Rewatching this to see if it's as bad as I remember

>>92240062
Everything goes down hill from there.

It is but it gets too lengthy after awhile

>>92240062
i am curious, is this the right board for this?

Are you me OP? i rewatched it 2 days ago with a chick i've been dating and it was a chore to watch, i wish there was an edit without the fucking Kyrpton bit and also a better coloring.
Overall a solid 5/10. Chick said she liked it but she's likes R1 so she's dumb.

>>92240062
I think you'll like it better upon re-watching.


There are some really good easter eggs, like Zod's ship being called Black-Zero in reference to The Man Who Destroyed Krypton issue (which is doubled down on when Zod basically says Superman is destroying krypton by rejecting him).

I like how the oil rig scene establishes Clark's character and powers. I do feel he could have actually spoke but I guess Snyder didn't want people to notice Henry Cavill cant act so early in the movie.

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>>92240145
>not liking the coloring in MoS


To each their own, but I loved it.

>>92240145
>R1
What's that? Rogue One? She has good taste.

>>92240175
He directed them to the platform, what more is he supposed to say? Remember, this is basically his "superboy" years before he really decides to be an icon and a hero.

>>92240198
Rogue One is awful. No one says anything that isn't directly related to the plot, a big sweeping speech, or a joke. There is 0 character development.

>>92240198
I'd rather have a good side story than a lot of fanservice and a big action scene in the end.

>>92240184
Snyder is os bad with colors, holy shit. He sure knows how to make something dull.

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Wish they had stuck a bit more close to the comic. Loved the visual direction.

>>92240202
Yup.

>>92240184
The movie would be a 6/10 for me if it didnt look like it had a grey filter on it for the entire time. Also the CG hasnt aged well, looks like Spider-Man 2 at parts.

>>92240202
Something that helps further establish his character to the audience.

In Iron Man the first thing we hear Stark say is a quip about how stuck up the Airmen escorting him are and then he transitions into flirting with the female airman. In Guardians we first hear Star Lord try to make his name a thing which establishes his humor and ego.

Man of Steel flaws in all is still way more watchable then BVS.

I could have lived with MoS if the sequel had built off it and developed Clark more as a character and his relationship with Lois and the Daily Planet folks.

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>"Was I supposed to just let em' die?"
>"Maybe. There's more at stake here."

I like this. Establishes Pa Kent as a very protective father but also a flawed character.

solid 7/10 flick
has some serious pacing issues and the Pa Kent death is as goofy as everyone jokes about.

>inb4 marvel drones REEEEEEEE IT SUCKS
sorry kiddo. I actually understand Cinema so your memes don't work here.

>>92240367
>I could have lived with MoS if the sequel had built off it and developed Clark more as a character and his relationship with Lois and the Daily Planet folks.
It almost did. I've said this before, but I love his plot in the movie, investigating Batman and his little speeches about doing the right thing and standing up for poor people. I did want more, but I liked what was there.

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Superman being petty or giving an evil doer his just desserts?

>>92240220
>awful

its not good but calm down. Not everything is "BEST FILM EVER" or "I WANT TO KILL EVERYONE IN THIS MOVIE REEEE"

>>92240446
>giving an evil doer his just desserts?
This one. And maybe a little bit petty.
I saw a lot of people getting mad about Clark destroying this poor little truck driver's "livelihood" and I think that's dumb. Superman can be petty, I don't have a problem with it as long as it's to assholes who deserve it.

>>92240435
I wish they'd had made another Sups solo film before introducing Batman.

Also why did they have bring in a completely lame version of Doomsday and kill Clark in the second film of the DCEU?

>>92240446
That's petty.
Say what you want, that's a man's lively hood and a lot of damage to things that aren't even his.

That soundtrack is amazing though

>>92240488
But he also did a significant amount of damage to the road. Come on, think about who has to pay for that. He could have easily not done that damage.

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Not a knock against the movie but I always felt this scene was a little rapey.

>>92240611
Their whole romance was pretty poor through out the film.

>>92240446
>>92240488
Its stupid as fuck because it wont change anything regarding his behavior.

It also makes no sense.

>>92240647

It's a romance based on danger and trust.

>>92240691
Its baddly written.

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I never liked the way ghost Jor El was handled. He felt too human(Kryptonian) and really cheapened the death of real Jor El

I think they should have made him more robotic or had him be incapable of responding to certain questions from other characters.

>>92240611
I got the opposite impression. She nods to him and gives him consent to go ahead. He's not forceful or anything.
Good callback to their very first meeting in comics.

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Love this scene. Reminds me that Snyder can actually be a good director when he isn't going full autism. I like the nod to early Superman comics where he could only "leap tall buildings in a single bound".

>>92240488
>a little bit petty
You do realize that the truck driver doesn't actually own the truck or the truckload, right?

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Yeah this is still weird.

>>92240849
Clark probably doesn't know this. This is likely the dumbest live action Superman so far.

>>92240989
Still don't understand why he didn't use super speed, worked on smallville

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Damn Amy Adams looks amazing in this movie. Too bad she's getting up there in age and it's showing.

>>92241088
>she's getting up there in age and it's showing.
Yeah, showing to be HOT.

>>92240488
>I don't have a problem with it as long as it's to assholes who deserve it.
The problem is that many feel that in this universe everyone is an asshole except maybe Lois.

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Very good scene. Plays out like an old school alien invasion movie.

>>92241050
He probably didn't know he had it.
This Clark is terrified to explore the extent of his powers and rather than test his limits he's been indoctrinated to hide and suppress from infancy..
Which is why it's kinda strange that he suddenly just knows how to fly with no issues.

>>92241246
I liked it that scene a lot 'til
"ITS ON OUR RSS FEED"
Like wtf.

>>92241187
It is even more stupid because this will change nothing about his attitude.

It was just a baddly written joke.

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>>92240062
This movie is just really BORING.

>>92240271
>>92240253
Idk where you are seeing gray desu, it looks very colorful to me. Just not over saturated. To each their own, but I love it. The shots look like really beautiful photography or oil paintings.

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I get what they were doing with this scene but it's not a good one scene. Why are the jocks so overly aggressive? In front of their victim's dad of all people?

>>92240309
But this isnt like the first time we've ever seen clark ever. His actions are to save people from a platform, no questions no hesitation, he just does it. That says a lot about his character. Remember, show, don't tell.

>>92241428

John wasn't there.

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Laying it on a bit too thick there Snyder.

>>92240497
I really liked BvS Doomsday personally. He was a direct result of Clark's AND Krypton's mistakes. Not just a result of how shitty Krypton's science sector was like in the comics.


But thats just me. What didnt you like? BTW I really appreciate your civility.

>>92241457
He was. He was watching too.

Not saying its a good movie, but its odd rewatching it after BvS and SS thinking "Huh, I thought THIS was the worst it could get". What MoS was really missing, was Clark Kent

>>92241428
Clark has to be bullied because he's an alien and thus feels like an outsider.

>>92240404
Thank you. I liked it too for the exact same reasons.

>>92241455
Says that he is robotic and autistic.

>>92240501
He isnt going to lose his job. Worst case his company claims Act of God insurance and he gets paid leave.

