Why is the average level of art quality for comics dropping so hard?

>>92205802
https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/04/02/comics-folk-react-marvels-axel-alonso-saying-artists-dont-move-needle/

Also IIRC after John Romita Sr retired, Marvel (or rather Ike) did away with the Romita's Raiders crew that usually fixed up mistakes. Add to this the reduction in number of editors and that's what ends up happening.

It's not really dropping. It's just bad in ways you're not used to. That under-inked style in particular from your example is getting more popular and makes stuff like in your example look worse than they should.

But also you likely do not have enough knowledge to critique.

I think a better OP would've been "Why is the average level of writing quality for comics dropping so hard?"

>>92205970
We have those all the time though

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Quinones is an okay artist,his work in America is the victim of abysmal coloring and inking,marvel needs some serious quality control

>>92205894
>how do you market artists today with Wizard magazine?
Well, Marvel, there's this thing called the World Wide Web, also known as the Internet. I hear a lot of people hang out on the Internet.

>>92206066
There's still some oddness like Spider-Man's thighs in the first panel, but yeah. It looks much more professional here.

>>92205894
ARTIST BTFO
It's true though. Art can't carry a shit story, but a good story can carry shit art

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>>92206140
Yeah he's not great but his art is decent,the colorist should get shot it's clearly an MS paint job.You'd think someone in the big 2 could check up on this kind of stuff,a botched colorist can ruin any artwork

>>92206143
It depends on the manner of shitness, a well-written story that is visually incomprehensible in flow is not a good story. Visual storytelling is still on the artist.

But I do agree that good art being wasted on a bad script is generally worse than good writing with unaesthetic (but readable) art.

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>>92205802
Shit like this is what depresses me the most. I go back and read shit like The Long Halloween/TDKR/Annihilation/WWH and it has nice art. Art that looks like it was drawn by a professional.

This makes me want to puke blood. Shit character and writing aside, why would anyone even think to buy a book containing art like this? This is so awful and it combined with the absolute dogshit Marvel has out now is what will send the company broke. Say what you want about CWII, but at least I could look at the art. DC are doing okay with Jim Lee, Capullo, Daniels and Fabok.

Christ, is there anything Marvel even has left?

>>92205802
Oooooooh! Marvel artists are going to need some vivaporù for that burn!

>>92205802
It's not. The problem is that comics are a business now more than ever and the big companies only concerned with the money realized that most people really don't notice the art at all. They just want to see the further adventures of their favorite movie characters.

>>92206066
That looks like shit too.

>>92206215
I'm a little forgiving because the release schedule is kind of hell on everyone. I can understand not prioritizing every panel of every book, but when the entire issue is sloppy someone needs to go over it again even if it means there will be a delay.

I don't want Image style hiatuses but there has to be a happy medium.

>>92206143
It really varies.

>>92206301
How do you explain manga having better art on average despite also being a business? (And usually the artist is also the writer, it's not split up like often is in western comics)

>>92205917
>But also you likely do not have enough knowledge to critique.

lol shut the fuck up, if it looks bad, it looks bad.

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>>92206235
At marvel if say daredevil,Moon knight and Picheli spiderman are the most decent in terms of art

Artstyles are more varied but the quality absolutely has not dropped. You have to be looking at things with rose tinted glasses because there have always been plenty of books with just shitty, lazy phoned-in art, especially in the last twenty years.

>>92206357
>And usually the artist is also the writer
You don't know what you're talking about.

>>92206251
some what?

>>92205802
With the introduction of Digital Art inkers are dying out.

While many artists using digital know how to ink, those who dont really suffer from not having another skilled person between them and publication.

>>92206421
Vick's VapoRub in spicanese

>>92206301
This is not true at the publishing level. Comics people basically don't see that movie money, especially not at Marvel where they fail to even capitalize on the popularity of those characters (stuff like no Iron Man collections in the entire top 750 of bookstore sales last year unless you count Civil War). It should not affect their output.

>>92206443
I've tried to read some classic Red Sonja lately, but the coloring was so bad that I had to drop it.

>>92206382
The problem is that you need to understand why it looks bad. If you can't communicate that, this kind of conversation goes nowhere.

