do women actually like WW?

>>92412041
>It´s obvious without googling that a pervy man created her.
You're just fucking with us, aren't you? You know exactly who created her and why.

I'm a woman and I like Diana.

>>92412041
Just think Superman in regards to men. He is one big power fantasy to admire. Wonder Woman, when we consider the subtext Marston was going for was not just to draw his fetish, but have a woman who would liberate herself on her own. She's an empowering character much like Superman.

However, today's folks prefer having characters they can relate to, over characters they admire. This is why Superman and Wonder Woman are at their best when they are written as humanistic.

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>>92412041
no one likes WW just like no one likes DC in general

and June 2nd will prove it

my mom is apeshit about WW

I shouldve gotten her something WW related for mothersday. . .

>created by a pervy man

oh you simple ignorant child.

>William Moulton Marston, a psychologist already famous for inventing the polygraph, struck upon an idea for a new kind of superhero, one who would triumph not with fists or firepower, but with love. "Fine," said Elizabeth (his wife). "But make her a woman."

>>92412283
all its gonna prove its that WB cant make comic movies

Femanon here. I love Diana.

I want Diana to step on me.

>>92412041
>pervy old man
It's comics femanon, all superheroes are created by pervy old men.

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>>92412344
they can't make any other kind either

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Don't feel like ranting so just gonna post something fun.

she has theoretical fans who like the concept of her and fans of only single specific runs who REEEEEE with every new writer

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She's been around for a very long time so people most like her.

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>When Wonder Woman was created in 1941, she was imagined by the Harvard-educated William Moulton Marston specifically to reflect the liberated women of the era and inspire readers of all genders about the role of women in society.
>Strong, powerful, confident and brave, Wonder Woman was created to be a character who saved the day not with violence, but with love and understanding.

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>>92412559
>modern big studio can't make good movies
Surely you jest

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>>92412998
The only time people REEE'd was when Heinberg/Picoult turned the comic into a Wonder Woman '77 reboot, when JMS made his ungodly pile of feces, when Azzarello took over and when Finch took over.

So only when writers specifically went out of their way to shit upon the character's long history.

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Fans didn't even REEEEE when Byrne went full retard with his run.

>>92412306
Marston was actually friendly with many of the early feminists and there are several writers on the early history of WW who claim those figures had a hand in creating her.

does she have any series where she's just going on fun adventures

>>92412283
>no one likes DC in general
Here's your (you), Marvel-fag.

>>92413111
nice trips
when is Byrne not a retard

Women like her, Feminists don't

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>>92413171
there's a reason they get nothing but no-names and has-beens while based Marvel gets all the biggest celebrities

>>92413138
Damn skippy

young women today forget what a feminist icon she was. They just see tits and ass in a comic book and assume

>"HURR DURR STUPID MALE SEX FANTASY"

>>92413236
>while based Marvel gets all the biggest celebrities
Name some that are not currently near death.

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>>92413138
They did indeed.

Wonder Woman represents the ideals of the First Wave of feminism in the United States which was still going strong in those days.

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She was also a major figure of the Second Wave and "women's lib", being a literal inspiration for Gloria Steinem.

>>92412164
A pervert with an obsession with his fetish.

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I hate that this has all been meme'd into being "lol some old cuck who pounded off to bondage xD"

>>92413326
eh more like second wave

>first wave
we want to vote

>second waves
we want jobs and equal pay and sexual freedom

>third wave
kill all the cis het men. safe spaces for everyone else

>>92413092
Picoult was only brought in when Heinberg's delays in handing in scripts handicapped the book's publication schedule. Picoult who was a novelist for womens lit got the ongoing while DC handed Rucka's ideas for Amazons Attack to Pfeifer with the addition of connecting it to Countdown.

So what happened:
1) Rucka and Didio disagee on the post-OYL handling of WW. Didio wanted her to go on the run ala the fugitive Rucka then left.

2) Heinberg coming off from YA gets the job and does a soft reboot with inspiration from the O'Neil Jumpsuit era. But his inability at meeting deadlines causes DC:

3) To go to Picoult and Will Pfifer the new writer for Catwoman to do the AA event.

4) They messed it up and in the mean time the editors offer it to Simone due to her experience with BoP, but editorial severely constrains her and her initial plans of following up on Rucka's run and constrain it to follow closer to Heinberg's ideas.

In other words the entire project was heavily directed from editorial. Ironically JMS probably had the most creative freedom since by then they knew they were going to reboot.

