Why do fights always feel "off" in American cartoons?

>>92374674
No weight?

>>92374685
But she's fat as fuck, if anything there's too much weight

cus you are a weeb and your visual library has been permanently stained by the japanese cartoons

>>92374674
They're animated by Koreans nowadays. Or Canadians. Yank dedication to getting the cheapest price than can has led to this wishy-washy quality everywhere.

>>92374674
look, i like SU and everything but this is kind of a low-hanging fruit of an example

fact is, the quality of fights in american cartoons varies a lot, though they may never meet whatever highly specific criteria you're thinking of

>>92374774
Not even close to an actual argument

Because they're generally really short instead of comprising an entire episode.

>>92374856
This is an argument thread?

Thought it was one asking for explanations.
Oh well.

>>92374863
Shorter fights should be animated better

>>92374863
>Short fights aren't well animated

What did he mean by this? https://youtube.com/watch?v=yeWhOBAkzPQ

>>92374807
But so is Anime...

Less experience because less action shows in general are made each year (Hell, less animation in general is made each year in comparison) and harsher censorship on what the fight can entail.

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>>92374674
because you're not watching the right cartoons

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CHECKMATE WEEBS!

>>92375185
Even if you're being ironic it's till funny as fuck that the only good fight scene in that show was animated by Trigger

>>92374742
He means having weight in her movement, you dope.

>>92375156
One show cancelled years ago

>>92375185
>CHECKMATE WEEBS!
>the scene you linked was done by a nip from Trigger

ANIME WINS AGAIN

>>92374674
Not all American cartoons, just this shitty one

There's few fights I like in cartoons or anime.
In a lot of anime you get DBZ gotta go fast shit, and in cartoons even the serious fights tend to feel slapstick and gimmicky.

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>>92375274
>their faces

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>>92375253
yeah but it shows that cartoons can be leagues better than anime
ignore the try to be hip lingo

>>92375336
It wasn't "leagues better than anime" though

>>92375156
>>92375253
>>92375336
I watched it, the writing is shit, and the animation looks good but is obviously trying way too hard.

At least it's not 10 frames of people hitting each other played over and over

>*Cough Cough* DBZ

>>92375274
What the fuck is this? It looks like How To Draw Anime books

>>92375391
Your first mistake was watching Shonenshit.

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>>92375391
>One show from nearly 20 years ago

Also

I'm not animatologist, but I would say it's because Western studios care more about steady animation quality rather than pouring their money into grand fight scenes.

>>92374674
what the fuck is this?

>>92375432
>That terrible timing

>>92375456
more flashy than grand

>>92375041
>Jojo
The most basic bitch plebeian example you could possibly fight. That cartoon is a fucking slideshow.

>>92374674
Cause you watch too much Anime.

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>>92374742

>>92374674
>Japan puts a ridiculous amount of effort into it's fight scenes
>Character's mouth is about 3 frames of repeated animation when talking

>>92375274
What is this? Did Totally Spies get another spinoff?

>>92374674
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyILB1cVS7g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X8YohNNF6U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3C_0EEulPs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2hnas7GSZo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YO-xLTF77c

>>92374674
It's been a while since I saw the episode, but isn't Smoky Quartz real bouncy or floaty or something?

>>92374807
>>92375092
See
>>92375185
>>92375215
Americans just have lower industry standards for televised cartoons, Genndy did some terrific work in the Clone Wars and Symbiotic Titan, however things like that are few and far between. I think the issue stems from lacking emphasis on technical and natural things by whoever is in charge. The Koreans don't usually animate the key phrames, and they animate Japtoons just fine. The issue is that the people making the show just don't want to or don't know how to, or refuse to, animate from a point of realism.

>>92375456
>Western studios care more about steady animation quality

I would agree with you about two decades ago

>>92375617
>>>/wsg/1683667
>>>/wsg/1683669

>>92375611
But when it comes down to it Wetsern Animation pretty much employs pretty much the same amount of movement. The only difference is the mouths match the words better.

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>>92375432
this was season 1
everyone knows the fight from season 1 was amazing

pic related is the fights now that sugar has let the show go to shit

>>92374685
>>92374674
SJWs have never once in their lives fought.

>>92375391
>At least it's not
bargainiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing

>>92375629
>4/5ths capeshit

Anon you can find better examples of American animation than that garbage

>>92375432
>that slow ass punch at the start

>>92375705
I don't any animator in the world has fought since the 50s Anon.

>>92375717
Not an argument

>>92375734
You're probably right.

>>92374674
>always
Because you're a weeb.

>>92375274
The fight itself seems to be pretty well directed though.

>>92375567
That's my point. Even Power Point Presents: Jojo has better animation.

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>jasper vs garnet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7FBm-Y24_A
>good music, impactful, garnet getting beat up and only wins because she throws jasper into the ship's powercore
>jasper vs smokey quartz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKJ2zOpaau4
>jasper can't even lay a hand on smokey
>chip music in the background
>smokey letting out quips constantly

The show has gotten so bad

Because you're looking at shows for children

>>92375771
All animation is for children

>>92375336
>cartoons can be leagues better than anime
This is just delusional, sure it's possible for cartoons to out do anime in every single way, hell if there was a time for it it would be this dead end era for anime. However, that is not the case and I just don't see modern American animators ever making something like say... Cowboy Bebop or Akira. Big names I know, but that doesn't change that the U.S. has no equivalent example of incredibly technically sound action animation, at least in 2D.

First of all, why do all of you pretend that anime has good battles? shonens are shit

Second, why this thread doesn't even have Avatar or Samurai Jack gifs yet?

>>92375768
that fight is comically bad

I mean they even have small peridot laughing in the background and jasper is just shocked at what is happening, it makes as little sense to her as it does us

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tokBFnNGAU

it's like all of y'all forgot about samurai jack

>>92375830
>Only shonens have fights

>>92375830
Fights in Samurai Jack are highly overrated.

Shounen are shit but other genres have fights and in general they're all giinfbto be better anyway.

