Jim, you shouldn't even be allowed to post your shitty opinions on Tumbler.

>>92456462

Batman empathizing with ST loss should be a big warning sign that ST would probably attempt to kill his father's killer, since that's probably what BM'd do in his rage. BM, though, was more interested in his own vain pursuits.

>>92456447
I dont think he has a human form anymore

>>92456452
He's talking about this story, an individual issue detached from the previous stories. That shouldn't matter if you want to articulate the merits of this comic objectively.

>>92454903
>>92454911
do you think the film motif is a homage to cinema purgatorio?

>>92456209
This issue is immediately following the events of The Button where Batman met his dad from an alternate timeline and then lost him all over again. Batman is off his game because of that, the ending of this issue made that clear.

>>92454938
No one gives a damn about Soule.

>>92456483
Did you not read my second point? Also they're not exclusive. Also Batman is deep down an idealist, him choosing to believe in good of the others is very much a core concept.

The art was really nice this time. It's weird since I wasn't really a fan of Gerards' work on Sheriff.

>>92456489
But he's Alec now.

>>92456587
yeah but i think his human body/form is just gone. Like he is the mind of alec but he has no human bits left.

>>92456333
Machine Queen had a appearance on a monitor and the robot villain has been hearing voices from a mystery female god figure. The appearance is a very small nod and the rest is just hope.

>>92454980
Even though he's fictional, I just realised what a mess it would be for Alfred to clean a giant mansion everyday by himself. I cannot even keep my small apartment tidy.

>>92455025
Guy Fieri?

>>92455295
King had a few one shots as well, and like King, those were better than his long arcs.

>>92456777
Shit, I meant Snyder had a few one shots.

>>92456646
Realistically only a small portion of the mansion would be regularly occupied, so it wouldn't be much worse than cleaning a large house. The unused portions could have their furniture covered, meaning that the occasional dusting and vacuuming would suffice. The real issue would be the landscaping, which would probably require an entire crew at least once a month.

Damn, this was what a King's Batman run should've been. The only problem is, that out of context this wouldn't come off as that good. If I didn't read this anon's post >>92456512, it would've been a meh from me too, since I wasn't following his run.

>>92454882
I hope Zoom comments on the fact that Little Wally has also somehow gotten red lightning just like his.

>>92455052
>>92455064
>>92455073
>>92455085
>>92455100
>>92455103
This was really great. Overall, a really good issue. I think this was the only one of king's batman run I truly enjoyed and felt engaged with.

The repetition technique, in particular, worked pretty well for me here. Much better than it's implementation in prev issues like the break into santa prisca. Maybe the art? Maybe the emotional weight? Idek, all i know is it seemed to work better here.

>>92457205
>Maybe the emotional weight?
I would say this. The poem actually meant something, rather than "I'm going to break your damn back", which meant nothing.

>>92457205
The repetition was:
The father singing it
Swamp Thing singing it to himself
Swamp Thing singing it to the killer

It repeated under different circumstances and different meanings each time creating a different emotional impact. And that's why it worked.

My wild Irish rose is a pathetic plastic paddy song. Why not use a real Irish Ballad?

>>92454960
Could anyone get rid of the speech bubble on this? I fucking love this image.

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>>92455064
very nice

>>92454960
get fucked jason

Fuck me that issue was fucking great. King Swamp Thing series maybe?

I read all of new 52 Batman but only read through the first Gotham and Gotham Girl arc in Batman Rebirth.

1. Is it worth continuing? It seemed meh at best compared to court of owls.

2. Is it too late to get caught up? Im a bit of a 1st print snob.

>>92457807
It seems to be getting better. Bane was ok. I think you'll actually be a lot better off by not waiting a fortnight between issues.

>>92455011
Why are people okay with Batman beating up and terrorising people who clearly need help?

>>92457847
Ok... and does the watchmen thing actually come into play? I know that was kind of the big set up for the whole rebirth reboot across the entire comic line.

