What went wrong??

love interests will kill any show.

>>92191083
That's what you get for wearing a salad to battle you stupid bimbo

>>92191083
You spent too much time watching SU and now you're a cuck I'd guess

>>92191083
It's like an entirely different team made these last 2 episodes. Everything artistic and unique has been replaced by stupid shit.

>>92191083
It's fine

>>92191083
Ha! You wished it was boring.

>>92191083
>>>/tumblr/

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>>92191083
The only good thing about this episode is that /co/ is now finally stopping the constant Genndy dicksucking and realizing just how much of an overrated meme animator he is

>>92191083
Nothing went wrong, all the episodes are equally amazing, you have shit taste

>>92191083
Too much talking to progress story instead of imagery and action to progress story.

This is s core tenant for this show and they got a bit away from it.

>>92191083
We lost the dark feel of episodes 1,2 and 3 when Ashi teamed up with Jack.

If she'd survived and haunted him throughout the rest of the season keeping him paranoid it'd have been cool.

Maybe killing Ashi before finding his sword, allowing him tranquillity for the vision quest.

Also if he had broke down in tears at the suicide scene AFTER ACTUALLY KILLING THE CHILDREN because he lacked the constitution for honourable suicide, rather than Ashi saving him.

Would also like to see an ending where he goes back in time and kills aku, but it's highlighted how he's just wiped clean the world and friends he's made over the past 50 years.

Would love an ending where a visibly distressed Jack walks home to his mother, who hugs him and says "[Jack's real name]! You came home!" i.e. how he can never go back to his original self and is irreversibly scarred.

TL;DR we lost the broken hero.

>>92191083
First three episodes were great because they were actually about Jack.

>>92191083
mm, idk, i like it, it's a nice change of pace from the older seasons

>>92193669
So you just want Jack to be on the verge of suicide, edge-lord, the entire season then.

>>92193677
They are all about Jack.

>>92193714
Jack shit

>>92193697
And Genndy never wanted him to be stoic but CN wanted to air the episodes out of order. Now that Jack started off on a really emotional low, and he's moving on to an emotional high some people on here are depressed. These same fucks probably hate Berserk's current story arc.

It's been great and fun, no idea why /co/ is suddenly turning against it.

Jesus, we finally get a cartoon with fucking EFFORT put into it and you guys STILL hate it.

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Why do you guys want constantly and insufferably for Genndy to take a shit on Jack in every fucking episode? Jack is not and shouldn't be Guts. He is a protagonist of a childish action cartoon. He suffered enough. He deserves to be happy. And in SE5 he grew up a bit. Did you actually wanted Jack back or some broken husk of a former human? If you can't take off your SJW spitefull bullshit glasses down, and appreciate this show for it's awesome editing despite it's simple animation style, it's serious yet childish storytelling and actual character development instead of constant brainless autopilot action - go watch some superficial cartoon network filler crap.

The new season may not be 10/10 but it's pretty close to 8/10. And that's ok. Because you know what? (YOU) don't fucking deserve it and it doesn't need your poison. Jack deserves much better audience than you ungrateful soulless dotard manchild crybabies.

>>92191083
You

>>92194213
This. Holy hell I've never seen such a collection of entitled assholes.

I'm not SUPER into them hooking the two up, and there HAS been some pacing issues, but Jesus Christ, do people here like to exaggerate the problems. /co/ doesn't deserve to have Jack back.

>>92194213
>Jack is not and shouldn't be Guts.
Holy shit man, this is so on point.

>>92191083
It just feels like the show has lost so much of its vision and momentum behind it, I still enjoy it but it has gone from a 9/10 to a 6/10.

Stuff like Jack using all those different weapons in different ways against different enemies was great, and so were all the long quiet shots of scenery or other dramatic things. It just feels like all the fun ideas (Scaramouche, Jack's different weapons, the 7 sisters) have all been drained away and not really left us with anything interesting to compensate, I mean, stuff like the factory episode, the "Ashi walks around and sees stuff Jack did" episode, that stupid battle scene all just feel like they should have been refined into better ideas and I have a hard time even remembering they exist. As a character, Ashi is alright, but she isn't really bringing anything new to the table other than "Girl Jack".

Like I said, I still enjoy the show, and I hope it picks back up, but I it definitely has some flaws that just feel like people should have known better than to let them get so bad.

>>92194213
>He suffered enough. He deserves to be happy
Yes and that's why he should've finally went to the past after Aku's inevitable defeat and hooked up with his medieval japanese princess like a man who hasn't forgotten his purpose.

>>92193529

Wise words.

>>92194118
They turn against anything, that is why you shouldn't take everything you see serious.

>>92194213
>"protagonist of childish action cartoon"
yea no fuck off, noones being a sjw, its just that the show is shit and made like some cringy semi-nsfw garbage. also somehow by saving people for years and years and years to the point hes recognized by everybody and considering how old he is now, he has definitely not grown used to women throwing themselves at him. its actually like he got younger and more immature. the show has lost all it used to be

>>92194213
>He suffered enough. He deserves to be happy
Right on spot. To be honest though, that romance does not even anger me because I have seen worse. In fact, seeing Jack back to his original self makes me happy.

>>92194213
Disu

>>92191504
>lol look how stupid she is wearing plants
Said the guy lwearing cotton

>>92191083

I get the feeling that people who shit on Samurai Jack now are similar to those Japanese nerds who go full retard the minute the author of a series pairs up their waifu/husbando with another character. It's hilarious but also sad at the same time.

>>92194383
This is like arguing with people that can't "appreciate" nothing but photorealistic art; Jack is a good show not because his internal story/world logic are impeccable but because he is a spiritual treasure and a moral spearhead for audiences drowned in purely consumeristic materialism that is the mainstream animation of today. The message is loud and clear because it's meant for our hearts and our inner child, not our nitpicking analytical mind. It's meant to be a pleasent dream, not a bloddy tax report.

everything went right

>>92194213
He can get his grill, nobody cares about that. But it shiuld have happened off screen.

>>92194745
No it shouldn't, that would've been retarded.

>Female costume gets lewdly torn
I thought you people said Jack was a good show, not cliche sexist garbage.

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>>92194570
not just that, but is also completly irrelevant to actual show quality.

>>92194570
Wasn't there some japanese VA who had to apologise to his fans once a pic surfaced of him wearing an engagement ring?

>>92194831
Shut up tumblr

>>92194213
this. holy shit /co/ is no fun

>>92191522
>You spent too much time watching SU and now you're a cuck I'd guess
>SUfag not being all over shipping
What?

>>92191083
Nothing went wrong.

>>92194118
I don't feel like any effort was put into Ashi switching sides or the romance.

>>92191083
The fuck is the harem anime bullshit?

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Ashi was created for the sole reason of being a waifu and shipper-bait, I should've seen it coming since she complimented Jack's shaved face, I really hope the final two episodes are better than this filler junk.

>>92195447
Stay salty faggot

>>92194213
>Strawmanning every complaint as if they're just bitching about superfluous shit like ships or edgyness
The character development is bad. You have Jack not killing Ashi even though he killed every other daughter of aku, pure plot convenience given the fact that he literally just dropped her to her death without care. You had Ashi going from "kill samurai jack" at every opportunity to being completely reformed in the span of two episodes. The pacing is awful, everything is rushed, whether or not it's the 10 episode limit's fault is completely irrelevant.

>instead of constant brainless autopilot action
So you never watched Samurai Jack

>>92194458
Joke's on you I am wrapped in plastic foil.

