Steven Universe - Art style Inconsistency

>>92128262
oh look it's this thread again

>>92128262
Is the crew under extreme time pressure? Was there a change in animation studio? There must be something to account for something like this being produced by professional artists, because while it was inconsistent back in season one, it didn't look as proportionally out of whack as this.

>>92128304
>oh look it's quality again
Things SUckers will never say

Blame here -> https://twitter.com/rebeccasugar?lang=en

>>92128451
No.

>>92128473
m'kay

>>92128262
The whole point of cartooning is simplifying things. It's all just different representations of these characters and if you really can't grasp that I feel bad for you.

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>The little man is now an Indian
sjws are truly the worst.

>>92128304
Well Sucrose, maybe if you did your damn job you wouldn't GET these damn threads!

>>92128304
Oh fuck off, autistic SUfag, I'm pointing out what's bad with the show instead of saying it's just bad.

>>92128500
simplification != defenestration of consistent proportions

>>92128500
>The whole point of cartooning is simplifying things

Another point of cartooning is to give the illusion of life on a screen. When you have severe inconsistency issues like SU has, it completely breaks the illusion and takes you out of it.

>>92128342
>>92128262

Sugar lets people do what they want. Sugar doesn't enforce people keeping things on model and this is what you end up with.

>>92128500
>simplification
the only who can't grasp any form of logic here is you, dumbass. Bad art style consistency is far from simplification, it's a sign of a lack of quality and poor leadership.

Apologists will grasp at straws just to defend every bad thing this show does, jeez.

>>92128657
Yeah, but she let them do what they want for a long time. Why has the quality tanked so much over the past season or so?

>>92128681

Let them do what they want and eventually it gets to this point. Oh she doesn't care i made them look off model or in my personal way i want them to look fuck it i can just keep doing it like that. I can make the show look more like what i want and not what the person in charge thinks it should look like because there are 0 repercussions because she can't lead.

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Why do you guys care so much about the show being 'on-model'? I don't get it, it has never had consistent character sizes. Like, ever.

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>>92128714
Because that is quite literally the most basic aspects of animation and they fail miserably at it. The fact that a good portion of fans are actually willing to defend this convinces me the fanbase is filled with retards.

>>92128304
>"j-just accept it! stop being autistic waaaaaaaaaaah"

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>>92128714
Fucking Adventure Time, a show that has also has a fucking shapeshifter in it as well, is still consistent about their character designs and doesn't use the powers as a fucking excuse. You might as well defend the PPG reboot while you're at it.

>>92128748
>>92128735
I'm not defending it, I just don't care about it and I don't understand why you guys do. Like I said, it's always been like this but it's only recently that /co/ and Tumblr has decided to get mad about it.

Normally I don't care about this shit, but the proportions in this episode made them both look 8 years old.

>>92128762
They've always looked like 8 year olds if you compare their sizes in Season 4 with their sizes in Season 1, hell, they looked even better in Season 1 and actually looked and acted like their ages.

Steven used to be the same height as Connie, sometimes slightly shorter by a few centimeters, but he's a whole foot shorter than her now for some reason.

>>92128759
>I just don't care about it and I don't understand why you guys do

Because, as I said, this is literally the most basic aspect of animation and they are failing miserably at it because they're complete hacks who believe their fee-fees are more important than actually doing their damn jobs. It's this exact complacence that is making future shows godawful and ridden with errors, with Ben 10 and PPG being very recent examples. We've practically regressed back to the 80's in terms of animation, and even that is an insult to the 80's, because this is completely by choice.

>>92128304
Oh look op is still right about this

>>92128759

Its one thing for the show to have weird moments where things are off model and you don't know why. It could be time the animation studio fucked up a number of factors. But once you learn the person in charge is literally not doing their job properly and allowing this it makes us fucking mad.

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>>92128262
It's just Lamar. He suffered a blow to the head as a child and tragically lost the ability to discern proportions.

>>92128500
>Simplyfication
>Wildly inconsistent artstyle that keeps getting worse and more nonsensical
You know what's simple? Characters having one shape, this is not simple
Just because it's lazy it doesn't make it simple, it's a big complicated mess

>>92128811
Girls grow faster than boys anon. Connie is a human and grows while Steven is stuck as a literal 8 year old.

>Paying attention to Connie's feet
Why are these people allowed?

>>92128262

I would still sexually molest Connie and that's all that really matters.

>>92128759
Because while it's always been "off-model", season 4 took it to an absurd degree. If you watch an S1-2 and an S4 episode one after the other, you can clearly see a huge difference in art quality.

>>92128262
this whole "simpler design means easier animations" is complete bullshit when there were very few moments of actual complex animation as well as the characters just stand around and talk while very little happens in the foreground, check out Mob Psycho 100 for actual clever usage of animation

Face it SUckers, your show as shit as your taste

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Honestly, does any one kind of like how much it can vary ep to ep? I think it's fun, and I love the differences.

>>92128848
She didn't grow, bro, she got shorter.

