There is another Steve out in the world. He has a short beard

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Oh boy, Dimension Z 2: Electric Boogaloo.

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>>92438949
>yfw 616 Steve was stuck in Hydraverse where WWII never ended

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>mfw Kobik actually separate Steve in two removing 80 years of history after the end of Secret Wars and in the end of SI we gonna see Captain America Reborn when the love of Steve and Sharon fix everything

>>92438949
>not teen steve
boo

>>92438949
Seems pretty convoluted.

>Secret Empire not ending with President Trump firing Steve for not being Loyal to Trump

>>92438949
>It's good Steve lost in his mindscape

>>92438949
where did you see this

>>92438949
This is gonna come so far out out Spencer's ass it'll be the second coming of Goatse

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>>92438949

>>92439333
Fuck you Spencer

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>>92439070
>He pretty much Uncle Sam in Earth X, leading a group of freedom fighters to help for those who can't fight for themselves.
>>92439333
And there's Spencer with an asspull.
>This entire event

>>92439333
Well he's got my curiosity

>>92439333

LOL wow

I really enjoy Hydra Cap and SE. This seems stupid. Hope it pays off some how.

>>92438949
Fuck you asshole rich put fucking spoilers, instead of making tge thread name the spoiler go fuck yourself

>>92439403
you like Hydra Cap and this seems stupid? Lol

>>92438949

At this point I pretty much expect events to end on lazy copouts and weak conclusions that never match the build up. Slott's particularly bad about it.

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So is this basically the Superman Reborn situation with a divided Superman? Not to mention a blatant asspull and damage control towards the "Why is Captain America a Nazi?!!" crowd by exclaiming "Hey guys, it was never really the real Steve!"

>>92439333
This is so fucking stupid.

What was the whole point of Hydracap and Secret Empire then?

Hydra Cap is Ultimate Steve Confirmed

>>92439333
God did he backpedal? Also is this WWII Cap? Holy shit invalidating all these years of Cap is going to just get people even more butthurt.

Beard Steve is Ultimate Steve!

Sjws made him fold Marvel has no backbone

>>92439474
Split Superman has been laying the ground work since Convergence
This is just outright pulling things out of the inter-dimensional asshairs

LOVING.

EVERY

LAUGH

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>>92439333
This is so retarded, it goes from retarded to hilarious to sad to rage worthy and back to retarded again

>>92439590
You got it backwards.

I knew they had to pull a "two Caps" situation, otherwise they'd need to actually deal with Captain America having helped Hydra, even if due to reality warping. They wouldn't erase the entire event from continuity, so this was the only way that wouldn't require a year of aftermatch stories, which isn't practical when the event isn't even doing that good.

>>92439333
Biggest. Asspull. Ever.

>>92439333
>Literally Superman Reborn
Marvel is a joke at this point. Why not just cosmic cube this shit, why make things needlessly complicated?

is... is this really the crossing 2.0?

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what a fuckin cop out

>>92439580
>>92439731
There's one way to make this interesting - this is Steve from Dimension Z. He never came back.

Which only invalidates Spencer's own runs, ironically (and the tail end of Remender).

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>>92439590
>Ultimate Steve leads the fight to stop Nazi Cap
I'm all for it

>>92439722
Nope

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>>92439333
At this point I'm starting to wonder whether the rumor of Marvel replacing Spencer for the ending of SE actually has merit.

>>92439777
it would explain hackmans steve

>>92439474
I'd only have been okay with this if it explained why Cap was occasionally acting out of character since he came back from the dead, long before he even went Hydra.

But if it's WWII Cap then holy shit it would just piss off everyone that's been following the character for decades.

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Well at least he was telling the truth about them not going to pull a cosmic cube asspull to resolve everything.

They just went with a completely different asspull that mimics something their rival company was doing recently.

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>>92439777
>trips on this post
pure kino

>>92439777
I'll be down for that

>>92439825
Especially because of this.

But if Spencer goes who will get to write Captain America? I know Duggan said it was one of his dream titles but could he juggle three titles at the same time (and is he doing anything outside of Marvel?).

>>92438949
I wonder if this was the original plan given the resistance to it, I know it takes a while to redraw comics & covers but people have been pissed about this for months now

>>92439874
spencers still on cap

Superman Reborn ended with a merge
How is this gonna end? Strange is going to merge the two Steves?

>>92439779
>Nope
>implying Spencer would put such a "problematic" character as Ultimate Cap in a good light
Nice joke.

>>92439894
isnt that literally the crossing but with cap

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>>92439777
>trips
Only if Jet gets to come back too.

One of the two have to be ultimate Cap plz

>>92439894
Maybe Hydra Steve will die or he'll just be part of regular Steve's rogue gallery.

And people thought this was at least going to be better than CW2.

>>92439857
Nigga Marvel Earth gets CHANGED FOREVER every year.

The fact that there's been no major societal change is the biggest asspull here. America shat its pants after terrorists took out two buildings, which is what 616 NYC calls an average Wednesday.

