Over 1/3rd of Marvel titles are under the 20k cancellation threshold.

How many for DC?

>>92233943
>Gwenpool
>US Avengers
>Ultimates 2
>Dr. Strange & Sorcerers Supreme
>Man-Thing
>Totally Awesome Hulk
>Spider-Man 2099

Aw these books are actually decent

>>92234026
Fuck you Man-Thing is a disgrace.

>>92233943
>>Thunderbolts – #12 – 13,780
JUST

And days ago we were discussing who was more popular, with Jason Todd or Bucky Barnes. Bucky + Thunderbolts sells less than Jason + Bizarro.

>tfw none of the Marvel titles on my pull list are on this list
Also, I believe Rocket Racoon transitioned into Rocket and Silk has already finished up and been canceled.

>>92234087
The Bucky only issue before #12 sold even lower. His last series under Kot ended at #11 at around 10k so it's not just the art's or the T-Bolts' fault, either.

>>92234026
I think Spider-Man 2099 is ending soon anyway. I figured it would be when they announced that PAD would be writing the new Scarlet Spider series.

>>92233943
I only read Ultimates 2, Dr. Strange and Nova from there.

>>92233977
That aren't either an imprint or mini-series?

>Hellblazer #9 - 19,115
>Superwoman #9 - 17,835
>New Super Man #10 - 14,748
>Cyborg #11 - 13,677
>Blue Beetle #8 - 13,406

So why the fuck are SJWs crying about Captain America being a "Nazi"? Do they realize that he's going to go back to being Cap after a few issues, or are they really that retarded?

It doesn't matter. The MCU is still beating the DCEU to a pulp and by the looks of it their reign will be long as both WW and Justice League are shaping up to be a mess.

>>92234475
Because they don't read comics anon, they read twitter and memes.

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>>92233943
>Miles Morales still hasn't reached cencelation

All is wrong in the world.

>>92234488
>The MCU is still beating the DCEU

Suicide Squad made more money than Dr. Strange and Ant-man

Man of Steel outsold Iron Man 3 on blu ray

BvS in general sold a lot of everything

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>>92233943
TFW sell more than MCU b listers but still get doubted as having fans,how can Samfags even compete

>>92234488
Fuck them double dubs waisted on company wars.

>>92234488
you know this has being triggering me from a while. The MCU vs DCEU shit.
I love Comic books and don´t give a shit about the movies besides "oh, nice, an Avengers Movie". I don´t care how good or bad are Marvel and DC at their movies I want BOTH to be good at their comics.

>>92234087

I'd be more okay with Thunderbolts if it weren't for that awful, eye-bleeding art.

>>92234087
>>92234223
People like Bru's Bucky.

No Bru, no buy.

Reminder that Marvel thought it was a good idea to make CA: Sam Wilson and it's writer part of it's big summer event.

>>92234475

Remember when Rogers' death at the end of Civil War made national news?

Casuals just don't get that nothing in comics is permanent and everything always returns to status quo.

>>92234616
He would have flopped faster than Sam if he wasn't riding off the success of Spider-Man and you know it.

>>92234026
Ewing can't sell for the life of him

probably because he only gets C-List or below characters

>>92234695
Remender is the one that made Sam cap and I doubt it was his idea since he was shilling Nomad as the succesor

>>92234684
People only like fanfic Bucky being buttfucked by all MCU males.

He is a no-no outside of weird women.

>>92234455
>New Super Man
;____;
>Hellblazer
Back to Vertigo with you, Scouser!

>>92234455
it's weird that Heckblazer isn't under Young Animal

>>92234826
>Vertigo
>Not Young Animal

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>>92234736
Ultimate spiderman was 6 years ago any goodwill he had from that would have dissipated by now if it was all he had going for him,if having spider man in his title is the reason for his success why are spider gwen and spider man 2099 so low.

>>92234026
Ultimates 2 is good, Spider Man 2099 is okay, Gwenpool started off good. The rest are garbage anon.

>>92234850
>Spider-man 2099
subtitle
>Spider-Gwen
alternate universe and doesn't actually have Spider-man in the title

>>92233943
>it's another "Marvel is doomed" circlejerk episode

>>92234847
No fuck you. Keep it at four ongoings and don't cancel anything to make more room.

>>92234455
>Blue beetle #8
Wait, I didn't even know there was a blue beetle rebirth. Is it any good?

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>Nova – #5 – 14,525

>>92234924
I wouldn't be too broken up about Mother Panic getting the boot for Hellblazer

although you know there's a fifth series starting soon right

>>92234475
Actually ironic as it may sound the SJW's have been our secret ally in all of this. I suspect the original intention at its inception was to do away with Steve altogether in order to pave the way for Sam Wilson the back lash by SJW's and associated outrage squads have ensured that won't happen.

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Remember how drones used to post company wars memes constantly?

Remember how they don't do that anymore because they're laughing stocks defending a shitty Jewish company?

2013 was a long ass time ago

>>92234952
Yes. It's by Giffen.

>>92234764
Ewing wants c-list or below characters. He has a massive fetish for non-white characters. He'd probably die inside if you forced him to write a bunch of white guys.

>>92234695
>Spencer gets butthurt that people don't like Sam Wilson as Cap and miss Steve
>tries to throw Steve under the bus by making him a Hydra that puts Inhumans in camps and kills people
>make him the focus of a politically driven main event to push as the main villain to push Sam and the other failed legacy characters
>people prefer Hydra Steve over Captain BLM
>people on twitter hate Nick and call him a Nazi
>SE #1 sold less than Batman and Flash
Was it worth it, Nick? Was it worth it?

>>92234967
The lowest selling title is Shade so if anything's getting the boot it's that so fuck you.

>>92235024
Loki's a white guy though

>>92235045
Loki's a living story who can and does change his sex at will.

> All New Wolverine 19 57,526
.