>>92205802
> average level
> posts only one pic

great job making your case, OP. I'll gladly take modern marvel art over the terrible-looking 90s stuff or pre-NOW housefest.

>>92206417
I'm from /a/, I know a shit ton more than you do. On average the writer and artist are the same person, with the weekly mainstream stuff usually having a couple of assistant artist for tedious stuff.

>>92206357
At least from my knowledge from Jump,manga art has too be great to get a chance of catching on and getting attention,this is true for some indie western books as well.Big 2 comics main draw is the character or the writer,ergo why Grant Morrison can get teamed up with a shit artist but still get high selling numbers but a greatly illustrated top cow book will come in low,it's the nature of the industry.

>>92206530
We all read comics here, no need to take the time to do that. This is a discussion, not a debate.

>>92206447
Puerto Ricanese. Mexicans use Aloe Vera.

>>92206530
Hi tumblr!

>>92206564
>We all read comics here
[citation needed]

>>92206554
>greatly illustrated
>top cow
Pick one.

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>>92206531
>I'm from /a/
>I know a shit ton more than you do.

>>92206568
>Aloe Vera
Better than any aftershave.

>>92206606
The citation is this thread, if you don't read comics feel free to escort yourself off the premises.

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>>92206618

>>92206564
> this is a discussion

the bait OP says otherwise.

>>92206650
Whatever interest I had in arguing with you went away with
>I'm from /a/

>>92206678
>Actually got scared off
Guess you do have some brains.

>>92206613
the City of Heroes comic had decent art

;_;7

>>92206659
Are anon discussing the art in today's comics? Yes? Then it's a discussion, either contribute or leave, bitch.

>>92206357
Lol dude look at Attack On Titan. Utter shit art pushed in your face 24/7 because it sells. And we're lucky enough to only have the good stuff imported and that garbage still clogs up our shelves.

>>92206659
>triggered Marvel shill

>>92205894

He isn't wrong. Superhero Comics have always viewed their art team as work horses they can replace and interchange as they wish. But last I checked the next word after "Marvel" was "Comics".

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>>92205802
Maybe you just need to read better shit.

>>92206698
That's cause of the anime adaption that it got big in the west.
Also as medicore as AoT's art is, it's not the norm and better than something like modern Squirrel girl

>>92206554
I'm still heartbroken that Death Vigil didn't do well. I love sejic's art!

>>92206743
AoT is closer to the norm in manga than SG is to comics.

>>92206703
>triggered
>shill
These word have lost all meaning thanks to retards like you.

>>92206696
> are anons discussing the art in today's comics?

no

>>92206740
colorist did all the work here tbqh

>>92206803
The later stuff maybe, but not earlier on.

>>92206688
>>Actually got scared off
Raw autism is far too dangerous to approach directly.

Memeing aside, it's painfully obvious you can't be convinced of other things besides your own opinion so why bother?

>>92206688
>guess you do have some brains.

Anon, tell me, are you in the art business?
Do you know how things work internally other than "muh manga n shiet r true art"

No?
Then stop being an obnoxious faggot.

I think the reason why is the lack of caring for the book the person is working on. Joe and Paolo Rivera did the coloring and inks. Look at any of their other pieces, Paolo is a skilled oil painter and his dad is a great inker. But with this book they shit the bed. And I think it's because they just don't care about it.

>>92206066
This writing is fucking dreadful

>>92206143
>a good story can carry shit art
No

>>92205802
i think if it was inked better it wouldn't look so unfinished.

>>92206740
how do you even begin drawing those buildings?
seems like a waste of time.

>>92206919
sure it can, look at Morrison's Action Comics

>>92206832
Are stupid? That was a rhetorical question you moron. Also:
>>92205894
>>92205917
>>92206066
>>92206215
>>92206235
>>92206394
>>92206443
These anons are discussing it, dipshit.

>>92206919
Yes, but it depends on what levels of shit we're talking about here.

>>92206960
>look at Morrison's Action Comics
Not with Rags Morales on art I won't

>>92206968
I think Matt Wagner's Sandman Mystery Theatre pushed it a bit. By I still liked it. At the story I read about the lesbian that got pulled into a crime cult or something.