Who here has the Season 1 vs Season 4 of Connie? I thought I saved it, but I hadn't and I can't find it on the net.

>>92128262
>Connies feet are
Opinion discarded

>>92128714
Because it's so Fucking ugly now I find it offensive

>>92128861

Btw, Raven is my fav. She makes everything so kawaii.

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>>92128864
I got you

The show deals on relative heights though so arguing about height differences is dumb. Her giant head and tiny limbs are the real problem.

>>92128861
If SU were a comic book, yes. I think that an animated product should be slightly more consistent, however.

>>92128262
>>>/pol/

fuck off

>>92128816
>>92128835

So by this standard Family Guy must be the height of quality since they are always rigidly on model right? And the early seasons of the Simpsons must be shit since they went off model frequently.

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>>92128735

I absolutely disagree with it. I also HATE that Steven Universe is so off model, a lot, it's one of the reasons I stopped watching, but I don't think it's a product of laziness. I think CN has deliberately decided to give their animation teams more freedom. I remember hearing an anecdote about someone assisting the creator of Flap Jack put up his storyboard art and feeling terrible for him, because the art was SHIT, but when the session actually started, everyone loved the art. The exaggeration, the weirdness, it wasn't GOOD, but it was funny. If you look at the stuff CN actually create these days, I think it supports that theory.

Again, I love model sheets, I actually have a huge stash of them and removing them takes a huge element of enjoyment out of it for me, but I think it's good to experiment and I think this is definitely experimentation imo.

>>92128861
I like it too, I like being able to pick out each boarder's style

>>92128861
Ops picture doesn't look like any of those
Most of the episodes don't by now

>>92128894

Also I'm very bitter they don't even try to use model sheets for Marvel and DC. I get every artist has their own style but any argument you make for an animator could apply to a comic artist. There's no reason why Wolverine being 5'3 should be a "Fun Trivia Fact"

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>>92128839
Ey fuck you, why you dissin' my creative craftsmanship, dawg?

I'm an artist, nigga. My ancestors made those cave paintings with their mothafuckin' fingers and shit, bitch, so get the fuck outta here.

Punks always holding a nigga down and never appreciatin' the effort put in, I swear.

>>92128907
I have a theory that the crew were told to make Steven and Connie 'cuter' to appeal to kids more and this giant head chibi nonsense is the result.

>>92128893
Oh quit being dense, you're purposefully trying to create a strawman to dodge the criticism at hand here. Writing is also very important, and that's where early Simpsons succeeded, and where modern Family Guy fails. But we aren't talking about that, are we, you dense twat? The fact that you have to resort to fucking family guy just reeks of desperation.

>>92128894
Yes, CN does tend to give them more freedom, but that has nothing to do with the animation errors, nor is that a good excuse when both Adventure Time and Flapjack both not only had model sheets but were also far more consistent as well. It's one thing if Lapis has big hair one episode and not having it in a different episode, it's another thing entirely when characters are growing and shrinking in the same damn episode.

>>92128893
They're technically sound, that's the bare minimum you could ask. A cartoon show should be good at being a cartoon show. You shouldn't ever have to pick between good writing and good animation.

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>>92128878
Looks fine here

>>92128893
>>92128989
Also, I failed to mention that there are other rules to animation then just consistency. There's also Squash and Stretch, Anticipation, Pose to Pose, etc. Family Guy has none of these principles and is only consistent in it's lack of it. SU also lack a good portion of these principles as well.

>>92128644
this i can appreciate

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Seeing Stevonnie wipe the floor with Topaz would have been cool.

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The entire board gets it OP, the art is bad. The art has been bad. The art will be always bad. Complaining and pointing out about it doesn't do anything but create more autism and show that people actually waste their time on a children's cartoon they don't like to show that it's bad. The crew isn't here. If they were, they won't do shit about it just because some group on 4chan and some group on Tumblr told them to. It's their way of creating the show, so it's their mess, and it's their option to make the show whatever they want to.

>>92129071
Is Stevonnie powerful enough to even do that? Stevonnie always just seems to be Steven and Connie dating or fucking around rather than battling.

>>92129091
I take it you didn't see Stevonnie beat Jasper 1v1.

>>92128889
>anyone who has an opinion different from mine is /pol/

I hate /pol/ as much as you, but don't be such a faggot about it, dumbass.

It's nuts how different all the characters look. I just watched season 1 and connie wasn't some dwarf. Steven was fat as fuck but he wasn't this super dwarf either.


Also to anyone who was complaining sbout topaz and aquamarine designs. Pearl is a anthro bird without feathers and garnet is a black woman.
Gem designs were never stellar

>>92128681
Apparently nigga bf had more influence than everyone expected.

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The proportions were pretty good aside from Doug Out this bomb.

Can someone please post the mega for these episodes?

>>92129166
There's KimCartoon.me if you want, it's safe and all the cartoons you want are available.

