Moana

>>92308208
Cause Zootopia was better.

>>92308228
T. furfag

Well what can I say Anon, except...

Because Zootopia is the superior movie.

Moana was enjoyable, but it felt wayy too focus tested and risk-free. I barely remember the main characters. Even the main song sounds exactly the same as the songs from Frozen.

Zootopia at least had something a little edgy to say and had a story that we haven't really seen before in an animated film.

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>>92308227
I will never not be mad. Kubo got shafted

>>92308251
Zootopia was the same generic "Just bee urself, you can be anything!" message we've seen a thousand times, complete with a famous pop idol singing a generic pop song at the end

The "twist" about the assistant mayor was foreseeable from a mile away

>>92308286
That's literally the same message Moana had

>>92308296
Yeah, so saying that Zootopia was superior because it "had something a little edgy to say and had a story that we haven't seen before" is blatantly false

>>92308227
Madoka 3 fucking deserved that oscar

>>92308227

They didn't specifically name anybody but Voter 1 was apparently some guy who got into the Academy by having a few mid-sized to big roles in the '70s and then pretty much nothing from there on out.

So he's not just a Father of the Year candidate but a bitter has-been who clings to his Academy vote because that's the only way he stays relevant in the industry.

Zootopia was way better than Moana (even though l enjoyed the two movies)

>>92308310
Yes, "just b urself" was Zootopia's ultimate message, but did you not notice the very thinly-veiled racism metaphor as well? For a kid's movie to so blatantly tackle such a hot-button issue takes balls. Hell, it's literally set in animal New York, you can't get less subtle than that.

>>92308334
I wonder if anyone who knows enough about 70s films would be able to make a good guess as to his identity.

>>92308208
Zootopia was more PC. Racist animals are more challenging than a single race of people maintaining their traditions & cultural identity.

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>>92308208
because its a better movie

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>>92308522
"shiny" alone is better

Moana was bog-standard Disney Princess movie loaded with a bunch of Never-heard-of-em actors aside from The Rock. Without Johnson's charm it would have been completely forgettable.

>>92308544
The Crab was voiced by Jermaine from Flight of the Concords if you're aware of that show. Plus his song was great.

Other than that I agree though.

>>92308228
Not by any margin. Hack blockbuster writing. Beleaguered soapbox preaching. The only saving grace is the chemistry of the main duo.

Moana is a pure adventure and everything that happens feels organic. It's finally a return to form to the Aladdin days of 2D movies that were just about a hero and their journey.

>>92308585
Never heard of it. I guess the song made me sigh because he was trying to point attention to it, like going "see I'm doing this because it's a disney movie!"

>>92308364
The NOT AT ALL veiled racism was the main issue with the movie, its preachy as fuck tone was just one of its many attempts to cash in on pop culture. It was a cloying, fake as fuck, movie.

Probably because since they're animals they can assume they're all white

>>92308615
how boring would it have been if tamatoa just started talking about himself?

While it's true the Academy consists of a bunch of retards, Moana did honestly suck compared to Zootopia despite Zootopia being a boring and 'safe' Disney movie.

>>92308602
>Moana is a pure adventure
I'd argue it was TOO much "pure adventure." It's message was so generalised and harmless that it was barely even there.

Not that there's anything wrong with that, just that such a story won't go down in society and history as something notable.

Moana: young hero from a complacent culture goes out to save her people and learn about herself with the help of her spirit guide

Zootopia: small-town country police girl moves to metropolis and slowly discovers a political conspiracy with the help of her kind-hearted criminal friend

I can see which one critics would generally find more interesting.

>>92308208
A human relied on help from a demigod rather than being able to save their people by themselves. Can only root for the protagonist so far when they're literally saved from their own lack of experience at sea by semi-divine intervention and such.
Setting aside the 'tips fedora' posting, how do you tell an inspirational story about a supposed leader of their people when they literally had to be saved by a demigod and his magic hook.
Whereas Zootopia, the protagonist solves multiple missing persons cases, loses the respect of the person that helped them do it, realizes their mistake and earns back their trust, and solves a bigger conspiracy with just their own skills and work.
Then there's simply the technical aspects of how they created a multi-biome city that houses many mammals and such. Compared to a few islands in the ocean. You got rocks, some palm trees, a bit of coral for underwater bits, and a volcano monster.