The city has been destroyed and rebuilt so many times it's a wonder anyone lived there.

Realistically MU USA should have become some sort of fascist dictatorship years ago, faced with monthly alien invasions and Kang nuking DC and all that shit.

>>92439952
Wait, when Ultimate Cap died in Cataclysm was there a body? And when did 616 Cap supposedly escape Dimension Z? I forget what year.

>>92439333
Y'know, reversing Steve's self with tha cosmic cube would have been less stupidly convoluted than this

>>92439777
That would leave the question of who the Steve is that's been running around and gotten hydrated by Kobik.

What the hell? This is fun.

But does this mean hydra cap is a copy? Or the other rogers is alt world one?

>>92440027
It's easy - he was created by Kobik, maybe somewhere around Standoff (perhaps in the unaltered timeline, Standoff goes FUBAR with Cap still gone and Kobik "brings him back" to avoid that. Only since she doesn't really know what she's doing she just creates a copy). Kobik can alter history, as we've seen.

All that would mean is that Marvel could pretend they've planned for this all along and set up subtle clues that this isn't the real Cap for years.

what if instead of it being totally Kobik that created Hydra Steve. Madame hydra was the one that split hydra Steve from beard Steve.

>>92440027
The twist is that Hydra Cap wasn't changed by Kobik, he just popped into the mainstream universe when Wolverine broke the timestream after AoU

>>92440184
Unlikely that anyone at Marvel even remembers AoU or the consequences atm, since they never really did anything with it.

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>>92439333
Well, this keeps getting better and better.

>>92440184
Hydra cap is from ultimate.

Or a fake thing.

>>92439333
Isnt that the same look he had in diminsion z? Is hydra cap a zola clone?

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So if there's a Not Steve, how and why the fuck did this happen?

>>92440137
TBQH this works better than Cap being fixed by the Cosmic Cube, which has the problem of everyone remembering Cap being a huge dick.

This way they can have the heroes beat the living shit out of HydraCap.

>>92440311
Grand director.

>>92439333
worst DEUS EX MACHINA ever

>>92440311
>This is the new Steve being worthy of the hammer and taking it to duke it out with Hydra Steve
I will need sides surgery if this is the case

>>92440311
Or hydra cap is real.....and the other cap is from destroyed world from secret wars.

>>92439853
>But if it's WWII Cap then holy shit it would just piss off everyone that's been following the character for decades.
That's probably what they'll do because this is Marvel after all.

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All this outrage and drama for a hack cop-out.

God I can't waut for the event ban, however short it is.

>>92439333
All generations characters are leftovers from secret wars.

Or earth 616 was recreated and he was sent to earth prime. Earth prime is not the real universe.

Yesssss kill all women.

Thanks a fucking lot for the lack of spoilers over that shit.

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"I win."

>>92439909
Nah Spencer is pussy, he wouldn't have the guts.

I still wouldn't mind Ultimate Cap punching Nazi Cap.

>>92440488
It would be unprecedented for Marvel to go and say "yep, the hundreds of books published over the past two years have all been about another Earth, that's why everything is different."

Imagine the clickbait a "Heroes Return" event would cause.

Although that would mean we lose Avenger Deadpool, USAvengers, heroic Doom, etc.

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Meanwhile in Dc

Well I did not expect hydra cap to just get killed and replaced by the one and true captain america who has never been hydra. Seems a bit cruel to kill a man who had his entire identity altered into being the villain.

so are we going to have a reverse captian america?
like professor zoom or negaduck?

>>92439474
>copout
>implying Marvel really a gives a shit what anyone thinks
>implying that this weak ass plot wasn't in the works from the start

>>92439479
>point
>more implications

>>92440620
Two wrongs don't make a right.

>>92440438
It will be really short: See the Heroic Age.

>>92440740
Never forget Spring 2010, when we had a glimmer of hope that heroes can be heroes again. And then we got Schism, AvX, Time Runs Out, Civil War II...

>>92440620
>Meanwhile at Marvel
>Blatant asspull to try and silence the hate.

>Meanwhile at DC
>Another teaser to a story that's been building up to a year and will have an event later in the year.

I don't get what you're trying to say here.

>>92440620
Eh the thing we all knew was happening finally being shown isn't much of a shocker. It would have been more of a surprise if Doctor Manhattan had Superman's red underwear warming his cold blue balls to show why he did everything he did.

>>92439333
>Steve doesn't need a redemption arc because nu!Steve was never HYDRA
Wow. Fucking wow. This is even worse than mindwiping Tony post-Civil War.

>>92439333
Doesn't this make Hydracap and Secret Empire completely pointless now?

>>92440798
I think that will happen in Doomsday clock

>>92439333
Looks more like Odinson to me. What if he's just impersonating an AU Steve to infiltrate the rebels?

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>>92440620
>Meanwhile in Dc

>>92440798
I want a parody one-shot with that exact plot, like those Marvel did for Original Sin.