>>92457853
hurr fucking durr that's been his M.O. since his inception

>>92457853
why are you acting like a bitch?

>>92457873
Outside of The Button event, no.

>>92457873
Outside of the Button crossover it hasn't come up at all

>>92457893
>>92457894
Well then what was the point?
They made it seem like it was going to be a huge fucking deal, didn't they?
Wasn't it their excuse to draw people into the rebirth lineup?

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>>92457924
The watchmen thing is a long-term thing/endgame/final boss material. They're planning on dragging it out for years I believe

>>92457476
They are Americans from Louisiana not Irish. How did you think this took place in Ireland?

>>92454911
yeah that's alan moore

gh

>>When CBR connected with Tom King and Mitch Gerads to discuss this week’s Batman #22, which features a monster team-up with Dark Knight and Swamp Thing, DC Comics’ public relations team stipulated that no questions could be asked about the title’s ongoing ‘The Button’ crossover with The Flash.

>>We’ve learned since the interview was conducted at the end of last week that the epilogue for this week’s The Flash #22 features revelations about DC’s Rebirth connection to Watchmen, the watershed limited series from the 1980s that christened an era of grim-dark storytelling in comics.

>>Fair enough. But we did discuss the massive influence of another famous Alan Moore work, Saga of the Swamp Thing, as it relates to their stand-alone issue of Batman and King and Gerads also shared their thoughts on another major inspiration for their story, titled playfully ‘The Brave and the Mold,’ Frank Miller’s runs on Batman and Daredevil.

>>The creative team, who previously collaborated on the critically acclaimed Sheriff of Babylon, also teased their upcoming series Mister Miracle, which King called “the most ambitious thing that I’ve ever tried to write.”

>>CBR: I promised I wouldn’t ask you about ‘The Button’ storyline in Batman and The Flash, but as we await the full-blown arrival of the Watchmen, we’re here to speak about another character that Alan Moore did fantastic work on and that’s Swamp Thing. Are you a fan of his run on Saga of the Swamp Thing?

>Tom King: Not as a kid. Thank God, I didn’t. I’d be even more warped than I am. [Laughs] I read Watchmen way too early. I was probably 10 or 11 when I read it, but I came to Saga of the Swamp Thing in my twenties. When I knew I was going to write comics for a living, the first thing I wanted to do was read all of the best issues of comics so that’s when I really got into Saga of the Swamp Thing.

>>92454940
what in the fuck

>>92458048

>Mitch Gerads: Like Tom, I came to it in my twenties not when I was a kid. What I do remember as a kid is loving the terrible Wes Craven movie, and the even more terrible cartoon.

>King: There are runs that I love. I love Scott [Snyder]’s run but to me, one of the reasons that I would think Swamp Thing would be so hard to write is because he is one of those characters that has something definitive done about him. The Alan Moore stuff is just so perfect. It’s hard to get away from that iteration of the character. When I close my eyes and think of Swamp Thing, I think of Rick Veitch and Alan Moore. I have a Rick Veitch page that hangs above my desk that I am constantly looking at. No one drew him better than Berni [Wrightson] but to me the Alan Moore is where it is.

>Gerads: I loved Yanick Paquette’s Swamp Thing run with Scott Snyder. Yanick is amazing. And that was what I was going to use as the visuals cues about the character and then, I started the issue a couple of days before learning of Berni Wrightson’s passing. I was at my desk when the news broke on Twitter and I was sitting there drawing Swamp Thing. And from that point on, it became a lot more Berni influenced. I got out the Berni books and printed off some Berni pages and stuff.

>>Both Batman and Swamp Thing can be extremely dark characters. They both have moments of light but overall, a lot of their time is spent in the shadows. I don’t want to spoil too much but there is a two-page spread in this issue that shows Bruce Wayne and Alec Holland sharing a moment – and a cup of tea – in the study at Wayne Manor with Alfred frantically sweeping up behind Swamp Thing that filled me with such joy, it’s one of my favorite comic book scenes in some time.