>>92308654
Zootopia isn't going down in history as something notable either. It was the cheapest easiest "don't be racist" plot ever.

Moana was more concerned with making a good movie than a hackneyed point.

>>92308714
That may be true, but I've seen far more interest in Zootopia than Moana for the time they've been around. Neither movie has to be fantastic, just that people have decided that Zootopia is the more relevant and engaging story at this point in time, which is all that matters in getting an award.

>>92308208
Zootopia was social-political commentary.

Moana was just a solid adventure movie.

Moana was definitely better though.

>>92308228
This. Moana was fun but it felt sort of "empty"

>>92308544
Why do you need to recognize an actor for them to be good? If anything famous actors tend to phone it in because they'll get work regardless of how they do, while lesser known ones can be propelled to stardom by a top-notch performance.

>>92308707
You goddamn idiot, getting help from a spiritual power is one of the most standard tropes of the Hero's Journey. They act as metaphors for the protagonist's higher nature and sense of self.

Both of them were alright, but your name should have won.

>>92308800
It's more along the lines of plot holes or armor like when the sea was supposed to love her but nearly fucking drowned her.

>>92308676
It's obvious that critics only have any interest in animated films if it does something they perceive as "adult." They can't enjoy something "childish" because they didn't take C.S. Lewis' advice. They never put away their fear of childishness.

>>92308845
Perhaps, but that doesn't automatically mean Moana is the better story just because it has a simpler story. The story is in fact, rather bland IMO, and that's not because it's "designed for kids." Toy Story 3 has a simple story but it's execution is fucking brilliant.

What I really like about Moana is that none of the songs felt like they were detours that stalled the plot, which happens a fair bit in this kind of film. It was more like dialogue that they just happened to sing in a pleasant tone of voice.

>>92308867
I wouldn't even say that Moana is simpler or that Zootopia is more complex. The problem is that people see something that's "for children" and they automatically assume it's shallow. They don't give it the time of day because all they want to see is the surface. Which is ironic because they don't get it if it's not blatant as hell.

>>92308604
What the fuck are you on about? What kind of complaint is that? It's not like his song was overly, child friendly if that's what you're sighing for.

What about in terms of raw animation? Zootopia's fur animation was pretty impressive but Moana's sea and water animation was a damn good technological feat.

>>92308227
I like 7 who knows that you need to see all the nominees before making a judgement.

>>92308811
This.
Either Your Name. or The Red Turtle.

>>92308896
Dude, I love kids movies. I saw Moana in the cinemas because that's what I tend to do when a big animated film is released. Kids movies are often way more engaging and heartfelt than a lot of the trash released "for adults."

Moana is just a rather plain movie. It's not bad at all, but it doesn't much that makes it actually special. There's no truly powerful message, the sense of threat is only as big as it has to be, and the content (musical numbers, humour, etc.) are all very by-the-numbers and predictable.

Zootopia might not be a childhood masterpiece, but it at least had something very relevant to say, and it's setting was rather unique and well-executed. There was a sense of urgency. There was a sense of mystery and discovery.

Zootopia is simply a more engaging story, for the most part. As I said Moana isn't bad at all, but in three year's time we'll have the same story released by Disney, only this time set in Africa, or Canada, or the India, or somewhere else. It didn't bring anything to the table that we haven't at all seen before.

>>92308676
>small-town country police girl moves to metropolis and slowly discovers a political conspiracy with the help of her kind-hearted criminal friend
Holy shit its the reverse of Hot Fuzz

Friendly reminder Disney "Revival" era is over. Started with Bolt, ended with Moana.

What's next in the works? AT LEAST two sequels.
Let that sink in.

>>92308742
My point is I don't feel they should be rewarded for addressing something if they address it poorly.

>>92309088
Did they address it poorly though? They didn't whitewash the fear the or conflict that racism (or "specism") brings up

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>>92308227
The ones for this year are even funnier.
http://www.cartoonbrew.com/awards/academy-members-dont-care-animation-2017-edition-149087.html
>I saw Kubo [and the Two Strings] and don’t really remember it. I loved the music in Moana. I think The Red Turtle is very strong. I loved everything about My Life As a Zucchini — I was very taken with the idea of making a movie about a zucchini. But I voted for Zootopia because it has something important to say about the world. Basically, we all have to be nicer to each other.
>Voted: Zootopia

>I was very taken with the idea of making a movie about a zucchini

>>92308537
>muh songs

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>>92308208
Zootopia isn`t that much better but at least the bunny has more personality than Moana who is completely forgettable.

