Explain the Eltingville Club to me.

I was gonna storytime it for you, but I can't find the goddamn thing anywhere. Sorry OP.

Imagine every terrible thing about fandom, and times it by 10.

>>92340681
So, 4chan?

>>92340936
Oh please. Like 4chan can spend more than 5 minutes with 3 other real people in the same room

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It's pretty good but I don't have the patience to explain it
I'm just gonna say that Bill is the best character and if you don't read the comics, at least watch the cartoon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gK0uNlLa3s

>>92339634
/co/ irl

>>92341094
Wait, there was a CARTOON!?

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>>92341148
Ye-yuh, but only one episode, [AS] picked Venture Bros over Eltingville back in the 00s
It's a good thing because we got Venture Bros, but at the same time it's bad because we never got Eltingville Club
They should bring it back and cancel Rick and Morty imo

>>92341111
Well, /co/ shitposting IRL.

>>92340642
FUCK! I haven't been able to find a torrent of the Eltingville Club comics anywhere, so I keep hoping for a storytime!

it's about us really

>>92341212
Billfag here, I'm gonna be a nice guy and give you this

http://www.mediafire.com/file/fdds2mbl4dajzhw/The_Eltingville_Club_001_%282014%29_%28digital%29_%28Son_of_Ultron-Empire%29.cbr

http://www.mediafire.com/file/h5uv46iy9ez2cjr/The_Eltingville_Club_002_%282015%29_%28digital%29_%28Son_of_Ultron-Empire%29.cbr

Storytime if you want

>>92341208
The trivia contest and all the references work much better in print

Dorkin is indie so he gives no fucks but a network TV show might have misgivings

>>92341094
>>92341208
Oh so thats where the Boba Fett helmet came from. /co/ do you guys know a josh irl?

>>92341539
I think we all know the Eltingville Club members irl, some of us on /co/ even act like them

Funny how Dorkin is such a nice guy if you judge him based on his creation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4D2FAmCX8vI

>>92341315
These are the two recent issues but here's a collection that has everything else he did. I wanted to storytime it myself but I'm much too lazy.
http://www.mediafire.com/?0xddddmq4ctzz2j

>>92341208
They should definitely try to give the show another chance, but I don't see them canceling R&M over it, since it gives them lots of viewers and money

I live in the neighborhood this comic was based off.

>>92341794
Yea, Rick and Morty is the "new" [AS] cow

>>92339634
The ugly truth about YOU, consumer of /co/-related products.

>>92341854
Say hello to Dorkin for /co/

>>92341992
Not only /co/, but all of "nerd culture"

>>92342050
Not really. Such culture is full of normies, i.e. people for which life is something else than comics and cartoons.

>>92342088
>implying normies doesn't pretend to like comics and cartoons too
Every fandom has those guys that liked something better when it wasn't popular
We had a thread about this >>92314857

>>92341094
Bill is quite simply an irredeemable cunt.

Jerry is best boy and understands that the others are dragging him down.

There's some hope for Pete, and maybe marginal hope for Josh.

>>92342050
>>92342088
Yeah, the culture has changed drastically. It used to be angry manchildren fanboys who hate everything, now it's just vapid manchildren and womanchildren who love everything.

In the comic notice that each member is a fanboy of a specific thing: horror, scifi, comics, fantasy, and tabletops. They have interest in each other's passions but their main interests are individual. That's more like what things used to be.

Now everyone just enjoys the surface level of everything. You can't just be a fan of Star Trek and spend your time learning about it, instead you watch a handful of episodes of Star Trek and Doctor Who and Walking Dead, and DC cartoons instead of reading the actual comics, play a shitty game of D&D 4e with some friends and murder hobo it up, and then spend hundreds of dollars on merch to show everyone what a "fan" you are.

But the bitter assholes who just want to complain about everything are still out there, as evidenced by 4chan.

>>92342226
>It used to be angry manchildren fanboys who hate everything, now it's just vapid manchildren and womanchildren who love everything.
OH well, at least they love.

The Eltingville Club is about four losers who are friends based on their shared love of geek culture: comics, sci-fi, horror, fantasy. They are a pack, united in their goal to be the pinnacle of their obsession. They buy, they collect, they steal, they watch, they read, they write, they demand, they demand some more, they collect some more, they obsess constantly. They'll sneak into every new movie knowing it'll be a shitty rip off. They'll steal a toy from a child's food tray just so they can have a second duplicate.

They are the worst aspects of any fandom. They want and all they do is want. It's never enough.