>Gerads: I laughed maniacally the whole time that I drew that two-page spread.

>>92454960
is that ace the bat-hound?

>>92458063

>King: That’s what makes working with Mitch so fun. I knew that if just put the most crazy Swamp Thing in the most quotidian place that I could that contrast would create something that you hadn’t seen in comics before, especially the way Mitch drew it. And that’s exactly how it came out. It’s hilarious and normal yet deep. I felt I just needed to put as little words as possible on those pages. People just had to look at the art.

>>And they’re drinking tea, right?

>King: Yes, Bruce is drinking tea and Swamp Thing is drinking his own sap. He’s drinking himself.

>>As you would. [Laughs]

>King: I’m such a subtle metaphorist. [Laughs] At the time, he’s talking about how life and death are all about change and he is literally consuming himself to make more of himself. It’s a metaphor, but it’s a silly one.

>>This isn’t a spoiler as the story for this stand-alone is revealed in the preview. And it’s something that Bruce Wayne, sadly, knows all about and that’s the death of Alec Holland’s father. Can you talk about these two characters now having that connection?

Great issue, possibly the best one in King's run. Loved Batman giving Alec shit at the end for killing a man in cold blood after all he said earlier in the issue about how dying is simply going back into life.

>>92454980
>Alfred cleaning that shit by himself

>>92455085
>his weird breathing pattern suddenly stops

>>92455100
batman can eat a dick

>>92458067
Yes it is. He was introduced in the Annual last year in a pretty neat short story that is now nominated for an Eisner.

>>92455103
batman is the worst fucking character ever

>>92457939
like 1 more year

Thanks, OP.

>>92455038
>>92455185
not even batman can equal that level of surveillance, and that was a plot device in this weeks teen titans comic.

>>92458136
Swamp Thing was being a hypocrite.

>>92458076

>King: That’s the heart of the book, this idea of two people dealing with their fathers’ death but dealing with it in two completely different philosophical ways. For Batman, he sees his father’s death as this epic moment that can never be undone whereas Swamp Thing sees death as a continuum of the Green and part of life. He sort of relaxed about it. In some ways, they are sort of a crooked mirror of each other. And this issue shows how they react to each other. And while these are their views, but maybe their views are a little bit deeper than that. Maybe that’s just the surface and underneath that, maybe there is something even more true. That’s what the issue is about. And that’s why we start with them both presenting their views on what it’s like to have a father dying. And then we start digging and chipping away at that to see if what you say about death is what you feel about death… plus a lot of comedy.

>>I’m glad you mentioned comedy, because not only do we get Swamp Thing in this issue, we also get more Kite Man! What’s with your obsession with Kite Man, Tom? Something is not right.

>King: [Laughs] Originally, he started off as a tribute to Frank Miller’s Stilt Man in the Daredevil run. I loved that run, and I love how Stilt-Man always came back throughout it. But now we’re getting deeper into Kite Man and he’s going to get a solo issue of Batman. It’s coming up, and it explores his origin. You’re going to see that there is more to him than just kites. Maybe it’s just kites… but they’re amazing kites.

>>Mitch, honestly, were you more excited to draw Swamp Thing, Batman or Kite Man?

>Gerads: That’s a tough question. I was definitely got super excited when I was reading the script and I got to the Kite Man part. I crack up every time one of those scenes plays out. But to answer the question, I have to say Batman. I love Batman.

>>92455038
>Welcome to the team New Robin

>>92458188

>>Like Swamp Thing, is there a definitive Batman artist than you looked to for inspiration?

>Gerads: I don’t know if there is a definitive Batman. When I think of Batman, I think a lot of what I think about comes from Batman: Year One. I’m pretty obsessed with that book. I read it all of the time. But I think a take in a lot of different things when it comes to Batman. I would love to do something with Batman still in continuity but I would also like to do something very dark. I have a Batman: Black and White issue in my head somewhere.

>King: Let’s do it! After the other thing.

>>Tell me about the other thing. Is it more Batman?