>>92206884
Sure I can, you just happen to be wrong so it'd be silly of me to change my mind.

>Hey dude the sky is green
>uh no it isn't
>it's painfully obvious you can't be convinced of other things besides your own opinion so why bother?

>>92206931
>waste of time

Extra detail doesn't equal waste of time.

God OP! That's just how REAL women look like!

>>92207053
> Sandman Mystery Theatre
> bad art
Guy Davis is a treasure

>>92207081
but it doesn't look that good. plus most people will look at it for 2 seconds.

>>92207079
anon your opinions are not facts

>>92206820
VERY triggered.

>>92206888
Gee anon it's almost like people are credited when they do work and it's easy to look up said credits on this thing called the WORLD WIDE WEB

>>92207079
>Sure I can, you just happen to be wrong
>not a single argument has been posted
>he's declaring himself the autistic winner
Just go back to /a/. I'm sure other sperges will entertain you for the next couple of hours.

>>92207177
You didn't make an argument either, so I mean...

>>92207112
I remember specifically that the style he used in the comic skirted the line of looking unfinished and sketchy. Although, I haven't read it in a while, I need to buy a copy one day.

>>92206531
well, there's a couple reasons for that
1) Manga is black and white. Comics are typically full color. A lot can go wrong in the coloring stage.
2) Manga is typically fairly simple visually, and the artist is drawing the same dozen or so people for extended periods of time. Comics typically has dozens of characters constantly changing over a short period of time, with sometime complex and unique costumes.
3) Manga artists generally have about 4 hours off a week, and tend to work 16 hour days. Comics is a 9-5 job, with 8-10 hour days at most for artists. That's why you'll have up to five guys working on a comick. Pencils, inks, colors, etc. At any stage, all it takes is one fuck up.

Comparing the quality of the two is pointless. It's like comparing a guy who makes a rowboat by himself to a team of guys who make a sailboat several times larger, and saying that clearly the rowboat is of better quality.

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>>92207118
It's not an opinion that the average mangaka is both the writer and artist for their work, it's a fact.

Go on MAL and go to some random manga, chances are the artist/writer is the same dude.

When the ridiculously too far left decided they wanted fat, ugly, weird yet uncharming designs it gave competent artists an excuse to slack off, and shitty artists an acceptance that is a detriment to their development toward a point beyond the edgy doodles of a 13 year old.

Also, being ethnically diverse doesn't mean you just take any facial feature from any race and slap it on another in some uncanny Picasso doodle. It just looks like you're too dumb to notice your own mistake, and/or believe in anthropology.

As an artist, I just want to say that very few of them are really doing anything visually interesting. I'm not sure if it's due to who they're hiring, the management or writing etc. but an artist has to do something special if they don't want to be interchangeable.

>>92207209
How old are you?

>>92207290
62, you?

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>>92205802
There is a difference between 'ugly' art and 'bad' art. Quinones is usually rock solid, but on America he's been let down by Villarubia - a veteran of the industry - doing a really fucking horrible job. He's overindulging in colour holds (which is when a coloured layer is placed on top of a black line - see the clouds in the last panel of attached pic) and not using them smartly. Colour holds are typically used to push backgrounds further back and let foreground elements pop, but in America's case the priorities are screwed and you have holds placed confusingly across back, middle and foregrounds.

>>92206443
>>92206394
Good posts

>>92207112
I love Davis as much as the next guy, but his Sandman era stuff IS pretty rough sometimes.

>>92207261
This

the instant ability to draw became less important than the race/gender of the artist, the art suffered.

>>92207138
Did you even get the point I was saying?

>>92207296
Fuck, you really are 13 years old.

>>92207329
not him but your not any better

>>92207343
I'm not trying to win a non-existent argument, though.

>>92207313
The inking in America is also trash

>>92207371
But you are tho...

>>92207371
You clearly are

>>92206790
At least they're doing Aquaman soon.

>>92207313
Given that he is someone who has been around, I wonder if it's just a case of experimenting on a book that doesn't really matter.

>>92207400
Mocking you doesn't require winning or losing.

>>92207138
>people are credited when they do work
What kind of fantasy carebear world do you live in?

>>92207313
Generally I only really see him ink the work of his son, does he do inking in general?