>>92412041
Yes, quite a few of them have at least some degree of fondness for her, depending on how much attention they pay to this kinda things. You would know if you knew any women.

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Yesterday I discussed the character's history at length with my mother as I showed her these stories from the Golden Age omni. She grew up in the 60's and 70's so she had seen lots of Wonder Woman in feminist literature, but like many was not really familiar with her comics.

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>>92413409
Second wave didn't start till the late 60's, but you're right that many of the ideas that defined it were present decades earlier.

As Morrison elucidated, Marston was entrenched in alternative culture. Everyone knows what that means for the 60's, but when people think of the early 40's it's hard for them to imagine.

>>92412283
What are you, five?

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>>92413416
Good post, I wasn't aware of the specifics.

I wonder now if Simone's run wasn't somewhat helped by editorial control, because her final arc was a lot more like Rucka's sword and shield warrior woman interpretation (and clearly cut off short by editorial).

>>92413258
>>92413326
>>92413362
>>92413409

wonder woman was created by a male feminist and you know how twisted they can be.

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>>92413442
How I see it: like Superman, lots and lots of people are aware of Wonder Woman and her iconography.

But most people who you ask about will not be able to tell you much about what their character is actually like.

>>92413008
Actually part of her longevity was a business decision. DC kept publishing her in the 60s, even though her book was one of the worst sellers in the line, so they could renew the copyright in their name in 1968. Before that, it was a joint copyright between them and the Marston estate. If they stopped publishing her before 1968, the copyright reverted to Marston's widow.

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>>92413314
well Miley Cyrus was the most recent big celebrity hire but I'm sure they'll announce a new one soon

meanwhile here's DC's most recent hire

>>92413618
and your point?

It would be naive to think theres nothing sexual about how wonder woman comes off to the layman.

but to assume she was made for nothing but eye candy by some horny old nerd and that there is no merits to the character, is infinitely more naive

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>>92413679
Busiek once clarified this:

In the 60's they kept publishing her because they believed she had the potential for revamps like Flash and Green Lantern had received, same with Batman despite him selling shitty. The Mod revamp proved to be successful but was ruined by none other than Gloria Steinem herself.

In the 80's they were indeed still needing to publish her in order to maintain the rights. George Perez's post-Crisis reboot was being delayed so Busiek wrote a four-issue mini in '86 called Legend of Wonder Woman because they had to publish at least four books with Wonder Woman in the title per year to maintain the rights.

But in the 90's this deal finally expired and DC now owns her full out

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I haven't ever read Legend of Wonder Woman but would like to some day. It looks like a fun tribute to Golden Age Wonder Woman.

>>92413236
The fact that all you can talk about is movies instead of cartoons, games, and actual comics shows that Marvel is currently shit.

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It just occurred to me that even though I always say I've read every post-Crisis issue, it's technically not true since LoWW came out after Crisis.

>>92413838
Texanon you are a knowledgeable son of a gun

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Kate Beaton kind of sums it up for me

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>>92413952
Thanks, I spend way too much time reading ancient articles on the internet

>>92413982
Kate Beaton is the best

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Beaton:
>Oh Wonder Woman, I love you, not even secretly. I really do find her fascinating, along with creative and fan based world around her. We just want her to be great, what's wrong with that? Maybe she wants to be great too.

I wonder if she grew up with mid-70's Wonder Woman comics, because her drawing of Diana has the same hairstyle she did at that time.

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Thanks for the discussion, folks.

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Nobody likes Wonder Woman. Some women who grew up during the feminist movement of the 60s might have sympathy for WW as a symbol but they never read a damn comic and watched few or none episodes from her 70s show. For some reason nips do better the pandering to girls and creeps at the same time. I guess it's because woman have been active on the industry since the beginning

is there any stories where she doesn't do anything remotely violent?

>>92414167
Hiketeia.

>>92413670
Yes, but they still like her. They like the way she looks, and that she's a super strong woman, just like they like the way Superman looks and that he's a super strong man. They might know Superman comes from another planet, but that's pretty much it.

>>92414140
>Some women who grew up during the feminist movement of the 60s might have sympathy for WW as a symbol but they never read a damn comic and watched few or none episodes from her 70s show.
Yet the same can be said of Superman and Batman.

Sure, Batman '66 and Superman the Movie were big cultural phenomenons, but so was Wonder Woman '77. Nobody reads comics.

>>92414167
Even in the Golden Age, Marston was required to have at least one fight per issue, as part of National's writing style guides. But he also agreed in order to keep boys interested.