>>92375830
there is a surprisingly small amount of Last Airbender gifs. The fights were designed really well

>>92374674
Here's why:
>Shit timing
>Shhit Weight
>Shit anticipation and antics
You know things that make a cartoon a fucking cartoon.
Watch Fooly Cooley to get a good idea
of what I'm talking about. There's a scene in which the robot Canti is about to get another robot. He jumps fast does a couple of of swing kicks and before you can even blink he quickly kicks the robot in the face, but the kicks stays for a while and then the other robot immediately flies away. It shows force and weight.

>>92375860
Give me an example of an anime with good fights

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>>92375796
Teen Titans says hi.

>>92375917
Not him but Attack on Titan has some pretty good fights from the few times I've watched it on toonami

>>92375274
Terrible art style, decent choreography and animation.

>>92375917
You're a fucking idiot.

>>92375917
https://youtube.com/watch?v=OjWrojaPf4Q

>>92375963
>I can't give examples

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>>92375701
WHY DO PEOPLE STILL WATCH THIS TRASH

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>>92376006
because it appeals to their sexual and mental and social disorders

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>>92375432
>>92375185
>>92374674
Because it's not dynamic enough. Compare this to the things Imaishi does. He keeps the framerate really low, but makes it up with everything else.
His style is the definition of "more with less".

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>>92376043
I thought the whole "the show is pushing a gay agenda" thing was a meme

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>>92375391
>>92375830
>talking shit about Dragon Ball
DBZ is a 20+ years old show and had no budget yet it has a lot of great moments and fights.

>>92376071
everyone seems to forget the insanely low budget DBZ had

>>92376006
>>92376043
You guys are One Punch Man fans, aren't you?

>>92376043
>>92376070
>obese transexual (he's his own mom) 14 year old with the mind of a 7 year old who "fuses" with adults and cross dresses

hitler should have won

>>92375894
>muh anime
>ignores that 99% of anime outside of the fight scene that they blew their load on is 3 frames of repeating animation

>>92376132
This

The only good animes aren't even good for Fights

>>92374674
I hate how in GOOD american toons, attacks to the head have to be hidden by the screen flashing white to hide the impact.

>>92375929
You cannot equate Teen Titans to CB or Akira. I'll concede something though because TT is a great show. There was at one point an interesting in building the foundation for good action animation but that era has since past. Buried under a decade of bad habbits, and cut corners.

>>92375432
Jasper fights like shit honestly.

>>92376121
Steven is not his mom, the gem on his stomach is his mom retard. The gem has no connection to Steven's DNA.

>>92375257
N....no! IT CAN'T BE!! ANIME CAN'T WIN AGAIN!!!

>>92375917
OH BABY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnUDzOK52Uo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVi_fs2oz3E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xbGkNgtOAQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BthsiGFe60
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfSdCSM9s9k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_ll_l1o7t4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05carXpUuW4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBCcsMYHf-Q

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>>92375830
This is so offensively ignorant, that I advise you just go somewhere fucking else.

>>92376222
If it didn't it wouldn't be his mom.

>someone posts an example proving one side wrong
>other side moves the goalposts
>retards from SU containment threads arguing about the show here
>this is the entire thread
fucking hell every last on of you are just the worst kinds of cancer

>>92376222
>The gem has no connection to Steven's DNA.

That makes no sense considering he can shapeshift and shit

>>92376261
A triple?

>>92376132
>>ignores that 99% of anime outside of the fight scene that they blew their load on is 3 frames of repeating animation
Yeah no. You never watched FLCL then.

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>>92375917
Naruto, sometimes.

>>92376336
The entirety of the lore doesn't make sense. Steven is flesh and blood. The gem's powers revolve around them being constructs of "hard light" or some such.

He shouldn't be able to use a single power that involves modifying is body.

>>92375917
Dragon Ball

>>92376314
But most of the posts about Steven Universe are the ones complaining about how awful it is.

>>92376350
FLCL is an OVA, dumbass

>>92376350
Its so cute when somebody misses the point this hard.

>>92376364
Honest. I'll accept that.

These threads are always so dumb. People will say western animation has better fights and then the only examples they can give are the same old 5 or 6 shows, which while do have some good fights are just cherry-picking from a very small minority of western cartoons and comparing them to Japanese anime as a whole.

>>92376380
my favorite point of lore is the massive crater in russia that sugar put there for no reason

>>92376546
She did it because Russia doesn't like gays and we can't have that

>>92374674
Is this a Musashi Gundoh reference?

>>92376546
Haha, I forgot about that. I remember there being a bunch of tumblr posts about how it was a low key jab at Russia for jailing gays or some such, with a ton of "yasss slay"s in the notes.

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>>92376261
Great stuff...
>Asuka's final fight
Dammit

>>92376598
>diamond nuked russia because they couldn't accept matriarchy

>>92376598
>>92376615
oh yeah it was the most obvious and immature thing

the ironic part is that it would help russian GREATLY because of the ports it would let them create

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>>92376066
This. But also, and even if anime cuts corners at every turn, anime actually bothers to include direction into their scenes. Compare to cartoons, where the standard is medium shots and 3/4 poses. Samurai Jack is perhaps the only modern cartoon to bother to change the formula; and even then it made copious use of animesque action lines in the background.

Sometimes a clever use of cuts can add enough action and dynamism without dumping all the budget on literal money shots.

>>92375391
>>92376071
Someone post Goku vs Majin Vegeta to shut this guy up.

>>92376615
Could be a reference to the Tunguska event

>>92375768
A fusion of two quartz warriors is going to be stronger than a fusion of a Ruby grunt and a non combatant Sapphire.
It's just math.

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>>92376094
Because anime animators, for all their faults, know how to manage budget better. Certainly better than a girl that dumps all the money on pop singers.

>>92376631
>Russia becomes a greater naval power then England
>The Russians run from the Huns by fleeing across the water
>The crabs from Alaska feed everyone without flooding into other nations due to an inland sea
Hm...

fighting is alot like dancing, and if you don't have a good grasp on the choreography of fighting then you can't make convincing fight scenes.

>>92376723
The quality of the show isn't dependent on budget. It's dependent on how much time you can work on an episode due to the quick turnaround anime has.

>>92376071
Man, I almost forgot how good most of the animation was near the end of DBZ. Its too bad I disliked buu so much because the fights were legitimately enjoyable to watch.

>>92376764
>The quality of the show isn't dependent on budget
What an idiotic thing to say.