>>92129136
Ian was practically keeping this show together, most likely because he kept the writers/animators on a much tighter leash than Sucrose ever did. The moment he left the show has been a trainwreck that never recovered.

>>92129136
This. IJQ was keeping her afloat, probably all the way through animation school too.

>>92129206
I doubt he'd be complaining about how the show looked now.

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>>92129241
Why would he when he has his own projects to deal with now? He can't keep holding Sugar's hand forever. If she fails, that's on her and no longer his burden, especially after putting in an entire season of work.

>>92129136
>>92129228
So, what then? Sugar was like a supportive mom to the boarders telling them to do what they like and once she left Ian would come around and threaten to kick their asses if they didn't stay on model?

>>92129274
I mean that if he saw the later episodes, he wouldn't care that the designs were inconsistent because he knows that's what they've always done. He was responsible for how Cheeseburger Backpack looked, after all.

>>92128342
As far as I know, it's still SIMP and Rough Draft animating this show. And if there was a time crunch, we wouldn't be seeing these stupid bombs.

I think it's just the storyboard artists being allowed to do whatever the fuck they want and Sugar allowing it.

>>92129181
No kiss cartoon?

>>92129635
it's canned, unfortunately. This is its successor.

>>92129661
The mega isn't working.

>>92129566
>I think it's just the storyboard artists being allowed to do whatever the fuck they want and Sugar allowing it.

On top of that the animation studios don't have any sort of model sheets or references either, so unlike other studios where these sort of glaring inconsistencies would be smoothed over a little during the animation process, the animators basically just trace over the storyboards they're sent and add in the in-betweens where needed. They're basically flying blind.

>>92129704
Do they seriously not provide model sheets? Jesus christ.

>>92128861
It's good for a comic like >>92128885 said but for an animated production it's awful especially Lamar, Hillary, Paul, and Kat where it looks more like a messy rough draft that was colored out of boredom (also does anyone else notice how some of NockFORCE shows when Ian animates and storyboards?)

>>92129112
Because Jasper is a weak jobber good for nothing

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>>92128714
Going off-model isn't inheritenty bad. When done to express emotion, character or movement that wouldn't be able to be done on-model, the whole practice, if done right (like pic related) can work to a very effectively.

The issue of SU is that in serious or otherwise normal scenes that don't require off-model, the characters are still drawn in an over-chibified manner (meant for more comedic scenes) that hurts the seriousness or non-comedicness of said scenes.

Being too on-model can also hurt a show just as much as being lazily off-model. Just watch any of Seth MacFarlane's shows to get at what I'm meaning.

>>92129810
You either die a villain or live long enough to see yourself become a jobber.
Jasper got to die a jobber.

>>92129115

I will say the SU crew kinda fucked themselves over with how Aquamarine is supposedly "shorter than Peridot" considering the absurd amounts of shrinkage Peridot's gone through recently.

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>>92129704
>>92129715

They do, they're just allowed to not be restricted by it.

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>>92129949
>Don't forget that Steven's model can change based on the expressions and proportions of the board drawing!

So basically the only model sheets they were given were absolutely useless and gave no point of reference to characters' height relative to each other, and were then told to ignore it anyways?

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>>92129112
>Stevonnie beat Jasper 1v1
They diddn't scratch Jasper in the slightest. ONly her mount popped. She was just pissed and in nerd rage that a gem would even fuse with a human.

>>92129356
Like Poppa should!

>>92129356
Either that or any requests for changes Sugar did manage to mumble out seemed more legitimate to the crew when she had a black guy standing behind her.

>>92128262
The height thing is a problem but what i see of it is that in "comfy" episodes i dont give a shit about them.But in actual important episodes it can be problematic.But in those its not that common.
In bismuth theres a scene in the night with steven and bismuth looking at each other while smiling that looked fucking awful.But in their fight the,drawings where good.In the alexandrite vs malechite the heights where good.In jailbreak it was good.In gem drill it was good.
This is why fans of the show dont see this as that big of a problem,but when it has bad pacing,bad writing and filler they do because,even if it has beautiful art,the story is bad.

>>92128262
Why haven't you activated windows yet, anon?

>>92128681
>>92128692

If you let people do what they want they will eventually start to draw manlets and midgets, it is just the human way.

>>92128748

>NO FLOATING EYEBROWS

Leave Dobson out of this!

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>>92129566
I still think SOMETHING must have happened recently that made Rough Draft suffer the huge drop in quality it did during season 2. Either budget cuts, or slight time constraints so they can get more episodes out faster, or w/e. I doubt it's just Rebecca overlooking some of more trash looking episodes and giving a dejected thumbs up.

SMIP is still pretty good, but I've noticed the lineart got thinner since around the end of season 2. Dont know if that was a stylistic choice, or something that came along with budget cuts.

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>>92131147
another one of these

>>92129153

Give Connie tits!

I cant believe I would rather bang the mom than the daugther.

>>92128893
You're putting words in his mouth. Don't be a twat.