>>92207424
I know this is hard to understand, but you can post on 4chan without wanting to prove your intellectual superiority among the bunch of neets.

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>>92205802
Short answer: NO ONE LEARNS TO DRAW ANYMORE.

Long answer: PIC EXTREMELY RELATED EVERYONE ON /co/ NEEDS TO READ THIS

>>92206443
Is that what happened to JRJR? I loved his art when reading Born Again, but he looked bad in Supes. I did think his art did look better in All Star Batman.

>>92206931
Not gonna make it.

>>92205894
>Squirrel Girl! :D So there for the sweet Erica art.
I refuse to believe that this person isn't taking the piss right now.

>I definitely have graphic novels I've never read but are in my MUST HAVE category because they're gorgeous.
On the flip side, I can completely believe that this is true.

>>92207488
if this wasn't about art school I'd think this was from a copy-pasted email from my grandma with FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW in the subject line

>>92206931
They clearly worked over the top of a photo.

I loved the art in Uncanny Avengers, especially how adorable they drew Rogue, but that panel isn't a great example of artistic skill.

>>92207388
Well there's been three inkers on America already (which certainly doesn't help the visual consistency of a book), do you mean any one in particular?

>>92207432
That'd be my guess. Other pros I've spoken too are similarly surprised by it

>>92207458
You mean Joe?

>>92207580
well I know Ming Doyle inked her own pages, but the guys who did Joe Quinones' pages seem like they're just not finishing

>>92207261
No /co/ thread without Cletus posts!

>>92207537
Different inker

Superman he was paired with Klaus Janson on All Star Batman he was paired with Danny Miki who also inked Capullo on Batman.

I'm going to assume that Janson, who was fantastic in the 80's-90's, has changed to digital inking and his work has suffered for it.

>>92207488
Huh, the schools in my area aren't dedicated art schools but they still have figure drawing. This must also be before the internet was a widespread thing.

>>92205802
>Why is the average level of art quality for comics dropping so hard?

>>92207632
Triggered.

>>92207488
>high school animation class
>high school

yeah, it's a fucking bird course. no one gives a shit because it's just a filler program to give people something to do artistically

>>92207537
JRJR didn't do Born Again

he got lazy right around when he stopped doing Spider-man in the mid-2000s, and he only recently started trying again. He really knocked it out of the park with The Dark Knight Returns: The Last Crusade, and he was pretty good on All-Star Batman

>>92207679
Yes, he is.

>>92207488
Shit like this is why I have 0 respect for the majority of modern artists.

>My art looks like that because it's my style
No, you are incapable of drawing anything to actually resemble what it looks like in real life, so you claim it's a style and never do any better. See that one furry artist who that Die Young AMV.

>It looks like that because it's stylized!
This could be a valid argument if the rest of the artist's work didn't look exactly the fucking same. See Morbi, or Hiimdaisy.

>You don't understand, artwork is HARD
No, artwork WAS hard, for the real artists who actually had to be capable of producing good work to even attempt to make a living as an artist. These days you can scribble shit on paper, get a government NEA grant for it since now you are an artist, then hop online and find people who will throw money at you regardless of your actual ability. Art has never been easier to get into or making a living off of, shut the fuck up.

>>92207580
>You mean Joe?
Yeah, I don't really see him do other stuff.

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>>92205802
Is America #3 seriously not out until July? I was enjoying ripping each and every goddman panel of that trainwreck to pieces with /co/, it's the most fun you can have with a Marvel comic now that Nova's been cancelled.

>>92206385
the first artist of moon knight was fucking amazing
not the current one. the current one is fucking terrible at page layouts and can only do square grids while also having this hard outline, cartoony look

>>92207745
Is it? Damn

>>92207783
>>92207745
ComicList is listing it this week.
America #3 (Cover A Joe Quinones), $3.99
America #3 (Cover B Tradd Moore), $AR
America #3 (Cover C Ramon Villalobos), $AR

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>>92207724
Even someone like Adam Warren does lifedrawing despite how stylized his art seems, it's built on the fundamentals

Mingola also posts his figure drawings sometimes

>>92207488

This is nonsense anon and you fell for a meme. The average Marvel and DC book have decent art, shitposters like to take a few books like Hellcat or Squirrel Girl and pretend it's the norm.