>>92195550
Have you even watched the episodes? Jack doesn't kill Ashi because he already felt kinda bad about killing teenagers and then he learns they were just lied to, he also feels very lonely.
It's also clearly shown that during her training, Ashi was curious about the outside world (the deers, her looking outside, trying to help her sister...), and Jack saved her life multiple times when she decided not to kill him. Even after that she was still skeptical. I don't see how it was "rushed", if it was any slower the whole season would be about Ashi's reformation. You're grasping at straws.

>>92193529
Agreed, this board is just being /co/ntrarian just like everything on 4chan. If it's not some obscure weeb content is shit.

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>>92195550
>SAMURAI JACK WAS THE BEST ACTION CARTOON EVER
>it comes back
>"Uhh, the action kind of sucks"
>Y-Y-you just never watched it before it was always like that

>>92193528
>he doesn't know about SJ hate after episode 3

>>92195606
>Have you even watched the episodes? Jack doesn't kill Ashi because he already felt kinda bad about killing teenagers and then he learns they were just lied to, he also feels very lonely.
Did you watch it? He relieved the guilt he felt from killing the first sister with the flashback of the emperor killing other humans. Jack didn't even know Ashi was the special one who wanted to explore the outside world, it's just plot convenience that she was the last one left and didn't die.

>and Jack saved her life multiple times when she decided not to kill him
She attacked Jack any chance she got inside that monster, even while Jack was fighting the bug creatures to protect her, like I said earlier, there is nothing more special about Ashi than the other sisters in Jack's perspective. She even raised her weapon to kill him after they finally got out (although I don't have a problem with this scene at the end of episode 4, just the fact that she makes a complete reform not even fucking halfway into episode 5)

>I don't see how it was "rushed", if it was any slower the whole season would be about Ashi's reformation. You're grasping at straws.
She stopped attacking Jack at the very end of episode 4. 12 minutes into episode 5 and she's already on Jack's side completely, it takes even less time because that includes the scene with the scotsman and aku.

>>92195689
This is obviously a pacing problem. But I doubt it couldn't be repaired with a few more episodes, making it hard to blame on Genndy or anyone in the development crew since this is a production flaw.

Samurai Jack was never great for its story. The story was always a pile of generic cliches and the show was always style over substance. You need to set aside your nostalgia, and not watch it for the pretty scenes or give a shit about the plot.

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>>92195748
>making it hard to blame on Genndy or anyone in the development crew since this is a production flaw.
I'm not one of the anons shitposting that "Genndy is a hack."

>>92193669
>TL;DR we lost the broken hero.
That was always gonna happen, man. You could tell just by the redesign; characters don't grow a depression beard unless they're gonna shave it off at some point in the story.

>>92195774
*and JUST watch it for the pretty scenes

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>>92195490
>le salty ad-hominem meme
You were so butthurt that you couldn't come up with any counter-argument and chose to use the salty meme, now who's the salty one here?

>>92195689
>Did you watch it? He relieved the guilt he felt from killing the first sister with the flashback of the emperor killing other humans. Jack didn't even know Ashi was the special one who wanted to explore the outside world, it's just plot convenience that she was the last one left and didn't die.
How does that invalidate anything I said? Every story have some plot conveniences or coincidences. Jack had reasons not to kill her, he didn't, and it turned out she was "special". Big deal.

>there is nothing more special about Ashi than the other sisters in Jack's perspective
It doesn't matter, Jack was lonely and broken and he saw a misguided girl so he saved her to have someone to talk to. He could've killed her like the others and was even thinking about it, but he felt it was the wrong thing to do.

>She stopped attacking Jack at the very end of episode 4. 12 minutes into episode 5 and she's already on Jack's side completely, it takes even less time because that includes the scene with the scotsman and aku.
You see sign of her doubting Aku since the very beginning, and Jack saves her and talk to her during episode 4. Seeing Jack not kill a bug or something was the last straw that really made her think™, then Jack just showed her that she was wrong, and she could do nothing but see the truth.

>>92195775
I'm just saying that in a perfect world the crew would be able to deliver the story they envisioned. Hell, on a perfect world it would have ended 13 years ago.

I'm just happy Jack is getting closure soon. Doesn't matter if it's good or bad, he deserves an ending, even 13 years later.

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>>92191083
NO Love interests don't kill ANY show. Is just you and most of people on 4chan are eternal virgins so any fictional character geting laid will automtically trigger you to no end.

>>92191479
Fpbp
You have to understand that after episode 3 it started to just unchain and be about Jack wins a girl.
Didn't help how filler like the episodes have been as well.
Bascily of Jack killed all the sisters and continued his journey for the sword we likely would have had a more fleshed out Aku Scotsman and Jack narrative. As it stands everything is going to be rushed right up to the end.

Reminder that the first 3 episodes everyone praises so much at the least like the original show of all the ones aired so far. I honestly feel like Genddy was like "aw yeah gonna make it more mature because AS" then he realized he didn't like that and shifted everything to be more like the old show.

>>92194213
You shouldn't excuse shitty writing because it's "happy"

>>92194213
this.

>>92195874
>"Something is poking me."

>>92195851
>How does that invalidate anything I said?
You said he felt bad about killing them, when he shows no remorse outside of killing the first sister. He already came to his conclusion that he was not doing wrong.

>Jack had reasons not to kill her
No he didn't, he literally tries to kill her at the end of episode 3 by dropping her off of a ledge where presumably the other sisters died. There is no reason as to why he didn't finish her off as soon as she started attacking him when they went inside the monster.

>>92195894
What? The later episodes of season 5 are much less like the original series. They're full of dialogue and don't progress the story through action. Not to mention that Ashi steals screentime from Jack and Aku.

>>92191576
This. It's borderline fanfiction tier at this point.

>>92191479
I wouldn't necessarily say kill any show coz if done right can seem genuine it's that,
>enemies yesterday, lovers today
I can understand Genndy wanting to make a sappy ending and give Jack what he want yet the relationship between Ashi and Jack came out way too fast,
>episode six "I'm going to kill you!"
>episode seven "I see you for who you really are!"
>episode eight "I love you!"
Yeah, Ashi has been "special" from her sisters since from birth and all, I used episode six coz that was really the turning point when she saw Jack didn't kill the ladybug.

>>92194213
I don't want Genndy to take a shit on Jack. I just don't buy him getting over all of his demons as was presented. Jack's main dilemmas in Episode 1 were

>Aku destroyed all of the time portals.
>I lost the magic sword and can't beat him if he comes after me.
>I feel as though I've failed my family by not saving them from Aku.
>Am I even doing any good here in the future? I've been here for 50 years.

Of those, it feels like only the last one is addressed. There was no moment where Jack just resolves to himself that he will stay in the future and that he laments not being able to help his people, but what's past is past. He just suddenly fights off the Honda guy and then goes back to doing his old Samurai thing without explanation.

And, I mean, the show is called Samurai Jack so obviously he was going to. I just wish there was more closure to what was set up as a multi-episode character arc.

Also, and this is a minor gripe, Episode 8 should have happened before Episode 7. There was no need for him to even have the magic sword in the latest episode since it didn't do anything the katana he had against Honda couldn't have.

>>92193669
Nigga it's SJ not fucking Apocalypse Now.

People are criticizing the later half of this season because of how fucking amazing the first 3 (or 4) chapters were.
But the truth is, the current chapters are much closer in tone and quality to the original series than they want to admit. The first half of this season was the real outliner, not the recent chapters.
i rewatched the entire series before s05 premiere. It was a 7-8 out of 10. Cool, but clearly flawed.