However, every pack must have a leader, and Bill is constantly at odds with his pack. He has to be the winningest, the most knowledgeable, the one with the best stuff. Josh challenges him, Jerry and Pete shake their heads on the sideline. This pack cannot last. Years maybe? But not forever.

That is the Eltingville Club - a pack held together by a constant struggle for superiority in a world where being the leader means leading the charge in a barren, empty, fruitless plain.

>>92341368
Dorkin admitted the Trivia Off was probably not the best episode to pilot on.

>>92342339
They should have had subtitles for the contest because why not?

At least viewers will learn new things easier.

>>92342398
I mean, it's not like it was hard to understand what was happening, it got the point across well. But I guess casual viewers might get turned off.

I thought it was great, but if it was really between it and Venture, [as] probably made the right decision.

>>92339634
the writer is an antisocial little fuck that thinks everyone who likes comics is an asshole

all the content of his 90s zines and the ettingvile club was complaining about comics and music in the most pretentious way

even going as far as to go watch local bands and shittalk both the fans and the band

the only good thing he did is milk & cheese

>>92342461
Fuck you, I like it.

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>>92342640
I didn't say it's bad. but i'm saying it's extremely negative and the author is clearly one of those guys who gets off from shitting on others

that "I hate comics, i love comics" strip from milk & cheese is probably one of the best lines of the era

>>92341094
this would have made a perfect adult swim show

>>92342339
>>92342447
so if y'all had the chance to go back in time and tell dorkin what chapter to use what would you choose for a pilot ep ? personally i think twilight zone marathon could have been better animated

>>92342461
Anybody got their irony sense tingling when they read this post?

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You're tasked with writing Superboy Prime vs The Eltingville Club
What do you do?

>>92342989
Either combine a few of the smaller stories, or modify The Intervention to include the whole club.

>>92339634
what does "eltingville" refer to? not a native speaker.

>>92345463
The town where they live

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Who /northwest/ here?

>>92342787
Honestly I agree. I don't dislike or disagree with what Dorkin has to say as much as I just don't get anything out of it. I don't find it entertaining, or funny, or meaningful or interesting. It's just "look, aren"t these people shits?" and not much else.

>>92345809
I love how Dorkin shat on indiefags as well.

>>92345811
It depends on which work. I still like his Bill and Ted, and Kid Blastoff. Milk and Cheese and his angry stuff is good only in small doses, to me.

>>92339634
They are the "Comic Book and Science Fiction/Horror/Fantasy and Roleplay Club". Lady protectors, super collectors.

>>92341208
Is nerd culture still the way it was portrayed in the pilot? Would they need to update it for modern audiences and risk having a Big Bang Theory type shit going on?

>>92345809
Fuck, I remember reading that like a year after my "friends" and I tried to make our own comix zine. It was good medicine.

>>92347654
He doesn't go nearly as far was he did with the original group though, they're absolutely fucking awful people.

>>92339634
The early shorts are hilarious.

The 2 issue miniseries "finale" was just mean spirited garbage and not funny at all. Dorkin let his own personal hate of fans get in the way of just making a funny comic and it ruined the whole thing. There are basically no jokes. Instead it's just "fans are literally hitler: the comic".

>>92348092
>There are basically no jokes.

4U

Maybe it hit too close to home?

>>92348092
It was mostly just Bill. Pete and Josh were still degenerates, but they managed to get in on the bottom rung of menial industry scumdoggery and seemed pretty happy about it. Bill was a janitor and Jerry was a very unrealistic portrayal of trading card game players.

>>92347923
>Is nerd culture still the way it was portrayed in the pilot
No, most of nerds today are normies who want to be nerds cause nerds are cool now
Most of them are MCU fags

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FUN is still Dorkin's best work

Ed Piskor is actually Evan Dorkin

>>92340681
Eltingville isn't even applicable to things like modern internet fandom. You really couldn't sell the scenario if it were to make fun of something like Pinecest or prank business ratings.

>>92347923
Nah, it focuses directly on the Club and they wouldn't have changed. Most of the people in the comic store during the trivia off are depicted as nerds but nowhere near the level the Club are. You'd probably just have a few more normies acting weirded out that they were really doing this in the middle of the store.

I mean, the joke about Josh having a bootleg sex tape of sexy starlet nude scenes (that turns out to be episodes of the Hair Bear Bunch,) would have to be changed to like a torrent or something. Or hell maybe not, maybe they're such uber nerds they dig the tape trading and Josh got screwed even easier.

>>92347923
It wasn't ever really like this. These were the guys my friends and I avoided. Nerd stores were made for surgical strikes, not hanging out.