>King: We’re working on the most ambitious thing that I’ve ever tried to write right now. We haven’t announced it yet. I have hinted it about it on Twitter, maybe. [Laughs]

>>Yes! So we are getting a Mister Miracle series!

>King: [Laughs] I have no idea what you’re talking about.

>Gerads: I will say, no matter what it is, that it is completely not what you are expecting.

>King: But now I regret that it’s not Batman: Black and White. We can start over. [Laughs]

>>In Batman #23, we return to the Bane storyline that really started with your run on the title, Tom. Will you return to the Batman and Swamp Thing story at some point, too?

>King: The story doesn’t complete itself. It leaves a question open and we’d like to revisit that but what Swamp Thing does to Batman in this issue and the pain he releases in Batman pays off over the next year and goes right into what ‘Jokes and Riddles’ is about. In that way, the story continues.

>>92455085
any botanist reading this? I'm wondering if that's an irish rose blooming out of his eye.

probably not, but it'd be proper poetry if the artist thought to get that level of detail.

>>92458188
I like that after all this zen hippie faux-spiritualism Swamp Thing kept spouting throughout this issue, he was ultimately revealed to be a complete fraud.

>>92456618
And contrast that with his characterization in the ST ongoing and it seems like he has become more distant and less human (more Dr. Manhattan-ish) in his attitude and view of the world/life.

>>92455103

That was a weird, but cool issue. Manages to do funny and melancholy in equal measure.

>>92455731

Alec didn't get in touch with his human anger until he found the killer.

Until that point, he didn't realize what he'd do, he just knew that he had to find him.

>>92455731
I think that was part of the point, he was trying to hide his anger and sadness of his father's death but when he finally found the killer he couldn't contain it any more and just fell apart, killed a man and started talking about his dead father.

This was a really nice issue, nice team up, decent detective work, the only thing its missing is Poison Ivy fangirling over Swamp Thing

>>92455281
Detective Vision

>>92455052
>headhunter
jesus fucking Christ thats and obscure refrence, gotta respect that

This is a very...human...issue, if that makes sense
I liked it a lot, thanks OP

>trust issues: the character
>instantly trusting a giant swamp monster

King keeps fucking up Batman just like in the issue where he just reveals himself to schizo gotham girl

>>92458722
But Batman and Swamp already knew each other.

Well done, King, that was a good issue. (

And, please keep away from the Snyder school of writing with lasers and dinousours)

>>92458946
>keep away from fun and interesting stories otherwise I can't act pretentious while reading comics about a guy dressing like a bat

What did the Morrisonfag mean by this?

>>92458993
>Morrisonfag
I think you mean Millerfags, Morrisonfags embrace that shit

>>92458993
>>92459085
maybe it's time to acknowledge that Snyder's run is just poorly done, regardless of the actual content, without trying to tear down others.

>>92459085
>Miller
>pretentious

lmao, go back to your hypercrisis thread

>>92458256
it is

>>92454911

Chapter 2? Where was chapter one?

>>92459085
Morrisonfags are the epitome of pseudo intellectual capeshitters.
t. a Morrisonfag.

>>92459645
>>92454903

>>92454903
Haha King you madman

>>92455719
He has his own big portrait in the manor. He will be fine.

Btw, what happened to Dick being confirmed to be 13 when he was robin in this issue?

>dude kite man lmao

>>92454991
>>92454999
>>92455011
H E L L Y E A H

>>92459713
The mention of Dick sneaking out here >>92456770 is what Rich was referring to. No age was mentioned though.

>>92459766
>silly retarded silver agey stuff is only fine when Morrison does it because he is winking at you with his hamfisted writing

What did the Morrisonfag mean by this?

>>92455103
Who was in the wrong?

>>92454999
Maybe interrogating someone during free fall isn't the best idea

>>92459783
Defending Scott Snyder by calling Morrison's writing hamfisted doesn't really help your case.

>>92459843
both of them

>>92454991
Kiteman... Hell yeah.