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>>92194213
This

I'll admit the pacing is off, and so far it's been the only really valid complaint, Genndy should have gone with longer episodes, something along an hour or so, although with the expenses of animation, that might not have been feasible.

Just about everything else has either been shitposting or straight up bitching

>>92195953
To be fair, it was more like

>Episodes 1 - 4: "I'm going to kill you!"
>End of Episode 4 - Episode 7: "I see you for who you really are!"
>Episode 8: "I love you!"

>>92195975
I think the main problem with that is that Episodes 1 - 3 were what were primarily used to advertise the new Season. I guess some people feel bait-and-switched a bit?

>>92195975
People hyped themselves so much that they forgot that SJ is not a masterpiece and always had the issues we are seeing now.

>>92193714
>all about Jack
>all
>episodes begin to give focus on Ashi and her quest for the Samurai
May as well give Ashi her own spin-off at this point.

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>>92195994
>Always had the issues we are seeing now
So, just because it's SJ, the writers can't see the issues themselves and try to fix them? It's just always going to be flawed?

>>92193714
Jack had like 5 minutes of screentime in episode 6

>>92195920
>when he shows no remorse outside of killing the first sister

Wrong. He argues with Ghost Jack inside the monster about killing the other sisters.

>There is no reason as to why he didn't finish her off

He just chose not to kill her, we don't need a reason. You know, killing is bad and all that stuff, if he can spare her, then why not?

>People are using the "only 10 episodes!!" excuse to defend the shit pacing
This excuse might've worked if there weren't literal filler episodes you could remove without affecting the season at all.

>>92196021
Yes, because people are people and make mistakes. New ones would have just appeared. Also it's mostly about how annoying it is to see people shit on the new season for issues that where in the original while praising the original to high heaven as if it did not have those flaws.

>>92193735
>Now that Jack started off on a really emotional low, and he's moving on to an emotional high some people on here are depressed
Nothing wrong with Jack moving on to the emotional high, it's that Genndy, as any creator would've opted for went with the "Love is all you need" type of emotional high: win the girl, rebuild the lost future that could've been together, tell your children as they are sitting by the fire.

Some prolly expected Jack's emotional high to circumvent around more of a spiritual, self-discovery, Übermunsch's journey to reclaim what he desire.

>>92195689
The guilt was not completely relieved. Remember the crows calling him a murderer?

>>92195874
I think it's the reprobate faggots who get mad at straight relationships.

>>92196069
But this is the VERY LAST season. The ending. The fucking conclusion.
Why would you allow issues so glaring like awful pacing, after 13 years?
I could understand that maybe it wasn't Genndy's fault that it was only ten episodes but that doesn't excuse shitty writing either.

>>92196084
It's pretty cliche overrall. You know, chosen one, magic sword, lawful good hero becomes chaotic good hero then reverts back to lawful good, fighting against the manifestation of all evil. The only thing missing was a love interest, and it's a pretty good one as well.

>>92191083
(you)

>>92194118
Quit pontificating Genndy's ego.

New and final season of Samurai Jack is as flawed as any other cartoon.

Just because the show was revived from the dead doesn't mean any effort was put into it Genndy had a better idea and control of how he wanted it to end since ge had the idea in his mind for years.

And it still turned out decent.

Are you going to say the same about the Hey Arnold and Invader Zim movies too? "EFFORT they put some much EFFORT into it!"

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>>92195984
This.

I'm not too much of a fanboy to admit that the season could've used another 2-5 episodes. But once you get past that, the show is pretty damn great.

>>92196120
Nah definetely virgins. You can tell by all the repressed anger, closeted gays are usually depressed and more accepting.

>>92196059
And what episodes would that be?

>>92196150
>the season could've used another 2-5 episodes
This. I am in a weird spot with the new episode, I thought it was funny, really entertaining and I enjoyed watching it but with three episodes left I felt it was a waste at the same time.

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>>92194213
This, this so much

>>92196174
Agreed. But it'll all work out in the end, anon, the finale will be good, no matter the outcome. I believe in it.

>>92196059
>Muh filler
This season always had a very clear storyline:
>Jack is depressed and almost killed
>Jack convert ashi to his side and kicks off his depression
>Jack goes for aku.
What you wanted? 4 episodes of jack and the scottsman being omnious tracing an attack plan we only going to see during the last battle? If we took the depression stuff out of the series it could as well be over in 2 episodes.
Just because the series didnt took the direction you wanted, it dont make it filler.

>>92195984
Also, people are seriously overstating the pacing issues. They're noticable but hardly bad enough to ruin the show.

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>>92191083
It's another "/co/ can't handle female protagonists or male protagonists in relationships" episode

I liked how the romantic and action musics melded when they were fighting the tiger-men.

>>92191083
Shit Taste: The Post

Will the last episode be longer? Like 40 mins or something?

>>92196225
People just want something to shit on.

>>92194213
Nobody expected Jack to turn out to be Guts. At least, not me.

In Samurai Jack's Cartoonnetwork era he had to be a stotic hero and now in the Adult Swim era he is a fatalistic hero - it prolly caused dissonance in some viewers with some favouring one version of Jack over the other when Jack has always been like this since day one, episode one. Back then, Genndy was more subtle with conveying Jack, yet now, all he did was remove that subtly.

The core theme have always been the same too - always finding a way. Hell, Jack went through some dark times too in the older series and came out with hope. This time Genndy added romance unto that facet of hope on Jack's voyage.

>>92196336
I think it's because it's the only obvious legitimate complaint about the series so it's the one everyone jumps on when they want to shitpost.

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/co/ and tumblr have more in common than they think.

>>92196430
They should just merge 4chan and Tumblr at this point. Same discourse, different reasons.

>>92195447
>Ashi was created for the sole reason of being a waifu and shipper-bait
What did you expect? Samurai Jack is inspired by Genndy's affinity for Asian cinema and there's no doubt he like anime too.

He want to please his Sempai and hope Sempai notices him. Leave Genndy alone.

>>92196120
>>92196163
keep circlejerking, anyone without blinders on can tell that the quality has dipped HARD.

>>92196457
Isn't she 17-18 and he 19-20 (physically, that is)? 3 years isn't much.

>>92196493
The fun thing is that both sides are notorious for hate, and are being triggered by love

>>92196167
Not him, but the most recent episode is a good example. Besides the forced romance, it did absolutely nothing to progress the story.

>>92196430
I mean, it's true though. It's just getting tiring. Every time there's a main guy and main girl, it's like some unspoken rule that they HAVE to get together by the end. Writers already have enough trouble writing girl characters who are layered characters instead of just "girl". I'm really bored of it.

>>92196426
Ashi shouldn't even be in season 5. Who thought it was smart to introduce a brand new character and try to develop them in 10 episodes while balancing Jack's development and conclusion of the series? It's not just pacing that is hurting this season.

I find it weird how season 5 fanboys act as if dissenters are just shitposting when the fanboys are the ones calling everyone a contrarian, a virgin, or an anti-sjw for disliking an aspect of the season.

>>92196544
The internet truly is the Devil's workshop.

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>>92194213

Finally someone speaks sense.

In not saying this show is perfect (Damn close) but the complaints by /co/ and the rest of 4chan is as bad as the Fucking Tumblr crowd.

This is not the sopranos or the wire, it's Fucking SJ and not some realistic portral of depression.

This abone hit the nail on the head, this is not Berserk, it's not meant to be ultra depressing, the 1st 3 episodes were especially dark because Jack has hit rock bottom.

