What went wrong?

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What went right?

>>92417822
Starting the season off with another long parter.

Focusing too much time on Anode, whose character is really generic.

Kicking Alex Milne off for no good reason.

Not starting the season of with the mutineers.

I think once this arc ends, it might be more entertaining. I'm sticking with it at least till the mutineers return issue, that's gonna be the issue of the year for me.

>>92417822
>What went wrong?
Milne was booted off.

>>92417931
Scott learning from her mistakes, after how she fucked up with the reveal with Chromia, having Chromia end up in the situationshes currently in is great. Plus we get a lot of different non G1 characters getting focus.

Okay so how do you think Roberts can still salvage this?

>>92418266
I think he's run out of ideas at this point. Good ideas anyway.

>Roberts goes up. Mairghread goes down.
>Roberts goes down. Mairghread goes up.

Why can't they both be good at the same time??

>>92418357
If that's true, it makes me sad the mutiny might be the last brilliant idea in the comic.

>>92418429
Makes me sad too anon. Its a real shame.

>>92417822
>No-one cares about Anode
>Who goes on the Away Team makes little sense
>Home Team does nothing apart from more Tailgate and Cyclonus relationship issues. Again. That drag Whirl in. Again.
>Tailgate is a horrible abusive bastard for some reason and no-one is flat out stopping it for some reason.
>Functionist universe as first big long plot was a bad idea, we wanted a zippy adventure that started the hunt for the Lost Light
>Rung's purpose just got shat onto the page with no importance, that sure was worth wondering about for 5 years or whatever
>Half the Away Team just stand in the background doing nothing.
>No-one cares about Anode.
>Functionists stop making sense and being a threat and just become cartoon villains.
>Not helped by the inappropriate dayglo cheerful art
>No Milne
>No Milne or Cahill
>No Milne

The art not meshing with the tone of the script and the script itself being meandering and badly weighted in terms of pace are fucking the book.
That, that no-one cares about Anode and the cast is too big for everyone to be in every story man, c'mon.

>>92418631
>Tailgate is a horrible abusive bastard for some reason
Besides beating the cons who he thinks attacked Cyclonus, Tailgate has been thrashing in his sleep and didn't know he was the one that harmed Cyclonus. Cyclonus doesn't want to guilt-trip Tailgate.

>>92418631
>Rung's purpose just got shat onto the page
Quite literally.
I can't believe "Rung poops/ovulates" is the big fucking reveal.

>>92418631
>The art not meshing with the tone of the script

This is my BIGGEST issue with the running. It just doesn't flow well together.

>>92418750
He's an ornament. He makes ornaments!

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I'm starting to suspect that the whole actual quest is nothing more than a running gag. It was kind of funny at first, but it's run its course. Time to actually start moving the plot forward instead of introducing characters and alternate worlds no one gives a literal shit about.

It doesn't help that the only character which isn't at this point a one dimensional running joke or a gay robot is Megatron, and that's just barely.

The biggest sin? The book has become incredibly, incredibly boring.

>>92418631
Yeah most characters just stand there and do nothing.

Roberts really can't do a big cast, why he needed to keep introducing more characters I'll never know.

Seriously what's the point of Roller being there outside of the subversion of him being Tarn.

Fuck Roller should have had Anode's newcomer POV role. It gives him something to do.

Seriously what would it take for Roberts to get a co-author?

>>92418715
Yeah, we know what Tailgate is doing and how Cyclonus is reacting to it. With 'for some reason' I was meaning it was a stupid plotpoint that really didn't need to happen, or at least happen in with everything else. We're immediately into another twist in the Tailgate Cyke drama that drags out pointlessly.

It's only gotten worse with the confirmation Tailgate beat Fangry so badly the two medicos were scrambling to stabilse him, and then the awkward pacing of the previous issue ending and then Tailgate and Whirl in the most recent.

The balancing (and even point) of A, B, C plots etc in the issues so far is bad.

>>92418807
Yeah Roberts should have actually started the season off with Rodimus and co. actually beginning their trek to get their ship back and/or they get a lead on the Knights?

>>92418750
Photonic crystals. The material you freeze sparks into until you need to thaw them out. Like constructed cold/M.T.O. It was never explained where the crystals came in the first place.

>>92418807
>It doesn't help that the only character which isn't at this point a one dimensional running joke or a gay robot is Megatron, and that's just barely.
Its too bad the way Roberts Megatron (and the way he writes the narrative around Megatron at times) is genuinely fatiguing. I thought people were joking about "Megatron Fatigue" when I first heard of it but no. Its a real thing Roberts has managed to do.

>>92418921
He ovulates anon accept it.
Be glad it isnt another robot mpreg story from Jro like Eugenesis.

>>92418927
Megatron does do the same thing every issue.

I think I'd be ok with him temporarily staying behind on the functionist Cybertron but of course come back so he can face judgement.

>>92418964
Matrix of Leadership can poop out sparks. Optimus is a mother in waiting.

>>92419005
I'm hoping eventually Roller eventually reveals to Optimus he's back.

Now that's a reunion we need.

>>92419053
I wonder what he'd think of what Optimus has become.

>>92417822
I haven't gotten this far in the IDWverse yet, but the IDW books have been pretty hit and miss for me in general. There are great stories, but then there's a lot of clumsy try-hard dialogue and oddly soapy character interaction that feel like Tumblr girls got a hold of it between their thighs and are trying to choke the fun out of it.

>>92419077
It hurts how divorced the Lost Lightcast is from everyone else. So many great character interactions that haven't happened yet.

>>92418188
One thing I don't get is how some people say Chromia is written as a butch lesbian in love with Windblade. I asked some lesbians why theybrhought so and their answers were all just that she's so butch and lesbian. I'm not seeing it. A little like an Amazon maybe, but all her interactions with Windblade seemed like an older sister trying to take care of a naive younger sister.

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>>92418964
>mpreg
Dude it's the same shit from the old comics. Soundwave was spazzing and spewed out hot metal just like it.

Now I want this to return to the comics.

The art is actually a major problem. Which is weird as it's decent art. It just does not fit the tone of the story.

The worst problem is that Roberts stuck too closely to 'it's not a real relaunch, it's just the next issue' but ALSO tried to establish to new readers what goes on in the book.
And there aren't really that many new readers.
And the current ones were kind of into the idea of chasing after the LL.
So
>world-building and new concepts
>relationship drama with Tailgate and Cyclonus
>Brainstorm and Nightbeat are wacky bros
>Whirl is irresponsible and violent
>Rodimus and Megatron's characters re-established (especially bad with Megs as we just had a whole season and climax)
>Seriously, Megs' arc climaxed and psyche just kidding

The whole thing is spinning the wheels in a too-long opening arc, with disconnect between writer and artist. Lawrence should be the guy doing zany fill-ins or drawing the Scavengers or some shit. Not leading the book.

>>92419170
Shippers are going to ship. Logic doesn't apply.

As someone who grew up with Power Rangers instead of Transformers, I'm jealous of you guys. I heard MTMTE went downhill in its second half, but just the idea of all these obscure Transformers getting their own character arcs is cool. I wish those PR comics did something like that instead of focusing solely on the Mighty Morphin cast.

>>92419170
I see them as friends.

Though to be fair I thought Chromedome and Rewind were friends when I started reading MTMTE.

>>92419197
oh and Swerve and Nautica are sad about Skids but instead of examining that let's just sideline them for 6 issues or whatever.
Roberts posted the script title of The Mutineers and it was like issue 10 or something, i mean fuck man, that's way too long.

>>92419297
Yeah it's a shame that's not the next issue after the arc.

>>92419287
>Though to be fair I thought Chromedome and Rewind were friends when I started reading MTMTE.
That's fine, you were supposed to.
What's neat is that when you go back to the very first issue Prowl is throwing shade about Chromedome's 'FRIEND' (in bold letters and everything) being around.

>>92419297
I think the most he's done is showing them self medicating against grief, right?
>>92419279
Which in a way is crazy because each season is a new generation of characters for PW. That SHOULD mean new lore every year to build on and interact with.

Ok so is there anything people like so far here?