Decent people who wanted to see naked tits in their lifetime didn't talk about this shit in company.
I worked in a SF bookstore in Berkeley in the 90's and these guys would come in but they were outliers.

>>92350163
They already torrented by the time of the miniseries, I think.

>>92343839
>Implying they don't team up and destroy everything

Eltingville Club is cool, but the face of nerdom has changed SO MUCH in the intervening years and also that final issue was, while perhaps raising some salient points, WAY too on the nose.

>>92348092
The only part of the finale I didn't like was how much they genuinely shit on Jerry at the very end. Outside of that, I thought it was hilarious.

The problem is honestly less with Dorkin and more with the people who take the comic seriously and agree with its shitting on obvious exaggerations like they're fact. There was an article on like Kotaku or some other clickbait site that praised the comic for portraying the "awful manchild underbelly of the comics fandom" without a hint of irony.

>>92352517
But the thing is The Elitingville Club isn't about nerds in general. It's specifically about the worst of the worst. The story was inspired by people sending one of his friends death threats because Ice was killed off in the comics.

>>92347923
these guys weren't supposed to be the norm of nerd culture

they were supposed to embody the worst aspects of fandom

>>92352313
Like the anime boom (KC Green's Anime Club nearly isn't oldfag enough, also he kind of should be sued)

The post-Batman and Robin cape movies (the commercialization/legitification of cons and cosplay is noted but just there in the background)

Heck, even the Star Wars prequel and pre-Disney era (there is the background too)

>>92339634
In the 7 years I've been on 4chan, people like Josh and Bill, the latter most of all, are way too familiar with obsessive, venomous anons I've had the displeasure of meeting.

Would totally hang out with Pete and Jerry, though.

>>92341094

People were still using VHS in 2002?

>>92353393
If you were poor, yes.

DVD didn't really take over until the mid-late 2000's.

>>92353393
My family was. It would be a few more years before we made the switch.

Plus in this circle there would still be a lot of tape circulation going on and not everything they'd want to watch would make the transition. Even today horror buffs like Pete tend to collect vhs just because there was so much horror there that's not available in other formats.

>>92353393
I kept using it until 2005-6ish, not to watch movies but to record. My family skipped the whole TiVo thing.

Anime Club?

>>92342183
>marginal hope for Josh.

Hurm, no.

>>92342461

Show us on the Boba Fett action figure where Dorkin touched you, Anon.

>>92353747
Eltingville was part of its inspiration

Fun fact: Ellingtonville only exists because Dorkin is an obnoxious shit who wanted to white knight one of his friends, who got shitted on by comic fans for fridging a female super-hero.


Dorkin is BFF with Dan Vado, who was something of a big name in the indie comic field in the early 90s.

Vado ends up getting work at DC writing Justice League of America and decides to kill off Ice. Ice basically was everyone's favorite Waifu and he had her die a bitch's death after turning her evil and making her a willing ally of a Galactus rip-off.

Pretty much EVERYONE at DC thought it was a bad idea, even Mark Waid, who (due to the death being part of a crossover) had to misfortune of being the one who had to write the death Vado ordered.

(Waid has long stated that he regrets not fighting harder to stop Vado BTW and puts that issue up there with the whole "Zodiac" issue of Captain America he did, as one of the issues he publicly disowns)

Vado got a lot of hate mail which pissed off Dorkin, for Dorkin considered Vado a BFF and industry icon in the indie scene (he also stated "why should fans be pissed off that he killed Ice? She's just going to come back!"; ignoring the fact that DC was dead set on keeping Ice dead and even tried to shove a rather loved lesbian stalker replacement on fans, who shitted on her so badly, DC not only let James Robinson kill her off but also let another writer skin her alive; Ice only came back to life around 2007 and even then Gail Simone had to burn through a LOT of favors to be allowed to bring her back due to the hate boner DC has for the Giffen League).

The Eltingville Club is like Big Bang Theory but accurate and actually funny

>>92353618
This. I'm a VHS collector and there's a lot of good shit that never made the jump to DVD or Blu Ray. There's also a lot of underground production companies that make horror movies exclusively for VHS. It's an interesting culture.

>>92354318
Wow what an asshole. Imagine getting mad that people send your friend death threats over a bad comic. Fucking white knight should get a life.

I storytimed the series once. It's really interesting seeing such polarizing reactions and how quickly it can make users turn on each other. I'd say Eltingville is a lot more relatable than /co/ would like to admit.

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>>92341094
>I'm just gonna say that Bill is the best character

In a "how far can this cunt take his shit?" kind of way, sure.

>>92353393
I only heard about DVD in 2007 kek

>>92339634
Literally 4chan in real irl.