"I pretend to have evolved beyond the need for human companionship, but in reality Laurie left me because she didn't want to be seen with my flopping penis. It's not small, Laurie! I'm just cold all the time, okay! Anyway, I figured if I took Superman's shorts, she might see me as this big, tough superhero. Please -- do you know her new number? She refuses to call me back."

>>92440876
And we've been burning those SE issues for NOTHING?

>>92440901
lol in your dreams
DShit is dead

>>92439777
If that's Z!Steve he'd be super old now, wouldn't he? Time is incredibly distorted in Dimension Z and even with the SSS, he'd still be aging at a rapid rate, or perhaps a more normal rate. Either, he'd have aged and in that panel he looks the same but with a beard.

>>92440017
He was only in Dimension Z for like, a half hour real time. It really wasn't that long.

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>>92438949
So come the end of Spencer's Wild Ride, what's going to have done more damage to Marvel overall - CW2 or SE?

>>92439950
You want to make Sam a pedo again?

>>92441094
Probably Secret Empire. Casuals will remember it as "That time Marvel made Captain America a Nazi who blew up New York and killed hippy by firing squad."

>>92441102
Thanks for reminding me of that little bundle of joy. Christ.

>>92440973
It's been a long while since I looked at the arc, but I don't think he has to be aging "in parallel". I mean, we're dealing with alternate universes and godlike beings, if the theory is correct that this Steve is some shitty duplicate and our Steve never left DZ, it could go either way.

Nazi-Steve has memories of leaving DZ at one point, but if he's fake, then real-Steve never left. Maybe Kobik or whoever simply snatches him back from the moment that Nazi-Steve "escaped" from DZ.

Real-Steve isn't any older, and since time fuckery's massively in play already it's not like he'd be shocked at losing a year or so of real time.

>>92441139
>New York
I meant Vegas

>>92439333

Literally Teen Tony 2.0.

>>92439333
So Ultimate Cap really was Nazi Cap after all.

>>92440576
Not if two imprints.

>>92441376
Post yfw everything post-Secret Wars has been a sly attempt at relaunching an Ultimate-style universe and pretending it was 616 was just to get the fans involved enough to buy books set in both

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>>92439888
Which is weird since you figure that Marvel would want to replace Spencer and get a new writer for Cap.

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>>92441094
Civil War 2

Crippled the sales of all of its tie-in books, did substantial damage to Carol Danvers' reputation, sparked controversies inside and outside the bullpen due to its use of Rhodey and in the end, the conflict was pointless as the mcguffin of that story just Poochie'd out of existence anyways...

>>92441903
>yfw Bendis actually thinks other writers are going to use Dude McGuffin in the future

>>92439333
So the Steve Rogers who became Hydra was never the real Steve Rogers. So the shocking reveal that Steve is now Hydra and the conflict of how to deal with a friend-turned-enemy is thrown out the window since he's not the real version.

>>92441974
Potentially, yes. We don't actually know what this Steve's deal is.

>>92438949
So in order to save Steve's reputation, Spencer opted to make the rest of the Marvel Universe look EVEN stupider than they already look now...

>>92439333
OH HEY NICK SPENCER ABSOLVES STEVE ROGERS WITH NARRATIVE CONTRIVANCE

WHO
COULD
HAVE
GUESSED

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>>92441951
>yfw Ewing brings him back only to kill him off as retribution for ignoring his Ultimates run

was anyone really clamoring a remake of the crossing? why did they decide "Hey while we are remaking out old stories why not do a cap version of that time tony was evil all along

>>92440876
just like every other event

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>>92439333
this really just raises more questions that I do not have confidence in Nick Spencer's ability to answer

Because the narrative of Cap Hydra's world-has-been-changed, by the virtue of Captain Keikaku's preserving himself through the world-change until Kobik brought him back, there is now Captain Hydra and "the Steve Roger that never was".

>>92441974
>>So the Steve Rogers who became Hydra was never the real Steve Rogers
Most likely they are both "the real Steve Rogers": Hydra-Awakened and Never-Been-Hydra.

I'm going to think they will play it as a "Cap Just Out Of Ice" because Captain Hydra retroactively took his place starting from there.

>>92442115
The funny thing is that this probably even got more attention than The Crossing did, but that's probably because of the awareness of Cap due to MCU.

>>92442115
Was anyone really clamoring for a remake of The Clone Saga? Or Civil War?

>>92442236
more than the crossing thats for sure

While this does seem hacky, Spencer seems like exactly the kind of guy to have Hydra Cap suddenly kill this guy off for shock value.

>>92442311
>while this does seem hacky, Spencer seems like exactly the kind of hack to do something even more hacky

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>>92439333

He needs a mullet. So does that mean near the end of this event. This will be Hydra Steve's new look?

I don't really know which option is worse:

1) This was a kneejerk change to shut fans up after months of outcry.

or

2) Completely destroying the entire crux of the event by issue #2 was completely planned.

Supposedly Spencer was given full reign according to himself, so I guess #2 is what happened.

>>92442365
It's not hacky if it's unexpected. Everyone's expecting this guy to be the new Cap, so the "fuck you" thing to do is pull the rug out from under that. If you're going to be "fuck you" the writer, might as well go all out.