>>92241523

Robotic and autistic for abandoning his job and quiet life to help others without a second thought?

>>92240802
He should have been more hologram-like, perhaps the occasional glitch or just a giant head.

>>92241513
Cheap trick to make him look like a woobie.

Even when he could easily solve this just bu acting like a non autistic person.

>>92240675
IDK, ive had some pretty karmatic moments cause me to self-reflect. But I think it was mostly just clark being a little petty, which is fine because he isnt actually Superman yet. Like if this is the most petty thing he ever does then he still less petty than a lot of comics interpretations of Superman.

>>92240497
>Also why did they have bring in a completely lame version of Doomsday and kill Clark in the second film of the DCEU?
All Doomsdays are lame, no avoiding it. I actually prefer that they get it out of the way now instead of us having to deal with that whole "OH NO SUPERMAN IS DEAD" shit down the line. Doing it in the second movie, we all know he'll be back, of course. And I think using Doomsday to cement the world's love for Superman is kind of cool.

>>92241491
Not that anon but I think DCEU Doomsday is a waste on two fronts.
First, Doomsday works best in a fuller universe with a bunch of superheroes for him to tear a path of destruction through. That makes it more special when Superman takes him out and cements Clark as the pimp daddy of the cape crowd.

Second is that it really distracts and dilutes from the ideological conflict and fight between him and Batman.

>>92240993
>>92240849
I think he does know that, which is why he does it. Because he knows the truck driver will still have a job and everything. He just has this little moment of karma.


It isnt perfect, but its not an awful thing.

>>92241555
No, for doing it with less emotion and characterization than the robot from Rogue One.

Or less charisma than most comic counterparts.

>>92241187
I cant really think of aynone other than Lex, Zod, or Bruce that are straight up assholes.

>>92241577
>Cheap trick to make him look like a woobie.
Are you unfamiliar with this director/writer/universe?

>>92240761
Its well written.

>>92241609
It's awful.

The fact that the reaction from people to this joke was not even close to what the writter intended shows it.

>>92240834
Good point.

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Was there a reason why Zod specifically asked for Lois.

>>92241637
I figured as much and that's your opinion. It's not one I share, and I know I'm not alone in that.

>>92241672

She was outed as knowing an alien.

>>92241250
I dont think he was taught to suppress it, just be very careful about where he practices it. I think thats a big reason why he is out in the wilderness as a young adult. He is far away from civilization where he can use his powers without many people noticing.

>>92241556
That would have worked.

>>92241687
It's not lie Clark talks with any other people. Jimmy Olsen would have been perfect for that.

>>92241577
>>92241513
>>92241428
The point is that the bullies arent afraid to do it in front of his dad, they are assholes. They dont care. And the other point is that Clark couldnt just stop if he wanted too, he was scared to use his powers and hurt them accidentally.


I really liked the scene, it showed Clark learning self control in a very scary situation.

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I remember this was the exact point where the movie lost me the first time I watched this. What was the point of this simulation? Feels like Snyder was afraid the audience would get bored if there was one more talking scene.

I dont hate it so much now but I still think it's pointless. I think they could have got Zod's exposition across without the CG fest.

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>>92241463
Eh, its just one shot desu. Its not like he is the first person to compare Superman to religious figures

Lois isnt nearly bitchy enough in this universe

>>92241792
You should know that writing an all powerful character who causes his own problems and them feel sorry for himself but never do anything to change it is prime bad writing.

They TEACH you to not do this, because it removes sympathi for the character.

>>92241832
But the entire movie is a Christian reference? With him being 33 to begin with.

>>92241810
>What was the point of this simulation?
To establish Zod as evil.

>>92241610
He really isn't robotic at all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCPwBcl_dY0


And he isn't even Superman yet. Have you never read something like Secret Origin that shows him saving people, pre-Superman, and not doing the whole "Yadada, I'm Superman!" shtick? He is growing man, not everyone needs to be quipster charisma man right away.

>>92241792
Max Landis did it much, muuuuch better in American Alien.

>>92241914
But we already established that. Multiple times actually.

>>92241810
I was kind of disappointed that there was no mention of red sun energy on the ship, just "we replicate Krypton's atmosphere". Moreover, why did none of the Kryptonians express any desire to keep their enhanced abilities? I know its not technically the Kryptonian way, but didnt Zod fight against the old ways from the start?

>>92241863
How does he cause his own problems as a child?

>>92241919
>He is growing man,

He is 33.

With no friends, girlfriend and no steady job.

>>92241942
Yeah but now he's evil in relation to earth.

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Laying it on too thick again Snyder. This time it didn't even make sense.

>>92241604
I dont think it distracts from the conflict. If anything, it is the conclusion to their fears of each other becoming judge, jury, and executioner. Superman doing that in MoS ends up creating a monster worse than Zod. In the same way that if Batman had continued down his path, he would have helped turned Superman into a monster (as seen in the Knightmare future/dream sequence).
And honestly I think Doomsday works fine as just taking down Superman. The whole fight in the comics where he hurts, but doesnt kill, the other heroes felt kind of weak and filler to me.


But to each their own.

>>92241944

Zod's like a muslin terrorist who wanted to overthrow the pathetic leaders because they weren't hardcore enough.

>>92241661
What do you mean? People laughed at it when I saw it in theaters.

>>92241736
>>92241687

He talks to lots of other people and none of these people are assholes.

>>92241687
oh yeah the waitress in the bar was such an asshole. And the general that trusted Superman and agreed to leave him alone? Such an asshole. And Perry who got mad that Clark wasnt doing his job but didnt fire him and even entertained the idea of the batman piece? Such an asshole! The senator who tried to give Superman a forum to talk to the world? Straight up asshole. Martha and Pa Kent, who only ever wanted their son to be happy do what he though though was right? Such assholes. The citizens in gotham that complain about Batman? Complete and utter assholes.
Yeah man, this movie is just full of assholes left and right, not a single good action among them.

>>92241863
He doesn't cause any of his own problems. Reading Plato is no excuse for someone to bully you.

>>92242056
That's your opinion and you're welcome to it.
To me, it felt like the basic premise of the movie was that this was the humanity of say, X-men, and Clark was a mutant.

>>92241925
He really didn't. In fact Landis' Clark is incredibly irresponsible, getting drunk with his powers. And he backhanded Deathstroke without knowing who he was. If it had been anyone BUT the super-human deathstroke, that guy would have been dead. Clark basically killed someone in his drunkenness but got luck that that person just happened to be Superhuman.

>>92242020
But he respected Jor El because like him, he wanted certain traditions to change. It wasnt just about the leaders that led to their planets destruction. Furthermore, Zod's plan doesnt make any fucking sense considering hes basically going to ruin Earth too.
>"So we can struggle to adapt to this planets atmosphere?"
Zod, you fucking did that in a day. Yeah, the sensory overload is a fucking headache, but you can bench press a damn semi

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I like the Smallville fight in all it's action blockbuster glory. Cavill still cant act though.

>>92241810
The visual is to show that Superman is now feeling the weight of the death of krypton and the possible death of humanity on earth. Basically he just feels responsible for a lot of death, both imminent and in the past.