The only one I can think of that she specifically never commits an act of violence as a lead character is Earth One, where Morrison went out of his way to do so.

I think with Wonder Woman it's unrealistic to expect her to be 100% pacifistic, but she should resort to violence as a last option, never be the aggressor and focus on ending any fight and pacifying the enemy as quickly as possible, something I think Simone depicted very well.

>>92414214
In Hiketeia she suplexes Batman.

>>92412041
>It´s obvious without googling that a pervy man created her.
Missed me with that tumblr shit nigga.

>>92412041
I love wonder woman.

>>92414283
I believe the amazonian saying was
>Don’t kill if you can wound, don’t wound if you can subdue, don’t subdue if you can pacify, and don’t raise your hand at all until you’ve first extended

Being Wondy fan is suffering.

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>>92414462
Isn't it fun?

>>92412306
Nice historical revision there. The polygraph was invented by John Larson. Marston invented the systolic blood pressure test which was just one componet of the polygraph.

Also, if you're going to quote things then provide a citation you child.

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>>92412041
They like the idea of Wonder Woman. Everyone likes the idea of Wondy. The idea of Wonder Woman is great but if they read her books they would see a very inconsistent waifu bitch that writers just make as "Female" Superman, even though there's already a female Superman. Also they love to write her as a Superman's cocksleeve. A shitty character that is there for fetish fuel.

>>92414579
Also Marston was in a Menage a Trois with his wife and one of his students. Not relevant but fucking hot.

>>92414636
The two of them were the main inspiration for Wondy.

>>92414624
>Also they love to write her as a Superman's cocksleeve
The DCEU already fix that, now she's Batman's cocksleeve and everybody loves Batman, right? His Batsemen can pass some of his popularity to Wondie

>>92414683

Have Batman and Wonder Woman ever fucked in any continuity? They get to be at most romantically into each other and that's that.

>>92414683

They're just good friends.

>>92414636
The student actually moved in with them to. That's crazy hot.

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>>92414462
>every writer keep pressing the fucking reset button, because they're all want of make the "definitive" wonder woman story
>most writers of other books don't pay any attention to her stories, they just hear warrior princess and go "oh, got it" and proceed to write her as some man hating turbo cunt
>normies just know her as "female Superman"

It's not fair.

>>92414683
Batman and Wonder Woman ain't a thing in the DCEU. They might be eventually, but currently they're just the together until they get the rest of the league.

>>92414730
No. Except in a dream she had about their lives together.

>>92412212
>However, today's folks prefer having characters they can relate to, over characters they admire.
This is universally a good thing. Admirable characters are not interesting. And it's not because values have shifted, it was just a medium too young to understand how to do storytelling properly. Mythology from thousands of years ago understood you need nuance.

>>92414835

Thought so.

>>92414283
I just want a fun mini series where she goes on adventures and solves peoples problems with creativity, mediation and compassion.

what's Oneil's run like? It looks interesting

>>92414624
>that writers just make as "Female" Superman
I disagree. Superman and Wonder Woman are very different, but often misconstrued as similar because they're both nice.

Superman is optimistic and hopeful for a better tomorrow, but sees the necessity of violence to make it happen. He thinks bullies deserve punishment, justice. A classic hero.

Wonder Woman is caring and sees the best in ALL people. She loves unconditionally. Bad guys are just misguided and need help as much as the defenseless do, not punishment.

However something Perez really wanted to push with the character in his version, and something that was pushed with Superman at the same time, is that though they represent these noble beliefs, they are human and thus flawed, and can be overcome by anger, frustration, grief, jealousy, and any other human emotion.

>>92413363
Nope, you are a dumb shit who needs to do some reading

>>92414795
Blame DC editorial. The lack of good editors basically resulted in the current mess. You either have shit writers who don't know anything about the character being controlled by editors more interested in sales figures than the actual story (Picoult and Finches). Good writers who are been stifled by these shit editors (Simone). Or very strong writers who do whatever they want without regard for anyone else (Rucka, Azzarello, Byrne). The only time you had a decent editorialship was probably during Perez's era when Karen Berger oversaw the book.

>>92414883
Depowered Jumpsuit WW with blind chinese sensei having adventures.

>>92414906
Don't forget that wonder woman is a magical being, while Superman is a meta human.

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>>92414906

Perez also pushed the idea that Wonder Woman thought of herself as superior to humans and that she was attracted to Superman because she thought he was like an Olympian God and thus someone she can relate with. Of course after they date Superman proved to be too humble and meek for her taste.