>>92376546
>>92376598
>>92376615
>>92376628
>>92376631
I thought that that hole in Russia was cool. I thought it was a genuine more thing. Like that hole in Russia isn't even bad, it gives them pots with open ocean acces and a much more defensible geography. To mee it just seemed like a way of showing how the gems altered history. Maybe it was the site of a major Gem facility that was destroyed, or a terraforming project, or even an experiment. Anyway who knows how such geography would have changed history's. It's likely Russia still would have expanded eastward and colonized that area desu. The people's there wouldn't oppose them well. However, Russia might have a more Germanic ancestry as opposed to the Hunnic-Asian one of the Kievan-Rus

>>92374674
>Jokester character literally made out of two people who rarely take things seriously does something funny looking
The illuminati is slipping up, their lizard men antics won't fool anyone anymore. Stay woke.

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>>92376764
QUALITY is a meme for a reason. Budget represents an idea of the top quality a work can reach. Cases where audiences and reviewers ask themselves "They spent millions of dollars on THIS?!?!" are dime a dozen. In fact, if you're doing things right, viewers won't even notice you were working on a shoestring all along.

Which is not to say low budget and poor animation cannot have its uses. It depends on the timing, the type of scene/setting/story/etc. and, especially, what you want to convey in the first place.

>>92376906
>I know nothing about animation

So why does OPM look better than PSO:2 despite having a lower budget?

>>92376764
>budget
>time
literally the same thing

>>92376954
Jokester characters are precisely the ones that have to look and act with more dynamism than the rest of the cast. This: >>92374674 looks stiff as fuck.

>>92376764
>It's dependent on how much time you can work on an episode
And yet SU is shit despite the long ass hiatuses.

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>>92376261
>Fate Zero..
>Madoka Magica..
>Sword Of the Stranger..
>Psycho-Pass..
>Fate Kaleid..
>Ghost in the Shell SAC..
>From other dudes: Attack on the Titan.., One Puch Man.., Dragon Ball.., Naruto..

I don't think I can reason with you or anything

I was expecting a JoJofag or something, but not this level of shit (JoJo is shit too by the way)

>>92377025
HA, alright then, who do I pay to add 20 years to my life?

>>92376261
most of these are trash and you should fucking kill yourself

only good one is EOE

>>92374674
lack of choreography
No tension
poor angles and backgrounds
poor use of force and weight
do not add the characters or express character traits
that being said, steven universe does have brief periods of passable action scenes. Pearl vs amethyst did a great job showing how pearl is leagues better as a fighter than amy when they got close up.
It's also a problem in western live action movies and has gotten worse with the introduction of shaky cam

>>92377087
Not an argument

>>92377087
Compared to western cartoons? Yes, all those animes have much better action.

>>92377025
>I have a 10 billion dollar budget to build a skyscraper but I only have 5 hours to make it

>what is the Clone Wars

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Literally, Find One (1) Western fight scene that even comes close to an average one like pic related

>>92376336
He is using the gym as conduit to have powers you fucking retard.

You never heard of a series where people have powers based on magic gems inside their body?

>>92377025
How fucking stupid are you?

Favorite east and west fight scene?
>East
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFGkl24c1L0
>West
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNpuE-fP4W0

>ITT
Steven Universe autists try desperately to defend their shitty cartoon

>>92374674
Because cartoons are for children and children must NEVER EVER be exposed to violence. Except at school.

>>92374674

Do countries other than Japan and the US even have cartoons of their own? I agree anime is on the whole vastly superior to US animation, but are you trying to say there's good yuropoor animation out there? I doubt it desu.

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>>92376121
I didn't realize how bad cartoons were now

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>>92377329
France

>>92376380
To be honest I feel like the series missed the mark with Steven's powers. It could have been really cool to explore the idea of him having vastly different powers than normal gems due to his biology. They already had a very brief moment where they srhowed how he was resistant to gem forcefields due to not being made of light.

Instead of him just slowly discovering that he has all his mom's powers they should have showcased new powers. I like that idea that since he has an actual physical body and can't be poofed, he acts as a much more solid "conduit" for his gem power IE higher durability, resistance to normal gem weapons, ect.

>>92377322
>major producer of porn
>a safe haven for gun owners (expect when the certain party gets in power)
>doesn't let sex&violence reign free in its cartoons

What is your excuse Americans? You're literally being cucked by a state that has been forced into pacifism and strict censor laws.

>>92377329
>DoFus
>Wakfu
Other frogshit
Frogs outclass Americans as well.

>>92377362
Underrated as fuck. France knocked the ball out of the park with this show.

>>92377364
>choreography
Steven has abilities that Rose doesnt have like mind fucking people, and raping them in their dreams.

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>>92376721
except steven is a 7 year old and amethyst is literally retarded
>>92376764
>The quality of the show isn't dependent on budget.
Steven Universe fans everybody
>>92376952
the problem is that a) the hole is so big it should have significantly damaged the earth if not made the humans go extinct 2) never addressed 3) fucked over the russian people for what their government did 4) probably happened when the entire world was still anti-gay
>>92377351
well the biggest problem is that it's sugar and she opening discussed how she wanted to CHILDREN'S SHOW to discuss and address SEXUALITY

so yeah tick tock tick tock

>>92377425
>like mind fucking people, and raping them in their dreams
He does?

>>92377316
Family Guy and American Dad have legit good fights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdWwZWHGkPw

>>92377364
the problem is you never see him training except with connie and then it's not even using his powers besides his shield

every time he gets a new power from floating to mind telepathy in his dreams to the bubble or shield, the crystal gems have no fucking idea what is going on or how to help

he just falls ass backwards into powers and never practices them

>>92377362
>>92377413

What is it?

>>92377438
Steven can enter your dreams and talk to you and takeover your body.

>>92377071
That's because most of the team are literally newbie and in cases like Lauren Zuke, ripped right off of tumblr.

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Not in this one.

This is how cartoon fights should be like.

>>92377467
Wakfu/dofus, Wakfu is on netflix, dofus is on youtube

Or you can download them here: http://brotherhoodoftofu.tumblr.com/

>>92375274
is this what they call... a chink cartoon?