>>92242132
Pa Kent's entire character is centered around the idea that people are dumb panicky animals that will chimp out the second they learn Clark exists, then vivisect him for the lulz.

So either he's full of shit, or humanity is assholes.

>>92242193

Zod thought the Science Council was complacent fools that only cared about politics. He wanted to rule in their stead and his first order of business was to purge the inferior lines from the Codex.

That's extremist as fuck. He basically wanted to make "Krypton Great Again".

Pa Kent should have died from a heart attack

>>92240647
The characters in general are poorly written.

Lois' introduction by itself was a huge warning sign about how this film was going to handle its cast.

>>92241958
and? He is still growing and learning who he is. None of that has anything to do with anything. Also it is heavily implied he is friends with Lana and Pete, since they come to his funeral and Pete helps him up after his fight with the bullies.


Again you should read something like Secret Identity or Secret Origin which shows young clark very much as an outsider.

>>92242270
That still doesnt answer why terraforming Earth was a good idea. It just seems out of character that Zod would throw away a stronger Kryptonian race

>>92242199
>Cavill still cant act though.

Nah he's fine, just bad directing.

>>92241892
>>92241892
That was made up by Richard Donner. Its an homage to Donner, who intentionally made him very christ like (but again, he wasnt the first person to do this)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman_(1978_film)


>Many have noted the examples of apparent Christian symbolism. Donner, Tom Mankiewicz and Ilya Salkind have commented on the use of Christian references to discuss the themes of Superman. Mankiewicz deliberately fostered analogies with Jor-El (God) and Kal-El (Jesus).[21] Donner is somewhat skeptical of Mankiewicz' actions, joking "I got enough death threats because of that."

>Several concepts and items of imagery have been used in Biblical comparisons. Jor-El casts out General Zod from Krypton, a parallel to the casting out of Satan from Heaven.[5] The spacecraft that brings Kal-El to Earth is in the form of a star (Star of Bethlehem). Kal-El comes to Jonathan and Martha Kent, who are unable to have children. Martha Kent states, "All these years how we've prayed and prayed that the good Lord would see fit to give us a child," which was compared to the Virgin Mary.

>Just as little is known about Jesus during his middle years, Clark travels into the wilderness to find out who he is and what he has to do. Jor-El says, "Live as one of them, Kal-El, to discover where your strength and power are needed. But always hold in your heart the pride of your special heritage. They can be a great people, Kal-El, and they wish to be. They only lack the light to show the way. For this reason above all, their capacity for good, I have sent them you, my only son." The theme resembles the Biblical account of God sending his only son Jesus to Earth in hope for the good of mankind. More were seen when Donner was able to complete Superman II: The Richard Donner Cut, featuring the fall, resurrection and his battle with evil. Another vision was that of The Creation of Adam.[


If anything, Snyder's was less jesus like because we saw part of that missing time

>>92242242

>Pa Kent's entire character is centered around the idea that people are dumb panicky animals that will chimp out the second they learn Clark exists, then vivisect him for the lulz

That's false.

Pa Kent was a believer in Clark as... i don't know. Hero isn't a good word. Leader? Whatever. Either way Pa Kent believed that humanity's future depended on Clark. That the knowledge of his existence would change the world forever and that the weight would fall all on Clark to lead us unto the future. That's why he wanted to make sure that Clark would only shoulder that responsibility when he was 100% ready. He didn't want to jeopardize that glorious future.

He was a macro-kinda of guy, not a micro.

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>>92241999
That was a homage to Superman Returns though

>>92241958
He was like that in the Donner movies too. He literally had 0 friends and was trapped in his Fortress for most of his young adult life.


You are a pleb.

>>92242345

Because it would not be Krypton then. He wanted to bring Krypton as it was. The planet, it's people and so on.

>>92242321
>Secret Origin
Is that the Johns one where he plays football and has a bunch of friends and then actively sets himself apart rather than just naturally being an outsider?

>>92242158
Its not 100% one or the other, don't think in such extremes. The point of BvS and MoS is that the world is complex and people will have a whole array of reactions to Superman. Some really hate him, and they are going to be some of the loudest and angriest voices and are going to do some terrible things. Others love him. Some admire him. Some praise him.


Its no one thing.

>>92242178
The reason that Clark backhanded Deathstroke on that boat wasn't due to Clark getting overly drunk, but because just before their encounter Slade hit him with a neurotoxin that began to shut down his senses (in order to make him a far easier mark).
Everything that happens to Slade is his own damn fault, as prior to the neurotoxin kicking in Clark is fully lucid and using correct words.
Fucking speedreaders

>>92242379
>That's why he wanted to make sure that Clark would only shoulder that responsibility when he was 100% ready.
"When he's ready" is an ill defined and nebulous plot device that has no meaning beyond "when we've meandered as much as possible and exhausted this movie's runtime."

There is really nothing that makes Clark ready at 33 that he didn't have when he was 19.

>>92242242
He believes that SOME people, not all, are like that yes. And some people are. Not all people, just some.


So he wanted Clark to be ready, grown, and sure of himself before engaging with the world as a whole and having to deal with a whole world's worth of different reactions.

>>92242424
He plays football once and then hurts Pete as a result of it so he stops interacting with his fellow kids (like how Clark tries to interact with his fellow kids in MoS, but then after using his powers he tries to hide them and separates from them). His only real friend as a child is Lana and then the Legion of Superheroes. But thats not even the point i'm trying to make.


It shows him as an adult still being more or less that same outsider before joining The Planet.

>>92242345
He is a purist. "Not muh Krypton" - Zod

>>92240404
>Jon "Borderline-Sociopath" Kent

>>92242495
>ill defined and nebulous plot device
Its not a plot device at all.

"A plot device (or plot mechanism) is any technique in a narrative used to move the plot forward."

It is not that. It is a goal and wish a father has for his son. It is meant to be ill defined because only Clark will truly know when he is ready.


>There is really nothing that makes Clark ready at 33 that he didn't have when he was 19.


He had a whole 14 years of living among other humans and helping them. Did you not watch the movie?

>>92242596
>Jonathan "Unsure and conflicted, confused about what to do" Kent

>>92242414
>>92242567
He wanted a BETTER Krypton. First act Zod wanted to dismantle the government, and wanted Jor El to join him because both had the common belief that Kryptons ways were flawed. So going off that premise, why in the holy fuck does Zod want our planet EXACTLY THE FUCKING SAME. What benefit does terraforming Earth have? Its bascially aging the planet god knows how many generations. Sure, they're not harvesting the core like Krypton, but given Zods actions it almost feels like he would do the exact same thing and ruin this planet too. I mean I get it, hes a purist and was disgusted that Jor El birthed a natural child, but it feels like the film cant decide what Zod wants for Krypton. You cant have "I want a better Krypton" then start doing everything beat for beat that led to its destruction

>>92242495

What is even your point?

Jonathan sacrificing himself because he thought Clark wasn't mature enough to handle such responsibility and pressure is shown as a bad thing, because it ended up marking Clark negatively making him misunderstand his father's desires and believe that his sacrifice meant humanity would never accept him, which the movie later proves to be untrue when Superman does a leap of faith and the government end up trusting his aid.