>>92442414
no, it's hacky to introduce a character then kill them off almost immediately for shock value

>>92442399
What is Cyborg Superman doing in a Captain America costume?

>>92442450
Secret Empire has seven more issues, Nick has plenty of time to make people root for this guy before slaughtering him in either the last or next-to-last.

>>92442498
>7 more issues
and I bet there's going to be some earth-shattering reveal at the end of every single one

I'm exhausted already

>>92442460

Cause we have a Black Captain America running around, a gritty more "right" Cap in Hydra Cap, and a Return Good Cap.

We still need a spunky teen Cap and a Henshaw to complete the set.

>>92442537
well there is a new Patriot

>>92442537
USAgent is the edgy, gritty Cap.

>>92442537
>>92442537
Wasn't there already a Cyborg Cap in the early 2000s? I know I'm not making this up, he was a one and done sort of thing

>>92439333
Wtf are they saying? Generation heroes and real cap are in hydra world?

>>92442650
tune in NEXT TIME, True Believer!

>>92442618
BuckyCap had a robot arm. I guess that counts?

>>92441337
That sounds too good to be true.

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>>92439333
Looks like secret wars civil war version of cap. I guess he dons the classic suit in generations.

>>92443065
>man wearing fatigues looks like man wearing fatigues
who could've guessed

>>92441337
No

>>92443065
>Captain America looks like Captain America
No way

>>92438949
>Fuck Bleeding Cool and fuck Rich Johnston.
Why the fuck does Rich have no problem spoiling the shit out of DC stuff but then refuses to do the same for Marvel?

>>92443155
Dc isnt liberal enuff.

>>92443155
didn't he spoil Hawkeye killing Bruce Banner in Civil War 2?

>>92443155
Rich is desperate for Marvel sources and doesn't want to make them mad, whereas his DC sources have remained loyal despite all the spoilers since they don't care too much about them.

>>92442537
>and a Henshaw
Zemo will be that. He'll steal Techno's body and\or techpack and become Cyborg Cap

>>92443207
Rich has to have his own special ideology
>Politically I am a pragmatically libertarian socialist with some hypocritical statist exceptions, who errs towards political correctness because it's just nicer, was a social justice warrior thirty years ago (fighting for gay tolerence against the school bigot who would marry his husband twenty years later) but ends up offending most people at some point, who grew up with an evangelical Christian mother and an evangelical atheist father. So I tend to find I disagree with everyone about something or other, and always have.

>>92443208
Didn't ABC have a big news report on that?

>>92443288
>libertarian socialist
these two don't go together

>>92443288
>libertarian socialist

How the fuck are these words in the same sentence like this?

>>92442537
Nomad is going to be Captain America Boy? (fuck patriot)

>>92443288
So he is fucking nuts? Got it.


Lol socialism with libertarism. Wtf.

couldn't pymtron be cyborg cap

>>92443155

Cause Dan Slott bullied him.

>>92443468

Damn your right.

>>92438949
>There is another Steve out in the world. He has a short beard and is trying to get home. Looks like he is wearing old war war fatigues.
So fucking Bill Burr was right of all people? Despite him not knowing anything about comics?

>>92439333
have you ever had so much hope for an event from marvel but you had to abandon all that hope because of an asspull from the writers?

>>92443065
...did Spencer write that too? Or was that Soule?

>>92442618
I think there was Deathlok Cap.

>>92443629
it was Soule

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>>92443494
yeah :D

>>92443691
We got jimmy hudson running around and maker and a madelyin pryor from infereno running around.

What else are all the generations characters from?

>>92439036
>>92439777
You know I always thought that when Cap left Dimension Z they should have up'd his power a bit. To something like Ultimate Cap level. Say that the harsh environment and energy of Z caused the SSS to force his body to adapt.

>>92443155
I know several years back Rich use to get approval by Marvel before he ran spoilers. His D.C. Leaks are drying up. Most of his recent D.C. Leaks have been pics from his buddies who run stores and gets books early and stuff he steals from other places on the internet.

>>92443857
they're gonna have to work really hard to explain Mar-Vell and Past Carol

>>92443895
Just other destroyed earths. The gif had old carol listed as captain marvel but not ms marvel while wearing her ms marvel outfit.

>>92439333
What a load of fucking shit, this has just ruined the entire point about HydraCap being THE Steve Rogers, now it will forever be marked off as his evil side version ffs

>>92442537
Wait what if HydraCap is William Burnside?

>>92444297
he IS an alternate Cap from a different reality.

Or altered to thinks so, at least.

>>92443355
>>92443380
positive conception of freedom. IE you aren't in a free (classical liberal) society if you are burden by having to work to secure basic needs. I think it is a little weird desu.

Also, the spoiler just seems so out there and sorta lazy. I'm feeling those vibes from it. Secret Empire is bold with captain american being hydra. It will affect him forever. But then the spoiler is a massive escape hatch.