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>>92375185
>"checkmate weebs"
>links a scene animated by a Japanese westaboo from the studio that made Kill La Kill

>>92377275
>The gem isn't tied to his genetics
>But he can change is bilogy at any point

You realize how retarded you sound?

>>92377500
Popeye really is the Jojo of American cartoons.

>>92376617
Asuka death scream is still THE best death scream i heard in any fiction.
Shit is fucking deep.

>>92374674
American animators don't take advantage of perspective or camera angles.

>>92377496
You're right, and that's still a valid criticism towards the show itself.
You'd think they'd look for people that actually knows how to animate, but the Crewinverse is a huge circlejerk and that's never going to happen.

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>>92377528

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>>92377500
>characters actually move down the Z axis

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>>92377496
also they outsource the animation and Sugar has embraced the post modernist form of art to the extent that she doesn't even demand they stay on model

like she would be angered if they stayed on model

>>92376906
It's a meme among weeaboos. They are very confused.

>>92377583
>they go out of their way to stay off model

but.... doesn't that just imply a lack of effort and skill? It'd be like working out and saying, "Don't try to have good form." there is no effort in not staying on model, it actually saves them a shitload of time
why isn't any other part of the show higher quality if they have excess time and money from just being lazy with models?

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Capcom really learned a lot from Popeye. From the idle animations to the Dudley's Corkscrew Cross.

>>92377281
A lot smarter than you, apparently. In the vast majority of cases across all industries in the entire fucking world, budget is the main thing limiting time. Japs have some kind of ultra-retarded fucked up system going on in the anime industry where schedules are extra tight even disregarding budget, but generally it is true that budget and time are roughly equivalent.

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>>92377630
QUALITY IS SUBJECTIVE SHITLORD

IT'S JUST HER STYLE GET WITH THE TIMES

>>92377630
No. Going off-model is often a good idea, if it's a talented artist deciding to go off-model for a good reason. Every show with good animation goes off-model on a regular basis. Going out of proportion or making mistakes are the bad kinds of going off-model, and that's the kind Steven Universe is riddled with.

Guys who like anime, You do know that flashiness doesn't mean good right? A lot of anime use weird ass techniques like having a character literally vanish with these cheap ass vertical lines. It's Cheap and it's a workaround as to actually having the character show movement. They use their low (LOW) framerate to try and hide the fact that their fights defy physics and basic rules of movement. Even touted exambles like one punch man have weird shit like arms stretching, big impact indicators like little burts of energy to imply speed and force that isn't actually shown. If you think Anime has good fight scenes, you are being tricked. Spectacular Spider-man has good fight scenes. So does ATLA,
Also, FLCL Is absolute trash.
Akira is good, but it's a theatrical release. Would you seriously try to say that it's better than Lion King? I think not.

>>92377709
You are a subhuman and should not speak again. Stick to cape garbage and Disney trash and leave discussion of real animation to your betters.

>>92377381
>What is your excuse Americans? You're literally being cucked by a state that has been forced into pacifism and strict censor laws.

Can't win.
>GOP
Muh 1st amendment
Muh 2nd amendment
but in the same breath "I don't want my kids being exposed to degeneracy"

>Dems
Muh weed
Muh gays
But in the same breath "Islam is peaceful, and government should regulate speech."

Fuck me. As the country becomes less religious and Libertarians become more common however, I forsee the GOP adopting the Darwinian attitude that underpins its economic policies. I don't fucking get how the "Christian" party literally adopts social darwinism as their core ideology. Like I said though I hope the hatred of the "PC" and emotionally sensitive brought out by "SJWs" bring the next gen Nietzsche prophecized. The Ubermensch unapologetic, unrelenting, and unafraid. People who want don't want an author to compromise because of the stupid pansyass fucking piece of shit children.

>>92377630
Going off model can be used for great things. Look at anything Imaishi.

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Is there a Japanese animation that could hold a handle to Madness Combat?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beFUMWxyoHg
I know it's amateur, but this is frame by frame animation in its finest.

>>92377709
Akira is genuinely much better in a visual sense than The Lion King though.

what is the western equliviant of sakuga

>>92377087
Good argument very nice 10/10 reasoning epic

>>92377756
So, No argument then? Just insults?

>>92377709
>Cheap and it's a workaround as to actually having the character show movement.

And this is different from western cartoons how? You do realize they employ the same techniques and have characters stand around with minimal movement all the time?

https://youtube.com/watch?v=qDMfVP56R9A
https://youtube.com/watch?v=OXlzKwxhroY
https://youtube.com/watch?v=UtQBNrKfG5U

>>92377829
I Really like Akira, but it's not, Animating dozens of different species moving at the same time good.

>>92377770
Besides the black guy, its just some good quality tweening. Its easy to animate like that when you dont have to redraw everything every frame.

>>92377709
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9N-BuufhyU
5:30 and so on, hows' that?

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>>92375336
>there are other people in the world who actually watched randy cunningham
NICE

>>92377758
Weird. I feel like the problem is the opposite. Overly religious groups pressing their morals onto everyone else.

>Muh weed, Muh gays

What exactly doesn't make sense about increasing personal freedom? I thought that was the entire idea behind small government.

>>92377758
>The Ubermensch unapologetic, unrelenting, and unafraid.
He's your president already.

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>>92377770
Stick fights or bust
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ff1nVfLnI0o

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>>92375391
because samurai jack, even though it's a fun show, has awful fights with terrible animation and even worse choreography

people seem to forget that most one on one fights looked like this (with a few exceptions, like jack vs the shinobi)
also there weren't many 1 on 1 fights, most of them were jack vs a bunch of bad guys where the bad guys would just stand still while jack destroyed them all and we were supposed to believe that jack was having a hard time even though none of the enemies attacked
genndy does the same in all his cartoons (the dexter movie, the clone wars cartoon, etc)

>>92377849
Already was posted on this thread. Its called outsorcing to a japanese studio >>92375185

>>92377923
Tried opening it on here, and it told me to open it on Youtube. Youtube told me its been taken down for copyright. Different link?

>>92377948
>What exactly doesn't make sense about increasing personal freedom?
It's a monkey's paw. It always ends poorly and the people eventually flock back to big government every time. Hobbes was right.

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>>92377970
I agree. It's an unpopular opinion but it's true. Gendy is so much better at animating comedy than dramatic fights it ridiculous. Just look at Hotel Transylvania.