There is some real complaints I will acknowledge but to say the quality dropped after episode 3 is absurd, this return has been fantastic and beautifully executed. I am extremely excited to see how they are going to end the show now.

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>>92196457
>sjwwidowmaker

>>92196589
But what's there to dislike other than the pacing that isn't it THAT off? People just like to shit on a good thing to ruin other people's enjoyment of that good thing.

>they defeat aku and find a time portal he had hidden in his lair
>both go back in time
>jack's parents love ashi and they all live happily ever after
calling it

>>92196735
>they go back in time and defeat Aku in the past
>Ashi dies because there's no Aku in the future, so she can't exist
>Jack lives on as a blood thirsty warlord that indirectly killed the woman he loved

Not gonna happen though

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I have no problem with the episode but uhh.. Is anyone planning to redraw/reedit this scene? It looks kinda off. Maybe the lips?

>>92195874
pretty fucking much.

It became like a weird teenage love interest comedy? I guess Genndy had waifuitis all along.

>>92196834
I figure they're gonna go with some magic excuse for her still existing, if they even make an excuse and it doesn't just happen.

Could also see them going the multiple timelines route so there'd be no question of whether Jack should angst over causing all those people to not exist.

>>92191083

>First 3 episodes

That's the problem

The first 3 episodes were nothing like the original show, it was basically the first 3 episodes of Season 1

4-onward has actually been SJ level episodes

>>92195883
>Fpbp
Fresh off the boat, from reddit, kid? heh I remember when I was just like you. Braindead. Lemme give you a tip so you can make it in this cyber sanctuary: never make jokes like that. You got no reputation here, you got no name, you got jackshit here. It's survival of the fittest and you ain't gonna survive long on 4chan by saying stupid jokes that your little hugbox cuntsucking reddit friends would upboat. None of that here. You don't upboat. You don't downboat. This ain't reddit, kid. This is 4chan. We have REAL intellectual discussion, something I don't think you're all that familiar with. You don't like it, you can hit the bricks on over to imgur, you daily show watching son of a bitch. I hope you don't tho. I hope you stay here and learn our ways. Things are different here, unlike any other place that the light of internet pop culture reaches. You can be anything here. Me ? heh, I'm a judge.. this place.... this place has a lot to offer... heh you'll see, kid . . . that is if you can handle it...

>>92196929
Yeah, definetely timelines. Ashi has to exist for Aku to be defeated so they are going for that Lost twist if that's the case

>>92196929
The thing is they have to go multiple timelines if they want Jack to get to the past. Aku won, if Jack wins that will create a paradox where Jack never won because for him to go back and stop Aku, Aku needs to win, but Aku just lost.

>>92196134
>But this is the VERY LAST season. The ending. The fucking conclusion.

YES, the ending that we didn't know we were going to get, 13 years have passed


you are just a contrarian bitch, no wonder you don't have friends and dates

>>92196141
>New and final season of Samurai Jack is as flawed as any other cartoon.

the new Samurai Jack may be the best cartoon airing right now

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>>92195874
Incel faggots should just kill themselves honestly.

>>92191576
You mean last 5 episodes.

Anyone who unironically defends 4 and/or 6 is a fucking retard.

>>92191576
not really, the visuals and audio has been top notch especially the sandstorm scene. It's obviously the same team but Genndy just wants to explore a more optimistic ending for Sam, either to make things get ridiculously dark later or tie up nicely. The plot is more interesting if Jack is torn between love for the past and future.

>>92191083
By "first three episodes" did you mean "first half of the first episode"? It went downhill from there.

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>>92191083
>first 3 eps were good rest is shit
getting real tired of this meme

I just wish it wasn't done completely fucking terrible.
>Jack and Ashi normally completely fine doing things together
>this entire episode: "oops, sorry, my bad, whoops, clumsy, oh whoopsy, I didn't mean-"
>Ashi clearly knows the stigma of nudity, having made herself a grass clothes
>LOL JACK IDK WHY UR FREAKIN OUT IM JUST NAKED LOL
>a day, maybe two after "uh whoops sorry" starts, random kiss because we don't have literally anything better to end with
>"SOMETHING IS POKING ME"
I know it's a half-sized season, but they really didn't spend enough time with them in any friendly frame of reference aside from mentor/student. Hell, S1 did a one-episode love interest better, because it used montages to show them working and growing together with mutual trust and respect over probably a week or more. This was on-screen togetherness for at most a couple of days, and we saw very, very little of it.

>>92194831
but jack ends up almost naked 90 percent of the time.

>>92197247
What's wrong with 4?

>>92191479
/thread

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>>92196387
>all he did was remove that subtly.
And the whole thing collapses.

>>92196430
I really liked the pairing from the very beginning, I just don't like the execution. It's lazy.

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>>92191083
i would guess that most fans of samurai jack are happy with the season so far, but the first three episodes appealed to a wider audience, and it's mostly those people that are disappointed
the show is still very similar and with some slight modifications, last epsiode could easily be an old episode form previous seasons
jack meets woman on giant camel, they escape together, mild sexual tension (like with josephine or ikra), in a spaceship (jack in space), strange alien (he fought aliens/mutants all the time), near nudity (jack is naked), jack kissing to dean martin (jack vs. dean martin)
nothing too new for the series

this episode was cringy as fuck good lord

>>92191083
I get salty about a lot of stuff to do with media i love
but i dont see what people are mad about here, its not inconstant with anything that jack would have a love interest

>>92193529
This. Stop being faggots.

>End credits set to a song that started playing in the final scene, that isn't the usual end credits song

confirmed kino

>>92196008
Would watch and jerk off to

aren't they setting up ashi's brutal death at the hands of aku? don't worry, jack will be miserable again

i think most people's problem boils down to only having ten episodes for all of this. who doesn't want more?

>>92196430
There's a reason why this board is called /co/mblr.

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>>92194213
I feel like the /co/mrades getting so buttflustered about the direction of the series after episode 3 are either too stupid to appreciate the themes of the show or have some pathetic axe to grind regarding romantic relationships.

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>>92198025
People are always looking for something to bitch about, and half the time it's not even the right thing to bitch about in the first place is there ever really is anything that fits those parameters.

>>92191083
It really does feel like Genndy didn't have a clear direction for where he wanted to take this season. The past few episodes feel so separate in tone, pacing, and theme compared to the first three, that it's almost a different show at this point.

>>92191083
The tone changed drastically and now the fandom's split over the kind of Jack they wanted. I guess if you don't know how to end a series, just stir some drama and people will talk about it for ages.

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The theme of the series is overcoming depression and falling in love - no wonder half of 4chan is triggered.

>>92191083
The basics went wrong. The whole concept is way below what we are used to get from Samurai Jack.

It took everything good about it and added everything that is wrong with this industry today.

>>92198094
>People are always looking for something to bitch about

Where the fuck was the bitching for episodes 1-3 you faggot? It's time to stop using this retarded excuse every time critique is presented. People are bitching because it's bad, not because there is any gain to bitching.

>>92198304
I personally found the first three episodes to be lackluster because of grimdark PTSD Rambo Jack, Michael Bay explosions, those stupid Emoji doges, that Aku therapist scene, ect. Scaramouche made it all worthwhile, though.

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>>92194213
The first episode ended with Jack fighting a gay skibidy bop Sammy Davis robot, and we generally loved that. We aren't asking for it to be really dark, we just want it to stop feeling like the blander episodes of the original run.

