Captain Marvel

>>92357084
>When will Marvel get the hint?
They won't. They'll just keep pushing it and blame the people that read their comics, and call them misogynists or something. Marvel won't blame itself and it's shitty writing, they'll blame their fans, like usual.

>>92357319
Actually, right now they are blaming the people who don't read their comics saying that readers don't care about forced strong female protagonists or forced diversity characters, and they're right, the people that were pushing for that crap don't actually read comics

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She just needs to fuck Spider-Woman already.

If Wonder Woman flops it will be really interesting on what plans change for the Captain Marvel movie and comic.

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>>92358753
>yfw they'll redo the entire movie with Kamala instead

You don't seem to get it.

When the movie comes out and is a hit, people are gonna go out to the store to buy TPBs like they do for every MCU film.

There's basically no Ms. Marvel content to make into trades, and there's definitely nothing where she's called Captain Marvel and wearing the movie costume.

That's why they keep these series running, because now they'll have like a dozen trades for people to buy when the movie comes out.

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>>92357084
Get rid of that butch lesbian hair and Zarya body and muslim side kick

stop making her into a leader wonder woman type

think of starfire meets supergirl with hal jordans background

nobody likes dyke power fantasies

>>92359004
Do they ever go that far back for trades? Thought it was they go for the one that came out closest to the release date or has a Vol 1 on it and that's the only one they get.

>>92357319
Prove it or you are a faggot.

>>92359004
>When the movie comes out and is a hit, people are gonna go out to the store to buy TPBs like they do for every MCU film.
What's funny about this us that DC was smart enough to FINALLY reprint Ostrander'a Suicide Squad when the movie was announced. So there is some merit to what it is you're trying to say.

They're just treading water till the movie.

>>92358247
>they don't read comics
No one reads comics.

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>>92358753
They will need to bring in another Alist hero to her movie to save her movie like what they are doing with thor, Wanda or even Docstrange will be enough

no more tony pls

but it will probably be black panther since they wan to force diversity and white woman fucking a black guy fetish anti white degeneracy

>>92359139
>think of starfire meets supergirl with hal jordans background
throw in Hal's personality and that's a book I'd read. she seems to much like the stop mansplaining type of girl for me to be interested in. I read a little bit of Civil War 2 and it didn't have any of the punch of the first one and I really didn't like her position on the whole thing where it was basically nope to every form of logic Stark threw at her.

>>92357084
Hairs too short. Manish. Seem to be making it bit less that short.

Onoy lady thor and lady wolverine should be pushed more.

We have to see what effect the movie and new mvc game will have on her. Plus legacy.

>>92359358
Dank meme

But seriously, people do read comics, and movies have brought in a small number of new readers, but the number of actual readers opposed to people who just complain about things they read I'm a wiki or saw a meme of really out weighs us.

>>92359409
>every form of logic Stark threw at her.
The biggest problem with CWII was that despite Stark's side being objectively right, he never once articulates why predictive justice is bad and instead just flails around like a drunken idiot making everything worse at every opportunity for no other reason than "muh Rhodey." It isn't until AFTER he's in the coma that it's articulated, and that happens from Beast explaining Tony's side to Carol despite Beast's interpretation of Tony's actions not even remotely reflecting any of the reasons Tony gave for what he was doing.

>>92359999
Carol was 100% right and did nothing wrong.

>>92359004
Reed's run lasted long enough for something like 9 trades and she's got a ton of Avengers and X-Men stuff they can cross-market. I think she's got seven or eight trades under the Captain Marvel moniker not including stuff like CW2.

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>>92359004
>There's basically no Ms. Marvel content to make into trades
There's Carol's best run.

>>92359139
>think of starfire meets supergirl with hal jordans background
More like Power Girl meets John Stewart. She's got nothing in common with Kara or Kori.

And Kamala can stay.

>>92357084
Only if after the movie and they've gradually change Carol to match the movie and she still doesn't sell will they drop it. She'll die or give up officially leaving everything she has to Kamala.

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>>92360323
>There's Carol's best run.
That's Captain Marvel.

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>>92358379
Captain Marvel & Spider-Woman married team-up book a la RYV when?

>>92360412
Oh for fucks sake, this shit isn't even funny as an ironic shitpost.

