Who's in the right /co/?

>>92323212
Eric's being intentionally dense there. He knows that's not what Jeffrey Tambor means.

>>92323212
considering The Dark Knight has roughly nothing to do with any source material, I would say he's 100% right

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>>92323259

Without the movies nobody would care about Hellboy. Mignola is a complete sellout in this instance, he should dedicate new movie to GDT.

>>92323383
Nigga what, it's not like GDT is inherently connected to Hellboy. Mignola can do whatever the fuck he wants with it.

>>92323399
This new movie wouldn't even be in talks if Del Toro didn't make the first two and made the character mainstream. Tambor is 100% correct. Mignola being the creator is irrelevant especially when the two versions are so different.

>>92323383
This. Especially since Mignola stayed silent while Del Toro and Ron were recently trying to garner interest in another movie. He could have just said he was dealing with other people and told Guillermo not to get people's hopes up. Sell-out snob pussy bitch who can't deal with the fact that he's irrelevant to all this. Good thing this new movie is going to be dogshit CGI trash for the Deadpool audience.

>>92323469
Nolan doesn't need permission from Burton to make a Batman movie

>Movie version X vs Movie version Y discussion will be more of a thing
Kill me
At least comic vs film discussion won't be that big unlike book vs film considering how shit Diamond is at distribution

>>92323383
>>92323486

Del Toro is the reason 3 was taking so long to get traction.
He wanted more money.

>>92323542
Batman isn't Hellboy

>>92323593
Why can't comic book /tv/ adaptations die already and leave us in peace?

There wouldn't be any movies if there was no audience there from the source material to make it catch on.

People are mad there's no Del Toro and Ron Perlman but also mad that Mignola is cool with it? That's dumb. I get why people want Ron and Del Toro but it was never going to happen. Why people gotta be negative? Just hope the movie isn't trash or just read some fucking Hellboy comics or watch the older movies, fuck.

Eric Powell is making a fool of himself as well.

>>92323383
Mignola is an old man that wants to retire and coast off the success of royalties and shit. Call him a sell out but I don't blame him. Dudes been working since the fucking 80's in this shit industry.

>Iron man
>Guardians
>the mcu in general
He's right.

>>92323676
You know only like 1000 people read comics right?

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>>92323212
>tfw I don't give a shit about the old movies or the new movie or whatever the fuck and just want /tv/ to leave good comics alone

>>92323739
Even so, the source material is what gives the hollywood hacks ideas to use in the first place. Plus its a case by case thing. Perhaps Hellboy didn't have alot of people who read him, but then again, not alot of people saw his films either. Its not quite the same with characters like Batman or Spider-man.

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>>92323793
Just wait until Dave Sim dies, Cerebus enters public domain immediately, and some Hollywood exec reads on wikipedia on how acclaimed it is and decides to make a movie "based on it" that's really just advertised as "Shrek meets Game of Thrones" starring Seth Rogen

>>92323676
>if there was no audience there from the source material to make it catch on
Movies create audiences, anon. The 50 fans of the Hellboy comic book mean nothing in the larger picture.

>>92323824
>Even so, the source material is what gives the hollywood hacks ideas to use in the first place.
That's not the issue though. The question is if the comic's notoriety greatly impacted the success of the film and the answer is: no.

>>92323212
>>92323327
>>92323359
Who let Pop-Pop use his Twitter again?

>>92323865
Dave Sim himself already ruined Cerebus more than Hollywood ever could anyway.

>>92323676
Please, Hollywood just farms IPs from wherever and churns out the same shit for the masses with a different coat of paint.

I don't know how GitS did but I presume anime is next in their sights. Good luck /a/, though you probably have better mods who won't let /tv/ shit up your board like /co/ is.

>>92323865
you should probably spend less time everyday fantasizing about new things to be upset over.