I might be in the minority here but the use of Dean Martin, the cut to black, and cut back to the make out was A+ stuff. The rest of the episode was an awkward mess of some of the most underwhelming set pieces the show could offer.

>>92198280
This

>>92195874

>implying it's not the opposite way round, that people are too caught up in telling themselves that being in a relationship is worth it that they'll let any story that reinforces that notion pass without regard to the actual quality of the story.

Stop trying to find scapegoats and focus on the defending the actual story. Because the way I see it, we've lost everything that made this new season interesting (broken jack, had to use improvised weaponry, antagonists that were a major threat to him) and all we got to replace it is an awkward as fuck romance plot, the writers fucking know this which is why they are wrapping things up in the next couple of episodes.

>>92191083
>not muh the post

>>92195874
this desu

link??

>>92200422
Echoing this. Also missed out on last week's episode, so if anyone happens to have the Mega for that and the latest one, that would be aces.

I don't get how people can say this episode was bad other than them just not wanting the romance and throwing a fit.

1-3 we're great. 4 was OK. 8 was good.

It's 5-7 that we're bad in places. The show knew it needed to reform Ashi and have Jack defeat his demons, and they rushed it.

>>92196430
>tumblr and tumblr have more in common than they think
Hmm

>>92198280
Spot on

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>>92196163
any adult who watches cartoons is a virgin, LMAO

>>92191083
Last episode had that same qyirky humor that episodes like jack and the dragon or jack gets naked did.

Only this served served the plot so im cool with it

>>92194213
>He suffered enough. He deserves to be happy.
That happiness should have been written better.

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>>92194213
>Jack is not and shouldn't be Guts
Couldn't have said it better myself.

Are you telling me a 22 minute long sex metaphor ending in Dean Martin wasn't hilarious to you?

>>92200103
> the writers fucking know this which is why they are wrapping things up in the next couple of episodes.
You do know it was always gonna be 10 episodes regardless of whatever happened in the story, right?

>>92195953
To be fair, convinving Ashi that Jack is good and Aku is evil is not a very difficult task. I buy that it happened relatively fast.

>>92194213
>pants under kilt
Guess he wasn't a real Scotsman after all.

>>92191576
Where are those cool action black banners now?

>>92193529
>equally amazing
Well no. First 3 episodes are just a step above, but the later episodes are still grand. I agree that /co/ is in full blown /tv/ mode though

As was its destiny...

I want a koki from ashi's ashis

>>92198238
He did have a direction. This was it. It wasn't what you wanted but that's life.

>>92194326
The only reason you say it's bad is because it didn't have the type of shit you wanted, and it didn't do the shit you wanted it to do. I felt this was going to happen starting on episode 1. That's why I kept telling people not to have absurdly high expectations. The show would never ever meet them.

>>92195814
Why would someone who got what they wanted not laugh at those who've dipped their bodies in salt.

>>92195606
He's what we would call a Spee D. reader: Someone who doesn't pay attention to something and wants something spelled out to him for instant gratification.

>>92196387
Genndy didn't want him to be a stoic hero. He was forced to do that so they can air the episodes out of order. He said that CN didn't want to air an episode where he was pissed and dark and then bright and cheery in the next.

>>92201108
It isn't over yet according to the storyboard leak of episode 9 that were released before episode 1.

>>92198280
truth

>>92191479
It's not even that she's a love interest, it's that the show has increasingly gone from Samurai Jack to Samurai Jack and Ashi to The Journey of Ashi featuring Samurai Jack. I actually don't mind the idea of the character: someone who was a thoughtless servant of evil who winds up having her beliefs challenged and her slow journey to atone for the sins she's committed is perfectly fine; like an American Rurouni Kenshin or something.

The problem is that it should've been its own show and not hijacked another one.

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>>92191083
BEHOLD, THE TRUE FACE OF /CO/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bb5KVQe0EPI

>>92196225
On the contrary, I think pacing kills most of any piece of media.

>>92196704
Someone needs to redo this image with more than just tumblr shooting.

>>92195994
Samurai Jack always had poorly written mary sue love interests? News to me.

I like how one sided this "guy gets girl" thing is. It's more Ashi being lucky to get the Jack rather than Jack getting the Ashi.

>>92204042
I feel like they're both lucky. The perfect mirror of their individual storylines really does work well together.

>>92201427

Yeah? It still means the writers have a job to make sure there is always a hook to keep the viewer interested. If there were more episodes to go they wouldn't have had so many plot points wrapped up like this.

My guess is they just wanted one episode of Jack and Ashi's adventuring together before having shit hit the fan.

>>92194213
>MUH CUMFEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>92191479
fpbp

>>92191083
This episode was fun

>Tiger Assassins
>Shinobi Music
>Some good humour
>The entire final sequence was a 10/10, probably even more since /co/mblr is still bitching
>The entire episode being a visual metaphore for sex

It has so many episode of classic Samurai Jack, from visual storytelling to the bizarre humour. Plus, a happy ending.

>>92196027
The entire episode was about Jack's impact on the world, tho.

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You guys either aren't aware, or have forgotten, that the whole of Samurai Jack was inspired by dreams Genndy use to have as a kid. Dreams where he'd wander a futuristic wasteland as a samurai, fighting off mutants with his childhood crush.

This was always intended.

>>92198280
>>92197181
>>92195874
>>92196430
I forgot how shitty /co/ can be.

>>92191083
what are you talking about anon? there's nothing wrong with Samurai Jack just gayfags crying cause Ashi isn't homosexual.

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>>92198280
Puffball savagely on point as usual

>>92191083
Genndy dropped the shark. That's what happened.

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>>92203649
>that thumbnail
This will be good.

>>92206055
this is fucking hilarious

>>92205761
Only shitty thing was how they defeated the monster.

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>>92206055
>they hired this guy to do Jack's voice
>they didn't hire the guy with the best Jack imitation out there

https://youtu.be/jc_9WddI42I#t=01m3s

>>92191479
Correct.

Shipping is cancer and anyone who likes it should feel bad.

>>92206055

JACKED

>>92198304
Fucking this

Nostalgiafags can't accept that criticisms aren't just from tumblrinas

>>92191479
fpbp.

That time wasted on Ashi could've been used to further develop Jack's issues or redemption arc, or could've given more screentime to major characters from the original seasons, like Scotsman or Aku (the fucking antagonist of the show.)

>>92206055

marvin

>>92191083
The tone was set real fucking dark for some reason, like shockingly dark when I first started watching it felt like a different show, I mean he was haunted by thoughts of suicide manifesting in a samurai death ghost ever present and stalking him

This means when it snapped back to what SJ always was it felt wrong purely because the tone that was set up was wrong for the rest of the season; they either went too dark to begin with or they lightened up too much

>>92194213
>Jack is not and shouldn't be Guts.
T h i s

>>92206055
>>92207946
>mfw Aku accidentally kills Jack in the finale

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>>92198304
>>92207696
There was so much nitpicking over animation errors it wasn't funny, especially in episode three. Countless dozens of individual posts were dedicated to pointing out every inconsistency and animation error they could possible find, all while spitting out the "Genndy is a Hack" card. Don't play dumb.

You people bitch so much that when you find something new to cry about, you nearly forget your previous complaint.

>>92208526
Lol those were animation errors, I was talking about the shitty storyline, friend. How often was there a complaint about the show story-wise for episodes 1-3 in comparison to the rest of the show, especially with the last two-three episodes? I don't give a fuck about animation errors but if you're willing to ignore the fact that this show is less than ideal than what the /co/ hivemind says then I can't really reason with you

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>>92208526
OH, and let's not forget the contrarian backlash against Scaramouch, what with everyone calling him a "meme character" and the like. Simply because he was goofy and upbeat got a very vocal group of whiner;s attention, claiming that Genndy didn't know whether he wanted his show to be "truly grimdark" or whatever-the-fuck.