>>92360323
Kamala needs to go shes aids

>>92358379

Doesn't Drew hate Danvers now though because of all the shit that went down in Civil War II?

>>92359328
DC did something similar to Marvel where Harley Squad was introduced with the New 52 to make a more marketable version of the property for movies. Then they made sure they kept the book going to have a clear TPB entrypoint.

>>92360962
They're cool again.

>>92360962
They're on the mend. Jess was in an issue of the current run.

>>92360836
She sells better than Carol. Keeping her around can only do good things for Carol's popularity.

>>92360412
Butters/Fazeka might have turned into something special if they'd been allowed to continue it. As it is, though, it's still better than any of her other Captain solos.

>>92361187
>have a clear TPB entrypoint.

Which Carol as Captain Marvel doesn't have due to the relaunches, I think she currently has three Vol. 1 out right now.

>>92361543
Carol's a great character that is underrated, though.

>>92361677
Explain your reasoning.

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>>92361543
Not

>>92362140
She's got the setup for a great character. Violent, authoritarian, slightly sadistic, trapped by her own character flaws and the high profile she's always wanted.

>>92363371
It's been 40 fucking years and the most memorable story she's ever had is the one where she's impregnated with her own rapist. There's a limit to how long you wait for "potential" to end. Throw her in the fucking bin and try something else.

>>92363555
What I posted mostly comes from post-House of M and some of it is post-Reed. Pre-Disassembled Carol is a whole 'nother beast.

>>92363555
Nah, she's had plenty of great stories.

>>92361543
Big Dog Carol working the smarks

>>92363733
No, she hasn't

>>92359999
I was a CJ in Police Admin. in college and we learned all about predictive justice. The jist is about stopping a crime before it happens, which is a novel idea. However, I believe there should be some sort of secondary evidence to support the idea. All of us have thought, at one point or another, about doing something bad to another person; yet most of stop when we realize when nothing good will come of it. The problem with Carol is that she only relied on one resource for her info, and not even a very reliable resource. People have relied of soothsayers for years, most of it being bunk. Which is why if you are going to rely on futureteller, you might as well go to one, or more than one, that has more experience.

Both Carol and Roman are both great characters, I don't get why people hate them.

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>>92359139
>getting rid of Kamala

There's no need for that.

>>92365830
Go to bed Vince.

>>92361543
Friendly reminder people adored Roman at some point and he was part of the hottest team in the company

Carol is a perennial D-lister thrust into the spotlight because Marvel has too few options for a Wonder Woman knockoff

>>92363106
What I wouldn't give to hear Carol say "Slap Nuts!"

>>92365830
It's more the fact that they're both being trust into positions way before they're ready for them, and higher-ups in charge are stubbornly plowing ahead despite outcry from fans

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Carol thread?

>>92357319
Marvel doesn't blame its readers as much as they blame DC.

>>92359139
>Muslim sidekick

Fucking casual.

>>92359004
>When the movie comes out and is a hit, people are gonna go out to the store to buy TPBs like they do for every MCU film.
Yeah those sales boosts for Black Panther and Dr Strange sure saved those books!

>>92367027
They exist, so yeah it did.

>>92363733
Name 1 (one) iconic Carol story.

>>92367047
>They exist
You exist. Does that mean you're worth keeping around? Really ask yourself that.

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>>92367121
Welcome to the Kree Empire.

YAAAS QUEEN

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>>92367403
SLAY

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>>92367487

>>92359999
I thought Stark did a decent job in that illuminati meeting. Even got Hank McCoy and others to vouch for him. Carol literally ignored them all and then flew off in a temper tantrum.

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>>92367778

>>92358916
That would actually be fantastic.

>>92360323
I am not ashamed to admit that I fapped to the art in this one.

Roman is actually a good wrestler

>>92363555
I thought that the most memorable story that she ever had was the one were Rogue drained her powers and put her in a coma.

>Captain Marvel
Why not Captain MCU. How many people does she pretend to win with that name. People need something that doesn't reek of corporativism

>>92358379
Neither of them are gay, and Jess is with Hopeless self insert now.

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>>92368046
That's because you're both turbocasuals.

>>92368077
They're the ur-example of Claremont bisexuals, anon.