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>>92323927
BELIEVE IT

>>92323927
>It's the year 2026
>Every single board has been infested by /tv/
>The last person who still browsed /po/ for its original purpose closes his 4chan tab for the last time, sick of hearing about the new blockbuster Origambit with Channing Tatum

>>92323960
I hate Naruto so much I'd really love to see it put through the Hollywood ringer.

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>>92323728
Powell's passionate about respect and creators of creator owned comics

>>92323359
>>92323327
Oh Jeff you can have a job don't be such a little bitch.

>>92323927
>Death Note
>GitS
>this shit >>92323960
Not happening.

They would need a Kevin Feige kind of person to balance out the Hollywood needs while being true to the source material in the eyes of nerds and I doubt there's a murrikan producer that can do so.

>>92324058
>being true to the source material
When has that ever mattered to Hollywood? They're after the mass audience, they don't give a fuck what fans of the source material think if they're outnumbered 10 to 1 by people buying movie tickets.

>>92323896
Underrated post

>>92324116
> being true to the source material in the eyes of nerds
Learn to read anon.

That other anon wasn't completely wrong about having an initial target audience for the product. That way they can cement themselves as a franchise and branch out to more mainstream eyes.
That's exactly what happened with he MCU.

>>92324116
Snyder tried it once. Didn't work out but he tried.

>>92324205
Yes, he did with Watchmen of all fucking comics and even there he got rid of stuff.

>>92323212
ive been reading comics since 1988, and i never heard about hellboy until the movie came out, so take that as you will

>>92324058
No one wants this. Nobody wanted Dragon Ball, Nobody wanted Scarjo in the Shell. and Nobody wants fucking Naruto.

>>92323999
Can't wait for weebs going batshit when the first trailer comes out.
Naruto was fucking popular here in the Bay Area and I kept seeing kids rave about it and doing the shitty ninja run

>>92324358
Hollywood refuses to understand why they can't tap into animebux.

>>92323212

The Hellboy movie is nothing at all like the comics so yeah Tambor is right.

Isn't Hellboy basically Garfield-tier at this point? There are so many Hellboy and BPRD comics but half the time I open them up and it's not even Mignola's awesome artwork.

>>92323888

no.
Tambor is trying to argue that Hellboy wouldn't be a franchise without Del Toro or Perlman
which, sure you could argue thats true. but Perlman regardless of his past stardom wasn't a box office draw in 2004. Same with Del Toro, the only major film he'd done at that point was Blade 2.
Del Toro for all his genius and design didn't really add much to the Hellboy mythos in the first film. He kinda mashed a few storylines together to make them more presentable for a one-and-done film.

to say that Hellboy wouldn't have worked without Del Toro and Perlman is insane.
but, honestly we can't really argue it either way since Del Toro and Perlman DID Hellboy, and we don't live in a world where anyone else was given that same chance to say that only those two together can manage a solid live-action Hellboy.

>>92324419
The YA dystopian novels are out of fashion and there isn't a lucrative comic franchise to bleed dry like the big two. It only makes since why they want to tap into the weeb market. Especially when the Olympics are coming along.

>>92324470
ONE PUNCH MAN.

Seriously with the capeshit hype it's a nosense they haven't even considered it.

>>92324515
Who would play Saitama?

>>92324572
Jackie Chan.

>>92324425
Except, you, know, they're full of Mignolia's characters.

>>92323212
The guy who owns the rights, obviously.

>>92324634
Indeed. Mignola did nothing wrong.

>>92323266
Idk it curbed heavily from Long Halloween and a little bit from Killing Joke


Also the comic is calle The Dark Knight Returns

>>92324028
This is 100% dead on but watch capeshit fans get asshurt over it anyway.

>>92324707
>owns rights
>original creator of property
>position unassailable
Pick three.

>>92324443
>shitting on Harren and Fegredo
Just because it's not Mignola doesn't mean it's bad.

>>92324899
Why would they? It's a failure on the part of the industry, not the fans. You can literally trace the lack of content diversity right back to the comics code and Martin Goodman.