I kinda like Fangry and Rapidfire even if they'll probabky be irrelevant for the comic. I just like having some Cons in this comic.

>>92419457
I like Megatron's mentor/daddy Terminus. I'm expecting him to die.

>>92419457
>Fangry
It was genuinely nice to see someone recognisable turn up.
Which I think shows something wrong with the comic as well.
I liked some of the jokes. None I remember, unfortunately, which is also telling (I can dump a half dozen from MTMTE right now from memory), but I do remember laughing.

>>92419297
This is why you need an editor. I don't think people really appreciated Barber in that role in the early days of MTMTE. A lot of the self-indulgence in Roberts writing only appeared when his role as editor diminished.

>>92419563
>I'm expecting him to die.
Functionist universe Orion shoots Terminus.

>>92419457
There's been a lack of them, to be honest. The only representation was Drift and Cyclonus who no longer identified as such. Brainstorm doesn't count. On one hand it's understandable. It's a holy quest being guided by a relic owned by the Autobots. However the Matrix is a Cybertronian relic. Not an Autobots one. They should have had a few cons on board since issue one. If only because they didn't want to stay on Cybertron.

>>92418357
It's like You can see his thought process.
>what am I good at?
>world building
>fuck it, I'll just make a bunch of parallel universes so I can keep building worlds

>>92419610
You know I never even thought what Orion would be like without having read Towards Peace.

>>92419610
That'd be a cool twist actually.

>>92419622

Blitzwing was meant to have Cyclonus's spit originally.

Personally I think Octane/Tall Tankor would have been perfect for this comic.

>>92419457
Rodimus on a quest for vengeance should be neat. Last time he got one was in the early IDW days and it was fucking glorious.
Also yeah, Decepticons on the book were much needed since day 1.

>>92418357
>he ran out of ideas
Which frustrates me to no end because it should be the most wild and mysterious book since it's not shackled down by one particular setting or politics but here we are. It's a book about a quest for the Knights of Cybertron. You'd think we would be getting thrown into more mysteries dealing with the knights, titans, primes and all that borders legend but nah. Instead the book keeps getting derailed into more pointless nonsense.

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I really REALLY fucking wish Alex Milne did the art for LL.

>>92420998
Got a link to who did this? I like the style.

>>92422695
It's Alex Milne you silly billy.
https://twitter.com/markerguru

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>>92417822
>Not Alex Milne
>Not backup porn artist
there's your problem

>>92422766
...maybe it just looks different to me cause it's not on the glossy comic paper?

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>>92422919
We haven't seen his art in the comics in a long time now. Our eyes are fresh and can see his amazing skills again. We don't know what we got until it's really gone.

The story would of flowed so much better with Milne.

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>>92422819
I want him to draw blurr more

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>>92423239
I want him to draw more questionable content.

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>>92423290
>Tfw there will never be an offical tf comic of straight up gay robot porn

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>>92423387
This is as close we will ever get.

You know, on one hand Optimus being a nonbeliever/agnostic(?) Keeps the incredible power and authority from his title possibly going to his head but,

On the other hand power still went to his head and found an opportunity to manipulate people instead and be a supreme hypocrite. Is prime currently at his most morally bankrupt ever?

>>92423749
I've yet to get far enough into IDW's stuff to know what you're referring to.

Did Prime go full-on "give me your face"-esque lunacy in IDW too or what?

>>92418821
>Seriously what's the point of Roller being there outside of the subversion of him being Tarn.
I think that was him trying to appease pissed off DJD fans.
>Look I gave you another big buff guy, and you used to think he was Tarn, that's good enough right?

>>92423828
No, he went full Prowl mode.
Basically he's using divine authority he doesn't even believe in to get people to do what he wants. If Optimus genuinely believed he was being guided by some force then there wouldnt be an issue but the fact that he doesn't believe at all and constantly declares his divine authority is following the same path as all the other corrupt primes that came before him.
Windblade and Pyra Magna both confront him on this.

>>92423749
>>92423943
Weren't the primes before Optimus fakes?

Josh if you're here and you see this tell Milne we want him back.

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>>92423749
>Is prime currently at his most morally bankrupt ever?
I think he was slightly leaning towards the influence but later nipped it out of his system.

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>>92418821
That's what we get from someone who's a fan of Steven Moffat's writing of Doctor Who.....

I mean the Parallel dimension is an interesting subplot but can we PLEASE GET BACK TO THE ACTUAL FUCKING LOST LIGHT SHIP?

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>>92424105
Nah even Moffat ties his side plots up quicker than this.

>>92423989
Yes. Unlike those Primes Optimus is the one true prime but I guess he can't escape the curse of corruption that just comes with the title. Even the other real primes seem to be screwed up with the exception of Micronus and Solus.

>>92418631
I care about Anode.

But I can agree that her story seems to be taking away from the main plot pretty severely. I don't think it's a BAD plot, though, just out of place here.

What happened to Transformers generals? I started reading IDW G1 and I want to chat about it.

>>92424553
There was an anon who got very traumatized and suffers from PTSD from the sight of TFG. That and not much was going on. Just make regular threads if you want to talk about anything TF related and people will jump in.

>>92424553
Go ahead and say what you want here anon.

>>92424669
>>92424953
I enjoyed Autocracy and I'm currently enjoying Monstrosity, but apparently everyone hated them.

>>92424993
Neither were universally hated, if you enjoy them don't worry what others say.
All Hail Megatron is generally regarded as terrible but I still enjoy parts of it for instance.

>>92424993
Some hate them, some don't. I'm an eye-candy person so it's hard for me to like all the burn/dodge brushing and photoshopped stock images.

>>92425047
I hear AHM has continuity issues, which is a bummer. But I guess most long standing comics go through it?

>>92425090
You have to have a very consistent and amazing editorial team to avoid stuff like that and even then shit still happens.

>>92424993
>>92425047
When placed next to Roberts at his worst with the neverending quips and awkward romance pandering that makes Degrassi look like D.H. Lawrence, the Autocracy arcs aren't too bad. Transformers at its core is about good and evil and robots at war. They deliver that much. The art is a misfire at times though (not that IDW hasn't seen worse).

>>92423387
TAAO's artist had a nsfw tf blog at one point. It was recognizably her style and all.

>>92425855
Dont most comic artists have a nsfw blog?

>>92425879
Probably. I remember Milne getting caught liking hentai through his main twitter if that counts for anything.

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>>92425911
Milne sounds fun.

>>92424444
That's another issue, too much shit is happening at once. We have the alternate Cybertron plot, Anode, Tailgate, Whirl's adventure with Swerve, and while Rungs purpose getting revealed serves a purpose in LL, it's completely pointless in everything else.

Constructed cold bots aren't an abomination that go against God? Good, but no real ramifications come out of this since there never was any widespread discrimination of constructed cold bots in any of the books or anything.

Off-topic question: I want to get into transformers, but it always seems like I would really need to watch G1 to do it properly since everything references it. Is that the case? If not, where would be a good place to start?

>>92426144
Watch Prime or Animated

>>92426144
>Is that the case?
Not really. There are references, but nothing necessary to understand the characters or the plot. Start with whatever continuity seems the most interesting to you. Just realize that the majority of it is awful. The Bay movies illustrate a rule more than embody an exception. Of recent, IDW has some great stuff but it's also got a lot of garbage.

Transformers Prime had some cool parts too, though I honestly don't remember it very well.

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>>92419977

I agree, Rodimus's character needs to actually grow and him going on this revenge quest to take back his ship for Getaway should be the main focus.

instead we're stuck on an arc nobody really asked for, focusing on characters again nobody asked for.

I hope this is the season where Rodimus matures a bit and by the end is accepted back as the captain of the Lost Light he was meant to be.

>>92425047
>All Hail Megatron is generally regarded as terrible but I still enjoy parts of it for instance.
I honestly loved AHM. Sunstreaker, Starscream, and Skywarp were fantastic there. Especially Sunstreaker, I'm still angry he got completely shafted to the side in all the new books.

>>92426144
I started with IDW.
You can honestly start anywhere but Bayformers and Beast wars. The reason I leave out Beast wars is because it's pretty much one of a kind in the franchise whereas everything else feels reoccurring incarnations of the G1 characters.