>Mighty Captain Marvel #4 - 17,893 Just.

>>92234681
Yet recent Thunder's story held promise the artwork was another matter entirely.

>>92234455
The difference is that DC overall is doing gangbusters with a much smaller selection of books, so they can handle losses on the niches.

>>92233943
>this is normal due to their annual relaunch model of business.
Then why are you making a thread?

>>92234709

That's fucking gay.

>>92233943
>>All those books that sell lower
>>Silk is the only character who vanishes from all books.

I swear to god, Marvel is retarded.

>>92233943
squirrel girl finally found her match.

Kate Bishop's failure fills me with joy.

She manages to have the worst fans having very little fans to begin with.

>>92233943
well, at least Gwenpool is ranking better than fucking captain boring Mcdyke

>>92235203
Silk joined SHIELD just so it wouldn't be as if she had never existed.

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>>92235079

>All New Wolverine 19 57,526

WHY DON'T YOU DIE!?

>Moon Girl that low

Aw, I really like that book.

>>92234842
Hopefully they relaunch it under that umbrella rather than just cancel it outright.

>>92235318
it's not a terrible book and Laura already had a fanbase before becoming Wolverine

>>92234823
>"""people"""
No.

>>92235319
It'll probably survive since they probably want to sell the book at book fairs.

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Currently only buying Ewing books, Nova and Iron Fist from Marvel.
Wish I'd taken more chances during Rebirth desu: Green Arrow, Red Hood and GLC have all been great but I didn't care much from the solicits.

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>>92235344

>it's not a terrible book

LIES

>>92234850
His book is literal just "Spider-Man". 2099 is a subtitle that indicates it's a secondary story and character.

>>92235355
Winter Soldier fans aren't people?

>>92235318
Taylor mastered delivering the kind of shallow instant gratification readers want with Injustice.
>>92235344
The X-23 ongoing's sales were never that high. People want Quiperine.

>>92235398
well it's not a particularly good book but it's not awful

it's just sort of mediocre

>>92235409
Those Bucklusters are not people, nor are they Winter Soldier fans

>>92235522
They are the only Winter Soldier fans.

>>92233943
I wish this mattered and that the shitfest that's new marvel would die, unfortunately the movies are all that matter anymore

>>92235582
Marvel Studios and Marvel Comics are completely separate divisions under Disney

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>>92235440
It's okay to admit you haven't actually read the comic anon

>>92235610
well shucks

>>92234026
everything on your list but Gwenpool is TRASH.
not shit, but yeah, not good enough
https://youtu.be/XPkj5ayfwRs?t=89

>>92233943

Does that include digital? Who really bothers with physical comics anymore?

>>92233943
>Kingpin
is this any good?

>>92235722
none of the companies release their digital numbers so this is all we have

>>92235656
>always this page
It started alright, but the book really spun its wheels and it's just not very good. Like the other anon said, it could be a lot worse.

>>92235558
NuBucky "fans" are not though. They didn't even read Winter Soldier #1-14!!!1!

>>92235812
did anyone read the Winter Soldier solo though

>>92235730
Yes all Daredevil spin offs book were great. Elektra Bullseye and kingpin.

>>92235812
In this case, nobody is his fan.

>>92235656
>Wolverine hallucination quipping instead of Laura
Not proving me wrong.
>>92235730
I've been liking it so far, but it's definitely stealth mini material. This guy also wrote the Civil War 2 Kingpin mini which was all right.
>>92235722
The industry's business model is built around floppies. They need all that money from retailers months in advance. If/when floppies go, comics will be very different because they'll need a financially-viable model.

>>92234455
Relaunch it as Cyborg and The Metal Men. C'mon!

>>92234455
>>New Super Man #10 - 14,748
GO FUCKING BUY THIS RIGHT NOW /CO/ LAST WARNING

>>92235031
Pity. I was interested in Sam as Cap. And I got Nick Spencer's commentary on BLM. What the fuck was he thinking?

I also gave Whor a chance and ended up liking it. But man, that issue where she punches Absorbing Man doomed her reputation forever. And then Waid had to hook her up with Sam for diversity points. Marvel are fucking retarded.

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>>92235768
It could be a lot worse, but considering that the writer didn't just decide to ditch everything in her past and retcon it away like KSD did with Carol, I'm pleased with the series. Even the Civil War 2 tie in weren't that bad, the direction of the comic actually led into the event very smoothly, unlike Ms Marvel.

>>92234488
They made the same money in the US in 2016 though, critics just like one over the other but that's it

>>92235890
has /tv/ fried your brain? That's not a quip.

>>92235890
>quip
While I'm sure this bait, I'm going to bite anyway, where is this quip?

>>92235730
It's pretty rad, but it is almost certainly a stealth mini.

>>92233943
where i can find a full list? I want to see the worst of the worst sellers and mock its fans

>>92235944
>I"m sorry you weren't cloned from someone with more sense he says with a slight smile
>and we'll teach him not to fire bazookas at people he says with mischievous grin

>>92235402
His books been out for 16 issues if it were only selling because people associated the name to Peter it would've dropped in sales by issue 2 like Invincible iron man

>>92236000
so yes, /tv/ has fried your brain

>>92236041
verb
verb: quip; 3rd person present: quips; past tense: quipped; past participle: quipped; gerund or present participle: quipping

1.
make a witty remark.
"“Flattery will get you nowhere,” she quipped"
synonyms: joke, jest, pun, sally; informalwisecrack
"“I think he got the point,” quipped Sean"

>>92235987
http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2017/2017-04.html

>>92236048
>appeal to dictionary
good work

>>92235386
I hope so. I added Great Lakes Avengers to my pull list just in time forthe last issue.

Any ither great comics out now?

waifus welcome

>>92236069
You know that someone's lost the argument when they have to resort to the dictionary defintion.