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>>92242452
He was not fully lucid. The reason Clark goes down there to begin with is because he is drunk and the nerotoxin doesnt even effect him. Goddamn YOU are the speed reader. He isnt coherent at all.

>>92242545
>But thats not even the point i'm trying to make.
It's very relevant though.
Secret Origin has Clark actively choosing, by himself, to hide his powers, because a traumatic thing happened. Man of Steel has him told to by his father, despite nothing bad happening, on the promise that something bad might happen. The context is the complete opposite.

The Legion thing, as well, exists in that story so that Clark doesn't have to feel alone. Wheras MoS doesn't really have anything comparable.

That Clark is in that mild mannered loner persona as an adult in Secret Origin isn't the same, because we had the groundwork of his childhood where he wasn't. Essectially, we're shown that it's an 'act" rather than just who he is. Man of Steel doesn't do that, (at least not to that extent). With all due respect, it's not a very apt comparison.

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>>92242452
>>92241925
Its worse than I thought. Its not even an accident. He gets purposefully drunk and then FLICKS Deathstroke away. What an asshole.


Again, he had no idea Deathstroke was Superhuman.

>>92242413
>pleb

Why?

>>92242619
>He had a whole 14 years of living among other humans and helping them.
Yeah, more time passed. So he could mature and end up doing the exact same thing he did at age 11. When he wasn't ready. But now he is. Because?

>>92242652

Better Krypton meant his ways. There's a reason why Jor-El told him to fuck off.

>>92242652
You realize that the government is not the same as the environment right? He probably realizes have a society of superhumans would be a mess and hard to govern.


>but given Zods actions it almost feels like he would do the exact same thing and ruin this planet too.

What makes you think that? Zod was so so against it, I think he would probably make the majority of drilling illegal.
>You cant have "I want a better Krypton" then start doing everything beat for beat that led to its destruction

How did he do any of that? I'm genuinely curious. He didnt have a problem with the birthing matrix, just the bureaucracy.

>>92242669
Not that anon but if Clark is able to get drunk why are we assuming he's strong enough that he would've killed someone?

>>92242685

>The Legion thing, as well, exists in that story so that Clark doesn't have to feel alone. Wheras MoS doesn't really have anything comparable.

Doesn't have to feel alone among normies. That's a important part. The Leagion of Super-Heroes represent teens with powers such as Clark that Clark can be himself with. Not normes with no powers that Clark has nothing in common with.

>>92242658
I dont think it shows it as an entirely bad thing. It shows it as an over-reactive/protective thing, but it also demonstrates to clark that even the smallest life is worth saving.

>>92242775
Also assuming that he is able to get drunk, but that a neurotoxin will not affect him at all.

>>92242727
But he didnt do the exact same things at 11.


Also, on top of all the experience among humans, he discovered his origins too.

>>92242669
The first panel is the point where said neurotoxin is effecting him, read the prior page where he has a dialogue with Barbara Anne about not wanting to stay in Kansas in which he is fully lucid.
Try to not take single pages out of context you mouthbreather

>>92242727

Clark still isn't ready, because he placed in his mind that others won't accept him as a way to deal with his father's death.

>>92242811
>>92242775
well look at the comic. We arent assuming anything. We flat out see that the neurotoxin doesnt effect him. He is still just as drunk before iit as he is after it. And we arent assuming it would kill someone, we SEE the power with which he flicks him. It is more than enough to kill or seriously injure a normal human.

>>92242696
Are you literally retarded?

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Props to this actress. She really sold being scared and frightened.

>>92242840
>>92242828
You are retarded.

No surprise you like the poor portrail on MOS.

>>92242685
> Man of Steel has him told to by his father, despite nothing bad happening, on the promise that something bad might happen.

The Donner movies and Smallville have this too. Also Secret Origin DOES have it be in part a decision made by his parents, hence that they force him to wear the glasses. Did you even read the comic?


> because we had the groundwork of his childhood where he wasn't.

Not really. Even with the Legion as friends he is basically a loner. We even see him actively alienate Lana.

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>>92242669
Anon, he literally felt "drunk" because of the neurotoxin being in his glass.

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Good scene.

>>92242762
Im not so sure about controlling the superhumans, everyone is on the same playing field, and Zod had complete loyalty over his crew. If you're referring to the newborns, I kind of doubt they would start shit either considering Kryptonians get programmed/assigned purposes from the get go. What Im starting to gather about Zods character is that he was sick of the debates, yet offered no solutions himself. I just felt tossing away the abilities seemed out of character

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>>92242379
>"a macro kinda guy not micro"

The nigga is a farmer from Kansas, you pretentious shitmuffin

>>92242791

Yeah, but Jon's death did mark Clark negatively in a way. Because of Jon's death he almost, kinda blame humanity in a way. That if he could had been himself he'd have saved his father, but because of others he couldn't and his father died. That's why he will never be able to be himself.

Of course that's wrong. Jon never said that, never wanted that, but that's what Clark placed in his head. Eventually through Lois and the priest he comes to realize that he has to jump first and just trust people, which is rewarded with the military trusting him back and both working together to stop the invasion.

>>92242873
>Deflecting this hard
I hate Man of Steel anon, you're just mentally deficient

>>92242873
>>92242828
so are you arguing that Superman didnt decided to get drunk on a party boat and that somehow its Slade's fault for Superman flicking him to the point where he would have killed a normal human? They dont just forgive someone if they do something while intoxicated.

>>92242908
Why and how do you already have all of these gifs in hand?

Snyder just needs a fucking writer.
And improve his directing skills
Back me up nigas.

>>92242846
so are you saying he didn't decide to flick Deathstroke away with his super strength?

>>92242923
??? And? He's a Kansas farmer with a super-powerful ALIEN SON. At that point it's kind of necessary to think MACRO.

>>92242938
>deflecting

I redirection ed you to the answer.

>>92242951
Clark wasn't drunk, he was poisoned.

>>92242899
Okay I concede that it was the neurotoxin, but he he still decides to use his super strength on someone he had no idea was a superhuman.

>>92242899
>is in control enough to dodge blades
>but no it wasnt his own decision to flick Slade, that was Slade's fault

wat.

>>92242960
You can just google most of them.

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>"Krypton had it's chance!"

Who was in the wrong here?

>>92242909
Well he wasnt built to have solutions, thats the tragedy of it. He was able to escape his programming enough to see that the system was flawed, but not enough to truly change who he was at the core (a soldier for the glory of Krypton).

>>92242997
Makes a way more interesting conflict and entertaining payment than trashing the truck of a random guy that will never connect the dots.

>>92242961

Snyder didn't write MoS or BvS, or even JL. He's an idea kind of guy.

One of Snyder's biggest contribution in MoS according to himself was an entire unnecessary action sequence that had to be cut which had one of Jor-El's robot turning giant and killing Zod's followers.

>>92242923
not an argument

>>92242937
Oh yeah, I agree totally. I just think people miss the lesson Pa teaches in saving the dog.

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Yep weird place for a kiss. What a sociopathic couple.

>>92242995
He still went on the boat to get drunk. But even if he was poisoned he was in control enough to dodge blades. He shouldnt have flicked Deathstroke. It was an asshole move.