>>92377873
Western Cartoons do it too, but those aren't usually the examples touted for their better animation. Stuff like Attack on Titan and ATLA and SS are. Not that the highly stylized stuff can't be appealing, but its important to also be aware of its faults.

>>92378002
>Can view someone in Yuro and can't in USA
that's a first.
It's the final fight from TTGL, Simon vs Anti-Spiral, with the fistfight scene.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9N-BuufhyU
Also old Berserk, I guess. CLANG one is a mystery to me.

>>92377894
"I-it must have been harder to animate therefore it's better"

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We've been spoiled

>>92378042
So then what about low key shows like this?

https://youtube.com/watch?v=BZNaPax4uuU it's not touted as the best of anime but it's miles better than the last few years of western animation in terms of animation.

>>92378011
Examples of historical precedent? I think that moving towards legalizing all drugs would be better for everyone. It would reduce a huge burden on our prison systems, create new taxable income, not to mention do a lot to reduce institutionalized racism

>>92377431
a) the hole is so big it should have significantly damaged the earth if not made the humans go extinct
The massive water tower that we saw dredged up a significant portion of the coast line should have caused huge damage as well but it didn't because the show plays fast and loose with that shit. That hole happened millennium ago, by means we do not know. However there are plenty of ways that could have happened and and not make mankind go extinct.

2) never addressed
There is plenty of time to address it. The world has been that way for thousands of years, people aren't going to question the existence of an ocean they've had since the dawn of civilization.

3) fucked over the russian people for what their government did
It literally did not affect them at all. The Russian people are fine in this universe and that universe. In fact Russia's geopolitics probably haven't changed much in this universe. As anon pointed out they're in a better place in the SU universe.

4) probably happened when the entire world was still anti-gay
What happened, the crater. Happened millennia ago. Russians aren't anti-gay because of dated policies, it's because of a need to set themselves apart from western multi-culturalism, and neo-liberalism, it's a part of Putin's nationalist chauvinism. This need for opposing ideology is a part of Russian geopolitics nothing more and nothing new.

>>92377650
>>92377500
More. I need more Popeye fights.

>>92374674
Because we've lost our touch

>>92378083
It probably wasn't harder. Disney had a far greater budget, larger teams, ect. The result of that is that they are able to do things with their animation that other studios can't.

>>92378216
So then it SHOULD look better than Akira, but it doesn't.

>>92375765

thats like saying the mona lisa has good animation because it looks pretty

>>92375796
why do people lord Cowboy Bebop as some huge achievement in animation? It's fine. It's not specifically better or worse than other shows of the same genre at the time. I, personally, think Outlaw Star is a much better show.
Is it because everyone watched it on adult swim when they were 9?

Rate my TV universe fight scene its called Gems was Aquamarine.

Here is how it goes.

Pearl tries to stab her she dodges then throws Pearl into space. Ameythst goes sonic the hedgehog, she dodges and throws Amy into space. Garnet shoots electricity at her, she does tries to hit Garnet with the beam but it misses causing Garnet to close the distance and throw a barrage of punchs at her but Aqua just flies higher while blowing raspberries at Garnet. Garnet jumps into the sky to hit Aqua but Aqua dodge, then sticks her and slams her into the ground, this doesnt do shit to Garnet because she is really durable so Aqua throws her into space.

Fight over.

>>92378253
No its not

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i wonder if people on /co/ even realize that most western animation is outsourced to korean slave labor

>>92378111
I thought Mob Psycho was generally pretty well received? Isn't it from the same people that did OPM?

I'm not seeing what makes you use this particular clip for touting animation. It does the whole repeating frames thing, the bendy arms thing, and other stuff I mentioned. I mean, it's obviously funny, but why this example? What about it makes you think it's better animated?

>>92378309

It is though.
If the individual frames look nice but the actual movement is choppy and it looks like shit in motion then it's bad animation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIOxsYDHWGc

>>92378346
>Isn't it from the same people that did OPM?
Same creator, different studio and staff.

>It does the whole repeating frames thing, the bendy arms thing, and other stuff I mentioned. I mean, it's obviously funny, but why this example? What about it makes you think it's better animated?
It's better than the other three because it uses its limited frames better and has better character animation. Those three clips have more frames but aren't as well animated and a pretty much static in character movement and camera movement.

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>>92377087
assuming you have a anti anime bias:
what do you think of these live action fight and action scenes:
https://youtu.be/NQ62frK74u0
https://youtu.be/6o0Co4kbRZo
https://youtu.be/3bozxgVQ9m0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHt6sYe9w9M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82RTzi5Vt7w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUFxLmZ7Epc

>>92378374
It wasn't "choppy" though. It uses limited frames way better than the shit like in the OP where it has more frames but looks significantly worse. I'm not saying it has the best animation around but it's better at using what it has than shit like the Smoky Quartz fight.

>>92374774
>>92375185
>b-but anime....!

Like clockwork

>>92378244
You're really moving goalposts here.
I say that Lion King is better because it has the ability to animate dozens of different animal species in one shot
You say, Just because its harder to do so, doesn't mean its better
I say it was probably easier to do because of larger budget
You say it's easier to do so now it's worse.

???

Why is easier animation that produces a result that anime can't match somehow worse?

And Why does it make sense that harder to animate = better, only when it favors Anime?

>>92378426
>posting saving private ryan's omaha beach

This is supposed to be an example of what to not do, right?

>>92378410
Well, yeah, the characters move more, but that's just a difference between eastern and western sensibilities isn't it? Flailing is humorous in Japan.

>>92378426
No John Wick?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zmuvbwnXGE

>>92378465
Shut your fucking mouth you inbred.

>>92378509
Not really, shows like Tiny Toons and older sponegbob employed at lot more movement when characters were talking.

>>92378465
on the contrary, the saving private ryan beach scene was not suppose to be some bombastic stylish fight scene, it was suppose to show the horror of attempting to land on a beach where the enemy is firing upon you. it's more of an action scene than a fight scene

>>92375734
I definately can imagine Genndy and Craig getting into fights when they were younger.