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>>92235040
but Shade's the best*
*closely tied with DP

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>>92236114
Spider-Man and Deadpool has been a blast

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>patsy walker AKA Hellcat - 6943
>MLP Friends forever - 8915
HAHAHAHA

>>92233943
Half of those are cancelled though.

>>92236173
It is the best and I'm not just talking about the Young Animal imprint. It's selling like shit though and still dropping.

>>92235045
So are Red Hulk, Anti-man, and Cannonball.

>>92236323
isn't Anti-Man dead now

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>>92233943
>Great Lakes Avengers was great.
>Nobody read it
>The last page is Deadpool showing up to tell them all they're fired because nobody loves them.

>>92233943
Then they've probably lowered it to bring it in line with DC's 10k threshold.

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>Gwenpool sandwiched by Captain Carol and Falcon-Cap

That's really interesting to me. Does anyone think she might have legs as a character after this run?

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>>92236350
>Great Lakes Avengers was great

America #2 did 23,000
How in the name of fuck is that possible?

>>92236378
Champions membership.

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>>92235475
>book is so unexciting I get nothing out of reading it
>hope it dies so the next writer can be utterly terrible again so I can drop it
Every fucking month I come to the fucking storytimes and read it. And every month it's a waste of time.
I keep thinking it has to eventually have some small peak in quality at some point, maybe making it good for a single moment or issue. But as it stands I just keep leaving disappointed and realize over and over again that it's just a constant flat line smack dab in the middle of mediocrity.

I hope they put Kate Leth on it and put Sliney on art.
I can't take this shit anymore.

>>92236457
I don't know why you would expect anything different from the writer of Injustice

>>92233943
B-but Twitter told me Marvel isn't selling because of Captain Nazism!

>>92236378
I hope she gets better artists and better writers, but heck, its Marvel.
next titles they will launch will probs be draw with crayons, so it may be better to let her die now

>>92236495
She's meh tier in Ultimates, but America is a steaming pile of nonsense. It can't possibly be appealing to latinos.

>>92236352
While they're giving them more leeway, Mosaic, Hellcat, and GLA are already cancelled. Bullseye, Elektra, and Kingpin are minis, Power Man and Iron Fist is being replaced with a Luke Cage and Iron Fist solos, World of Wakanda is being replaced with The Crew, Spider-Man 2099's ending, Thunderbolts, Silk, and Nova are also already cancelled.

>>92236524
>I hope she gets better artists and better writers
how about fuck you, her current team is great

>>92235920
I just don't liek how the made her a normal teen. you don't become normal after what she went through. At best, you become stoic and a little awkward

>>92236536
Im latino and I hate that cunt

>>92236201
PORN WHEN

>>92236451
#3 will probably be 15k or lower. It takes months for the accurate demand to set in.

>>92236452
Maybe if they made the Champions an actual street level team up book it would be good. Waid can't write her for shit though. I actually think Bendis should be on that instead of ruining the world with events.

>>92236664
>wanting Bendis to have control of both Miles and Kamala for extended periods of time
madman

>>92236578
her current team gave up on her like, two editions ago, and it have been going downhill pretty hard

>>92236451
That's pretty low to a number 2, to be honest.

>>92236306
I have the trade pre-ordered, and hope that DC is willing to give it some time to see how the trade sales are

>>92236763
Rebirth's whole thing is geared around trade sales, so they probably will.

>>92236803
And even then, imprints tend to have lower cancellation thresholds.

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I don't usually follow new comic releases, but whats the probability of all of these being cancelled? What sort of timeframe are we looking at?

>>92236763
Way said that he'd rather have four healthy ongoings rather than multiple ones that he tries out to see what sticks and Castellucci said "Shade is continuing" but I fear that it's not going to last until 2018... Hope dies last but sales truly are abysmal so it's hard to understand, business wise, why DC wouldn't cancel it.

>>92236803
This ain't Rebirth, numbnuts.

>>92236974
just because it's not under the Rebirth banner doesn't mean it's not under the Rebirth business model, ding-dong

>>92234026
>Not including Nova
It's literally one of the best things Marvel's putting out right now

Cancellation hasn't been 20k in over a decade. Why do people continue to repeat this meme?

But yes, many of Marvel's books are around the actual cancellation point (15k). And their "successful" ones are not selling enough to offset that.

>>92236378
WHERE THE FUCK DID GURIHIRU GO? With this new Deviantart artist I can't enjoy Gwenpool at all.

>>92237027
But it is considering that many of these titles are cancelled.

>>92237008
It kind of does, actually.

>>92234455
they better not fucking cancel blue beetle again i swear

These numbers mean nothing. Squirrel Girl sells under 10k floppy but >100k in trades. It would t be canceled at 2k floppies.

>>92237116
>Squirrel Girl sells >100k in trades
How?

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>>92237075
The artist on the Ghost Rider crossover issues isn't that bad. Better than the Miles ones.

>>92236930
See
>>92236553

They're all either cancelled already, were "stealth minis" i.e. regular series that bombed so Marvel will just pretend that they were minis all this time hehehe, or are essentially getting retitled and replaced.

>>92236002
It did drop though, back when it was Ultimate Spider-Man. That's why there was such a spike in sales when the title turned to Spider-Man, because of the association.

>>92236509
I generally like Laura as a character.
And unlike several of her recent appearances her current book gives me no explicit reason not to read it.
So I kept expecting it to become good if it only ever had the right story at some point.
Then some of the stuff he did were things I generally wanted to see from her books at some point. So I thought those stories would end up being more engaging to me than the rest of the book.
But as it turned out that stuff was just as monotone as the rest.

>>92236974
>sales truly are abysmal so it's hard to understand, business wise, why DC wouldn't cancel it.

I guess the real question is are they fully funding YA? Let's not forget that Way is probably still rich.

But it's all still doing better than Vertigo iirc, so they probably don't mind regardless.