Carol is like Cancer, she is unwanted, costing its host tons of money and spreading.

>>92368105
aka Marvel will 99% straight up ignore it but maybe throw a wink and nod there to keep the autists satisified. See like every X-bitch out there who was written by Claremont.

>>92358247
>saying that readers don't care about forced strong female protagonists or forced diversity characters, and they're right,
No, they're saying how bold exciting an revolutionary their shit writing is, and how old readers "just don't want strong women out there in books". They're saying we're "turning our noses up at the stuff" and I'm not paraphrasing.

The head of sales is basically pulling a George Lucas with Redwings, and acting like there hasn't eben a million other things in the medium better executed than this drivel with the minorities they wanna push.

>>92366444
But people liked Carol too but Marvel took away everything that make her relatable and turned her into..this.

I think the Roman Reigns comparison applies here too.

>>92367959
It was very jizztastic

>>92359999
>It isn't until AFTER he's in the coma that it's articulated, and that happens from Beast explaining Tony's side to Carol despite Beast's interpretation of Tony's actions not even remotely reflecting any of the reasons Tony gave for what he was doing.

Was it? I think I missed that.

>>92368077
Eh she'll be flying solo soon enough and then it gets revealed her child is evil.

>>92368105
It doesn't matter. If they weren't making out with each other on. Page when he was writing them, then they won't be making out anytime soon.

>>92368085
Oh Jack, I wish that marvel were pushing you instead of Carol.

Yet again, I'll post my Carol Danvers fic: http://archiveofourown.org/works/7926028

>>92358379
HA! Bitch-queen got CUKED! BY A WHITE MALE! In fact, she had to watch as Spiderwoman got fucked long and hard while she was only allowed to sit there and watch as her crush gets impregnated.

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>>92370775
Nice.

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>>92370969
This.

>>92359004
>Marvel
>Selling trades
>Marvel
What's with the influx of movie-defending Mouseketeers who know nothing about comica recently?

>>92357084
Marvel is stupid.

>>92367027
You do know BP vol 1 is the highest selling post secret wars trade?

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>>92357084

I missed the old Marvel
the sales have dropped down, so I'm not the only one

>>92361543
Carol is also a holocaust denier

>>92357084
If the movie comes out and it flops, they'll drop her like a rock. If not, they will continue trying to push her, with Bendis being a prime candidate for taking over her book since he would want to leech off any successful movie franchise. If he heads the title and it still flounders, we may finally see it die but I doubt it.

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>>92372391
Needs space for Tigra up there

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>>92372391
Fan made redesign.

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Obligatory


...it's been been over 10 years since we lost Genis, anons.

>>92357084

Its prepping the market for a movie.

They tell normies that she is the most powerful hero, that she is great, that this arc is acclaimed, that she is decades old....

Then they put out a movie with an Oscar winner to make some real money.

Because they know they can make money using any property, not just the ones that are very successful in comics.

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>>92357084
Will Carol ever be great again?

>>92357084
Nah, because /u/ faggots follow it just to post lesbian porn and demand it be made canon.

It's bad enough they already turned her into a bulldyke with no tits.

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>>92373614
Capcom got this. Also depends on the artist.

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>>92373821

>>92360962

That lasted like 3 issues and then they were friends again.

Because fuck consequences.

>>92373614
Carol was never great.

>>92373736
This. Cunt ought to be under a man to get boned.

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>>92365964
There is absolutely a need. The character is PURE political commentary designed to normalize islam. An ideology that is counter to EVERYTHING superheros stand for.

>>92357084
Why did they have to destroy ms.marvel to create this She-man? As much as I hate it, They could have just made a new character instead of completely ruining a established one.

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>>92373614
As soon as she marries Spider-Woman.

>>92375293
>complaining about "normalization" of ideas you don't like


That's dangerous SJW thinking right there. You gonna complain she normalizes unhealthy fanfic relationships next?

>>92372194
To be fair, that has everything to do with Ta-Nehisi Coates and nothing to do with Marvel, the MCU, or Black Panther as a character.

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spider-woman?

>>92376395
They also gave coate another spin off book. Talking to Black Panther writer Ta-Nehesi Coates, he has told The Verge website that his Black Panther spinoff series Black Panther & The Crew has been cancelled after #6 – the decision being made after two issues had been published. Coates tells The Verge that “the mystery will be solved,” even though the series couldn’t find an audience.