Their irish and slav blood demands it

>>92375185
I oppened this webmexpecting cringy, but that's actually pretty good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNN-Z9BFY30

This show doesn't get enough credit

>>92378571
Even if we're going for muh horrors of war approach I've still seen that style of scenes done far better by 2nd rate European movies with shoestring budget and actors recruited from amateur theather.

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>>92377087
Okay then please show us what a good fight scene is.

Or are you just being a contrarian?

>>92377329
>I agree anime is on the whole vastly superior to US animation


fukin weebs man

>>92378131
Examples of historical precedent?
Without going too far, the US elections.

>I think that moving towards legalizing all drugs would be better for everyone.
Alcohol causes enough problems already. Hell, people aren't responsible with their diets, you want them to be responsible with ALL drugs?

>>92378628
please do post an example. I'm legitimately curious.

>>92378570
Kennedy Cartoons also employed a lot of movement...

>>92377970
Jack's animation and choreography got much better by season 3 and 4 though.

>>92378570
Ok, then shouldn't we be comparing those?

>>92377709
>You just THINK you're having fun
Hello /v/.

>>92377948
Historically in the US small govt was about letting everyone practice their own branch of Christianity and letting these communities self regulate against things socially unacceptable acts

>>92378676
I don;t know what you mean by US elections.

And yes, I think people can be trusted to decide for themselves. There are other countries who have decriminalized drugs and it has worked out spectacularly. Besides there are actual casualties in the war on drugs, and the US is funding both sides. Those giant drug cartels? suddenly useless when people can get drugs legally.

>>92378876
You can't have it both ways. Either you want the government to regulate your personal freedom or you don't.

>>92377060
>One example of comedy is how all comedy should look
All those different options are just meant to confuse you. The oppressor knows his tools will never dismantle his own house. Stay the course. STAY WOKE

>>92377709
You're a dumbass.

>>92378881
>implying dragging on the war on drugs isn't a delbierate effort of government to perpetuate the prison system as well as pacifying the poor
If they wanted to end it they'd focus on rehabilitation as well as busting high ranking cartel members instead of small time drug dealers

>>92378929
pro gay marriage is big gov. though. its forcing various institutions to marry people against their will that they dont want to. the pro freedom stance would be to let every group decide for themselves if they want to marry gays or not.

>>92374807
It's more about American companies trying to save a dollar at the expense of a huge drop in quality. In general people have lower expectations for tv animation in the west so they get away with it. Anime done by those same korean companies looks amazing so it's gotta be coming down to money in the end.

>>92378854
It isn't about fun, it's about quality. think it's absolutely admirable what anime is able to produce on such a low budget in such a short timeframe. I applaud them using eery workaround they can think of as long as the product is bearable.

But then I don't go around touting their workarounds as being the pinnacle of animation. To do so is like saying that repeating backgrounds in the Flinstones means they have the best chase scenes. I may love that gag. It may amuse me. It works for the process of cheap animation. But it's not objectively better than something that has had more time and work put into it.

>>92378929
They were against big/federal govt regulating you. Not small/state govt regulation

>>92378941
Ah yes, the deadly comeback with no backing argument.

>>92377970
>using this scene as an example

It's stiff for a reason, they're on a bridge and they're trying to pass each other without cutting the rope, idiot.

>>92378998
Dude, the US government can't accomplish things in the open. What makes you think it can do so in private?

>>92378941
Nice argument autist

>>92377970
It really depends on the fights. I agree that some episodes lack good animation in the fight department. For example, as you've pointed out, Jack and the Scotsman is terribly lackluster in the fighting animation. Most of the fights are like the webm or just enemies standing around while they're cut down. However, you could argue that this is a comedic episode; the focus is obviously in the interactions between Jack and the Scotsman, as well as that sheriff pig. However, you also have episodes completely dedicated to action sequences such as Samurai vs Ninja or Jack and the Zombies in which the fighting is outstanding.

>>92379102
Replied to the wrong post? I mentioned nothing about doing things openly vs privately

>>92378592
Yeah those japs sure do know how to animate huh?

>>92379003
Ehhh, it's sorta iffy. You're right that it's wrong to force people to marry people against their religious beliefs.
But it's also wrong to discriminate and tell people who they can love. I'd be fine with taking all regulations off of it and allowing anyone to marry whoever they want, but also allow people to say no.
Supporting one side in its entirety is still supporting regulation.,

>>92377709
>Forgets that u.s. cartoons do the same shit

>>92379141
You implied a conspiracy.
I agree the prison system is a real mess that should be focused on rehabilitation. Instead, it makes criminals more criminal.

Because SU is a piece of shit and it's going to set back cartoons worse than HB.

>>92378336
A decent amount do. A decent amount also realize that most of today's stuff is also outsourced to Canada. As mentioned in the thread, Americans tend to have lower expectations, so obviously you either got to go with the guys up north, or "Worst Korea" these days.

Thing is, most of the good fights in shows are either animated by Japan, or are by Korean studios either influenced or owned by the Japanese. SU is a prime example of this- Hori's one fight scene is much better than every other fight scene in the show. Though the problems with Steven Universe extends to more than just the action.

>>92377970
I always found SJ to be a mixed bag when it came to the animation as a whole, I think S5 is doing somewhat decently in the fight scene department (barring the leach fight the previous week). But then there's stuff like in season one where it's pretty mistimed or just lacking in intensity.

This scene though, I have my doubts Genndy and co. were intending this to be serious. That and they're clearly on a bridge, so movements are going to be limited regardless.

>>92378726
Yes, and they're among the most hated in the TTA fandom.

And speaking as an animation buff, I get where they're coming from, but not entirely the why. I admire their attempts at fluidity, and they had some talented animators there... Except for Glen himself, his work always looked sloppy, over-timed and bouncy to the point where the characters were all but blobs. There's a reason they got shitcanned after season 1.

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>>92377758
I just want America to go back to Popeye times. We had violence, alcohol, fun, good animation and no degeneracy, SJWs or weed.

>>92374674
Because anime fighting sequences are superior in every way shape and form.
There are exceptions but if you want to see fighting sequences, you'll get more bang for your bucks in anime.

>>92375717
>There are capes
>Therefore, the animation is bad

Can you provide any critique that might contribute to the discussion, or maybe even a complete thought?

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>>92378175
Go watch the 30's and 40's cartoons on youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JNt3EpCJZU

>>92378930
...Is this a Jojo reference?