>>92414730
I remember them kissing after Blackest Night. But nothing further than that.

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>>92414883
Among Wonder Woman fans it was long considered a curiosity and gained a kind of notoriety for its weirdness, but recently it's being rediscovered as a real gem of her history.

If you've watched the '70's show, I'd say it's similar to that, but without the intentional camp, or like 70's Bond. Globetrotting adventures with kung-fu and absolute madman villains, and lots of disposable love interests and plot twists.

I mean, at the end of the day it's not really Wonder Woman in a lot of ways, but it's well written and ultimately had a positive change on the character's late-70's comics, which was something I wanted to demonstrate with this story >>92345719

>>92413092
What unbiased and accurate historical information

>>92415056
That's an important element to remember but also easy to misuse, like Byrne did. Byrne used her as a vessel to tell all these stories with the New Gods and the Demon and push his Godwave/Genesis horseshit.

And then Eric Luke and Walt Simonson (I love you Simonson, but not your Wonder Woman) were too focused on the mythological aspect and missed the forest for the trees, IMO.

In DC Universe Online, she was used to represent the magical side of the DCU... which had her being wrapped up in the plots of Zatanna and Raven and Trigon and all that stuff that she has nothing to do with. Like, yeah, she's experienced with Circe and gods, but wtf does she know about magic spells and demonology and the Fae and Lords of Order and all that shit? And prior to Byrne's run she only met any of the New Gods once, and that was Darkseid in something Byrne himself wrote.

>>92414795
> storytimed that comic

>>92412041
Women don't care about comic book characters

>>92415360
what comic is that?

>>92415630
Blast by Manu Larcenet

>>92413982
How do you feel that comic is where most people's idea of Wonder Woman is rooted in? A person that no one actually cares about, but uses to look feminist.

>>92414140
Usagi is 14 DELETE THIS

>>92416092
Love you, anon. I'd been searching for the name since some time now.

>>92413092
>Azarello Wondie
>bad

>>92413838
Revamp as in a new character the way Alan became Hal? Or as you seem to imply keep Diana, but as the spy she became?

Makes me wonder if they'd return her powers and costume in time anyway had the Mod revamp been able to stay.

>>92417155
I didn't say it was bad, but fans are frustrated that there were so many idiots making articles like "Wonder Woman is finally good!" who've never even read any Wonder Woman before.

>>92417394
Yeah, in the mid-50's, Julie Schwartz, Gardner Fox and a couple others were pissed that the Comics Code killed off a lot of their stuff (horror, crime, etc) and decided to bring back the superheroes.

First in '56 they revamped the Flash with a new backstory, secret identity and costume, then they did Green Lantern, and then they brought them together in Justice League which was basically a reboot of Justice Society.

As we all know the original versions of Flash and GL were eventually brought back but the intent was for the new ones to be versions for the modern day.

The mid-60's had Batman get a revamp that returned him to crime stories instead of weird scifi, but this got all fucked up when the campy TV show got popular, and so the real, longlasting revamp was the 70's one that was really gritty.

Even Superman got a revamp around that time once Mort Weisenger finally let go of the reigns.

>>92416967

Is there a reason for this?
I'd be inclined to guess something about self-identity, but old-timey relationships are not my thing.

>>92417394
And yes they kept Diana but reimagined everything about her: got rid of the Amazons and Paradise Island, got rid of her powers, got rid of her costume, got rid of Steve, and so on.

They did that instead of making a brand new character like with Hal and Barry because Wonder Woman had still been running nonstop from the 40's whereas Alan Scott and Jay Garrick got cancelled.

I think she would have gotten powers back eventually, if not because of the show then because of Silver Age revivalism in the 2000's.

>>92417768
One reason may be because women couldn't join the army, so combative women like Dr. Poison had to be disguised as a plot-point.

If I had to be more analytical about it, I'd say maybe it's because Wonder Woman represents everything good about being feminine, and so her villains might represent women rejecting femininity?

>>92414802
>Batman and Wonder Woman ain't a thing in the DCEU.
While it's not official, having chemistry with Affleck is the sole listed reason why Gadot was cast.

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>>92412041
>With female heroes like Kamala Khan
>you can tell from issue one that a woman wrote the words they are saying.
no, i can tell from issue one that Kamala Khan was written by the Muslim equivalent of whoever made Bibleman

>>92418004

So? They need to have chemistry to be comrades in arms.

>>92418067
Yeah but think about the difference. Affleck wasn't cast for his chemistry with Cavill. He was cast because he could headline a franchise. The mentality paints Wonder Woman as subordinate in important rather than the third pillar.