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>>92130343
>Mommy sugah comes by, gives treats, and mumbles some corrections.
>Artist begins snickering softly as she walks away.
>Artist hears a belt being clapped in a hand and freezes
>Artist goes and does what Sug said to them.
>Lest they incur daddy Ian's "constructive criticisms".

Top zozzhles.

>>92128861

Only Sugar's, Villeco's, Jo's and Florido's Stevens look like a teen and not a child.

>>92128342
Sugar doesn't enforce proportions or make model sheets because it triggers the boarders' panic attacks when they have to follow rules.

>>92129077
the thumbnail in that pic looks like she has really small beady eyes

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even Johnny Test doesn't fuck up this bad

>>92134018
thats cause the show is only animated by one guy

>>92134099
maybe SU should only be animated by one guy

>>92133632
Sugar lets them all fly free and do what they want because she has to stand over Zuke with a taser all day so she can zap her every time she tries to insert lapidot.

>>92128262
>art style Inconsistency

>talk about drawing style instead

Get your facts right, moron

>>92134134
this made me kek

>>92134185
Interchangable terms you sophist.

>>92128878
Wow, they even exaggerated the size of her nose, it now stretches all the way up to the top of her skull.

Jesus, how inbred is she?

>>92131147
But that also brings up another problem- From what I've seen, Rough Draft's only working on every 1-2 episodes for every 4-5 SIMP does.

I'm also wondering if it's not also the animators at RD also having to split their SU workload with Star Vs., We Bare Bears, Simpsons and SpongeBob.

>>92134559
I mean Doug and Priyanka do look pretty similar, but that might just be my white privilege talking

>>92128360
>SUckers
Fuckin' kek. A+ for orgininality. Yes the chibi designs make me fucking sick, but I try to enjoy the better parts of the show like Aquamarine

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>>92134679
>the better parts of the show like Aquamarine
You have to be over 18 to post here

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>>92134763
>memedot
You have to be over 18 to post here

>>92134859
Butthurt Memedotfags aren't allowed to post here at all

>>92134763
>says while posting the meme character made to appeal and be relatable to autists and children

>>92134943
>>92134859
Remember when everyone loved Peridot? Remember how cool she was in her first couple of appearances? your shitty blue loli is going to get memed to death

>>92134984
She was my favorite too, but they HAD to ruin her and turn her into the show's autistic joke.

>>92134018
>comparing flash to drawn
>smug anime girl.jpg

This thread is sad. Being obsessed with the show's goofy frames when there's actual plot to discuss with the new episodes

>>92134763
Aquamarine is more like what Peridot used to be before she turned into a corn chip.

>>92135091
>goofy frames
Nigga, the ENTIRE season has been nothing but goofy frames, and there's barely any plot except for the last two episodes since most of the season was just Townie shit.

yo bruh where can I watch these new fucking episodes since kisscartoon became virus shit and im not trying to download.

>>92135162
Kimcartoon

>>92135091
Plot is a false god.

>>92134018
jt is actually alright bar the gay dog

>>92129715
They do, but they're worthless since it doesn't tell you anything and contradicts tself.

>>92129845

Well thats the whole shtick of Genndy for example. He's known to do really good exaggaration of character, however he's doing it in service of expression and emotion and its mainly consistent.

Just look at the Hotel Translyvania, character models get all bendy and twisted waaay out of the 3d limit, because he wanted to translate his his 2d shit onto 3d. And motherfucker did it, it was brilliant.

That's not the case in SU, tho.

>>92138324
That's because it was clearly meant to exaggerate certain emotions, but when you take into account the Squash and Stretch rule it's still consistent. This on the other hand>>92128262, is not the case. There is no emotion to be exaggerated here, it's just a consistency error for no reason. It's lazy as fuck.

>>92134637
Huh? SMIP and Rough Draft episodes almost always alternate, with the occasional double. For example, this past production season was:

401 Kindergarten Kid - Rough Draft
402 Know Your Fusion - SMIP
403 Buddy's Book - Rough Draft
404 Mindful Education - SMIP
405 Future Boy Zoltron - Rough Draft
406 Last One Out of Beach City - SMIP
407 Onion Gang - Rough Draft
408 Shorts - SMIP
409 Gem Harvest (Raven/Paul half) - Rough Draft
410 Gem Harvest (Hilary/Zuke half) - SMIP
411 Three Gems and a Baby - Rough Draft
412 Steven's Dream - SMIP
413 Adventures in Light Distortion - Rough Draft
414 Gem Heist - SMIP
415 The Zoo - Rough Draft
416 That Will Be All - SMIP
417 The New Crystal Gems - SMIP
418 Rocknaldo - Rough Draft
419 Tiger Philanthropist - Rough Draft
420 Storm in the Room - SMIP
421 Room for Ruby - Rough Draft
422 Lion 4: Alternate Ending - SMIP
423 Doug Out - Rough Draft
424 The Good Lars - SMIP
425 Are You My Dad? - Rough Draft
426 I Am My Mom - SMIP

Colin/Jeff (formerly Joe/Jeff) have almost always gotten their episodes done at SMIP (the only exceptions are "Rose's Room" and "Say Uncle"). Raven/Paul mostly had Rough Draft episodes, but got the occasional SMIP episode (TNCG, "Earthlings", "Gem Drill", "The Return", etc.). Zuke and Hilary usually had their episodes done at SMIP, although occasionally they had a Rough Draft episode. And Katie/Lamar haven't had an SMIP episode since "Onion Friend" lmao.