>>92379270
As a third-worlder, I'd like the US prison system was implemented here. It looks better than the overcrowded pits of anarchy we got here. And "rehabilitation" is a pipe dream anyway.

>>92375701
>Malachite literally just sits there for like a full second while Alexandrite is preparing the hammer

God that's awful.

>>92375788
All American Animation is for children
But let's not bring superjail into this

>>92377362
I have a hard time getting into 2.5D ( I think that is what this is, 3d objects painted and drawn like 2d).
The movement is too smooth and bothers me a lot. I know it's an opinion, but I wish there was a way that they could limit the number of frames that are shown closer to what 2d animation has.

>>92377564
This nigga gets it.

>>92378780
I would but mostly everything ITT is modern stuff

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The main reason is because cartoons are thought of as kiddie crap in America, whereas in Japan cartoons have a shitload of adult entertainment.

Because cartoons are considered kiddie garbage, they can't put in good violence or fight scenes, as that would scar and hurt their widdle feelings, and get a hoard of pissed off Christians and SJWs yelling "WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN?!" like with rock music and video games back in the early 1990s, or comics back in the 1950s.

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>>92377650
If the Luffy vs. Blackbeard fight doesn't at least pay homage to this, I will be angry.

>>92375432
>this
>good
I think I've been spoiled by anime, samurai jack, and teen titans cause the action I'm seeing isn't very good.

>>92377630
Staying on model or consistent in any way requires discipline. Discipline is anathema to Becky Sucrose and the ideology shared by her staff.

>>92379281
This. Steven Universe is a good case study in how to fuck up a cartoon in every conceivable way

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>>92377709
wow this is an impressive level of stupid
what kind of turbo autism do you need to have to even compare akira and the Lion King?
>>92379935
everything other than Alexandrite just stales, even the water and the sky. It's incredibly cheap even without the lack of momentum
>>92380277
Honestly I can't think of a recent cartoon that does fighting well. I want to use legend of korra but they threw out the high majority of martial arts when it came to the fights. Well besides Tenzin, one of the few people they animate their bending with respect to the source material
>>92380340
it's not, it just by far the best fight in the show. see here to what they have fallen to >>92375768
everything in the show has become terrible

>>92379714
Not even him but the animation in those capeshit cartoons aren't even that good. Why don't you use something like Motorcity?

>>92375734
John K probably has

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>>92380340
I really can't see the appeal with weird noodle limbs that look like a 5 year old drew them, kind of like Adventure Time. This lazy-ass POS art style needs to die.

>>92375092
Anime animators have been milking their tiny budgets better than American animators for decades. They've got tricks to mask how little they're working with.

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>>92380370
>they threw out the high majority of martial arts when it came to the fights
Yep, just have to look at the intros to see that. I mean they both look good but Korra's has lost almost all connection to the original martial arts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1EnW4kn1kg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBNpGCIavwA

>>92378336
KINO
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>>92380340
>spoiled

No, that was legit BAD animation.

>>92380467
seeing all the avatars and then korra reminds me how much I was looking forward to Korra getting advice from Aang and communicating with her past lives
but nope, she just "lacks a spiritual connection" and it's never addressed again. Do they even mention that? Like was it retconned or something that the avatar cannot seek guidance from their past lives? I know they lost the connection but that was at the second season finale

>Lack of understanding of the twelve principles
>Shitty key frames made by people who don't know how to properly convey weight
>Outsourcing to SoKo

That being said I do prefer a lot of western action scenes to a lot of modern anime action scenes. At least they fucking show the action. I swear, a lot of modern anime just cuts away from the action itself half the time in order to show characters reacting to it. A lot of them are also really boring even if they're technically better animated. At least the western action scenes have character.

>>92375041
I'm a huge Jojo fan. I've read every part except Jojolion, and I'm only holding off on that because I want to binge it when it's finished. I own every single volume that's been translated thus far in hardcover. It's the only manga I own, as a matter of fact. I've enjoyed every season of the anime.

If you think that fight scene is well-animated, there are two possibilities. One, you've never seen actual good animation in your life. Two?
Your IQ is below room temperature.

>>92375385
That has nothing to do with the fight animation. The fights in Motorcity were good and had a significant amount of weight behind them.

>>92375734
>implying
how the hell do you think those sweatshop workers get their food

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>>92376071
Why do you even need fights in cartoons to begin with? Look at that wemb, a solid minute of nothing but punches and unnecessary display of destruction and for what exactly?

>>92380566
it looks cool as fuck.

>>92380533
>If you think that fight scene is well-animated, there are two possibilities

That's not what I said. I said it was good for the limited animation it has. Read the thread before opening your mouth.

>>92380566
well most people enjoy watching fights
you know, the ones without ad absurdum autistic

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>>92380566
Because males crave war, bloodshed, and pain. It's in our fucking nature. Kids are cruel, and I'm VERY in touch with my "inner child"!

>>92380566
Because fights are good visual shorthand for a conflict and almost solely rely on the animation itself

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>>92380566
I watched it assuming it was going to be one of those ATATATATA scenes where they both throw punches at each other, but it wasn't, it was an actual fight.

Why are you such a fag?

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>>92380566
do... do you not understand why people like to watch fighting? Is that a legitimate question?

>>92380566
You must be one of those faggota who thinks no fun allowed in cartoons, and that it all has to be story. You are either autistic or a su fan. Hard to tell to be quite honest

>>92374674

Because cartoons only exist for spread outdated parodies and SJW ideologies, which means it was animated by a studio with zero budget, and a staff of freelancer animators who probably work in toomboom.

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>>92380626
There are more displays of conflict, violence is not the only one, why not a debate instead of a mindless fight?

>>92376364
It's a shit fucking show that doesn't deserve any of the fame but the fight scenes can be pretty fucking radical.

>>92380674
Because that's dumb as fuck. If I wanted to see that shit I'd turn on goddamn C-SPAN.

>>92380674
are you retarded or baiting?

ITT: People who don't know what animation actual entails and are pissing and moaning at stuff based on either writing or art style.

>>92377087
>Vomiting at Sword of the Stranger
You are next-level retarded and don't know anything about animation.