ITT: contrarians.

Oscars are a joke when it comes.to animation, but Zootopia got an Annie (multiple ones) as well. It was better recieved by critics and audiences. And the "preachy and cookie cutter" message morons claim it had was a story about how EVERYONE, even the discriminated main hero who has to prove the world is wrong and racist about her, can be also in the wrong. Name two other movies with a discrimination theme which aren't one sided, with one side being completly wrong and the second completly right. But the villain was totally wrong you say? The villain wasn't the point of the conflict, merely a cause of it. Removing the bad guy did not stop the problems of prejudice, it only put new light on that problem and made others see it.

But apparently some people lack the analytic skills grade schoolers should possess and just go "durrr Gisnep bad, morals are preachy, talking animals = furries". Must be the famous American lead paint ("lets still use it everywhere decades after everyone else banned it for being toxic"), still present in most of American homes, doing it's job.

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>>92309113
>Plus I have a fetish for turtles — I’ve just written a project about a turtle.

4chan and the rest of the world may not be so different after all

>>92308208
>I can just imagine the snobs at the Academy. "Ugh, no way am I wasting my Christmas holiday on a (scoffs) CHILDREN'S movie.
its the exact opposite
the academy is specified in live action acting, not animation. they don't know the ins and outs of the animation industry or production, they don't even really care for it. in the end they just vote for whatever their kids dragged them to see, thats why disney movies always win, especially against an artsy animated film. look up dinsey's win ratio for best animation, its ridiculous.

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Because it was boring.
Most of it was just endless ocean. The movie had ONE villain and he was defeated halfway through the film with no real fight involved. Why even give him a song.

There was just nothing to it. Nothing new or interesting whatsoever. The plot hook mentioned by Tamatoa about Maui's abandonment and WHY he was so focused on being a hero was completely dropped immediately after it was brought up. Maui didn't learn a lesson about seeking his own happiness, or gain any closure whatsoever. He was the exact same character at the end as when he started, except not conceited towards Moana.

And Moana, she similarly has ZERO character development. Even before she leaves the island she knows what she wants to do, who she wants to be, and she sets off and accomplishes precisely that. Not like for example Mulan, who set out spare her elderly father another war, then became personally invested in being as good as any man, and finally accepted being herself, a woman AND a warrior.

There was NOTHING like that in Moana, NOTHING. And there's no point in even mentioning the lack of romance, which is usually a Disney stable when it comes to princesses. But with a cast of Moana, a chicken and Maui and the chicken being mentally retarded it stands to reason she couldn't really have one.

All in all, a dull and slightly below average movie that didn't deserve any awards for anything, except MAYBE some of the designs.

>>92308208
>Why again did this beautiful film lose the Oscar to Zootopia?
Does not moans enough.

>>92308228

3pbp

B movies are such mess during production.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3pF9owYlRI

But it pays off in the end.

>>92309345
correction: 2nd post

>>92308208
For the smiling clown known as the rock.

Looking back on it, I enjoyed Moana more than Zootopia. While Moana was cliched and much of the story rather perfunctory in its execution, it was easily the best Disney musical in years (in contrast to say, Frozen and Tangled, which often felt less like musicals than movies with musical segments due to having no songs after a certain point. This was in contrast to Moana, which harkens back to classic Disney by ending by a musical reprise and music playing a part in the protagonist's self-actualization and the movie's climax). Is it an instant classic? No. But it actually entertained me and the songs stuck with me.

Meanwhile, Zootopia had an interesting world and themes, but it's not all that rewatchable beyond that. The story is extremely cliched to the point that a savvy viewer can not only predict story beats, but individual lines. The characters themselves are nothing special, and honestly, the trend of putting a pop song in Disney films probably isn't going to allow Zootopia to age as well as it could have otherwise (as its themes alone would have done the job of keeping it resonant over time). It's a decent but forgettable movie that is redeemed by its, again, interesting themes and exploration of them, as well as the fictional world it creates.