The other Black Panther spinoff series, Black Panther: World Of Wakanda was also cancelled with #6 last month.

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>>92376485

>>92373137
>Needs
where is this from?

>>92374317
^This.

>>92376580
>more spinoffs

Why doesn't anyone seem to realize that this only dilutes the brand? You can't build new readership like this.

>>92359139

Man, I hate this new Marvel

>>92377782
True. That only works for Spider-man x-men and avengers.

>>92359399

why they change this perfect suit?

>>92372909

A little better

>>92377888
Muh Daughter role Model.

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>>92377888
New one is better.

>>92373614
>Will Carol ever be great again?

If Marvel dismisses the current editors, yes

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>>92377978

>>92377916

Muh Marvel Film
Brie Larson fridge body

>>92378048
Changing Cap Marvel's outfit was absolutely not due to fan reaction. It was something I'd wanted to do for years. (1) @kellysue suggested @McKelvie and he delivered the basic look before I had hung up the phone. I loved it straightaway.(2) The idea that the costume change was implemented because of a "vocal minority" is incorrect. (3) There were a lot of reasons to change the costume. One big one was that I wanted my daughter to be able to dress up as Captain Marvel. (4) I get that not every design is popular, but this one seems to have staying power. it's a very old school, classic super hero design. (6) It's a risk changing a longtime character design & I'm proud to work for a company that embraces risks. (Except of my "WackerMan" pitch) (9)

What Carol needs is for her rape baby to come back for revenge. People love drama and oedipal overtones. A clash forcing her to face and overcome her lowest point on panel would be a powerful moment.

>>92378315
CW3 Carol vs marcus by Brian Michael Bendis.

>>92378315
He's not her son, he just used her body as a means to escape his prison in limbo. Why is it so hard for people to get this?

>>92378188
>my daughter

isn't this the same bullshit reason we have miles and riri?

>>92378461
I guess.

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Never mind.

>>92357084
They won't stop. Her movie will be satisfactory at worst because it will be played extremely safe. Carol will be less like her comic book character than we've ever seen before. Expect her to make frequent quips, have a non-butch haircut, be charming, and show off power greater than even Thor has managed in the MCU. She will have all the puzzle pieces necessary for her to catch on with mainstream movie fans, and at that point they can reboot her comic into the same character, no matter how bland it is, and nab the female demographic.

Mark my words, this will happen.

When her movie comes out and is a feminist citizen kane who will YOU blame?

>>92378483
That is bullshit

>>92377978
Fuck that version of it Anka practically ruined McKelvie's design.

>>92378575
A: We toyed with it. It was many conversations at Marvel. "Iron Woman" sounded old-fashioned. It was hard to say why. Fans were throwing out plays on "female" because Fe is the symbol for iron. But no, terrible. We went back and forth on this and (Marvel chief creative officer) Joe Quesada said to pitch the story and the first issue something violent happens to her in Chicago and the name came right from that. The other thing, the sex qualifier for a superhero name, like "She-Hulk," is starting to feel weird. My daughter — and this was the final straw on "Iron Woman" — asked why the Oscars have separate categories for best actor and actress. And she's 14. And she's right. That's as much old-fashioned (expletive) as there ever was. Someone also said to me, "Name the male superhero name that plays off of a female hero name." You can't.

>>92378548
Guess what though. She still won't have toys kids will want to buy. She still won't be in video games as a protagonist, and her book will still sell poorly after the first issue. Nothing will change and Carol will still be shit.

>>92378634
>asked why the Oscars have separate categories for best actor and actress. And she's 14. And she's right.

Because they promote the best of both sexes and if there was 1 category at some point someone from either side would complain why more men/women are winning oscars.

>>92378634

Oh god i hope this leads to female sports integrating with men, so we never see female sports again.

>>92378665
I agree she will still be shit, but she'll definitely sell toys, if they play it correctly. Disney is smart. They know how to make content, they know how to secure demographics, and Carol is the only hard-hitting female superhero they still have the movie rights to. They will make her work if they need to, or at least until they can get the movie rights to their GOOD female heroes (mostly the X-Men) back.