>>92242997
Because he's "drunk" which means that his judgment was impaired.

>>92243011
He dodged all of one swipe (of a visible three), one of the others he deflected with his elbow, and the other one he took on with so much force that it completely fucked up Slade's blade.

Besides, he ruined Broosh Wayne shirt. That shit just will not fly.

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>>92241592

Okay, let me spell it out for you, friendo.
Because Superman gets killed by Doomsday in his second movie, the way he did, all suspense and payoff is ruined.
Consider: Superman, while fighting DOOMSDAY, while being affected by the kryptonite radiation, was stabbed through the chest BY Doomsday.
After surviving a nuke by sheer happenstance.
And now, he's going to come back from that.
Any sense of loss or triumph is ruined. No JL at his funeral. No "longtime familiar hero fights his potential last battle".
And furthermore- it ruins all suspense.
Like, okay, sure, maybe Steppenwolf or Darkseid are going to be a problem for Superman-
But he survived getting impaled through the chest by Doomsday while affected by kryptonite.
Now who's he going to fight? /Toyman/?

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I like the reveal that Zod was bred to be a warrior class Kryptonian.

>>92243035
Krypton being a civilization of idiot dum-dums who screwed themselves over is not something introduced by Man of Steel. Clark was in the right.
And correct me if I'm wrong but he didn't actually kill and "babies" in this scene? People are always like "OMG SUPERMAN KILLED ALL THE BABY KRYPTONIANS!!" but from what I can tell the genesis chambers were empty, and the ship had been abandoned and deactivated for thousands of years anyways.

>>92243087
>It was an asshole move.
Nigga literally went to the place to kill Bruce Wayne and them attacked him.

>>92242971
>non-lucid young man makes rash decisions

>>92243051
Well fuck me then.
A reboot will just drain the left "hype" of the fans, can we blame someone that isn't Snyder?
I lilked the action scenes tho.

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>>92243038
No it doesnt. How is it interesting? How is there any conflict other than "oh man Deathstroke got the wrong guy and that guy had super powers!" If anything its more of an asshole move because Clark decides to flick a guy that would have died if he wasnt superhuman. In MoS he just destroys a truck, and Superman destroys vehicles all the time. I value human life over a vehicle anon.

>>92243095

Since when did Toyman ever managed to hurt Superman without involving the kryptonite?

And why are you so hung up on the entire JL being on Superman's funeral?

Snyder believe that Superman is the strongest hero ever and that with him around there's no reason for the formation of the Justice League. Justice League in this universe is pretty much the Legion of Super-Heroes, bunch of heroes following his footsteps because they want to honor his legacy.

>>92243087
>He still went on the boat to get drunk.
Geez, why Clark is acting like a normal person?? He should be autistic and never talk, like Goyer's!

And I don't think that he can even get drunk on this comic. This is part of the reason for the neurotoxin gag.

>>92243101
You are correct. They had to be empty because Superman was the birthing matrix.

>>92243122
so? He is super powered he didn't have to do something that would have killed him had Clark not gotten lucky.

>>92243136

Goyer and Terio.

>>92243095
You don't need to be condescending dude. There was never ever going to be a sense of suspense for Superman's life. EVER. That's not really a concern when it comes to SUPERMAN. There would still not be even if they had Doomsday kill him when the DCEU had 15 movies under its belt because it's SUPERMAN. He comes back to life. That's what he does. Everyone knows that.

Shit dude, nobody is reading the comics biting their nails, scared that fucking Toyman is gonna kill Superman. We worry about how Superman is gonna stop Toyman from hurting other people.

The entire movie was fucking good.


Everything about it

Logan
WinterSoldier
Man of Steel
Captain America
Spiderman 2

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I still think Superman vs.Zod is one of the best capeshit fight scenes.

>>92243087
He crash landed nearby to the boat which let him on because they thought it was Bruce Wayne creatively entering his own Birthday party, and then decides to pretend to be Bruce (as he never shows to these things) on Barbara Ann's advice.
At no point does he get drunk or lose control, until Slade's neurotoxin hits him

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>>92243159
....Anon, do you have a problem understanding figurative language?

>>92243101
>>92243168

The ship was full of embryos actually.

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>>92243164
Clark doesnt drink generally. It was pretty out of character. In fact the Reeves movies specifically use drinking as a way of showing Superman going evil (implying its extremely out of character for him). He definitely didn't as a teenager. But its okay, I get it, you dont read many Superman comics.

>>92243093
>Because he's "drunk" which means that his judgment was impaired.

So? Thats not an excuse. He still did an asshole thing. If you kill someone while drunk you are still responsible.

>>92243128
see
>>92243253

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>>92243190
Let look it up so I can see how much damage have they done.
JL will change of writers or something? I'm scared to leave the cinema disapointed.

>>92243253
What if you kill someone after being hit by a lethal poison by the same person?

Good movie, fucking hated supes as a character before this. The way they depicted his speed and strength was what I had waited a long time for.

Moving so fast he's a blur, sonic booms from his punches, tanking massive hits with no damage.

As someone who was never a big DC fan I can just sit back and enjoy the spectical of Batman and Supes just wrecking shop without worrying about story too much.

Also that first flight scene is still the best in any superhero movie yet, it's like feeling your dick turn to diamonds.

>>92243277

Terio wrote JL.

>>92243099
Which is ruined when Jor-El punks his ass in a fist fight within the first ten minutes

>>92243154
How 'bout that time Superman allowed that oil truck blow up an entire parking garage?

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This is still stupid. Forced attempt at trying to elicit an emotional response from the audience at last second.

Also why a random family? Why not use the supporting characters you set up during the movie?

>>92243230
It was full of empty artificial sacks. There literally couldnt have been children in there because there was no birthing matrix to make them.

>>92243154
>How is it interesting?
It is fun.

>>92240488
>a little bit petty
"A little bit petty" doesn't involve hundreds of thousands of dollars of property damage.

>>92243227
Okay.

>>92240062
>establish Zod as a villain
>BTFO by Jor-El and the Kryptonian Government

His stupid haircut didn't help.

>>92243280
a "lethal" poison that doesnt actually do anything lethal to me but makes me tipsy/intoxicated? Then its manslaughter.

>>92243270
He wasn't drunk you bleeder
Deathstroke's neurotoxin was impairing his motor skills

>>92240135
No. This is a board for not muh, muhnchildren, people here doesn't know shit about movies, go to /tv/, shit taste in general, just like here, but no one will call cinematography pretentious /tv/ meme.

>>92243298

That was actually a cool scene, though.

It showed that Dru-Zod didn't believed that Jor-El was capable of fighting him, because they were friends and that went against Jor-El's programming.

It showed that Jor-El was preparing for that eventuality for the longest time and pushed his programming to fight for his family if needed.

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Did this sociopathic monster HAVE to throw a drone at those Airmen?

>>92243299
Really? This is what you want to argue about? Clark dodging a truck being thrown at him, destroying an empty parking garage, and then him actually regretting do so? In his first fight? OH no! How dare Superman be human and make a mistake during his first fight!

>>92243322
Now explain how its interesting without using the word fun.