>>92354318
>the hate boner DC has for the Giffen League)

But whyyyy

That's their problem

>>92355733
Geoff Johns didn't grow up with that league, which means it's bad and should be forgotten.

>>92354485
And to get his revenge he wrote an indie comic where he makes fun of them, the absolute madman!

>>92352909
Their interests covered anime as far as it applied to sci-fi, fantasy, etc. then only the more mainstream-ish cult ones like Akira.

I figure depictions of early oldfag fans would have to be way more specialized and Japanophilic.

>>92354485
>death threats
He said hate mail, anon. Hate mail. Not death threats.

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>>92358026
Dorkin says death threats.

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>>92358367

>>92339634
I love the eltingville club

>>92355854
Not true; if anything Johns is a huge fucking fanboy of the Detroit League. Which even Giffen League fans hate.

It's more DiDio hating the Giffen League due to his shallow mainstream notions of what DC should be.

The JLI was when the Justice League had 99% C-Listers with the occassional token Batman, Martian Manhunter, Wonder Woman, or Superman as the leader.

That said, Geoff DOES fucking hate Max Lord and Ted Kord. He repeatedly cockblocked Ted's return after all.

I can't believe we killed Jim Steranko!

>>92360558
I can't believe we JON BON JOVI

imagine /co/
make it worst.

>>92362044
/thread

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>>92341722
>>92341315
Just a quick thanks to you fellas.

>>92359580
>>92354318
I know it's you, Jesse/Marvel """"Insider"""

Dorkin is fucking awesome

>>92353393
Well, the tape was supposed to be a mix of a bunch of scenes of older movies where those girls appeared naked. Considering most of those movies would probably be on vhs or taped from tv and not released on DVD yet, it makes sense.
And that's not me just giving too much thought about this, it's just that I know for a fact that up unitl fairly recently, porn, real death and all that kind of bootleg mixtapes were still distributed on actual tape.

People get really touchy about Milk & Cheese and Eltingville like: "He's a bad author because his parody is too extreme and not nuanced."

It would be milquetoast lukewarm piss instead of biting vitriol if he was realistic in his parodies.

Dude can write, just read Beasts of Burden.
I even like his older stuff like Hectic Planet.

>>92348520
>>92369308
these

>>92348520
>Ed Piskor is actually Evan Dorkin
Huh?

>>92359580
Didio literally gave a handful of spin offs to Giffen league.

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Something for the Gundam threads.

Someone should storytime all of the Eltingville Club, I bet a good portion of people have only read the two official issues. And it's always such a blast to read through with /co/

>>92348092
>comic spoofing nerd culture, in an age where it's become 100 times more hostile thanks to the internet giving a constant voice to lowlifes, becomes 100 times more hostile

golly, who'd have thought

Comic is trash.
It's kinda funny because it's an outrageous collection of clichés, but the venom is unbearable.

Is there good depictions of nerd culture in /co/ media? Something like early Genshiken for /a/.

>>92373537
>Is there good depictions of nerd culture in /co/ media?
Well there is this really good show called The Big Bang Theory :^)

>>92373673
>>92373694
>>92373710
Josh is crazy, more obsessive than Bill, but almost as much of an ass

>>92373313
>textextextextext

>>92373694
>x-fags
/ourguy/

>>92374163
Are they gonna try and deprogram him?

>>92374163
Fun bit of trivia. The opposite sides of dice are always supposed to add up to 7. (6+1, 5+2, 4+3) So that die was either manufactured incorrectly. Or the artist wasn't aware of that fact when it was drawn.

>BFF with that hack Vado
wtf I hate Dorkin now

>>92348092
so the real fans as i know them by just being here and tumblr.

Didn't expect this thread to last so long, nice
Will be reading the storytime once I return from the movies

frankly, after reading the storytime,
I feel like /co/ are gentlemen compared to these guys. Really, /co/ at its worst feels mild compared to them

>>92376710
Like someone else said, the club is mean to be the worst of the worst then multplied ten fold
Also, apparently some of the characteristics and stories are based on the author himself and his friends in their youths

>>92374493
I fucking love the expressions in this whole scene. If I were more into comics I'd probably read the entire series.

>>92376770
feels good man, t b h
for the first time in my life

>>92376770
>Also, apparently some of the characteristics and stories are based on the author himself

Yeah in that one story Evan wrote about how he stole sodas in summer camp and one day he picked one that turned out to be ant-filled he ended it with showing a panel saying that next time he'll probably do a story about the time he stole Star Wars figures when he was a kid, so the Eltingville Club stealing toys part was definitely from him.