>>92417822
Things got retardedly convoluted and pretentious, eventually enough time passed that any momentum from the first comic was lost and my enthusiasm to seek out issues waned.

>>92419189
>Tailgate standing over Cyclonus
>"w-well, this is me"
>starts shaking and excreting mercurial metal from the chest while screaming
>extrudes an entire liquid protoform over the course of a minute
>"You're beautiful"

>>92417822
Megatron. Also, Roberts getting too far up his own ass.
>>92417931
>>92418188 has it right.

>>92419297
We really needed that downtime arc, huh?
Hell, it could've been actually used to push the plot forward VB as well as doing character focus one-shots.

>>92424993
Autocracy and Monstrosity were fine at a push.
Primacy is utter balls.

>>92428766

fuck making long parters is not Roberts specialty, we came back after a long arc and hiatus.

I'd rather we got a few downtime, character interaction issues first.

Functionist arc could have waited much later.

>>92428694
The real reason for Tailgate's constant need for recharge isn't because of his super strength but because he's eating for two now and baby is getting BIG.

>>92428793
Is Primacy the one where Nyon got bombed to hell and back by Rodimus because that was so atrocious that it was funny.

>>92429334

oh god, i hope not.

I like it but I'll admit to it being weaker than what it's following.

The truth behind Rung was a bummer. Otherwise I'm liking the return to Functionalist Cybertron.

>>92431561
Oh anon, why do you hate Cyclonus having a baby with the underage (mentally but certainly not physically) Tailgate?

>>92432207
The truth about Rung didn't really make much sense given the crystal growth doesn't seem to be a function of his alt-mode but rather an Outlier ability given he seems to generate it directly from his body.

>>92418389
>barber stays conssitently mediocore

Nice to have an anchor to hang on to I guess

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>>92418807
>yfw when bay got to the knights of cyberton befor roberts

>>92422819
Sakamoto is great

He can do creepy while still being bright and cutsey

>>92424202
>solus and micronus

>not fucked up

Solus founded a fire cult and micronus abdoned his people tonslavery and death to go play god in the microverse

And thats after they customized their followers to be in their image

>>92433531
Solus still doesn't seem that bad. Hers was a cult of blacksmiths and designers basically. It's not her fault Megatronus killed her and her people fled to an area where they had no resources to build anything.

>>92433316
Barber writes some good stuff.exrid S2 was satisfying save for every time it went into Hasbro mandated events.

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>>92433447
I know right? I wish they gave him a comic for him to just draw lewds and creepy cute shit

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Not really relevant but kinda interesting to note.

So I guess this means the Lost Light comic takes place in May 2016.

>>92417936
This. Roberts can fucking nail it when he wants to, but I feel like he's been on the book for too long and is far too aware of his fanbase to be able to consistently create anything good anymore.

>>92417931
>>92418188
Jesus, is it really good? I dropped it after a single issue because it just seemed entirely unnecessary, and Scott was kind of a shit writer, and also the art was ugly as fuck, especially compared to being used to Milne and Barber.

>>92418795
>This is my BIGGEST issue with the running. It just doesn't flow well together.
Agreed. Ever since the first issue, it just didn't click. I was never able to immerse myself because the art style almost seems suited to an all-ages Transformers book or something.

>>92434030
Roberts leaves me feeling like nothing much has happened every issue now. Scott writes in a well each issue is basically self contained, fits in the ongoing narrative, and leaves you waiting for the next issue with a little bit of anticipation.

>>92424104
>people actually want a pure black and white moral system instead of shades of gray that actually require character depth and decent writing
I suppose it's just me, but I never once had an issue with the shit Optimus did. When the book suddenly treated it like it was the wrong thing, I was a little annoyed. Earth was a planet in over its head, and Galvatron was a psycho that needed to die sooner rather than later. One thing I've always liked about Prime over capeshit heroes like the Avengers or Superman is that he should be a leader and a diplomat before an idealized hero, and sometimes you have to get your hands dirty. What do people have against a hero that is forced to make a hard choice and live with some consequences for the greater good?

>>92434450
Goddammit. Time for some back issues now, I guess.

>>92434560
>Optimus does something morally wrong
>Annoyed that characters within the story are upset about this
Nobody said Optimus was a bad character, in fact he's my favorite along with Soundwave but he does pull some awful stuff and thats what I think everyone is talking about. Once again, manipulating people based on something as personal and sensitive as their faith is cruel.

>>92434725
>manipulating people based on something as personal and sensitive as their faith is cruel.
I don't think this is true if it accomplishes a goal and saves lives more reliably than trying to be truthful and virtuous about it. Letting things go to shit because you missed an opportunity for an easy win because of morals is dumb, and I'd like to think that a culture that was at war with itself for 4 billion years would appreciate that.

I guess that's why I like Prowl so much, though.

>>92434725
Ah felt I should have added this.
I think Optimus was in the right to take over Earth regardless of how rusty bis methods were. Ill clarify the only thing I found morally bankrupt thing is manipulation. Your reasoning for doing these things should be convincing and justified enough for you to not have to manipulate and appeal to literal Camien civilians faith by invoking your divine authority in order to get these people to join and fight for your cause.

>>92435026
>Your reasoning for doing these things should be convincing and justified enough for you to not have to manipulate and appeal to literal Camien civilians faith by invoking your divine authority in order to get these people to join and fight for your cause.
Eh. I guess. I just think that at the time, Prime needed their support, and he had a really fucking great exploit in the fact that they viewed him as basically a prophet. While taking advantage of it might be morally incorrect, NOT taking advantage of it would be stupid and could have possibly caused more problems by slowing things down.

While characters like superheroes seem to be beholden to a strict guideline of "NEVER DO ANYTHING WRONG", I think Prime, given his highly-politicized position among a number of highly volatile and unpredictable parties should be willing to bend things to his advantage without becoming completely amoral.

There's this very strong belief in protagonist writing nowadays that you can't have an imperfect hero. That once they do something a little questionable, the only possible outcome is a total fall from grace, and I hate that. I think one of the defining strengths of a hero should be being able to make a tough or controversial call, but not letting it change their values (like happened with Prowl, pretty much). How far they can bend without breaking.

Like here >>92424104, Prime realized there was "another option", but his option was basically just talking it out. That's really nice for PBS, but what if they didn't want to talk? Looks like there was no other option, Prime. That always annoys me. As long as the hero realizes the virtuous solution, it magically works. I think that's borderline shit writing.

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>>92434030
>Jesus, is it really good?
It's getting good. Watching Starscream suffering from the weight of being a leader is fun. Also Elita leveling the playing field is great.

>>92434725
Wwll they wouldnt listen when he said "hey iam not divine stop worshiping me" so if their gonna be sheep he might as well make some lemonaide

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>>92435421
>if their gonna be sheep he might as well make some lemonaide

Mmmmm fresh squeezed sheeps.

>>92435301
Prowl had a fall from grace specifically because his manipulation and schemes always led to innocents or uninvolved parties getting dragged in his shit. Nobody wants a squeaky clean boyscout for a protagonist nowdays but nobody wants an absolute asshole like Prowl to be praised as a hero by the narrative either for getting away with evil acts. It'It's not up to one person to decide what's the greater good either.

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>>92435453

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>>92435362
I want to bully slutscream

>>92435472
>Prowl had a fall from grace specifically because his manipulation and schemes always led to innocents or uninvolved parties getting dragged in his shit.

Yeah like the genocide of Carpessa. What the fuck Prowl.

>>92435472
>Prowl had a fall from grace specifically because his manipulation and schemes always led to innocents or uninvolved parties getting dragged in his shit.
This is the whole "shades of gray" thing. Yeah, Prowl went a little too close to black, and I think that's fun to explore.
>It's not up to one person to decide what's the greater good either.
This is a statement that should be heavily scrutinized, because I think it's pretty clear that it shouldn't be up to everyone what the greater good is, either. Needs of the many vs. needs of the few kind of shit. Shades of gray. Tough decisions. You seem to agree with me that characters can exist within shades of gray, but you talk like solutions cannot. Sometimes the best efforts can have bad outcomes, BUT sometimes deception and amorality can turn out to be good for everyone. I just want a hero that understands that while not falling prey to it. I think that would make Prime an amazing protagonist.