>>92443785
what

>>92444922
>But then the spoiler is a massive escape hatch.

depending on the greater narrative, not necessarily. Even if we get a "good cap" at the end, the Ideal of Cap himself might have been tarnished, at least in-universe, forever.

>>92439333
>Pissess off casuals by making Cap totally-not-but-really-kinda-is-a-Nazi.
>Pissess off people who like the event in destroying the basic premise of the story by issue 2.
Spencer really is king of making nobody happy.

>>92444974
Regin of the captain americas Hydracap, Falcon cap, pymtron & beard cap

>>92440623
Yeah but it means they can have the heroes utterly destroy and crush HydraCap and have HydraCap be utterly irredeemable (as he frankly already is; no cosmic cube fix could save him due to his treachery).

I don't know....maybe if WW2 Cap has shown up inside the Darkforce bubble maybe the Darkhold bought him there?

>>92439479
It's an event, there's never a point to events. What was the point of either Civil War, or Spider Island or Secret Wars, what did they really change? A new character gets introduced, some jobbers job, a C-lister dies occasionally and everything ends like a limp dick before going back to status quo, same as always.

>>92443891
>Most of his recent D.C. Leaks have been pics from his buddies who run stores
aka Dennis Barger

>>92444988
True enough. I'm semi interested in seeing this thing through. I mean, he has a right to take his time writing his story so lets see how it goes.

>>92445212
The first Civil War brought a couple of years of not-normal with the Initiative, then Dark Reign.

>>92445187
Plot twist...neither are real steve.

HahahahahahH lmao.

>>92443785

So wait Iron Man wakes up in this?

>>92445303
>Real Steve has been dead ever since the first CW

>>92445212
Civil War was pretty big at the time. It split the Avengers into two opposing groups and introduce the whole government vs heroes dynamics from the mutants to the whole Marvel Universe. And that continued into Dark Reign. Although by now it's all in the past, it did define Marvel for around 4 years, which is quite a bit nowadays.

>>92442514
There's Captain America's in the walls.

>>92445346
Ai tony.

Real tony is going to have rhodes ironman costume from the first secret wars. Quesada art.

>>92445586

There's art of that already?

I gave up on Marvel when they got rid of Tony Stark.

>>92445696
>caring about Marvel's lamest

>>92445696
Dont mimd the troll above me. Real tony is back this fall.

>>92445145
When has Spencer made people happy?

I honestly don't know how this can turn out good.

>>92445767
>troll
Sure thing bud, that's why Iron Man comics sell sooooooooo well, right?

>>92445767

I might have to look into getting Iron Man again then when he comes back

Thanks

>>92440576
Nothing of value would be lost.

>>92445809
Back when Lieber was adding jokes to his scripts in Superior Foes.

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>>92440438
I still want Venomverse though.

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>>92439333
>people who read comics shit on the event
>people who don't read comics think hydracap is going to stick
>disney has to step to tell people to calm down and that it's not going to stay that way
>people burning the free issues of secret empire
>now people will see this as marvel copying what dc did with superman
>spencer was probably forced by disney to make this change

Thank you for Spencer for this wild ride. It's a shame your career as a comic writer is fucking over. I hope you do well on some indie comic nobody will touch because your name is attached to it.

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>>92441254
...shit

Actually, I'd love if they could use this to retcon the entire Secret Wars old Man Steve run too.

Spencer will write this Steve as the pure, true Steve Rogers that was forced out through the Red Skull's cosmic cube magic and he's "trying to get back home" into his body. Post YFW this happens.

>>92439333
i am happy knowing that muh cap is not a nazi!
now marvel gonna shit in my hope making him or clone or some bullshit!
fucking marvel!

God Damnit! I've loved the build up for Secret Empire. I've defended Spencer on this board. Fuck it. I'm done. This shit fucking sucks. I was ok with the cosmic cube ending because we can't have Hydra cap running around with all these far left liberals burning comics. Wtf is this though.

We either have
A) Hydra Cap gets killed by token Spider-Man

B) New totally not ever a Nazi Cap kill Hydra cap.

Or C) Hydra Cap lives another day and everyone just "aww shucks" it off.

It would be kinda cool to have HydraCap pal around with Maker.

Maybe we could get a whole team of evil alternate universe heros that fight the diversiteens.

But seriously
FUCK SPENCER

>>92443785

Is that Pym-Tron in the back?

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>>92446444
>Post YFW this happens.

>>92446813
All NEW SUPERIOR ULTIMATES.

>>92446838
you betcha

he's got the last Cosmic Cube shard

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I literally thought up at work it's probably an evil different reality capt. that got switched out and I was fucking right.

>>92446813
Spencer is so good at pleasing no one. He couldn't even commit to a Hydra Cap. It's really amazing.

>>92446893
All New Superior Ultimates starring

The Maker
Hydra Cap
Pymtron
Superior Iron Man
Kluh

>>92447064
I've been hoping he would commit to Hydra Cap since Captain America Steve Rogers. This event would be much better if he had stood his ground.