>>92205917
Color holds aren't new. That colorist is just a piece of shit.

I thought it might have been because he didn't want to work on the book but his other work is the same way. He's lazy as shit and probably only get the job because hispanic name.

Not that this book is of any particular quality overall but that art is salvageable.

>>92207783
I just Yahoo'd I know some third party distributions site and they say July. Wouldn't be the first time one of those was wrong, though: Orc Stain #8's been coming out every month for three years according to some.

>>92207815
Sweet.

While we're talking about it, anyone want to make some predictions because I have now idea where this trainwreck is going to go.

>>92207815
Oh...good.
I guess.

>>92207877
no one knows because Gabby Rivera is just making it up as she goes, page by page

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>>92205802
Marvel is run by a the biggest fucking penny pincher in the world. The man you print out spider-man with nothing but stick figures if he could get away with it.

>>92206931
Most artists don't draw their own buildings if they work with regularity at a publisher, they hire background artists for that shit.

Other than that, vet artists who do tend to run traces on some buildings, or work directly from kitbashed skylines.

>>92207877
Apparently she's hanging out with the X-Men, so I'm going to go ahead and predict that Bobby becomes her gay handbag and there's a scene with them shopping. The author's retarded self-insert will show up later and xe and America will have the tightest friendship imaginable for another couple of panels before something stupid happens all of a sudden for no raisin and the issue ends on a cliffhanger.

>>92207255
The credited artist sure. Not any of the slave labor working under them that do the work.

>>92207313
>He's overindulging in colour holds (which is when a coloured layer is placed on top of a black line
NO. A colorhold is a bluegrey sheet of color placed before other layers to prevent bleeding that early colorists experienced with the advent of colored printing.

You can see art without color hold in earlier prints of vertigo sandman or other art around that time.

>>92207559
You can hate on Henderson's art all you want, but that doesn't take away the fact she's got a huge fanbase. I'm not into it either and think a few adjustments would vastly improve her work, but I'm not SG's audience anyway so why do I care

>>92207964
No they don't. When have you ever seen someone credited as BG artist in American comics?
Most people these days run an image through a Photoshop filter, lightbox or draw over a 3D model if they don't have the time

>>92208021
Like...who

>>92207845
>because hispanic name.

You disgust me, he's been in the industry for 10+ years. By your logic, the half the artists DC employs are only hired because their hispanic names.

>>92208041
>she's got a huge fanbase
And this is a virtue because...

>>92208041
>No they don't. When have you ever seen someone credited as BG artist in American comics?

Not him but the only time I've seen anything like this is on Gotham Academy and the distinction is that there's specifically a background colorist rather than a background penciller. Kind of a neat effect though it only really worked for me when Kerschl was on pencils.

>>92208074
Gabby Rivera was definitely only hired because of her Hispanic names

also this is just wild speculation but I bet the editorial staff at Marvel saw Shade the Changing Girl with its all-girl team getting love from critics and fans and said "I bet we could do that with Latinos"

>>92208127
I'm guessing it's because she makes the company money so it legitimizes why she's still around even though her art is ugly.

Many other artists don't have a real excuse besides Marvel being too lazy to get decent talent. Should at least start hiring porn artists like DC.

>>92208041
>No they don't. When have you ever seen someone credited as BG artist in American comics?
>Most people these days run an image through a Photoshop filter, lightbox or draw over a 3D model if they don't have the time
You don't credit back ground artists, it's something people in the industry do for extra money.

It's a thing you throw a new artist, or somebody who likes to do it, a few bucks so you can get your pages in on time.

It's ghost writing for artists.

>>92208041
>When have you ever seen someone credited as BG artist in American comics

I know some comic artist do have art assistants, I know Stan Sakai has one. But that thing really fell out when studios went away. Someone like Wally Wood or Neal Adams would have a studio with young artist trying to break into the industry doing grunt work and then one day they would get a bigger task sent their way until they were getting art credit

>>92208127
I'm not saying it is. You were the one expressing disbelief at someone actually liking Henderson's art

>>92207537
JRJR didn't do Born Again

>>92208021

Listen baka, assistants are usually credited in the back of the book which you know if you read them.