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>>92418004
Oh for sure if they are going to pair up her with someone it's mostly going to be Batman, but until it happens they ain't a thing.

AquaBats is superior tho.

>>92413236
>there's a reason they get nothing but no-names and has-beens while based Marvel gets all the biggest celebrities
Honestly rather get no names than assholes who are in everything, and bring the baggage of all those other films with them.

>>92418149

I think you're thinking too much about it.

Wonder Woman isn't a sure thing like Batman. So they needed an actress that could perform with Affleck and make the duo work, because there was a huge chance the character role in the movie wouldn't pay off.

>>92412041
she was created by a man who was arguably a pervert, but he said publicly more than once that he thought women were better than men and that they should be in charge (although he thought the thing keeping them from that was housework)

>>92418260
I think, at the end of the day, what it really comes down to and what people are overlooking is that:
>Wonder Woman isn't a sure thing like Batman
So they're gonna look at all the biggest actresses in Hollywood.

I imagine WB's shortlist of actresses for Wonder Woman looked something like Emma Watson (Harry Potter), Michelle Rodriguez (FatF, Avatar), Megan Fox (Transformers, and who WAS heavily rumored), Jordana Brewster (FatF) and Gal Gadot (FatF), and acting ability or appearance had nothing to do with creating this list.

From this list perhaps Gadot was chosen partially because of her chemistry with Affleck like they've said, but ultimately the choices they were given came down to money and nothing else.

They took the list of the top grossing movies, cut out anything from Disney or animation, and what they were left with were Harry Potter, Transformers and Fast and the Furious, of which FatF is currently the hottest.

>>92418018
I'd like to see something like Bibleman that isn't preachy, as weird as that sounds
like someone that's really moral and specifically very religious and that informs everything they do, but they don't lecture people about it
I guess I'm basically describing Superman aside from the religious angle?

>>92413017
That amazonian doctor's outfit and glasses are truly awesome.

>>92418633

Yeah, money was definitely a factor. They wanted an actress from some hot new franchise, but one that was relatively new and thus cheap. They wouldn't cast someone famous and expensive to star in a role they weren't sure would be a success and even in the case it ended up successful they certainly didn't want a famous and expensive actress who'd make tons of demands. Look at RDJ at MCU.

So they wanted someone relatively "hot", cheap, exotic looking and that could have bantz with Affleck, because the character debut depended on that dynamic.

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>>92418746
no, you're describing this guy

>>92418845
is that from Trigun or the other one?

>>92419045
>is that from Trigun
>or the other one?
by other one, i'm going to assume Gungrave. and no; not even close. it's Vash from Trigun

>>92417155
Did they recon his run out of spite again? Not following Rebirth Wonder Woman

>>92418003
>Sailor Mercury is best. Sailor Mars (first anime is good) and Jupiter are a tie.

>Sailor Mercury
>Best anything

Take your short haired nerdy girl meme shit and fuck right off. F
Jupiter is the best and you're a colossal buttfaced cock gobbling monster retard for bumping her down to second.

Nah I'm just kidding nigga you're alright.
But still fuck you though.
We're still cool though.
Prick.

>OP isn't aware of the amount of middle aged women who wants to watch the movie

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>>92418805
Benjamin Geva Affleck is named for a Jew Friend, Henry is a British Jew, but for Diana they decided to go Maximum Jew.

>>92419180
Basically

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>>92419321
>He honestly believes middle-aged women want to go see some pageant queen fist-fight in some male fantasy movie.

>>92419180
No. Didio or someone else high up in DC promised Rucka complete editorial freedom to do whatever he wanted and veto power over all the guys on staff to get him back to DC after he left when they screwed him on Earth One WW.

>>92419355
>>92419390

Lame Wonder Woman as the daughter of Zesus was a great take on the character

>>92419180
Rucka wrote Year One which he had been trying to do for years, but "his" version of the Amazons aligns with how they've been portrayed since 1987 and not the bizarre way Azzarello and Finch portrayed them.

So his retcon to explain this was that those Amazons were an illusion created by an as yet unrevealed villain, and that Diana has never been back to Themyscira since she left, because once you leave you cannot find your way back.

This is perfectly in-line with the overall theme of Rebirth being the restoration of pre-Flashpoint elements, and is no different from the merging of Superman's timeline, but for some reason this caused some people who have likely never read a Wonder Woman comic before the New 52 one to become very upset and claim that Rucka is doing it to "spite" Azzarello.