>>92243253
If a person attacks you then regardless of being drunk it's still self defence, especially if they're trying to murder you

>>92243336
but Zod is always BTFO by Jor-El and Kryptonian govt. Do you not read comics?

>>92240062
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-Di0OpVX5M
>Implying this wasn't the best shade a cape villain ever threw

>>92243371

Trust, bro. I trusted in you, i through you trusted in me, and know you're stalking me with this shit trying to get some dickpics? What's up with that, bro? I thought we trusted each other, bro. How can i trust you after this, bro? Bro.

>>92243376
>first fight

Where am Smallville?
Where am Faora and Namek?
Where am anon's concern for human life?

>>92243341
Did you not see that the "drunk" was in quotes as in referring to the drunk feeling he got from the neurotoxin?

>>92243361
The problem is that Zod was bred to be a warrior and trained to be a warrior all his life. I realize that Jor-El went against his "programming" to fight and beat Zod, but it doesn't really make much sense why an egghead scientist suddenly learned to fight better than a bred warrior. If anything he should have used his brains to beat Zod.

>>92243371
Yes, they are invading his privacy. It's not like he hurt them.

>>92243420
I expect Superman to be more responsible and caring than that. Especially around someone he thinks is a normal human. Never, ever ever has it been okay for Superman to kill a normal human under any circumstances.

>>92243438
Thats all part of the same fight though.

>>92243453

Because Zod didn't expect his friend would do that. Zod was caught by surprise.

Jor-El also have been reading for this... for what? 9 months at least.

>>92243361
I don't think I'd mind it so much if it wasn't so goddamn one sided.
If it started one-sided to Jor-El due to Zod underestimating him, but Zod realises that his friend is prepared to kill him to protect his son so Zod turns up the heat and begins wailing on Jor-El then it'd be a far better scene honestly

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I like this movie. Good summer action blockbuster. I think we were all thrown off so much by it because it was very different from the usual capehshit movie. Definitely holds up better on rewatches.

I think if WB had sold this movie as the blockbuster it was instead of some think-flick that will revolutionize capeshit forever it would have been better received.

7.5/10

>>92243457
He didn't have to smash it into the road and tell them they couldn't control him and they never will.
That's generally not a good way to win people over.

>>92240488
The right thing to do would have been to make the troublemaker leave. It's a private establishment, the guy was being a disturbance and harassed the establishment's employees, there was literally no chance of him physically hurting anyone there unless Clark let him, and so on. There was no good reason to let him have his way.

>>92243509
now re-watch BvS and Skwad.

>>92243405
Why the aversion to humor? It is a legitimate reason.

It also gives more humanity for Clark, for example.

>>92240062
Do one for BvS.

>>92243554
Explain why it is interesting without using the word fun.

>>92243297
So Terio replaced Goyer to re-write the script of mos. Fuck, I just want a descent movie but I don't know who to blame Snyder's vision? or the writers re-writing it??
What feeling should I feel? Disapointment? Zero Hype? that's not even a feeling

>>92243468
Well, you know, anon...
He wasn't Superman yet.
He was still growing.
;)

>>92243468
The book isn't about Superman, it's about Clark Kent.
He only becomes Superman in the last issue, everything up to that point is growing pains and becoming an individual.
Plus I'd hardly quantify an assassin in a gaudy outfit trying to kill an innocent person as a "normal human"

>>92243515
You have to be firm with the government, anon, or they will take advantage of you.
Don't make excuses for them!

>>92243576
He is more responsible than that as a teenager/young adult in literally ever incarnation except Landis'.

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>>92243583
>the government
>with no kryptonite or red sun guns or anything
>taking advantage of Superman

My biggest problem with these movies is that we never get any insight into Clark's head. He saves people and all that but it's never really explored why. Is it because he truly is altruistic? How? The only childhood flashbacks we see are him struggling with his powers and keeping a low profile. Is it because Jor-El told him to? Is it because he read the comics and knew what he's supposed to do? This Clark is a man of few words, but his actions are also enigmatic since we see that he's for some reason conflicted about being Superman. The opening intro to BvS suggests that his role as Superman is somehow unfulfilling or even burdensome, but it's never explored.

The one thing I actually got excited for while watching BvS was his appearance at the trial. We were finally going to see Clark open his mouth and explain just what it is that he stands for. To explain what he believes in. But then they were all blown up and Clark rage-quits humanity. At that point I lost all interest in the movie.

>>92243569

Terrio replaced Goyer to write BvS. Terio then went on to write JL.

>>92242960
I like watching Superman orgasm.

>>92243627
Was he ever under the influence of a deadly neurotoxin designed to kill an entire human?

>>92243632
>only way to take advantage of someone is by force/weapons

my taxes say otherwise

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>>92241419
You are talking with someone that thinks only Saturday morning cartoons have good colors. Does anyone remember when mera's picture came out? Idiots here were arguing that it had filters... And refused to understand how sunset at Iceland, against the source of light would look.

>>92243632
Ttrying to track Superman with drones is taking advantage of him and his NON-hostility.

>>92243637
I'll never understand people like you that have to be told what someone is thinking. What questions do you have specifically about him that you feel like were unanswered?
>The opening intro to BvS suggests that his role as Superman is somehow unfulfilling or even burdensome, but it's never explored.

I doesnt really implying that all. If anything it implies its become a burden to Batman.
>The only childhood flashbacks we see are him struggling with his powers and keeping a low profile. Is it because Jor-El told him to?

Its because Pa Kent told him to and because he realizes that his powers could hurt people if used improperly.

>>92243663
Yes, plenty of times in Smallville. The only thing that managed to turn him into that much of an asshole was Red Kryptonite.

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Also this film gave us her.
10/10

>>92243755
Man that costume looks so good.

>>92243755
It also took her away never to be seen again.

>>92243541
No, fuck no. Those are legitimately bad movies.

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>>92243734
>It doesnt really implying that all. If anything it implies its become a burden to Batman.
Are you seriously implying that Superman is taking a sense of pride or happiness here?

>Its because Pa Kent told him to and because he realizes that his powers could hurt people if used improperly.
You misunderstood my point here, but that's on me because of the awkward phrasing. The movie clearly shows Pa Kent giving Clark a crippling complex about using his powers. The question "Is it because Jor-El told him to?" was related as to why Clark decided to become Superman. His adoption of the "Superman" mantle feels underdeveloped.

>>92243751
Nigga, are you really going to blame an alt version of Clark Kent for not being as physically strong as you're accustomed to?

>>92243637

Unh... it's pretty obvious what goes through Superman's mind in the two movies.

In MoS he was constantly told by his parent that the world would change forever once it learned he came from the stars and that being from the stars he had an enormous responsibility to find why he came here and for what. Clark, though, only wanted to be himself, but he couldn't, because he could blow his chance to find out his destiny. Him not being able to be himself cost him his father life and that experience made him resent people somewhat.

He eventually found out clues that could answer why he came to Earth, but that ended up exposing him. Thankfully, the cute chick that found about him decided to not expose him to the world. It didn't helped much, though, because his people came to Earth demanding the government to hand him. So he did a little soul searching and came to the conclusion that he just needed to let go of his resentment and trust blindly in others.