>>92435472
If prowl regretted that his plans involved innocents he may have been better received. I love him though. His character type is something I like to see.

>>92418631
It's the Cygate drama that's ruining it for me. There's a difference between a slow burn relationship build up to just dragging it on to squeeze as much drama out of them as possible.

>>92435623
>Sometimes the best efforts can have bad outcomes, BUT sometimes deception and amorality can turn out to be good for everyone. I just want a hero that understands that while not falling prey to it. I think that would make Prime an amazing protagonist
The problem with wanting Prime to be that is the fact that he is the one, true prime. Primes are supposed to be and are expected to be paragons of leadership and morality. Rodimus made this clear during Dark Cybertron.

>>92434450
Hm. I haven't really felt that with any of the stories. For instance the whole Titan's Return even felt fairly hyped up, riding on the bit with Sentinel coming back and fucking shit up. Then they were nothing but rampaging zombies and, oh well, they're dead again.

That isn't to say that the status quo hasn't changed, it has, but honestly it was more of a nudge. Even Windblade's apparent demise occurred with very little fanfare or much change beyond the Mistress of Flame is sitting in her place. And, yet again, they seem to push the true significance, in this case the return of Liege Maximo, seems to be kicking the promise of something cool actually happening FURTHER down the line. So, yeah, we've gone from heeeere's Sentinel! Oops, he's done. But heeeeere's TITANS! Finally returning! Oh, they're done. But wait, there's more! Heeeeere's Liege Maximo!

The payoff has just felt really shitty for the significance of the threats.

>>92436356
Wasn't the Titans thing forced onto by Hasbro for it's marketing gimmick?

>>92436429
I wouldn't give them much leeway for that. Mandates from Hasbro have gotten pretty common. If they best they could manage was, "Zombies, only bigger," who still go down like they're made out of tinfoil (seriously, they do NOT make Titans they way they used to) that's a bit sad.

But that's just my 2 shanix. Maybe I'm a bit burned out on Transformers these days but none of it really gives me much of a sense of thrill which admittedly I lost ages ago only to have it brought back by TFP and especially the TFG.

>>92436346
I fucking loved this part of Dark Cybertron so I'll just go ahead and post Rodimus' speech.

"You're wrong.
I never wanted to be "Rodimus Prime."
Not deep down.
Deep down, I always wanted to be you. The real you—not Orion Pax.
All this talk about a corrupt lineage...
"...when you became Optimus Prime—when you assumed the title—the world didn't know the truth about Nova and Nominus and the rest.
"Back then, being a Prime meant demonstrating—no, actually—embodying certain standards of behavior...
"...it meant decency and integrity and—and morality—
"—and all sorts of things that chancers like me pretend are unfashionable because deep down they scare us..."
...and they scare us because we try to live our lives by them but we can't.
Well, guess what? You can.
You can and you do—every day.
Thanks to you, the word Prime still means decency and integrity and morality.
Listen.
The world will always need a Prime...
...but only if that Prime is you."

>>92436704
Which issue was that?

>>92436356
Feels like one thing they could have done to make the Titans event feel worthwhile and really shake some stuff up is that when we last saw the Dinobots they'd learned that parts of Cybertron were "fertile" again. Some of the old hot spots were reactivating. Some of the Titans carried payloads of sparks but assume when they died the sparks were considered lost, unable to be revived without a hotspot (last time Cybertronians tried to reactivate these kinds of sparks they were abusing the shit out of the Matrix).

So say one of these necroTitans dies and the sparks tumble out and fall on fertile soil you could see a sudden boom in the population. Admittedly this is closer to the ending of Transformers Prime but just imagine it. New lives completely unconnected with any of the shit that has previously gone down. A whole new generation of pure innocence for IDW Transformers to abuse the shit out of and leave broken shells.

Not really sure how the sentio metallico works. Apparently it's spontaneously generated at a hot spot around the spark and eventually forms into a protoform?

>>92436913
>New lives completely unconnected with any of the shit that has previously gone down.
That's kind of amazing.
>A whole new generation of pure innocence for IDW Transformers to abuse the shit out of and leave broken shells.
That got dark so fast but it's so true.

>>92436346
Well, Primes are terrible characters then, and fly in the face of what good writing should be.

>>92437252
At least we're getting that with Optimus' fanboy squad.

>>92437838
>Primes are bad because ideals and idealizations are automatically bad writing
That's pretty edgy.

>>92437890
So much disillusionment already, so many tears. I wonder what percentage of the ones who survive will turn into villains?

>>92417822
Everything

>>92438204
>I wonder what percentage of the ones who survive will turn into villains?
I'm actually laughing at the thought of this. All the Camiens went faithful and happy to jaded in a single trip to Earth.

>>92436913
Actually what the hell happened to Optimus? In Dark Cyber ton it seemed like he had finally thrown away all his depression and self doubt? Come exrid S2 and he immediately reverts to being indecisive, unconfident in his primacy, etc., etc.

>>92439129
It was one thing to just be a Prime, the redeemer of the line of Primes, but it is another thing entirely to struggle with deification. He was about to dash that to the Camiens when he opened his chest and the damn Matrix flared up. To find out he's part of a holy line going back to the dawn of their race... No to mention that he can handle people following him because his cause is just and moral, but to follow him because he's some kind of religious icon? That has shaken him. Even then he's still been bold and decisive. Just as Galvatron's severed head or humanity after he just declared them part of the Cybertronian empire.

I think what has troubled him most is that if he is a holy figure he's one who is complicit in the destruction of their homeworld and so many people across the galaxy. Being a holy agent of destiny, it turns out, doesn't give you any insight at all.

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>>92439984
Shit like this I wish IDW adopted Sunstorm from Dreamwave.

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>>92433382
>They're literally medieval knights

>>92440630
It's cinematic genius that you don't understand

Is there a booru or something similar for Transformers? I want reaction images and cute stuff.

>>92440630
>midevil warriors saw them an aped there look and titles

Works for me desu.

So um is Star Saber ever going to be redeemed?

Also never read the comics, but how much has JP G1 ever been used? JP G1 ie a strange and wonderful thing.

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>>92441140
Not that I know of.

>>92441230
I think Deathsaurus and his warworld have cropped up a few times in relation to the Decepticon Justice Department. They tried to recruit him to their twisted ass bullshit, and he begrudgingly agreed because the DJD literally fucking eats people, but he tested them first to see whether or not their leader valued his men.

He doesn't. But he tricked him and got him on his side anyway, and when the true depths of his madness came to a head at the fight on Necroworld, Deathsaurus took his men and what disillusioned DJDers remained and made a retreat, because he realized the cause he'd been roped into was bullshit and he was getting his men slaughtered for nothing.

>>92441230
I hope not.

I love space marine starsaber

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>>92441140
>I want reaction images and cute stuff
Don't we all.

>>92441612
It's all fun and games until someone sets the kitty's insides on fire.

I'm too kind to post the relevant images or .gif.

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>>92441944
fuck, now i'm sad again

>>92436704
Wait Rodimus said that?

>>92441230
He doesn't need to be redeemed, we just need to understand him better.

If you take a hero and make him a villain at least explain how they became the way they are.

I'm curious to see his origins.

>>92442701
Yeah when he, optimus and nightbeat were all in the dead universe.

>>92443996
That's a legit great monologue.

Fuck it hurts Rodimus can't having meaningful development anymore.

>>92444633
It's sadly just my headcanon, but I rationalize his current portrayal as Rodimus no longer being under the pressure of a war going on. Now he's just a captain of a ship. They're on a holy quest, sure, but there's no war. It should be simpler. Not stress free but different and much better.

That said now that the stakes are much higher he should be showing signs of his previous characterization than what Roberts is doing to him now.

>>92439984
Was there ever an explanation to his matrix popping up to the Camiens? That being said I love how all this weird bullshit happens to him but he's still an atheist/agnostic. Optimus is so clearly something of legend and destiny.