>>92237116
>Squirrel Girl sells under 10k floppy but >100k in trades
The only Big 2 trades that sells over 100k per year is Watchmen and The Killing Joke, retard.

The best selling Squirrel Girl trade sold 8000 last year.

>>92237141
It's on every school kids' reading list as a feminist entry for girls to get into comics. Sadly.

>>92237180
Fairly certain he's talking about Scholastic sales. Those numbers aren't included in Bookscan.

>>92237176
Young Animal and Wildstorm are likely being subsidized in large part by the success of DC's main line. So the niche stuff is getting funded by normie stuff. If you want more niche stuff and something for everyone, be sure to tell your normie friends to buy more Batman.

>>92234455
>New Super Man #10 - 14,748
FUCK

>>92237204
>>92237232
What the fuck?

>>92237289
Scholastic book fairs senpai. They make a lot of money.

>>92237141
by lying.

>>92237141
It just does! It sells bazillions of trades and also digitals, too. Don't ask questions, shitlord.

>>92237176
I doubt Way got into comics to lose money, especially lose money on a comic he isn't personally writing.

>>92237165
I see. Thanks for the reply bruh.

>>92237367
well he certainly didn't get into them to make money, he probably makes more off MCR royalties in a month than he makes off comics in a year

>>92237367
He loves comics and might just be an egomaniac like most performers.

>>92237412
>>92237433
Like I said, nobody makes a load of cash and then says "let me blow it all on funding some people to do comics". I'm sure Doom patrol is safe for as long as he wants it to be but MCR is dead and he ain't gonna be making loads off cash off off the band for years and years.

>>92236451
Any word on overshipping this one to boost numbers?

>>92237116
>100k in trades.
[citation needed]

>>92237509
>nobody makes a load of cash and then says "let me blow it all on funding some people to do comics".
Plenty of people waste money once they're rich. He likes comics, so he decided he wanted to do it as a hobby.

>>92237509
>nobody makes a load of cash and then says "let me blow it all on funding some people to do comics".
Passion projects are a pretty common thing when people have money to burn.

>>92237509
It's a partnership with DC so if he's throwing in like 100k it's really not that much.

But again DC has an entire line of books selling much worse so they probably don't care.

>>92237086
a rose by any other name would smell just as sweet, faggot

>>92237509
Do you not know what a "passion project" is? Especially for artists like Way?

>>92237100
>>92235019
I wasn't really enjoying the Blue Beetle book last I looked at it: Ted and Jaime's constant, CONSTANT back and forth got really fucking annoying for me and Ted himself was kind of a douche, Jaime's friends were almost too aggressive to one another

Did it get better?

>>92237869
>Ted and Jaime's constant, CONSTANT back and forth got really fucking annoying for me
That's Giffen for ya. He's an acquired taste.

>>92238045
Is it even worth acquring? I remember him focusing so much on ebin bants they'd distract from literally everything else going on. Jaime doesn't always have lines directing to him because they're both on radio so it's not even always easy to keep track of who is even speaking. This isn't like Terry / Bruce level of partnership either, Ted rarely ever has good advice and unless I misremember, Jaime still has the actual beetle's voice talking too so what is even the point of including Ted?

>>92238119
>what is even the point of including Ted?
Do you know how annoying tedfags are?

>>92237869
Yeah, last issue DeMatteis joined in and it was actually good. Might be a case of too little too late but... it did get better is my point.

>>92237151
are you kidding, Ghost rider/gwenpool art was the worst of all, almost as bad as shadowcat

>>92233943
>>Captain Marvel #4
>>17k
Holy shit
Literally killed a new brand

>>92236495
...que?

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I'm happy. Gwenpool's doing a lot better than I'd hoped. That's all I could hope for.

>5 digit sales
Is this normal for comic books?

>>92238667
these days, yes

>>92238667
Yes basically only rigged #1s, Batman, and event books sell 100k+ and I think with double shipping even Batman has fallen below it.

>>92238726
Jesus Christ.

I feel bad for only buying TPBs.

>>92238740
don't, floppies are a terrible sales model

>>92238740
Don't feel bad for buying the format you prefer.

Also trade sales aren't really much better. "Good" there is like 5k.

>>92238764
>Also trade sales aren't really much better. "Good" there is like 5k.
Holy fuck.

How do these companies stay in business? Is it solely merchandising and movies?

>>92237022
>cancelled at issue 6
>trade is only the first 5 issues
suffering

>>92238843
yes

but trades sell way more over time and have a higher price-point per unit

>>92233943
Welp their safe then they have officaly lowered the bar

>>92234488
Well the thing is, the MCU is done by Marvel Studios, not Marvel Entertainment

If Marvel Entertainment crashes and burns, then Disney is going to take an active hand in directing the company instead of letting it be.

MarvelE don't shape up and it's getting moused.

>>92238843
They don't make money off merchandising or movies. It's just that they sell enough to guarantee cost certainty. That 20k sales in one issue is still 60-80k in sales dollars and the total cost of the creative team is like 50k total from their contracts and the cost of printing per issue isn't so bad considering it's millions of issues a month for the big 2. All evens out.

>>92238843
It is not that different from book publishers, honestly.

And DC/Image make 30m per year just selling trades.

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>>92238666
We saved her, Satan. Maybe.

>>92238938
>the total cost of the creative team is like 50k total from their contracts
I feel like that's either vastly underestimating how much creative gets paid or vastly underestimating how many people work on a book

>>92234971
Not even SJWs want Steve gone or replaced. Hes too popular, especially thanks to the MCU. Which reminds me that Anthony Mackie himself doesnt want to be Cap. Why not make comics Falcon more like him?

>>92234026
Man-thing was announced as a mini AFAIK, it's not such a big deal for that book>>92234826

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>>92233943
We all know what is going on here.