>>92460217
Swamp Thing, he basically made Batman an accomplice in a murder plot

>>92454991
>>92454999
>>92455011
>>92455011

How fortunate we all are for being born in this time to witness how a legend has been born

HELL YEAH!

>>92459713
>He has his own big portrait in the manor. He will be fine
He does?

>>92455245
>>92455227
>>92455202
How come he doesn't know who the killer is without batman?

>>92460366
Yep. I have the panel, but I unfortunately can't post it since the board is suffering from problems.

>>92458256
from what I've googled all three of the flowers growing out of his face come from ireland and yes to my very limited 2 min research the eye flower does fit the bill for an irish rose

>>92454864
A self contained story, thanks King. Shit like this and rooftops is what I want. Not shit like I'm suicide I understand the introspection but shit gets tiring during multiple issues.

>>92460416
Is it the page from Secret Origins?

>>92460416
If you are referring to what I think you are referring, then yeah. Jason has nothing to be upest about since Bruce has a big portrait of him.

>>92459783
Because Morrison is not shit like Snyder and can execute his Plots properly.

>>92457975
The song is Irish American.

This is a good issue. A very, very good issue.

King has steadily been finding his footing on Batman. Since the Bane arc the quality has just kept improving. Hope it keeps up.

>>92455817
HEY EVERYONE I'M PICKLE NIC

>>92459121
>>92459121
Some of it, but you are blind, ignorant, or a liar if you say Death of the Family wasn't entertaining as fuck. Court of Owls was pretty cool. Seed man or semen sucked.

I love this.

Is the rest of King's Batman this good? Haven't been reading and only grabbed this one because I'm a massive Swamp Thing fan.

I haven't read any Batman since Morrisons's time on RIP and the follow up. Am I missing anything good?

Also did we ever learn the identity of Damien's rival in #666 and whatever happened to the entire room full of Damien clones when he was getting spinal surgery Talia showed everyone?

New Swamp Thing ongoing fucking when?

>>92460949
no to Damian's rival, one of the clones kills Damian at the conclusion of the arc

if you missed the rest of Morrison's run, you should definitely finish it. Batman and Robin is the best part of the run.

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>>92457599
For you.

>>92460879
Snyder's run is pretty much like Lost. It was popular and entertaining at its heyday, but due to shit ending(s) and a lack of emotional impact, it will not last the test of time.

>>92454864
good issue

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>>92460879

>>92460879
Death of the Family is probably the worst arc of Snyder's whole run, it's bafflingly retarded. Every character is a moron and his joker is awful.

>>92461271
Go back to ebaums.

>>92460949
The Third Batman Michael Lane (who briefly becomes Azrael pre-FP)

The Dragon? The Devil aka Dr. Hurt.

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>>92457599

>>92461427
Nice work!

>>92455103
This was actually fucking great. I'm glad to see this desperate pleading side of Bruce and it's always a pleasure to see Swarp Thing show some emotional range. I love how his monologue about lofe being the same as death is presented as an objective truth of reality but death is also shown to be the callous and uncontrollable thing that it is and that those two truths are not mutually exclusive

>>92454991

KITE MAN

>>92461854
Batman.

>>92455038
We need the last two panels for a reaction image.

>>92461104
Thanks Norrin.

this was actually a fairly good issue. had to read a hardcopy because I refused to not be able to point out the beauty of
>>92454895
muh timmy

I wanted to comment this at 8 in the fucking morning when this piece of shit site was being a piece of shit.

>>92455052
Why kind of a stupid question is that? He needs a car for transport.

>>92458270
Yeah, but this issue shows he obviously retains some of his core humanity.

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>>92454864
Now this is what I was expecting from King when he took on the Rebirth Batman. My only complaint is that the story in this issue is WAAY too compressed. Too much stuff begging to be explored further. Even the 3x3 grid wasn't enough to stretch the story.

>>92463381
Swampy is just attempting to start a conversation, and being an awkward guy, starts with an awkward question.