>>92445266
I don't think so, but if memory serves it still had a glowing event recently. Was it the annual? We did see it briefly in Optimus Prime (#4 I think) and it was normal enough. Or I could just be misremembering.

When it first happened it felt like it might be trickery, though given Optimus and his expression he wouldn't have been involved. Honestly who would/could do that? I can't imagine Starscream would want it unless he felt it would make the Camiens more likely to acquiesce and join Cybertron but it elevates Optimus into a position he does NOT want.

So for now I go with it being mystical shit. If Roberts gets involved probably it's quantum bullshit like the moment they created the Functionist Universe that universe always existed and somehow the Matrix is reacting across the gulf of reality or whatever BS explanation they use.

>>92440103
What was Dreamwave Sunstorm like? I've never read those comics and not sure if I ever plan to but I tend to like crazy zealot characters along with noble faithful knight characters (like Cyclonus for example).

>>92446163
>So for now I go with it being mystical shit. If Roberts gets involved probably it's quantum bullshit like the moment they created the Functionist Universe that universe always existed and somehow the Matrix is reacting across the gulf of reality or whatever BS explanation they use.
I swear part of what makes the idea of primes and the matrix fun in the first place is the weird space magic and super powers involved with them. I like the idea or Alpha Trion being a space magic wizard and I like the idea of Onyx Prime being a seer who can look straight into the allspark. If all of that gets explained away via quantum physics it's going to be do lame and such a let down.

I liked the idea of Primus being a divine super computer because it's a mechanical being figured out how to transcend beyond reality.

>>92446212
He was a crazy zealot, so you should probably check it out.
He basically had the Transformers bible downloaded into his brain and went out evangelising while also shooting people.

>>92446636
Now I'm pissed he's not like this in the IDWverse and got killed off in a one shot. What the hell. That sounds like fun.

I don't mind female autobots IF they recognize that they're created, not born or sexed or whatever. It's like female AI, it's just a program, not sex organs

>>92417822
Nothing

>>92446636
This crazy idea is what got me hooked onto TF. It sucks DW died before they could finish the story. I could totally see it fitting with the Way of Flame theme him being crazy religious and constantly burning.

>>92448236
The only female Cybertronian is Arcee and she was forcefully changed so that's pretty much the case.

>>92448236
How is this not true of all of them?

What I don't get is why it matters when we absolutely refer to all the other autobots as males. Why be picky about it? They're not men. They have no dicks. Why call them "he" or "him"? Why assume they're male?

The short answer is none of it matters 'cuz they're fucking aliens man. And they're the ones that are quick to point out they're not robots. There's some creation lore in IDW at the moment that's pretty cool but only some of them are actually "built". Ones like Optimus are "forged", which they equate to being born from Primus, and seems to be considered the most natural means of creation.

>>92448475
Retconned after someone rightfully pointed out that making Arcee a crazy tranny was even dumber than just letting her be a girl.

Turns out Jaxus's mindfuckery had her too screwed up to remember everything correctly, and she's in the form she was meant to be all along. Also, Jaxpax wasn't the one who introduced genders to the species, because what sense would that make - they'd all have been created by him, and they'd all know it - so it would have been stupid.

tl;dr it was a dumb story and then everyone involved realized it and they rolled it back.

>>92448799
So the answer is that when the hot spots started to die out, female cybertronians were forged less and less I guess? Or maybe with Solus and Adaptus(that one is a stretch, I'm only saying his name because he's a shapeshifter) left maybe the hot spots no longer produced bots of their type?

>>92448799
>Retconned after someone rightfully pointed out that making Arcee a crazy tranny was even dumber than just letting her be a girl.
I don't like the trans idea but I did like the idea of a society with literally no concept of gender which makes sense for robots seeing how they have no sexual features to structure their idea of gender on.

>>92448799
Furman was a mistake.

>>92449479
Plausible enough. Apparently they were playing with the idea of it being attached to spark type, but they didn't feel comfortable making gender tied to that. Can't say I understand but I don't really care either? Frankly I'm fine just saying "okay, girl robots too, whatever".

What's interesting, and I found out about this today because I'd never really watched it all before, but female cybertronians were introduced back in G1 in the original cartoon (and it wasn't Arcee - it was Chromia and Elita 1 and a bunch of other charlies angels robots).

Shockwave makes a point of being surprised and comments "FEMALE autobots? I thought they were extinct." So that seems to be the way the comics are going. So it's not all pandering, it's actually got a root in the G1 canon.

>>92449562
I just feel like that kind of thing opens the whole agender can of worms as opposed to the transgender can of worms we had before. It's bad enough we risk a shitstorm about binary genders as it is.

>>92449562
I do like that their "gender" is effectively sex and only accounts for medical reasons and not a single damn social one.

>>92417822
The gays!

>>92449811
Transformers have been gay since G1 dude.

>>92449780
>is effectively sex and only accounts for medical reasons
I thought that was retconned too seeing how Arcee having a different "DNA" was also introduced with her spotlight.

>>92448799
When did they retconnit to memory loss

Also ibhate that fuckersbgotnsontrigured by this. Their robits they dontbfucking have gender. If you want female robits youngotta have a reason

>>92449885
it was also retconned, other anon isnt up to date

>>92449908
anon are you have a stroke or just sperging that hard

>>92449885
Arcee's spotlight is pretty much what got retconned though.

They didn't want gender being written into DNA because that had unpleasant implications.

>>92449908
Check Arcee's tfwiki page.

And they've always had gender. They're not robots built by aliens. They're living machines, aliens. They can be whatever they damn well wanna be.

>>92449675
In the g1 cartoon it made sense. The tfs were product lines created by the Quintessons (and the divide between Decepticons/Autobots were a result of one being the military hardware and the other being the consumer line). Naturally the idea of female looking robots created as product lines then made sense.

>>92449885
Spark type and such. Anything that differentiates them as anything other than cybertronian is effectively down to how they choose to present themselves since they have no analogue to the human way of sex and children and such.

>>92449908
A long time ago. Information drift. You remember it but not quite right. Older You get worse it gets. I think Alpha Trion is like the only one not to suffer this to some degree, but his Prime function is basically historian/prophet.

>>92450003
See what I don't get is that it's only when females are brought up that people care.

When it's just males, nobody minds or cares or says anything. And it's not just you guys. Michael fucking Bay makes the same argument, he hates female transformers too.

>>92450071
>they have no analogue to the human way of sex and children and such
They do have an idea of children, at least, not HAVING children, but children as a thing. They call them protoforms.

>>92450003
No, unless I'm getting it mixed up with a different universe, the quintessons found them early into their natural evolution and enslaved them. Turned them into a fighting force and slave labor until cybertronian rebelled.

>>92449959
Which makes even less sense, how wouldn non organic life have such a specific organic functionnthat ends up being usless for them?

>>92450151
But protoforms still aren't that close. Basically as soon as you transition from protoform to "sparkling" childhood is over. They need no one to teach them basic information. They're born knowing speech, math, a certain degree of emotional understanding. They basically skip childhood completely and go straight into teen/young adult age.

>>92450203
That sounds like functionist rhetoric, anon.

>>92450300
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

>>92450342
Unless it's a military clock. Then it's only right once a day.

>>92450122
>Information drift.
Information creep. If you're Caminus it's called blurred data.

>>92450434
...its already happening. I'm only 27...

>>92450462
Oh anon, it gets so much worse, just wait.

>>92450151
>, but children as a thing.
TFRID cartoon has Bumblebee constantly referring Sideswipe and Strongarm as kids. Even got words of wisdom from Denny about dealing with the age difference.

>>92450122
Information creep is such bullshit. Wouldn't they write things down somewhere. Especially Trion who's supposed to be a historian.

Would it even effect someone like Vector Prime who's always a multiversal entity no matter what?

>>92450904
Is vector prime around?

Trion's been flying through space trying to keep Metrotitan out of decepticon hands for millions of years. I don't know how closely he's been paying attention either.

Otherwise, maybe they did, but they've been at war for millions of years. Burning records seems like the sorta bullshit the decepticons would do.