>>92238986
Talking per-issue and probably an overestimate. Not sure how to count in people like editors and legal and shit.

>>92239146
considering most issues have
>writer
>penciller
>inker
>colorist
50K a month for those four people is way low

>>92239194
I feel like you're overestimating rates by a lot based on publicly known data like: https://fairpagerates.com/year-in-review-2015-survey-results/

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>>92236763
I included Nate's tweet because holy shit that can't be the real number. Either way I hate this industry.

>>92239263
>$150 for a script at DC
wowzers I guess I am overestimating

>>92236495
mucho kek

>>92234488
How is this relevant and topical at all?

>>92238980
>>92238666
Satan really IS on her side.

>>92237027
Because that's the excuse Brevoort said when Marvel cancelled Fantastic Four (Marvel's greatest First Family). "It's at 25-30k! It's too low! Costing us too much money!!! Cancelled!!!"

Meanwhile wastes of space like Moon Girl Wasp, Squirrel Girl, and Spider-Gwen are allowed to live because Muh virtues signaling! Muh Diversity! Muh clickbait! Muh Film Rights!

You can't cancel a comic above 20k then allow other comics below 20k because you like them.

>>92233943
Since Gwenpool sells more than Carol, why not make her the female mascot?

>>92233943
What are America's numbers at atm?

>>92236451
>>92237546
Yeah there was some overshipping. I think it was 100% or 50% of issue #1 orders.

I don't know if #3 will be overshipped. Gotta wait on LCS to say so.

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>>92239669
I wonder if she'll show up as DLC in MvCI

>>92239689
just under 24,000 for issue 2.

>>92239532

In fact here's Fantastic Four sales:

02/14 Fantastic Four v6 #1 - 65,775 ( 134.5%)
03/14 Fantastic Four v6 #2 - 37,569 ( -42.9%)
04/14 Fantastic Four v6 #3 - 34,930 ( -7.0%)
05/14 Fantastic Four v6 #4 - 33,263 ( -4.8%)
05/14 Fantastic Four v6 #5 - 33,336 ( 0.2%)
06/14 Fantastic Four v6 #6 - 33,177 ( -0.5%) O.S. Tie-In
07/14 Fantastic Four v6 #7 - 33,687 ( 1.5%) O.S. Tie-In
08/14 Fantastic Four v6 #8 - 30,674 ( -8.9%) O.S. Tie-In
08/14 Fantastic Four v6 #9 - 28,827 ( -6.0%)
09/14 Fantastic Four v6 #10 - 28,118 ( -2.5%)
10/14 Fantastic Four v6 #11 - 26,938 ( -4.2%)
10/14 Fantastic Four v6 #12 - 26,638 ( -1.1%)
11/14 Fantastic Four v6 #13 - 25,432 ( -4.5%)
12/14 Fantastic Four v6 #14 - 24,716 ( -2.8%)
01/15 Fantastic Four #642 – 30,118 ( +21,9%)
02/15 Fantastic Four #643 – 32,302 ( + 7.3%)
03/15 Fantastic Four #644 – 32,947 ( + 2.0%)
04/15 Fantastic Four #645 – 39.389 ( +19.6%)

Keep in mind the cancellation was announced in October 2014:

http://deadline.com/2014/10/fantastic-four-comics-cancelled-2015-movie-850498/

So that means it was at the mid/low 20,000s. There are still people today (likely ones working for Marvel) who keep pushing the claim that "Fantastic Four was definitely canceled due to low sales!" even though by that logic most of their books this year would've already been canceled.

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And after the FF cancellation the Inhumans push started along with shoving the X-men to the side. Also every promotional artwork featuring only the MCU characters.

>>92240068
I didn't know She-Hulk was an MCU character

>>92233943
>Ultimates 2 – #6 -17,350

F

>>92239669
holy shit
Gwenpool as a sassy sidekick to super dyke?
I am ashamed to admit , but I would buy it, i mean they are polar opposites, perfect for some comedy

>>92236398
I tried to defend it but the site thought it was spam.

So I'll leave it at not perfect, but good with promise.

>>92239763
Doubt it. The closest is if Deadpool gets in and one of his costumes looks like her's.

>>92236173
WTF is even shade. Is it good?

>>92240282
it's a story about an alien who possesses a HBIC human high school student with heavy emphasis on BITCH

hijinks ensue

>>92239194
50k a month would be 12.5k each

That would be 150k a year. Do you really think Marvel forks out 150k per person each year? For every book?

That being said, >>92238938 is also wrong

Marvel doesn't get the full enchilada from each comic, since Diamond takes a cut and the LCS takes a cut. All in all, most comic companies get 40-60% of the cover price. Meaning a 20k selling comic makes about 40k-50k, depending whether it's a $4 or $5 comic.

Also, Marvel Entertainment does make merchandising money. He is correct in that they make no money from the movies - that is the domain of Marvel Studios, which is a separate business.

>>92240068
>And after the FF cancellation the Inhumans push started

No they were starting the push before the cancellation. Do you not remember Inhuman (which they put Joe Madureira on and had Matt Fraction as writer at first before Fraction and editorial couldn't come to an agreement on whatever it was, and then Charles Soule was put in as replacement)? That was 2013.

>>92240107
At that time, the Luke Cage TV show wasn't even out yet. They definitely had plans for She-Hulk for something.

>>92235895
I would love more Metal Men. I like that they have a conenction now, so maybe something like this happens around the movie.

>>92235031
>>92235901
Sam would make a fine Captain America, he just has to be written as an actual character and not a walking talking soap box.

>>92240313
Fuck it, ill check it out. If its any good, I'll add it to my pull list. Is it child suitable? ~13-14yo

>>92240426
no. Young Animal is basically 90s Vertigo, superheroes with swears and sex.

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>>92234455
>/co/ would rather talk crap about Marvel's latest pandering attempt than support good books.