Now, it appears that the two SMIP pairs are Colin/Jeff and Paul/Hilary, while the Rough Draft pairs are Raven/Zuke and Lamar/Katie. We know Zuke has about 3 or 4 episodes left, meaning she leaves sometime mid-season 5. Colin confirmed he went back to being lead character designer, and Amber said she's boarding, meaning there's still a vacancy. We could be dealing with a vastly different set of boarders than we're used to by mid-season 5.

I think no matter how much we pretend, the only real question here is, do we suffer degenerates?

>>92129206
When DID Ian leave? Was it pre-cluster?

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>>92140008
2/2

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>>92140025
mfw lapis will never spit on me,

>>92139597
Around Season 2.

>>92140646
>>92139597
the last episode outlined before he left was Know Your Fusion, the last episode boarded before he left was Mr Greg (though Too Short To Ride was earlier in production order and was also boarded when he was around), and Joe Johnston and Kat Morris were promoted to Directors after Nightmare Hospital

>>92138794
wow it's like reading one of my posts

>>92134637
>I'm also wondering if it's not also the animators at RD also having to split their SU workload with Star Vs., We Bare Bears, Simpsons and SpongeBob.

don't forget that Adventure Time (split between RDK and Saerom, like WBB) hasn't finished animating yet (and Uncle Grandpa only finished animating recently, if Pete's instagram is to be believed)

>>92129071
yeah, and my husband and i were basically yelling at the screen for it, but Steven was in a difficult place emotionally, dealing with intense, crushing guilt, that this was all his fault, and his powers ARE focused on emotions. His focus is love, and he just couldn't focus. I think it worked.

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>>92141877
>the last episode outlined before he left was Know Your Fusion, the last episode boarded before he left was Mr Greg

>Mr. Greg was the last 10/10 the show ever had

This explains so much. He really was the only think keeping this show together.

>>92143745
Mr Greg was also the last normal epsiode boarded by Joe Johnston (with Jeff Liu): after ian left Joe had to focus on being the director for Lamar/Katie and Colin/Jeff episodes (though he DID co-board That Will Be All with Colin Howard and Rebecca): the first episode Joe was involved in the story with was Onion Gang, the 2nd was Three Gems and a Baby, and he was involved in the story for every episode from Light Distortion onward

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>>92128262
>There are so many things wrong with Steven Universe

Agreed.

>>92140008
>>92140025
This is very well done.

FOLLOW

>>92131190
How old are you?

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Something's off here

>>92144920
Yeah, the artist screwed up the scale in the first frame and payed for it in the second.

Sugar should hire her.

>>92128929
I feel like I've seen this exact post before but it made me laugh anyway
>GTA 5 still has no fucking singleplayer DLC
burn in hell Rockstar

>>92134859
>>92134943
Don't find memedot amusing but Aquamarine's face is a literal emoji

>>92144920
>That's it. I'm going to drop you into the sea, you little fucker.

>>92142437
Oh right, forgot about those two.

Regardless, I wouldn't be too surprised if them putting their hands into to many shows (even with other companies assisting, save for UG and SB, as they're solo Rough Draft shows) was one of the main culprits.

>>92138794
Huh, never noticed the 13/13 split. Guess that's because the only episodes I've seen credits attached to are SIMP ones.

Where's /sug/ at? Shouldn't they be back on /co/ since the new episodes are out?

>>92145708
Mods in their infinite wisdom prefer discussion taking the form of a dozen separate threads until the episodes are released on CN itself, all discussion is used up, and the only thing /sug/ is then good for is shitposting.

>>92128500
You can't dismiss all inconsistency as "style." When two characters, standing side by side, in the EXACT SAME EPISODE don't measure up to each other correctly, it's laziness.

>>92145297
granted, SMIP is currently the sole studio on nuPPG and the Ben 10 reboot, and is one of twho studios on Avengers Assemble, the Guardians of the Galaxy cartoon, and OK K.O.

>>92145297
oh yeah RDK also works on Wabbit with yearmin

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>>92146352

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>>92149428
>>92151927

And yet, SIMP's SU work looks better than either

a) their non-SU stuff
b) RDK's episodes
c) most of RDK's other credits (getting better with Simpsons at least)

Kind of sad when you really think about it. Then again, SIMP did animate pic related, so Rough Draft isn't all to blame.

>>92145708
Technically the episodes aren't out yet, so no /sug/ until Monday.