Other bitched non-stop about Jack's samurai armor, claiming it looked gaudy and stupid.

Yet again, they threw fits when Jack offed the first sister, then went full Michael Myers on the others. They were calling Jack a murderer, calling the show, edgy, blah blah blah.

Criticism is actually pointing out a core element that may be awry, such as the pacing, which even the most die hard fanboy is going to have to admit, was fucked this season by a ten episode limit. Unfortunately. people wold rather nitpick at the surface than make any core observations. On top of that, you have the people who just flat out bitch and moan over the direction of the series, indicating more of a loud and obnoxiously voiced preference than an actual criticism. Whether it was "nyeh, Jack killing now, 2edgy4me" or "Waahh, Jack is in a romance and is happy, this is such bullshit, wahh."

There, that is the difference between criticism and what has been going on here.

>>92208815
If it's not errors, it's the storyline. I saw it coming the moment you guys started bitching about inconsistencies. The only ones starting threads are you guys.

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C U T E
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>>92208864

>it's not criticism unless I agree with it

>>92208894
What are you even trying to argue?

>>92208180
Genndy said he originally wanted to do dark lows and cheery highs but CN wanted to air the episodes out of order, so they went with stoic.

>>92208987
Every day of the fucking week, I see the same bitching and moaning. It's about how they want to ruin a guy's career because it didn't go in the direction of their headcanon. I sure as fuck saw the direction of the series from episode 1 where Ashi was introduced. It was completely obvious for me.

The biggest problem is this. Rather than just keeping it in one thread, you guys just keep making the same thread over and over again.

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>>92208944

>>92208946
Not him but It's subjective criticism (an opinion). Objective criticism is something else. He's not completely right about it.

>>92208180
>>92208999
This season's problems have basically nothing to do with the tone, and almost everything to do with amateur writing. The tone is almost perfect actually

>>92208944
In profile, she's cute.
Catch her from the sides and she's a hideous monster.

>>92209148
>This season's problems have basically nothing to do with the tone, and almost everything to do with amateur writing.

Pacing is a major issue as well.

>>92209273
You're right, can't forget about that one, but actually the writing itself (dialogue and overall plot) has been the primary issue. The pacing would have been bearable if the writing were original SJ level.

>>92209120

>objective criticism

The only thing I can think of that can remotely qualify as that is pointing out animation errors (which I think that anon was actually complaining about people doing), just about anything else is going to be subjective.

>>92209161
dude, profile = side; this is anfas

The season so far isn't that bad. It's just the last episode was so fucking shit. Like, I have never EVER gotten actually angry over a cartoon before, but every time I think about that episode, my day gets worse. It is an episode with no purpose other to establish the romantic relationship between Jack and Ashi. The thing is, I'm not angry about them being romantically involved. I knew it would happen from the beginning, the signs were pretty obvious desu. But the way it was executed makes my blood fucking boil.
>The last few episodes consisted of just Ashi and Jack being friendly, complimenting each
other on there appearances and stuff, a step towards romanticism, but a steady one.
>Suddenly, in the camel scene, they're suddenly real awkward around each other, with the fucking hand touches and shit. This is supposed to be cute or whatever, but it just feels awkward and out of place in a Samurai Jack episode, since that is not at all how I would ever picture Jack acting.
>"Embarrassing dick joke, haha."
>Fighting tiger cunts, their fucking FISTS touch when they pummel the same guy.
>"OH SHIT, SORRY, HOW EMBARRASSING MY MISTAKE." Int he MIDDLE of this fight scene. I don't even care if it was supposed to be a joke, it wasn't funny.
>Jump forward, AShi is suddenly naked for NO FUCKING REASON AT ALL. If anyone can justify why Ashi had to suddenly be naked, and what it added to the episode, I will admit that I was wrong.
>More out of character Jack, fucking blushing and shit, what the fuck.

Not to mention the really abrupt dismissal of Ashi's feeling of nudity considering that she was naked for the first 5 episodes and didn't care, to suddenly caring in the 6th, and now suddenly not caring again.

>"Ur acting weird..." While they are about to fucking die.
>Seconds after near death, they kiss, cliche as fuck.

The song was nice though I'll give them that.

>>92191083

>Genndy: It was my wife's idea

The episode wasn't that bad. Sure, I think the sexual tension felt really out of nowhere even if I did expect the characters to get together, but it wasn't all that bad.

We got to see Jack emote a lot more. It was nice seeing a change of pace, especially considering the last few episodes. He's not as fucked up anymore so he's a lot more laidback in scenarios where he's not fighting, or at least that was the case in the market scene. And as usual the entire episode looked gorgeous. This show has amazing locations, they all look so great.

It was probably the weakest IMO but by no means bad. Just felt a bit rushed. If anything, I'll blame the fact that they had 10 episodes to end a story like this. They wanted this plot point out of the way for endgame, so they had to tack it on a bit so it didn't feel absolutely nowhere.

Could have been better, but I've seen a lot worse.

Honestly, the problem isn't that they hooked up, the problem is that there was so much time wasted hooking up.

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>>92200103
You'd just deflect any defense as fanboys making excuses, you fucking autist. Don't pretend like you're actually looking for discussion, most SJ threads turn into childish bitching and any attempt to defend the show gets discarded.

>>92193724
underrated

>>92194213
I'm not arguing about his happiness, I just think the pacing leaves something to be desired

>>92191083
you became gay

>>92209606
Not hating or anything but if they had to rush this plot point wouldn't it have made more sense not to even go there in the first place?

>>92209603
see >>92205857

>>92195874
hey dont point at me, i didnt like ashy as soon as she stopped fighting jack

>>92196430
>>92196574
>Why is this cartoon called and about samurai jack about samurai jack?
Gotta get back. Back up your ass shove that post up your ass.

>>92209161
Ashi's muzzle is cute, CUTE!

also literally designed to fit Jack's face

>>92195874
t.shipfags

>>>/tumblr/ is that way. Shipping is for teen girls and faggots.

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I would have been fine with them being friends or lovers, but that ending had me laughing like a madman

They just didn't go full frontal nude.

>>92195874
>>92213834
Both of you are idiots.

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>>92191083
>>92191479
Nothing went wrong, you're mad cause you're alone. My ship is canon. suck it.

>>92215486
This post is awful, end it already

>>92215486
>calling others virgins while he talks about shipping

>>92215520
Somebodies mad

>>92215539
I just said you were alone, but thanks for confirming it's far worse.

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>>92215601
sure, cancer

I thought the episode was fine. I'm not a huge Samurai Jack fan, but so far Season 5 has been more entertaining than any of the other episodes I've seen.

>>92208526
>there was so much nitpicking over animation errors
that was legitimately memeing and being dumb, very few if any actually cared and if they did it said it didn't bother them they just saw it and that was that, it was a joke that it was SO ABSOLUTELY KINO that to speak bad about the series you needed to be mad about something practically invisible, it was mocking the haters

I fucking hate what /co/ has been for years, never telling the difference between joking, taking the piss, and legit posts.

>>92193735
>These same fucks probably hate Berserk's current story arc.
You give people that hate Berserk too much credit. They've been mad since Lost Children ended, pretty much. Guts' conversation with Godot and his decision to protect Casca was the major turning point for his character. And it was built up to very well.