You people are supposed to be better than this.

>>92240426
No. Plenty of language, and the first issue has some alien oral sex in it.

>>92238867
thats fucked

>>92240495
I think they were expecting it to last longer, but it flopped really hard. Was low sales from issue #1

I think it doesn't help that a big portion of Nova's fanbase hates Sam so much that they'd sink the ship rather than let him on it. There are forums where you get banned for calling him Nova. You have to call him "Nino" (Nova In Name Only)

>>92235982
Every Marvel ongoing is a stealth mini.

>>92240467
>>92240448
ah damn, guess ill have to find something else then, though I'll still look into it. Thanks for the warning.

>>92233943

Seems like they'd save more money but cutting like, half of these. Why does Marvel feel it necessary to have like 40+ comics out?

>>92240720
The problem is the lack of variety rather than having 40+ comics. I think DC has about the same amount right now but it's not all traditional capeshit in the main universe at least.

>>92240176
Imagine how Gwenpool would react.

a) She doesn't even know who Carol is, or hasn't read her comics, and only knows the Ms. Marvel name though Kamala. Maybe she'll comment on hating Carol's short hair.

b) Gwenpool continues to be a thirsty fangirl and tries to make Carol her sugar mama, much to Carol's annoyance.

I think the latter is more likely, since Gwen has shit taste in comics.

>>92236457
This is how I feel about 'Tec

>>92240996
Which comics does she read, last I remembered she was reading Miles' book (which doesn't even read like Bendis-style) before she ended up in 616, is afraid of being in a Bendis book, and doesn't read Deadpool because she thinks it's too meme-y.

>>92240419
This. Having Steve pass the torch to Sam was something that made sense from a character standpoint since Sam's been a long time ally of Steve's. I mean, sure it was a diversity push from the start but Falcon and Cap have history stretching back nearly 40 years unlike some legacy heroes who were just made up to say "We're very progressive." I was interested in how Wilson's character would develop and grow with his new found position.

What I got was some garbage about immigration and race.

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>>92239985

This is the power of the Mouse. You can't tell me a comic company would drop one of their most iconic franchises and push comics that can't stay alive past a single arc and keep relaunching Captain Marvel. We all know this is about movies but you don't cancel a comic making you money over it. Unless you were told to by someone that has more to gain from starving out Fox.

>>92234871
Nah, Sorcerers Supreme is great.

>>92241096
She probably reads most everything but Deadpool. Her not reading Deadpool was obviously a meta joke.

>>92240720
Every new book you put out is a new #1.

>>92241096
She knows Kate Bishop and adores Girl Thor. And I just looked it up, Gwen has a poster of short hair Carol on her wall. She generally seems to gravitate towards legacies.

>>92241200
It's not the Mouse. The Mouse doesn't care if FF is cancelled or not. They just want money.

It's Ike Pearlmutter and his autism. He's the one that commissioned the Inhumans movie (now a tv show) and is responsible for their push. He's the one that took down posters of Fantastic Four and X-Men. He's the one that wanted the Inhuman Peanut Cloud to kill Mutants. He's the one that told Disney not to instantly buy the FF movie rights and to wait for it when it's cheaper. Then cancelled the FF comic to try and spite Fox.

If only Stan Lee could consume his soul, things at Marvel would be better.

>>92241449
>and adores Girl Thor.

I'm behind, but did they retcon this into new issues or something? Because she didn't even remember Whor that well the first time Whor was in her book. Didn't seem like she was a reader since she only even knew Whor's identity because she remembered Portman played her in the movies.

>>92233943
Thor, Miles, America and Iron Heart all safe.

>>92240419
I hope he doesn't go away and gets a good writer this time. His arsenal would make for some fun action along with a political thriller story cuz murica.

>>92241616
America's at like 23K on #2, it'll be down in the 12Ks by #3

>>92240495
>>92238867
its been changed for all 7 issues now

>>92233943
>punisher not on the list
Thats a first. Despite this absolutely shit run, glad to see Frank is still runnin.'

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>>92241543
She has a post of Whor on her bedroom wall in an issue. its inconsistent, i think gurihiru just drew every legacy they could think of for her merch.

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>>92242104
now that i actually look at it, that was one of the fill in artists.

>>92240720
>>92240944
In any given month both DC and Marvel release between 75 and 90 titles. Some of these are second printings of popular editions (first printings which are still on sale and technically shipping are not counted as new editions). The top 300 as determined by Diamond sales to comic book retailers are therefore largely made up of Marvel and DC - the "big 2". For instance, in March both companies released 92 titles each, for a total of 184 between them.

The same month, Image released 61 titles, IDW 60 titles, Dark Horse 25, and so on and so forth; there were almost 600 new issues shipped by Diamond that month.

This represented a largely average month.

The figures do not include graphic novels/trades released, of which there were over 300, though Marvel and DC together made up just over 20% of this figure, pretty evenly split between them.

Marvel and DC are the only publishers whose new issues almost completely end up inside the top 300 (88 Marvel, 87 DC in March); Image, the next best performer, got under 60% of its titles into the top 300.

The thing to remember in all of this is that retailers are ordering what they think they can sell, and paying about 75% of cover price. Whether they can in fact sell those issues is up to them.

>>92241143
When Steve originally went Nomad it was a commentary on the way Nixon had handled the presidency, and on America's tarnished ideals. It's hard to say now why you'd expect something different - even if you're a full-on lockherup, you're still convinced America is corrupt.

The book, the character, have for a very long time now been used for political commentary. Steve famously won't back political candidates, despite making his own positions abundantly clear; but he turned his back on a president because the office had been corrupted.

I imagine you would have cancelled your subscription at that point.

>>92240462
> that cover
oh
my
fucking
god

>>92242210
>Keep feeding me dumplings, or I will DIE!

>>92242208
implying Nixon commit suicide was in poor taste.