>>92140008
>>92140025
Why are fanworks for this better than the actual show?

>>92155135
that was present in the original boards
http://ben-levin.tumblr.com/post/150180044000/here-are-some-boards-i-did-from-the-steven

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>>92128304
Oh this second post

>>92157348
Yeah, but someone should have caught that either at the domestic studio or at SIMP. That no one did makes me question their competence towards even the basic of anatomy mistakes like this.

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>>92128848
You are a Fuckin'stupid cunt
There's one episode where Schlomo universe grow to be the same height of Connie
Well now get your (you)

>>92128878
Holy shit what happened between those two?
Was budget, laziness,execunttives?

>>92128878
From teen with tits in growing progress
To some Dwarve Indian mutation
Who to blame?

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>>92143006
Was another crying bitch moment again?
Fucking retard
I remember see the first and second season and perceive some growing in Steve but now...

https://youtu.be/3uE5JO9X0UY

>It's a Zuke solo episode animated at Rough Draft Korea

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I hope Paragon's reveal isn't a giant let down.

>>92131185
It feels off past the first row, and I don't know why.
Did the shawl thing really add that much to her design?
Is it a more curved/less strong chin when looking from below in most other shots?
I honestly can't put my finger on what annoys me about this.

>>92128861
I really like Ian's boards just because of how bouncy and cartoony they look.

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Rebecca: We like to give our story boarders artistic freedom when they work on their episodes

Story boarders: Rebecca actually doesnt want us to draw like her.

You "people" REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>92164143
When characters change completely from scene to scene it's not simply a matter of 'artistic freedom.' It just reeks of laziness and lack of professionalism. Though, given the show's content, I don't think anyone could confuse it with an actual professional quality work.

>>92164143
>m-m-muh FREEDOM
no, dipshit, it's an excuse made for shitty animators who are too incompetent to follow guidelines and give consistent results.

Typical, you SUfags would all eat this shit up and blindly defend it to the end of days.

>>92164290
Animators aren't in short supply, there is literally no other reason to do it other than choice.

>>92164323
They're not going off-model often out of choice, they're doing it because they're legitimately that bad, it's as simple as that.

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>>92164391
You're a Special boy, aren't you?

>>92164467
You know you've lost when you resort to juvenile jabs that have nothing to do with the discussion.

>>92164467
>"I-I can't come up with anything to reply to him..."
>"oh, I know, I'll call him a special boy to hide my autism! That sure will work!"

Hahaha, you're such a manchild.

>>92164489
It was just an assumption considering you cant process simple facts. Many of the story boarders who have distinct styles in SU have worked on other shows in the past with consistent styles. Its a choice.

At this rate by the end of the show steven's gonna be the size of a quarter

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>>92164577
Nigga, this is NOT a choice, stop being such a retarded apologist and come up with a better excuse or realize that you're an idiot.

>>92164661
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean its not true.

>>92164695
Ah, I get it, you're one of those people who try to change the facts into opinions because they conflict with your mentality.

Oh well, I'm not wasting any more energy on an ignorant autist, keep on rambling and getting your fee-fees hurt.

>>92164774
I give you facts and you ignore them, i don't know what to tell you.

>>92164190
Your concept of proffesional work is based on a standard enforced by disney when they turned animation production into factory work. I truly welcom SU for trying to make animation expressive instead of representive of some imaginary space. Mainstream animation has been equalizing precicness and realism of space with quality of art for too long. The argument over SU is probably because it's in this half baked state where it still reminds of these on model, regulated productions, not yet playful enough to be understood as a choice.

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>>92165058
>Your concept of proffesional work is based on a standard enforced by disney when they turned animation production into factory work

No, these are basic rules of animation you fucking moron. Even the majority of CN shows follow the basic rules, there is no excuse for this shit. There's no reason for Uncle Grampa, a surrealist comedy by nature, to be more consistent in terms of animation then this trainwreck.

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>>92128816
>regressed back to the 80s.

Comparing the 80s to this mess is an insult.

>>92165600
Worse quality but better frame rate here.

https://e.snmc.io/lk/o/u/283e22d44f12073a719a26aa92b92c0b/6364356.gif

>>92164143
>Guiz they're bad at consistency on purpose stop complaining waaaah
Hitler exterminated the Jews on purpose, doesn't mean I can't criticize him for it

>>92165058
This is what happens when you stop teaching people to be draughtsmen first, artists second.

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Im alright with the art inconsistency.

What isn't okay is how literally every single male character in this show is a coward, useless, and a little bitch.

I'm not even sorry about this. I love the show but to me, the biggest issue(especially after the recent dump of episodes) is this problem. Every male kidnapped by Topaz was acting like a crying sniveling coward. EVEN SADIE stood up to Topaz. EVEN SADIE!

You've got to be joking. This is blatant. They do this on purpose and I'm fucking tired of it. My favorite character is Garnet and thank fucking god for her, but that last episode was so fucking cringe. When Lars abandoned Sadie like a faggot I couldn't believe it.