>>92413391
Dian will cold shoot a bitch.

>>92414791

If I recall, they also stayed together after he eventually died.

>>92414795

Get used to everyone accepting a fucked up version of her, since the movie is coming out.

Turning the Amazons into Zeus' cheerleaders defeats almost the entire purpose.

>>92420429

I'd say that it'll be funny to watch tumblr freak out over it, but that would imply that the average user there actually knows WW's origins.

They probably already thought Zeus made them.

>>92419963
Rucka is cray-cray. Conroy is definitely not keeping this shit especially after the dustup with Mark Chiarello.

>>92413697
>well Miley Cyrus was the most recent big celebrity hire

That's not a good thing

>>92419963
Hyppolyta got added to the DCLegends game today:
Sword and Shield

>>92413697
>Miley Cyrus
Holy shit you shills have ZERO game.

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>>92421067
I can handle sword & shield Polly.

Even though it kind of doesn't make any sense in Byrne's version because Golden Age Wonder Woman didn't use them.

>>92418018
Truth is Muslims hate Kamala Khan.

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>>92414283
>Sure, Batman '66 and Superman the Movie were big cultural phenomenons, but so was Wonder Woman '77.

Wonder Woman's tv show was a brief moment of kitsch, in no way comparable to the '66 tv show, which had big name celebrities trying to get an appearance, or Superman the Movie, which packed theaters tightly for over a month and made Superhero sequels all but inevitable.

Even Bixby's show had a far greater impact.
All WW's show accomplished was making Lynda Carter television famous.

>>92413092
>So only when writers specifically went out of their way to shit upon the character's long history.

But that's like 90% of the time for modern Wonder Woman.

>>92415344
I storytimed Genesis and I can barely remember what the fuck it was about

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>>92421581
Well, really what we're talking about is just post-Infinite Crisis to now, because before that she had a pretty straight-forward run, the only exception being Byrne who got rid of Vanessa and Indelicato in exchange for two completely identical characters, but shitting on other writers' runs is Byrne's MO.

Anon up here
>>92413416
did a good rundown of why post-IC was so messed up. I think that period from 2006-2008 was the most damaging to the character, because it basically gave people who hadn't read Wondie the idea that she was a mess who writers kept reinventing.

JMS is a complete retard.

Azzarello is an asshole and admits he never read any Wonder Woman before writing his run. He just doesn't care.

Finch is another idiot who just based her shit off of Azzarello.

>>92420774
Wonder Woman's orgins never stay the same because feminism is different for each person. Hence why I liked Nu52 because it didn't confuse the forest for the trees, had feminist themes will critiquing 1st wave feminism simplicity (women in power is automatically good)

>>92421829
New 52 was a reboot so that was Azzarello doing his job

>>92421949
As I've said before, what he did was the equivalent of making the Kents racist Bible-thumpers or revealing that Batman's real father was Ra's al Ghul.

No other Leaguer had their mythos or characterization changed that significantly.

>>92421949
Even if it's a reboot, it's still a Wonder Woman comic, you don't get to disregard the core concepts of her character.

>>92423287
>>92423453
>BUT MUH MYTHOS
Wonder Woman is practically a z-lister, no one gives a shit.

>>92413138
Course, he was a perv.

>>92414836

Speak for yourself.

>>92423613
(You)

>>92412041
The portrayals of Wonder Woman that I liked were where she had a kind side. She should be a combination of feminine beauty and kindness with the warrior side. Unfortunately they seem to be coming at her from an Xtreme edgy 90s badgrrrl angle for the new movie because the Snyderverse believes anything not edgy is lame. So Superman snaps necks and Batman casually murders people rather than their usual no kill policy, and Wonder Woman has a sword.

>>92413362
>That crowd chanting bullets and bracelets

Golden Age Amazons miiight be crazy. Also, NoPan Hippolyta.

>>92417394
Lynda Carter show all but guarantees that, but a few more years of Diana and I Ching doing their thing would've been great.

>>92423914
I don't think the movie is quite full on bad girl, because Patty Jenkins seems to mostly get the character (and did her research), and Johns and Heinberg at least like 15% get the character.

But still Snyder is absolutely the kind of fan that Watchmen and TDKR created back in the 80's. His Superman is from The Man of Steel, his Batman is from TDKR, and I imagine the only version of Wonder Woman he's familiar with is the one from Kingdom Come.

So what I foresee from the movie is a lot of talk of peace and understanding, but the actions not reflecting that, which is a theme of Wonder Woman in things like KC and in Johns' depictions of the character.