>>92342787
I use to be much too big a fan of Milk & Cheese. I damn near got a tattoo.

>>92353034
The final story with Jerry turning out completely fine was heartwarming.

The rest of the story not so much, but that part was.

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>>92374493
hey sorry had to take care of something

>>92369308
His parody isn't parody. It's "look at these people I resent acting like stupid smelly fools" there's nothing to it other than his own negative feelings.

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Reading this now and it's kinda weird, I just had the 'towards the sun or away from the sun' conversation about this episode with my boss a couple days ago.

>>92378445
Show me on the doll where Dorkin touched you, anon.

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>>92353747
What would happen if they met?
I'd pay cash to see them fight

>>92339634
story about bitter asshole nerds

that's it

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>>92378599
The Eltingville kids are bigger and older and have more deep-seated hatred at the world, The Anime Club would get destroyed.

>>92373459
>This is the greatest time ever to be a kid
>And it only gets better
>They're about to graduate high school

My broken little heart.

>>92341094
this is what I imagine an Anime Club show would have been like

>>92373459
>Star Wars Episode 1
>Mask 2
>Judge "codpiece" Dredd
poor fucks

>>92374375
I have seen incorrectly manufactured dice, but likely the artist did not know or didn't give a shit. It's not commonly known about the add up to 7 thing.

>>92378821
Is it bad that most of the fake comics in this I would read unironically?

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>>92378047
>TFW Jerry goes to jail anyways and probably lost his girlfriend
>TFW Bill made the very girl Jerry was in love in high school scared of him after spreading gossip that Jerry fucked her
>That scene where Jerry fucking loses it and pulverizes Bill to the point where the other members try to stop him

>>92378965
I'm optimistic that they didn't break up, especially after he realized there was no hope for the rest of the club, at least not with Billy in the group

>>92342339
I think The Eltingville Club would have had the same problem that alpha Zootopia had. It's not being told from a positive perspective on life.
It's being told from a very negative and defeatist perspective where it's just 4 losers fighting over nothing.

It's not even like Ed Edd Eddy where it's 3 dorks against the neighborhood for their quest to obtain jawbreakers.

It's not even a humorous struggle like Tom & Jerry.
It's something akin to Cartman vs. Kyle from South Park, but much more pointless and uninteresting.

If it was like Ed Edd Eddy where it's 3 assholes against the world, then yeah. At least those 3 asshats are united as a team to fight against other assholes instead of each other.

>>92378707
Well yeah because KC Green said that Anime Club was based off of Eltingville Club.

>>92379110
The problem with it is that it's also incredibly pessimistic.

Compare it to say Married with Children and The Simpsons where the family is comprised of losers, drunkards, minimum wagers, assholes who mock, deride and make fun of each other and throw snarky remarks at everyone. But they have their rustic charm.


But at least it's funny, it's not dramatic, they're not openly antagonistic and against each other in a serious manner.

Even the quad team from South Park knows when to cool it off and work together. (While the other half Cartman is always playing the villain role)

>>92378850
>work at a comic book store
>digging through the back for some marvel statue or something, I don't even remember now
>stumble onto a stack of Ultimate Spider-Man #1, 50 copies or more
>book sells for $20-30
>ask boss about it

this story is too freakin true

What the fuck is Bill's problem? He's such an asshole and antagonistic towarsd the otehrs. The others havr their problems as well, but he's the most spiteful jerk of them all by far

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>>92378963

>>92379254
He seemed like the leader of the club so he got to used to ordering them around, then he got the comic shop job and the power went to his head, and then he got jealous that he's the loser while his 3 friends found their own happiness using their knowledge and passion for nerd shit.

>>92379298
Yeah, but even before he works at the store, he gets worse and worse according to the others

>>92378821
I return comics I've bought at my LCS if they're messed up inside. LCS is always nice about it.

>>92354504

>>92379390
this is cuntville though

>>92378911
Uhhh when was this comic issue made? 2011? Is he still making it? I spotted something that should not be there in the year 2001.

>>92379390
The founders of my LCS worked at Microsoft and made enough success to start one up as a hobby

>>92379472
This was in 2015.

>>92379495
Well, this is depressing...

>>92342280
>OH well, at least they love.
This

>>92379587
It gets worse
It's almost like /co/mic's equivalent Moral Orel with Clarissa topping Eltingville by a wide margin in depressing levels

>>92379607
How will people know you are a fan if you just *love* stuff? Seriously.

>>92378574
How many times are you going to say that in this thread?

His comics are tedious WORD WORDS WORD and all the content is about how shitty nerds are in the least subtle way possible.