So what are the biggest non cap comics for Hollywood to use as IP farms?

>>92325762
Millarworld
He openly writes movie pitches

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>>92323212
>>92323327
So the chances of Goon appearing on a Hello sequel? Or vice versa

>>92326461
Cameo at best

>>92323960
I'll be morbidly curious how a whitewashing outcry would play out if/when they cast a white kid as Nalt. Since he doesn't exactly scream ethnic japanese,

The only part of it being a reboot that I'm leery about is how much of it will be retreading over the story of the first Del Toro movie in terms of screen-time devoted to origins/beginning stuff. I really hope they sidestep that stuff as much as possible and focus on having the story define it as a separate work rather than just making a third of the movie a slightly different flavor of another one that already exists.

I don't know why everyone loves the movies so much, they were mediocre at best and didn't capture the feeling of the comic at all. Only thing it had going for it was casting and the costume work.

>>92324028
He's completely correct, but sweaty, emotionally-stunted fanboys who think Marvel and DC are their friends will never accept that.

>>92330995
>Only thing it had going for it was casting and the costume work.

Yeah that's about right. I prefer Pan's Labyrinth and Cronos. Still need to see Crimson Peak

>>92328362
From 10+ years ago, I remember an interview with the author saying Naruto becoming popular in America must have something to do with him having blonde hair and blue eyes.

>>92331324
As someone with blond hair and blue eyes, that's crap

Eric is for sure way more wrong about this especially considering it's Hellboy, most people don't even know the comics, they just know and love the movie and rightfully so. It's a great series and it's success shows that (I do like the comics though.)

>>92324899
>>92331000
>>92331064
>look at me, I'm so superior XD
You are the reason people don't want to read creator-owned comics, because they're associated with cunts like you.

>>92331217
No, you don't.
It's a piece of garbage.

>>92331324
No it's because Sasuke was the perfect character for middle school boys in the 2000's

Itachi was the best character

Did someone say Cerebus movie?:) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmmzXVb_4nE

>>92324358
At least Johansson gave us an interesting, completely bleak take on the property. All those people calling calling out the movie for portraying whiteness as the perfect aesthetic ideal don't realize that a soulless multinational cybernetics company would totally make a Japanese girl over into a white killing machine.

>>92331835
Dave actually likes what he saw

>>92324470
>The YA dystopian novels are out of fashion
They are absolutely not out of fashion. I think the real issue is that the audience that consumes YA novels doesn't fucking watch movies.

>>92331064
Get a load of this faggot.

>>92331919
Name one YA dystopian Novel since the Hunger Games to actually have Box office and NYT success.

>>92331854
Another quality argument from one of you retards.
Go stroke your tiny cock some more.

>>92323960
Honestly the Naruto franchise deserves this at this point.

>>92324330
Don't judge an industry on your myopic consumption habits within that industry.

>>92332050
XDDD

>>92331952
Since my argument was that YA dystopian novel readers weren't watching movies, I don't know why I'd look into box office successes in that genre. However, I looked into a few of the "big name" YA dystopian series (Divergent, The Maze Runner, etc.) and none seemed to have done enough to place on the NYT Bestsellers list.

Dystopian fiction in general is on the rise, but everyone seems to be headed for Orwell and Atwood, not...whoever writes YA dystopian fiction.

>>92332221
>retard indiefag thinks it's about industry (which everyone knows is shit) and not about him acting like a retarded self-aggrandizing cunt (which is what indiefags always do)
Jesus Christ, if you and the likes of you just suddenly got cancer, the world would be a much more intelligent place
>night
I know your minuscule brain is incapable of comprehending some things, but time zones exist. Try to wrap your head around that one instead of shitposting. The board would improve for a month or so.

>>92323960
I unironically believe that World Trigger would make a good live action TV show.

>>92332330
Kek. Dude the only self-aggrandizing cunt is you because someone doesn't want to read capeshit. Get a fucking grip you weirdo.