>>92378791
>but she'll definitely sell toys
To whom? Boys don't want girl action figures, and girls don't want action figures period. They can turn Carol into a princess or Barbie doll I suppose, but that basically spits in the face of what Carol's feminist message is trying to achieve.

>>92378889
ike pls go.

>>92378634
>"Name the male superhero name that plays off of a female hero name." You can't.
Sweet Jebus on the fucking cross. You can't because women aren't just men with tits you fucking halfwit. There are actual real genetic differences between the sexes. Different brains, different hormones. Fuck this gay earth.

>>92378188
This is the same bullshit reason that we won't see Leia in the slave costume in any SW media again. Lets ruin 40 years worth of an established character so your daughter can play dress up on halloween. GFY

>>92357084

Guys, just give it up, Carol ain't going anywhere when she has a movie coming up.

Do you folks complain about how Wonder Woman has undersold for *decades* but DC kept that book artificially afloat all that time as well?

>>92379868
...The fuck are you talking about ? He's asking you to name a male hero who's name is derived from a female hero name. Like we got Hulk and She-Hulk.

>>92372861

Wait... is Tigra wearing the White Tiger amulet??

>>92380026
The Wasp was the best identity Hank Pym has ever had.

>>92376890

http://illuminatingcomics.tumblr.com/

It's the dude what did Hickman run parody.

He skewers the fuck out of Carol on it. Now he's doing the same with CWII

>>92380139
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/tigras-cats-head-amulet/4055-57672/

>>92378634

Look at the history of acting and look at the very best actors of all time, male or female. What is your Top 20 list? How many of them are female? Is there a single female on your list?

Maybe you list Meryl Streep or Betty Davis. Meanwhile, the list of actors goes on and on and on.

I'm not offering an explanation of why this is, just pointing out that it *is*. Some of you will explain it away as institutionalized hollywood sexism, that good roles are rarely given to actresses to rise to the occasion. But that we do have a Streep or Davis points to the ability to overcome such glass ceilings, why isn't it done more often?

It sure looks like men are capable of becoming, on average, better at acting than their actress counterparts. Sex-segregated sport make sense, there is no debate that men are physically stronger and faster than their childbearing-designed opposites, but... we also have mens and womens chess tournaments. Shouldn't there be equality there for a purely mental sport? But the stats don't show that, men clearly dominate the game. Is it more institutionalized sexism the world over? Or are we terrified of admitting that the smartest men, the most-skillful men, tend to be more smart, more skilled, than their female counterparts?

But sure, go ahead and get rid of all those sex-segregated awards. Women should compete directly against men in the olympics, in basketball, in chess. And watch as women never win an award ever again.

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>>92380494

The answer is here, and it scares the crap out of everyone when it really shouldn't.

Women are on average smarter than men. There are more women at the median IQ level than men, whos IQ levels are spread all over the place.

Men skew higher towards the extremes. There are more male idiots (the medical term, not the colloquialism) than female, you just don't get as many women morons as men. On the flip side, the very highest IQ individuals on the planet tend to be male.

The simple answer for why in a post-women's liberated world that men still dominate at the highest positions in society, from politicians to chess players to actors. The best-of-the-best men are smarter than the best-of-the-best women. Thats not saying men are smarter than women, its saying those one in a million geniuses tend to be men, the one in a million morons tend to be men.

>>92380344
But he wasn't he-wasp.

>>92380494
>Or are we terrified of admitting that the smartest men, the most-skillful men, tend to be more smart, more skilled, than their female counterparts?

i don't think it's skill or intelligence, but dedication, men are hardwired for singular focus.

>>92378717

So where do we put non-gendered people?

Honestly, the oscars should be split by comedy/drama. You'd still have 4 categories. Best and supporting, you just put men and women in both. Tough shit if one gender wins more. You don't hear asian people complaining that they don't get nominated. It's always women and blacks who can't keep their fucking mouth shut.

>>92381077
>So where do we put non-gendered people?
in the camps where they belong

>>92378634
>"Name the male superhero name that plays off of a female hero name." You can't.

Lord Deathstrike plays off of Lady Deathstrike.

>>92358916
No, I'd fap myself to death from all the embiggening.