>>92423915
I absolutely love that throughout the entire Golden Age, they ALWAYS say "play a game of bullets and bracelets". Something about that wording makes me laugh every time.

>>92412041
I basically like her I guess but I've never felt inspired to read any of her solo comics, seeing her in team books is enough for me. Thought she was cool in All-Star Squadron, but then everybody was cool in ASS.

>>92423287
I'd have preferred if Rucka had just handwaved the horrible Amazons away and gotten on with a better story, as opposed to endless continuity cleanup of a story that most seem to rate as great to serviceable in quality, and that just needed a way to get back her pre-Flashpoint supporting cast.

As it stands, it feels like both Azz and Rucka's runs are "wastes."

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Doing another because drunk

Here's the first appearance of Dr. Poison

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>>92424405
I really do love Year One, though not everyone does.

IMO I think the Amazons were too extremely different to be simply handwaved, but idk what I would have done to change it.

Though maybe you mean to just make them back to normal and say "it's Rebirth, I ain't gotta explain shit"?

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I also love the new Cheetah, though it has kind of that Mr. Freeze syndrome of "well what do we do now?"

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>I can do better with fewer clothes
Fucking take that, JMS

>>92412283
I was there for that race. Cool wreck.

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If Dr. Poison in the movie isn't totally bonkers I'm going to be disappointed

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HG Peters has one of the most distinctive artstyles of the Golden Age IMO, takes a lot of obvious cues from the funnies compared to the most utilitarian art in other books like Batman

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tho of course Batman artists had the unenviable job of having to try to copy Bob Kane's "style"

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Speaking of I highly recommend seeing the Hulu documentary Batman & Bill, very good and touching story/
I was bummed when I found out the guy's actual book that the movie is based on is just a 40-page picture book for kids, because i would have loved to see the full extent of his research

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Oh and almost forgot the debut of THICC extraordinaire Etta Candy and the Holliday Girls

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>What's an angel? I think I'd rather be a woman
Her me roar

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Etta is so fucking based

>>92424436
>Though maybe you mean to just make them back to normal and say "it's Rebirth, I ain't gotta explain shit"?

You do exactly this, since that what New 52 did in the first place, or you give the book to a madman like Morrison or Johns that actually enjoy writing continuity porn and can make it entertaining.

>>92414924
>Nope, you are a dumb shit who needs to do some reading

Dude, no. Wondy was created by a weirdo with a bondage fetish. Dude made the polygraph

>>92414836
I don't really think admiration and relate-ability are mutually exclusive terms. Superman and Wonder Woman represent our ideals, and we admire them for it. But that doesn't mean we don't relate with them on a more human level as well. I for one get a little teary whenever I read Superman trying to be a good father, and raise his kid the right way. I admire him, and it inspires me to be a better person, or try to be at least. But I also relate with his struggle, trying to do right by himself and his kid. Sure, he always has the perfect answer %100 of the time, but that doesn't mean I can't relate to him. and his problems.

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>>92419375
My mother really likes Wonder Woman.

I really wanted to like her, but as much as I've read her comics I was never able to get into it. Not that I dislike her, but I've yet to find stories that really make me want to keep reading them as long as I can

I've found Perez run a bit boring and ended up dropping it, but thinking back about it maybe it was mostly the way Perez write his stories, and I'm thinking of giving it another try but the origin story was really sexist
I tried again starting from Rucka run with the intention of reading them all till today.
Rucka was boring too, but while Perez's Diana was interesting and it was the narrative structure that put me off, for Rucka the problema was Wonder Woman herself. She was just so uninteresting to read as a character
The ones between Rucka and Simone were a bit funny, I have to say, but there wasn't even the idea of a direction with them
Simone was getting pretty good until my computer broke up, I lost all the scans and I ended up in a period where I was too burned out by comics to keep reading them
With Rebirth I thought about starting to read the new series, but I'm not sure about Rucka after that earlier run

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>>92423287
No what Azz did with basically make the world that she came from not as ideal as it has been portrayed in past, which in Superman parlance is what writers like John Byrne did with World of Krypton and turning Krypton into a inhuman dystopia with later writers adding the idea of a fragmented caste system.

>>92413236

Marvel gets big older starts and then mostly uses them for five minutes in superfluous cameo tier roles. Why even hire Glenn Close if she doesn't do anything?

>>92413037
"I did cheat to defeat Hercules and that was good, but when HE did cheat to balance the scales that was bad!"