Anyone mad about Cascaception has been mad for a long time. Well before Boatzerk.

>>92194213
>Jack is not and shouldn't be Guts.
I agree but
>some broken husk of a former human?
I didn't want Guts to stay this way forever either. Luckily for me he didn't. Guts has come a really long way as a character. It saddens me that people think he's a static boring edgelord character RIP AND TEARing his way through eternal grimdarkness. Or worse, people that are mad that he's not.

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>>92191479
No seriously, I actually didn't have a problem with Ashi at first but with more episodes I could feel that she was getting too much focus, making things worse each episode

>Love interest voiced by Tara Strong degrades show

wew

The first 3 episodes made an amazing show giving us a side we've never seen of Jack fighting desperately for his life and going nuts. They didn't want to keep that going the rest of the show and went back to a more regular Samurai Jack while trying to build up a new character. The issue is, this new character isn't really interesting. She has nothing to her.

bring back flags to /co/
canada shitposting has gotten out of control

>>92216338
I like them all.

>>92220127
Boatzerk was just slow.
>>92220520
I don't see her as the focus. Ashi barely had any focus since she's a nobody. It was all on Jack. Some people didn't enjoy it though. I just wish we had a little more time to digest this relationship. I want to see what Aku's going to do to her.

>>92221250
They were building up Jack to find his way again and using Ashi to do it. She even said she was a nobody.

>>92209161
In older episodes it's not too bad, but episode 8 had some really unpleasant shots

>>92194213
> blaming the audience

Gawker get the fuck out.

>>92195953
To be fair, Ashi's entire life has revolved around Jack. Spent 18 years learning to kill him, now she has had her entire world shaken and everyone she ever knew is dead... Except Jack.

Plus she's been through total shit in her life, naturally, the first person to not treat her like shit is the person she'd just latch onto immediately.

Plus Jack is starved of human affection and you should never underestimate the power of the D over your ability to make a decision.

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You told me he would get back to the past, /sp/. It's not fair! It was her turn dagnabbit!!!!!!

>>92191083

You went wrong.

You watched 3 very dark edgy episodes of depressed Samurai Jack and forgot how campy and fun the OG Samurai Jack is. Now that its starting to return to its old form you dont like it.

>>92196430
>tfw there are even likes on those comments
oh my EXTRA THICC

>>92191083

It's the same people, it's the same show, spicing it up with gore and titties just livened it up alittle but the fact has set in again that it's boring, just like the last season was boring.

>>92209521
That's exactly it.

Ep8 was just so fucking cringy.

>First three episodes aren't like the original run
What is this dumb shit? 2 and 3 are identical to a normal episode with a hard fight, just extended over two episodes. Gets his ass beat, works up his resolve or comes up with a strategy, beats enemy.

>>92221401
>I want to see what Aku's going to do to her.

This is so predictable

Aku kills Ashi, Jack goes apeshit and kills Aku, uses whatever chance he gets to go to the past to save Ashi, and then he rules over the new world with his new waifu and they live happily ever after

The end

>>92209521
>The season so far isn't that bad.
You haven't been paying attention.

>>92222854
>just like the last season was boring.
The only remotely boring episode in season 4 was Jack and the Baby, shitposting anon.

>>92223352
>2 and 3 are identical to a normal episode
You mean besides the horrendous Aku scene?

>>92223441
The scene was fine, the voice was the issue.

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>>92191083
You're not ready for mature content. Such a pleasure is reserved for mature adults like myself.

>>92223460
The script and animation were each worse than the voice acting. You're delusional.

>>92223541
No, you're just nitpicking minor animation differences from S1-4 Aku.

>>92197433
>random kiss because we don't have literally anything better to end with

Most of your criticisms are valid except for this one.

The kiss was handled perfectly, the two just narrowly escaped death while crying out to each other in pain, of course an abrupt making out is in order.

In fact I think the episode would have been handled much better if the kiss was the only thing and the romance beforehand wasn't so obvious

>>92215486
It's not about shipping, it's about quality; are you so staunchly dedicated to a fictional relationship that you'd be willing to take it over well-executed storytelling? And then call other people the lonely virgins?

>>92193724
kek

>>92194213
There's more than one way to move in a happy direction; you're acting as if this is the only way it could have possibly gone if we wanted things to get better for the character.

>You don't deserve it

What is put forth is always subject to criticism, this is the risk one takes in creating art. Genndy is surely aware of this and probably doesn't cry half as hard as you do over those damn dirty trolls talking shit about his show.

>>92196008
>episodes begin to give focus on Ashi and her quest for the Samurai
>her quest for the Samurai
>Samurai
And who is the Samurai again? Jack? Let's look at the worst episodes in anything ever of all time.

>Episode 4: Jack takes Ashi to escape from the Sarlacc
>Episode 5: Jack shows Ashi a whole new world
>Episode 6: Ashi searches for the missing Jack to stop him from sudoku, seeing his impact on the world
>Episode 7: Ashi follows Jack to find his sword and says I hate you mom.
I dunno about you but those last two really seem to revolve around what Jack has done and is doing.

>>92223352
So basically, Jack vs. the Ultrabots stretched out? Oh right, /co/ likes to pretend that never happened. I'm sure if it aired today you'd call it bad pacing.

>>92225020
Really? Because the quality of the episode was fine, ending controversy aside. I really wonder why any of you are even continuing to watch this since you've already decided you are gonna hate everything about it. I don't think everything was perfect but I'm not spending all day posting about how it's the worst thing to happen to animation either.

>>92223861
It's almost like the episode was trying to be tongue-in-cheek about the romance, but it also wanted the audience to take it seriously.

>>92225281
I never decided I was going to hate everything about this season, I don't even hate it now, why do you people keep jumping to these conclusions? I wouldn't even say the romantic tone is bad, only out of place within the show. After those stark visuals and narrative elements at the beginning, there's this ATLA-tier romance that sort of just pops into existence. It's strange.

>>92195874
Leave Genndy, you faggot

We got three amazing episodes and then everlasting proof that Gennedy is a hack.

It's the perfect season - We were entertained yet still don't want more.

>>92191083
>What went wrong
Pacing is kill

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Anyone else hate Ashi's face from the side? The way they draw her makes her look like she has a muzzle. May as well use pic related instead.

>inb4 should have. . .

>>92196874
her top lip should be behind jacks face

>>92196457
How is Ashi a "young sounding" name?
Seems similar to that bitch that told the cops that a guy was watching "Child themed pornography" on an airplane when it was just asian chicks.

>>92195954
This.

>>92221401
>I don't see her as the focus. Ashi barely had any focus since she's a nobody. It was all on Jack.

In the last 4 episodes she has had as much or more screen time than Jack in every single one.

>>92226200
nah it's fine that's his nose in front

>>92194831
>Female costume gets lewdly torn
I thought you people said Jack was a good show, not cliche sexist garbage.
>Male costume gets lewdly torn
Schlick schlick schlick schlick

>>92226414
I'm not talking about screen time. I'm talking about narrative.

>>92194831
Anon, as someone who isn't fully satisfied with this season, even I think this is a weak complaint. There's literally an episode called 'Jack is Naked' from an earlier season, not to mention him always getting stripped down to his underwear.

>>92194831
>Female costume gets lewdly torn

>cliche garbage
yes
>sexist
fuck off to Tumblr

Not every overused female-related trope is sexist

>>92196574
>Every time there's a main guy and main girl, it's like some unspoken rule that they HAVE to get together by the end.
>Writers already have enough trouble writing girl characters who are layered characters instead of just "girl".
How is one related to the other? Those things aren't mutually exclusive, you know. You can have a well-written female character who nevertheless hooks up with the main male character.