>>92357084
She needs to fuck off to space and stay there for an indeterminate amount of time. Maybe bring a sidekick with her. I dunno who'd be good for it. Jessica Drew is the first name that comes to mind, but she's probably busy, and Carol needs to try making nice with other people. Any suggestions?

>>92375293
>this dipshit post
>adds in frozen cheesecake

yeah, sure, please continue

>>92359139
>stop making her into a leader wonder woman type
This, really. She's just not that sort of personality. She's muscle, not brains or heart. Not dumb muscle, but definitely muscle.

Captain Marvel trades were doing fine until Secret War.

The Kelly Sue stuff was pretty good fun space opera superhero stuff. Sure it was a different Carol to classic Carol, but it was supposed to be. People can change and evolve.

After Secret War something went wrong(largely Civil War 2, and KSD leaving) and her character took a nosedive.

They trashed her like they did Tony in Civil War 1. Only they had RDJ to save him. It's going to be very hard to "save" Carol, she never had as strong a personality.

Boys will and do play with female superheroes, it's a myth that they won't. Something overly *girly* will put them off, which is why they may want to throw in a male sidekick like they do for Star Vs. the Forces of Evil.

Though I feel Jessica, Monica or Kamala would make a better sidekick, I guess there's no reason she has to have only one.

>>92372391

This is dumb. I liked Spider Woman's old design but her new costume makes a lot of sense for a spy/detective type character, and they wanted to emphasise that. They were obviously doing it to give her a more movie/TV friendly redesign too. You also chose most of the worst examples of Carol.

Elektra is also using the costume from Daredevil S2, which is a pretty decent costume.

I don't understand why people think the same costumes from decades ago will work today, or that there was never a problem with female capes being overly cheesecakey. A lot of the art on the left is fucking painful to look at and draws much too heavily on 90s influence.

>>92378615
This

I genuinely want to see the Captain Marvel movie because I'm confused what the hell it's going to be about.

Carol has no supporting cast, rogue's gallery, or even story moments so well known to define her. It's exactly like the Cyborg movie. How do you make a movie out of a character who is most well known for being part of the Teen Titans?

>>92384106

Anya Corazon used to be her sidekick, but now she's fucked off to Spider-Verse shenanigans.

>>92357084
What will happen to the MCU if her solo movie flops?

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>>92387200

>>92372391
Almost 10 years of letting whiny cry babies gaining power in the form of the SJW would have done this anyway. 8 years of an administration giving a trophy for everyone kids even more special attention leads to this kind of bullshit demands.

>>92388769
Cute.

>>92384853
I don't understand why people think the same costumes from decades ago will work today, or that there was never a problem with female capes being overly cheesecakey. A lot of the art on the left is fucking painful to look at and draws much too heavily on 90s influence.

Because those costumes were iconic for the comic book readers and when they were designed it was not for the purpose of cheesecake it was because artist didnt know how to draw cloths and that why it look like body paint in the older comics with the more modern artist they had no problem portraying those costume.

And why people dislike the spider-woman costume, is because is a unnecesary redesign with the purpose of being cosplay friendly if we used that excuse for everything then things like cyle condom costume or Magik costume should be redesign and there is also the problem of the controversy for her butt pic which brought her to the "mainstream" media with complain of sexism while not knowing who Milo Manara is and what he has done.

>>92388582
She'll be in Avenger films.

>>92381077
>So where do we put non-gendered people?
Nowhere because that doesn't exist you stupid fucking tumblrina.

>>92371802
going Super Saiyan AND getting cosmic awareness for the finisher is a really nice touch-

>>92388533
Is Anya still with Kaine? I liked their dynamic but haven't read a single thing with either of them since Scarlet Spider ended. Didn't they both get put on a team?

>>92389357

You're thinking of Aracely, and no, they haven't been together since New Warriors, though she might show up in the new Scarlet Spider.

>>92378634
And then he named her after a porno.
Smart.

>>92389525
Oh, whoops. I liked her. Wonder why they split up.

>>92381077
Nigga, Asians are complaining all the time about playing Yakuza or Triads or prostitutes that love you long time. We just had the whole dust up over Iron Fist being a whitey, and they would have thrown a hissy fit if he was asian over being yet another Kung fu master!