>>92463381
Batman obviously doesn't NEED a car though. He can get around the city just fine

>>92458136
>basically promises Bruce he won't kill him
>killing is literally the worst act a man could ever commit according to Bruce
>Alec kills him anyway
>tells Bruce he doesn't know anything about losing family
>Bruce chimps out
>Alec fucking dips to avoid confrontation
What about this is hard for you to understand?

>>92463650
I thought it was just enough time to tell a small contained story personally. Swamp Thing is just the type of character to pop in and out of people's lives and the finite/incomplete nature of this chapter captured that. The reader is left hanging because there is no answer. Leaves potential for the future but also serves as an ominous emotional cord to end on

>>92464149
Sure, buddy. He can jump on the rooftops just fine. But first he would have to run from the cave to the city.

>>92464258
he could have someone build a teleporter and just use that

>>92460473
>Bruce has a big portrait of him.
Was that the freakishly large one of Jason stood next to a bike?

>>92464258
he has planes and helicopters and boats and motorcycles

>>92464279
>>92464304
So basically the gist of the dialogue is this:
-Why do you have a car, when you can traverse much faster using other means?
-Why do you have a body, when you can be one with the Earth and be everywhere at once?
-Lel.
-Lel.

That's incredibly stupid. So they both acknowledge that they could have gotten to the Headhunter much faster, but they don't do that just for lulz. I mean it's just a guy who killed Alec's father, there's no hurry, right? Why hurry, when you can enjoy some comfy banter at a leisurely speed?
I'm sorry, but the page just doesn't make sense in the context of this issue.

>>92455103
Is there a writer that does 2deep4u better currently than Tom King?

>>92457446

What was the emotional impact of each one of them? I don't get it

>>92464562
>So they both acknowledge that they could have gotten to the Headhunter much faster, but they don't do that just for lulz.
Swamp asked why he had a car because he didn't know.

He uses it to get around. Swamp Thing can't get anywhere on Earth, otherwise he'd just appear out of the door in his dad's place instead of crawling through a tiny portal..

>>92457630

What is this painting about? Even Joker like it

>>92456154
>really channeling moore.

Why?

>>92457446
Too unintelligent here, what emotional impact came to be for the different repetitions?

>>92455103
I enjoyed this issue, but the ending really confused me.

>>92454882
Wait. Thawne just got killed by Doc Manhatten. How is he back already?

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>>92455038

>>92465787
we /pot/ in here now

>>92454991
KINO

>>92455103
> My father… You…don't understand…

Real fuckin' swift, Alec

>>92455011
Fuck yeah.

>>92455052
>Batman smiling
Feels good

>>92454882
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJerFXbUrNA

>>92455103
Damn. Why does Bruce take the loss of his parents so much worse than guys like Clark, Hal, or Barry?

>>92465411
You niggers really don't read comics do you.

>>92456209
Batgod is a false prophet

>>92467113
Batman's parents were killed intentionally and he watched them bleed out in front of him as a child

Superman never knew his birth parents and was an adult when the Kents died

Hal's dad was an accident and he died technically out of Hal's sight

Barry broke the universe because he couldn't get over the death of his mom

>>92455098
I fucking love Thawne's memes

>>92454960
So is Jason the one missing from the portrait?

>>92467660
Yes.

>>92467113
he just came back from the Flashpoint timeline where he had to say goodbye to his father again

his parents keep dying over and over, how can he get over it

also Barry personality was already formed and created before they retconned his story and introduced the murdered mother stuff

>>92464920
>Father
Resignation to his fate
>Swampy to himself
Grief over his father's death
>Swampy to Headhunter
Revenge or vindication

>>92458993
Wanting to see the "World's greatest detective" doing detective work is pretentious?

Eat a dick

>>92468543
Snyder's Batman did detective and forensic work.

Morrison's Batman did meme detective work a la shitty english detective novel

>yeah I noticed this coincidence therefore my retarded assumption is this, oh look it turns out right!