>>92447064
I've been hoping he would commit to Hydra Cap since Captain America Steve Rogers. This event would be much better if he had stood his ground on the plot.

>>92447105
he couldn't even commit to having Cap kill Jack Flag, of course he wasn't going to commit to HydraCap

>>92445355
I would be OK with this.

>>92439333
iT'S ULTIMATE CAP

>>92447151
I thought the Flag plot was poinient as it showed he was willing to do it. He also new Flag was going to eventually heal with his powers. Death by ommision?

>>92447281
it was narrative contrivance to show Cap was a bad guy while still absolving him of responsibility for Jack's death

>>92439333
This is gonna be a fun ride if every other issue has crazy stuff like this.

So is Scott Summers walking around somewhere trying to get home too?

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>>92447556
He better be

>>92447556
Scott "I was Right" Summer has a vocal fanbase so no.

>>92447079
Just use maestro.

>>92447079
We definitely need more inverted/evil characters.
Also, why not Superior Octopus too? Or Daken? Or someone who can be an evil version of Cap Yaas Queen #Slay?

Hell, you could also use the new Wasp's mom, who turned out to be alive and evil, unless that's a ruse from Pymtron either.

>>92448479
isn't Daken dead

also evil Carol is Moonstone, come on

>>92448209
Shit man! I totally blanked on Maestro. You'd miss out on the super strong brute that most marvel teams have though. 6 evil heroes undermining each other would be kind of fun though.

>>92448479
Has Nadia even met her father (pymtron) yet ?

>>92448517
>Maestro
>miss out on super strong brute
are you sure you're not thinking of Leader

>>92448509
Apparently he's pretty ok after getting Apocalypse'd into Death, and so far he's not done too much.

And yeah, forgot about Moonstone. Then again, her being in Thunderbolts guarantees she can't be used yet.

>>92448479
I was thinking more in line with a traditional Avengers line up. Superior Spider-Man would go well though. He's definently too pick. Ares and Daken would be nifty additions. For alternate universe you could go Red Queen from MC2. Nadia is based off of her anyway costume wise.

Power Princess from Squadron Sinister in place of Danvers perhaps?

>>92448517
Maestro is the strongest hulk.

>>92448509

Daken's just got a case of post Secret Wars MIA if I remember right. He was definitely back and alive them, albeit maimed and depowered.

>>92448605
Ares isn't evil

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>>92448587
You could also go with Malice.

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>>92439333
Well, good. If this Cap replaces the retarded Captain America we've been saddled with since AvX, then I'm all for it.

>>92448688
He's been on the Dark Avengers aka Thubderbolts before. The only reason I say Ares is because he works on a superficial level as a Thor substitute.

>>92448708
Yeah, this. Sometimes hitting a reset switch isn't a bad thing.

Fuck 616 Cap. He's been shit for ages even more Nazi Cap.

>>92448654
Not particularly.

The good old Jade Giant has an unlimited cap on his strength. When Jean Grey took away his Banner side he was ridiculous.

>>92448780
or just bring Gorr back from the dead somehow

>>92448825
He's been shit since Brubaker's run.

Honestly make him be dead even before Avengers Disassembled and it would be good for me.

>>92448688
"I shall teach these soldiers to be better soldiers by being the sole survivor of this filicidal mission! Go me!"

>>92448780
>>92449079
Ragnarok might be game.

>>92438949

would you say he's a Nomad?

>>92449079
Gorr would be fun. He'd be one cool pick to a team like that.

>>92439333

>Dat religious symbolism with the moon

What the fuck is this, the DCEU?

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>>92449197
>only the DCEU does religious symbolism
are you legit retarded

>>92445145
wtf I love Spencer now?

>>92439333
we know its you satan, no need to halve your number

anyway, so this means there will be no cosmic cube reset at the end?
really hope spencer actually get fire after this shit

>>92439333
If only the comic itself was as fun as this whole clusterfuck

>>92439333
Put me in the screencap!

>>92445212
Secret Wars got Spider-Nigger in the main universe.

>the state of nick spencer

>>92441477
At this point, I just figure that Bendis, Spencer and Slott are just blackmailing the shit out of whoever at The Mouse HQ is responsible for firing.

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>>92450024
And this guy.

>>92450024
Bendis wanted all his OCs in one universe.

>>92441477
Tom Brevoort aka Mr. If-it's-controversail-it'll-sell since firing Spencer would make him look bad and be a repudiation of his ideas.

>>92450553
Disney just doesn't give a fuck about the comics division, or maybe Ike's status as the 2nd largest shareholder at Disney gives him special privileges.

>>92446813
why are you fags always sucking maker off so much. he is a literal cuck and has been a joke since he turned evil

>>92450629
he's a zany mad scientist with zany mad scientist plans, what's not to love

>>92450628
The second option seems more likely as even if Disney realizes they're hemorrhaging money in their comic division, It seems Perlmutter has majority control. Which is strange, considering that a proper businessman would realize that their comes a time to cut their loses and bring in someone who would unfuck the situation.