Fuck this pandering show. Fuck it.

>>92165651
And this is with a budget of about 20,000 dollars per episode, adjusting for inflation.

>>92128893
Family Guy's animation is garbage for much more obvious reasons. But "Everyone stays a consistent height" is NOT one of the things that makes it garbage.

I swear Connie's dad was supposed to be a cop before right?

Did they change it because SU's Fandom hates cops out of some liberal sense of progressive bullshit?

>>92128913
They sort of... sometimes. But they redesign some characters with such odd additions and complicated details.
>That time Captain America had a million feathers on his armor
>Olivier Coipel redesigns that always seem to include circles of light from head to toe on the costumes
>Beast/ Hank McCoy ever since New X-Men

A lot of things aught to be kept simple, I think.

>>92165596
No, they are not rules of animation. They are rules of the animation industry that have been normalized because of overexposure.

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>>92165685
Sadie and Onion are the only characters that arent bitches.

Goddamn you guys are reaching BLUE ARMS levels of autism.

>>92166145
The only thing we knew is that he worked "in security". Nothing was ever said about the police.

>>92128262
Welcome to CalArts animation style.

>>92166145
When Connie was first telling Steven about her dad, she tried to play him up as a cool law enforcement officer, then quickly clarified that he was actually just security.

>>92166776
Le ebin calarts meme

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>>92166776
>>92166829

>>92166727
>waaaah anyone who criticizes my favorite show is the autistic one, not me!

>>92128859
>SUckers
Has /co/ really sunk this far?

>>92166951
Theres criticising, then theres the chris-chan levels of whining in this thread.

>>92166994
And I've done the former, the only one who's being chris-chan levels of autistic here is you and the CalArts guy.

>>92158857
He didn't cry.

>>92167101
Everything in that 2nd shot is slightly zoomed in, not just Steven. The inconsistency is real, but this is a bad example.

>>92128262
Is it really that bad or is it only really noticeable if you look closely?

>>92129071
>>92128262

Damn, the size inconsistencies in these two pics are incredible

It's still one of my favorite shows, but damn, it's really becoming obvious

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>>92167079
Oh, but Topaz will.

>>92167131
Slightly wouldnt make this much difference.

>>92128262
This has always been a thing in terms of art inconsistencies.
The earlier episodes and the Hellen Jo episodes had whack as fuck art but were consistent in height (I think-I need to look back to earlier episodes).

I think the chibi artstyle was introduced to prevent the earlier inconsistencies and it worked, but traded it in for the height inconsistencies we see now.

What find strange is why people are suddenly finding it a problem now? It's been a thing since season one but why are there multiple threads about it now?

>>92167252
>suddenly
Weve making fun of it for months.

>>92167275
And the has been going on for nearly four years.
That's my point.

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>>92167252
I actually liked the off-model faces they made in Season 1A that were god-tier reaction image material, but having Steven the 14-year-old chubby kid shrunk into lil' wee Steven the 6-year-old with gorilla arms is just ugly to look at.

Same to how Connie used to look like a 13-year-old girl with normal features, now she's bug-eyed freak whose nose extends from the top of her skull and has the body of an 8-year-old.

>>92167197
If you look at everything's relative size, it stays consistent.

>>92167342
Maybe they'll get it right in Season 5.
This seems to be more of a problem in one particular season than in the show overall.

>>92128262
I did a little bit of math here.
I counted the episodes where this inconsistency happens; about 3 or 4 episodes out of 24. The remaining 20 episodes were fairly consistent with heights.

So yes it's a glaring flaw but it was kept to a minimum of 3-4 episodes.

>>92128262
I think Colin being promoted to storyboard artist really messed up the flow of the heights; now that he's back character designs, we might see a shift to more normal consistencies later on.

>>92167101
LEAVE LAMAR ALONE!

>>92164143
nice tumblr syntax

>>92166702
Sadie is kind of a pathetic and shitty person though

>>92128304
The issue is that every time a new episode comes out you can say "oh look it's these problems again"

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>>92128342
>There must be something to account for something like this being produced by professional artists
Steven Universe doesn't have any guidelines on how characters are drawn or animated, even something basic like a height comparison chart of the characters is absent.

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>>92128748
>No floating eyebrows

>>92158648
>Was budget, laziness,execunttives?
Series degradation as usual, show's been on too long and the people workinng on it are tired and want to move on.

>>92157215
Because only good things SU has are the concepts and maybe some 25 episodes or so. People like characters and stuff so then they make better and more consistence fictions. Show lacks of good planning. That's why tv shows and sagas are the lowest form of storytelling in general, you just shouldn't come up with a big project before having all well thought.

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>>92128262
>someone saved my pic and made a thread with it

I feel flattered, I also saved this one of the next scene

I activated Windows just yesterday

>>92169737
Oh god, Steven really is an ape, his arms are longer than his arms.

By the way, thanks for providing the picture and inspiring me to make this thread, anon. Also, good on you for activating Windows.