Eventually he finds out that his people are major asses and he came to Earth basically to escape them. That nothing from them would ever do him or Earth any good. It was up to him to put a stop to them, but he couldn't do it alone. That's when his trust before paid off. The people of Earth trusted him back and decided to help him put a stop to his people.

Then the people of Earth started to spy his shit. Not cool.

>>92243899
>Are you seriously implying that Superman is taking a sense of pride or happiness here?
Why should he? It's not being Superman that makes him uncomfortable and conflicted, it's the world's reaction to him and how they treat him.

>>92243895
BvS is great.

>>92243927
Nice fanfic

>>92243899
Well Pa Kent keeps telling him he has this great power and believes he will do good with it in the future. The one lesson he constantly imparts on him is to not approach the world until he is ready. Superman doesnt choose the name Superman. He just finally finds out who he really is (an El) and uses that as his public persona. Just like in the Donner movies, its Lois that gives him the Superman name.

you're all fucking idiots

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p5-14rjWUM

>>92243908
It has nothing to do with physical strength.

>>92243983

Are you for real?

>>92243983
Not an argument.

>>92243927
You outlined the plot, but barely dug into Superman's psyche. What drives him? What makes him want to be Superman? What are his goals? What does he stand for? These are barely touched upon in MoS, and they're hardly addressed in BvS since that movie is juggling so many other important plotlines.

>>92243927
Good post anon.

>>92244015
I'm not gunna watch your shitty youtube channel anon.

>>92244015
Oh god not this stupid shit again.

When will people learn that lengthy YouTube videos are the worst way to debate anything?

>>92243927
Is English not your first language? This is kind of difficult to read.

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>>92244018
Oh, excuse me.
Let me rectify this.
I meant "physically durable".

>>92240062
The only bad part was the middle which took a little too long. Solid 8.5 movie.

>>92244051
> What drives him?
At first, having all this power and not knowing who he really is (and a desire to help others). Then later, after finding out who he is, its his desire to help others (just like most versions of Superman).


>What makes him want to be Superman?
Lois makes him Superman (like in the Donner movies). He just does what he normally would do, which is save and help people.

>What are his goals?
To save people from bad things like Zod.


> What does he stand for?
Hope and saving people. There is a whole conversation about it.


>These are barely touched upon in MoS, and they're hardly addressed in BvS since that movie is juggling so many other important plotlines.

Nah they are pretty well addressed and touched upon. Like the entirety of BvS is about Batman (and Lex), just like you, unable to believe that Superman just wants to do good with no ulterior motive.

>>92244135
Nothing to do with that either. It has to do with judgement while intoxicated.

>>92244117
It was fine for me and I'm an English native speaker.

>>92240367
Good thing WB said "no Snyder, skip the sequel and go straight to Batman" instead of letting Batman have a cameo in MoS2 with a kryptonite delivery to his mansion.

>>92244176
It's honestly amazing to see anyone this obtuse.
If this Clark were on the level of the Superboy you're familiar with, the neurotoxin would never have even affected him, thanks to the ol' "invulnerability".

>>92240446
He was venting his frustrations in a way that was wrong, but also humorous. Snyder himself said that it was something Clark shouldn't have done. It's a good character moment that shows that Clark is still human.

>>92244248
thats not true, Smallville Superboy was plenty effected by that stuff he just never turned into an asshole until Red Kryptonite.

>>92244286
Thats a good way of looking at it.

>>92244288
What, would he just get all lethargic and stuff?

>>92240446
This was so stupid

>I've become a drifter and a lost cause because I've become convinced that my abilities and powers make me an outcast. My powers are dangerous and may change humanity forever. My father died cementing the lesson that I must never use them.

>Except to enact petty revenge against some random trucker at a bar.

>>92244322
I misremembered the episode, he doesnt get drugged but in fact gets drunk. Anyway, the worst thing he does is get married: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEer-0xGVJU


Anyway this is a pointless argument. I didnt like the scene and you did and thats fine. It really is fine.

>>92244434
>I've become a drifter and a lost cause because I've become convinced that my abilities and powers make me an outcast. My powers are dangerous and may change humanity forever. My father died cementing the lesson that I must never use them.

But thats not true at all. He doesnt think he is too dangerous, he just isnt ready yet. Pa Kent always just taught him that he needs to be wary, not that he will never do good. In fact both of the Kents constantly believe that Clark is inherently good and will do the right thing.

>>92244434
I dont think you understand why Clark was being a drifter. It wasnt because he didnt trust himself or his powers, but so he could have the experience to learn who he truly was and how to best use those powers.
And you are right the petty revenge was a bad thing. See
>>92244286

>>92244463
R-really?

>>92243899

Are you retarded? He's just uncomfortable with being seen and praised as a good when he's just trying to do the right thing

I was the only one of my friends to like it after seeing it opening night. I like it less than I did that night, but it is still easily the best DCEU movie though that isn't really saying much

>>92244512
>so he could have the experience to learn who he truly was and how to best use those powers.
It's been a long time since I've seen MoS, but when was this stated. My memory's hazy but I got the impression Clark just sort of became lost after his father's death.

>>92240062
Eh, it's alright. I'll rewatch it every now and again. Meloni was the best part, Zod was one dimensional but hammy and fun to watch, Pa Kent's death was stupid, the music was good, Cavill was boring, Meloni was great.

Did I mention Meloni was the best thing about the movie?

>>92240145
I think it would have been cool if it got brighter throughout the movie. Like before Superman, the world is grey and dour, but when he shows up he "literally" brightens the world. I thought that would have been cool .

>>92244619
Then why doesn't he ever open his mouth to these people and say it?

>>92244641
Its not outright stated but thats what I got from him saving the people from the oil rig and then saving Lois, and ultimately trying to find out where he came from. He was lost, but he was trying to find himself and how best to be who he is. If that makes any sense.

>>92244695

That'd be rude.

>>92244695

Because he probably doesn't speak spanish

>>92244695
Imagine how people would react if Christ came down and tried to tell people not to praise him and that he was just a normal dude with powers.

>>92244695
He was waiting for a good opportunity and when one presented itself the place got allahu akbar'd.

>>92244754
To be honest, that sounds like something Christ would do.

>>92240062
I remember thinking it was ok as a start because it was gonna go up from there.
I didn't know...

>>92244754
"Remember not to tell anybody I helped you here. Promise?"

>>92244672
But the movie isn't grey and that literally does happen in BvS.

>>92244786
yeah exactly, but how do you think people would react? They sure as hell wouldnt stop praising him.

>>92244837
So? They'd listen.

>>92244859
No they wouldnt. You're crazy if you think that.

>>92244859
>praise an all powerful messiah
>comes down to you, personally, and tells you to stop praising him while also showing off his all powerful powers


Nah, if anything I'd praise him harder and think it was a test or something.

>>92241999
Feels good. You never do that in the wind or while it's drizzling? Probably feels a lot better when he did it while literally getting his energy back. Also its kind of like laying down in the ocean or a body of water, except, you know, in space.

>>92244887
>Literally Christ comes to them and tells them to stop
>Christians who follow the bible and his ways, probably even more so once they realize he existed
>Not following what he says

Yeah, sure. And I'm the crazy one :^)

The depressing tale about Superman

Who thought that was a good idea? To make a depressing film about Superman.