>>92332330
>which is what indiefags always do
The fucking insecurity. I can't get over it. I'm sorry I don't want to read 24/7 dude. Hopefully someday you can get over it and move on.

>>92332431
>>92332474
>no arguments, only braindead shitposting
As expected of indiefags.
Go chew on asbestos or something.

And the most idiotic post in the thread award goes to >>92332453
Congratulations on putting words in my mouth like a complete retard you are and showing lots of insecurities despite accusing others of being insecure. Keep proving my point further.

>>92324899
I wouldn't say 100%, he doesn't get into how fucked distribution is, which is an important factor. He talks about drawing people into comic shops, but doesn't seem to realize that comics could also be sold in more shops that people already go to. Also, he thinks New York pizza is the best.

>>92332592
>He thinks also New York pizza is the best.

Well he's right about that, reversing the topping order on a pizza is a travesty that even Satan wouldn't condone.

I liked the animated Hellboy movies more than the live action ones

>>92332796
The live action ones really aren't that great.

>>92332560
>Congratulations on putting words in my mouth
Pot meet kettle.

>>92323212
>normies don't read because they're stupid and would rather see a movie because they have the attention span of a gnat or aren't smart enough collectively to change the economy from a bullshit rat race that's destroying the planet so they don't have the time to invest in appreciating the medium that the character actually comes from
>success undefined or implied to be in terms of profitability which is a shallow and philistine worldview

no shit, man.

I hope they don't make Liz want to fuck hellboy like in the movie or Abe like in the animated movie

>>92332592
>doesn't seem to realize that comics could also be sold in more shops that people already go to
Eh, I mean most bookstores are dying. I'm not sure how helpful that would be at this point.

>>92332854
Comics are for people who don't read idiot.

>>92332560
>>no arguments, only braindead shitposting
And your arguments were....? I'll wait.

>>92323676
90% of the people I know that watched the movie, had no idea it was a comic first.

>>92332870
>>92332592
Comics should just do what music did and make every comic a dollar digitally. At such a low price most people would just buy it legally rather that torrent just because it's easier.

>>92332830
Just admit that you're trolling and fuck off. No one can be that dumb. Although you're an indiefag, so maybe I'm wrong.
>>92332888
Aww, baby needs a spoon? I already spelled it out so any retard could understand it and it's not my fault you're an absolutely moronic waste of flesh and a plague on human genes. If you ever find a woman dumb enough to breed with a drooling bellend like you, consider following Jim Jones.
>>92332851
You're using that phrase wrong, faggot.
Not surprised with your brain capacity.

>>92333057
Imagine being this angry because someone reads different comics that you. Fascinating.

What's your personal sacred cow /co/mic?
Something that you do not want to see tainted at all costs

>>92333573
I'd say Watchmen but that ship has sailed. So next up would be Usagi Yojimbo.

>>92324572
Bill Burr

>>92333573
Y: The Last Man

And they almost did it staring Shia LeBouf

>>92333573
Age of Reptiles.

>>92323897
>>92323865

Actually i have it on good authority that Dave Sims will stipulates that any use of his his intellectual property must be accompanied by a 60-page speech about the dangers of the feminine void and the homosexualist agenda. So it's in good hands.

>>92328362
His face is Japanese but his eyes and hair color are the stereotypical American colors.

>>92323927
>don't know how GitS did but I presume anime is next in their sights

You wanna know how bad GiTS did anon? Dragonball Evolution was arguably more profitable

>>92334932
damn. Serves them right.

Talking to you idiots is like talking to a wall.
>>92333130
>makes up shitty strawmen the entire thread
>complains about ad hominems
Lel
>death threat
Just off yourself and spare everyone your idiocy. I'm sure your relatives would feel better and you're probably only alive because they were too merciful to put your dumb ass down when you were born.
>>92333154
Imagine being so retarded, you have to make shit up because you can't comprehend the simplest sentences.