>>92208199
You're right in that it is a thing but it's not a very common practice. I've never heard of anyone specifically hired as a background artist per se though, only as an assistant as >>92208204 mentions.

I myself was an assistant, but BGs weren't the only thing I helped with

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>>92208085
I do enjoy some good pencil art.

>>92208074
I don't care how long he's been in the industry his work isn't any good.

>>92208074
DC hires Brazilians because they're cheap not because of their names.

>>92208041
Mckelvie used one on Young Avengers. He's apparently too busy giving everyone same face to do his own background work.

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>>92208422
You should read Batman: Year 100

>>92208503
Is that supposed to convince me? A bit of gradient and some texture overlays? Brand new colorists do that.

>>92205802
It's a medium that is constantly policed by people without talent in order to promote those that would have been dismissed in past eras.

Every so often, let's say Darren Warren Johnson for example. He's been giving it all and does some fantastic work but it's all safe.

Safety as declared by the like mind nature of tumblr's mellow bunch. You can do sexy art but there's tons of rules and if you stray, that's just problematic.

The higher up process is merely an ad branch that has to deal with other ad people, if you can't make money - you're out.

Those are the rules for commercialized art which is North America state of comics.

>>92208556
Yeah but if you're gonna make assumptions based off three panels then I'll let you off, you're clearly committed to disliking his work anyway.

>>92208556
Whatever faggot...

>>92208556
You sound like a guy who doesn't know what Color Theory is.

>>92208393
Is this the same guy who was doing the Injustice comics as of late?

>>92205802
Way to cherry pick.

>>92208684
Like I said. I looked up the guy before. I didn't like his work. It didn't seem any more quality that his work on America.

>>92208713

I don't get why people get this upset when someone doesn't like the work of someone I'm assuming you do.

>>92208717
What does color theory have to do with abusing textures?

>>92208596

This is just a bunch of fluff you just posted with no factual basis aside from you having a some weird agenda against tumblr. Your safe argument is destroyed by the fact that DC hired a porn artist to draw Green Arrow.

Daniel Warrren Johnson is great tho, read Extremity anons.

>>92208176
If America was drawn by Shad, at least we'd have something interesting/horrifying to look at that could pass as "art."

Unlike what we currently have...

>>92205802
>>92205894
Damn, I didn't think about it but at least with DC artists get more exposure or they get the opportunity to grow. I mean they even let Hitch and Manapul write comics even though they're both mediocre at it but they gave them the opportunity.

Ike has been getting cheaper and cheaper and it's affecting the company.

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>>92205802
LIKE A FUCKIN' BOGLIN

>>92205802
Because they haven't learned from the Japanese are doing. The Americans don't view comics as serious work, they don't pour their hearts and souls into it like a mangaka would.

And people wonder why manga continues to dominate...

>>92208960
Has Extremity even been storytimed here yet? DWJ is one of the best new dudes on the scene, give a few years and he'll be HUGE

>>92209260
Case in point - Sean Murphy drawing his own fucking Batman OGN.

>>92209320
Bait harder

>>92208041
>No they don't. When have you ever seen someone credited as BG artist in American comics?

Does Gerhard count? I mean I know Cerebus was a Canadian comic but that's still in North America.

>>92207724
>This could be a valid argument if the rest of the artist's work didn't look exactly the fucking same. See Morbi
Did you miss the April's Fool page where he drew every character realistically?

What you said it's true, but you were wrong for using Morbi as an example.

>>92207632

What exactly was "Cletus" about that post?

Is this just a new /co/ thing? Call people rednecks and leave it at that?

>>92209589
> Did you miss the April's Fool page where he drew every character realistically?
Let's say that I did. What would I have missed?

>>92209442
Can someone draw Jim Lee, Geoff Johns, and Greg Capullo as Pillar Men?

>>92209589
>Did you miss the April's Fool page where he drew every character realistically?
Nope, saw that, but every other piece of art I've seen him do is the same. Doesn't help he does so many lazy shortcuts with his normal "style".

>>92209761
I think it was a reference to that anon who's been doing the real-animal edits, and Morbi decided to do a nod.