>>92450629
I never said he was good or bad anon. I said HydraCap could pal around with Maker because they're in the same universe now and both fit similar molds.

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>>92442075
>yfw Ewing brings him back as a member of All New All Different Nextwave

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>>92439333

So, Hydraverse is where Man-Killer and Mach X ended up?

Abe is not dead.

>>92451096
More importantly Man-Killer isn't dead.

>>92443785
>Ultron
>Just

>Hydra Cap manages to be a shining beacon of interesting shit in a sea of forced virtue signaling trash these past few years in that it's at least semi readable to watch his kikaku happen
>Nah fuck it, more people who never read comics in the first place are whining about it. Make the ending even worse than you planed for it to be.
>I got u senpai

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>>92438949
>>92439333

Bravo Spencer.

I just want this whole fucking mess to over with already.

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>>92439333
why

>>92451096
>>92451265
Of course they're fucking dead.

>muh nussey cap
>he's the hydra so he's the evil
>double plus bad
>cap falcon spends an issue reading from the identity politics playbook
>100000000 claps
Just nuke Marvel in its entirety

>>92451549
Man-Killer is too cool to die.

>>92439777
it would be interesting if we end up with Hydra Cap being Ultimate Cap gone bad... and we get Ultimate Reed and Ultimate Steve both being villains

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>>92439333
Odds on Spencer riffing on this page?

>>92445932
Don't forget about Standoff. Standoff was pretty goddamm great, we got Kraven in a party hat and Mayor Hill of Pleasant Hill. Then again /co/ doesn't read comics so I don't know why I'd expect anyone else to remember that event

>>92452346
Considering he riffed off of Cap's speech from Daredevil Born Again for Red Skull's death, pretty damn likely...

>>92448708
Where can i read this?

>>92452490
http://illuminatingcomics.tumblr.com/

>>92452393
I fucking loved Standoff. The tie-ins were garbage though.

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>>92452585
>the tie ins were garbage
Hey buddy, fuck you, the Illuminati tie in was amazing

>>92452346
good odds

but only as a pithy post-murder quip

>>92447556
get ready for marvel's next event The Secret X-man

>all these niggers pretending to be mad
>they don't even read comics

>>92454127
I'm not mad, just disappointed

>>92454127
Go away, Nick Spencer

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>HydraCap is literally just an "evil clone plot" only stretched to the point of meaninglessness and coated in pretentious political subtext

>cap's reputation isn't tarnished
>Steve can beat the shit out of hydra cap in the end
>Hydra cap probably survives with more keikaku in the future (with unholy avengers)
Why are so upset?

>>92454916
it's a cop-out asspull, and everyone was expecting a cop-out asspull, and hey we got the cop-out asspull in issue fucking 2

>>92454973
Ok, fair enough, but if you hate cop outs, why do you read capes, and especially big 2?

>>92455114
for the stories that aren't resolved with cop-outs

duh

>>92454916
Because the whole thing that made this interesting was the complication of it being the actual Steve Rogers, and it was reality itself that had been altered to have him be Hydral-allied, especially since he still remained fairly close to some basic tenets of the character. Now it's just evil alternate story #27373

>>92454916
because now instead of a shit event that nobody wants to read, we have a shit even that nobody wants to read that is also completely dickless and irrelevant

>>92455237
But he is real Steve Rogers. Didn't you read the first issue when Stark said that he is real Steve?

I wish I had that joker's panel from "Under the Red Hood" where he says "You found a way to win, and everybody still loses".

People that liked Spencer's HydraCap feel cheated because all dramatic tension crated by the actual Steve being turned evil is now irrelevant.
People that disliked Spencer's Cap feel cheated because they've been dicked around for a year reading the stories of the amazing not nazi steve when the real steve was farting around somewhere else.

This is such a fucking trainwreck.

Is it possible this is a result of Kobik being broken apart?

>>92439333
>>92438949
So will all those SJWs outraged that they made Captain America a Nazi chill the fuck out now?

Didn't Ultimate Cap die long before 'Secret Wars', during the events of 'Cataclysm'...?

>>92440226
Ewing and Bendis remember, don't they? It was even mentioned in Ultimates. Benis remembers it because he wrote it.

So I guess nobody remembers, because no one at Marvel cares about what my nigga Ewing writes and fuck Bendis

SEE GUYS ITS ALL COOL! IT WAS ULTRON THE WHOLE TIME!

>>92439909
>"problematic" character as Ultimate Cap
problematic, how so???

Where are the marvel submits today?

>>92458165
servers were down

>>92439333
>Marvel's Death and Return of Superman
They even have a Cyborg Cap and everything!

>>92456959
Benis seldom remembers his own shit, too.

>>92457989
Probably because he's shit like everyone else ultimate.

Is this getting storytimed?

>>92458742
Speak of certain outsiders exploiting failures.

>>92440649

If he is as fun as those two are I'm all for it. A truly evil and gleeful Super Patriot would be pretty awesome.

>>92440649
>Remember that time everyone thought you stepped on an American Flag? IT WAS ME STEVE! IT WAS ME ALL ALONG!