>>92241908
Oh, thats fantastic news. Thanks anon

>>92237433
>He loves comics
After reading his take on Ultimate Marvel Batman/Joker I love him.

>>92240321
>Do you really think Marvel forks out 150k per person each year? For every book?
Depends on incentive plans but if sales are shit it won't amount to much.

>>92234455
>Hellblazer #9 - 19,115
Should go to YA or Vertigo so they can be more free.
>Superwoman #9 - 17,835
First arc was 7 issues of tedious and repetitive dialogue and a boring story.
>New Super Man #10 - 14,748
GO BUY THIS RIGHT NOW FAGGOTS. If this gets cancelled then I swear to god.
>Cyborg #11 - 13,677
Has actually been pretty solid. Lot's of Silver Age type stuff and Semper has done a great job expanding his rogues gallery and family. The problem is he's still been too angsty with the "am I a man or machine" stuff. He needs to get over it. Relaunch as Cyborg and the Metal Men.
>Blue Beetle #8 - 13,406
All I fucking wanted was my man Ted to go on fun BWAHAHA! adventures with Jaime. Instead it's just been Jaime complaining with Ted talking to him over the radio.

I'd say New Super-Man and Cyborg are pretty safe despite the low numbers since DC wouldn't want the headlines of cancelling their main minority books. Plus New Super-Man is getting alot of critical acclaim and is written by a high profile guy they want to keep happy and Cyborg is (for whatever reason) the main minority character DC is trying to push on all fronts.

>>92243133
>written by a high profile guy
If it's selling cancellation numbers, he's not high profile.

>>92243288
Different market. He's known outside of capeshit but hasn't made a name for himself in it yet. It's worth the gamble for DC though.

>>92243365
They gave him Superman and that didn't do too well either. There comes a time when you have to cut your losses.

>>92243403
His Superman was marred by shitty art and being heavily involved with crossover shit. Of course his fans won't be into that. I would wait at least for trade sales before declaring anything for sure.

But probably most importantly NSM is also Jim Lee's idea so it will probably last as long as he cares. And I could see a relaunch with the JLC title at some point before it goes for good.

>>92243403
>that didn't do too well either

Like everything also that was part of DCYou.

>>92243495
JRJr is a big name regardless of what you think about him. His team-up with Johns sold.

Man-Thing has a comic out

>>92243585
That sold because of Johns not him. Come on now.

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>>92233943
I hate many of these books, so this is good news.

Now if only the casuals would stop buying the Mighty Whor.

>>92234488
Cape movies are shit and this isn't /TV/.

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>Wasp that low
>"Unstoppable" soon to be STOPPED

YES!!!

>>92234455
Why aren't Asian Americans buying a comic about...oh, right. He isn't one. Damn it.

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>USAvengers getting lower and lower

I guess the nation has spoken.

>>92243631
So he gets all blame for Yang not selling, but none of the credit for Johns selling?
I actually did like his Supes (up until the Vandal Savage crossover) and New Super-Man, but the guy just doesn't write comics most people are interested in buying. NSM will have at least 14 issues which is very considerate on DC's part.

>>92239106
Its sad because its true. But are Europe comics doing any better?

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>>92243793
I read Infinity Gauntlet for the first time today.

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>>92243133
>Asian
>minority

I like New Super-Man as well, but are you an idiot? The world's populations FIFTY PERCENT ASIAN!

And Cyborg's getting pushed because the kids love him!

>>92234026
Agreed with Ultimates 2 and Spidey-2099. You also missed Nova which is ok and sadly got axed.

Everything else is from meh to awful.

>>92243933
minority = non white to liberals

>>92243738
>Why aren't Asian Americans buying a comic about...oh, right. He isn't one. Damn it.
Believe it or not, a lot of people won't buy a book just cause the character is the same race. Especially black people.

If anything, I would think people aren't buying it because they find the core premise stupid (china makes its own versions of american heroes)

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>>92234026
>decent
>Totally Awesome Hulk

Slow your roll, bitch.

>>92244033
that's ghost rider, an unfortunatly bad comic book, not his main book which is great in fact

>>92244033
you seem to have posted Ghost Rider, not TAH, friend

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>>92243991
But people love Hero Academia, One-Punch Man, and all the other Japanese capeshit of recent years.

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>>92244033
>posts an image from Ghost Rider

>>92244110
Saitama isn't japanese Superman though.

>>92244033
Robbie didn't deserve to go out like this.

>>92244110
Yeah and? I'm not saying Asian-Americans actively avoid their own race. Just that "these are my people" isn't a strong buying point.

Asians don't buy asian characters because they're asian
Blacks don't buy black characters because they're black
There are some exceptions, and some positive things to be said about having some representation in comics, but it's not a solid customer pull

>>92240362
>Do you not remember Inhuman
No one does. No one read that shit.

>>92243991
>I would think people aren't buying it because they find the core premise stupid (china makes its own versions of american heroes)

To be fair, half of the characters in the book also think it's a really stupid idea as well. But having irony like that as your foundation and through line is difficult to keep fresh from month-to-month.

>>92243933
Minority in the comic book landscape. Are you that autistic that you really couldn't understand what I was referring to?

>>92244428
Yeah. I wasn't trying to insult the series and I hope it didn't come off that way. Just trying to express that fucking reeee normies don't often give books a chance. Too tired for English

>>92243933
We are talking about within the USA. And in that context we are absolutely a minority or ~5% of the population.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYAuR5bkIlQ
I'm sure Marvel will just shrug their shoulders and blame consumers for their poor sales instead of fixing their shit books.

Is there any website planning to keep a list of the firings at Marvel over the next 3 years

>>92235886
>>92235829
IIRC it sold pretty well.
It was also really great.

This is regards to vol. 1, I think another author came on for a few issues after Bru, but it's been awhile and didn't read lol. Marvel NOW really was a jumping off point.