And it would be worse if the best actors/actresses were instead decided by genre because then guys would dominate, and bitches would bitch, and there really is no pleasing a bitch, homie!

>>92389596
Bravo Quesada/Bendis.

>>92389831

Alternate universe shit. He only recently got back to Earth-616.

>>92384853

Jesus, I never read so much shit in one post

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>>92378188
It shows the way to the abyss that Marvel walked
there's nothing wrong with the old suit
Marvel has to dismiss all this garbage that destroyed the company

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>>92390652
There's nothing wrong with the old one, but the new suit is better.

>>92358379
>Modern marvel is all about inclusion and diversity and representation
>won't make the this ship canon

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>>92391512
Sadly Modern marvel is also allergic to doing things fans want.

>>92366172
Carol looks like an elf here and not the sexy kind

>>92392867
I'd still hit it.

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>>92393203
Same. Carol has one of the best assess in the marvel universe.

>>92388582
>MCU
>flopping
Not even DCEU films flop.

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>>92370152
Jack got a happy ending, though.

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>>92359004
They're fifth place. Image is the company giving DC competition in the trade market.

>>92384583
bullshit. she has always sold middling even when she was ms. marvel. carol just sucks, okay?

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1.) Literally the only Captain Marvel ANYTHING that has sold well was The Death of Captain Marvel.

2.) Marvel needs to push her long enough so they can officially have a movie titled "Captain Marvel" as another push to keep the name logically under their copyright.

3.) Marvel also needs a Wonder Woman equivalent who can actually be compared to Wondie for marketing reasons.


Fuck all this sjw-boogeyman shit; this is the hard truth.

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>>92395961
Nah, m8.

>>92358753
Nothing, it's an MCU flick, it's guaranteed to print money no matter what.

>>92384853
>I liked Spider Woman's old design but her new costume makes a lot of sense for a spy/detective type character, and they wanted to emphasise that.

Spider-woman was literally designed to be a specific kind of spy; the kind that could seduce her way into predominately male communities like that of governments, armies, or superheroes. Why else do you think she's got pheromone powers?

Either way Jessica Drew is shit and I wish we'd gotten the Peter Clone or one of the dozen other Spider-women instead.

>>92397529
Last Ms. marvel issue. 50 $3.99 Marvel 25,309. Pretty decent numbers compare to Captain marvel.

I don't care about the movie.

The movies and TV show don't affect comics sales at all. Their attempts to launch various c-listers just because they were in a movie all flop. Marvel has literally used up all the goodwill of their readers with their stupid SJW attitude, "shocker" changes and retarded relaunches. "All-New All-Different" my fucking ass. Nobody is going to "jump on" at this point, everyone's just going to jump OFF.

Also normal, non-retarded people never complained about cheesecake in comics. Girls love to cosplay classic female costumes and still do. People want toys and merch of the classic costumes for both men and women, not the shitty pale MCU-ripoff versions they try to shill.

Marvel is trying to surf a wave that doesn't exist and Carol and the Inhumans are the crowning example of how they're plummetting to their deaths.

>>92384583
KSD's sales weren't all that hot & the Carol Corps never bought any other Marvel comics. They were just there for KSD.

>>92357084
Carol Danvers still = Ms Marvel for me.

Fuck the butch haircut

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>>92358379

>>92400885
Think of the Children. I wanted my daughter to be able to dress up as Captain Marvel. Daddy what happen in avengers 200 and cw2.

>>92358916
I fucking wish. Diversity hire she may be, she's fun as hell at her best.

>>92398335
Perfect.

>>92400885

That bottom art is so fucking gross. you can just see the lazy Deviantart style oozing off the page.

>>92400885
I agree that Marvel isn't doing great right now, but that picture is stupid.
The bottom art is all around better than the top art

>>92402470

You're a fucking moron if you seriously think that.

Oh fuck I took the b8

>>92402439
>>92402470
It's fanart.

>>92400885
Top art is way more preferable and conveys a sense of proportionality and realism, bottom art is not horrendous but can't really be considered good.

>>92368085
Man, Kang Dynasty was based

>>92400885
Does anyone know the artist on the spider-woman?

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>>92391512
Just do it Marvel. You have nothing to lose at this point.