>>92244966
I don't know, it was kinda uplifting in the end. He saved the world. But then again all those people died. Meloni died(?) too.

>>92244859
>>92244956
see
>>92244802

Sounds like someone never read the Bible.

>>92243942
It starts getting into "not muh" territory there. I personally wish Superman would have still been positive through all that negativity. A message that yes the world is a shithole filled with shitty people, but we (like Superman) should do our best to be beacons of positivity and hope despite the negativity of the world.

If they wanted to go the mopey burden route, they should have waited for a sequel like Spider-Man 2 which would end with Superman regaining confidence in himself and his own symbolism. Clark never felt like that in either movie, fuck, he barely felt like his own character especially in BvS.

If they wanna make a mopey Superman so be it, but the movie wasn't good enough to justify it. Zack Snyder tries to hard and I can tell what his intentions are with the choices he makes (Pa Kent's death for example), but the execution has been piss poor. Setting up "cool" shots or references means nothing when getting to that is fucking retarded

>>92244956
You realize he didnt write the bible right?

>>92245017
Nah, I only read the Moses and Noah stuff. More interesting than Jesus tbch familia. I'd rather follow them than heyzeus

>>92245047
You don't know that.

>>92245029

Superman's burden in BvS wasn't about the world being shitty and there being nothing he could do about it. It was about his actions, which were done in an attempt to help, was having the unintended consequences of doing the exact opposite: hurting people. That made him question if his presence and help was worth the trouble.

>>92245029
How is he being sad that people are praising him like a god inherently not positive? Like he still is doing good things and being a good person (which is positive), but he just has this really difficult, not black and white, problem to deal with of people believing he is a god.


You really want to oversimplify the problems presented in this movie.


>If they wanted to go the mopey burden route, they should have waited for a sequel like Spider-Man 2 which would end with Superman regaining confidence in himself and his own symbolism

But its completely different conflicts. Spider-Man has his two lives at odds, while Superman has a brief crisis of faith in what he stands for (due to believing his very presence caused a suicide bomber). He then basically meditates on it and gets over it and is renewed. Sounds like Superman to me. In fact that is like Superman 101.


He really isn't mopey at all except for when he has his crisis of faith moment before he goes to the mountain top.

>>92245131
Is that why he went insane?

>>92245092
>You don't know that

Yes we do. The books are all named after the people that wrote them.

>>92245151
He never went insane. Nice headcanon.

>>92245155
>"wrote"
>we
Sure, honey.

>>92245164
Then why did hallucinate his dad on the mountain? He was clearly losing it.

>>92245175
wat

>>92245131
>It was about his actions, which were done in an attempt to help, was having the unintended consequences of doing the exact opposite: hurting people

when did that happen other than the very opening which Superman himself never reflected on? I never once heard Clark reference the fight from MoS, most of his problems, all like 30 seconds of screen time, were devoted to people reacting to him or him maybe not wanting to see that bomb at the capital. He never seemed to worry about the collateral damage he caused, he never worried about his unintended consequences. When did that happen in the movie?

>>92245210
You don't act like you don't know ;^)

>>92245208
Nah, its a common Superman trope for him to have these mental meditations in the form of Pa Kent. In fact most superhero media does it. Spider-Man, Batman.


Heck, they even did it in smallville:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQ5C4sGh-SU

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>>92240062
Its too late for this thread, but I knew there was a reason why I saved this.

The really sad thing is after BvS and SS, MoS looks like a decent movie by comparison.

>>92245006
The hero saves the day, but at the cost of blowing a giant hole in metropolis.

Didn't see why it was necessary to go full apocalyptic in the first film.

>>92245139
>while Superman has a brief crisis of faith in what he stands for
I never really got that out of BvS. The bomb part specifically I remember him saying maybe he didn't want see the bomb because he was getting weary of being a hero

>>92245292
So you're saying most of them are insane then?

>>92245231

The movie showed that Superman was regarded as a hero by people after Metropolis. Only a few, those more affected by the destruction, held a grudge to him.

What weighted heavily on him were the things the media was blaming on him. Initially Superman tried to ignore it because he knew he wasn't culpable for what they blamed him for. But after the bombing everything that had happened: Metropolis, Nairobi, the media talks etc, started to weight on him. The blame wasn't entirely his, but people hated him nonetheless and his involvement was causing pain and death wherever he went.

>>92245231
>I never once heard Clark reference the fight from MoS

Because it was two years ago and he had other problems.


>when did that happen other than the very opening

What do you mean? He blames himself for Batman going crazy and the bomber at the capitol. He blames himself for Luthor turning crazy. He blames himself for the creation of Zod. All of those things were unintended consequences.
>He never seemed to worry about the collateral damage he caused

What do you mean? Even in his very first fight he looks back in horror when the oil tanked her dodges destroys an empty parking garage. Heck, he takes a moment out of the fight to ask soldiers if they are okay BECAUSE of the collateral damage from the fight.

>>92245345
Its just a personification of their inner conversation to make it more palatable for the audience. Are you saying you never asked yourself "what would my dad do in this situation?" or anything similar?

>>92245420
No, not really. I'd rather think about how I could tackle a situation on my own.

You know, like a normal person might.

>>92245329
He never said because he was being weary of being a hero, don't project. He said he was afraid he didn't want to see it. That was all he said. And it was because he didn't even think a person WOULD do that. He just had too much trust in humanity and he thought that the blind trust caused the loss of lives (which he blames himself for). Hence the crisis.
Id have a crisis of faith too if I thought my very presence caused a suicide bombing that i could have stopped if I was a big more paranoid/suspicious.

>>92245470
Its not normal to never ever consider how others might do things or what advice they might have for you. I think you might be a sociopath.

>>92245502
>what advice they might have for you
That's a different thing entirely, you silly goose.

>>92245295

Man, there's a lot of nit-picky stuff there, even from the comic lore, and a lot of these just go to show that the poster simple didn't paid attention to the movie.

>>92245543
No it really isnt, thats exactly what is happening when Clark goes to the mountain top. He imagines what his father might say to him.

>>92245612
Yeah, but he's crazy. Why are you comparing reality to a movie?

Why listen to your own inner thoughts of someone who might even something entirely different to what you're imagining them saying? I'd rather listen to the person in reality what they have to say. Why would I think about what they might say when they could possibly say something entirely different?

It's silly.

>>92245231

Jonathan Kent's entire part in the movie was about actions having unintended consequences and finding the right thing to help you cope with those consequences.

>>92242960
People have been talking about this movie since 2013, and it won't stop. Why are you surprised people have gifs of it? I love the movie

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>>92243190
Blame Terrio, he's a false god.

>>92243569
see
>>92246212

>>92240446
superman being, above all, a man. part of depicting him as human. sometimes you get a little spiteful when you can wrap a guy around your index finger but you're not allowed to stuff him down the sink drain cause muh morals. his truck will simply have to do.

>>92240449
This. Rogue One was inoffensive as fuck.

>>92244702
Both reasons are right

>>92240062

IMO, the movie doesn't really start to fall apart until the ending.