>>92456959

Bendis contradicts himself between pages in a single book sometimes, let alone between issues, let alone between titles. He's a joke.

>>92440798
I'm gonna draw this.

>>92457989
Probably because he had traditional values, on account of actually acting like he was from the 40's

Meh issue
Miles actively wants to kill HydraCap but the Champions tagging along seems contrived

>>92459420
>contrived
the watchword for this whole storyline

>>92450629
>cries faggoty bitch tears about liberal
>pushes for a cuck hero

C'mon anon, you know exactly why.

>>92439333
Way to kill a lot of potential drama.

>>92441102
>>92441147
>Sam a pedo
she was like 16 he wouldn't be a pedo

>>92457989
Problematic in the tumblr sense, he's a nationalist, xenophobic asshole.

>>92459598
She was an dult, dumbass.

>>92447079
>>92448479
Fun fact, when Brian Reed was writing Carol he introduced Warbird - Carol who never got past her edgelord phase and was travelling the multiverse, killing alt Rogues.
Kirkman once introduced evil alt Tony called Iron Maniac.

>>92459332
Nah he wasn't like everyone in the 40's he hated racism and was against Nazis from the day he knew about them.

He also wasn't prudish about pre marital sex but then a lot of people weren't back then, it just wasn't socially acceptable.

He however didn't like tattoos, piercongs, and found it tacky when people cursed a lot or wore little to no clothing in public and that was as 40's as he got.

>>92439333
So, marvel just fucked up second big event in a row, right?

>>92459826
Hilarious, timely cap was reverse. Making jap slurs and hanging around skimpy skanks yet being a prude in bed.

Being a man whore had not much social stigma only female whores did and still do.

No storytime?

>>92459964
4chan's still recovering from going down for almost 4 hours.

>>92460071
Hydra did it

>>92459923
I wonder if they'll ever show the Timely Comics version of Cap as an alternate universe since they established the stuff in the 40's comics as propaganda.

>>92458190
cyborg?

>>92460367
I recently saw a panel with a cyborg Cap.

Say, speaking of Secret Empire...
http://www.newsarama.com/34523-secret-empire-adds-extra-issue.html

>>92438949
>SECRET EMPIRE #10 (of 10)
>Written by NICK SPENCER
>Penciled by STEVE MCNIVEN
>Cover by MARK BROOKS
>Variant Cover by J. SCOTT CAMPBELL
>Villain Variant Cover by DAN MORA
>Civil Warrior Variant Cover by TBD
>Action Figure Variant Cover by JOHN TYLER CHRISTOPHER

>“[Writer] Nick [Spencer] has constructed each issue of SECRET EMPIRE so that it ends with a climactic twist or a big reveal or a shocking development, and issue #9 is no exception,” said SVP & Executive Editor Tom Brevoort. “So moving into the finale, with issue #10, the heroes across the Marvel Universe will be pushed to the breaking point as we race to the exhilarating climax we’ve been planning for months. Oh, and let me say again: we’re not going to use the Cosmic Cube to simply reverse everything away—the stakes matter, maybe more than they ever have before."

Also

>Civil Warrior

>>92460410
>the stakes matter, maybe more than they ever have before.

Man, if only I was able to upload a smug image.

>>92460397
Oh!

>>92460429
>exhilarating climax
Yeah. Right. Sure.

>>92460429
>http://www.newsarama.com/34523-secret-empire-adds-extra-issue.html
This is the third marvel event in a row that pulls this fucking bullshit. It's because they can't publish the shit on time, or because they're half-assing a new ending as we speak?

>>92460429
I hope it tanks their sales like CW2 and Metal puts the final nail in the coffin.

>>92460488
WHY NOT BOTH?

>>92460488
They probably want to keep whatever momentum they have going since there's going to be a hold on events for a year and a half.

>>92460488
>It's because they can't publish the shit on time, or because they're half-assing a new ending as we speak?
This makes the last three events in a row with a mystery 10th issue. It's all planned and they were likely waiting until the Real Steve reveal today to pop this issue.

>>92460639
It's happening.

>>92460606
>This makes the last three events in a row with a mystery 10th issue.
Secret Wars wasn't planned like that. Ribic couldn't deliver on some oversized issues, so they split one into two normal sized ones.

>>92460488
Watch as the final issue has previews of fuure events!

>>92460429
>Oh boy! It's another "Marvel's other titles spoil the ending" episode.

Marvel should either stop doing event books or draw there books a year in advanced.

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>>92439333
>Putting this reveal at the front of a 10-issue event
These assholes can't even do comic book shenanigans correctly.

>>92461552
This event feels like a huge practical joke to anyone who is invested in events.

>>92449182
Motherfucker

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>>92439333
I don't how to feel about this.

>>92438949
>Fuck Bleeding Cool and fuck Rich Johnston.
and everyone on the editorial staff

>>92439479
Think back on the original Civil War series when Cap was shot, and think back on the issue were Cap was resurrected. Was the Cap we see now the same one that was killed in the Civil War aftermath?