>>92468750
Snyder's Batman went beep boop on his computer

>>92468891
>real detective work
that's what I said

>>92460560
Song the song makes even more sense to use rather than that dumb anon's opinion. Good to know.

>>92465411
He brings up how he's been killed twice already.

>>92460398
Were there plants in his dad's room?

>>92454991
BIIIIIIIIIRDMAN! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRjFT4mm3IA

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>>92465059
Francis Bacon's Picture With Meat

Is an artistic decompositon of Vellezquez Portrait of Pope Innocent X

Bacon was obsessd with this picture so he painted it again several times trorturing and humiliating the Pope

>>92455085
That is metal as fuck

>>92454903
Anyone else read this to the tune of "With A Little Help From My Friends"?

Once again King demonstrates his strength lies in writing understated stories with small scopes... unfortunately making him a poor fit for DC's flagship book just like Snyder.

>>92454903
I understand that King is intending to tribute Moore with the 9-panel grid (despite Moore's Swamp Thing being famous for its unique, free-flowing layouts) but I hope that this also represents him realizing the inherent superiority of the format for storytelling in comics. Moore didn't just arbitrarily pick it, comic artists knew about this for decades and it ironically went out of style from Moore using it because people didn't want to copy it.

>>92454960
It's nice when people remember Titus.

>>92454991
Kite-Man is guaranteed to end up having some big part to play at the end of this run.

>>92455025
It's a little thing but I love the inclusion of the criminal wearing a Superman shirt. A bit of irony often seen in real life.

>>92455038
The image in the background here is the official Gotham map created for the Nolan films, which is an odd choice considering the one made in the 90's has been the definitive one ever since. I'm sure it was chosen for its stylistic superiority and so they wouldn't have to draw a new image.

>>92455064
The painting is very famous, "Snow Storm: Steam-Boat off a Harbour's Mouth". As far as I can tell the painting doesn't really have any significance to the story. The painting is actually, if you would believe it, most famous for the harsh critical reaction to it, to which the artist once said "What would they have? I wonder what they think the sea's like? I wish they'd been in it", basically him saying that because they weren't there they can't criticize it. So I wonder if this is supposed to be King responding to critics somehow?

Anyway great issue, hope we see more like this and fewer drawn-out arcs.

This was actually great. King should be writing a Swamp Thing ongoing, this kind of thing fits his style way better than the action movie stuff.

>>92457205
>>92457446
It's interesting, thinking back to King's previous use of repetition in his Batman, noting which ones work and which don't.

The rule of threes applies with Rooftops, of Selina talking about their night together is "a diamond...It shines" where she gives a monologue near the start, which is repeated in narration at the end of the first issue going into the sex scene, and last as Bruce loses consciousness falling off the balcony before being saved by Selina.

Back when Rooftops part 1 was released, only the first and second repetition were used at it fell flat.
Yet, if one reads both parts as a single story, the repetition gives the climax an extra push.

I theorize the reason "Break your damn back" didn't work in the second part of I Am Suicide, was the lack of meaningful connotation, and the over-use. Though it coming back in the last issue was a good kick.

Speaking of, "You are happy. You are brave. You can always stop." is exchanged back and forth (or attempted) in three scenarios in I Am Suicide.

Bane to Psycho Pirate (instructing him on what he wants to feel)
Bane to Batman (Asking him to allow the Psycho Pirate to heal his trauma)
Batman to Bane (Warning about going after him once he escapes with the Pirate.)

>>92476102
The trilogy of "I Am"s definitely benefit from being read as individual graphic novels instead of monthlies.

King's writing is very thematic and full of POTTERY, and he tries to fit some of it into the beginnings and endings of single issues, but it works so much better when read as one whole piece.

Oddly, his Vision was really great at ending on cliffhangers, and overall it was just a much better serialized story than his Batman has been, which is kind of ironic when his whole 12 issues fit so well as a single maxiseries/graphic novel while Batman is an indefinite run.

>>92467964
>also Barry personality was already formed and created before they retconned his story and introduced the murdered mother stuff

That was such a stupid addition to the mythos. He can't just be a cop who does the right thing, he's got to have a dead parent he obsesses over constantly.