>>92206055
Isn't she married?

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>>92225281
>You don't actually dislike the thing you say you dislike, you chose to ruin your own experience and dislike a revitalized childhood cartoon!!
This is such a retarded fucking argument. Ashi takes screentime away from Jack and Aku. This is a huge problem. This season should be about Jack's finale, not some shoehorned in bitch. You cannot add a brand new character and try to develop them in only 10 episodes and expect anyone but the biggest virgin waifufags to like them.

>>92225281
>I dunno about you but those last two really seem to revolve around what Jack has done and is doing.

What a bunch of bullshit.
They both were mostly around Ashi developing her character.

>ep6: Here is a story recap of shit weve seen in the past 4 seasons, now retold with Ashi here to experience them and better understand Jack.

>Here is a episode dedicated to how fierce a warrior Ashi is and how her random out of the blue mom lied to her about Jack while he slowly makes green tea in his mind.

>>92227202
>Ep6: Ashi searching for Jack, everyone talking about how awesome Jack is, save Jack from going an hero, Jack saves her
>Ep7: Jack is there to get his sword back. Ashi is protecting Jack while he is drinking tea.

>>92203488

> "... Slow journey..."

If only...

There simply was not enough time to fit this narrative device into the story, and the show's pacing has gone to hell in a hand basket as a result...

...

Season five of Samurai Jack should have been focused on Jack fighting the inner demons he had accrued over the past five decades while trying to stay ahead of the Daughters of Aku, culminating with him eventually conquering his issues, coming to peace with his past failures and deciding to move forward and be productive instead of stewing in his own bitterness and self-pity...

Things that I think could have been removed/changed/added:

> Remove AshiXJack subplot. I get what Genndy was going for with it, but the fact remains isn't terribly interesting, and wasn't executed particularly well...

> Remove Gods bestowing the sword back to Jack, have it subtly return to him on its own once he has cleansed himself of his inner demons (Jack finds it washed up on a shoreline or riverbank, Jack finds it driven into the trunk of a tree or in the middle of a clearing)

> Don't remove Ashi, but instead have scenes with her, and possibly the other sisters, developing due to their sudden exposure to the world, and parallel these scenes with Jack. By the end of the season all of the sisters aside from Ashi perish, not necessarily all by Jack's hand. Ashi should only interact with Jack in a non-combative capacity in the final episodes...

But even then, you'd probably need an excellent story-teller to fit all of that into 10 episodes, keep the pacing of the first three episodes, and keep the audience enthralled...

...

What about you /co/?

Assuming you have ten episodes to work with, is there anything you would add, change, or remove from SJ to improve it?

>>92227292
>keep the pacing of the first three episodes
If we kept the pacing of the first three episodes we would get literally nowhere because it would take Jack 20 episodes to get over his depression, and another 20 to find his sword.

I swear, Samurai jack threads on /co/ will not rest easy if this bitch prolongs Jack, with this selfish bullshit, from saving the world or getting back to the past to save to the future from Aku just for the sake of some romance/save the girl bullshit.

>>92227379
And by that you mean it turns out there is gonna be a movie or another season somehow? At this point /co/ would despise it if one of those things did happen though.

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>>92227292
>Jack got his hope and attitude back last episode because of Ashi

>Ashi is also taking up most of the screen time for these episodes since episode 4

>Intro is still him and only him from the first 3 episodes sounding near hopeless and depressed about his journey with no Ashi in sight


FIX THIS SHIT NOW!

What is it with this board's allergy to anything heavier and darker than the norm, calling it "grimdark" or "edgy" without a thought?

If you autists want comfyshit, just watch SU or barney.

>>92227347

I don't know man...

...

I think I'd be okay with that, if only for the sake of variety...

There aren't many cartoons with that kind of slow burn out at the moment...

>>92227582
People that only like episodes 1-3 either have a very selective memory of the original series or didn't watch it.

There was literally an entire episode about Aku reading children fairy tales.

>>92194213
>Jack is not and shouldn't be Guts.
Why not? What's wrong with pre-boat Berserk?

>>92191083
Nothing.

>>92227683
>Everything post-episode 3
FTFY. Season 5 has pretty much been the worst thing to ever happen to any series.

>>92227622
You mean the episode that shows three gods slaying a cosmic darkness?
And there was also Demongo, or Aku flu.

SJ had plenty of dark shit with genuine depth to it, but /co/tards want it to become SU 2.0 while ignoring the overwhelmingly positive reception to the first three episodes and even pretending they were never good and nobody liked them.

Also, Aku's tales were at least funny. Nothing about S05's 4th episode onward has been even half as entertaining, especially after Ashi's abrupt lobotomy by a ladybird.

>>92227582
we got sick of it after the 80's and 90's

>>92227735
Right, because the 00s and 10s have been soooooo much better in comparison, right?

>>92227731
>You mean the episode that shows three gods slaying a cosmic darkness?
Thanks for proving me right, because that literally never happened in that episode. Unless you mean when the gladiator turned the world eating dragon into beef jerky. Truly that is the worst of fates.

I'm not saying the series didn't have any "dark shit", but it also had a lot of light-hearted episodes as well. SJ always had a variety of tones it took on. Seems you really only remember said dark shit.

First 3 episodes are fantastic because there is no story in it. It's just a series of action scenes and their impact.
The SJ crew are great directors, but shit script & character writers.

>>92227595
The hell you typing like a autist for?

>>92227717
>Season 5 has pretty much been the worst thing to ever happen to any series.
Thanks to LOK, it literally couldn't be, but there's always second place I guess.

>>92228336
fuck off idiot the only place that hates korra are retards here go make another korra hate thread idiot

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>>92194213
I wholeheartedly agree, my african-american brother

>>92227622
That's sort of what made the first three episodes interesting though; that sustained urgency and tension was unique and fascinating in the context of Samurai Jack and cartoons of that style in general. After seeing how capable the show was of handling a new direction, returning to the old format and tone for the rest of the new season feels redundant.

>>92191083
does this mean people are getting tired of forced diversity?

>>92228197

Emulating my hero...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYkRF_FmD40

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>>92222388
This

>>92226983
All of Ashi's character development revolves around Jack, idiot. He's just as important as he's always been

>>92229048
>All of Ashi's character development revolves around Jack
DAS SEKSEST

>>92228387
Because everywhere else is a literal shithole in comparison, that will accept anything as long as it has remotely pretty pictures. /co/ is the only place you can find constructive criticism of cartoons.

>>92222388
>>92229018
I *wanted* a return to "campy and fun" SJ. I didn't want "poorly written like a fanfic" SJ.
It's not about tone, it's about writing quality.

>>92229338
>mai waifu Jack must stay pure

>3rd to last episode of SJ
>It's just a fucking filler episode

W H Y

H

Y

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>>92195874
How does one cure eternal virginity?

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>>92195874
kek
Looks like Ashi is eating his face

>>92194213
He felt real before. Now hes a mary sue. Im ok with him becoming happy again, just save it for the end

>>92194831
london

>>92210385

>he's calling us out on resorting to scapegoats instead of actual defense

>I know! I'll continue to resort to scapegoats and openly acknowledge that I'm not making an actual defense!

You sure showed me.

Funny thing is I don't even hate this season. It's been great up until now. So I don't see why you're so convinced that I would deflect any decent defense.