>>92309887
You mean future POTUS Dwayne Johnson.

>>92309912
difference was Frozen was shit, while Tangled is not

>>92309973
but I have to agree

Moana > Zootopia

also fuck furrists

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http://vocaroo.com/i/s1TWwVjvwp7P
Thank me later.

>>92308800
There's a difference between getting help from a spiritual power, and having around half of the conflicts solved by a literal demigod travelling alongside the mortal hero.

Imagine Star Wars if Luke had Yoda tagging along with him and then fighting battles with/for him.

>>92308896
The hilarious thing about this is that on first glance, anthropomorphic animals are more "for children" than a chunky, brown heroine.

>>92309079
When is loli giant the movie coming out?

I just watched Moana the other day and Zootopia is easily the better movie. Moana isn't a bad movie by any means, it's just sort of there.

Moana doesn't feel memorable that's why. the plot is so slow they wast a quarter of the movie showing you Moana's irelevant childhood. Then the coconut attack is shoved in the plot for no real reason since we never heard of them before nor after the whole thing.
That final villain battle could have been more than "yell and throw lava", and very end is literally a Deus ex.
While I'm happy they avoided "the magic tear", there was also no big emotional sad moment to raise the stakes anywhere.

>>92308228
>>92308208

Zootopia was better and did better at the box office.

>>92309079
The Disney Revival actually started with Meet the Robinsons and is still going strong to this very day.

>>92310397
Supposedly in 2020. Disney keeps pushing it further and further down the road.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigantic_(2020_film)

>>92310493
Hopefully, the delay is for the rotoscoped CGI style that Paperman was also made in, but in full color this time.

>>92308208
Neither of them are Oscar worthy.

Moana had some cool things going for it like graphix and water and the Rock singing and calling Belle a bitch. So did Zootopia.

But it's Disney, high production value is a given, it's the writing that's gotten stale. especially the songs. And every time you think to yourself "hey, that's kind of deep" it decides kids are getting bored and does something silly, or adds an annoying sidekick.

I am not saying "muh adult cartoons for adults such as myself", I am just saying that it's Hunchback of Notre Dame problem, who da fuck thought making those gargoyles real would help?

Yes, I am still mad it wasn't Paranorman

>>92309982
Zootopia>Moana, and I don't need to be a foxfucker to know that. Moana was just sorta straightforward, an enjoyable little movie but overall had very little impact because it was your standard "go to three points, finish the final boss at the fourth." and I remembered nothing striking about it but the two-three songs (arguably better than Frozen by a small degree). Zootopia was a bit closer to home with its themes, topics like expectations vs reality, hard work doesn't mean good recognition, and of course the specism bit. What really sold me was the dynamic between the two protags in Zootopia compared to Moana's. Both movies had two characters who were complete opposites and had that final conflict which turned the other away, but the thing is, Hopps was the one who initiated the conflict and that conflict actually affected her and to a degree, the city itself while Moana just lost her muscle for a while and got him back in less than 10 minutes and one song.


They had some similar themes and routes but I definitely am more fond of Zootopia, especially after watching the documentary.

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>>92310664

>foxfucker.

i knew furry fandom was gay but to such extent?

>>92308208
SJWs. zootopia was basically "don't be racist!"

same reason get out "lost" to la la land. la la land won but they changed it literally right after announcing it because they knew tumblrinas would go "but!! that movie is all white people!! RACISTS!!!" so they said get out won because it's literally a "fuck white people" movie which the "totally not racist" left loves these days. it's all political propaganda bullshit. never take the oscars seriously.

>>92309113
>I know a girl who only has sex with animators — she works over at Disney
I love how he just drops this fact for no reason.

Virtue signaling fascism means that if you didn't vote for the anti racism movie you were, in fact, a Nazi and deserve immediate death.

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>>92311788
>get out "lost" to la la land
Do all black movies look the same to you?

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Fellas, fellas! Come on, now! They're BOTH so good!

>>92311788
>Get Out lost to La La Land

What? Get out came out this year. I think you mean Moonlight

>>92311788
>zootopia was basically "don't be racist!"