I saw the pilot a few months back on adult swim at like 4 am, and I loved it.
I rewatching it time to time.

>>92379495
I never got the bee-dee bee-dee bee-dee thing

>>92379710
Twiki
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oFX7IgLlDk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yptoaCKZ0Tw

>>92379667
It's obviously affectionate parody. You think Dorkin could drop all these references if he wasn't a nerd himself? Sack up and laugh at yourself a little mate.

>>92379710
It's from the Buck Rogers TV show in the 70's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yptoaCKZ0Tw

>>92379709
How could Josh get Spider-Man's name wrong?

>>92379793
>Cosplay threads.jpg

>>92379801
That's what makes it funnier.

>>92379734
geoffjohns.jpg

I've only seen the pilot episode and nothing else of Eltingville, but Josh seems like the biggest cunt ever.

>>92379757
>>92379776
Buck Rogers? Is Duck Dodgers based on that?

>>92378920
>Fridge Force
>Who Will Get Raped?

No, you're not alone.

>>92379472
Dorkin decided to make this one jump from the late 90's to 2015. Which means there is an unexplained 20 year time gap where the EltVil Club kept being teenagers.

Feels weird, honestly.

>>92379864
Right. Duck Dodgers in the 24½th Century is a parody of Buck Roger in the 25th Century.

>>92379857
Oh no they're gonna fuck this up for Jerry

poor kid

>>92379709
>Greedo318
oh boy

>>92379667
>tedious WORD WORDS WORD
I didn't know there was a quota on how many words a comic panel was allowed. I guess American Splendor is shit now too.

Fucking moron.

>>92379921
and we all know who that really is, don't we

>>92378963
There have never been this many people (not sitting and spit-screaming over cards) in any lcs ever.

>>92379967
Yes that's what I remembered when reading the page.

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>>92379971
Hey /co/, what would be the most fitting song for this moment?

>>92379942
>penetration variants

Ah, good old Boundless Comics.

>>92379948
He just doesn't get it, not like us, eh, anon?

>>92380027
bald guy is me

>>92379991
Free Comic Book Day. It can be a zoo.

Of course, they never show up again until the next FCBD.

>>92379948
>surprised that a braindead capeshit fan doesn't want to read too many words
First day on the board anon?

>>92380084
>GHOSTBUSTERS 5
Fools, the future turned out to be even bleaker!

>>92380119
501st Gangbang Video coming

>>92380176
Perfect ending for this shit club

>>92380036
Something geek-related but also sad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REQ58_UqzlQ

>>92345809
I'll do the Northwest Comix Collective even though I don't think it's as funny.

>>92380027
>Joss Whedon
I guess he didn't predict the whole Avergers 2 drama.

>>92380119
>yelled 'firefly' in a crowded convention center
That's pretty good.

>>92380301
>Oh Boy. Spider-Man--I Love Spider-Man
Banner material

>>92380248
The comic was out only a few months after Avengers 2 was released so I don't think he would've had time to change that, anyway.

>>92380365
>jerking off to Betty & Veronica

Well who hasn't?

>>92374262
Holy shit, I sure wasn't expecting to see Turn A Gundam in this comic.

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>>92374363
He's not exactly wrong.

>>92380258
This entire part is pretty great.

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>>92339634
man I'd kill for more eltingville club, too bad dorkin killed it

>>92379991
You'd see this many people in an LCS in the 90s... kids, even. Good times.

>>92379298
Bill has nothing else going on. The fandom-intervention guys point that out to him, and they're not wrong. We see in the future issue the others are at least capable of separating from fandom enough to function. Josh is bright enough to go to college, Pete can hold down a job even if it is just working for his dad, Jerry is a pretty functional guy all around when he's not with them. Bill has nothing else, so he takes it seriously, and you become a bullshit person when the only thing you're living for is bullshit.

>>92374184
>Good Lord *choke*

A classic.

>>92376710
You're comparing real people to caricatures, man.

>>92379254
If you never met a Bill, you might be a Bill.

>>92380858
He only has a point if your life is empty and devoid of purpose.

>Watching the dub
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xWQdwNyfC4

I like Eltingville Club, been reading it since it began, but it very obviously changed in tone as it went on. The end result was bleak and bitter, any hint of affection for the characters was systematically stripped out. This is transparently a reflection of Dorkin's mentality and his disdain with his audience.

It was quite clearly an affectionate critique on a group that he originally counted himself among. The characters were based on people he knew, friends, familiar stereotypes and Dorkin's himself. Sure, they were misanthropic outcasts but they were passionate about their hobbies and shared a camaraderie with each other. Anyone that grew up with guy friends would find their banter and tasteless jokes familiar. Anyone that grew up as a nerd/outcast in the late 70's / 80's (Dorkin's childhood) would find commonalities with these mean spirited awkward guys.