>>92450904
>Wouldn't they write things down somewhere.
Being at war for four million years tends to destroy things and make people lose stuff. At the very beginning of mtmte Red Alerts tells Rung he's amazed he was able to even keep all his little ship models. Apparently a shit ton of stuff was lost by everyone, and any libraries or depositories of information were probably blown up early in the war.

>>92450904
>Wouldn't they write things down somewhere.
War anon. It's also a real thing with humans.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_errors

>>92450974
>Is vector prime around?
Vector Prime will always be around.
In fact he was apparently surprised when he saw the functionist universe pop up. The exact same Vector also witnessed events in TFA and TFP.
No amount of "shrouding" can retcon has position of multiversal guardian and god do I hope Barber and Roberts stick to it because it's so cool. I'm going to be really pissed off if they try to demonize him. He's the coolest prime.

>>92444633

I don't think Roddy's ever had any meaningful developments that actually stuck. Really at this point I feel no pity for him. Between Doubledealer, his betrayal and near death after AHM, and everything in MtMtE he should be a very different Mechanoid.

How many people here remember the time Hotrod went asteroid surfing and nearly killed himself when he crash landed/wiped out? Sometimes it feels like people are forgetting he did stupid things before Roberts got a hold of him.

>>92451236
He should be far more mature that's for sure. Still cocky and smug but not an absolute bufoon.

>>92451346
I just miss him doing stupid, FUNNY stuff.

>>92451346
Yes but that was what? His spotlight? Chronologically isn't that his very first appearance. There's a big difference between Hotrod then and the one hands Optimus the Matrix before leaving back to Cybertron to face off with the dead universe.

>>92417822
IDW's scheduling and delays. It's only been five issues, chill out.

So im looking through Vector Primes wiki page and the Trans tech universe sounds cool and fun as hell. They should expand on it.

>>92451399
Rodimus has never been shy about taking chances when it's himself. Surfing an asteroid to get into a decepticon compound undetected because it's the only way to be discreet? Totally something he'd do at ANY point.

Can someone post the Mega link for the comics. I want to read Hearts of Steel.

>>92453599
would like the link too, I need to catch up on taao

>>92451346
Hot Rod's development in IDW has been a mess. Ignoring the early war issues he went from rookie leader, to adrenaline junkie hiding his insecurities in his recklessness and being a loner to prevent another tragedy under his command, then AHM gives us vanilla Hot Rod, after that we get religious nut Rodimus Prime who later turns the religious shit down a bit and steps up to be a better leader, after THAT he's now an irresponsible buffon who just flies in the face of his initial characterization and his idiocy ends up getting many of his crew killed. After it seems like he's ready to lead properly, we go BACK to the buffoon not long after.

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Do you think James can ever recover his dwindling fanbase?

Honestly, I think the organics they saved being the lost cybertronians but disguised was a bad idea.

>Drift could have taken Terminus' role as Megatron foil. Also why haven't they said anything to eachother, the fuck is this.
>Roller's adorable but his only purpose seems to be "ha HA betcha thought I was Tarn, didn't ya?"
>Anode's plotline is taking up way too much panel space and nobody cares because she's so new

Then we have Rodimus obsessed with the mutineers over doing what he thinks is right and helping out the functionist universe--which makes sense given his carving the numbers who wanted him to step down into his hand, but we're getting none of it explored.

Megatron isn't struggling with his hate and fear of functionists at all, he's just being an angstier Optimus Prime.
Rung's true purpose is kinda cool because it invalidates the cold constructed bots are lesser idea but that isn't really currently a part of the plot, it seems more related to MTMTE season 1. His making new sparks would have made more sense as a cool important factor. Unless he can do that, too.

Also what the fuck is the point of an alternate universe if alternate universe characters aren't really gonna show up? Like, who cares about alternate universe!Anode? Where's Alternate!Starscream or Alternate!Roddy or anybody?

Hopefully the next issue will have more of the core cast and less...what seems like filler desu.

>>92455414
Ouch, but funny.
What toys are they talking about though?

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>>92451346
He still asteroid surfs in MTMTE/LL.

>>92455562
No idea I'm afraid!
Ouch but funny indeed lol

>>92455562
I'm not sure, I know a few of the Titan's Return line has MTMTE/LL headsculpts/appearances, like their Chromedome and Rewind.

There's lots of nice incredibly expensive third party toys with faithful IDW appearances, though.

>>92455606
>>92455613
Not gonna lie, I would still buy a few of my favorites from season one of mtmte, or Nautica if we ever get one that actually looks like her.

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>>92455649
I've got a few 3P transformers, they're very high quality, but it depends on what favourites you're looking for. Mastermind Creations are currently making the best IDW-faithful toys, imo.

>>92455500
>Like, who cares about alternate universe!Anode? Where's Alternate!Starscream or Alternate!Roddy or anybody?

Anyone constructed cold wouldn't show up, so Starscream's out. That being said, I'd expect someone like Kup or Soundwave to show up.

That being said Ratchet, Pharma, Dominus, Minimus haven't shown up. Where the fuck are they?

>>92455705
Dominus is a flathead and still alive in-universe, so I was really hoping for some sort of encounter with Rewind. Alas, so far. ):

And cold constructions were still a thing in the functionist universe, it's all the same as the original universe but Megatron was simply killed as he was being constructed and thus did not begin the rebellion, from what I can recall.

>>92455702
Those DJD look great. I'd really like to get a Rodimus Drift and Skids. I know there was an official Skids but I never saw him in stores and for Rodimus and Drift I only really know about their older version but those dont do it for me for mtmte versions.

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>>92455855
Generations Skids is pretty good, I have him in my collection! You can get him really cheap on eBay.

If you can't get Cloud Hot Rodimus (the closest current existing Roddy) There are two Rodimuses (Rodimi?), MMC "Calidus" and SXS "Hot Flame" coming out in a few months. They both look good imo, but i'll probably get the MMC one because he comes with some extras and I feel the quality will be more assured.

Generations Drift's got a great mold but doesn't scale too well with any of the Rodimus figs coming out.

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So is Megatron gonna fight the moon next issue?

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>>92455355

yeah it hurts a lot.

though with everything around Dark Cybertron, it just became everyone shits on him (rightfully so) but then Megatron is forced to become his co-captain, that hurt his ego even more so.

I can totally see why he regressed but now this season, he has to get good.

>>92455414
Funny how he responds to this but not any of the legitimate criticism that has been flooding the tags in recent days. In fact I think he's only been on twitter as of late to retweet articles that stroke his ego.

>>92457226
With that kind of attitude, he would fit right in at Marvel.

>>92457255
Ha! You're probably right.

>>92418821

>
Roberts really can't do a big cast, why he needed to keep introducing more characters I'll never know.

With luck, so that he can abuse the main cast by creatively murdering them off.

Can someone post the comics?

>>92451442
>only five issues
m8 listen to yourself

>>92457721
the comics?

https://twitter.com/markerguru/status/864587767849922562
>Milne is apparently going back on the comic from issue 10
Too little too late for me, but... I'm happy for him.

>>92457997
He always was suppose to, but I think he has a new ongoing duties on the Rom comic.

The plot goes literally nowhere.
The plot device of durr alternate universe\timeline has been stale ever since the first one.
Pointless pumping up the roster.
Introducing new and shitty plot strands just to avoid writing anything conclusive.
Dialogue and character interactions are fanfiction tier.
Now not even worth checking it out for the art.

Basically, it looks like Roberts was doing great in case of shorter series like LSOTW, or the first season of MTME when the series was still fresh and could've been canceled on the spot. Now it looks like ~7000 dedicated fans is enough for IDW to keep printing the book, so he doesn't give a shit and is content writing a Doctor Who x TF fanfic his 14 y/o self always wanted to write.

Good riddance.

>>92458033
No, Rom vs Transformers is just a miniseries.

>>92457997
This doesn't say much. He might just be doing the covers?

>>92458128
Feels more like a broken record, or is this exploring past interactions between the two?

>>92455414
Yes because he's gaining more obnoxious fans thanks to kissing ass and pandering only to his fans who have large twitter followings.

>>92457798
i am fully aware of what i said. it feels like it's been going on for more than five issues because of the release schedule, but the actual amount of content and the time actually spent on that content is appropriate for the number of issues actually released.