Zootopia was a pro cop movie about politicians stirring up race riots. It's an Anti-BLM movie

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I never got all the love for Zootopia. I watched in on Netflix recently and it was alright.I don't remember really anything much from it except that garbage song at the end, which is pretty ironic. It gets way to much praise for the pro diversity/ anti-racist message.
Moana is a straightforward yet well told and absolutely gorgeous film. The main characters are well flawed and the songs overall were pretty great.

Oscar nominators would rather award a movie saying racism is bad than a movie about actual brown people.

>>92312315

funny, it was going to be pro-BLM movie.

>>92308208

>Giving a shit about an industry award

Who got the auto glass repair best new operations award this year?

The academy are suckers for plots invoking racism, sexism, transsexism, and straight white males being the root of all evil. Of course they'd pick the movie about racism being bad. It's an easy way to virtue signal after #oscarssowhite.

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this year's oscar winner.

>>92312566
This man. It was so obvious furshit would win just from the pro diversity message alone

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>>92312338
worldbuilding, and shitton of characters you can make porn of.

>>92312642
as if I'm a fucking degenerate

>>92312642
Fuck off furry

>>92308208
>the snobs at the Academy
hahahahaha

If they were really snobs, they would have nominated the red turtle without watching it.

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Delicious brown > Rabbit

>>92309235
Thank god there was no romance, because Maui isn't exactly prince-like, hes kinda, you know FUGLY

>>92309235
>Movie had one villain
>Moana had zero character development
>Maui was the exact same character at the end as when he started

This is bait right?

>>92308208
>tfw Moana could have been released now in 2018 instead of having to compete with Zootopia last year
The only competition this year could have been against Pixar's Coco

>>92313572

Not him, but that seems pretty spot on. Lavamonster Islanddeath wasn't a villain, Moana simply wavers back and forth between knowing what she wants to do and being unsure if she can do it, and Maui's big change was that he chose to help out a human being exactly like he did when shit got all fucked in the first place.

The film was dimly about doubting ones capabilities and overcoming, but we get multiple instances of doubts and resolution (e.g. Moana sailing and later her tossing the magic rock away) which just serve to dilute the theme.

The story structure held tight to every beat of the hero's journey and yet still managed to be meandering and repetitive.

Cute movie, couple good tracks, don't put it on a pedestal.

>>92312603

>Disney preaches about diversity while Europe can't handle Muslim plague

What a time to be alive.

>>92313608
Yeah no idea why Disney released their two best modern movies the same year. It's just gonna be a shitshow of sequels from now on with the occasional 'original' movie like Coco, which is basically Pixars answer to Book of Life but with none of the passion put into it

>>92314021

Maybe they thought that making $641.9m was better than baiting out an industry award that doesn't actually matter.

>>92308227
People who abstain are actually great.

>>92314021

Pixar is done, just let them merge completely.Why bother when all the talent goes to WDAS?

Two movies same year: Maybe they had deals with cinemas and there would be penalty for not finishing movie in time, I am not familiar with this industry so I might talk out of ass.

They could spare us all this depressing shit if they had time to clean up.

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>>92314189

>Pixar is done
>I am not familiar with this industry so I might talk out of ass.

>>92314273
I think he meant the quality of their movies, which has gone down the shitter since WALL-E. Just look at that list, mainly the movies that came out after WALL-E and the upcoming releases. Outside of Incredibles 2 it's just depressing

>>92314413

You're certainly welcome to your hot opinion, but his post is still nonsense. Pixar's not even relevant to the discussion that was being had, and they're still independently developing highly successful movies. Zootopia and Moana were both out of Burbank, and Pixar still made a cool billion off Dory that same year.

So, since he doesn't like the movies Pixar's making, his recommendation is to shut down Emeryville and move everyone to Burbank to work on -- what?

Moana didn't even got into the Japanese Academy Awards, and it would it been destroyed by Shin Godzilla.

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>>92314763
>Japanese Academy awards

>>92314673

Of course it made a billion, it's a sequel to one of the most successful Pixar works, they banked on nostalgia and it paid off.

>>92310460

The fact they are making sequel after sequel and can't figure out Gigantic imply they are done trying, outside of Rescues Down Under Disney never did proper sequels to their animated movies.
Audience is familiar with Wreck it Ralph, and especially Frozen, this audience is old enough to have children they'll drag to see these upcoming movies.

Two birds with one stone. Easy Money.

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>>92314413
>Incredibles 2