>>92454940

I know it's a pipe tobacco but Gordon looks like he's going.

>Alright, fuck it. This shit it too weird, I gotta get high for this. Swamp Thing, grow me some dank shit....

>>92475134
>>92455025
>It's a little thing but I love the inclusion of the criminal wearing a Superman shirt. A bit of irony often seen in real life.
I'm royally pissed myself, I had that look a year or so ago.
Looked like one tough poser cunt, let me tell you, but I loved every second because I thought it was genius the way it mixed a Superboy/Manchester Black vibe.

Now everyone will think I got it from this.

>>92476568
I sincerely doubt it

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>>92455103
Feels bat, man.

>>92455725

That was Swamp Thing's ultimate move in Infinite Crises... I like how they use Swamp Thing in vidya a lot now, he makes for an fun character to play.

>>92455802
>>92455803


...He's a dude that flies around in a Kite. He doesn't have that much interesting going on about him. Let him have his fun gag. If it makes the fans happy, THATS THE POINT OF A FUCKING PRODUCT. Make the customers happy. Let Kite-Man be Kite-Man.

HELL YEAH!

>>92456209

Yeah I actually really liked how this ended. The fuck's Batman gonna do against Swamp Thing? He just had to stand there helpless. I actually like seeing Bat's powerless sometimes. Just totally confused and didn't know what to do. That means he's still goddamn human, which is the core of his character.

>>92455696

This. There's enough plant life inside Batman that Swamp thing could just track him or kill him if he wanted because Batman has to eat

>>92476444
Hey, it's happened.

>>92475134
Because they're forcing King to write epic action stories, rather than King just trying to emulate Morrison. Fuck off, Kingfags, your excuses for HacKing are weak.

>>92455103
Swampy seems like he may become a very big part of rebirth's overall story. he had the ominous appearance in the supes annual and now this driving home bruce's inner conflict after the button.

it seems like they're really playing up the fact that he's a natural entity, batman has to plead with him cause literally what the fuck is he going to do to him.

I feel like Swampy and Manhattan meeting is inevitable just due to the Moore connection and I feel like they'll have a very important (to the rebirth storyline) and interesting conversation. It'll be interesting to see how it would pan out.

>>92455506
>>92455700
>>92455668

I'm normally fully on team fuck-the-kite-man-shit but this was arguably the best of his re-appearances in kings run. I was just sincerely expecting Kite Man to play a part in the bane plan which would have ruined everything (like beating bane with a headbutt did anyway).

Did they actually pay the artist full pagerate for this? Because as near as I can tell he actually drew about 1/4th of a comic and then just recycled for the rest.

>>92480111

>they're really playing up the fact that he's a natural entity, batman has to plead with him cause literally what the fuck is he going to do to him.

Pretty much. You can't arrest a force of nature.

>>92480354
I think that's why the Manhattan Swamp Thing moment will be interesting. How could he destroy Swamp Thing without destroying the rest.

To be honest, I think it's a conversation the characters have already had in the past that we'll see eventually. As if Swamp Thing is the Anti-Rorschach and just kinda keeps his mouth shut about it. Or maybe doesn't recall it.

>>92475134
There is nothing inherently superior about it. Moore liked it because it gives control over the pacing to the writer rather than the artist - but when used exclusively, it might get weird because it's hard to make a panel that feels longer (which would be normally accomplished by a wide panel) or reflects a sense of height (a tall panel) or appears sudden (narrow panel, or overlapping onto one another). 9 panel grid is best used when you want to represent sense of urgency and time constantly flowing at the same pace - which is why it worked so well in Watchmen where flow time is a major theme, and why it worked similarly well in Batman #21 when Bats was waiting for Flash, with each panel representing exactly one second.

That's it, tho - 9 panel grid best works on 'moment to moment' panel transition, and would look weird in e.g. a normal fight scene, because each panel would have the same visual impact.