>>92458333
I liked it better when he didn't have an internet presence and only occasionally did Q&A for TFW and interviews for podcasts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ue7cNNfjCyc

New The Last Knight trailer is out.

Revolutionaries 4?

>>92457997

I knew issue 10 was going to be THE issue of the year.

>>92458834
pro: holy shit, finally some transformations
con: ANOTHER character? this keeps getting messier and messier

>>92458925
Don't worry, he'll probably die like Cade's buddy. On the plus side, hey, he'll look great in a rock garden now

>>92458925
Bee reminded me of Wreck-Gar.

>>92459089
It's AoE legoforming lite and is still a terrible decision

>>92455971
Thanks for all the information, I think I'll get Skids first since he's currently available and relatively cheap.
Both those Rodimuses look great but I think I'm going to wait for reviews since they're a bit pricey.

Can someone post Revolutionaries # 4?

>>92459857
And the pastebin please?

>>92459857
No

>>92458925
>con: ANOTHER character? this keeps getting messier and messier

Carmichael was already known to be in the cast over a year ago but this is the first time any of his scenes are shown.

I almost thought he'd been cut out.

>>92455702
Sucks being the company that makes the whole DJD now that those characters became shit and lost all their popularity.

>>92461968
>and lost all their popularity
The fans still love them and their figures sell out within hours man. Tarn sold out in under an hour when his preorder first went up in fact. He's on his third production run right now and the other two are sold out everywhere and both had multiple runs.
They're still insanely popular, it's just Roberts was an idiot and killed them off.

>>92462153
The DJD were always replaceable. They shall rise again and again for Megatron's ideas can outlast Megatron himself. You can kill a bot, but you cannot kill ideas.

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>>92462502

Can anyone post ROM # 10 and Revolutionaries # 4?

>>92463666
Gimme a bit and I'll do it. Sorry about the wait.

Would anyone else like models of the Arks, Nemeisis, and ships like the WAP?

>>92463666
>>92464575

>>92462666
Geezus, Fred, Lord of Darkness and Eternal Damnation, don't you have traps to fap to with Getaway?

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>>92462502
>>92462666

I find it amusing you picked Fred as a reaction imagine considering who voices him.

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>>92464827
I heard him go from Fred straight into Megatron at a panel once and it's mentally disturbing but funny as hell.

>>92465134
Sounds awesome!

>>92462502
The whole deal with the DJD was the expectation from see a five unestoppable killing machines vs the protagonists and the possible backstories, at least from Tarn. And what we had was the whole team killed in a single page.

>>92425047
AHM is a weird book. It really seems like it was fucked by poor planning and editorial decisions, in addition to questionable writing.

On one hand, it kinda works nice as a soft reboot if you were coming with just a general knowledge of old cartoons and Marvel comics. On the other, Sunstreaker's subplot was crucial to the whole story and if you didn't read like, the majority of IDW output released before, you would miss on a lot of otherwise poignant scenes.

Coming from Furman's books, it was very jarring because AHM didn't spend nearly enough time on explaining what happened between the end of Revelations and Megatron's invasion. There were some rather awkwardly spliced in flashbacks, but in such a decompressed book that spent about a thrid part on picturing the plight of ultimatley pointless human survivors, it was hardly enough.

There were some fantastic scenes, though, especially the initial invasion and the ambush flashback. The characterization was simple, but it worked and some things even carried over. The general idea was also great, but as many things in the book, it felt really undeveloped. Also, Guido did a remarkable job on that book.

I remember it quite fondly even though there were some glaring, inexcusable flaws.

Oh well back to time-traveling gay robots

>>92464594
I just can't get into these two. Even with borrowed bots, they just don't click. Feels like any other cape comics.

>>92466605
Why isn't Guido working on Transformers anymore?

>>92465134
TFCon?

>>92466525
Not all of them. Tarn team killed one.

The thing is death by Megatron is hardly going out like a bitch. He's the gold standard for brutality even over anything the DJD may hope to achieve, so much so that in Ironhide's vision of the future it's believed that both he and Optimus are like an eternal force in the galaxy who will both go on forever opposing each other. This is touched on in other comics too, specifically about how many times they'd seeming "died" and come back bigger, better, and, in Megatron's case, badder than ever with new bodies.

The big problem with their deaths, I feel, is how bullshit Megatron did it using exrtradimensional antimatter shenanigans thanks to Whirl's missing arm and Frenzy infodumping it as he lay dying. I mean it was so many layers of bullshit piled on each other there was no way it was going to be satisfying. Though far simplar, yeah, I think if Megatron pointed out that the shield wasn't to protect himself but to keep them locked in with him so they couldn't escape and he unleashed ten tons of goddamn fury and murder on their afts people would have been a lot less bitchy about the whole thing.

>>92468671
Sorry, but the appeal of the DJD was to know who was Tarn and how would be the fight against the main characters.
That was the reason of their story develpment. A new DJD is only another bunch of who.

>>92468671
>The big problem with their deaths, I feel, is how bullshit Megatron did it using exrtradimensional antimatter shenanigans thanks to Whirl's missing arm and Frenzy infodumping it as he lay dying.

The antimatter crap is one of Megatrons powers though. and he used Trailcutters forcefield, didn't he?

>>92470255
It's a reference to an old bit of toy packaging.

>>92470150
>the appeal of the DJD was to know who was Tarn
I doubt it was the only thing, especially since Glitch was predicted by fans for a fucking long time before the reveal. People had all kinds of things they found interesting. Some just liked their weird Decepticon Wrestling Federation vibe, or the Ginyu Force crap.

The DJD replacing its membership was something Roberts dropped to us way before he revealed it. It was already a known quantity that frankly made guessing their identifies a bit silly since we have no idea if they were still the same guys we'd heard about or even seen before. Seems like even their looks and the retrofit to their bodies is something that happens when sacrificing their original identity.

Besides, if that was the OLD reason for any appeal there is hardly any reason why they couldn't introduce a new one with some other mystery or interest hook attached. Personally I never gave a shit about them so they can rot in silicon hell for all I care, but it's certainly possible.

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>>92470770
Megs needs to work on that 4 speed. Dude's slow.

>>92470835
Well, whereas everyone else transforms into jets or race cars, he turns into a gun.

>>92470850
Very Fast Gun Running at Incredible Hihg Speed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLNCjwZc8JA

>>92470850
Well can clearly see the real cause, you don't have to make shit up. It's that big trigger between his legs. Impressive, clearly, but it slows him down. Still, better to be hung then Rung.

>>92470690
>back when Roberts was good

I love Chaos Theory. It and Spotlight Megatron are probably my favorite Megatron comics.

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>>92470737
Yeah yeah, impressive and all but it's not like he mastered the awesome power of Kirby Dots. Dude could barely handle radioactive spider blood.

>>92466667
>Why isn't Guido working on Transformers anymore?

IDW are cheapfucks.

>>92470897
>All hail the useless one!

Why is Megatron the only one in IDW with legit super powers? I swear the primes better be on some magical shit otherwise everything is going to be nothing but underwhelming laser light shows and explosions.

Eh, I guess Soundwave has super powers too.

>>92470770
Sure the antimatter thing is nothing new but tossed in like it was it was still awkward as fuck. And poor Ravage, even when he's ripped in half and no longer has an ass he's still leaving a big steaming pile of exposition all over the Necrobot's carpet. Can't even die with dignity, no, he's a rambling mouthpiece to show us what a clever clogs Roberts is.

>>92471021
You clearly haven't read any IDW, anon. They have an entire term for people with strange and unusual powers.

>>92470850
He can fly though, Superman style. Why bother turning into a jet?

>>92471124
He seems to fly about the same speed he'd run, though. A lot different from having jet thrusters.

>>92471124
A gun is still not practical for a leader of a organization.

>>92471124
>Giant Robot
>Superman style
>Is a gun
HOLY SHIT

>>92471299
Was the Iron Giant a Cybertronian all along?