Their early adventures are appealing to some degree and largely reminiscent of our own childhood. Midnight movie/show marathons, comic hunting, pointless debates, D&D sessions, bootleg tapes, etc. If you never participated in ANY of those...I don't know what to tell you.

The series starts to go off the rails when the loving parody becomes a full on indictment. The 10 year gap between stories really highlights Dorkin's change in mood. He revisits the story but now he changes his tune, suddenly the Genesis for the story is not his childhood it's "dirty stinky meanies that sent naughty letters to my buddy!" Now he places himself above the fans and criticizes them from on high, the characters that were based on Dorkin & friends are now unrepentant virgin asshole shot lords. The characters no longer have any love for their fandoms, they trudge through it because it's all they know. Dorkin wasn't poking fun anymore he was burning effigies...and it just wasn't funny anymore.

There was truth to the early stories but the later half is a hateful rant from just another sod that despises the fans that made them.

>>92384367
Your not wrong.

Dorkin was also taking shots at the Eltingville fans who don't give a shit about Beasts or even Milk & Cheese but the constant question "When is Eltingville coming back?" And I think this was his "Fuck you...HERE!"

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>>92373459
>that backdown after he gets asked if he read the book
damn son, thats real nerd shit

>>92384367
Well, the so called nerd culture has also become something way more negative than it was berfore.
Source: look around.

>>92374375
Maybe it's a rare spindown d6? I dunno.

>>92379764
thats actually not the wrrst business idea in the world

>>92384758
I wasn't aware of that but it makes sense. Dorkin is a creative guy but he is woefully bad at capitalizing on his success. It seems almost like it physically pains him to complete a series. I don't know if he's just inept with endings or if he just gets bored of his own work but (much like the characters near the end of Eltingville) he just begrudgingly trudges towards a finish line.

I'm a big fan of Beasts of Burden and he's been teasing a continuation since forever...and I'm just done with waiting. By the time he gets back to it the charm will be gone, the direction aimless, the conclusion bitter.

>>92384935
It was always negative! In the 70's and 80's comics/scifi/role playing was not cool in the slightest. There was no internet (for the most part) where fans could seek each other out and promote their interests. There was no crossover appeal with movies, video games, geek chic, etc.

If you were a fan you were an outcast from the mainstream. In those days the mainstream culture was truly MAIN. There were fewer movies in theaters, there were fewer channels on tv, the cultural zeitgeist was shared by a vastly larger amount of people than today. So if you weren't accepted into that group you were truly on the fringe and the fringe sucked.

Nerd culture was a beacon to people on the fringe, it was a place to bond. Much like the guys in Eltingville you may not have shared the exact interests of your makeshift group but you bonded in your mutual exile. Unfortunately, being rejected stings and gathering a group of stung people would naturally lead to more than a few bitter assholes but that's the way it was. Plus, let's face it...some people are shunned with good reason. Not everyone was an outcast because they were awkward or short or tall or had glasses...some were just shitheads.

The difference nowadays is an influx of casual fans that want comics/video games/etc. to conform to their standards. Fans are being shunned from their once outcast hobby.

>>92379942
i remember when people would post the first three panels as relatables
its weird to think there are sad fuck who actually think like this

>>92385933
Yes, I was a fan before the internet got big and I know what you mean, but the amount of vile has grown from anonymity and more and more "outsiders" coming in, making the "true" nerds/geeks/fans even more protective and reactionary than ever before.

>>92385975
Yeah, check out the post above you of some oldfag raging that the people don't like the stuff he likes with the same devotion as him

>>92386034
I suppose that's true but I can't help but place my sympathies with the longtime fans. They supported the industry for decades in spite of the stigma and rejection that came with it. Now they find themselves being pushed out because suddenly nerd culture has been deemed acceptable by the masses but only on the condition that the "problematic" corners are fumigated. The industry is all to happy to comply because they think the larger crowd is obviously going to net them more money than the small crowd that has kept them alive.

It's shitty and it's disheartening. I may have gotten myself out of that dead-end (worked out, got contacts, paid attention to fashion, went to college, got married, got a good job) but I still sympathize with the outcast and if they want to be angry and defensive as they are getting a boot to their face I say good. They earned their spot and they earned their anger.

>>92386234
Cute but you're far off the mark.

I said I could relate to glimpses of the early characters. Outcasts that were awkward but, ultimately, just trying to have fun. The characters by the end of the book are just rabid unrepentant cunts that hate literally every other fan from casual to hardcore.