Or maybe Morbi was desperate for ideas and just stole the idea from anon. Who the fuck knows?

>>92209749
Ah, it was Cletus because it was gormless ranting about liberals without any provocation. Very much the sort of thing one would expect from a redneck.

I hope that clarified things for you.

>>92209933
wow mate, you really put that bloke in 'is place, what for, pip pip.

>>92207313
as other people mentioned, inking and coloring can make a gigantic difference in art.
90s Vertigo had abismally bad coloring, with many creators complaining about art becoming a gigantic smudge of shit brown.

>>92209990
How the bloody hell did you know I'm an Englishman? It was my use of "gormless", wasn't it?

>>92207255
Most mangakas have a squad of assistants for cleaning things up, and an editor to keep them in check.

>>92207751
> smallwood
> bad art
wut

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>>92205894

>>92210095
Another reason modern art is such shit. So many mouthbreathing fucks telling these shitty artists that their scribbles are equal to Graeme Base.

>>92208021
>>92210072
So why doesn't the west learn from this obviously successful model?

>>92210183

>modern art

Just stop anon, this vague and could mean anything. Age? Style? era? Time frame?

memes

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>>92210183
>Faith Erin Hicks
>a mouthbreathing fuck

I don't think so champ. Calm down there

>>92210285
As in the current state of comic art we have been discussing this entire thread, you pedantic retard.

>>92210325
She's calling Erica Henderson's art good. You can defend Hicks as a person if you want, but there is no defending that opinion, unless you are blind.

>>92210379
Webcomic artists love to suck each other off.

>>92210379
Yeah I am blind, actually. Looks like I can freely defend her then.

>>92210331

But the current state of comic art is great. You're falling for memes or are a meme yourself. There was always "it's my style" type artist in EVERY era of comics, it's just far easier to find now.

You will always find artist praising other artist you may think are crap. I remember reading Stuart Immonen saying he thought Phil Noto was good. Noto is hot garbage while Immonen is a goat level artist but people like different things.

There's nothing modern about this anon, it's just people.

>>92207998
>we'll have an America sub-episode where the author's self-insert takes the lead role

>>92210379
I don't like Henderson's art either, but I also recognize that her work isn't in the realm of what I appreciate anyway. Hicks is entitled to her personal preference, and as a competent artist herself I'm sure she has her reasons for it.

>>92210464
And that's relevant how? One works for Marvel now and the other has her own creator-owned award winning graphic novel series, so I say fair fucks to them

>>92206531
Kek

>>92206066
>Bottom right
What manner of creature is this?

>>92210643
looks like He-man crossed with a cat

>>92210578
>There's nothing modern about this anon, it's just people.
No, it is a modern thing. And I think we all know who's responsible. The liberals.

Just kidding. You're completely right.

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>>92210079
I literally said "page layouts", you illiterate dumpling.

The art isn't that bad though I don't like it uses less realism but I can't really complain. What I can complain about is the page layouts and how Shalvey blew him the fuck out of the water. The usage of both moon knight's cape for the negative space and way of being able to convey various transitions on a single page is absolutely wonderful. I don't even want to think of how Smallwood would have done the sniper taking out various people

>>92205802
When no one buys your comics and you hire toxic people to write, you can't afford to pay good artists enough to keep them.

>>92205802
Because there's no money to be made in it despite being a fairly difficult job given the hard deadlines you've gotta hit and anyone with even a modicum of talent can get more money from any number of other, less stressful jobs.

>>92208146
>Gabby Rivera was definitely only hired because of her Hispanic names
Gabby Rivera isn't the artist.

>>92211345
and?

>>92208960
Yeah but that's DC and after the clean up period was done

Does he still do dick girls in a public sense?

>>92211403
And we were discussing the artist.

>>92211308
I'd say the industry is full of

1. Old pros who are content to coast on previous work or can't find work outside the medium
2. professional fanboys
3. people who are passionate about making comics

The passionate ones used to have to work for the big publishers, but now they have more and more options for passion projects

>>92208032
Tines change grampa, colorhold is used for the former example now.

>>92205894
I knew that there was a reason I liked John Romita so much.
Not so much his spawn.

>>92206143
Long Halloween would like to prove you wrong.