>>92239031
Because Mackie, quite sensibly, would rather play Falcon as his own man rather than as Black Cap.

>>92240580
Wtf are you, underaged?

>>92240176
Would Carol have Gwenpool pegged?

>>92246675
lol

I think he wants a book that he can share with an underaged relative.

No joke I'm only pulling one Marvel book right now and that's Daredevil.

>>92241472
Perlmutter cannot be consumed; his soul is so vast in its void-like nature even Stan dare not consume it.

Even Set himself would not taste Perlmutter, even to satiate the Serpent Seas.

>>92245569
You mean nobody?
They blame everything on DC or customers. Why would they suddenly turn on themselves?

>>92246690
I dunno which definition for pegged you're using, but either way would be fantastic

>Carol realizes Gwenpool knows things she has no right to know. Uses that knowledge to quietly gain an upper hand over supervillains and even allies under the pretence of training Gwenpool up to be a hero
alternatively
>Carol introduces Gwenpool to her friend, the Cunt Destroyer 5000 strap-on

>>92246810
but Stan out-jewed Ike

>>92246709
A likely story. . .

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>>92246816

>>92246816
>under the pretence of training Gwenpool up to be a hero

It would be hilarious if Carol didn't even bother training her that much, and just used her. Gwen would either stay oblivious, or call her out on how shitty it was.

>>92247033
You can't say no to a superior officer

>>92247039
>Gwen has to go on routine missions with Carol to keep up the facade
>Gwen and Carol go to take on an organization making a heist
>Comes face-to-face with their hired muscle, Batroc
what now

>>92246816
Gwen trying to be helpful but just gets exploited by Yaas Queen, and to top it all off, Gwen gets "slayed" by the CD5000)

>>92247132
>what now
Batroc ends up steering Gwen on the right pack and exposes Carol for the bitch she is. Carol beats them both up, and we get some moral about true friendship or whatever. Maybe Carol also secretly steals some of Carol's stuff from her time under her, and hawks it for cash.

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>>92233943

>Everybody saying " but half of those are cancelled
>Marvel had to cancel 1/6th of it's line because nobody wants to read them

Why not use anthology format, or does Ike see that as offering too much values for money?

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>>92243738
>Why aren't Asian Americans buying a comic about...oh, right. He isn't one. Damn it.

Good chuck of the comic reading audience just trade reads. This is definitely true for Gene Luen Yang.

>>92247273
>Maybe Carol also secretly steals some of Carol's stuff from her time under her, and hawks it for cash.
hot carol on carol action

>>92247415
historically, most western anthologies dont sell well. AD2000 does pretty good.

Adopting the manga format and having really low quality anthologies followed by high quality TPBs would be an interesting idea, but too risky for the current companies to try

>>92247458

i feel so bad trade waiting New Super-Man. hope that the name recognition keeps it afloat

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>>92247458
So did any of you get a free comic at Panda Express?

>>92247463
They need to shill Carol more. So they're making Carol her own legacy character, Carol.

>>92247415
Anthologies sell like shit, and Americans don't want to buy disposable things with shit paper and no colors.

>>92247661
Carol hands powers to Carol, pissing on her mantle to herself.

Pottery.

pls buy manthing. I want more

>>92247724
It's more like they refuse to read anything other than their face character.

>>92233943
I wasn't even aware there was a fucking new Bullseye book out right now.


Fuck.

>>92247531
I feel really bad about trade waiting too man.

Hopefully it does well in trades.

>>92234455
Okay I'm going to buy the next issue of New Super-Man despite being very behind so you all better too.

>>92235920
Glad Enemy of the State II actually acknowledged the fact that you can't heal water out of your lungs.

>>92234695
And Marvel drove Remender off Cap with their editorial mandated bullshit.

>>92237116
>100k

>>92234967
bug is 6 issues

>>92235031
>tries to throw Steve under the bus by making him a Hydra that puts Inhumans in camps
Wait is that supposed to be a bad thing?

>>92234971
That's what it always read like to me... Rather than make Sam Wilson look truly worthy of the shield, Spencer tried taking the easy way out by making Steve look worse

>>92251006
Because they still think that if they push the Inhumans the audience will love them

>>92244033
>Let me debunk that by posting a comic that's not Totally Awesome Hulk
Genius.

Can comic books fucking die already?

>>92251746
No because you're too spergy

>>92251746
at the very least we'll probably see another crash in the next decade

>>92243133
Yeah New Super-Man is kind of a prestige book, so it's probably safe for as long as the writer wants to write it.

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>Shade The Changing Girl #7 - 9,827

Well, fuck.

>>92234709
Casuals only read Marvel or DC comics. You want legit cred as a comic fan, then read a comic that isn't about superheroes and from a publisher other than Marvel or DC.

>>92246675
As this >>92246709 anon said.

>>92233943
>Great Lakes Avengers
fuck i really liked that book

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>>92243903
Trunk doesn't need anyone to save him from the Apocalypse, you silly-billy.

GLA should have been a new mini-series

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>>92234633
You! Hey you! Yes, (You)! I like you and your dubs. You speak the truth.

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>DUDE NOTHING HAPPENS LMAO

>>92236201
I looked at the thumbnail and thought it was Bleez.

>>92253388
I thought Black Panther was selling surprisingly well.

>>92246690
Pools always get pegged

>>92253502
Nah, had a big first issue but then sunk low

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>>92233943
>Silk
at last

>>92253673
She really wasn't that bad once you got her away from Slott

The man kills everything he touches

>>92243933
Correction, over fifty percent of the world's population lives on the Asian continent.

But you're talking about:

Orientals
Indians
Arabs
Malays

Just to name the visually obvious sub-groups that obviously do not identify as the others. I'm from two of those and fuck all do I identify with the other two.

The blanket term "Asian" hurts the concept of diversity in the same way that "White" does.