I never advocated that casual fans should be barred from enjoying the hobby, I just take issue with casual fans moving in and demanding changes. I want more fans to support the industry but if they aren't willing to support it for what it is than what's the point? If they promise support on condition of certain concessions and then after those conditions are met they STILL don't support it the end result is a crippled industry that burned longtime fans for the promise of fans that never showed up.

If a steakhouse adds a salad bar nobody would complain but if they become a vegan-only restaurant then I can't help but feel like it's not the place I remember...even more humorous when they find out that there are far fewer vegans than they imagined.

>>92379156
Inspired by because they actually like each other despite the bullshit unlike the Eltingville Club.

>>92386510
Wait, so you're somewhat surprised that a culture based on consumerism changed when the demand changed? The problem is in people putting faith and morals on things that don't hold any. It's the same shit with sports and such.

>>92378911
While this guy is a giant asshole a lot of the things he's saying aren't completely wrong.

Comic shops get fucked pretty hard with special orders that never get picked up and that nobody else wants.

>>92386953
>Wait, so you're somewhat surprised that a culture based on consumerism changed...
No? I never said I was surprised, this has been happening since the concept of industry. It's disappointing but not unexpected in the least.

>when the demand changed?
When you say "demand" are you referring to "supply and demand" or give me this or else "demand?"

That's the distinction that most industries struggle with. Existing fans are demanding more of the product that you already produce. Other people are offering to lend additional demand for your product if you give in to their demands. As we've seen time and time again; it's a balancing act to appeal to the widest margin. Problem is when you jettison everything that made you popular for an audience that oops doesn't actually feel like supporting you in the end. The "fair weather" fans lost a brief fad, the diehard fans lost everything.

>The problem is in people putting faith and morals on things that don't hold any.
It's not a matter of faith or morals, it's a battle against short-sided stupidity that will lead to long term destruction. I have little faith in comics, I just hope they don't implode trying to appeal to a nonexistent audience.

>It's the same shit with sports and such.
Look at the NY Islanders! They left their little rat's nest arena full of loyal fans for the bright shiny Barclays Center. Their loyal fans struggled to attend games and a new audience never materialized. Now they are forced to search for another arena. What happened? The affluent populous Brooklyn audience said they wanted hockey, they said they'd support the Islanders if they left their old arena and...they didn't. The real funny part is that the old coliseum that loyally housed the team and its fans for decades went through an overhaul after they were abandoned...now they don't have enough seats to host hockey. All parties are fucked in the end, except of course for the Brooklyn would-be fans that never cared.

>>92387557
Well, since you said you were disappointed I assumed you had some sort of expectations that weren't mean, since that's what the word means.

>>92387557
Sorry, I clicked post before replying to some other of your points.

Bottom line is that I've been there but I've realized that I was the one in the wrong for expecting anything from a business enterprise.
Business are about making as much money as they can right now, and they will always be.
If you grow up and you can't see that, then I don't really have much sympathy towards you, and you're probably just an immature asshole like those depicted in the comic (and just to be clear, I mean a figurative "you", not "you the guy I'm responding to" since it obviously doesn't apply).
Oh and I don't know what to say about the sports stuff you talked about because I'm not from the US so I've no fucking idea about any of that shit.

>>92387880
Nope...my only expectation is that they try to stay in business, so I can continue buying the product that I like.

>>92388030
Again, I don't expect an industry to support my whims. I gravitated to various industries because they were producing a product that appealed to me already, so I had no additional demands.

My main point is that desperately divesting yourself of everything unique in order to appeal to a nonexistent audience is not a sound business strategy. It will lead to a collapse and, from a purely selfish point of view, I want the industry to survive for my continued enjoyment. The death of an industry from shortsighted tactics doesn't benefit anyone.

I expect a business to stay in business, nothing else. I hope for more, I anticipate less but bottom line keep the doors open.

>>92388461
Well, I've been hearing about the death of the industry for 20 years now, and it's still there. It's not as massive as it used to be, and it might eventually be relegated to a more niche audience, but those things do happen as the world around them change. Opera isn't a big deal anymore, for instance.
Just as you said, these comics, movies, tv shows, etc. are commercial products directed to the masses. To expect some sort of long term sustainable plan is simply unrealistic, it never worked that way in the enterprise world. Look at all the enviromental bullshit we have to deal with, and how they're still refusing to change their methods of exploiting natural resources unless they're forced to by the goverment. None of these big businesses care about long term sustainable models, they just care about making as much as they can, as fast as they can. That's simply the way liberal capitalism works, whether we like it or not.