>>92169958
>arms are longer than his legs*

Jeez Louise...

>>92165600
Go over to >>>/a/ if you want to talk about your foreign trash, this board is NOT for it.

>>92165685
>literally every single male character in this show is a coward, useless, and a little bitch
That's because the show isn't allowed to portray masculinity in a positive light. Even that douchy teen that was hitting on Stevonnie looked like some kind of Taiwanese tranny.

>>92167101
This reminded me of that scene in Bee and Puppycat where the girl's arms shrink into herself because of shoddy animation work.

>>92169336
Yeah but she'll beat the shit out of someone if need be.

>>92170161
A fat midget kicks more ass than another fat midget because she's a girl and doesn't cry as much as him, how funny is that?

>>92128878
>The show deals on relative heights

Which is why Peridot and Steven keep switching who is taller, right?

>>92128262
Why the fuck is he dressed as Super Mario

>>92170486
Oh, ok. Honestly he looks like a miniature Ron Jeremy

>>92170410
Hes Italian.

>>92129112
Jasper's whole purpose is to literally job to fusions

>>92128893
There's a difference between drawing a character slightly differently and having them grow or shrink 4 fucking feet between scenes

>>92164695
>Guys, no, it's MEANT to be shit

>>92170999
This, it doesn't really matter if it's a choice or not, it just looks bad and unprofesional

>>92171122
Thats subjective.

>everyone saying it's one or the other
There's a happy medium between "storyboarder-driven show" and "on-model/consistency" you cocksuckers.

SU leans too far in one direction nowadays is all. To the point where the characters just look ugly. It needs to be reigned in.

>>92128735
SU is on the surface, Poz'd as hell, so yeah it's primary and vocal fanbase are retards.

>>92167295
Because the earlier inconsistencies were at least tolerable. You can easily justify it as the show trying to find it's footing with a smaller budget. The whole chibification is so blatant and jarring you have to be blind to not notice. The show is supposed to get better as it goes along, not worse.

>>92165058
Post Modernism was a mistake.

>>92129006
>>92129071
That was a Zuke and Laura ep. Say what you will about Zuke, but at least she knew how to draw. The big problem is with Lamar and Katie going more and more chibi.

>>92173390
hilary and paul did I am my mom, raven and zuke did are you my dad

>>92171577
>on the surface

>>92171187
No, it really isn't. There are established laws that make cartoons believable and expressive.

>>92174097
Well, there is that one fags write up about how it unconsciously subverts the shit it's trying to prop up.

>>92174222
You're either arguing with a troll or a post modernist.

One is disagreeing for shits and giggles.
The worse one honestly believes that standards, talent, and skill are artificial definitions that need to be destroyed and cast aside.

>>92128262
you know honestly, the off model doesn't bother me as much as it should. All my brain focuses on is
>Jesus, how many Koreans have committed suicide having to shift styles so many god damned times

>>92128304
Oh look this baby again!

Gee, i wonder why people have issues with something!?

>>92128262


Oooooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhh.

>>92128861
>Lamar
>The incredible Expanding ARMS!!!!

>>92129005
>You shouldn't ever have to pick between good writing and good animation

But this cartoon has neither. Not anymore anyway.

>>92171805
You could argue that it still suffers from a small budget.

Plus, the chibification only happens in on four episodes; the boarders get their shit together in the other 20 episodes.

>>92169685
Hardly it.

>>92176985
The last bomb was pretty good.

>>92167101
>MAMA MIA, WHERE's MAH MUSHROOMS!

>>92167166
WAIT...........

AN ACTUAL MALE GEM!?

>>92128262

Looking at a lot of different screen caps of SU, I guess I take consistency in character design for granted. Some people have come to its defense by saying he has powers that lets him change is body proportion, but that's just the most deluded shit I've ever heard. Why defend something that's a glaring issue in quality?

>>92171399
>using cocksucker as an insult
Who among us DIDN'T enjoy /cock/?

>>92130015
Is that from an official Grim Adventures thing? I've never seen anything behind the scenes from that.

>>92166506
Shut the hell up, you goddamned hippy. The rules of animation are there to keep things looking appealing to viewers. This looks appealing to nobody, and the excuse that it's "making a statement" is dog shit. It looks bad, and nobody cares how "enlightened" you think you are. Get off your high horse.

>>92177311
still female

>>92164661
I don't even understand how you guys can notice this shit.

>>92169737
>I activated windows just yesterday
thank god

>>92170258
bretty much

>>92170031

>masculinity is bad meme

Sugar is only alive right now because brave men lived fought and died and sacrificed to build the world.

Fuck this bitch. I like SU but goddamn tone down the bullshit. Stop making every male character worthy of scorn bar Greg and Steven.

>>92177055
Hardly. Steven spent the whole week without a brain solely to keep the plot moving. The villains were alright, but overall one of the weaker bombs we had.

>>92140008

>Lapis with transparent dress and leotard

Oh yes,