If you actually think that scenes in Avatar (most are good, not great) or even Samurai Jack (great action scenes but sometimes prone to bad editing) are better-animated than that final fight, Jesus fucking Christ.

Go fuck yourself. Holy shit. Yes, I'm mad.

>>92376364
>>92376452
Naruto actually does have well-animated fight scenes aside from the obvious stinkers. The animation falters when it comes to... well, everything else, actually.

But then again, it's not like the source material exactly lends itself to amazing animation outside of the fight scenes.

>>92377093
That's not even the best-animated one he linked you fucking tripfag piece of shit

>>92380717
>>92380726
You gain nothing from fighting, you just waste time that could have been used to further the narrative or expand the world and it's characters.

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>>92376104
What's bad about that? It's a good show.

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>>92380674
Go watch your soap operas, faggot.

>>92376270
> Leddit webcomic page
fuck off

>>92380674
Which anime has more of than cartoons too, so there.

>>92378085
It a shame Toei puts all their budget in Precure these days and lets their other franchises to starve.

Here's hoping that the Universal Survival Arc in Dragon Ball Super will have some good fights scenes.

>>92380869
They save they budget for the important scenes. Expect Jiren vs Goku to be amazing and the rest to be OK at best.

Shit was the same with Goku vs Black and Vegetto vs Zamasu.

>>92380836
FMA:B has some great fucking animation when it wants to.

>>92380566
They don't need fight scenes, but if you're developing a show about a situation where only violence can solve problems, you need fight scenes. Furthermore, you need to express why the two characters are in the conflict as well as why their character traits clash within the fight scene. It's a way of conveying information to the audience while also showing them cool shit. Or heart-wrenching, depressing shit, depending.

Also, lot of shows that don't have fight scenes still have scenes that resemble fight scenes. Look at any sports anime. Hell, look at Looney Tunes.

That fight scene is a pretty bad example from a show that was in zombie mode at that point, though. DBZ had good fights that conveyed the characters well from the beginning up through the end of the Cell Saga. After that, it kinda went to shit and everything just became all about big beams of energy and super hard punches with nothing interesting behind them.

>>92380596
???

You didn't say that at all. You said it was "well animated". Which... it's not, really. It's barely serviceable. Lots of still frames, repeated frames, little cheats, and not a whole lot of weight or movement being conveyed.

>>92380806
If I wanted that I wouldn't watch cartoons.

>>92376071
>had no budget
Ohh, that's why they spent so much time just bragging about how strong they are. Even as a kid I found it a bit ridiculous at times.

>>92380918
Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood was a great anime in general.

>>92380566
Hi grandma! How's the garden going?

>>92380950
>a situation where only violence can solve problems
No such scenario exist in real life.

>>92380203
That\s all flash, actually.

>>92380983
Probably one of the best shounens. I still wish they kept it on the darker side towards the end, though.

>>92380970
A lot of anime has that issue. NGE had to have parts of it's last two episodes rendered in highligher and going at .4 frames per second

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>>92377087
>GITS
>Sword of the Stranger
>Cowboy Bebop
>Bad

>>92380970
No, they did it so that could pad it out for the sake of the manga. That's why filler exists and that's also why Kai exists as the definitive version of DBZ.

>>92380566
I think Steven Universe is right up your alley

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>>92381014
Yes, because we can just "talk" to Jihadis, the Nazis, or the Communists...

Face it, faggot, your world of "tolerance" and "non violence" is impossible and goes against human nature. People love violence. It makes men horny, and women wet. It solves problems that can't be solved by words.

Have any of you been watching Gumball lately? The latest season has these ridiculous moments of high quality animation out of nowhere.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n77Q9Z_UQgc
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gsG61l0d41Y

>>92380806
Fight scenes are a great way to develop characters.

>>92380836
>>92380918
When the budget allows it, basically. For a 60+ episode show, it's remarkably consistent.
When it goes all out, the action scenes go above and beyond the already great, well-constructed source material. The only other long-runner I can think of with animation that consistently good is Hunter x Hunter.

>>92378270
Cowboy Bebop is significantly better-animated than Outlaw Star. That's why it's always cited as one of the greats: its incredible animation.

I can definitely get why people would like Outlaw Star more from a writing or design perspective, though. That show rules.

>>92380809
It's popular so of course people hate it.

>>92380806
Autism

>>92375636
>isn't Smoky Quartz real bouncy or floaty or something?

No. She's just extremely fat.

>>92381014
Yeah, okay, you're baiting.

Let the people who don't have brain damage discuss animation.

>>92381174
Gumball's always been very well-animated. Especially where the direction is concerned.

>>92380950
>DBZ had good fights that conveyed the characters well from the beginning up through the end of the Cell Saga
You americans have no taste. Cell saga was a piece of shit after Cell became perfect Cell. Buu saga was like old Dragon Ball. Just dumb fun.

>>92381305
What's this from?

I fucking love it when bullets or shells get sliced in half and it shows the two halves hitting. It's so cool. It's almost cheating.

>>92381486
What? I thought the Perfect Cell stuff was great. Not the peak of the series, but he was a highly entertaining villain and the moment where Goku and Gohan defeat him together is perfection.

Buu Saga was dumb, and occasionally funny, but it most definitely wasn't fun. The fights were dull and overly flashy and Kid Buu was a bland "WACKY" villain.

I hope you mean it was like old Dragon Ball Z and not like Dragon Ball, by the way. The Buu Saga has about as much similarities to Dragon Ball's writing, animation, and tone as a slice of pizza has to a durian.

>>92377709
Ignoring the sheer amounts of paste-eating in the first part, Spectacular Spider-man and ATLA are both very flashy. SSM also does a pretty poor job of conveying weight at times; the hits feel very light. It makes up for it by doing a good job of conveying who its characters are through the fight scenes, however. ATLA is good, but even its best fight scenes don't hold a candle to stuff like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrdbZT5luns

FLCL's animation is fantastic on a technical level.

And yeah, Akira has segments that are better-animated than the Lion King.

>>92378346
>The bendy arms thing
That's GOOD animation, you fucktard. It might not be to your taste, but it's the opposite of bad.

Study the 12 principles of animation. Good animation does not mean "ON MODEL 100% PERCENT OF THE TIME HEUHGRSFHJH"