>>92413092
"We are better then men because we stole their ideas from the future!"

>>92413152
Wonder Woman '77

>>92412041
I find most of WW's stories boring. I don't know why. Even her good stuff, while the plot can be interesting at times overall I just can't stay engaged.

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>>92425770
You might want to advise her to sit this next one out then.

Snyder's WW is a fish-out-water primitive who needs Steve Trevor to give her direction, interrupt her when she's about to say something stupid, and generally ridicule her lack of sophistication and worldliness.

So I guess if your Mom enjoys watching Chris Pine chew scenery, she'll be fine.
But fans of Diana should probably stay well away.

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>>92428444
Because she's stern, stoic, uncompromising and almost always humorless.

She's like Stardust without the weirdness.

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>>92413152
>Wonder Woman
>Fun adventures
not in your lifetime

>>92412041
>It´s obvious without googling that a pervy man created her
A man with refined taste you cuck

>>92428463

Don't forget that a big part of the plot is Diana thinking that the solution for the war is to off Ares, so she steals this special forbidden sword thinking it'll do the job only to later find out that the sword initially belonged to Ares and was used by him to kill Zeus, and that she just brought him his main weapon.

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>>92425770
I'm sure she would rather have a GOOD superhero

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>>92428613
I don't have a problem with her being rused by a God, I have problems with her entire people being created by the God of Pussy-Grabbing, and her character being reduced to "Tough Bitch Ass-Kicker #325".
She'll be in full SRS BZNS mode the entire film except for when she's supposed to be lusting for this clown's hot dickings.

>>92412041
The Sailor Senshi's aren't exactly dressed in burkas too you know. They are maybe a slight step above Wondie (depending on her costume) with Sailor Mars showing the most leg in those high heels of her. But yeah a woman created them. But so was Bayonetta whose creator said herself that women in fiction are supposed to look spectacular.

>>92428653

>She'll be in full SRS BZNS mode the entire film except for when she's supposed to be lusting for this clown's hot dickings.

He deflowers her as well.

>>92414994
At least they still HAVE editors.

>>92428613
>>92428653
And that's still not the best part. The best part is that she lets the holocaust happen because she's so ignorant of human nature she thinks killing Ares will end all war forever and too sad over Steve dying to give a shit.

>>92428654
>The Sailor Senshi's aren't exactly dressed in burkas too you know.
You mistake his comment for a criticism of her clothing. It is not.
It's a criticism of her sheer lack of character. Wonder Woman is a stiff one-dimensional paper doll meant to fight Evil attractively.

The Scouts had all sorts of personality flaws, humor and charm.

>>92428673
I could care less if Pine's character has sex with her; she's an adult.
I'm just sad because it seems like his character marginalizes her ala Heat Legend in TDK.

I feel this movie will have audiences feeling really indifferent about Wonder Woman as presented by Gadot.

>>92428687
The Manga versions of the Senshi's were also bland as fuck and it was largely the anime that gave them actual personality, like Rei and Usagi arguing most of the time that, in the end, deepened their bond a lot.

>>92428673
>>92428719
Well Steve is gonna pay with his life, so there's that.

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WB has completely forgotten how another dry, stoic relic from Ye Olden Comics was given boyish charm, sincerity and authenticity.
Reeves essentially built a character for Superman, if you look back at the stuff from the 50's and 60's, with stiff, earnest Clark Kent.


They seem to think that if an actor can smile prettily for the camera, the rest will just work itself out in costuming.

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>>92428767
This is what pre-Chris Superman was like in the minds of America.
(Admission: I was 8 when Superman the Movie was in theaters).

>>92428737
The mangas reached such a minute audience in the USA that they are pretty much irrelevant to discussion of the Scout's in the public culture.

Same for the old Marston WW, there's just not a lot of people around who have read that stuff anymore.

>>92428653
Hope in the extend edition there Will be a sex scene between Diana & Steve

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>>92414551

>>92413982
I like her policies on necks

>>92428835
They can just watch Crystals then. Carbon copy of the bland manga.

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I have a lot of confidence that this movie with initially raise themes of War and Peace and Duty and Love.
And like everything Snyder-related, will completely abandon them mid-way, without saying anything meaningful about them, to showcase CGI fightan.

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>>92413697
hahaha hey actually hired Cyrus? what for? She's a god damn bicycle.

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>>92429831
She's Mainframe

>>92429890
at least its not a major part. I thought she might have been cast as a hero.

>>92429948
She gets one brief line in a post-credits scene.