>>92471181
>be a seeker
>flying in formation with Megatron
>don't know whether to be jealous he can fly without 90% of his body being wing kibble, or embarrassed at having to crawl along at his pace

>>92471096
Outliers, sure. Basically Cybertronian X-Men. Then we've got .1 Percenters, which includes Megatron. They're typically bigger and badder than normal Cybertronians but some like the load bearers can be used to power armor suits and end up as Ultra Magnus. Megatron has been upgraded several times by Shockwave and he's dabbled in Weird Science a bit himself. We've also recently seen Tailgate gain super Cybertronian strength and apparently straight up murdered over a hundred Cons in the battle for the Necrobot's planet. Nightbeat has his Sherlock Holme's thing if that counts as a super power or not, definitely a useful plot device regardless. We've got mnemosurgeons. We've got cityspeakers. We've got Optimus able to raise Titans with a command. We've got Titan Masters, too, but no clue how they work. We've had Headmasters and Pretenders. Phase Sixers who can murder entire planets. Teleportation is something that can be installed, happened to Megatron and also Star Saber. Rodimus still has The Touch and can fertilize entire fields of sparks. Speaking of Rodimus he's had on-again-off-again fire powers, last time manifesting those as his special gift from being exposed to Skid's trauma induced spark flare which gave everyone exposed powers.

And the Primes are some next level shit. Onyx and the Enigma of Combination, Micronus created an entire tiny universe filled with even tinier men. Solus and her legendary Forge. Galvatron is the only known non-Prime (as far as we know!) who supposed killed one of the Thirteen Prime's who supposedly can only be killed by other Primes, but then death is kind of variable where the Thirteen are concerned. Alpha Trion has strange abilities, too, and actually used Vector Sigma to resurrect Ironhide. Whether that counts as a super power or not, well, I guess knowledge is power. The Dead Universe had all kinds of weirdness that it did to people.

>>92471434
>and can fertilize entire fields of sparks
Rung hit the ground at the same time Rodimus did, and given what we know of Rung now it's equally likely he's the one that ignited it.

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>>92470737
>>92470770

Lately I've seen people call certain things BS when it has always been part of the TF history. I'm glad folks like you guys are around.

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>>92458834
STARSCREAAAAAAAM

>>92468671
I don't know if I missed it or forgot it, but why did Tarn not use his spark powers/voice/Glitch powers kill Megatron before he atomized all of the DJD?

>>92472162
Megs might have some sort of defense against it like how Megs had a kill-switch for Overlord (and other six phasers) originally.

>>92458571
Not even what anyone is talking about.

>>92458834
The hell? Did Bumblebee suddenly turn into Steel Jeeg when I wasn't looking?

>>92472162
I'm not sure his Glitch powers would even work on Megatron. There does seem to have been some attempt to render some of the augmented less capable against him. Glitch's powers are from being an Outlier, true, but who knows what was done to him when they opened him up.

I think it was mostly just the Phase Sixers who were outright said to have special limitations against turning on Megatron, but then the DJD were Phase Sixer killers so I'm not sure why they'd be exempt. Honestly I have no clue.

>>92471096
Ive read pretty much every comic in this continuity but you can't really compare the majority of outlier abilities to things as crazy as anti matter manipulation and things the primes are capable of.

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>>92458834
>"Hey guys I survived the third movie, what did I mi- GAK"

>>92472461
I hope he survives this one, I really like his new design.

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>>92472342
Likely used the Transformium technology from AoE and upgraded Bee.

>>92472549
So long as he doesn't just become a swirling clump of grey squares, I'm fine with it.

>>92472445
Some powers being more powerful than others is hardly the same thing as only the guy with the biggest and best abilities qualifying for having "super powers." IDWformers has super powers all over the fucking place. Check out >>92471434

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>>92472549
>Able to rebuild

>>92468671
>The thing is death by Megatron is hardly going out like a bitch.
I remember you've posted this exact line before previously and I'm sorry dude but I completely disagree. This was the fucking DJD, they were specifically trained, and chosen for their ability to take out the worst or the worst big bad Decepticons. Even if it is Megatron they shouldn't have died so easily like little bitches, they hunt Phase Sixers on a regular business for fucks sakes, it's pathetic.

>>92471434
A cityspeaker is actually something that can be learned according to M. Scott. And Alpha Trion's ability is prophecy, but he sees each vision in the time it happens. So if he had a vision of the future back in the 13 Primes era about modern day Cybertron, it would be with everything in the language and vernacular of the time he's seeing. So basically no one knows what his visions mean until the age they are supposed to happen.

>>92472162
Bad writing

>>92472162
THIS
>>92473799
There was no given explanation why Tarn didn't just explode Megatron's spark right then and there instead of watching his whole team go down like jobbers.
>give your character an amazing power that could end most any standoff they're in
>character never fucking uses it and then dies

>>92473575
Prophecy or visions are tricky. Optimus saw one recently, after all. Others have, too. Apparently becoming a combiner at a future point was enough to cause several Cybertronians to have different visions in the past (and for more fun some of those visions were of the future!)

Might be interesting if Optimus' visions are why the others had them due to combining with him.

>>92473890
Tarn looked pretty darn disturbed after Megatron went voodoo-evil. He was probably too shock just how powerful someone who he constantly worshiped put on display.

>>92474158
Pretty much all I can imagine is that Tarn wanted to see Megatron battered, broken, humiliated, and admitting he was wrong to ever step away from the Decepticons. Glitch voice powers, however those work now since they seem to have changed/evolved, would have been too quick and unsatisfying.

Then again I imagine someone somewhere is convinced the DJD chumped out during he fight because they were secretly programmed to not be able to kill Megatron, thus all they did, however much it hurt him, were things they knew he could survive so it didn't violate their secret programming.

I guess there could be some merit to that. For a guy who HATED mind control when inflicted on himself, he had no problems seeing it turned on others.

>>92474508
>secretly programmed to not be able to kill Megatron

Overlord knew of the killswitch and virus in him but other six phasers probably didn't. Megatron might of implemented something similar to the DJD. Maybe not anything mind-control related but maybe more similar to the virus that weakens them.

>>92474158

Megatron tore through them with tendrils of antimatter. Tarn was saved for last. Like slowly being judge by an angry god you is punishing you in the worse way. That would freak out even the mightiest.

>>92474659
It's entirely possible his ability also requires focus and time. Being faced with your soon to be death by anti-matter while trapped in a bubble you can't get out of would break the focus of most people.

>>92474753
It's also possible Tarn's ability had a limit and Megs was too OP.

>>92474753
>>92474782
>questions we'll never know the fucking answers to
Dammit Roberts.

I want to start reading the IDW Transformers (they're the current publishers right?) anyone got recs for what series/runs I should avoid and where to start?

>>92474782
"Your songs don't work on me, Tarn, because I'm TONE DEAF! Seriously, just as Soundwave!"

>>92475197
Someone has a comic guide image somewhere.

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>>92472461
>Barricade in the entirety of the movie jobs as a running joke

>Every Decepticon grunt dies but him

I'd laugh too hard.

>>92475915
At this point Barricade should be joining the winning team.

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>>92475948
Notice in the trailer he has his knuckles as PUNISH rather than the inverted PROTECT/SERVE ones, and that's during the junkyard scenes.

During production, his tagline was his iconic Punish ?nd Ensl?ve before becoming H?il Meg?tron.

>>92475342
thank you friend.

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>>92475342
Oh right, I should probably update that for this week. Good job on actually posting the most recent version at the time, almost nobody does when I see it posted.

>>92466667
He's doing the HOS flashbacks in Revolutionaries #5.
Otherwise I think he's just burned out on robots.

>>92477405
Zander

>>92477435
yes hello

>>92429334
Would also explain why he's trying to rip himself apart.

Gah!

Who am ah?

Where am ah?

What am ah doing?

>>92478102
Ironhide go talk to Alpha Trion, he'll explain things.

>>92478102
SKIDS!

>>92478541
Am i running away?

It feels like I'm running away

..Actually it feels like I've escaped.

Maybe I'm just being paranoid?

>>92478518
I can't type with a Scottish accent.

>>92478742
CANNAE NOH SPEAK IN YER ON DAMN TONGUE, LAD?

>>92478102
>>92478697
>>92478742
>>92478758
stop this bullshit